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8/9/2009

SEIU: We Are the Victims (Updated)

Filed under: Obama,Politics — DRJ @ 2:50 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

GatewayPundit links an SEIU blog that claims its members were the victims of violence at the St. Louis townhall meeting where Kenneth Gladney was assaulted. Earlier posts on this here, here, and here.

UPDATE — A semi-related link: Blatant Astroturfing, via Hot Air. Don’t miss Leah on the C-Span video.

— DRJ

97 Responses to “SEIU: We Are the Victims (Updated)”

  1. Why not lie?

    JD (d36609)

  2. It works for their leader, BHO, doesn’t it?

    either orr (291505)

  3. You-Tube, You-Tube, You-Tube

    This next election will be a You-Tube election. I just hope Republicans are smart enough to be collecting all these and will figure out how to use them properly.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  4. […] Those poor wee thugs from SEIU claim they were the victims over at Patterico’s. […]

    Gazzer’s Gabfest » Feet, meet fire… (b98ad6)

  5. Reminds me of the old joke. “Last time I got into a fight, the guy was scared to death.”
    “Why’s that?”
    “He thought he’d killed me…”

    Gazzer (409de8)

  6. Just blame it on the angry violent racist astroturfers bought by the evil insurance lobby. Plus, the MSM ignored it anyway.

    JD (d36609)

  7. This is the administration of projection. Astroturf? Thuggery? They falsely accuse their opponents for tactics that they actually are using.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  8. Mike K-
    Glee, so they can have them removed on bumped-up claims? Same way a bunch of effective, normal anti-Obama blogs got removed last year?

    Foxfier (db0f51)

  9. I agree that someone has to preserve those videos and I hope the GOP is doing it.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  10. Janitors and cleaning ladies to control our health care debate. Sheesh!

    nk (1758de)

  11. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

    Techie (482700)

  12. I’ve updated the post with this Hot Air link. Don’t miss Leah on the C-Span video.

    DRJ (8d138b)

  13. Gadsden Flag:

    Gadsden Flag

    Gadsden Flag

    SB (206a2e)

  14. i agree with them, when they have to deal with a bunch of racist conservative/republican goons shouting racist hatred and holding up nazi signs, denying others the right to free speech and holdin a town hall hostage with their political terrorism they are the victims here. So are the idiots doing all this, because they are too stupid to see they are nothing more than tool, weilded by a bunch of facists like limbaugh and co. thank god the republicans lost the election, if thier support base is this stupid and gullible, i’d hate to see who they put in charge.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  15. All proof they are wrong will be deleted. Just who they are.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  16. god bless the democrats, hopefully they won’t be swayed by these republican terrorists.

    nitfog (cc81e5)

  17. swizzle, got all those lies out with a straight face?

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  18. your average republican has an iq of about 10. I’m pretty sure being a conservative republican is a mental illness.

    pounce (cc81e5)

  19. Cool, more trolls … or more sockpuppets.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  20. spqr x – feel free to prove anything i said was a lie. do it in your next post. we’ll be waiting, lmao

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  21. Yep, those SEIU guys should learn not to mess with those bad ass grandmas and evil high school kids. Hit ’em with the cane gramps ! But not too hard, we don’t want these victims to cry or nuthin’.

    DaveinPhoenix (8c6b07)

  22. Good lord SPQR X. Are you really this stupid?

    neftia (cc81e5)

  23. swizzle, easy. There were no nazi flags. No fascist ( learn to spell ). And the suppression of free speech is from the SEIU thugs.

    Stealing lies from Nancy Pelosi just makes you look like an idiot.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  24. so wheres the proof dipshit?

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  25. spqr_x

    1/10.

    Sloppy work, see the teacher after class.

    Techie (482700)

  26. I’m looking forward to DRJ checking out these IP’s.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  27. Janitors and cleaning ladies should stick to scrubbing toilets and not mess with peoples’ health care.

    nk (1758de)

  28. Sorry, swizzle.

    Techie (482700)

  29. LMAO, I was there and saw them, you can go to gateway pundit and they have the photos on the front page showing the nazi flags. Your entire statement is bullshit because you weren’t there in the first place. Keep dreaming little boy, but check your nose, it’s growing!

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  30. Techie, don’t be sorry for your poor behavior, it suits you just fine. Someday someone will teach you some manners but until then do what you do best, act the fool.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  31. swizzle, pounce, nitfog, neftia:

    Sockpuppeting is not allowed here. Please pick one name and stick with it or you will be banned.

