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7/15/2009

Sotomayorisms: You, Like, Suck at Talking, Your Imminence; UPDATED With More Idiotspeak

Filed under: General,Judiciary — Patterico @ 6:52 pm

We are in eminent danger of confirming a Supreme Court justice who no speak so good da language:

But, under New York law, if you’re being threatened with eminent death or very serious injury, you can use force to repel that, and that would be legal. The question that would come up, and does come up before juries and judges, is how eminent is the threat. If the threat was in this room, “I’m going to come get you,” and you go home and get — or I go home. I don’t want to suggest I am, by the way. Please, I’m not — I don’t want anybody to misunderstand what I’m trying to say. (LAUGHTER)

In case you thought it was a transcription error, think again:


Yikes. She very much bad talker.

If I must suffer death, may it be an eminent death.

Oh — Ed Whelan adds that Sotomayor says “providence” instead of “province” — and “story of knowledge” instead of “store of knowledge. Here’s the transcript on “providence”:

SOTOMAYOR: All questions of policy are within the providence of Congress first.

And here’s the transcript on “story of knowledge”:

Judges — and I — I’m not using my words. I’m using Justice Ginsberg’s words. You build up your story of knowledge as a person, as a judge, as a human being with everything you read.

Yeesh.

(Thanks to Allahpundit at Hot Air, who is already denouncing himself as racist for having noticed this. Hey, Allahpundit? You’re sexist too. Deal with it.)

UPDATE: I guess she was just caught up in the vagrancies of the moment.

147 Responses to “Sotomayorisms: You, Like, Suck at Talking, Your Imminence; UPDATED With More Idiotspeak”

  1. Can we get some Senators to pose tests for her? Like see if she confuses “facility” and “faculty”? Can we get her to spell “their”, “there” and “they’re”? Or potato?

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  2. Don’t file that eminent domain appeal in front of her–you’ll be sentenced to state prison if you lose!

    Patricia (48ec63)

  3. Recall how verbal gaffes like this proved that George W. Bush was unfit for office?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  4. Can we get some Senators to pose tests for her? Like see if she confuses “facility” and “faculty”? Can we get her to spell “their”, “there” and “they’re”? Or potato for that matter?

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  5. oops

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  6. how a person speaks and writes is a window into how their mind w*rks, and to the quality of both their education and their understanding of things.

    off hand, i’d have to say that my persian cat is slightly brighter than this racist twit.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  7. So she’s a quaint dude you can have a beer with!

    [note: fished from spam filter]

    imdw (612dd7)

  8. Thank sweet Jeebus no one brought up the Kelo decision and imminent domain.

    Gazzer (fceaf3)

  9. Does she say “for all intense and purpose” as opposed to “for all intent and purpose“?

    It is a personal peccadillo of mine.

    HeavenSent (641cde)

  10. Racists

    If she was bad Sen. Stuart Smalley was exponentially worse.

    JD (9e0d25)

  11. THis might be the time for the trolls to come back and discuss her “summa cum laude” record in university and law school. Of course, it’s no big deal for a lawyer. They don’t use words much.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  12. Summa Cum Laude?
    How do you receive such an honor when you fail Remedial English?
    Grade Inflation is obviously a much more serious problem than previously contemplated…
    I don’t even want to get into Affirmative Action.

    We are in the very best of hands!

    AD - RtR/OS! (002e28)

  13. Recall how verbal gaffes like this proved that George W. Bush was unfit for office?

    Mainly, George W. Bush’s atrocious record proved he was unfit for office. Holding onto an incompetent like Rumsfeld till the Democratic takeover — just among the most salient of many examples of his complete inability to lead. This had nothing to do with his admittedly colorful way of speaking (“The Google” etc etc)

    In other news, Mike K. doesn’t understand what “trolls” are. Must be new to blogs.

    Myron (88d458)

  14. You are a troll,Myron. Your response to my comment is a perfect illustration of trolling.

    Your response ignores the point, and makes stupid and unsupported assertions unrelated to my point.

    The incompetence is all yours.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  15. Oh, and Myron, I’m still waiting for you to actually establish anything “inaccurate” being said about Sotomayor … guess I better not hold my breath.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  16. We need to bring back the Horse Cavalry since we harvest so much straw in mowing-down all of these straw-men the Left (like Myron the Moron) constructs.

    AD - RtR/OS! (002e28)

  17. Look, for all in tents and porpoises, this is jest anuther rite wing atak on a perfectedly good cantitate for the supreem cort.

    Ayn innabillity at grandma cuppoled with her forgetability of what she said beefor dozent meen that she kant be kwalifeyed.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  18. Remember, Justice Ginsburg maintains that writing and speaking tests are RAAAAAACIST!

    So, you know, don’t go there…

    I mean, the Hispanic vote might be lost if you do…

    Bob (99fc1b)

  19. Why are you all so hostile to minorities?

    JD (297916)

  20. Sown-Jah!

    You got some ‘splainin’ to do…

    Bob (99fc1b)

  21. So not only do we have to live with a racist perjurer on the Supreme Court, but she’s a tongue-tied moron as well?

    Well played, Obama. Well played.

    KingShamus (4fabb2)

  22. Is English her second language? (I haven’t read about that but if so, it might help explain the moments of seeming incoherency).

    Dana (57e332)

  23. For we’ll fight with a vim
    that is dead sure to win,
    for Old Nassau

    (apologies to any Princeton alums out there; then again, maybe you should be apologizing to us)

    JVW (5172e2)

  24. Cardinal Spellman HS will be proud. Boogie Down Bronx in da house!

    So, anyone think she is frustrated Field Hockey Player?

