Obama: We’ll Get Crushing Deficits if We Pass Don’t Pass Health Care Reform
Obama on passing health care reform:
Make no mistake: If we step back from this challenge at this moment, we are consigning our children to a future of skyrocketing premiums and crushing deficits. There’s no argument about that.
I thought there was no argument that passing it would consign our children to a future of crushing deficits.
Then again, the consignment has already happened, hasn’t it?
Incomprehensible that he would bring up crushing deficits given the rate of his administration’s spending.
I’m sure the left blogosphere will point out that he’s using fear to bully the electorate.
Apogee (e2dc9b) — 7/18/2009 @ 5:50 pmWhat he’s saying makes sense from a certain warped perspective. Medicare/Medicaid/social security costs are out of control, and something has got to be done. But to suggest Obamacare as a solution?
It’s like having someone tell you to get rid of the Ford Explorer because you can’t afford the payments, gas, & insurance, and then try to convince you that you’ll die unless you buy an Escalade.
The same crowd who engineered a gigantic mess now want to engineer an astronomical mess.
Steve (7d8b00) — 7/18/2009 @ 5:53 pmThe idea that we will incur billions of dollars of debt if we do not incur trillions of dollars in debt is brought to you by the same people that told us that we have to spend lots more money to avoid bankruptcy.
JD (083e45) — 7/18/2009 @ 6:16 pmCapital-S Steve is exponentially smarter than short-bus small-s steve.
JD (083e45) — 7/18/2009 @ 6:23 pmWell, Duh! What was your first clue?
AD - RtR/OS! (ff0870) — 7/18/2009 @ 6:26 pm…rhetorical questions need not be responded to…
To a liberal, there is always another unmet need. Don’t be angry at these folks for what they are, be angry that they seemed the lesser evil.
Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 7/18/2009 @ 6:33 pmWhat they seemed to be could only happen if you had your eyes shut, and were incarcerated somewhere where you were unable to access any writings on the failures of Socialism through the ages.
AD - RtR/OS! (ff0870) — 7/18/2009 @ 6:37 pmWe have met the enemy, and he is us!
In six months as President, the one has clearly demonstrated that he clueless with respect to economics. There has be limit on how many times the one can call wolf.
DavidL (02e14f) — 7/18/2009 @ 6:52 pm‘We have to spend money to save money…” and other timeless obvious failed classics brought to you by the worst administration in USA history.
Ray (c25c62) — 7/18/2009 @ 7:10 pmDid someone tell these people to go full retard?
John Smith (7841a9) — 7/18/2009 @ 7:33 pmit costs a trillion every time he says ‘make no mistake’
What frightens me is that the O isn’t actually incompetent and that this is his game plan.
reg (40ad66) — 7/18/2009 @ 7:44 pmObama is not clueless about this issue – he’s brazenly, knowingly lying. He knows that there is no rational way to claim that these healthcare reform proposals would cut government spending.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/18/2009 @ 7:46 pmDo any of the media bother to ask them what the hell they are talking about?
JD (083e45) — 7/18/2009 @ 7:50 pmMore Trouble Ahead. When medical care is perceived as free the desire for it is insaitable.
David Gottfried (0009ba) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:03 pmMore Trouble Ahead. When medical care is perceived as free the desire for it is insatiable.
David Gottfried (0009ba) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:03 pmOBAMA THINKS YOU’RE STUPID!!!!!
daleyrocks (718861) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:10 pmSteve,
Obama’s fix will be to talk old people into dying sooner than later.
Look out, here comes the Grim Counselor
“Obama hates old people.”
Patricia (48ec63) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:11 pmPatricia, interesting link. What was struck me as most significant was,
Here’s the thing: I’m a lawyer and I couldn’t figure out what this section of the bill would actually require because it refers to existing laws, and to look up and cross reference those against the bill would require hours to figure out. That in itself should send up warning flares. From what I have seen, this bill is simply incomprehensible.
When there is a concerted effort to rush through anything that entails spending other people’s money and/or a massive restructuring of any system currently in play, wouldn’t the most advisable and prudent approach be to proceed with deliberate caution and restraint?
It has been troubling from day on of this administration the incessant need to rush through everything. Why, it’s almost as if somewhere a collective is simultaneously rubbing their greedy paws together, chortling, Hurry, hurry, hurry! Move it quickly, and no one gets hurt.
Color me cynical, but I’m just not feeling the love.
Dana (57e332) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:28 pmDana – Obama’s brown shirts will show you some love if you don’t get with the program right quick. Make sure your tires are inflated to the correct PSI as well or there will be hell to pay.
daleyrocks (718861) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:38 pmLoving it!