    DRJ (8d138b)

  32. nk, it would be nice if someone scrubbed swizzle’s filthy mouth.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  33. Comment by swizzle — 8/9/2009 @ 6:22 pm

    Swizzle, I’m curious, is there a remote possibility in your mind that these obvious grandparents, moms and dads, and frumpy middle Americans with their homemade signs at the town halls might, just might be exactly who they present themselves to be: frustrated, angry citizens who are very afraid of what their president is proposing and the direct impact it will have on them and their families for generations to come?

    Is that even something you might consider? If you were to think it through for yourself, that is…

    Dana (57e332)

  34. drj, are you saying you’re willing to deny me my freedom of speech? you must be a republican

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  35. Gee, how did I guess?

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  36. I was apologizing to SPQR_X, for accidentally typing in his name instead of you, you twit.

    Techie (482700)

  37. swizzle,

    I believe in rules. Does that make me a Republican in your eyes?

    DRJ (8d138b)

  38. I was there !!!! Looks like another troll infestation.

    They have been proving JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls and the 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls beyond a shadow of a doubt. Good Allah.

    Swizzle has sock-puppeted here before, and “argues” like a drunk 3rd grader on crack.

    JD (c86804)

  39. drj, are you saying you’re willing to deny me my freedom of speech? you must be a republican

    And you’re a laughable twit, you must be a jackass.

    Techie (482700)

  40. Gateway Pundit? Gee, swizzle sure is incoherent.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  41. Dana, when you cannot convese like an adult and must hold up signs with nazi propaganda on them, when you have to hurl racial insults at the president, and those you argue with to try and prove your point and use deciet and lies to get others to follow your lead, and when you are doing all this at the behest of someone else, say limbaugh, then it’s a false representation you are putting on, it’s a show, a spectacle. Those ‘frumpy grandparents’ you are talking about don’t know the facts, they are being led by liars.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  42. Techie, SPQR X, your posts are nothing more than troll responses, funny how you just accused me of the same, such hypocrisy.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  43. Swizzle claims that Gateway Pundit has pictures of nazi signs on his blog. I guess swizzle missed when Gateway Pundit wrote: “This past week Pelosi compared Tea Party taxpayers to Nazis and slandered these ordinary Americans saying they were carrying swastikas at their rallies.

    Caught again at lying, swizzle.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  44. swizzle, why do you keep repeating the lies? Does this kind of stuff convince people in your crowd?

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  45. lmao, it seems i’ve gathered quite the following of trolls with my responses. one even has gone as far as making up rules about them, perhaps that guy should log off and catch some fresh air. Perhaps one of you trolls would actually care to show me where in the new health care plan that this is going to impact your generations to come?

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  46. Swizzle lying troll – When you were there, were you packing your one-hitter when the SEIU jumped someone and beat him, sending him to the hospital?

    JD (c86804)

  47. you didn’t catch me lying be cause the white woman with the black hair holding up the nazi sigh is on the front page. limbaugh himself has compared the democrats and obama to nazis, he did it yesterday. now don’t tell me an astute chump like yourself dosen’t circle jerk with the rest of the klan when he’s on the radio.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  48. not at all jd, i don’t believe in violence. however, you can go to fox news and read about the death threats and threats of violence by the tea baggers, it’s all there in black and white. who’s a liar now?

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  49. swizzle, when Nancy Pelosi compared George Bush to Hitler, you thought that was fine. So we see more examples of your hypocrisy.

    But you still are just making stuff up.

    Meanwhile, Mark Steyn nails it.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  50. The Left has compared the Republicans to Nazi’s for years, and Pelosi did so just this week, without a scintilla of evidence. When people respond, it is then beyond the pale. This swizzle-stick is a cowardly deceitful liar, and as we all know, it will just keep repeating the same lies, and will escalate.

    JD (c86804)

  51. 1/10.

    You’re trying too hard. You’ve got to capitalize to start with. Next, you’ve moved the Nazi and Rush Limbaugh cards too early, you have to save them for later in battle. Early posts should question the intelligence and sexual virility of the site regulars.

    And, really, the “No, John you are the Zombie. And then John was the zombie” gambit? Bold move, but leaves numerous openings.

    You have much to learn about troll, young Axeltool.

    Techie (482700)

  52. swizzle, are you claiming that the Gadsden flag is a “nazi sign” ? Is that your claim?