    HeavenSent (641cde)

  25. Mary Kate Petrano made an appearance in the other Sotomayor thread. See if you can guess which comment.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  26. Good thing this Roseann Barr lookalike isn’t all stoopid like Dan Quayle. Or GW Bush. Or Sarah Palin. After all, proper use of the language is a sign of genuine intelligence. Or so we get told, all the time.

    Provided the right letter is used as a prefix, that is.

    Heck, I’m still waiting for Katie Couric to ask her what magazines she reads each week.

    If she does read magazines, I’ll bet we can predict the ones. Right? Or should I say, “Left”?

    Eric Blair (acade1)

  27. Sorry – It was the Obamacare thread.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  28. Dana #22,

    Good thought. This NY Times article says Sotomayor was not fluent in English until she was 10, after her Spanish-speaking father died. It explains some of her problems with idioms. It doesn’t explain her problems with legal terminology.

    DRJ (6f3f43)

  29. DRJ, I have known lots and lots of students from non-English speaking backgrounds who were hard driving overachievers interested in law school. They all sound better than this, Princeton and Yale or not.

    It’s much more likely she is nervous chatting with the committee. I wonder why she is nervous? It couldn’t be her background statements away from which she is doing the foxtrot?

    Eric Blair (acade1)

  30. The country’s in the very best of hands.

    Techie (482700)

  31. I grew up in a Spanish Speaking home and the fact she speaks poorly points to being lazy and somewhat arrogant.

    She was born in NYC? Raised New Yorican?

    HeavenSent (641cde)

  32. Okay she mis used a word. You do us a great service in dealing with the issues. Wouldn’t the public be better served by showing us how she has ruled in the past in regard to gun rights, taxes, unions, civil rights, individual rights vs the state, government takings, illegal immigration, etc?

    This would allow a better informed public regarding her actions and record. The more we see and know of this woman the more of a racist troll she seems.

    Thomas Jackson (8ffd46)

  33. It’s an imminence front.

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  34. DRJ – Better Half was born and raised in VietNam, and did not start even learning English until age 8. You cannot detect even a hint of an accent, despite her parents apeaking very little English even to this day. And she managed to do so in spite of her IU education ;-)

    JD (ec4c12)

  35. I was in the car during the ‘eminent danger’ bit – my NPR station was delay-broadcasting the hearings – and I found the formulation surprisingly grating.

    I mean, eminent/imminent as a pronounciation quirk is ultimately no big deal, but it’s one of those errors in usage that gets under my skin for no good reason.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  36. I all due respect. I see nothing wrong with her explanation to these Senators using laymen terms. Lets be honest. Al Franken is present and may ask her about Law and Order or Boston Legal.

    Dennis D (ae900a)

  37. It’s an imminence front.

    Nah, it’s just a put-on.

    JVW (5172e2)

  38. it’s a put on……

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  39. i claim alphabetical discrimination in favor of JVW.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  40. “You cannot detect even a hint of an accent, despite her parents apeaking very little English even to this day.”

    There’s a certain time when accents get set. 8 is before then.

    imdw (7c85b9)

  41. Xrlq 33, JVW 37 and redc1c4 38 have successfully channeled Peter Townshend.
    For purposes of this post, I prefer to channel the late Sen. Roman Hruska (R-Neb.), who once argued that mediocre people deserved representation on that great judicial body, the U.S. Supreme Corpse. Ms. Sodamayor certainly fulfills Sen. Hruska’s wishes, don’t you think?

    either orr (291505)

  42. Is alphie back?

    JD (ec4c12)

  43. redc1c4: how a person speaks and writes is a window into how their mind w*rks.
    Argh! Number one rule: when complaining of someone else’s command of the English language, take care not to make elementary grammatical errors.

    sierra (4be1ff)

  44. Possibly people whose native tongue is Spanish but speak primarily English have less of an accent compared to those whose native tongue is Spanish and limit their English to work only but speak Spanish at home with friends and family. I know a couple of people like this and it seems that the latter retain more of their accents.

    I also know a Polish girl who learned English in her mid 20′s as the University required her to become fluent within 6 months. She did and while she speaks near perfect English, she said that she thinks her sentences in her native tongue before she translates it to herself in English. She retains a thick accent.

    Perhaps that’s a thought with regard to Sotomayor. This is of course would not explain her problems with legal terminology as someone previously mentioned but might explain the bungling. Otherwise it’s really difficult to understand how someone so not in command of the language has gotten as far as she has especially when one considers that speaking well and writing fluently is an enormous part of her job.

    Does this speak then to those around her who were lenient in their assessments of her writing and speaking skills and training in law school?

    Dana (57e332)

  45. She makes Bush sound like Einstein, but he was term limited, and she will be there for life. Ugh.

    JD (ec4c12)

  46. After 8 years of hate mongering leftists making fun of how President Bush used the language, this is what the left puts up as their best candidate.

    Sotomoyer is less articulate than the hated George Bush.

    Well, I won’t laugh at her and I don’t hate her.

    I am concerned that she lies. Her “wise Latina” quote is the opposite of what Justice O’Conner said, not the same. It’s too bad the news agencies seem to be covering up her lie. The American public needs to know the true nature of President Obama’s choices. They shouldn’t do any more John Edward’s cover ups.

    tyree (707587)

  47. “Otherwise it’s really difficult to understand how someone so not in command of the language has gotten as far as she has especially when one considers that speaking well and writing fluently is an enormous part of her job.”

