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6/12/2009

NOW Inducts Letterman Into Media Hall of Shame

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:52 am



NOW has inducted David Letterman into its “media hall of shame,” even as Letterman has clarified that he hadn’t meant to target Willow Palin, but rather Bristol Palin.

Why that somehow makes it appropriate, I have no idea. Why her family is an appropriate target of late-night TV jokes — funny or not — I have no idea.

I have to say that, if I were a member of NOW, I might actually have been more offended at the comparison of Palin to a “slutty flight attendant.” On one level it’s a fairer shot because at least it’s directed at Palin herself. The problem is, I’ve never seen Palin present herself in a “slutty” fashion. What did Palin ever do to deserve that remark — other than, of course, to be attractive? Is being an attractive woman somehow offensive to David Letterman?

249 Responses to “NOW Inducts Letterman Into Media Hall of Shame”

  1. It’s not that she’s attractive. She’s a conservative woman with some possibilty of causing the dem/lib cause trouble.
    She’s attractive so she got the slutty stew joke. Had she been frumpy, she’d have gotten a frumpy joke.

    Richard Aubrey (a9ba34)

  2. While it is comendable that NOW finally noticed the despicable attacks on Sarah Palin, I remain very sceptical of their concern. I suspect that this effort is all about face saving and not in the least about being concerned about the treatment of women, or this woman or her daughters in particular. Dave probably considers this…..well it probably doesn’t concern him at all.

    Edward Lunny (331570)

  3. Exactly – cowards like Letterman are really afraid of women like Palin; they know that she could kick their backsides if only given the chance. Something about fear of emasculation – we saw the same dynamic across the pond during Thatcher’s time in office.

    Dmac (f7884d)

  4. I know very well that NOW never condemned Bill Clinton for his antics, but I am still pleased about NOW’s statement regarding David Letterman. It was the right thing to do.

    I have even read comments from people that Palin “brought this on herself” by talking about her children. That is just as reprehensible as Letterman’s nonsense.

    To be sure, the trolls will be here shortly to poop all over the thread, but I am still pleased that NOW did this.

    Letterman is a pig, and his non-apology makes my statement an insult to pigs everywhere.

    Oh, and one more thing. I would love to see Letterman apologize, in person, to Todd Palin. Ouch! None of this “come on my show” nonsense. Letterman needs to be a grown up and “own” his mistake. But it will never happen.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  5. Is being an attractive woman somehow offensive to David Letterman?

    Via Ace, I think I know why. It’s what Nietzsche called ressentiment — a hatred born of envy. (Link is safe, but not nice.)

    nk (1ee3a9)

  6. This was a meaningless gesture by NOW. Now NOW will use this to shiw how bipartisan they are.

    JD (cb9226)

  7. Really, were this to mean anything, NOW would have done this back during the campaifn when some on the Left were making “Palin is a c*nt” t-shirts, people suggesting she should be taking care of her kids instead of working, and on and on and on … Waiting until something so easy as a comedian being a jackarse means very little.

    JD (cb9226)

  8. Or for Hillary, for that matter.

    nk (1ee3a9)

  9. “a hatred born of envy”

    Talk show king David Letterman has signed a contract extension to host The Late Show on CBS until 2010. He is currently paid $40 million a year for his hosting duties and his deal deal is worth more than $120 million.

    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2006/12/david-letterman-inks-120m-contract-extension/

    Truer than you think, nk.

    poon (093c46)

  10. And, true to my prediction…

    Eric Blair (c39b83)

  11. No doubt that new contract surely explains why he just married the equivalent of a dead horse – no, he’s absolutely the happiest person in the world.

    Dmac (f7884d)

  12. The older I get, the less envious I am of a 50-something rich guy who had to marry his shaved labrador baby-mama. $120m wouldn’t convince me to trade places for 2 seconds. He did used to be funny, but the misogyny comes pretty natural to him. Like Olbermann kinda.

    carlitos (7d2345)

  13. Well if you want to make “knocked up” jokes, Letterman can certainly speak from personal experience. He and the woman he recently married have a five year old son. Of course I think that the woman he married was 43 at the time the child was conceived–it just took 5 years to “make an honest woman out of her”.

    And it’s clear that Mr. Letterman did not marry this woman for her looks; charitably speaking she’s not very attractive. Over on another blog some wag suggested that she looked as though she had finished 5th in the Belmont last week. But that’s okay, Mr. Letterman is no Adonis himself–other than in the wallet department–so as a “matched set” the two of them should be happy together, and more power to them.

    Mike Myers (674050)

  14. Carlitos, it’s like the anti-semitism of many members of the Left. It’s ignored by the MSM, because it doesn’t fit The Narrative.

    Eric Blair (c39b83)

  15. 7.Really, were this to mean anything, NOW would have done this back during the campaifn when some on the Left were making “Palin is a c*nt” t-shirts, people suggesting she should be taking care of her kids instead of working, and on and on and on … Waiting until something so easy as a comedian being a jackarse means very little.

    Comment by JD — 6/12/2009 @ 8:08 am

    That is perfect non-sense, JD. Your argument is that NOW should have put David Letterman in its hall of shame when other people were making derogatory t-shirts during the campaign? Ridiculous. Conservative.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  16. “a hatred born of envy”

    So true. One of the seven deadly sins. And money does not seem to cure it for him.

    Also, Letterman wishes he had Todd’s looks. AS if.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  17. The older I get, the less envious I am of a 50-something rich guy who had to marry his shaved labrador baby-mama. $120m wouldn’t convince me to trade places for 2 seconds. He did used to be funny, but the misogyny comes pretty natural to him. Like Olbermann kinda.

    Beclowning yourself in record time, carlitos.

    From the comments here and elsewhere, it’s clear it’s not Letteerman’s misogny that bothers “conservatives,” but the fact that he took some shots at your rapidly aging queen.

    poon (093c46)

  18. “Is being an attractive woman somehow offensive to David Letterman?”

    Have you seen Dave’s wife? ((shudder))

    william (fe3a60)

  19. Well if you want to make “knocked up” jokes, Letterman can certainly speak from personal experience. He and the woman he recently married have a five year old son. Of course I think that the woman he married was 43 at the time the child was conceived–it just took 5 years to “make an honest woman out of her”.

    Somebody I read online recently–I don’t remember who, it was random web surfing–had a post discussing this sort of thing. The gist of the post was that, for the most part, a guy who lives with his girlfriend/baby momma and then only marries her after living together for a number of years is the result of him giving up because he thinks he can’t get any better.