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  53. [QUOTE]He proceeded to scream (literally scream) at Rep. Dingell, telling him that, under this new legislation, his son with cerebral palsy would be euthanized. Although Rep. Dingell assured him that this was certainly not the case, the man became more and more incensed, egged on by the crowd behind him. Dingell staffers were finally forced to move forward to ensure the man did not threaten Rep. Dingell. [/QUOTE]

    This is a transcript from fox news, you can go read it yourself. Now show me anywhere in the current health care plan that speaks of euthanasia. Any of one you idiots should be able to back up the shit you talk about so get to work.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  54. oh good lord techie, when you have to talk about spelling mistakes you’ve run out of things to talk about. go take a break and logg off.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  55. no spqrx, i understand the difference between the gadsden flag (i have one myself) and a symbol of nazi propaganda. if you wish, I’d be happy to forward you the link to where it is so you can see what I’m talking about.

    swizzle (cc81e5)

  56. Swizzle – If you were there, how did you miss the SEIU thugs beating up an innocent black man?

    I am sending a copy of this comment thread to flag@whitehouse.gov and swizzle should be getting its gold star soon.

    JD (c86804)

  57. What’s there to talk about?

    We’re all Nazis and racist horrible Klan members. You’re a righteous beacon of hope and change.

    Obviously, we’re at an impasse.

    Why are you here? Do you often frequent Stormfront?

    Techie (482700)

  58. You are just making up crap, swizzle. Typical of trolls like yourself. Repeating Democrat lies that you don’t even understand.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  59. As Teh One’s policies and polls continue to tank, we can only expect more of this nonsense.

    I guess this is the national debate that the Left keeps yammering about.

    JD (c86804)

  60. Techie, it would be funny if swizzle was actually one of Jennifer Lynch’s CRC clowns, would it?

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  61. Swizzle has trolled/sock-puppetted here in the past. Predictable result.

    JD (c86804)

  62. “swizzle, pounce, nitfog, neftia:”

    I suppose with all these names, that’s four more votes for the Dims come election day.

    And swizzle, I happen to be a “frumpy grandparent” and I resent you saying I don’t know the facts. That appears to be the problem; we know too many facts and the O brigade doesn’t like it.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  63. [QUOTE]A woman protesting Democratic plans for health care reform was captured holding up a sign of a Swastika, with the president’s name below it, encircled and crossed out by a red line. The implication is that Obama is a Nazi–though the culprit, in this case, added a question mark next to his name, as some sort of caveat.[/QUOTE]
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574336462379328406.html
    You see how easy this is? All I have to do is ask you to prove one thing that you claim is true, and you cannot. Instead you try to deflect it with more bombastic nonsense. Now, please provide me with something that shows where in the health care bill that speaks of euthanasia and the elderly. I’ve given you a credible link to a credible sight that confirms what I said about the nazi sign, you can continue to deny it all you with but the proof is there. Now it’s your turn to back up you words, give me the link i requested.

    swizzle (289962)

  64. Swizzle,

    Here’s the link again: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

    There is no Nazi propoganda (the left must stop this Godwin desperation. It makes you look foolish).

    There are no racial insults being hurled toward the president – there is however a black man the victim of an attack by union members. Doesn’t that upset you to know that those on the left are beating up an innocent man because he dares to express an opinion different than theirs? Do you believe it’s okay for him to be piled on like this? I wish you would denounce this instead of possibly giving tacit approval by your silence. You feel free to attack and disparage the moms and pops out on the streets with their signs, but an act of violence is okay? So please, let us know you are disgusted by the behavior shown toward Mr. Gladney.

    And of course you realize that the level of frustration at our president has nothing to do with his color, it has to do with his lack of being honest with the public and his inability to even believe (due to his own pride/arrogance perhaps) that his health care plan may do great serious harm to our country. It is you and those on the left who, just like with Pelosi’s Godwin maneuver, are forced to make this a racial issue because you’ve just got no footing left. The cat is out of the bag. We can all clearly see it. So can you.

    Swizzle, these people are not putting on a show. These are not people who seek the limelight or fame of any kind. Rather they are finally daring to do what the left does so well: they are expressing themselves with loud voices, home made signs, determination, fearlessness and a boldness new to many of them. Why do you object to their willingness to fight for a cause just as the left is willing to do?

    Isn’t this the America you want?

    Dana (57e332)

  65. jd, you shouldn’t talk of debate, you’ve yet to progress past the level of troll.

    swizzle (289962)

  66. swizzle, you got caught using sock puppets to put words in the mouths of your invisible friends. You’ve already established who the troll is. You.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  67. Oh, this one is fun.

    Techie (482700)

  68. Dana, if you refuse to believe what I’ve told you then it’s clear you’ve never been to a town hall meeting, I have and have seen it for myself. Go see for yourself, don’t take my word for it. Check out the link I’ve provided to see what I’m talking about with the nazi propaganda. As for those genuinely concerned, they should really ask questions, not just shout down anyone and shout insults, racisim, and generally cause trouble, this is counter productive. unless that is your goal.

    swizzle (289962)

  69. Notice that swizzle’s first claim was that there were nazis at the rallies.

    He wrote: “a bunch of racist conservative/republican goons shouting racist hatred and holding up nazi signs

    Swizzle liked the idea that he could call protestors of Obama’s healthcare plan racists and nazis.