    We heard anonymous criticism — repeated by the senate minority today — that she was mean to lawyers. But not about this.

    imdw (960795)

  48. Tyree:

    Don’t be so hard on the Leftees. After Obama, they need someone like Sotomayor who can almost speak English. She after all was at least born in America.

    Thomas Jackson (8ffd46)

  49. Joseph Conrad was a native Polish speaker and wrote his novels first ion Polish, then translated them to English. He did pretty well, as I recall.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  50. Imdw is a student of the alphie school of non-sequiters, obfuscation, etc …

    JD (ec4c12)

  51. “She after all was at least born in America.”

    Your best work yet.

    imdw (960795)

  52. I forgot that Justice Clarence Thomas spoke Gullah growing up and when he went to school he spent his time listening as he was unable to speak English correctly. I believe I read that in his memoir, My Grandfather’s Son .

    Dana (57e332)

  53. Comment by imdw — 7/15/2009 @ 9:59 pm

    I’m sorry but I don’t understand your point?

    Dana (57e332)

  54. “I’m sorry but I don’t understand your point?”

    I would have expected that her command of the english language wouldn’t be a surprise for the hearing, but would have popped up already. If it is something that had dogged her in the past.

    imdw (7c60a3)

  55. Well, it’s too bad she (Sotomayor) lies so easily and so often. She wants the job so badly she is talking like a politician.

    Elections have consequences. Sotomayor is Obama’s Haynsworth. But we don’t have the same set of senators to oppose a lousy choice.

    Too bad.

    steve miller (11b06b)

  56. Does Sotomayor raise pitbulls? I’m thinking about that dogs and their owners look alike thingy. Just askin’.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  57. #43: and what, exactly, is the grammatical error you perceive in the quoted line?

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  58. la pendeja’s command of the english language is such that she can only lead it on suicide charges.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  59. It’s time for her to swallow the bullet.

    Alta Bob (ffeddb)

  60. i think she likes clams with her silver bullets… %-)

    /white smoke

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  61. She’s a leftist. They no needa to speaka da English dat gud.

    Congressman John Lewis from Georgia (I believe) needs to bring an interpreter along wit him (but he doesn’t).

    These folks can be and say anything (comprehensible or not).

    It makes no difference to the brainwashed masses.

    They eat up the hatred for conservatives so anybody from their side will do.

    Keep up the good work, anyway.

    Steve Martin (9d1bb3)

  62. the look on the face of the woman sitting behind her on her left/our right in the video link is priceless:

    “i can’t believe she just said that….. how did someone *this* st00pid get this far?”

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  63. “After Obama, they need someone like Sotomayor who can almost speak English. She after all was at least born in America.”

    - Thomas Jackson

    Are you sure? Or is that just what they want you to believe?

    I mean, she may have a so-called “birth certificate” saying she was born in this country, but apparently that’s not good enough for you – you need to go find an eyewitness, if you ask me. Two, in fact – just in case ACORN and the little green men have their agents mixed into the general populace.

    Oh, and as far as the title of this post goes: despite your ironic usage of the phrase, “Your Imminence” might be a more accurate title for Ms. Sotomayor than you’d be happy to admit.

    Leviticus (1f2312)

  64. #57: Probably posting too late for anyone to notice, but oh, well.

    how a person speaks and writes is a window into how their mind w*rks.

    “Person” is singular. “Their” is plural.

    “How a person speaks…is a window into how (his/her/his or her) mind w*orks”

    Gordon Winslow (699048)

  65. The one that jumped out at me yesterday was when she was describing her ruling in the baseball strike case, and she referred to the “National Labor Relationships Board” — which I would have guessed to be an online dating service for union members.

    However, I hasten to add — in a Seinfeldian “not that there’s anything wrong with that” mode — that someone whose native language was not English can easily be forgiven many such small burrs and thorns and blemishes. I was probably more irritated when Sen. Graham repeatedly referred to Judge Sotomayor’s “wise Latino” remark, and Judge Sotomayor’s English is many orders of magnitude better than my own rudimentary Spanish. The “eminent/imminent” distinction, at least in spoken English, is more subtle than “pen/pin,” and I wouldn’t have noticed it.

    In any event, these language quirks are no reason for a senator to vote against her, nor for us to mock Obama for nominating her. And she is going to be confirmed. At this point, I’m entirely satisfied with that result. Watching Judge Sotomayor testify — and comparing her with, for example, Chief Justice Roberts in the same setting — confirms my belief that Obama could hardly have nominated a less effective person to be an internal advocate within the Supreme Court’s deliberations for the political points of view he would espouse. The idea that she’s ever going to talk Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, or Alito around to her point of view on anything by virtue of subtle but powerful rational argument is essentially nil. The likelihood of her doing so with Kennedy is fractionally larger, but barely that — and appointing someone who could have done that (e.g., Cass Sunstein or someone else whose intellectual approval Kennedy might have craved) was the greatest opportunity for Obama in this appointment, an opportunity that he clearly has missed.

    Beldar (0c9207)

  66. “Their” can be singular when used as a possessive pronoun of an unknown gender. Since they weren’t referring specifically to Sotomayor, the gender is indeterminate and “their” is appropriate. Just sayin’

    Stashiu3 (ed6467)

  67. “…how did someone *this* st00pid get this far?”

    Hey, we just had a president for eight years who distinguished himself as a prodigy of malapropisms. Did this make him stupid? If so, how did he get as far as he did?

