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		<title>By: Apogee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/01/honduras-update/comment-page-4/#comment-519112</link>
		<dc:creator>Apogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the U.S. has a long history of supporting dictators in small central american countries when it serves their greedy purposes!&lt;/i&gt;

Continued by the dictator loving socialist scumbag Obama, who &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; hasn&#039;t backed away from his alliance with Chavez and Castro against the Honduran people.

Yes, dumb Obamabot, please keep this story alive.  The world needs to know the actions of the asshole you support.

Shove your bullshit socialist propaganda up your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the U.S. has a long history of supporting dictators in small central american countries when it serves their greedy purposes!</i></p>
<p>Continued by the dictator loving socialist scumbag Obama, who <i>still</i> hasn&#8217;t backed away from his alliance with Chavez and Castro against the Honduran people.</p>
<p>Yes, dumb Obamabot, please keep this story alive.  The world needs to know the actions of the asshole you support.</p>
<p>Shove your bullshit socialist propaganda up your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/01/honduras-update/comment-page-4/#comment-519105</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In contrast to David, &lt;a href=&quot;http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/19b56b54-6c8d-4b08-a3e3-060dbdf0acba&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here is someone who knows the story&lt;/a&gt;. This part was interesting:

&lt;i&gt;The Honduran Minority leader: Antonio Rivera, explained to me that the political
landscape began to change when Castro and Ortega sent in &lt;b&gt;900 teachers&lt;/b&gt; to help the
poor in the country. They began organizing and indoctrinating almost immediately.
&lt;/i&gt;

Doesn&#039;t this sound a bit like our teachers&#039; unions and what has happened in California ? Anybody wonder why Civics is no linger taught in US schools ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In contrast to David, <a href="http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/19b56b54-6c8d-4b08-a3e3-060dbdf0acba" rel="nofollow">here is someone who knows the story</a>. This part was interesting:</p>
<p><i>The Honduran Minority leader: Antonio Rivera, explained to me that the political<br />
landscape began to change when Castro and Ortega sent in <b>900 teachers</b> to help the<br />
poor in the country. They began organizing and indoctrinating almost immediately.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this sound a bit like our teachers&#8217; unions and what has happened in California ? Anybody wonder why Civics is no linger taught in US schools ?</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/01/honduras-update/comment-page-4/#comment-519099</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Thank you for the laugh.  Could I subscribe to your newsletter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; Thank you for the laugh.  Could I subscribe to your newsletter?</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Did you even read the thread or the post itself?  Never mind, the rest of your screed shows how deranged you are.  Those black helicopters are outside your house right now.  Seriously.  If you don&#039;t see them, it&#039;s because of the alien stealth technology used by the CIA.  If you just upload a computer virus into their operating system, the ship will explode and you&#039;ll be safe.  I recommend PowerPoint.  They&#039;ll never see it coming.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Did you even read the thread or the post itself?  Never mind, the rest of your screed shows how deranged you are.  Those black helicopters are outside your house right now.  Seriously.  If you don&#8217;t see them, it&#8217;s because of the alien stealth technology used by the CIA.  If you just upload a computer virus into their operating system, the ship will explode and you&#8217;ll be safe.  I recommend PowerPoint.  They&#8217;ll never see it coming.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who is not blind, deaf, and dumb, it is quite clear that Michelleti led a military coup that is completely undemocratic and tramples on the fundamental rights of citizens to vote for a referendum that would allow a president to be democratically elected by the people.  This is, clear and simple, what Honduran citizens were going to vote on.  In case any body has forgotten, the U.S. allows people to elect their president (at least on paper): the opposite of this is a freakin military dictatorship as has taken place in Honduras.  Also, it is not a far stretch of the imagination to smell CIA involvement in a Central American country where the U.S. still has a military base.  Wouldn´t it be convenient for the U.S. to have a country whose oppresive politics they could control so as to have cheaper bananas.  This would not be setting a precedent, as the U.S. has a long history of supporting dictators in small central american countries when it serves their greedy purposes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who is not blind, deaf, and dumb, it is quite clear that Michelleti led a military coup that is completely undemocratic and tramples on the fundamental rights of citizens to vote for a referendum that would allow a president to be democratically elected by the people.  This is, clear and simple, what Honduran citizens were going to vote on.  In case any body has forgotten, the U.S. allows people to elect their president (at least on paper): the opposite of this is a freakin military dictatorship as has taken place in Honduras.  Also, it is not a far stretch of the imagination to smell CIA involvement in a Central American country where the U.S. still has a military base.  Wouldn´t it be convenient for the U.S. to have a country whose oppresive politics they could control so as to have cheaper bananas.  This would not be setting a precedent, as the U.S. has a long history of supporting dictators in small central american countries when it serves their greedy purposes!</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chavez was also knocked out of power for a couple of days.  He didn&#039;t waste any time destroying freedoms when he was let back in.

