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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-517127</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m for health care reform, and I want to see it done soon.  I don&#039;t care what party does it... this issue is not going away considering our nation keeps getting older and our health care system consistenty ranks lower and lower in comparison with other nations.  

Note: The current United States&#039; rankings on life expectancy, water quality and infant mortality are 24th, 39th and 41st respectively falling behind countries such as Bosnia, Cuba, Panama, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.

If we really have &quot;the best health care&quot; on the planet, why doesn&#039;t it show itself?  Why are we not even in the top fifty when it comes to prenatal care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m for health care reform, and I want to see it done soon.  I don&#8217;t care what party does it&#8230; this issue is not going away considering our nation keeps getting older and our health care system consistenty ranks lower and lower in comparison with other nations.  </p>
<p>Note: The current United States&#8217; rankings on life expectancy, water quality and infant mortality are 24th, 39th and 41st respectively falling behind countries such as Bosnia, Cuba, Panama, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.</p>
<p>If we really have &#8220;the best health care&#8221; on the planet, why doesn&#8217;t it show itself?  Why are we not even in the top fifty when it comes to prenatal care?</p>
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		<title>By: Dmac</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516421</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is roughly 50% of the adult population at present, so gosh, wonder what those who don&#039;t py any taxes will prefer? 

Juan, I&#039;ve been screaming about term limits for all congressional critters and local politicos for years now, with no success at getting the measure on the ballot here. Too much resistance from the entrenched pols and their handmaidens, and the local citizenry still seems comatose most of the time. But they may finally be waking up, and even though I realize that term limits are far from the panacea as some supporters claim, I feel strongly that it&#039;s the only way to get the special interests and gerrymandered congressional folks out of office when they&#039;re way past due. If a politico has proven their past effectiveness in office to their constituency, they can always run for a higher office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is roughly 50% of the adult population at present, so gosh, wonder what those who don&#8217;t py any taxes will prefer? </p>
<p>Juan, I&#8217;ve been screaming about term limits for all congressional critters and local politicos for years now, with no success at getting the measure on the ballot here. Too much resistance from the entrenched pols and their handmaidens, and the local citizenry still seems comatose most of the time. But they may finally be waking up, and even though I realize that term limits are far from the panacea as some supporters claim, I feel strongly that it&#8217;s the only way to get the special interests and gerrymandered congressional folks out of office when they&#8217;re way past due. If a politico has proven their past effectiveness in office to their constituency, they can always run for a higher office.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516377</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Universal healthcare will save small businesses money!  I promise.  It will just cause everyone who is an actual taxpayer a crapload.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Universal healthcare will save small businesses money!  I promise.  It will just cause everyone who is an actual taxpayer a crapload.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516374</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its my opinion that &quot;health care&quot; is far to broad of a scope of any administration to tackle.  Here are some examples which in my humblest opinion should all be handled seprately:

Medicaid-  This whole system has become a complete money sink.  People deserve healthcare, what people do not deserve is the huge overhead costs of running this system, the trickle down of money/services to the end user is deplorable.  When taxpayers fund this program with 40B and only 10B is actually benefitting the people in need, a reorginization of program is immedialy necessary.  This not only goes for Medicaid, but Medicare, Veteran Healthcare and a managarie of other governmental programs which do nothing but it up its budget in operating expenses.

At one time these programs were good programs, however, it has become apparant that over time it has cost taxpayers more to run these programs administrativly then the benefit to the public.

On the off topic, I think ALL of Americas &quot;assistance&quot; plans need reformation, we have so many defunct and costly systems (Unemployment, Job Centers, Public Assistance, Education Departments) which are outdated and are costing us ALOT in which we see nothing but worsening of the situation coming out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its my opinion that &#8220;health care&#8221; is far to broad of a scope of any administration to tackle.  Here are some examples which in my humblest opinion should all be handled seprately:</p>
<p>Medicaid-  This whole system has become a complete money sink.  People deserve healthcare, what people do not deserve is the huge overhead costs of running this system, the trickle down of money/services to the end user is deplorable.  When taxpayers fund this program with 40B and only 10B is actually benefitting the people in need, a reorginization of program is immedialy necessary.  This not only goes for Medicaid, but Medicare, Veteran Healthcare and a managarie of other governmental programs which do nothing but it up its budget in operating expenses.</p>
<p>At one time these programs were good programs, however, it has become apparant that over time it has cost taxpayers more to run these programs administrativly then the benefit to the public.</p>
<p>On the off topic, I think ALL of Americas &#8220;assistance&#8221; plans need reformation, we have so many defunct and costly systems (Unemployment, Job Centers, Public Assistance, Education Departments) which are outdated and are costing us ALOT in which we see nothing but worsening of the situation coming out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: AD - RtR/OS!</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516327</link>
		<dc:creator>AD - RtR/OS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just the public, but the Legislators themselves.  
Or, why would Steny Hoyer be so adamant about not posting a complete bill for them to read before the vote.
When Caligula appointed his horse to the Senate, he set a terrible precedent.  Now it seems we have 535 of them sitting in judgement of what the rest of us may do in this life.  
I wonder what kind of bit works best on an Appropriations Chairman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just the public, but the Legislators themselves.<br />
Or, why would Steny Hoyer be so adamant about not posting a complete bill for them to read before the vote.<br />
When Caligula appointed his horse to the Senate, he set a terrible precedent.  Now it seems we have 535 of them sitting in judgement of what the rest of us may do in this life.<br />
I wonder what kind of bit works best on an Appropriations Chairman?</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516325</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this whole &#039;the last time they had a convention they threw the whole mess out and started from scratch&#039; doesn&#039;t really sound all that bad.

