[Guest post by Jack Dunphy]
As is most often the case, our host and I are on the same page, in this instance literally as well as figuratively. My thoughts can be found here, at the Corner on National Review Online.
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When Crowley made the reasonable and tactically sound request for Gates to step out onto the porch, Gates, by his own account, refused to do so. “I knew he wasn’t canvassing for the police benevolent association,” Gates told a reporter from The Root. “All the hairs stood up on the back of my neck, and I realized that I was in danger. And I said to him no, out of instinct. I said, ‘No, I will not.’” Thus the stage was set for a test of wills, one that ultimately saw Gates arrested and carted off to the jug for a few hours.
But he did. And called him all kinds of names. And he did not lock his door and called 911 for a supervisor.
Lying little prominent Harvard professor. And, yes, it’s a “code-word”.
nk (caf4a2) — 7/24/2009 @ 1:07 pmJack you say he (Gates) will be dining out on this incident for months, if not years, to come.
Maybe he ought to dine out as part of a trio–Gates, Al Sharpton and Tawana Bradley.
I wonder if Sharpton has yet paid off that libel judgement that the prosecutor won from him?
Mike Myers (674050) — 7/24/2009 @ 1:18 pmFor a “constitutional law professor”, Obama’s statements were incredibly dense. But considering that his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel thinks it’s a good idea to send a political foe a dead fish, what do you expect?
rochf (ae9c58) — 7/24/2009 @ 1:23 pmwe can look forward to, as we experienced during the Duke non-rape case, one of those prolonged periods of “dialogue on race,” to be accompanied by all the usual navel-gazing and hand-wringing. After all of which nothing much will have changed.
Interesting. To facilitate a dialogue on race just now the dirty socialist media would have to take its eye off the dirty socialist health care ball. NPR for sure won’t do that. I’m not sure who will really.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/24/2009 @ 1:23 pmIt would be defying orders.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/24/2009 @ 1:31 pmObama is now backing away from this story. I suspect he knows it hurt him badly with the vast majority of the white population, including Hispanics who are not known as cheerleaders for black victimology.
Members of the Cambridge police union and representatives of other local area police unions, joined by Sgt. James Crowley, called on Obama Friday to apologize for saying officers “acted stupidly” for arresting black Harvard scholar and Obama friend Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home after a report of a break-in and ensuing disturbance when officers asked Gates for identification.
Obama called Crowley shortly after the officers’ press conference, around 2:15 p.m., according to White House spokesman Robert Gibbs.
Obama said the five-minute conversation confirmed that Crowley is a good man and that the sergeant and the professor are “two decent people,” though he still believes that Crowley and Gates both overreacted. The president further said that he contributed to the “ratcheting up” of the story.
MIke K (2cf494) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:00 pmGlad you linked it! Thought about linking it when I read it, but was not sure about the protocol.
Karl (9423c8) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:03 pmHeres a flash… I agree,.,.Obama should have kept his mouth shut..
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:06 pm@8
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:18 pmYes. He is homophobic, misogynist, dog-hating, racist! The cat is finally out of the bag, Mr President. 🙂
Obama overreacted and should have kept quiet on the subject but because his friend was involved and because he is aware of how black folks have been treated in the past he reacted emotionally.. that was wrong and I will admit it..with a degree of understanding. Obama is only a man,,not God and he does make mistakes. But the sad fact is that this incident in which no one was killed and no real harm done has been a rallying cry for racists like Rush Limbaugh to spread their poisonous and divisive hatemongering and that is has diverted our attention from the serious problem of health care reform..yet to that degree I wish he had put a sock in his mouth.. OK? Happy that I have criticized Obama??
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:25 pmExcellent article, Jack Dunphy. I look forward to reading your articles and posts.
DRJ (6f3f43) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:25 pmVEV thinks the racist in this event is Rush?
that’s neat! I think it was Obama and Gates. I don’t think the arrest is the problem, I think it’s the hate in Obama’s heart. He did attend a race supremacy church for 20 years… no surprise his friends are crazy bigots.
Does Obama have any normal friends?
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:32 pmOK? Happy that I have criticized Obama??
Comment by VietnamEraVet — 7/24/2009 @ 2:25 pm
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:35 pmNo. Not until you call him what he really is. A socialist, racist, Amerikkka-hating, dog-molesting, homophobic, misogynist, flip-flopper. Until I see you man up and call him what he is, you have not criticized Barack Hussein Obama! 🙂
The better question is does he have any real friends at all? We’ve heard scant details about his friends in HS, college or even Harvard. Something creepy about that.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:36 pmJuan..