Well, then people wonder why I wish certain people ill.
To a powerless peon, it is about all we have to fight back with.
HeavenSent (641cde) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:42 pmOh yeah, and talk about FEAR MONGERING and THREATENING PEOPLE as a way of pushing your views through Congress.
Bush and Cheney could learn a thing, or two, about FEAR MONGERING and THREATENING POLITICAL OPPONENTS from this low-life douche bag.
Good ol USA is going to need one hell of a wash to clear the system of this turd.
HeavenSent (641cde) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:45 pmA nice story in tomorrow’s WaPo by Matt Welch and Nick Gillespie covers this and other Obama related subjects:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/17/AR2009071702093.html
daleyrocks (718861) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:48 pm##22, In sum, Obama and his minions are full of shit blow hards.
HeavenSent (641cde) — 7/18/2009 @ 8:57 pmIt’s not about health or mortgages or energy, it’s about POWER, Dana.
Patricia (48ec63) — 7/18/2009 @ 10:52 pm#17
Great comment. I can’t wait for some government GS 4 tell Obama one day that he really shouldn’t take any drugs that might prolong his life, beacuse, he’s old, and its really better to die.
In Obama’s case I hope its when he’s about 55.
Thomas Jackson (8ffd46) — 7/18/2009 @ 11:54 pmHe’s scary, the puerile lies he so glibly tells. Politeness almost dictates one should cover for his appalling boorishness.
happyfeet (c75712) — 7/19/2009 @ 12:23 amHe drugs up on about 3 packs of smokes per day. Maybe the cancer has spread to his minute brain. Since when was it the President that “required” passage of a spending bill by a certain time. Thought the seperation of powers left that to start with the House and then the Senate can filibuster it to death.
Thor (825935) — 7/19/2009 @ 12:29 amWe had a few nuts take out a President when he got too far astray. Is smokin’ O setting himself up because the oncologist gave him a year or so?
Oh, no–that would leave us with Biden. Yikes!
Thor,
I do not think JFK, Reagan, Lincoln, or Garfield were shot or attacked out of some kind of ‘keep them from going too far astray’ justice. I think these were merely cases were a deranged person got lucky.
No doubt, many deranged people tried to murder Bush, we know Saddam tried to murder Bush 41, and I’ve heard of attempts on Clinton.
Obama’s our president whether I want him to be or not, and his assassination would truly be one of the worst things that ever happened to civilization. Let his policies fail and let our nation turn back on the entitlement idea and identity politics. It’s been clear to me since I was a boy that the only way to find sustainable policies and sane ideas about judging character was to let all this ‘me me me’ and affirmative action run its course until we have a completely incompetent president promising ridiculous entitlements that fail quickly.
I think our nation can struggle through this period and emerge much smarter.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/19/2009 @ 12:46 am#22 — Comment by daleyrocks — 7/18/2009 @ 8:48 pm
Great find, Daleyrocks!
Although I enjoyed every passage in the article (especially appreciated Welch’s and Gillespie’s linked sources), this was my favorite:
Pons Asinorum (829f65) — 7/19/2009 @ 1:39 am#28 – Comment by Juan — 7/19/2009 @ 12:46 am
Amen, Juan. The very last thing we need is for BHO to become some sort of martyr for the left. The flurry of legislation that would pass in the wake of such an event to “complete his legacy” would likely push this country off the rails for a long, long time.
Add a Biden presidency on top of that and say ‘Hello’ to Third World status.
kaz (e7a67c) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:10 amPatterico,
When Karl asks you to ban Thor, ban him!
nk a/k/a Sarah (c20555) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:56 amthat’s a different thor
happyfeet (c75712) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:58 amSorry.
nk a/k/a Sarah (c20555) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:30 amSo the god of thunder gets tired of mead and Wotan’s baleful gaze, and decides to come down to Earth for a little relaxation. He meets a lady whom he likes and likes him, and, to make a long story short, they spend a divine night together. In the morning, he is ready to reascend to Valhalla but feels a certain obligation. He says, “Madam, I’m Thor”. And she says, “You’re thore? I’m tho thore, I can hardly pith!”
nk a/k/a Sarah (c20555) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:49 amSomeone on TV said, “If you want to know what health care will be like under Obama’s plan, just remember what it felt like the last time you went to the DMV.”
Ropelight (bb3af5) — 7/19/2009 @ 9:42 amCome on, people. Have faith in our president. It took how many years to get to this problem American is suffering from?
Ask yourself again… how long does it take to undo it?!?