    Whether that’s the case with Letterman and his wife, I can’t say, although it wouldn’t surprise me.

    Another Chris (2d8013)

  20. your rapidly aging queen.

    Comment by poon — 6/12/2009 @ 8:46 am

    She scared the shit out of the Obamaphiles and she still has them shitting their pants. We’ll see how your rapidly sinking Magical Mau Mau fares against her.

    nk (1ee3a9)

  21. Are you trying to say that the father of Bristol’s baby decided he could find someone better, Chris? That is an awful thing to say.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  22. No poon, you don’t get it. Letterman’s wife is >18 so she is “fair game” according to him.

    carlitos (7d2345)

  23. Do Myron/antibody remind anyone else of love2008/emperor7?

    nk (1ee3a9)

  24. Are you trying to say that the father of Bristol’s baby decided he could find someone better, Chris? That is an awful thing to say.

    Given that Bristol and her now ex-boyfriend never lived together at all, much less five years, your retort falls flat.

    Another Chris (2d8013)

  25. nk, I was about to say the very same thing: antibody is love2008/emperor7. Very similar writing styles, almost identical lack of grasp of basic facts.

    Steverino (69d941)

  26. To save face, CBS should at least impose an “Imus penalty” on Dave. After cutting loose an iconic broadcast newsman, Dan Rather, CBS should have no problem reprimanding Dave. The whole Letterman act is tired and old, anyway.

    Official Internet Data Office (9e58c4)

  27. Chris, don’t even bother. These clowns are part of Obama’s 11 million member email list. They’ll try to derail this thread in shifts, some keeping their co-worker’s ID, some not. They have been doing it to radio talk in Chicago for a while now, whenever there is ever anything critical ever said about the Klingon’s husband.

    nk (1ee3a9)

  28. I could easily use this opportunity to make a low blow joke against Mrs Lettermen , Regina Laszko, but I shall refrain due to my love of horses.

    Dennis D (ae900a)

  29. No poon, you don’t get it. Letterman’s wife is >18 so she is “fair game” according to him.

    So both you and Letterman are asses, but he makes $40 million a year and you don’t, Carlitos?

    poon (093c46)

  30. JD’s argument wouldn’t get him a C on a 3rd grade paper. I grasp that ‘basic fact’ pretty well. And no, I am not emperor. It is interesting that faced with opposition you immediately attempt to discredit through accusations of sock puppetry.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  31. No, antibody, you just appear to have no ability to read for comprehension. Just to be clear, I meant that this is a hollow gesture, sticking up for Palin on this, when they let so many other things pass for partisan purposes. It was pretty easy for everyone else to understand, but then again, I can see how it would be difficult for a previously banned short-bus rider.

    JD (760bc4)

  32. Lovey also demonstrated a knowledge of German, as I recall. That person really has some issues, reappearing and literally asking “what did I miss” after these sock-puppeting episodes.

    carlitos (7d2345)

  33. I guess you could call yourself “opposition”, but this is the equivalent of calling the relationship between a hammer and a nail a rivalry.

    JD (760bc4)

  34. No. I’ll bet they were all as puzzled as I was. You really don’t know how to write a succinct yet thorough post. Keep working at it!

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  35. It is interesting that faced with opposition you immediately attempt to discredit through accusations of sock puppetry.

    Okay, so you’re not emperor. But saying your writing style is similar to emperor’s isn’t much of an attempt to discredit you. Your own words discredit you far more than any accusation I could make.

    It’s interesting that instead of making an honest argument, your only tactic is to deliberately misrepresent the postings of others.

    Back to Patterico’s question: why is it okay for Letterman to call Sarah Palin a slutty stewardess?

    Steverino (69d941)

  36. love2008/emperor7 pretended to know German. It used “warum — why” in place of “weil — because”, for one example. The things are totally fake.

    nk (1ee3a9)

  37. Okay, let’s ask. Did #7 confuzzle anyone other than the previously banned troll? Was my point that obscure, or difficult to figure out?

    JD (760bc4)

  38. Palin is not someone I would ever vote for, but she has a complete hold on my sympathies in this case. As a father, my reaction to Letterman’s “joke” was anger. Applied to a 14 year-old, it’s horrifying. Applied to an 18 year-old, it remains grotesque and terribly unfair. The premise treats all unwed mothers as wanton or promiscuous, which is absurd and, as NOW notes, offensive to anyone who cares about respect for women.

    I also agree that the “flight attendant” remark was bizarre and out of line. It’s fair to lampoon Palin for her lack of knowledge or her rhetorical style, but leave matters of appearance and family out of it.

    Letterman should apologize much more forthrightly than he has so far.

    Tim McGarry (9fe080)

  39. Back to Patterico’s question: why is it okay for Letterman to call Sarah Palin a slutty stewardess?

    And the response to this has been jokes about Letterman’s wife Regina’s looks. Not afraid to get into the mud, I see. Well, given that you have used the exact same arguments that you pretend to be appalled by, I would say that this argument is moot.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  40. And the response to this has been jokes about Letterman’s wife Regina’s looks. Not afraid to get into the mud, I see. Well, given that you have used the exact same arguments that you pretend to be appalled by, I would say that this argument is moot.

    I never made any comments about Letterman’s wife. Go back and check for yourself. Please apologize for lying about me.

    Steverino (69d941)

  41. I was referring to the collective ‘you’. Please apologize for the strawman you just created, and then distance yourself from it so that it dies its justified death.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  42. nk: Are you still talking about me? What, am I like your romantic foil now? I haven’t even commented on this thread. Who is love2008 and emperor7?

    Anyway, since I’m on this thread now, I applaud the people here who are big enough to applaud NOW, because I recall elsewhere on this site calls for the “left” feminists to condemn attacks against Palin. Now, they have.

    As for folks like JD, any action from an organization you hate can be dismissed as a “hollow gesture.” You would never accept NOW’s sincerity in any context on any subject b/c you simply don’t like the group. You should state this plainly rather than make up torturous arguments about how their putting Letterman in their Hall of Shame is somehow hollow.

    Too many people are into this game of pretend outrage, on both sides of the aisle. Be real.

    Myron (98529a)

  43. I was referring to the collective ‘you’. Please apologize for the strawman you just created, and then distance yourself from it so that it dies its justified death.

