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6/18/2009

North Korea’s Independence Day Missile?

Filed under: International,Obama — DRJ @ 4:23 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Japan intelligence sources have issued a warning that “North Korea may launch a long-range ballistic missile towards Hawaii on American Independence Day.”

Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Gates has sent enhanced missile defense to Hawaii.

— DRJ

89 Responses to “North Korea’s Independence Day Missile?”

  1. OK.

    You’re President Obama and the Norks fire a missile, which lands halfway between Oahu and Kauai. There is no sign of an explosion.

    What do you do?

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  2. So, would Quack Jong Il consider it an act of war if we shot down one of his ballistic missiles headed in the direction of the Aloha State? And would Code Pinko agree?

    The ever-inquisitive Dana (474dfc)

  3. Granted, if I were President I would make the liberals nostalgic for George W. Bush, but I think I would place all of our missile defense in South Korea and shoot down every one of North Korea’s test flights. Just to show them we could.

    JVW (2cd0a9)

  4. Mr Murphy, had you asked,

    OK.

    You’re President and the Norks fire a missile, which lands halfway between Oahu and Kauai. There is no sign of an explosion.

    What do you do?

    you’d get a much different answer than asking,

    OK.

    You’re President Obama and the Norks fire a missile, which lands halfway between Oahu and Kauai. There is no sign of an explosion.

    What do you do?

    The way you asked the question, the answer is: speak sternly, but carry no stick.

    Assuming, of course, that he even speaks sternly.

    The ever-realistic Dana (474dfc)

  5. It seems that both North Korea and Iran are racing to see which one of them can be the first to test the new young President. No doubt the Sudan, Cuba, and Venezuela will want to get in on the act too.

    JVW (2cd0a9)

  6. Credit where it’s due:

    Gates, speaking at the same news conference, said the Pentagon is concerned about the possibility of a North Korean missile launch “in the direction of Hawaii.”

    Gates told reporters at the Pentagon he has sent the military’s ground-based mobile missile system to Hawaii, and positioned a radar system nearby. The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system is designed to shoot down ballistic missiles in their last stage of flight.

    “We are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect Americans and American territory,” Gates said.

    A Japanese newspaper reported Thursday that North Korea might fire its most advanced ballistic missile toward Hawaii around the Fourth of July holiday.

    A new missile launch – though not expected to reach U.S. territory – would be a brazen slap in the face of the international community, which punished North Korea with new U.N. sanctions for conducting a second nuclear test on May 25 in defiance of a U.N. ban.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_NKOREA?SITE=TNKNN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    About halfway down. (from Instapundit)

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  7. Do you really believe that Obama wouldn’t do anything substantive if the North Koreans fired a missile of any sort anywhere near Hawaii?

    Leviticus (20b7ac)

  8. Hi Leviticus,

    Unfortunately no, I don’t think he’ll do anything substantive when the North Koreans fire a missile in the general direction of Hawaii. There will be an explanation that “There was no chance it would hit” or something of that sort, possibly even new sanctions (I don’t consider those substantive in NK’s case anymore… they’re never fully-implemented or enforced), but I don’t think President Obama has the political will to take any kind of a strong stand. I hope I’m wrong on this though.

    Stashiu3 (ed6467)

  9. #7: It depends upon what your definition of “substantive” is.

    I would hope that he would react forcefully, but I am afraid that all he would do is to basically apologize because the NKs have a legitimate gripe with us.

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  10. This is the same Dr. Gates that just recommended stopping the deployment of more anti-missile batteries in California and Alaska. This is the same Democratic Congress that just voted down an amendment to override Gates on a strictly party line vote.
    Seems smart power at its best: North Korea lobs ICBM’s towards the USA and we stop trying to improve our defenses. Smart.

    richardb (c92eaf)

  11. Wait a second. I thought that missile defense never worked, and was a militaristic sham. Remember?

    I guess it depends who wields it.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  12. First of all, NorKo is probably only making this idle threat in response to the news that we are shadowing one of their freighters that we suspect is moving weapons.

    Second, China can’t be happy about this threat and is probably warning NorKo that they might just give us as much leeway to respond as we need, with the expectation that NorKo will stand down.

    Third, even Obama can’t louse up the response to a missile being fired in the direction of one of our states. He’ll saber-rattle back, even if his heart isn’t in it.