Rush played a song “Barrack the Magic Negro” on his show..Tell me that is not racist??
and JUAN do you care to know how many people have talked to me ,,a white male,,about the Spicks that are violent ignorant grease balls?? …. cucaracha loving taco benders who ought to be either deported or shot? And you side with them? One told me that the Democrats should never have nominated a Nigger for President. and that Spanish is the language of third world scum..
Obama is not perfect.. He is a man,,just a man..trying his best to save this country..
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:46 pmEmperor you are a hateful ignorant XXXX just like the Taliban and the Nazis who preyed on fear and hate..I wish people like you would leave this country forever. Put on your sheet and claim God is on your side as you spread hate and lies. You referred to Obama and said of him A socialist, racist, Amerikkka-hating, dog-molesting, homophobic, misogynist, flip-flopper.
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:57 pmYou disgust me, and as well as any decent people with your hateful remarks.. Too bad you missed your time.. Germany 1935.. Gewt used to it KKK A black man in President! hard for a bigot like you to accept ..hard for you even to admit to yourself your own bigotry and ignorance…
Rush played a song “Barrack the Magic Negro”
Which was based on an article written in the LA Times by David Ehrenstein, a black and very liberal writer based in LA. You ignorant git.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/24/2009 @ 2:59 pmI agree with most of what you wrote in the Corner article.
However, you appear to have ignored one critical issue.
Why was Gates arrested?
Up to the point of the arrest, Crowley acted reasonably and Gates was a jerk. Once he determined Gates lived there, he should have walked away.
Cops have a tough job, but talking rudely or loudly to a cop is not a crime. It appears that Crowley arrested Gates to put him in his place. Not because he was black, but because he was a “civilian”.
Bruce (8b88f2) — 7/24/2009 @ 3:02 pmComment by VietnamEraVet — 7/24/2009 @ 2:57 pm
The Emperor (1b037c) — 7/24/2009 @ 3:03 pmROTFLMAO!!!!!!
looks like temperatures are running high in the wake of Barack Obama’s racially divisive remarks
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/24/2009 @ 4:36 pmI have said and I will say again Obama was wrong..should have kept his mouth shut..Gates and Crowley..and Obama all three overreacted..to a very emotional situation..but its clear the Rush Limbaughs and others of this world want to make the most of this incident to stoke the fires of racial hated and hatred of the President who they have already accused of being a secret Muslim, hating the USA, being foreign born, wishing for the US destruction, palling around with terrorists, undermining US security, lying, instituting Marxism and more. They intend to score political points over this fuck up and they dont care how much damage is done to this nation as a result.. and you can bet on this!!
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 5:32 pmDmac I get it. after reading your post on Barack the Magic Negro… I now understand,,.Rush was actually praising Obama with that song!!!??? It was not intended as racial ridicule at all but merely Rush’s way of praising a black man who had accomplished so much!!! and not intended as ridicule at all..
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 6:00 pmGuess Rush supports Obama and I am so blind not to have seen that!!
“I agree with most of what you wrote in the Corner article.
However, you appear to have ignored one critical issue.
Why was Gates arrested? ”
A lot of the commentary seems to be about justifying the arrest on terms other than a violation of the law, but more along the lines of who acted like a jerk. That’s why its so important to spend time discussing things about who was prejudiced and whatnot.
imdw (f41ee5) — 7/24/2009 @ 6:01 pmDmac forgive me for not realizing Rush was actually praising Obama.with the song Barack the Magic Negro!!!! Thanks for enlightening me!!But doesn’t this mean Rush is supporting terrorist loving Marixists that hate America??
VietnamEraVet (8918ab) — 7/24/2009 @ 6:04 pmVeV had about 12 seconds of lucidity there.
Still waiting for imdw’s …
JD (584916) — 7/24/2009 @ 6:17 pmEmperor, you mean reciting random non-sequitors and charges of RACISM!!! along with the odd random Rush Limbaugh reference is not an effective debate strategy? Wow, learn something new every day.
Sean P (4e8ea3) — 7/24/2009 @ 7:23 pm#23
I just wondered are you really a vet. I mean when did you serve and in what unit. I was in Nam and served in II and III Corps. What was your MOS and rank?
Thomas Jackson (8ffd46) — 7/24/2009 @ 8:51 pmVEV claims that he served in the Phillipines during the years of the Vietnam War. Make of that what you will.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/25/2009 @ 7:20 am“VEV claims that he served in the Phillipines during the years of the Vietnam War. ”
He does say vietnam ERA vet.
imdw (e20863) — 7/25/2009 @ 7:37 amSo much for being the first post-racial post-partisan President.