    Your initial remark was directed at me: you quoted me and responded to that quote. You then made no distinction between me and the “collective you”. At best, you can complain that I didn’t recognize your shift in indefinite pronouns when you made no attempt to distinguish them.

    If you’re going to complain about straw men, I refer you to your comments at #15 and #21, which were deliberate misreadings of others’ posts.

    Steverino (69d941)

  44. I was a feminist but frankly feminism is dead.

    It was killed by the Infantilization Movement so prevalent in the Baby Boomer Generation.

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  45. And BTW, if Palin is a slutty flight attendant then Regina is chewed up a dog bone

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  46. No, Steve. My comment in number 15 simply called attention to the idiocy of his comment. The reason NOW did not condemn the actions during the campaign is that they recognized Sarah Palin would have done much more damage as VP than the comments were doing. I think they were right.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  47. What constitutes “slutty” is often in the eye of the beholder. I remember reading at several sites that Palin had been sporting “hooker boots.” I went to look at some photos and to me, they were just regular, tall boots.

    Myron (98529a)

  48. #46 Palin would have done more damage as VP?

    To whom? The Liberocracy Religious Dogma?

    Biden is mentally retarded — as VP he comes off dumber than Dan Quayle.

    Palin may not be perfect but she takes down Biden the buffoon hands down.

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  49. What constitutes “sluttya homo” is often in the eye of the beholder. I remember reading at several sites that PalinObama had been sportingblowing “hooker bootssome dude when he was high on coke.” I went to look at some photos and to me, they were just regular, tall bootstales.

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  50. HeavenSent: I honestly don’t get your point. Are you saying that you think Palin’s a slut and Obama’s gay? Or the opposite? Or neither?

    Myron (98529a)

  51. Just imagine the media outrage if a similar comment was made about one of the young Obama girls.

    PC14 (82e46c)

  52. You’re going to give yourself an aneurysm trying to understand the reasoning behind a conservative rant, Myron. Just step around it and move on.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  53. Myron, I am saying what you wrote is nonsense.

    To say “slutty is in the eye of beholder” is nonsense to justify retarded, self serving attacks on a Governor of an important State in the Union.

    And while, I am not a Palin fannie, I found 95% of the critiques of her to be bigoted, sexist nonsense and 100% of the comments about her family to be OUTRAGEOUS.

    To say Palin uses her family when I see Obama do worse with his children, personal life, dog, Wednesday Bowling … really GFY.

    Under the Left’s Litmus Test why aren’t Obama’s kids fair game. He uses them all the time to score feel good points.

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  54. O/T, but I found this in a comment section discussing cars and govt, and thought it relevant:

    “…The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?…”

    Sure would cut-down troll infestations.

    AD - RtR/OS! (1add59)

  55. I don’t think either of the Obama girls are spokespersons for young girsl who try (and fail) to resist having sex, PC14.

    And it looks like all this right-wing fuss over Letterman is sure helping his ratings:

    CBS’ “Late Show With David Letterman” (3.5 household rating) outdrew NBC’s “Tonight Show With Conan O’Brien” (3.0) in the overnight household ratings.

    Another bulls eye for the Gang That Can’t Shoot Straight.

    http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/thursday-late-night-ratings.html#more

    poon (093c46)

  56. Antibody, another buffoon.

    For crazy ranting by lunatics, start with Democrats from November 5, 2000 till January 2009.

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  57. Poon, his has not helped Letterman one bit but Leno retiring did.

    Cause and Effect are lost on these morons so long as it fits their world view.

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  58. Exactly, poon.

    If you claim to be the shining beacon of hope for the world, and tell them how to raise their children and conduct their lives… don’t be shocked when eyebrows raise and words fly when your life proves you to be a hypocrite.

    antibody (3fcbc6)

  59. I agree the jokes were truly tasteless, and i hope every stewardess in the country remembers it when they see him on a plane. And i wonder what A-rod will say the next time he asks him to appear on his show. If it were me mr dave would be wearing my bat in his ass…..did i misunderstand or was he implying a-rod has a thing for little girls…..

    Larry (69ef28)

  60. PC14: The outrage would have been worse if it were Obama’s kids. Much worse. Point conceded.

    The national media is fascinated by both Obama and Palin as fresh new figures on the stage. But by and large, the media likes and respects Obama. By and large, the media neither likes nor respects Palin. Or rather they like her in the sense that they think she’s a populist who is out-in-space, good-looking and generates news and controversies, i.e. ratings. But what they feel for her is not admiration; it’s contempt. She’s a freak show in a lot of journalists’ (and entertainers’ ) minds and nothing is really going to change their opinion.

    So the media applies a different set of rules to coverage of her vs. Obama. All those points are so evident, a fair-minded person must concede them.

    But in any case, my view is that the media should leave people’s kids out of it, unless they are adults who voluntarily enter the fray, a la Meghan McCain.

    Myron (98529a)

  61. Why her family is an appropriate target of late-night TV jokes — funny or not — I have no idea.

    Oh puhleeeeeze. Distraction, distraction, distraction. The Palin family is the target of late night TV comics because they’re in the public eye. The Palin’s put them there on display, warts, pregnancy et al., during the campaign and the kids have appeared in the media on talk shows representing themselves and various causes. They’re fair game for good jokes or bad.

    Besides, Letterman is JUST an entertainer. JUST like Limbaugh, whose ‘harmless little fuzzball’ retreat defense is used to justify the Rushbo’s caustic and tasteless humor. Seems conservatives forget Limbaugh comparing Chelsea Clinton to a dog back in the day of his TV show and, among others, his clever, disparaging ditty, ‘Barack The Magic Negro.’ But then, it’s only humor, albeit in poor taste. There’s little doubt the texture of humor these days has grown coarse and low brow on all sides. Listeners and viewers have the power to curb it. Stop watching and cease listening.

    Still, a smart politician never pick fights with comedians. The funnyman will get the best and last word.

    More chilling is the revealing interview on NBC’s Today Show between Palin and Lauer. What a refreshing reminder. Every American should thank God this shrill, shallow, spotlight-seeking, granny is not a heartbeat away from the presidency. An intellect Newt Gingrich actually said he’d be comfortable seeing as VP. Speaks volumes about his poor judgement– and McCain’s as well. Hey Iran, wanna mess with Palin’s head? Make jokes about her kids.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  62. Crazy Lunatic,

    Start with Pelosi claiming she lied to by the CIA.