    JVW (2cd0a9)

  13. Wow. First, the North Koreans are doing this because of us, of course. They aren’t responsible for their own actions, apparently.

    Second, there is telepathy regarding the Chinese. Any evidence of the Chinese controlling the North Koreans in any substantiative way?

    Third, more telepathy about the President. And my favorite part is that, even if he says something martial, his “heart isn’t in it.”

    No disrespect intended, but that is quite a laundry list of wishful thinking. We’ll see how it works out.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  14. “What do you do?”

    I’d tell the North Koreans if one of their missiles ever hits the United States we’ll turn their country into a parking lot, and kill every last man, woman and child north of the 38th and south of the Yalu.

    As far as I’m concerned they can have all the missiles and atomic warheads they want, but if they ever use one against us…it’s game over.

    Dave Surls (6f8595)

  15. Third, even Obama can’t louse up the response to a missile being fired in the direction of one of our states. He’ll saber-rattle back, even if his heart isn’t in it.
    Comment by JVW — 6/18/2009 @ 4:55 pm

    I would never under-estimate any politician’s ability to louse something up. Just sayin’

    Stashiu3 (ed6467)

  16. JVW, please, you give China too much credit for responsible behavior. They are as likely to be encouraging the Norks as discouraging. What have they done to restrain the Norks over the last 50 years while the Norks developed long range missiles and a nuclear bomb? In fact they are likely to be using this Nork scare tactic to see how the US responds with its own ABM systems.

    richardb (c92eaf)

  17. JVW, I am afraid that you misunderestimate the president. He’ll have to, because if he does not, his approval ratings will fall to below where GWB’s were at the end, and there may be a move to impeach (for failure to honor his oath of office).

    Ever see the movie “Five days in May”?

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  18. I would love to see that Air Force 747 with the laser in the nose blast the missile in its boost phase and then say, “Who ? Not us ! We don’t know where that bright light came from.

    Nobody here but us chickens.

    Mike K (90939b)

  19. ‘Ever see the movie “Five days in May”?’

    I think you might be short a couple of days.

    Dave Surls (6f8595)

  20. Dave, do you like showing your ignorance to the rest of the world?

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  21. Eric (4:59 pm), yes they are probably doing this because of our actions vis a vis their ship. Doesn’t mean we were the bad guy, just that one is (to them) the natural reaction to the other.

    OK, let me flesh out my points a little more. This is a good moment for this confrontation to take place, since the Obama Administration has not yet formulated a NorKo policy or made any obnoxious overtures to them (as he has with Iran, Cuba, Venezuela). Therefore, the default is going to be to fall back on Bush Administration policy, which is not exactly about building bridges. If this were to happen two years down the road — after Obama had apologized for McArthur’s crossing the Yalu or some such nonsense — they I would be much less certain that Obama would be able to handle this.

    My main point is that I think this is a typical NorKo empty threat, and going all henny-penny-the-sky-is-falling isn’t going to be too helpful.

    JVW (2cd0a9)

  22. With respect to the Chinese, I don’t see how a fight between us and NorKo benefits them. One, it is right in their backyard, and they can’t be thrilled about that prospect any more than Turkey liked the war with Iraq. Two, they hold a great deal of our debt so any economic calamity large or small that befalls us affects them. They have every reason to be on our side in this matter.

    JVW (2cd0a9)

  23. Yeah the Norks are full of empty threats. Like the time they said they were going to detonate a nuclear device. And the other time they said they were gonna do it. And those phantom missile launches.

    Laugh at those examples at your own peril. While you are laughing, they are working out the bugs. The second “test” was somewhat more successful. Sooner or later they will succeed.

    Then what?

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  24. Dr. K:
    The title of the movie was “Seven Days In May”. I’m just sayin’.

    Dr. Carlo Lombardi (1ec65b)

  25. JVW

    You are living in a fantasy world with regards to China. The Chinese care about 2 things in regards to foreign policy and neither of them are North Korea or the debt the US owes them. They care about returning their wayward cousins back to the fold, perhaps by any means necessary and ensuring the continued and uninterrupted flow of fossil fuels to their shores which will allow them to continue to grow their economy.