    But it turns out that swizzle is misrepresenting what went on. Instead, a protestor compared Democrats’ policies to nazi policies. That’s free speech, not racism.

    And its a favorite Democrat tactics that swizzle objects to – as we expect a dishonest, hypocritical troll to do.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  70. Swizzle,

    Let’s post the rest of your WSJ link, shall we? It’s a rather insightful point,

    So was Nancy Pelosi right? Not a chance.

    Let’s review her words again: “I think they’re AstroTurf. You be the judge. They’re carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care.” Who carries swastikas? Nazis. Pelosi did not complain that the protesters were comparing ObamaCare to Nazism; she insinuated that they are Nazis.

    The most charitable thing that can be said about the speaker’s comment is that it was no better than the speech she was criticizing. She likened her political opponents to Nazis, just as a handful of them had done to their opponents.

    But it is one thing for a citizen to say vile things about an elected official, quite something else for an elected official to say vile things about a citizen. As speaker of the House, Pelosi is not only the representative of her San Francisco constituents but a leader of her party and the leader of a branch of the federal government.

    It is despicable for someone in her position to liken private citizens to Nazis. Nancy Pelosi owes America an apology.

    Dana (57e332)

  71. swizzle, you are simply lying. There is no “nazi propaganda” – that would be signs that celebrated nazism.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  72. Swizzle – If you were there, which we all know is an aggressive lie but I will play along, how did you miss the SEIU thugs assaulting a black man?

    What does race have to do with this, other than the standard Leftist dishonest tactics.

    JD (c86804)

  73. Swizzle is a she, I think. I saw her today trying to get through the subway turnstile. 300 pounds, 150 of it in her ass. And a bucket of popcorn from which she was constantly stuffing her face as she was trying to squeeze through.

    nk (2158da)

  74. it’s clear you’ve never been to a town hall meeting, I have and have seen it for myself.

    No you haven’t. Like most leftists, you are a lying waste of carbon molecules and not to be trusted on any statement you make.

    As for those genuinely concerned, they should really ask questions, not just shout down anyone and shout insults, racisim, and generally cause trouble, this is counter productive.

    Get bent. You and your scum buddies on the left have been using these tactics for 80 years (most notably during the last 8), so you’re hardly in a position to be lecturing anyone on proper debate decorum. Teleprompter Obumbles had to call out the SEIU goon squads to try and shut these people up, because despite a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a clear majority in the House, his healthcare bill is in danger of being killed outright or so watered down it will be nothing but an inefficient, worthless mess.

    Your side lost all credibility on this debate when the President, Pelosi, Reid, and every other Democrat didn’t stand up from the beginning and say, “This plan will work so well, and will save the taxpayers so much money, that EVERY government official, from the President on down to the GS-4 stamping tickets at the entrance to Yellowstone, will be required to be on this plan.” Why should anyone swallow the food that the cook won’t eat themselves?

    Another Chris (a3bb8f)

  75. swizzle…did you complain about all these??? [object]????

    No, you didn’t did you???

    reff (ee9f7a)

  76. RACISTS !!!!eleventy1

    JD (c86804)

  77. Swizzle, perhaps you missed this at #63,

    There are no racial insults being hurled toward the president – there is however a black man the victim of an attack by union members. Doesn’t that upset you to know that those on the left are beating up an innocent man because he dares to express an opinion different than theirs? Do you believe it’s okay for him to be piled on like this? I wish you would denounce this instead of possibly giving tacit approval by your silence. You feel free to attack and disparage the moms and pops out on the streets with their signs, but an act of violence is okay? So please, let us know you are disgusted by the behavior shown toward Mr. Gladney.

    Dana (57e332)

  78. F*CKIN’ NAZIS !!!!!

    JD (c86804)

  79. The troll infestation will continue until the health bills are defeated. Remember the community organizer in chief said “Get in their faces.” And here they are.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  80. when you cannot convese like an adult and must hold up signs with nazi propaganda on them

    Post one link to a picture the supports your claim, or I shall have to make a request of DRJ.

    Comment by swizzle — 8/9/2009 @ 6:59 pm

    The poster you suggests proves we are Nazis is, in fact, a statement meaning “i don’t want Nazis”. Thus the line through the swastika.

    And if it is your contention that comparing the president to a Nazi is wrong, then please say so.