    Start with Democrats claiming “they knew nothing, they saw nothing” on GITMO water sports.

    Start with Barney “Give Money to People Who Can’t Pay So I Can Get Votes” claiming the Freddie and Fannie meltdowns had NOTHING TO DO with policies advanced by his party.

    Timmy saying he made an honest mistake expensing his kids summer camp.

    Rangel greedily keeping several rent stabilized apartments while PEOPLE GO HOMELESS.

    Nagin sitting around with his finger in his ass playing racial politics along with Landrieu the d*nt — and letting people die in New Orleans.

    Where does it end for lunacy of the left?

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  63. Why her family is an appropriate target of late-night TV jokes — funny or not — I have no idea.

    Oh puhleeeeeze. Distraction, distraction, distraction. The Palin family is the target of late night TV comics because they’re in the public eye. The Palin’s put them there on display, warts, pregnancy et al., during the campaign and the kids have appeared in the media on talk shows representing themselves and various causes. They’re fair game for good jokes or bad.

    Besides, Letterman is JUST an entertainer. JUST like Limbaugh, whose ‘harmless little fuzzball’ retreat defense is used to justify the Rushbo’s caustic and tasteless humor. Seems conservatives forget Limbaugh comparing Chelsea Clinton to a dog back in the day of his TV show and, among others, his clever, disparaging ditty, ‘Barack The Magic Negro.’ But then, it’s only humor, albeit in poor taste. There’s little doubt the texture of humor these days has grown coarse and low brow on all sides. Listeners and viewers have the power to curb it. Stop watching and cease listening.

    Still, a smart politician never pick fights with comedians. The funnyman will get the best and last word.

    More chilling is the revealing interview on NBC’s Today Show between Palin and Lauer. What a refreshing reminder. Every American should thank God this shrill, shallow, spotlight-seeking, granny is not a heartbeat away from the presidency. An intellect Newt Gingrich actually said he’d be comfortable seeing as VP. Speaks volumes about his poor judgement– and McCain’s as well. Hey Iran, wanna mess with Palin’s head? Make jokes about her kids.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  64. PC14: The outrage would have been worse if it were Obama’s kids. Much worse. Point conceded.

    The national media is fascinated by both Obama and Palin as fresh new figures on the stage. But by and large, the media likes and respects Obama. By and large, the media neither likes nor respects Palin. Or rather they like her in the sense that they think she’s a populist who is out-in-space, good-looking and generates news and controversies, i.e. ratings. But what they feel for her is not admiration; it’s contempt. She’s a freak show in a lot of journalists’ (and entertainers’) minds and nothing is really going to change their opinion.

    So the media applies a different set of rules to coverage of her vs. Obama. All those points are so evident, a fair-minded person must concede them.

    But in any case, my view is that the media should leave people’s kids out of it, unless they are adults who voluntarily enter the fray, a la Meghan McCain.

    Myron (98529a)

  65. Trollfest 2009 continues! Meanwhile, look at DRJ’s new post. Hope and Change!

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  66. Every American should thank God this shrill, shallow, spotlight-seeking, granny is not a heartbeat away from the presidency.

    What did she say that leads you to characterize her as “shrill, shallow, spotlight-seeking”?

    Gerald A (adb85a)

  67. As for folks like JD, any action from an organization you hate can be dismissed as a “hollow gesture.” You would never accept NOW’s sincerity in any context on any subject b/c you simply don’t like the group.

    That is a lie, and you are a liar.

    Had NOW been sincere about this, they would have had something to say when Palin was a candidate, and some on the Left were making and wearing Palin is a C*nt t-shirts, or when the Left was advancing the argument that Palin should not be running for office because she should be at home being a mother to her children. I would have respected them had they done so then. This Letterman thing was easy.

    JD (321903)

  68. #57 Myron – Good on you.

    I see that DCRAP is fine with that kind of joke being made about a 14 year old or an 18 year old. We really did not need any further proof about your complete lack of class.

    JD (321903)

  69. For sometime, Letterman has not been funny – but a mean and irreverent cheap shot artist. So true of most of our so-called comedians and so-called humor today.

    Letterman and his ilk – the statist Left, who claim the high ground as compassionate, sympathetic, tolerant – are clearly NOT such things, but in fact believe it is and practice, an open season of HATE on conservatives.

    And they would be correct, as it in fact IS open season, with the phoney analysis and double standards routinely practiced by the Democratic party, major media/press, academia, Hollywood, NOW, NARAL, ACLU, the plethora of ethnocentic/gender groups, etc. The differing treatment of Lettermen versus Imus speaks for itself.

    Conservatives must LEARN how to fight back. And MUST fight back at every slur these statist Lefties spew. Everytime the statist Left ply their false, hateful, defamatory, demagogic & demonizing trade – they must be confronted, called on it, challenged as CONSERVAPHOBIC and defeated for spewing falsehoods and hate. Stop letting them drive the agenda, define every issue and getting away with such irreverence and phoney DOUBLE STANDARDS. It is dividing, destroying and will kill our country.

    Why don’t conservatives have programs to combat the statist Left’s propaganda from Bill Maher’s show, Bill Moyer’s Journal, “The View”, etc? For example, get four top conservative women and have them actually debate the issues with reason & substance, instead of the childish, low brow, trivial, emoting, feelings, pretense, and lacking substance cackling routinely emitted from “The View”. Call it “A Better View”, “A Clear View”, “A Clearer View”. The People are hungry for truth and substance. They have had their fill of the childish, pop nonesense they have been fed by the statists Left & Letterman that has poisoned our culture.

    Finally, although I like Sarah Palin, she made a big mistake appearing on “Saturday Night Live”. Recall, this was after SNL, ala Letterman, had done a skit about “Todd Palin Has Sex With Daughters”. What was Palin thinking? Why didn’t she take them on then & there as despicable, instead of appearing on the irreverent show? Although her complaints re Letterman now are correct, they do not ring as loud and true because of her own conduct there.

    I believe Palin’s decision to appear on SNL instead of taking them on, was per acquiesence to the McCain campaign. Palin has good instincts and good values, she should stand by and assert them proudly and loudly.

    Gary L. Zerman (a03946)

  70. Poon, his has not helped Letterman one bit but Leno retiring did.

    Cause and Effect are lost on these morons so long as it fits their world view.

    Heavensent wins today’s irony medal…and the day has barely begun.