Zelaya in power = a dictator who owes Obama favors.  Chicago style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chavez was also knocked out of power for a couple of days.  He didn&#8217;t waste any time destroying freedoms when he was let back in.</p>
<p>Zelaya in power = a dictator who owes Obama favors.  Chicago style.</p>
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		<title>By: Pons Asinorum</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/01/honduras-update/comment-page-4/#comment-516360</link>
		<dc:creator>Pons Asinorum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news, our Sec of State has a plan; it’s called “no-plan-and-hope-for-the-best”.
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090708/wl_nm/us_honduras_84&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from Yahoo AP, Patrick Markey and Dan Trotta, 07/08/09&lt;/a&gt;): Throwing Washington&#039;s weight behind [Costa Rican President Oscar Arias, a Nobel Peace Prize winner] Arias&#039; role, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged Zelaya in a meeting on Tuesday to &quot;try the dialogue process and see where it leads&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh and meet our new U.S. assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, Arturo Valenzuela (in the same article).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Valenzuela acknowledged &quot;probably ... significant influence&quot; from Chavez on Zelaya, but said the Honduran military should not have deposed and exiled Zelaya without judicial process. Supporters of the coup in Honduras say it was a lawful removal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess the unanimous&lt;a href=&quot;”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Honduras Supreme Court ruling&lt;/a&gt; does not count and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-06-28-honduras-president_N.htm?csp=34&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the subsequent vote of the Honduran Congress&lt;/a&gt; is meaningless (who told the Honduran People they could govern their country anyway?). After all it is just Honduras; they don&#039;t know what they&#039;re doing. Good thing this Valezuela is so much smarter than Honduras, he&#039;ll straighten them out.

-

Too bad this guy retired from the Obama Administration. He seemed to have a clue; probably why he retired.

