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		<title>By: The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; What if Obamacare fails?</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-518996</link>
		<dc:creator>The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; What if Obamacare fails?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cloud of gloom over Pres. Obama&#8217;s efforts to take over the US healthcare system is expanding beyond the Center-Left. Even Ezra Klein is occasionally allowing himself to realize that people do not want to pay higher [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cloud of gloom over Pres. Obama&#8217;s efforts to take over the US healthcare system is expanding beyond the Center-Left. Even Ezra Klein is occasionally allowing himself to realize that people do not want to pay higher [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JVW</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517525</link>
		<dc:creator>JVW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Chris (12:20) made my point as I was drafting my comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Chris (12:20) made my point as I was drafting my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: JVW</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517523</link>
		<dc:creator>JVW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, we &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24793.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hear from&lt;/a&gt; the tax and spend wing of the Democrat party as to how they want to pay for all of this.  Is there any Democrat in Washington sane enough to recognize the folly of shifting the costs for this all to the top income households?  Do they understand that the more the tax burden is placed on a small group of top earners the more widely the revenue from that group will fluctuate based upon economic conditions, and therefore the more unstable our budgeting process will become?  Has Washington learned nothing from California&#039;s problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, we <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24793.html" rel="nofollow">hear from</a> the tax and spend wing of the Democrat party as to how they want to pay for all of this.  Is there any Democrat in Washington sane enough to recognize the folly of shifting the costs for this all to the top income households?  Do they understand that the more the tax burden is placed on a small group of top earners the more widely the revenue from that group will fluctuate based upon economic conditions, and therefore the more unstable our budgeting process will become?  Has Washington learned nothing from California&#8217;s problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Another Chris</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517520</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Powers is following the same reinterpretive framework that the Dems have followed for years (the &quot;What&#039;s the Matter with Kansas?&quot; philosophy).  What she&#039;s essentially saying is that Obama should lie to get more people to support his healthcare plans.

The fundamental problem with implementing ANY kind of government-run healthcare scheme isn&#039;t that people don&#039;t support it, it&#039;s that they expect everyone else but themselves to pay for it, as Karl has pointed out several times now.  Well, if we are &quot;out of money,&quot; as Obama has said, who the hell is going to pay for it?  

That&#039;s why the Dems are floating things like this absurd, California-style &quot;surcharge&quot; on high-earner&#039;s taxes to help pay for this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Powers is following the same reinterpretive framework that the Dems have followed for years (the &#8220;What&#8217;s the Matter with Kansas?&#8221; philosophy).  What she&#8217;s essentially saying is that Obama should lie to get more people to support his healthcare plans.</p>
<p>The fundamental problem with implementing ANY kind of government-run healthcare scheme isn&#8217;t that people don&#8217;t support it, it&#8217;s that they expect everyone else but themselves to pay for it, as Karl has pointed out several times now.  Well, if we are &#8220;out of money,&#8221; as Obama has said, who the hell is going to pay for it?  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the Dems are floating things like this absurd, California-style &#8220;surcharge&#8221; on high-earner&#8217;s taxes to help pay for this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: MayBee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517461</link>
		<dc:creator>MayBee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He does not like accountability because he has never been held accountable in the past.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He does not like accountability because he has never been held accountable in the past.</i></p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jackson</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517407</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4

Nice post.  Clearly the US system towers above one payer, centralized systems.  Such centralized systems do not provide healthcare, they ration it.  The Left will not admit it.

When Medicare was proposed we were told it would reduce costs and cover more Americamns.  What it did do was bankrupt the government and drive healthcare costs up through the roof.  Government meddling is more responsible for the vast increase of medical costs compared to inflation, than any other factor.  Compound government mandates such as emergency room service and you begin to see what government has wrought.

Americans understand the service and effectiveness of government everytime they call the IRS for information or have to deal with any government agency.  I doubt anyone will believe that government control of healthcare will result in better healthcare.

And as always its hard to sell a program that the Congress speciffically exempts itself from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4</p>
<p>Nice post.  Clearly the US system towers above one payer, centralized systems.  Such centralized systems do not provide healthcare, they ration it.  The Left will not admit it.</p>
<p>When Medicare was proposed we were told it would reduce costs and cover more Americamns.  What it did do was bankrupt the government and drive healthcare costs up through the roof.  Government meddling is more responsible for the vast increase of medical costs compared to inflation, than any other factor.  Compound government mandates such as emergency room service and you begin to see what government has wrought.</p>
<p>Americans understand the service and effectiveness of government everytime they call the IRS for information or have to deal with any government agency.  I doubt anyone will believe that government control of healthcare will result in better healthcare.</p>
<p>And as always its hard to sell a program that the Congress speciffically exempts itself from.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[P]eople, even liberals, are starting to get unnerved by the cost of all this. &lt;/i&gt;

Which is why Obama, in some basic ways, really is an ultra-liberal. But considering his background, with people like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright, should anyone be surprised by any of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[P]eople, even liberals, are starting to get unnerved by the cost of all this. </i></p>
<p>Which is why Obama, in some basic ways, really is an ultra-liberal. But considering his background, with people like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright, should anyone be surprised by any of this?</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517366</link>
		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MayBee - I agree with Imelda too.  Obama keeps pointing at those motherfarkers for designing the bills as if they weren&#039;t what he wanted.  That way he can keep pretending to vote present and avoid blame for the worst provisions unless people hold his feet to the fire.  He does not like accountability because he has never been held accountable in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MayBee &#8211; I agree with Imelda too.  Obama keeps pointing at those motherfarkers for designing the bills as if they weren&#8217;t what he wanted.  That way he can keep pretending to vote present and avoid blame for the worst provisions unless people hold his feet to the fire.  He does not like accountability because he has never been held accountable in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: MayBee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/10/obamacare-faces-a-backlash-from-the-center-left/comment-page-1/#comment-517360</link>
		<dc:creator>MayBee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He never fails to assert that government will make it all better cause of government loves you very very much. He doesn’t want government held responsible for something that goes wrong I think.&lt;/i&gt;

True.
But sometimes, Washington really screws with &lt;i&gt;government&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He never fails to assert that government will make it all better cause of government loves you very very much. He doesn’t want government held responsible for something that goes wrong I think.</i></p>
<p>True.<br />
But sometimes, Washington really screws with <i>government</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: happyfeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>happyfeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He never fails to assert that government will make it all better cause of government loves you very very much. He doesn&#039;t want &lt;i&gt;government&lt;/i&gt; held responsible for something that goes wrong I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He never fails to assert that government will make it all better cause of government loves you very very much. He doesn&#8217;t want <i>government</i> held responsible for something that goes wrong I think.</p>
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