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that issues such as health care is absolutely going to take time to turn around, regardless of how soon you want to bash our new leader.
I have 101% faith in Obama, his strategies, and his compassion to do what is right for all concerned and be VERY careful in the interim.
All of you critics need to stop rushing the gun and get with the program. We all knew President Obama’s fate when he came into office… and that it would not be an easy task to turn things around – not by a long shot. Sheesh, not even one year into his presidency, and you critics are already bashing him by your deep uncertainty.
It took 8 years+ to get to the boat our American people are currently in. Therefore changes are not going to happen overnight. I will wait 8 years if I have to, before I start to judge our wonderful president and will do whatever is right on my part, to assure this whole thing becomes a smooth and safe transition for all concerned.
I’m so tired of reading these comments who don’t believe in our current President. Open your eyes, and lets come together to make this work.
Vicky Brush (7986d1) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:15 pmVicky, you have 101% faith? Belief? That’s pretty amusing. Ignoring for the moment your use of religious term, there is no reason for your faith. All of Obama’s actions to date have failed.
Further, we’ve already seen Obama backing away from the promises he’s made on the topic. Accordingly, there is no basis for your “faith”.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:20 pmTo fund health care reform on anticipated savings from cost cutting is funding it based on speculation and hopes.
Isn’t this the same as buying a car you can not afford and assuming that your salary will increase to allow you to afford it?
And in fact, isn’t this the very thing that caused the housing crisis? People assumed that their home values would always go up?
I find it troubling that Democrats plan to fund health care with saving they think will occur. Would it be better to achieve the savings FIRST and not just assume they will occur?
Heather (903b01) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:23 pmNo, Heather, it is not the same as funding on speculation and hope. It is funding on a knowingly false statement of one’s income. We already know from experience that the cost savings Obama and the Democrats claim to rely upon are nonexistant.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:24 pmGawd, these pessimistic individuals in here are just pitiful. Clearly, they have not learned by what was so wrong and so destructive before Obama stepped in as our leader of this great nation.
OUR ECONOMY IS LIKE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE LAST ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!
Give this new guy a break. Looking at the entire mess he has to sort out, clean up and fix, do any of you think you could actually do a better job?
I seriously doubt. In fact, I’d bet my life on it.
Mark (7986d1) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:25 pmI have 101% faith in Obama, his strategies, and his compassion to do what is right for all concerned and be VERY careful in the interim.
Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.</i> Sorry, I had to steal that one from an earlier thread.
All of you critics need to stop rushing the gun and get with the program
Yeah, so STFU and get in line, or else.
No doubt this commenter was just as lenient and patient during the Bush years.
I will wait 8 years if I have to,
I wouldn’t make those reservations for the second term just yet, sweetheart. But please continue with your awesome, frightening and cultish devotional…
before I start to judge our wonderful president and will do whatever is right on my part, to assure this whole thing becomes a smooth and safe transition for all concerned.
“… or I will ruin this house with my anger!”
C’mon, this has to be a parody, yes?
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Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:26 pmMark, you are full of as much nonsense as Vicky. Our economy is like it is because of decisions that stretch back several decades, several presidential administrations and more importantly scores of Congressional terms. The Bush administration had almost nothing to do with the policies that created the financial crisis.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:27 pmSpor, I empathize for you. Obviously, you have a lot to learn in the overall, long-term picture.
Keep reading, keep posting, keep debating. One day, it should click.
Vicky Brush (7986d1) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:27 pmVicky, I have a lot to learn? I’m not the one swooning over a president of no accomplishment as if he was a Beatle. All you have is empathy, feeling, “faith” and belief.
What you should do is try to learn some rational thought.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:29 pmThe Bush administration had almost nothing to do with the policies that created the financial crisis.
Gee Spqr, are you actually serious in this above statement?
Mark (7986d1) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:31 pmMark, yes I’m serious. Evidently you are not as you’ve paid no attention to the issues that created the mortgage securities market whose collapse took down the world’s financial system.
Oh, you did know that it was a global financial crisis didn’t you?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:33 pm*lol* Mark, I think I’ll let you take over from here. I’ve got to get to something more productive in the studio.
Ooooh, this is fun! Sorry I’ll miss it the rest for now.
Spor, hang tight. Don’t worry. Things will all work out. 😉
Vicky Brush (7986d1) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:35 pmSheesh, the quality of trolls is dropping again.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:37 pmI can now see this little itsy bity blog here is a click of sorts, tunnel visioned by the fear of the unknown.