And I wonder if we&#039;re getting to the point where a bunch of red states could be sufficiently polarized to go ahead and try a significant reform.  Term limits for Senators and Congressmen, Balanced Budget, doing something about Raich.

We&#039;ll see, but it&#039;s clear the status quo is hopeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this whole &#8216;the last time they had a convention they threw the whole mess out and started from scratch&#8217; doesn&#8217;t really sound all that bad.</p>
<p>And I wonder if we&#8217;re getting to the point where a bunch of red states could be sufficiently polarized to go ahead and try a significant reform.  Term limits for Senators and Congressmen, Balanced Budget, doing something about Raich.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see, but it&#8217;s clear the status quo is hopeless.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory of Yardale</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516322</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory of Yardale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, basically, the more the public knows about a piece of legislation, the less they will support passing it. 

Does this not tell you something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, basically, the more the public knows about a piece of legislation, the less they will support passing it. </p>
<p>Does this not tell you something?</p>
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		<title>By: AD - RtR/OS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD - RtR/OS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunset Provisions...
Sure would put a &quot;knot in the knickers&quot; of base-line budgeting.
The only way to get such an amendment out of the Congress would be for 36 state legislatures to pass resolutions calling for a Constitutional Convention to take up such a matter, and 2 other state legislatures to have the resolution calendared.
This tactic has worked in the past (the exact amendment escapes me at the moment) only because the agenda at any Convention would be difficult to control (see: 1787), and the delegates selected by the various State Legislatures might want to reel-in some of the powers that Congress has abrogated to itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunset Provisions&#8230;<br />
Sure would put a &#8220;knot in the knickers&#8221; of base-line budgeting.<br />
The only way to get such an amendment out of the Congress would be for 36 state legislatures to pass resolutions calling for a Constitutional Convention to take up such a matter, and 2 other state legislatures to have the resolution calendared.<br />
This tactic has worked in the past (the exact amendment escapes me at the moment) only because the agenda at any Convention would be difficult to control (see: 1787), and the delegates selected by the various State Legislatures might want to reel-in some of the powers that Congress has abrogated to itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516307</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a pretty damn sad commentary.

This health care story is, without question, much more central, the stakes are higher, and the urgency is paramount.

Of course, Obama doesn&#039;t want us to be thinking about that.  He wants us to be thinking about Russia, Palin, and perhaps even unemployment and Israel.  We can focus on healthcare after he&#039;s got his law and he needs us to ignore whatever he&#039;s pushing at that point.

Hoyer is laughing at the idea of reading the bill before voting on it.  Much less it being available for me to read 72 hours prior to the vote.  This is a crisis that just can&#039;t wait those three days.  Like the stimulus, which basically has barely even taken effect yet.

Why can&#039;t they rush through their health care bill with a sunset provision?  Honestly, I wish every mere act of congress had a sunset provision.  That would be a pretty cool amendment to the constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a pretty damn sad commentary.</p>
<p>This health care story is, without question, much more central, the stakes are higher, and the urgency is paramount.</p>
<p>Of course, Obama doesn&#8217;t want us to be thinking about that.  He wants us to be thinking about Russia, Palin, and perhaps even unemployment and Israel.  We can focus on healthcare after he&#8217;s got his law and he needs us to ignore whatever he&#8217;s pushing at that point.</p>
<p>Hoyer is laughing at the idea of reading the bill before voting on it.  Much less it being available for me to read 72 hours prior to the vote.  This is a crisis that just can&#8217;t wait those three days.  Like the stimulus, which basically has barely even taken effect yet.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t they rush through their health care bill with a sunset provision?  Honestly, I wish every mere act of congress had a sunset provision.  That would be a pretty cool amendment to the constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/07/obamacare-at-recess/comment-page-1/#comment-516301</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note how we can get literally hundreds of comments about some slutty stewardess snowbilly, but not even 20 about how Teh One is going to destroy our healthcare system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note how we can get literally hundreds of comments about some slutty stewardess snowbilly, but not even 20 about how Teh One is going to destroy our healthcare system.</p>
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