    Makewi (0864f9)

  26. Would that be the missile defense system that Dems said could never possibly work? How ironic.

    Perfect Sense (0922fa)

  27. Dr. Lamberti: Do you know the movie, the plot or what it was about?

    Just sayin.

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  28. “Dave, do you like showing your ignorance to the rest of the world?”

    I think the movie you’re referring to is “Seven days in May”?, not “Five days in May”?

    And, I have no strong feelings one way or the other about showing ignorance to the rest of the world.

    For example, I know nothing about the mating habits of lemurs, and I neither like nor dislike sharing my ignorance with the rest of the world.

    Dave Surls (6f8595)

  29. I think that China is inclined to do quite a lot of things to prevent the nutbag on their border from starting a nuclear exchange, but that their influence is limited, at best. Their main concern has always been regime collapse, which would lead to a mass exodus of refugees across their borders, which have become quite problematic over the past decade. So they really face a Hobson’s choice in this, no matter which way they decide to go.

    Dmac (f7884d)

  30. I would love to see that Air Force 747 with the laser in the nose blast the missile in its boost phase and then say, “Who ? Not us ! We don’t know where that bright light came from.

    I would love to see that Air Force 747 with the laser in the nose blast the missile in its boost phase and then say, “Yeah. That was us. America. And don’t forget it.” And I would like Clint Eastwood to say it.

    Dana (aedf1d)

  31. My bad. 5, 7 what does it matter it’s only a number.

    My apologies.

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  32. FYI – the movie Seven Days in May is one of the better Cold – War era films from the 60’s, directed by the great (and late) John Frankenheimer. The movie starred Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster as officers in the Armed Services, but Lancaster’s character has a predeliction for a military takeover of the government when he deems the President and Congress’s efforts to combat our enemies as something less than adequate. Douglas feels otherwise, and the drama plays out along those lines.

    Great film, really – I’m a big fan of Frankenheimer’s work, even his last film starring Deniro and Jean Reno (Ronin). And if you haven’t seen his best work (The Manchurian Candidate and The Birdman of Alcatraz) you’re really missing out, IMHO.

    Dmac (f7884d)

  33. I remembered the plot, Lancaster and Douglas and 75% of the title. Must be getting old.

    I did not know Frakenheimer’s work, but I have seen “Birdman”.

    And my point was that IF the Norks shoot a missile and BarryOBarry does not respond forcefully, then it might be possible to actually impeach and convict a sitting president.

    Actually, if Obama simply let the Norks know that if they shoot a missile in our general direction, we will return the favor. Oh, and by the way, we know ours work. Does yours?

    Dr. K (0fdffa)

  34. “Seven Days in May” is a fine movie, and a pretty good book too.

    I read everything Knebel and Bailey wrote when I was just a wee lad.

    Dave Surls (6f8595)

  35. 5 days in may,

    great tune:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmqZdPoPTG0

    poon (bc36de)

  36. Why would a NK regime collapse send refugees into China? Isn’t that like expecting East Germans to flee to Poland? I’d think that the South Koreans would be frantically trying to rescue their long-lost countrymen, and that SK would have quite a bit more to offer than less-wealthy and hostile China.

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  37. I liked “Twilight’s Last Gleaming” better.

    nk (41da82)

  38. ……and we are sitting around waiting for:
    1) Hillary’s elbow to heal.
    2) Commander Zero to finish walking his dog??????
    WTF is going on.
    Take them out.
    Three weeks warning and our dear leader is hiding in the Lincoln Bedroom.
    This crap fest has got to end.
    Bueller, Boxer, PELOSI, Biden{oops} NORAD……..anybody.
    Sweet assed Jesus.

    achalle (562c57)

  39. I’m not suggesting that a massive influx of NK refugees was a de facto event, but I am suggesting that the Chinese have very real concerns about that happening if the regime implodes. I have no way of determining whether it will or will not happen, just what the Chinese fears entail – they also fear a large destablization of NK as well. (see second to last item down):

    http://www.countrywatch.com/facts/facts_default.aspx?type=text&topic=SENOK

    Dmac (f7884d)

  40. If Hawaii is destroyed, we’ll never get to see if there’s really a vault copy of Obama’s birth certificate.

    Official Internet Data Office (861c3a)

  41. #1- Good grief. Call your sub commanders on the secure line and congratulate them for again ‘toppling’ another creaky missile and be sure Rahmbo gets those ‘Dr. No’ DVDs signed by Sean Connery get to all naval personnel involved by July 10th.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  42. DSCSA – Do you speak English?