    Kudos

    poon (093c46)

  71. Before we heard Letterman’s loathesome comment, we heard other creeps like Andrew Sullivan wildly speculate, and then allege, that Palin’s baby was actually Bristol’s baby. That wasn’t true, either, but the pattern was the same–smear Republicans, wherever, whenever, by any means necessary.

    Official Internet Data Office (9e58c4)

  72. #65- The fact she said anything at all. Hey North Korea, wanna mess with Palin’s head? Crack wise about her kids.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  73. This site is still reaaaaaaaalllllllllllly slow today.

    JD (321903)

  74. #38- I totally agree. Bad rift of jokes. He acknowledged it on global TV now widely posted on the web and apologized for his poor taste and offered an olive branch to Palin. She chose to grandstand instead. When she get’s her own comedy show, she can rift away on late night comics to her heart’s content. Hellooooo Fox, get me Rupert… opportunity is knockin’ up side your door.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  75. #67- …”DCRAP”… We really did not need any further proof about your complete lack of class.

    Speak for yourself.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  76. Being an attractive Republican is offensive to lefties like Letterman. Anyone not fitting the “old rich white guys” stereotype makes them angry.

    Ken Hahn (29cf21)

  77. The trolls seem to descend when the subject is Palin. Patrick, maybe you should have a fake thread with a few comments about Palin or Limbaugh just to attract trolls. Then we could have a conversation about another subject without the pests buzzing around with seminar talking points. I’m not sure they would notice for a while.

    Just a thought.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  78. #68- Why don’t conservatives have programs to combat the statist Left’s propaganda from Bill Maher’s show, Bill Moyer’s Journal, “The View”, etc? Apparently because they have no sense of humor. Fox News tried a comedy show and failed. Limbaugh had a TV show laced with his topical brand of ‘humor’ and it failed as well. It seems the funniest conservatives can be are when they’re mock conservatives, like Stephen Colbert.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  79. #70, again you are clueless but if fits your world view so it must be true.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/06/conan-obriens-ratings-slip-but-race-with-david-letterman-is-just-starting.html

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  80. Trolls say the funniest things when the topic is Palin. It’s almost like 8 years of BDS was just the opening act.

    EBJ (2fd7f7)

  81. Colbert a conservative?

    You make a good Brown Shirt — keep repeating a lie and presto!

    ROTFLMAO! Here is some color ….

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/05/who-is-clueless-enough-to-think.html

    HeavenSent (1e97ff)

  82. There is a nearly complete Moronic Convergence in this thread.

    JD (321903)

  83. As for the “slutty” flight attendant remark, it’s also deeply offensive to flight attendants. Calling people who are highly trained to keep people safe during a flight – or heaven forbid – a flight emergency – and JUST HAPPEN to serve food an drinks sometimes – slutty – is actually even more offensive than associating it with Palin, who is capable of taking care of herself and is doing so. I can’t believe that flight attendants – female AND male – haven’t gotten more upset at what is clearly an ugly degradation of people who work hard for not a lot of pay and even less job security.

    lazlo toth (6a6617)

  84. #65- The fact she said anything at all. Hey North Korea, wanna mess with Palin’s head? Crack wise about her kids.

    I thought there was something specific in the interview that she said. If it was just saying “anything at all”, then what was supposed to be “chilling” and “revealing” about it and why did everyone need to watch it? Or is saying “anything at all” “chilling” and “revealing” – (but even then we still wouldn’t need to watch it)?

    More chilling is the revealing interview on NBC’s Today Show between Palin and Lauer. What a refreshing reminder. Every American should thank God this shrill, shallow, spotlight-seeking, granny is not a heartbeat away from the presidency.

    You wouldn’t just be making things up would you?

    Gerald A (adb85a)

  85. Had David Letterman made a ” funny, ha, ha, joke” about President Obama daughters being raped at NY baseball game or David said President Obama dresses like a pimp and President Obama wife dresses like ” slutty stewardess ” CBS would have Fired Dave Letterman and ABC, NBC and MSNBC would not be defending David Letterman.
    CBS should FIRED David Letterman.
    Boycott CBS and David Letterman sponsors.

    Jim (9e06eb)

  86. So refreshing to see the sudden outburst of feminism in here. Why you’ll all be spouting Andrea Dworkin next, I just know it!

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  87. #81- A mock conservative, at home mocking conservatives. Sad thing is a recent study indicated nearly half the conservatives viewing Colbert actually believe he is one. Conservatives should give him credit for spending a week in Iraq doing shows from Camp Victory in Baghdad. Instead, they’re sweating out a rift of bad jokes by the aging Letterman.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  88. FTA. Is being an attractive woman somehow offensive to David Letterman?

    Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a picture of the mutt Letterman married?. (Ha ha, sorry Dave, just kidding. But pretty funny, huh?)

    Funeral Guy (f4df54)

  89. “Funeral Guy”? You’re a necrophiliac I take it.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  90. #84- The specifics of her ‘interview’ were irrelevant. What was chilling and most revealing was the fact she’d bother to do one at all, on NBC no less, over such a small matter. If she had any leadership skills worthy of placing her a heartbeat away from running the Free World she’d have accepted Letterman’s invite and dressed down Dave face to face on his own set on his own network. Would have been good for her- and Letterman. Even McCain had the savvy to do that. Instead, she opted to showcase herself. If Letterman is guilty of using her kids as chaff for a joke, she’s guilty of using them as a platform for face time on the tube as well. Not very vice-presidential. Or presidential. Hello Osama, wanna rattle Palin’s cage from you cave? Make bad jokes about her kids.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  91. Banned/Unbanned troll DSCSA typically gets the study wrong. According to the authors, it’s not a reflection of ideology, but something common across all ideologies, confirmation bias:

    “When you look at social psychology and you see how people process information, people see what they want to see,” said study co-author Landreville. “They take whatever they want out of that message. So if I’m a liberal, I’ll have my liberal goggles on when I’m watching The Colbert Report and I’ll think he’s a liberal.”

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (4623d1)

  92. DCRAP is now advocating making vile comments about kids as a legitimate part of the political process. Remember that.

    JD (b2da6e)

  93. If she had any leadership skills worthy of placing her a heartbeat away from running the Free World she’d have accepted Letterman’s invite and dressed down Dave face to face on his own set on his own network.

    Wow, that’s almost as bad as all the Democratic candidates refusing to appear in a debate moderated by Fox News. Yup, a clear lack of leadership on the part of the Democrats.