JD (3d1db9) — 7/25/2009 @ 7:43 amHere’s what we should make of it: that he served honorably, and we should thank him for his service to the country.
That said, VEV is a wild-eyed ranting buffoon who wouldn’t know a valid argument if it bit him on his hindquarters.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 7:57 amThat’s the underlying problem I have with his postings here, Steverino. I’ve never met nor heard of a veteran who announces his past service record with every single utterance he makes. Of course we should thank him for his service – but I find his behavior more than passing strange, considering his background.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/25/2009 @ 1:28 pmDmac is right. Every single veteran should be as conservative as he is, if not conservativer.
Seattle Slew (4dff28) — 7/25/2009 @ 1:32 pmSlew,
Did you get tired of having your butt handed to you while trolling Ace’s and decide to come here? Or just branching out?
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 7/25/2009 @ 1:37 pmThe way I figure, Dmac, VEV just carries a chip on his shoulder for whatever reason. But I won’t make a comment even remotely disparaging about his service. There’s just so much else there to disparage, anyway.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 1:59 pmStashiu – This one is particularly vile, no?
JD (55b145) — 7/25/2009 @ 2:00 pmWhy was Gates arrested? ”
….
Comment by imdw — 7/24/2009 @ 6:01 pm
The standard for arrest is very low. Say on a standard of 99 for a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt, for arrest it’s 25. The sergeant saw a weird situation. He had to decide “Do I just walk away and let this little creep do what God only knows he will do after I leave?” I think he made the right decision, within his lawful discretion, to protect the public peace and let his superior officers, or a prosecutor on call, determine whether to take the case to a judge.
nk (07e440) — 7/25/2009 @ 2:08 pmNot particularly vile, but from what I recall of him, particularly stupid.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 7/25/2009 @ 2:16 pm“The standard for arrest is very low”
What’s legally required is probable cause. ANd a cop willing to arrest.
imdw (5d4ed6) — 7/25/2009 @ 2:56 pmimdw – You just chose to ignore all of the discussions about probable cause, didn’t you? Never mind.
JD (55b145) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:02 pmI guess the laws don’t really matter much to the conservatives, imdw. It is the principle that matters, the principle that the white man has been down and out and kicked around for too long, and the GOP is trying to change that. Or so they seem to think.
Seattle Slew (4dff28) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:03 pmThe bone-jarring glorious f*ck-headed stoopidity is strong in this one.
JD (55b145) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:09 pmI am not sure if you should be making fun of me with these amazingly intelligently written little jibs of yours, or seriously contemplating the serious implications of your ridiculous viewpoints, JD.
Seattle Slew (4dff28) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:17 pmimdw and Seattle Slew: I know that nk is a lawyer. He’s said repeatedly that Sgt. Crowley did the right thing and acted within the law.
Do you dispute that? On what legal basis do you form your dispute?
What do you make of the fact that the entire Cambridge PD has backed Sgt. Crowley?
If you think that Sgt. Crowley was wrong in arresting Prof. Gates, do you think that it necessarily because of racism? How likely do you think it would because of some other reason?
If you’ll answer those questions for me, I’ll be happy to debate you politely.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:33 pmSurely there is a better troll out there. This one is pathetic. Like alphie, but full of hate hate hate.
JD (55b145) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:33 pmI don’t think I want to have a discussion about race with people like you. Invariably, people as conservative as you seem to be don’t really get that a lot of the things you write, post, or say is dripping with it, even when it is irrefutably pointed out to you.
Seattle Slew (4dff28) — 7/25/2009 @ 3:53 pmThis is your first interaction with me, Seattle Slew. How could you possibly know anything about me?
What you’re saying is that you don’t want to have an honest discussion, and you’re trying to accuse me of racism in the process.
So much for behaving in good faith.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 4:08 pmCould an expert in racism please look at my comment #44 and tell me where it’s dripping with racism, as our new guest here seems to think?
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 4:18 pmYou disagreed with the TLI, Steverino. And in our current version of Newspeak, the term “racist” (like the term “fascist” in the 1980s) is a replacement for vulgar insult. Disagreeing with a person does not make one racist; treating people differentially (and poorly) on the basis of their race is racist.
Just like Professor Gates is racist, apparently.
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/25/2009 @ 4:24 pmI didn’t even disagree with the idiot, Eric. I just asked a few questions to form a basis for discussion. I’m guessing Seattle Slew is a gutless wonder, who gets off at insulting people on the internet. But when he’s faced with an intelligent opponent who will argue with facts and sound logic, chickens out.
As for imdw, I’ll withhold my judgment until I see whether he answers those questions.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 4:29 pmWhat I don’t like about people flinging about words like “racist” (or “fascist,” for that matter) is that it dilutes the genuine and terrible meaning of that word. It helps racists.