Continue to feed off each other, you have so much in common. But, always remember something: you are far out numbered by the reality of what is real, fair and of very hard work that must be planned extremely carefully.
Have fun.
Your loving troll.
Mark (7986d1) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:42 pmIn other words, Mark, you have not a clue what you are talking about.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:43 pmObviously, you have a lot to learn in the overall, long-term picture.
No statement was more self – evident in the art of projection.
I’ve got to get to something more productive in the studio.
And so when challenged, the moon – eyed cultist runs away, never to be heard from again.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:44 pmLooking at the entire mess he has to sort out, clean up and fix, do any of you think you could actually do a better job?
I think anyone with a bit more common sense and decent judgment would do better than the ultra-liberal that currently occupies the White House.
Beyond that, the last time I checked, the huge mess that is California’s state government can be traced to the fact that a majority of its legislators are from the same party — from the same side of the philosophical fence — that Obama is from.
I will say that, given their clueless, sappy, “I’m-liberal-therefore-I-am” voting record of the past several years, a large percentage of voters from California also wouldn’t do any better a job than Obama is doing.
Mark (411533) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:45 pmWhat else to expect from someone who refuses to “judge” “our wonderful president” …
Sheesh, what a load.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:46 pmYou can tell the serious intellect behind Mark’s post when he SAYS IT IN CAPS! WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY OF DEMONSTRATING THAT YOU HAVE NO COHERENT THOUGHTS TO SHARE IN THE FIRST PLACE! BOOSH! CHENEY! HALLIBURTON! FIRE DOESN’T MELT STEEL!
But, always remember something: you are far out numbered by the reality of what is real, fair and of very hard work that must be planned extremely carefully.
Who wants to take bets that Marky – Mark’s a sockpuppet of the Vickster? And is her “studio” really just her mother’s basement?
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:47 pmDo we have two “Mark” here, or one writing some satirical comments?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:48 pmIcky Vicky just p3wnd y’all.
JD (d71a7a) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:51 pmThis Mark is the one whose comments often have total, full disdain for “progressives” and “progressivism.” My writing style should be easy to differentiate from other Marks at patterico.com.
Mark (411533) — 7/19/2009 @ 2:55 pmWe need a Presidential Commission to determine why the quality of trolls has become so deplorable, and what measures can be taken to reverse the trend.
AD - RtR/OS! (e2278d) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:01 pmWe have a commenting problem that needs to be cleared up. First, there are two different Marks commenting on this thread which is causing some confusion. Second, one of the Marks is posting from the same IP address as Vicky Brush. I’ve put the IP address for Mark/Vicky Brush in moderation until they can confirm they are different people. (Note to Mark/Vicky Brush: Your future comments won’t appear at the website but they will be seen in moderation, so feel free to leave a note regarding your identities.)
DRJ (6f3f43) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:43 pmI just love Leftist sock-puppetry.
JD (d71a7a) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:47 pmEspecially when done as clumsily as the transexual “Vicky/Mark”.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:49 pmI always wonder who on earth has the time to waste on attempting to misle commenters at sites they’ve never posted on before. Sad – pathetic, even.
Dmac (e6d1c2) — 7/19/2009 @ 3:57 pmJust a general comment about/for anyone joining in the “amen chorus” that we’re in this mess because of Bush’s policies of the past 8 years.
If you believe that, you’re advertising to the world that you just can’t grasp the CBO director’s testimony before Congress last week that explained why we’re on an unsustainable course, and are self-identifying as ineligible to comment.
No wonder you put your faith in Messiahs.
Steve (89f020) — 7/20/2009 @ 8:01 am#58 — Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 7/19/2009 @ 3:01 pm
Ahh, come-on AD, I mean a phrase like “reality of what is real” must have taken ENORMOUS brainpower to produce.
Besides, it takes true willpower to marry a quantifiable statement (“far outnumbered”) , to qualitative concepts like reality, fairness, and a hard-work ethic.
I mean think about the amount of logic and common sense that had to be ignored.
PS: I put enormous in CAPS, so you know it must be true.
Pons Asinorum (829f65) — 7/20/2009 @ 8:36 amSteve, it’s funny that Obama supported the domestic spending bills that Bush signed, which until 2006 really were sustainable to some extent, if still far and away not conservative.
Obama inherited a economic problems that he supported 100% of the time. Hell, the housing bubble and foreclosure instigators were things Obama pushed before he ran for office. But while Obama claims he welcomes responsibility for the economy, I doubt he’ll ever talk about it without blaming the president for signing those bills and budgets Obama voted for.
Juan (bd4b30) — 7/20/2009 @ 8:44 am