Comments on: Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill Vote

By: daleyrocks

daleyrocks — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:39:16 +0000

“Read a bit about how NAFTA was passed.”

imdw – My recollection is that George Bush signed the treaty before he left office and Clinton didn’t alter it before presenting it to Congress for passage. Congress ultimately passed it in late 1993, with a lot of favor swapping promised by Clinton, who actually never followed up on most of his promises, to gain the necessary votes for passage. Do you have a different recollection?

By: Eric Blair

Eric Blair — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:00:15 +0000

“…and then tell me how many congressmen you think read all the bills passed….?

I’m so glad to hear, imdw, that the possibility of these goofballs not reading the bills they vote on does not concern you.

Like 300 page amendments added the night before voting.

And remember: this unread bill will be impacting tax rates and energy prices paid by every American. But you simply shrug and say (I think) that this is just the way that politics is done.

And all that is fine, if you don’t mind handing your wallet over to people who cannot even bother to read the bills that they want to make into law. Keep in mind that you think it is all okay, as details about that bill become more apparent. Heck, I’ll bet you a hundred dollars that Pelosi hadn’t read it before voting. Want to take that bet?

But I think most Americans haven’t really accepted that “business as usual” mindset, especially when the results hit them in the pocketbook. I think the result will not be quite as forgiving as you are.

By the way, implying “…Republicans do it too” does not help your case. Given how the Left has carried on about Republican governing in particular.

Shouldn’t you all be better? And…for example…demand that the President actually follow through on his campaign promises. In particular, the one about public review of bills?

Hope and Change…from Chicago!

By: JD

JD — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:54:35 +0000

You assert this is not new, imdw. Please show us where a bill for nearly a trillion dollars and over 1300 pages long was not provided to the minority party until the day it was to be voted on. Then, show us where a bill that takes over an entire sector of our economy has over 300 pages of unrelated amendments added under cover of darkness and not provided to the minority party until later in the day when it is to be voted on.

By: JD

JD — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:46:23 +0000

Pointing at someone else is not a defense. This is routine under the Dem overlords.

By: imdw

imdw — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:29:32 +0000

“Imdw – No, it is not new. It is how things have been done since Pelosi started running the show.”

You think its that new — like since 2006? Read a bit about how NAFTA was passed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that wasn’t the first either. In fact, read the statutes at large…. and then tell me how many congressmen you think read all the bills passed.

By: DRJ

DRJ — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:57:16 +0000

Bob Elsasser, Thanks for the update. The Washington Examiner link apparently has Kirk's name ~~wrong~~ incomplete. It's Mark Steven Kirk.

By: Bob Elsasser

Bob Elsasser — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:51:26 +0000

Just want to be sure the right squeemish Republican from Illinois gets blamed: It’s
MARK Kirk, not Steven.

By: JD

JD — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:04:38 +0000

If any of the bills the Dems have pulled these fundamentally dishonest stunts are were good ideas by themselves, they would not have been forced to out-and-out lie and do what they have done to pass these fiascos.

By: SPQR

SPQR — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:57:24 +0000

Its mind-boggling – literally – that the Democrats are so incompetent and so dishonest as to have a vote on an unwritten bill.

These are the people who claim to be better at running government than the GOP?

They can’t run a kindergarten class field trip. Heck, they are a kindergarten class field trip gone bad.

By: arch

arch — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:08:37 +0000

The real damage these 8 RINO did was to allow 8 red state democrats to vote against cap & trade making it more difficult fro conservatives to defeat them in 2010.