    Steverino (69d941)

  94. #89- Banned/Unbanned troll DSCSA No need to be rude, Dittohead. confirmation bias

    Apparently you’re confirmed by the clever Catholic comic with each lampoon four nights a week. Colbert is, of course, playing a mock conservative. But keep watching and enjoy every hit!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  95. You mean Palin should have talks with Letterman without preconditions? That’s like negotiating with North Korea.

    Official Internet Data Office (9e58c4)

  96. #91. See #76.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  97. Banned/Unbanned troll DSCSA thinks it knows more about the study than its authors. Another splendid example of its logic.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (4623d1)

  98. Jokes about someone’s kids? John McCain had a real thigh-slapper about Chelsea Clinton. Remember?

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  99. #92- Thank you for reminder that Fox News is a joke; and a 24/7 comedy show. We’ve been laughing at them for years.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  100. The most hilarious thing is that Dggcrpp still links to posts made hours earlier, not to mention they’re the incorrect ones it’s referring to in the first place.

    Dmac (f7884d)

  101. #96- Speak for yourself. Colbert states to his guests before taping what the schtick is about. Some get it. Some don’t. You is a ‘don’t.’ But keep watching!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  102. I’m still waiting to be enlightened about what was “chilling and revealing” about her interview. I’m expecting a lucid explanation any minute now.

    Gerald A (adb85a)

  103. #100- See #89. Then wait some more. Better still, loop her interview if/when it’s posted someplace and enjoy the breeze.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  104. Still linking to posts that have nothing to do with your responses, Von Braun – do you even understand what the “preview” section is used for?

    Dmac (f7884d)

  105. The specifics of her ‘interview’ were irrelevant. What was chilling and most revealing was the fact she’d bother to do one at all, on NBC no less, over such a small matter. If she had any leadership skills worthy of placing her a heartbeat away from running the Free World she’d have accepted Letterman’s invite and dressed down Dave face to face on his own set on his own network.

    You seem to be contradicting yourself. She shouldn’t do an interview over such a small matter, but she should go on Letterman. Going on Lauer shows no leadership but going on Letterman shows leadership. Whatever. She’s had plenty of opportunity to demonstrate leadership skills as a governor, which is where she would be expected to demonstrate them and has done so as far as I can see.

    If she went on Letterman he undoubtedly would have tried to tell her to chill out or something to that effect. If she didn’t go along with that, then you’d be attacking her for that – probably that would also demonstrate no leadership. You’re just full of crap.

    Gerald A (adb85a)

  106. #103- No contradiction at all. A face to face square off dressing down Dave would have given some credible gravitas to the Palin ‘outrage.’
    Might even have won over some critics. Instead, she did an empty media dance on a rival network at the other end of the clock. The angst, faux or otherwise, simply adds to the perception that when it comes to the ship of state, she remains a dinghy. Memo to Putin. Want to shake the Palin calm? Make some bad jokes about her kids.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  107. Did DCRAP finally pass out?

    JD (bc5db9)

  108. “Is being an attractive woman somehow offensive to David Letterman?”

    Yes, because he knows he’ll never get one for himself.

    NOW is an irrelevant and moribund organization. Enough former fems saw through the lie long ago. The group went off the rails when the devaluation of the womb became the heart and soul of the organization. Hence their media hall of shame is more of an embarrassment than anything else.

    It’s always amusing to see the power Palin has over the left’s emotional state. They never disappoint.

    Dana (aedf1d)

  109. #103- If she went on Letterman he undoubtedly would have tried to tell her to chill out or something to that effect. If she didn’t go along with that, then you’d be attacking her for that – probably that would also demonstrate no leadership. Nice to know you’re inside Dave’s head. We’ll never know because she clearly lacked the courage of her convictions by passing on the opportunity to confront him face to face. Instead, she used her kids for face time on television.

    You’re just full of crap. No, I’m not a conservative. Unnecessary language you clearly picked up when you were inside Letterman’s head.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  110. It is a broken record. Pathetic, really.

    JD (1f2cf6)

  111. I am trying to figure out the special child’s version of logic, and frankly, it is giving me a headache. Palin is a coward for not going on the show of a douchebag who made disgusting jokes about her daughter, and in the process, prollu giving him one of his highest ratings. Yet, the douchenozzle is not a coward for making jokes about either a 14 or an 18 year old, making a non-apology apology, and not having the stones to do it directly, either by phone or in person, but in a smug self-serving manner in his show. And in the end, palin is the bad person.

    You really are warped, ASPCA.

    JD (1f2cf6)

  112. >a href=”http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2844″>here … That will explain for you.

    …but she isn’t playing off the outrage! at such a vile joke — she’s cleverly and cheerfully pointing out that such attacks are a cultural problem for everybody (though not in those words) and pointing out the double standard in terms that anyone reasonable who’s watching can’t help but see it. You can tell it’s working by the hysteria among the Leftoids.

    happyfeet (2d133f)

  113. oh. Fail. click here I mean.

    happyfeet (2d133f)

  114. DCSCA’s version of “logic” is beyond belief. Idiocy like that is literally astonishing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  115. #112- Idiocy like that is literally astonishing. Yes, and to think she was actually selected as the Republican Party Vice Presidential nominee.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  116. And The Troll Who Wouldn’t Leave keeps on repeating the same, stale lines as if they hide its lack of facts. Not working.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  117. I am curious as to why Palin is an idiot and Biden is a statesman. Never mind. The fevered swamp that is the minds of people like DCRAP truly believe that stuff.

    You are quite correct, Bradley. It repeats its points in that manner because he cannot back them up, cannot explain it beyond typing the words that it read or heard somewhere else. Another commenter did a great job in cornering him about what speciifically was so “chilling” about Palin’s interview, and its bizarre logic concluded that it was “chilling” because she spoke, essentially.

    I wish there was someone in your life that would get you the help you need, DCRAP.

    JD (674253)

  118. DCSCA – since Joe Biden’s stupidity is obviously far in excess of Palin’s alleged stupidity, you only make yourself look like the vapid misogynist that you are with your repeated comments.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  119. Letterman became irrelevant a long time ago when his bitterness at being upstaged by Jay Leno spilled over into his show. His personal creativity has disappeared and the nastiness of his bitter persona has simply taken over. He’s just not funny and he’s become mean-spirited. Sad . . .

    jkw (4146d2)

  120. Hey, DCS, what machine makes the noise tapocketa, tapocketa, tapocketa ?

    I understand you are an expert on that machine.

