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	<title>Comments on: Jack Dunphy on Racial Profiling</title>
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		<title>By: Vulture</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/26/jack-dunphy-on-racial-profiling/comment-page-1/#comment-526421</link>
		<dc:creator>Vulture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...let me get this straight.  If, for ANY reason, the police decide to pull me aside and question me, whether their rationale is valid or whether it&#039;s simply harassment, I&#039;m just supposed to bend over and take it?

&quot;Papers please.  We are &lt;i&gt;Der Staat&lt;/i&gt;.  Acquiesce to the wishes of the &lt;i&gt;Schutzstaffel&lt;/i&gt;, or face the consequences.&quot;  

Whatever happened to the Constitution?  Those of you defending the arrest of individuals for the non-crime of &quot;failing to obey a lawful order&quot; are simply parroting right-wing political correctness.  Our founders would have NEVER stood still for such treatment!

And, no I&#039;m not a Lefty bed-wetter, I&#039;m a libertarian wondering how in the world &quot;conservative&quot; Americans can support police state policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;let me get this straight.  If, for ANY reason, the police decide to pull me aside and question me, whether their rationale is valid or whether it&#8217;s simply harassment, I&#8217;m just supposed to bend over and take it?</p>
<p>&#8220;Papers please.  We are <i>Der Staat</i>.  Acquiesce to the wishes of the <i>Schutzstaffel</i>, or face the consequences.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Whatever happened to the Constitution?  Those of you defending the arrest of individuals for the non-crime of &#8220;failing to obey a lawful order&#8221; are simply parroting right-wing political correctness.  Our founders would have NEVER stood still for such treatment!</p>
<p>And, no I&#8217;m not a Lefty bed-wetter, I&#8217;m a libertarian wondering how in the world &#8220;conservative&#8221; Americans can support police state policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the police may shoot you whether you assert your rights or not.  Look what happened to this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

It is an unfortunate fact that through bad judgment or bad luck, police occasionally execute people.  This is way beyond &quot;stupid&quot;, but inappropriate use of force, should never dissuade one from asserting one&#039;s rights.  If that were the case, we would still be living in a monarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the police may shoot you whether you assert your rights or not.  Look what happened to this guy:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant</a></p>
<p>It is an unfortunate fact that through bad judgment or bad luck, police occasionally execute people.  This is way beyond &#8220;stupid&#8221;, but inappropriate use of force, should never dissuade one from asserting one&#8217;s rights.  If that were the case, we would still be living in a monarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Radley Balko, Brian Doherty, and an L.A. Times Editor Distort Posting by Jack Dunphy</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/26/jack-dunphy-on-racial-profiling/comment-page-1/#comment-525476</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Radley Balko, Brian Doherty, and an L.A. Times Editor Distort Posting by Jack Dunphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jack actually said &#8212; which will make the distortion of his words plain to see. In a passage I quoted with approval the other day, Jack said: So, since the president is keen on offering instruction, here is what I would advise he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jack actually said &#8212; which will make the distortion of his words plain to see. In a passage I quoted with approval the other day, Jack said: So, since the president is keen on offering instruction, here is what I would advise he [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24

N:

I am not fighting with anyone but the trolls who like to fling feeces like Stassie.   I can understand hi obvious lack of self esteem and his need to boast his ego by resorting to drive by insults.  His continuation only demonstrates his infantilism.  When he ceases his odious behavior I am very content to ignore him as most others here do.</description>
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<p>I am not fighting with anyone but the trolls who like to fling feeces like Stassie.   I can understand hi obvious lack of self esteem and his need to boast his ego by resorting to drive by insults.  His continuation only demonstrates his infantilism.  When he ceases his odious behavior I am very content to ignore him as most others here do.</p>
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		<title>By: JEA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen anyone mention this, so I will. Gates said he asked the driverto help him force his door. If I see one person trying to force a front door, the thought might occur that they live there and their door is stuck. 

But if I see &lt;i&gt;two &lt;/i&gt;people trying to force a door, unless I know them both I immediately pick up the phone to call the cops. 