    Craig R. Harmon (81ca94)

  68. I said above (#65 7/16/2009 @ 12:28 am) that “[i]n any event, these language quirks are no reason for a senator to vote against her, nor for us to mock Obama for nominating her.” I didn’t mean to imply that there aren’t other good reasons for a senator to vote against her — indeed, there are. And there are indeed other good reasons to fault, and mock, Obama for nominating her. But these verbal tics are much ado about nothing.

    Beldar (0c9207)

  69. I would say that the most important decisions Sotomayor has made are who she hires as her clerk.
    Some one has been ghost writing her rulings for years.

    jack (d9cbc5)

  70. Oh, and Myron, I’m still waiting for you to actually establish anything “inaccurate” being said about Sotomayor … guess I better not hold my breath.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/15/2009 @ 7:49 pm

    Oh… that is easy… Here you go Myron; a Senator misquoting one of the Judge’s speach for political gain:

    From AP:

    LEAHY SAID: “You said that, quote, you ‘would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would reach wise decisions.’”

    THE FACTS: If that’s all Sotomayor said, the quote would barely have mattered to opponents of her nomination. The actual quote, delivered in a 2001 speech to law students at the University of California at Berkeley, was: “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”

    Oh… Wait, isn’t Sen. Leahy a Democrat?

    Darn… Tried to help you Myron.

    –never mind.

    BfC (5209ec)

  71. I doesn’t likes the way you racicists are attack this womans. It is very unfairing and ungood. Who say Justice must knows English? We be not Englanders. You be bad bad peoples. Bad. I am shame of yous. Shame shame!!!

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  72. A prodigy of them, Craig? Really? What does that make Biden and Sotomayor? Or Teh One?

    JD (7f75c9)

  73. Muerdan mi chorizo, Yanqui racistas. Ganamos!

    Sonia Sotomayor (8d88c9)

  74. we are amused that the grammar police came from “letmespellitoutforyou” and “onedeafears”…..
    it’s even funnier that they’re are wrong.

    Furthermore, our compliments to our distinguished colleague, “Stashiu3″, up there at #66, for pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  75. and Judge Sotomayor’s English is many orders of magnitude better than my own rudimentary Spanish

    I would be willing to overlook this “quirk” if she was interviewing for a job anywhere but on the highest court in the most powerful democracy on the earth. SCOTUS speaks to the world on what are laws represent with every decision – if they can’t even understand her decision in the first place, what does that say about the rest of us? The dumbing – down of our constituency continues apace.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  76. Oh, and one more thing, Myyyyyroooon – Bush speaks far better espanola than the Wise Latina speaka da Englese.’ Not even close, so stick that up your blowhole.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  77. For those of the Myron ilk who are having little conniptions over our criticisms of the Sotomayor testimony, let me make a suggestion:

    Cancel your “Why Obama and Everyone in His Government Will Lead Us to the Promised Land” seminar and spend an evening doing the following: Cue up selections of John Roberts’ testimony and take a good listen. When done, work your way through Sonia Sotomayor’s testimony. Then, to borrow Myron’s construct, forget that you are an !O!-phile Democrat and critically compare the impressions made by each nominee.

    Then and only then will all of you really understand why her performance is a dull blade compared to a razor sharp saber.

    If still unsure, repeat substituting Alito for Roberts.

    If still unsure repeatedly bang your head against your basement wall until the unicorns fly in your house.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  78. Could we get Norm Crosby in there to ask some questions?

    Dave (in MA) (037445)

  79. How positively racist of you, oppressor of brown people.

    JD (8f4186)

  80. JD is referring to me, of course.

    It’s an old label and tends to lose it’s bite when notified that the writer lurvs him his white chocolate lattes.

    Don’t spill any on your bib, JD!;-)

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  81. @ #78 – this might be the first time I’ve seen Norm Crosby mentioned in any blog comments section

    vinman (e1d1ce)

  82. Ha, vinman! I was just thinking that!

    Oh and I resemble your remark. You are casting asparagus upon me.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  83. This “commentary” is not worth my responding to, since my views remain unchanged and everyone knows them.

    However, the below might be worth y’all responding to. Just supports what I’ve been saying. Paranoia about her is outside the mainstream. Your own leaders don’t agree with your assessments. 70+ or 80+ votes for confirm, etc etc.

    Another example of the deep and perhaps irrevocable split between the party and its base, and between the base and the rest of America.

    Fron the A.P.:

    WASHINGTON — Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor drew praise from GOP skeptics as well as from Democratic supporters Thursday on her last day of Senate questioning that’s expected to lead to her confirmation.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., described Sotomayor’s judicial record as “generally in the mainstream.” He also said he thought she would keep an open mind on gun rights and proclaimed her “not an activist.”

    Graham, who earlier predicted Sotomayor would be confirmed barring a “meltdown,” said the 55-year-old appeals court judge had “said some things that just bug the hell out of me,” but he added that he thought she could separate those views from her job as a justice.

    “You have been very reassuring here today and throughout this hearing that you’re going to try to understand the difference between judging and whatever political feelings you have about groups or gender,” Graham said.

    Myron (98529a)

  84. By the way, for those of you who don’t like her way of speaking, don’t sweat it. You won’t be hearing much from her after confirmation. Just know she’ll be making some good decisions on behalf of the American people, even the clueless ones and even the ones who don’t care for wise Latinas or any Latino.

    Myron (98529a)

  85. We’ve not heard you back up your claims yet, Myron.

    SPQR (5811e9)

  86. RACISTS !!! That is the only arrow in Myron’s quiver.

    JD (cf5c9e)

  87. Y tu puedes morder mi chorizo tambien, Myricon. Yo soy una Latina sufija. No necessito un pato a me defende. Ne te necessito, no te quiero.