&lt;blockquote&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/detail.jsp?key=407827&amp;rc=wo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from Washington Post, M.B. Sheridan, 07/06/09&lt;/a&gt;): &quot;The threats against democracy in Latin America, and I don&#039;t in any way minimize what&#039;s happened in Honduras . . . are not those coming from military coups, but rather from governments which are ignoring checks and balances, overriding other elements of government,&quot; said Jeffrey Davidow, a retired U.S. ambassador who served as President Obama&#039;s special adviser for the recent Summit of the Americas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news, our Sec of State has a plan; it’s called “no-plan-and-hope-for-the-best”.</p>
<blockquote><p>(<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090708/wl_nm/us_honduras_84" rel="nofollow">from Yahoo AP, Patrick Markey and Dan Trotta, 07/08/09</a>): Throwing Washington&#8217;s weight behind [Costa Rican President Oscar Arias, a Nobel Peace Prize winner] Arias&#8217; role, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged Zelaya in a meeting on Tuesday to &#8220;try the dialogue process and see where it leads&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh and meet our new U.S. assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, Arturo Valenzuela (in the same article).</p>
<blockquote><p>Valenzuela acknowledged &#8220;probably &#8230; significant influence&#8221; from Chavez on Zelaya, but said the Honduran military should not have deposed and exiled Zelaya without judicial process. Supporters of the coup in Honduras say it was a lawful removal.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess the unanimous<a href="”" rel="nofollow"> Honduras Supreme Court ruling</a> does not count and <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-06-28-honduras-president_N.htm?csp=34" rel="nofollow">the subsequent vote of the Honduran Congress</a> is meaningless (who told the Honduran People they could govern their country anyway?). After all it is just Honduras; they don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re doing. Good thing this Valezuela is so much smarter than Honduras, he&#8217;ll straighten them out.</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Too bad this guy retired from the Obama Administration. He seemed to have a clue; probably why he retired.</p>
<blockquote><p>(<a href="http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/detail.jsp?key=407827&amp;rc=wo" rel="nofollow">from Washington Post, M.B. Sheridan, 07/06/09</a>): &#8220;The threats against democracy in Latin America, and I don&#8217;t in any way minimize what&#8217;s happened in Honduras . . . are not those coming from military coups, but rather from governments which are ignoring checks and balances, overriding other elements of government,&#8221; said Jeffrey Davidow, a retired U.S. ambassador who served as President Obama&#8217;s special adviser for the recent Summit of the Americas.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Pons Asinorum</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/01/honduras-update/comment-page-4/#comment-515809</link>
		<dc:creator>Pons Asinorum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Apogee, I think every contributor on this thread that spoke on the behalf of the Honduras People nailed it dead-on. Any fair-minded person can see the logical and ethical compulsion to support the Honduras People on this issue (it&#039;s really not even a close call from a moral perspective). 

Glad to contribute, as for the question:

&quot;You and your Dear Leader don’t much care for constitutional republics or the rule of law, do you?”

As much as I wish I could take credit (I think it is exactly accurate), the writer is &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-514851&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve&lt;/a&gt; (note the capital &quot;s&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Apogee, I think every contributor on this thread that spoke on the behalf of the Honduras People nailed it dead-on. Any fair-minded person can see the logical and ethical compulsion to support the Honduras People on this issue (it&#8217;s really not even a close call from a moral perspective). </p>
<p>Glad to contribute, as for the question:</p>
<p>&#8220;You and your Dear Leader don’t much care for constitutional republics or the rule of law, do you?”</p>
<p>As much as I wish I could take credit (I think it is exactly accurate), the writer is <a href="#comment-514851" rel="nofollow">Steve</a> (note the capital &#8220;s&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Apogee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/07/01/honduras-update/comment-page-4/#comment-515650</link>
		<dc:creator>Apogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daleyrocks - &lt;i&gt;is the way to tell them apart.&lt;/i&gt;

Another way is to read their comments.  Capital Steve is obviously intelligent and makes sense, while steve...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daleyrocks &#8211; <i>is the way to tell them apart.</i></p>
<p>Another way is to read their comments.  Capital Steve is obviously intelligent and makes sense, while steve&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The better than everyone else Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The better than everyone else Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m not the only one to say this, but the constrast between Obama&#039;s treatment of Iran and Honduras is the scariest thing I&#039;ve seen from the White House since 1979.

Yeah, Mccain wasn&#039;t perfect, but this is exactly what we were talking about when we begged conservatives to help him.  Ultimately, it was up to mccain to make his own argument, and he didn&#039;t.  But he was still right.  Obama as an avenue to &#039;true conservative&#039; was not in the USA&#039;s best interest and probably won&#039;t even result in a true conservative.  

At this point, die hards would probably vote for Dukakis over Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m not the only one to say this, but the constrast between Obama&#8217;s treatment of Iran and Honduras is the scariest thing I&#8217;ve seen from the White House since 1979.</p>
<p>Yeah, Mccain wasn&#8217;t perfect, but this is exactly what we were talking about when we begged conservatives to help him.  Ultimately, it was up to mccain to make his own argument, and he didn&#8217;t.  But he was still right.  Obama as an avenue to &#8216;true conservative&#8217; was not in the USA&#8217;s best interest and probably won&#8217;t even result in a true conservative.  </p>
<p>At this point, die hards would probably vote for Dukakis over Obama.</p>
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