    I am very impressed with your wisdom and think you should have your own blog where you could enlighten the population 24/7. Maybe you should start tonight.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  121. #115- I am curious as to why Palin is an idiot and Biden is a statesman. So am I but Biden would be pleased you elevated him to that status so early in his term as Vice President of the United States.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  122. Here is some Boss Limbaugh trivia for you, ASPCA. Who coined the phrase about Barcky, the “magic negro” ?

    JD (54b33c)

  123. DCSCA:

    #115- I am curious as to why Palin is an idiot and Biden is a statesman. So am I but Biden would be pleased you elevated him to that status so early in his term as Vice President of the United States.

    I’m tired of comments like these. I know you’re smart and that you understood the point of the comment but you chose to respond with snark. I would appreciate it if you use less snark and more good faith.

    DRJ (180b67)

  124. Yes, and to think she was actually selected as the Republican Party Vice Presidential nominee.

    LOL. Unless you are equally (and I’ll give you some leeway and won’t even say “more”) contemptuous of the current VP — the buffoon who claimed FDR was president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and who also said FDR gave his famous fireside chats on TV — you have no grounds to stand on.

    Mark (411533)

  125. DRJ- Snark? What do you call ASPCA? DCCRAP and such? I gave an honest, civil and witty response to snark. If you’re on snark patrol, please reference #118, #120, #105 and several by JD, etc.

    Please note I’ve been quite courteous. Many of your regulars have been decidely less so. But thanks for talking to me.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  126. DRJ- FYI as postscript, #118 is decidely not a comment in ‘good faith,’ is it.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  127. DRJ – There is no evidence of good-faith in 95%+ of its comments. Boss Limbaugh, Newt, Colbert, blah, blah. It suggested in his first comment today that the Palin’s brought this one by introducing their family to politics. It suggested Rush made up Barack the Magic Negro when it was David Effin E. It suggested that Sarah Palin is “chilling and pathetic and a coward” for being interviewed by Lauer instead of going on the show of the person that made vile jokes (plural) about her daughter(s). It would not know good faith if it bit him in the arse.

    JD (579091)

  128. DRJ – DCSCA has let slip in the past the his job is to ‘annoy conservatives’.

    I think you can ascertain from the comments the sincerity of the commenter, and I’ll tell you flat out – I have no desire to be in a discussion or debate with anyone who wishes only to annoy me. It neither challenges me nor elevates the quality of the discussion. It is simply site sabotage, by someone with personal problems quite similar to those they deem to detest, and it renders participation here somewhat moot, since any insight will be discarded in favor of the shouting match, the purpose of which is to salve old wounds that will never heal.

    I will be the first to admit that I don’t have the time to comment every day all day, so if the impetus is on volume, then by all means I concede. But if it’s actually quality that you seek, then I would ask you to simply listen to the opinions of the commenters whom you trust. They have not, nor do I expect them to ever let you down.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  129. DCSCA,

    This is primarily a conservative blog so there are more conservative commenters than liberal ones. That makes liberal commenters valuable to me but not at any cost. So are you here for snark or are you here to discuss the issues? I would hope it’s the latter but it’s hard to tell.

    DRJ (180b67)

  130. #38- I totally agree. Bad rift of jokes. He acknowledged it on global TV now widely posted on the web and apologized for his poor taste and offered an olive branch to Palin. She chose to grandstand instead. When she get’s her own comedy show, she can rift away on late night comics to her heart’s content. Hellooooo Fox, get me Rupert… opportunity is knockin’ up side your door.

    Comment by DCSCA — 6/12/2009 @ 10:31 am

    I thought Lecherman had apologized too at first, because the network video loops only show the part where he says “I’d never condone sex of anykind with a 14 year old minor. Look at me.”
    Then I saw the full version. He didn’t apologize or dissavow his jokes at all.
    Instead he went to great pains to reiterate them – every one of them – complete with pauses for his audience to howl their approval.
    Lecherman is the worst sort of creep, and he is going down.

    Already the FCC, the network, and everyone of his sponsors, are receiving complaints.

    His television days are over.
    It’s only a matter of time.
    Where’s the Lecherman countdown clock? We need one of those.
    I give it a week til CBS pulls the plug.

    Interesting side note I picked up from the Armstrong and Getty show. They point out that there are certain demographics for late night television that are more important then others. While Leatherface is in the lead overall, Conan is beating him like a gong among young adults – the demographic that spends money – the only one advertisers care about.

    papertiger (c4b55b)

  131. Bravo, Apogee. Well said.

    Eric Blair (9188e9)

  132. So I won’t touch the comment that a previously banned poster is “witty.” Whatever. Some people have a funhouse mirror at home.

    What I will object to is the comment that this person is “courteous.” Here is one example, DRJ:

    http://patterico.com/2009/06/11/obamacare-docs-vs-dems/#comment-505454

    Now, the response will be that Mike K. called him a “twerp.” But this fellow attacks Dr. Kennedy’s professionalism and ethics. Now, we don’t know exactly what the character does for a living (Walter Mitty claims aside), but we do know he is not a physician (and has no health insurance, which might have fueled his bitterness on this issue). Now, that doesn’t mean that he cannot have an opinion, but his comment kind of shows the lie that the poster is “courteous.”

    He did post politely for the first day that Patterico officially unbanned him, with his Letterman style apology to you. His posting since is just more of the same; he can’t help it. It’s a game to a person who likes to fight. He is even bringing back nicknames for people he doesn’t like.

    Again, the “so and so started it” will be the response. Sigh.

    I personally feel that folks who JUST post for snark don’t add much to the discussion, and there is ample evidence here that they attract other trolls. Apogee put it well.

    But it is your and Patterico’s decision.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  133. Eric,
    Sorry I missed that “apology” (and the unbanning BTW) – do you happen to remember what the thread was about that it was on? Will go dig it up…thanks.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  134. Here is what I know, NOYK:

    http://patterico.com/2009/06/06/indiana-pensions-file-chrysler-appeal-in-supreme-court/#comment-504258

    Notice how long it took for the person to go back to the slapfighting. And the tone in his dealings with DRJ is…unusual.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  135. Thanks, Eric, for the link; appreciate it. That was actually a nice post and not like the usual tone; you’re right. Wish DCSCA would post like that all the time.