    JD (b186eb)

  43. Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Gates has sent enhanced missile defense to Hawaii.

    Why does it have to be Hawaii? Station a couple of Aegis cruisers in the Sea of Japan and intercept the missile closer to its launch point.

    Blacque Jacques Shellacque (1641e7)

  44. Why would a NK regime collapse send refugees into China? Isn’t that like expecting East Germans to flee to Poland? I’d think that the South Koreans would be frantically trying to rescue their long-lost countrymen

    The South Koreans want nothing to do with 20 million starving NKs. They saw the economic hit West Germany took for about five years and it’s not over yet. The Chinese will not pay attention until Japan starts to build a nuclear weapon.

    Mike K (90939b)

  45. You’re President Obama and the Norks fire a missile, which lands halfway between Oahu and Kauai. There is no sign of an explosion.

    What do you do?

    I can think of three options:

    1. Respond with air strikes against the launch point and related facilities.

    2. Send Hillary to the UN to demand heightened sanctions. (It will help with the sympathy vote if she still has her cast on.)

    3. Classify the information and pretend it never happened.

    DRJ (180b67)

  46. Japan could build a nuclear weapon within the next seven days, but it seems to have a prime minister whose spine is even weaker than that of Mayor Daley’s shoeshine-boy.

    But here’s an idea. Why don’t we send Rahm Eamnuel to North Korea to stab a knife into the table in front of Kim Jong Il?

    nk (5e5670)

  47. Why does it have to be Hawaii? Station a couple of Aegis cruisers in the Sea of Japan and intercept the missile closer to its launch point.

    Unless you are right on it, or using high-energy lasers on a clear and dry day, the best place to intercept a ballistic missile is at the target. It’s not running away from you there.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  48. the best place to intercept a ballistic missile is at the target

    The best place to intercept a ballistic missile is on the launchpad.

    poon (bc36de)

  49. nk–

    Why don’t we just board that ship of theirs? I know they promise to smite us 1000 times, but only an idiot gets into a smiting contest with the USA.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  50. #32- Douglas feels otherwise, and the drama plays out along those lines. Actually, that’s not quite accurate. In the film, ‘Seven Days In May’, whose screenplay credits as a contributor, Rod Serling, the character Douglas plays, ‘Jiggs’ Casey, agrees with Lancaster’s character, JCS General James Mattoon Scott, that, “we’re being played for suckers…” regarding a disarmament treaty worked out by Congress and the President with the Soviet Union. But Casey’s loyalty is to the Constitution, not to the zealous, egocentric, philandering, right wing General Scott, as he realized when he reveals the threads of the plot to overthrow the government to President Lyman, played by Fredric March. I do agree that ‘Seven Days In May’ is certainly one of the top Cold War era films, along with Fail-Safe, its cousin, ‘Dr. Strangelove,’ ‘The Spy Who Came In From The Cold’ and ‘The Bedford Incident.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  51. #45- The cleanest method, and mostly likely what has happened in the past, is simply toppling them out of the sky.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  52. Kevin,

    Here’s what I read but I can’t vouch for how accurate it is: The U.S. isn’t boarding the North Korean ship because it is hugging the Chinese coastline in Chinese waters. Thus, the Navy must wait until the ship is in international waters or in port (when they will need permission from the port to board). But even then, the Navy is only allowed to ask to inspect the contents because this isn’t an actual blockade.

    DRJ (180b67)

  53. The cleanest method, and mostly likely what has happened in the past, is simply toppling them out of the sky.

    But that wasn’t the hypothetical. The hypothetical said “the Norks fire a missile, which lands halfway between Oahu and Kauai. There is no sign of an explosion.”

    DRJ (180b67)

  54. Last I heard, we had UN “authority” to shadow the NK ship, but the most we could do was to ask nicely if they’d please stop and let us see their cargo. If we got testy, I’d suspect the task force leader would find room under the bus.