    Sonia Sotomayor (8d88c9)

  88. You sock!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  89. Your own leaders don’t agree with your assessments.

    What’s wrong, Myron – can’t understand how we may not follow talking points as we are expected to?

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  90. JD: Your deal is to claim that anyone who defends a nonwhite person can only be calling another person racist. In your view, there is no way they can possibly be defending the nonwhite person on that person’s merits, perhaps because you don’t conceive that a nonwhite person can have defensible merits.

    That’s the only arrow in YOUR quiver. You’ve got your quivers confused.

    Myron (98529a)

  91. What’s wrong, Myron – can’t understand how we may not follow talking points as we are expected to?

    On the contrary. I’m enjoying the grievous split in the conservative ranks. Carville I think predicted a split in the GOP this year. Maybe with this Palin character, that will be achievable.

    It’s good for the country — in the short run. We have a lot of things to do and don’t need obstructionists in the way.

    By all mean, hate your Republican leaders. (Seems that was an album title once, or should be.)

    Myron (98529a)

  92. “Nonwhite person”? Myricon, que a me hace “nonwhite”? Por que yo soy Puerto Riquena? Yo soy blanca, pato.

    Sonia Sotomayor (8d88c9)

  93. Nombre 87:

    ¿Qué hacer con su chorizo es entre tú y tu mano, amigo.

    Myron (98529a)

  94. Given the polling, Myron, with respect to Democrats’ increasingly unpopular policies, “obstructionists” are a majority of the American electorate.

    And the Democrats tactic of trying to push legislation without debate to avoid the American public realizing how much they don’t like it, only reinforces that the Democrats view the American public as a whole as “obstructionists”.

    Meanwhile, you still can’t confront the bottom line.

    SPQR (5811e9)

  95. Myron is a wonderful sycophantic sophist. And you are all racists. Hostile to minorities too.

    JD (d2a915)

  96. Does “look at her resume” constitute a defense of Sotomayor? I gave you 4 actual topical questions yesterday, and “look at her resume” was all we got from you Myron, before you told us we were hostile to minorities. I await your response.

    JD (d2a915)

  97. Comment by Myron — 7/16/2009 @ 10:39 am

    The Looney-Left has been predicting the imminent demise of Conservatism (and the GOP) for years – it seems to be an article of faith (part of the catechism of Modern Marxism?) on their part that the sentient part of the political spectrum will conveniently disappear, leaving them un-opposed.
    Well, it’s not going to happen, so get over it.

    AD - RtR/OS! (002e28)

  98. Nombre 87:

    ¿Qué hacer con su chorizo es entre tú y tu mano, amigo.

    Comment by Myron — 7/16/2009 @ 10:49 am

    El Myricon el no habla espanol y el no tienne Googlefu. Es uno pato, veramente.

    Sonia Sotomayor (8d88c9)

  99. I am no fan of Sotomayor and would prefer that she had not been nominated.

    However, the type of malopropism that Sotomajor has displayed in her questioning undoubtably arises from her being raised by parent(s) who did not speak english as their primary language and who did not/could not obtain a formal education.

    In my opinion, Sotomajor’s “broken english” just demonstrates the wonderful uniqueness of the United States. It is irrelevant to the issue of her confirmation and focusing on it smacks of elitism.

    Under what I perceive the Constitutional role of the Senate to be in confirming/rejecting nominations, Sotomajor should be confirmed. Having said that, I want to add that I am very glad that she will be able to hire law clerks to see that such poor english never appears in her written opinions.

    Page (dfa18b)

  100. Ok, enough of the shit. What makes Sonia Sotomayor “nonwhite”, Myron?

    nk (8d88c9)

  101. Law clerk for Sotomayor is likely to be a dead end job.

    nk (8d88c9)

  102. SPQR: Yes, the Republicans are polling through the roof. Math scholar: There are only two viable parties.

    Myron (98529a)

  103. AD – RtR/OS: Conservatism isn’t going anywhere. What the modern-day GOP represents is not conservatism, but extremism and celebration of ignorance. Conservatism is something else and will last no matter what happens with the GOP. It will eventually wise up, though, and add back the nuance and intellect it once had. The spirit of Buckley will live again, and we’ll be a better country for it.

    Myron (98529a)

  104. Careful, Page. Your logical point will lead to your being accused of being a race-baiter.

    Sarah (NK): Welcome, homegirl. I was missing your nonsense on this thread. What are you on about now?

    Myron (98529a)

  105. Comment by Myron — 7/16/2009 @ 11:43 am

    What are you on about now?

    Just looking to see who put the sand in your KY jelly.

    nk (8d88c9)

  106. “It’s much more likely she is nervous chatting with the committee. I wonder why she is nervous? It couldn’t be her background statements away from which she is doing the foxtrot?”

    Lying in front of Congress does take a lot of mental bandwidth, certainly more than being honest does.

    Travis Monitor (9e3371)

  107. What a pathetic little puto (same as pato)b you are. Does Moulitsas at least show you even an inkling of affection.

    nk (109a3f)

  108. Sarah said: “Just looking to see who put the sand in your KY jelly.”

    Oh. You’re on about nothing, as usual. Carry on then, sweetie.

    Myron (98529a)

  109. Myron, #102, do learn the definition of the logical fallacy of non sequitur.

    SPQR (5811e9)

  110. What the modern-day GOP represents is not conservatism, but extremism and celebration of ignorance.

    That cartoon of Republicans playing in your head, Myron, is a regular talking point for the progressive crowd, It’s also a load of Hoo-Hah.