Of course, it also helps people (of any color) who make their living from racial grievances.
You are a pretty fair debater, Steverino. If those two actually discussed things with you, there might be some basis for common cause.
Eric Blair (204104) — 7/25/2009 @ 4:34 pmSeattle Slew is an object lesson. Performance art. Racists. That was just full of codewords. I denounce horsesh*t.
JD (7510a7) — 7/25/2009 @ 4:39 pmThank you, Eric. I agree with you, for the most part.
I also object the the reflexive cry of “racism”. But I don’t think it’s a racist tactic, and I’ll even go as far as saying that I don’t think Gates is a racist.
I think it’s a bullying tactic, designed to throw the other person off. Instead of dealing with the meat of the debate, one side is forced to defend himself from the charge. And being called racist is a very ugly thing.
In situations like Seattle Slew or Gates, it becomes a knee-jerk response to any interaction. Instead of dealing honestly with the issue, they try to put the other side on the defensive with a spurious charge.
So, Gates isn’t a racist: he’s common, run-of-the-mill bully.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/25/2009 @ 5:38 pmI think I read about Professor Gates going after another black professor, didn’t I?
http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/07/24/rush-isn’t-alone-black-college-prof-on-gates-arrest-“-it-smells-like-a-“convenient-concoction”/
So you may indeed be right (or the report above may be bogus)! But that is the problem of labeling people that way—it dilutes the term.
It seems to be about class…in boths sense of the word.
Eric Blair (0b61b2) — 7/25/2009 @ 5:46 pmRich Puchalsky would beg to differ with you, steverino.
JD (07b76c) — 7/25/2009 @ 5:48 pmHere is more. I have no idea if this is credible.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276456
Eric Blair (0b61b2) — 7/25/2009 @ 5:49 pmRich Puchalsky is so mean I had to go have waffles cause of he made me feel so dehumanized and worthless.
happyfeet (c75712) — 7/25/2009 @ 5:50 pmJD, I blush to admit that I had no idea who Rich Puchalsky is until I Googled him. I think, even in the knowledge that he disagrees with me, that I can still sleep at night.
Isn’t it amusing how the trolls disappear once someone challenges them to a thoughtful debate? I’ve seen imdw do this before, but I was hoping he had changed. Offering debate to trolls is like flicking on the overhead light to cockroaches.
Steverino (69d941) — 7/26/2009 @ 10:18 am#10 — Comment by VietnamEraVet — 7/24/2009 @ 2:25 pm
Obama overreacted and should have kept quiet on the subject but because his friend was involved and because he is aware of how black folks have been treated in the past he reacted emotionally.. that was wrong and I will admit it..with a degree of understanding.
Where is the “but”, the one that will wholly exonerate the President? Wait for it…
But…
There it is — ta da!
…the sad fact is that this incident in which no one was killed and no real harm done has been a rallying cry for racists like Rush Limbaugh to spread their poisonous and divisive hatemongering and that is has diverted our attention from the serious problem of health care reform..yet to that degree I wish he had put a sock in his mouth.. OK?
The “criticism” is really just a simple acknowledgment of an undeniable mistake, followed by a justification because:
Pons Asinorum (03d2d0) — 7/26/2009 @ 12:12 pm(a) no big deal; focus should be on fact that nobody was hurt, as opposed to the fact that the POTUS injected himself into a local police incident in an adversarial manner,
(b) two “wrongs” make a right; some have pointed out the obvious mistake the President has made (and such people are therefore racists), and
(c) this issue is being used to divert attention from the non-related issue of health care.
#10 — Comment by VietnamEraVet — 7/24/2009 @ 2:25 pm
Obama is only a man,,…
Wow.
…not God…
Wow! (note the Capital “G” — luv’in it)
…and he does make mistakes.
What, for real???…wow!! Alert the media (I mean for real, alert the media — this is contrary to their narritive).
Radical stuff. Hey, is it possible that the Earth is really round and not flat?
Pons Asinorum (03d2d0) — 7/26/2009 @ 12:14 pm#15 — Comment by VietnamEraVet — 7/24/2009 @ 2:46 pm
The only person who has used racial slurs on this thread is you.
Pons Asinorum (03d2d0) — 7/26/2009 @ 12:15 pm#50 — Comment by Steverino — 7/25/2009 @ 4:29 pm
As for imdw, I’ll withhold my judgment until I see whether he answers those questions.
Com’on imdw, you can do it…
Pons Asinorum (03d2d0) — 7/26/2009 @ 12:16 pm