    Sure would be a shame if the cargo ship just so happened to run into a WWII vintage torpedo that still had some active HE. Like 1000 lbs of C4, and active sonar in the guidance section…

    Red County Pete (b3c5ee)

  55. DRJ – Don’t get in the way of its fantasy life. Van Braun taught him that when he was working at CBS.

    JD (b186eb)

  56. Leviticus, I expect that Obama will do nothing substantive at all if the North Koreans launch a missile toward Hawaii.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  57. #53- That’s the result of your ‘hypothetical’ of course assuming it’s permitted to or even capable of reaching that far. It’s toppled and falls harmlessly into the sea either way. Actually, if they wanted to tease Uncle Sam, it might actually be more feasible for them to pop a fly over Alaska’s way. That’s a state, too. And Sarah could see it from her house!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  58. DCSCA:

    It wasn’t my hypothetical and it implied the missile fell into the sea, not that it was “toppled.” Pay attention! We lawyers get testy when it comes to hypotheticals.

    DRJ (180b67)

  59. nk–

    Why don’t we just board that ship of theirs? I know they promise to smite us 1000 times, but only an idiot gets into a smiting contest with the USA.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy — 6/18/2009 @ 7:43 pm

    Or it could just get lost at sea without a trace. It’s a pretty deep ocean down there.

    nk (5f6aff)

  60. #58- If it falls into the sea, near Hawaii or the Aleutians, how do you know it wasn’t ‘toppled’ thus it loses guidance and falls into the sea? That was my take on it. Of course, we could be going at this with the wrong tact. Perhaps we should thank North Korea for finally firing a rocket off around July 4 and honoring our Independence Day.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  61. That was not remotely in good faith, DSCSA, and exhibits traits that ensure that you will never be taken seriously.

    JD (b186eb)

  62. #61- Nonsense. Ballistic missile technology is about 65 years old. The fact North Korea is still struggling to get a primitive missile to even properly stage speaks volumes. It wouldn’t be too complicated to topple one even by accident. Frankly I’d be more concerned about one of their ships lumbering into a harbor and detonating. But missiles are nice, shiny toys and draw the attention of the eyes. Watch the ships, not the skies.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  63. You don’t think he (Obama) would view it (North Korea launching a missile at Hawaii) as yet another opportunity (such as the Somali pirate situation) to demonstrate to the punditocracy his national security bona fides?

    Leviticus (20b7ac)

  64. I have no idea what Obama would do, Leviticus, but in fairness I’m not sure any President knows what he would do in a situation like that. That’s why it’s so important to keep things from getting to that point.

    DRJ (180b67)

  65. DRJ- Here’s a hypothetical for you. North Korea duplicates or refloats the USS Pueblo, paints her or her twin up again w/US insignia for quick confusion and sends her loaded with an explosive ‘device’ toward a minor or secondary port of a U.S. ally in the SEA region. The ship passes undetected into the sleepy harbor before it’s too late and drops anchor to hold the port and its country, along with its allies, hostage for a ransom — or else =boom=. Only the top levels of the governments involved know. What does NK, the US and the TBD port’o’call do? Negotiate? Go public? Send in the Seals?

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  66. They call CBS, Van Braun, and NSA.

    JD (b186eb)

  67. Ah, the Kobayashi Maru test.

    DRJ (180b67)

  68. #66- That was not remotely in good faith, DSCSA JD.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  69. #67- Ha! touche. But honestly, I could see something like that kind of threat happening. It’s the kind of messy bait and switch NK would use and within their skill set. “Watch our shinny missiles drop from the skies while we slip a ship by you.”

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  70. Sure, DRJ, but if you view “action” or “inaction” as the sum total of possible responses, “action” certainly seems like the more politically viable of the two options…

    Which doesn’t mean much, obviously, because even if Obama chooses “action”, his idea of action could be something along the lines of Hans Blix in Team America:

    Hans Blix: {Allow the UN to inspect your palace}, or else.

    Kim Jong Il: Or else what?

    HB: Or else we will be very, very angry with you. And we will right you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

    KJI: Could you stand a riddle to the reft, Hans? [right before he dumps him in a Bond-villain shark tank]

    Leviticus (20b7ac)

  71. Maybe you should email President Bush and see what he thinks.

    JD (b186eb)

  72. Leviticus,

    I didn’t view this hypothetical as a choice between action or inaction because I think of ‘action’ as a military response and diplomacy as a third way. However, I don’t have a problem with defining action to include military and diplomatic responses and, if that’s your definition, I agree Obama will act in those circumstances.