    The “Main Street” Republicans are running the party and have screwed it up for sometime now. George Bush, for as much as I admire the man, was not a conservative in the traditional sense. He was one of them there “compassionate conservatives” strong in defense of country and cutting taxes but weak on limited government and spending.

    Not all conservatives are social cons and most social cons (and I count myself as one) are not one or two issue voters. Again, that is the talking point cartoon placed into your head by the likes of Huffpo, Kos and Moveon. Most conservatives, I dare say, are royally flaming pissed at the Republican Party as a whole for the inability of some RINO’s to stand up for traditional conservative principles. This whole “collegiality” thing with Democrats while government spins out of control is wearing very, very thin.

    As to the questioning of Sotomayor I’d like you to remember that Harry Reid decided to oppose Roberts’ nomination because he referred to his Hispanic friends as “my amigos.” The questions raised about Sotomayor’s Judicial philosophy, public remarks and her use and understanding of language wouldn’t even dent the tissue covering of what Dems did to Bork and Thomas.

    I must also respectfully disagree with Page. Proper use of language is paramount for someone who aspires to me a SC judge. She had several years at top notch schools to hone her understanding of the terms and words. If she cannot do it now that is less a product of her “upbringing” and more a result of her own falling short. I don’t say that to denigrate in any way her extraordinary accomplishments in her life but to just pass this off as “upbringing” seems, to me, to cheapen the process.

    Also, Myron, stop saying you have “things to do for America.” That is a bulls#*t phrase designed to hide the agenda. Opposing the “governmentation” of practically all corners of private life and screaming about the impending economic disaster of this agenda is reasoned and righteous and best for America. You want to argue that, feel free. But enough of the sanctimonious piffle about “obstructionists” only trying to retain the sort of country the founders envisioned.

    One wonders if Axelrod pays you by the keystroke or by the lick.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  111. Meanwhile, over in the real world, a quick vote is planned for Judge Sotomayor. She’s in before Aug. 7.

    Leahy wants a vote next week. The Repubs will delay a week perhaps, maybe two, just to look good and throw a bone to a few of the chuckleheads at this site and elsewhere.

    Maybe one last go-round on her background check, see if they can dig up something. Maybe have her do a written statement repudiating “wise Latina” or some such nonsense.

    Then we’ll have our new justice. Yay.

    To be so unqualified, scary and illiterate, this “wise Latina” sure is shooting on through the process in bipartisan fashion. My my.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071601455.html?hpid=topnews

    Myron (98529a)

  112. “…To be so unqualified, scary and illiterate, this “wise Latina” sure is shooting on through the process…”

    Which says quite a bit about the Senate of the United States, doesn’t it Myroon?

    AD - RtR/OS! (002e28)

  113. Myron: All we are doing is trading one liberal justice for another. Of course she’s going to be confirmed but it really doesn’t say anything significant about “bi-partisanship” other than … this time.

    If Kennedy decides to retire, just wait for the fireworks. Even from “Main Street Graham” I’d reckon.

    Did that last little narrative regurgitation earn you some more !O! dollars?

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  114. BJ: In answer to your points.

    The “Main Street” Republicans are running the party and have screwed it up for sometime now.

    Agreed. Though I would call them the K Street Republicans.

    George Bush … was not a conservative in the traditional sense.

    Mostly agree. He was a true social conservative. But he was big government, domestically. And his interventionist, busy-body foreign policy was anything but conservative.

    It wasn’t smart. It wasn’t Nixonian (the GOOD part of Nixon). It wasn’t what the country needed in a complex world.

    Not all conservatives are social cons and most social cons (and I count myself as one) are not one or two issue voters.

    Hey, I totally agree that not all GOP are socons. The nomination of McCain speaks to that. But the socons are generally the loudest. (I’m not talking about you, just the socon wing in general). They shout down everybody. And they’ve hijacked the party. It won’t last. When they are reduced back to playing their position (one-third of the three legs), the party will come back. But not before.

    As for Democrat vs. Republican behavior regarding judicial nominees, I’ve said elsewhere that the GOP has behaved better over the last 20 or so years. No question, not even close. The Bork and Thomas hearings speak for themselves. And Roberts deserved better than 22 “no” votes (including the one he got from Obama).

    I’d be surprised if Sotomayor doesn’t do high 70s or 80+.

    Lastly, when I use obstructionists I am talking about the GOP strategy of proposing only obstacles and no solutions. They generally want things to stay as they are, while Americans are hurting, to score points against the Dems. That’s obstructionism.

    Myron (98529a)

  115. Myron just cares about the identity politics resume, and being a sycophantic sophist for Teh One. Still waiting on answers, Myron. But I understand you are busy arguing with the caricatures in your head.

    JD (526caa)

  116. JD: You are the one who is obsessed with Sotomayor’s identity. Rather than chasing the mote in my eye, why not deal with the big 2-by-4 in your own?

    Myron (98529a)

  117. So basically, when Myron is talking about obstructionists, he’s talking about something else entirely and agrees that the term has no application to the current topic.

    Troll.

    SPQR (5811e9)

  118. Like The Brave Sir Robin of Python lore, Myyyrooon runs away as usual from any direct questioning of his continued asshattery:

    Brave Sir Robin ran away
    Bravely ran away, away
    When danger reared its ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled
    Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
    And gallantly he chickened out
    Bravely taking to his feet
    He beat a very brave retreat
    Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  119. BJ said: “All we are doing is trading one liberal justice for another.”

    I know. Which is one of the reasons I wondered at the vitriol leveled at Sotomayor, the source of it. She doesn’t move the chains.