For a supposedly smart guy, Gates seems to lack common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anyone mention this, so I will. Gates said he asked the driverto help him force his door. If I see one person trying to force a front door, the thought might occur that they live there and their door is stuck. </p>
<p>But if I see <i>two </i>people trying to force a door, unless I know them both I immediately pick up the phone to call the cops. </p>
<p>For a supposedly smart guy, Gates seems to lack common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Resurrecting an Old Column: Trouble in the Ivy League</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Resurrecting an Old Column: Trouble in the Ivy League</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an earlier post, our host graciously linked to two columns I wrote back in my salad days at NRO. I recalled [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Dunphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Dunphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeadGuy (#5): You failed the reading comprehension test as you didn’t note the conditional clause in the sentence you quoted.  And for that matter, you failed to grasp the meaning of the entire post, so I’ll explain it in terms perhaps even you can understand.  

If a police officer stops you in the reasonable – even if mistaken – belief that you have committed a crime, the officer is authorized, under statute and abundant case law (see &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://supreme.justia.com/us/490/386/case.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Graham v. Connor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, for example), to use reasonable force, including deadly force if necessary, in order to effect an arrest, overcome resistance, or prevent escape.  Protest if you must, but be prepared for the consequences.

The “no-knock” warrant scenario you portray involves an entirely different set of circumstances, and I happen to agree with you that they are unwise and unsafe.  In fact, here in California no such warrants are authorized.  The death of  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kathryn Johnston&lt;/a&gt; was indeed a travesty, and you won’t hear me defend the cops responsible for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeadGuy (#5): You failed the reading comprehension test as you didn’t note the conditional clause in the sentence you quoted.  And for that matter, you failed to grasp the meaning of the entire post, so I’ll explain it in terms perhaps even you can understand.  </p>
<p>If a police officer stops you in the reasonable – even if mistaken – belief that you have committed a crime, the officer is authorized, under statute and abundant case law (see <i><a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/490/386/case.html" rel="nofollow">Graham v. Connor</a></i>, for example), to use reasonable force, including deadly force if necessary, in order to effect an arrest, overcome resistance, or prevent escape.  Protest if you must, but be prepared for the consequences.</p>
<p>The “no-knock” warrant scenario you portray involves an entirely different set of circumstances, and I happen to agree with you that they are unwise and unsafe.  In fact, here in California no such warrants are authorized.  The death of  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston" rel="nofollow">Kathryn Johnston</a> was indeed a travesty, and you won’t hear me defend the cops responsible for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more important question, Mark, is how the MSM would deal with that change in policial allegiance that you describe!

My guess is that out-in-front racism would become fashionable on the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more important question, Mark, is how the MSM would deal with that change in policial allegiance that you describe!</p>
<p>My guess is that out-in-front racism would become fashionable on the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Along that line, Juan Williams on Fox this morning commented on the statistic that ONLY 72% of blacks approved of Obama’s comments last week. This is a group that has 88% approval on everything else. Comment by Mike K &lt;/i&gt;

Only?! Well, I guess when one poll awhile back revealed that something like 95% of black people in America disapproved of George Bush, 75%, by contrast, can be labeled as &quot;only.&quot; As for that 88%, I bet in reality it&#039;s a bit higher.

The lack of ideological diversity in the African-American community is grotesque, pathetic and self-paralyzing. 

I&#039;ve often mused what much of the black populace of the US would be like today if it were instantly transformed from predominantly &quot;lefty&quot; (opposition to same-sex marriage notwithstanding) to predominantly conservative, or even centrist. The common sense that would suddenly start washing over that part of American life would be like an epiphany, and I bet various social and economic weaknesses that have long plagued a high percentage of black America would start to melt away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Along that line, Juan Williams on Fox this morning commented on the statistic that ONLY 72% of blacks approved of Obama’s comments last week. This is a group that has 88% approval on everything else. Comment by Mike K </i></p>
<p>Only?! Well, I guess when one poll awhile back revealed that something like 95% of black people in America disapproved of George Bush, 75%, by contrast, can be labeled as &#8220;only.&#8221; As for that 88%, I bet in reality it&#8217;s a bit higher.</p>
<p>The lack of ideological diversity in the African-American community is grotesque, pathetic and self-paralyzing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often mused what much of the black populace of the US would be like today if it were instantly transformed from predominantly &#8220;lefty&#8221; (opposition to same-sex marriage notwithstanding) to predominantly conservative, or even centrist. The common sense that would suddenly start washing over that part of American life would be like an epiphany, and I bet various social and economic weaknesses that have long plagued a high percentage of black America would start to melt away.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DCSCA, &lt;a href=&quot;http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-a-m.html#letterH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA, <a href="http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-a-m.html#letterH" rel="nofollow">go here</a>.</p>
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