    DRJ (180b67)

  73. Leviticus – I hope he is able to take a quicker and stronger stand than he did with some pirates. Or the Iranians.

    JD (b186eb)

  74. DRJ- Here’s a hypothetical for you. North Korea duplicates or refloats the USS Pueblo,

    I’ll say it’s hypothetical. The Pueblo is still on display in NK.

    Mike K (90939b)

  75. Actually, DRJ, I define “action” as a military response as well, and I still think it would be the only viable option for Obama if the North Koreans launched a missile at the United States.

    He’s essentially hosed if he doesn’t respond militarily. You can practically see [Conservative Candidate]’s 2012 campaign ad if he doesn’t:

    “On July 4th, 2009, the suspiciously short Kim Jong Il launched a missile at Hawaii. It turned out to be inactive/inert/impotent/whatever, but that’s not the point. The point is this:

    President Obama’s response? Talking. To North Korea.

    What if that missile hadn’t been inactive? Kaboom, that’s what! President Obama’s a wimp.

    Vote Whoever/Whoever 2012: we will Kick The Shit out of North Korea”

    Damn. I should be a media consultant. That ad would swing all kinds of elections, if Obama was dumb enough to give the GOP his own personalized Daisy Girl moment.

    Anyway… sorry if this comment is weird. I’m a little drunk.

    Leviticus (20b7ac)

  76. What happened to Pablo, by the way? Is he one of the unfortunate conservative casualties of our recent degeneration into troll skirmishing? I’d grown something of an adversarial, mutually respectful affection for that guy…

    Leviticus (20b7ac)

  77. Hey, we have 57 states! What’s one less?

    Patricia (2183bb)

  78. 56. Since you have to ask. It’s simple arithmetic, Patricia.

    If you’re going to harp on him for a simple slip of the tongue, I’m going to do the same to you.

    Leviticus (20b7ac)

  79. #74- I’ll say it’s hypothetical. I believe I did, too.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  80. If you’re going to harp on him for a simple slip of the tongue

    You mean like how the Left harped on Bush?

    Maybe you didn’t participate in that, Leviticus, but people on your side went far beyond what we’re seeing on the comment threads on this site.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (bcc87c)

  81. Leviticus asked:

    Do you really believe that Obama wouldn’t do anything substantive if the North Koreans fired a missile of any sort anywhere near Hawaii?

    Nope, sure don’t! I don’t count scolding as substantive.

    The definitive Dana (3e4784)

  82. Actually, it seems to me that the mistitle Five Days in May tells us just how much Dr K misoversetimates the President. A day late and a day short, as it were.

    The amused Dana (3e4784)

  83. opportunity (such as the Somali pirate situation) to demonstrate to the punditocracy his national security bona fides?

    I don’t believe that was a good example of his bona fides, but hope springs eternal.

    Dmac (f7884d)

  84. Actually, Obama is going to allow the Nork missle to land in Hawaii and then claim it was responsible for the destructon of Obama’s Oribinal and Bonifide Birth Certificate which shows he was born in Kenya.

    PCD (02f8c1)

  85. If that was colonial Kenya, is he a British subject then?

    carlitos (84409d)

  86. Let’s not fill this thread with Nirther nonsense.

    SPQR (72771e)

  87. We need an adjective for Rahm Emmanuel like “Rovian.” Honolulu newspaper microfiche were doctored in a Rahmian conspiracy. Or something.

    Just messing around, SPQR.

    carlitos (84409d)

  88. Norks to launch missile towards HI for Independance Day!

    I wonder which hotels will have the best view of the “fireworks” show?

    AD - RtR/OS! (67897f)

  89. 85, carlitos, if the Norks fire that missle and manage to get near Hawaii, no country will want to claim Obama as theirs, not even Kenya or the UK.

    Oh, for you uninformed, North Koreans have been streaming into to China for years. They are the antebellum Africans to that culture and are treated little better. Ever note how many Chinese male immigrants to the US have Korean wives? Maybe do a little investigation for yourselves?

    Japan doesn’t want anymore Koreans in their country to crap on either. They haven’t figured out what to do with the Koreans they shipped to the home islands during WW2. Those Koreans aren’t Japanese, not accorded equal rights in Japan, but are not allowed to leave Japan either.

    PCD (02f8c1)


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