    In fact, all the aging justices are liberal. Even at two terms, Obama might not move the chains. But you never can tell who might pull “Souter move” and drop out earlier than expected.

    And the bipartisanship I’m referring to is the overall spirit of the hearings and my expectation Soto will draw a number of Republican votes.

    I’ve heard some in the media call the questions “tough,” but they weren’t. They were just repetitive. Hatch did have some good questions. Sessions had a few. Kyl had a few. But that was it. Kid gloves compared to some I’ve seen.

    Myron (98529a)

  120. Oh, and I was referring to the vitriol leveled at her at this site.

    Myron (98529a)

  121. “…but extremism and celebration of ignorance…”

    Sounds more to me like Obama, Billy Ayers, that charade of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge they ran, and the connivance that was passed off as community organizing in Chicago. Add in the Code Pinko’s, MoveOn, Kos, and any one of the Soros non-think tanks, and you are dealing with some real extremeism and celebration of ignorance…

    An example? The South Shore African Village Collaborative…I didn’t know there were that many “Africans” on the south side of Chicago, let alone an entire “African” village…

    I’ll bet their kids really benefitted from the “Afro-centric” and “Social-Justice” grievance perpetuating cirriculum…

    Bob (99fc1b)

  122. SPQR: No. 117 suggests you are not able to follow the thread. Or else skipping around. Anyway, your problem, not mine.

    Myron (98529a)

  123. we are amused that the grammar police came from “letmespellitoutforyou” and “onedeafears”…..
    it’s even funnier that they’re are wrong.

    Furthermore, our compliments to our distinguished colleague, “Stashiu3″, up there at #66, for pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious.

    is my morning Coke over there, somewhere? i can’t find it…. %-)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  124. Bob: Oh oh.

    Campaign Re-Hash Alert.

    Turn off brain. Engage Old-Discredited-News Micro-Chip.

    (whirrr)

    Activate:

    Obama is a terrorist.
    He hung out in racist Rev. Wright’s church.
    Where is his birth certificate??
    What about his college records??? What happened to them????
    He’s related to some bad dudes in Kenya, right???
    What about his cousin/aunt/mother’s first cousin????
    ACORN!
    ACORN!
    ACORN!
    B. HUSSEIN Obama!!!!! Arrggh!!!

    Whew.

    Disengage.

    Loop and repeat.

    (Or maybe get a life. That’s another option.)

    Myron (98529a)

  125. Speaking of getting a life, I have to bounce for now. It’s been fun chatting with you knuckas as usual, and like always, I’ll check back in to see who left some mop-up snark, but otherwise, I’m out.

    As ever,

    your brother from another mother, Myron

    P.S. Bye for now, Sarah Palin(nk) XXXOOOXXX

    Myron (98529a)

  126. Hey, I totally agree that not all GOP are socons. The nomination of McCain speaks to that. But the socons are generally the loudest. (I’m not talking about you, just the socon wing in general). They shout down everybody. And they’ve hijacked the party.

    What exactly is the evidence for this assertion, Myron? Where are the social cons in the party hierarchy? Michael Steele? Boehner? Mitch McConnell? Why is Mitt Romney polling better than Sarah Palin, with Huckabee about even? When did this hijacking take place? Right after the election when Main or K street Republicans perpetuated one of the worst national election drubbings in history on the basis of seats lost?

    Dude, you need to turn off that projector.

    Again, Myron, this Coup D’etat that you think has been perpetuated on the Republican Party is a myth born of Democratic talking points. It has no basis in reality but is a convenient whipping horse for liberals to point and scream at.

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  127. So, you are a liar too? I could not care less what nationality or ethnicity she is, Myron. I care that she lied to the Committee, and does not understand rulings like Kelo, the 2nd Amendment, etc … To you, that is a feature, not a bug. Nominees to the Supreme Court should be special, in the good sense of the word. They once were.

    Page – This has nothing to do with upbringing. My Better Half grew up in a different country, lived in a refugee camp, and did not begin to learn English until the 3rd grade. There was no English spoken in her home, and she speaks not only without an accent, but markedly more intelligently than what we have heard in the last few days.

    JD (526caa)

  128. Can everyone out there really tell a clear difference between emminence and imminence when spoken?
    I understand the criticism of the rest of her goofs. If someone asks you to hand them a pen and your have a pincussion filled with pins in front of you would you ask, “Do you mean a Pin?”

    They sound pretty close to me. Close enough to be attributed to regional accents or some such. Just askin……

    pepster (a55c89)

  129. Being literate involves comprehension of both the written, and spoken word; and the ability to do both so that your reader, and listener, derives the same meaning from your words as what you intended to convey.

    AD - RtR/OS! (002e28)

  130. Myron, I would also like to know what makes Judge Sotomayor “nonwhite.” Perhaps you could use these standards to quantify it. Or maybe you are more of a purist, “one drop rule” kinda guy, eh?

    carlitos (024936)

  131. Uh, Myron…

    I hate to countermand that cartoonish reation you had in your #124 to my #121, but I didn’t cite any of the supposed old and discredited points you mentioned…

    I addressed my comments to your wild assertion of the GOP having a monopoly on extremists and that they somehow celebrate ignorance…

    We all know who’s responsible for dumbing down America for political purposes, the same group that recieves virtually all of the NEA and SEIU money in each election…

    The bottom line is summed up nicely here:

    http://www.thereturnofscipio.com/?p=2437

    Why don’t you actually try answering folks points instead of spinning wildly off on another topic based on the cartoon reality that is in your head…

    Reality; try it some time!