    Because if that is indeed your argument, I believe I will end up having a great deal of fun at your expense.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  81. swizzle,

    I believe in rules. Does that make me a Republican in your eyes?

    Comment by DRJ — 8/9/2009 @ 6:35 pm

    Probably makes you a Nazi, going off of what s/he/it says otherwise…..

    Foxfier (db0f51)

  82. I should clarify…

    “Nazi Propaganda” is pro-Nazi. What swizzle seems to dislike is the use of “anti-Nazi propaganda”.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  83. See how easy it was to show you were dishonest, swizzle? And all we had to do was use your words and your links.

    SPQR X (26be8b)

  84. Nope, Scott. This troll just wants to, you know, troll.

    Eric Blair (0bb481)

  85. One last thing…

    drj, are you saying you’re willing to deny me my freedom of speech?

    And you must be a blithering idiot.

    You don’t have a right to free speech here. This blog is not the government, and you are allowed to post here due to the largess of both Patterico (who pays for the server and bandwidth the Blog utilizes) and DRJ (who saw fit to warn you when your sock-puppetry posts were blatantly offensive and deserving of placing you in moderation at best right there, on the spot).

    You will do well to speak to her with a civil tongue. People around here are fairly protective of her, since she is far too civil to the like of you than is likely healthy.

    Be. More. Polite.

    Or. Be. Elsewhere.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  86. NOTE: I found reff’s comment to swizzle (#75) in the filter. It probably went there because of the link.

    DRJ (8d138b)

  87. #75 – Oh and what a comment it is!

    Swizzle? Swizzle?

    Where’d you go to????

    Dana (57e332)

  88. Where is Obama’s outrage at a conservative black man being ruffled up and called derogative names? Why doesn’t the MSM ask Obama that question and we’ll see how he answers. Maybe he will hold another beer social to pacify the antagonists. A weekly happy hour could be held in the Rose Garden to ease racial tensions. What about the woman, I believe in Indiana having her camera smashed into her face while filming A Town Hall meeting? It seems the White House occupant entertains selective outrage. Are they going to let us old folks die naturally by withholding medicine or will we be routinely euthanized?
    It doesn’t matter to me as death is an eventuality from which there is not any escape. There is however a sickening feeling that overcomes me when I realize it is not a life that will be terminated but the dignity of that life will be terminated by callously judging that person to be worthless. Of course those who propose valuing one life over another will one day be old too. That might change their mind about allowing old folks to just fade away.

    native son (b5ee80)

  89. I just wanted to say that the old folk protesting today about Obama care were young folk back in the 60s.

    They know something about protesting against the government.

    And as wiser people now, they know something about the long run.

    It’s too bad that the Demo leadership really doesn’t understand the lessons of the 60s. They really seem to be reverting to the Daley doctrine.

    Ag80 (b9af5d)

  90. I was young in the 60s and remember many protests. I never took part as I was too busy working to support myself. Living in my parent’s basement was not an option.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  91. Swizzle disappeared shortly after I noted that I had forwarded its comments to flag@whitehouse.gov. Coincidence?

    JD (f8b50e)

  92. But it turns out that swizzle is misrepresenting what went on. Instead, a protestor compared Democrats’ policies to nazi policies. That’s free speech, not racism.

    LOL. He (or she) apparently was trying to turn a group of protestors voicing opposition to leftist policymaking into a band of ultra-rightwing Socialists—-which is what Nazi Germany was all about (BTW, and in the category of irony of ironies, Hitler was a vegan who endorsed the concept of animals rights).

    Swizzle undoubtedly is too foolish to see the irony (another one!) of accusing almost any opponent of Barack Obama, who embraced a loudmouth extremist like Jeremiah Wright for years and years, of being a flamethrower.

    Mark (411533)

  93. This “swizzle” is a blithering idiot, to the point of painful. And for some reason feels it necessary to inflict some of that pain on the rest of us.

    EW1(SG) X (edc268)

  94. JD, you probably reported the White House to the White House.

    PCD (02f8c1)

  95. The country is on the brink of a financial crisis, and the president is worried about grandma and grandpa showing up at townhall meetings. Pathetic!

    rochf (ae9c58)

  96. When the left astroturfs they call it “community organizing.”

    When the right community organizes the left calls it “astroturfing.”

    Project much?

    jeff (cca64f)

  97. Quit poking posters like swizzle with a stick (no pun intended) – it just encourages them… it IS kinda fun though, I must admit,…

    And I do kinda like the idea of reporting the White House to the White House, but since it’s 4am here, my judgment could be skewed :)

    the Virginian (0635b6)


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