    Bob (99fc1b)

  132. And for the record, I eat my chorizo with eggs and corn tortillas.

    carlitos (024936)

  133. Come on you dirty little maricon (Byron)! Tell us what makes Sotomayor “nonwhite”, puto!

    nk (8d88c9)

  134. All the snark here is yours, Myron. That’s the result of your trolling.

    SPQR (5811e9)

  135. But I understand you are busy arguing with the caricatures in your head.

    Comment by JD — 7/16/2009 @ 12:42 pm

    More like trying to find sand-free Ky Jelly for the sex toys in his ___.

    nk (8d88c9)

  136. Creeps like Myron are a thing of the moment — usually due to the failure of the AZT cocktail.

    nk (8d88c9)

  137. A prodigy of them, Craig? Really? What does that make Biden and Sotomayor? Or Teh One?

    Yes. Yes. Biden and Sotomayor both seem to make more than their share of them. They, too, could be termed prodigies. As for Obama, depends upon whether the teleprompter is on (and running the correct script) or off (or running the wrong script). Off teleprompter, Obama can sound like a blithering idiot. I’m not sure he makes a lot of malapropisms, at least I haven’t heard a lot of them from Obama. But blithering idiot seems to cover at least some of his off teleprompter statements.

    Craig R. Harmon (690668)

  138. So a TLE writes, as he or she leaves:

    “..I have to bounce for now..”

    Really? “Bounce”? That is just about as cool as Bob Saget using gangsta lingo. Except he has millions and millions of dollars.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  139. That means it’s done all it’s paid to do for the day, Eric. Let’s look out for the second shift.

    nk (8d88c9)

  140. Can everyone out there really tell a clear difference between eminence and imminence when spoken?
    I understand the criticism of the rest of her goofs. If someone asks you to hand them a pen and your have a pincussion filled with pins in front of you would you ask, “Do you mean a Pin?”

    They sound pretty close to me. Close enough to be attributed to regional accents or some such. Just askin……

    Comment by pepster — 7/16/2009 @ 1:33 pm

    I guess I’d have to have people with many different accents say both words in order to say for sure but listening to Sotomayer speak, what comes out sounds precisely like what would come out if she were intending to say ‘eminent’ (high, lofty; an inappropriate word in this context) and nothing at all like she intended to say ‘imminent’ (likely to happen without delay; the word that is appropriate in this context). So the quick answer is, no, I don’t know that there is no regional accent that would make a speaker who is intending to say ‘imminent’ sound like she is saying ‘eminent’. My gut feeling is that she confused the two words.

    Craig R. Harmon (690668)

  141. Hi nk:

    Oh, I know that Myron was trying to sound “hep to the jive, daddy-o.” But I watch the lingo change between freshman and senior years for the students.

    So I am underwhelmed by Myron’s “see how cool and hip I am” act. Sort of like Jon Stewart or David Letterman. A high irony diet does not always flatter.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  142. Speaking of getting a life, I have to bounce for now

    Brave Sir Robin runs away, with his tail tucked firmly between his legs. But the question must be asked of Brave Sir Robin as we view his backside in motion – if he actually had a semblance of a life, why would he be wasting it by Trollbotting here ad infinitum?

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  143. Sort of like Jon Stewart or David Letterman.

    More like Jerry Lewis.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  144. #63

    You might be right but as far as I know there is no requirement that a Supreme Court Justice be born in the US. So to me the matter is moot.

    However regarding the presidency there is a requirement. Proof has not been established except in the minds of those who wish to believe.

    I do require proof however. Obama remains our first Kenyan president.

    Thomas Jackson (8ffd46)

  145. I have listened to this again and I think you are picking nits. To my tone deaf ear the two words sound almost identical when spoken just like pin and pen. When said quickly they are almost indecipherable (to me). Here is a link to a guy who is in the news for another reason.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/

    Right at the beginning of the clip he says Capitol Heal. It is obviously his accent/manner of speaking. I am fairly certain he knows the difference between the two words and could spell them if asked. From the context alone I understood he was saying hill and likewise there was absolutely no confusion when Sotomayor spoke. I am not a fan and hope she doesn’t get confirmed but I think you all have completely jumped the shark on this one.

    pepster (beecef)

  146. OMG, grammatical errors? How rich! This is representative of a longstanding commitment to caring about grammar, as with all of Dubya’s made-up words and misstatements totally fresh and new! And just so gosh darn funny to boot! Well done, sir, well done.

    Tom (04f1d9)

  147. In reading many comments submitted throughout the multitude of news sites and blogs, it seems that open bias and prejudice based on ignorance is a point of pride for many given the way in which it is so proudly on display. First, latins are not a race but an ethnicity because we come in all races including white (Spain, Ireland, Italy, Germany, Greece, etc), yellow (China, Japan) and black (Africa). Our religions are also extensive including that right wing favorite Christian Fundamentalism, and the more predominant Roman Catholic which of course is conservative but not included in the preferred Neo-Nazi lists. So before you uninformed white people mouth off about who is what, read a stinking history book of something that is not one-sided. If the woman speaks funny, it probably isn’t because she is latin but rather than she grew up in the Bronx. Like many latins, her spanish probably sucks because more than 75% have english as our dominant language. George HW Bush has a mind that outpaces his mouth but George W Bush has a mind that is outpaced by just about everything. As to SCOTUS, you have a minority who is an idiot and should not be there but is loved by those who agree with his views, you have an old white guy who refuses to retire or die in order to save the liberal day, and a Chief Justice who should have been hired at entry level rather than given charge of the company.

    Latina (94b1d2)


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