    Interesting BTW how the person seemed to wear the banning like a badge of honor – noticed for the past couple of days the person was still using that moniker. Several posters here have commented in the past on posters wanting to be banned so they can brag about it. Guess it was true.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  136. Just noticed the last half of DRJ’s reply in that post. LOL

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  137. noyk – It is like they want to be martyr’s to prove some point that the evil conservatives ban everyone. Then, they act as offensive as possible in order to get banned, to prove their original point. It is odd.

    BTW – Good to see you.

    JD (dab43d)

  138. So here we go again. DCSCA uses snark and derision, and complains when it gets snark and derision (along with copious fiskings), in return. When it’s proven wrong, it just goes on reciting its talking points and insults. And when it’s threatened with banning, it briefly grovels before returning to its tired old game of bait the right.

    This contributes nothing — no new information, no new points of view. It’s just one more example, as if we needed it, of how some people on the left can’t stand to see Obama challenged. They will do everything possible to disrupt the conversation, ignore the facts and propagate repeatedly discredited falsehoods. They won’t honestly discuss the facts.

    This is a classic troll, and trolls doesn’t merit respect.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  139. BOSS LIMBAUGH IS A FAT DRUG ADDICTED LOSER THAT HIDES IN A ROOM SCREAMING AT A MICROPHONE WAITING FOR HIS NEXT DIVORCE AND TWEETING NEWTIE TO SEE HOW THEY CAN OPPRESS SOME WOMEN, CHILDREN, SENIOR CITIZENS AND MINORITIES TODAY.

    JD (dab43d)

  140. That’s the extent of the banned/unbanned troll’s intellectual contributions to this blog.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  141. What did Palin ever do to deserve that remark — other than, of course, to be attractive?

    Oh, I dunno, maybe be conservative at the same time? Or worse, to run against The One?

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  142. It’s interesting that somewhere upthread, a claim that was made that Letterman apologized. I must have missed it because I listened to his take on the kerfuffle and never once heard him say “I’m sorry”. I was taught that those words with the weight of contrition and humility behind them were key components in making an honest apology.

    This morning I listened to Olbermann’s rant on the matter and he too is claiming that there was an apology made by Letterman. This is not a matter of perception, it is a matter of blatant dishonesty in order to promote an agenda. And it’s dishonest to claim that it isn’t. Some things are as plain as the nose on one’s face people who hate Palin for whatever reason, will always continue to hate her, no matter what.

    Dana (aedf1d)

  143. Amen, Dana. Amen.

    JD (5f9cc7)

  144. Agreed, Dana. Letterman said he made some jokes that he “wasn’t necessarily proud of”. That’s a far cry from an apology.

    Steverino (69d941)

  145. I think it is important to compare the “apology” made by Letterman to the apology (and personal phone call) made by McCain. I still think Letterman should call Sarah and Todd Palin and make a private apology.

    But he won’t, because he doesn’t think what he did was wrong.

    Eric Blair (9188e9)

  146. Dana, AFAIK the extent of Letterman’s “apology” was to say he was referring to Bristol, who wasn’t even at the game.

    If anyone knows of a more substantive apology, I’d like to see it.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (4e7922)

  147. So unwed mothers are fair game now at CBS?

    DRJ (180b67)

  148. Yup, DRJ, unwed 18 year old mothers who don’t have a national nightly tv show on which to fight back are fair game. Especially if they’re related to Republicans.

    My own daughter is 20, and if David Letterman ever took a cheap shot at her, I’d have his head on a stake in the center of town.

    Steverino (69d941)

  149. Gov. Palin did better than going on Letterman’s show, she left him with a knife [object]:

    Sarah Palin’s response via a statement was that she and her family had no intention of providing a ratings boost for the show by appearing, and that “it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.”

    furious (a74982)

  150. One apologizes for crude sexual humor directed at someone’s 14-year-old daughter by submitting to a beating by that 14-year-old’s dad, brothers, and male cousins. Old school.

    Not by hiding behind one’s camera crew and audience.

    furious (a74982)

  151. Some liberals have been running the talking point that it is unwise for Sarah to pick a fight with a comedian , because he will always have the last and better word, and a show to present it on.

    This implies that you should only engage weaklings and the disabled, people who can’t fight back.
    Cowards and thugs fight this way. I suppose those are the type of leader and the type of fight that democrats prefer.

    I like to think that I don’t pick my fights, or take my stands, based on the size and ability of my opponent, but rather on if he or she is in the wrong.

    papertiger (3cf898)

  152. papertiger,
    As usual, this leftist “advice” is motivated out of fear and wishful thinking Palin would fold. She isn’t intimidated by a big-shot TV figure and she unapologetically defends her family. That’s got to get some admiration for the underdog — especially with the hypocrisy in Letterman’s own glass house.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  153. #148- David Letterman will have the last word. He is not Andrew Dice Clay.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  154. #140- Dana, Letterman apologized for a rift of bad jokes on global television and offered an olive branch. Palin rejected a golden opportunity to make peace and a chance to ‘dress down’ Letterman face to face on his own show over the whole matter.

    Anyone who knows Letterman’s history from his NBC days is aware of his capacity for tortured introspection, particular on the content of his program. A Palin appearence would have won over some critics who accuse her of being a lightweight. But Palin chose not to. Remember she is an ex-sportscaster herself and knows which camera to turn to when the red light is on. What she has done is exploit her kids again for personal political gain. A shallow and obvious move. Serious Republicans desperate for fresh leadership know this is extremely short term thinking. And the echoes of this irrelevant, vaporish skirmish are all the conservatives have now to make noise. Which speaks volumes as well. A talk show comic delivered a rift of bad jokes. He apoligizes. Fire him. Liberal are evil. Sad. Recall what an angered Letterman did to McCain when the senator stood him up on an appearence. Great for Letterman. Great for ratings. Not helpful for McCain, who wisely made peace and minimized damage.

    The comic gets the last and best word.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  155. We have been blessed by the annoited, or at least the rantings of DuckCrap.

    AD - RtR/OS! (42a55e)

  156. Oh please, DCSCA. Letterman would not make a pimple on Sarah Palin’s ass. He is no comedian. He is a nasty asshole who appeals to other nasty assholes — about 1% of the population. And fast on his way to becoming a has-been nasty asshole.

    I thought McCain was an idiot for agreeing to appear on Letterman’s show and Palin is perfectly right not to dignify this metrosexual asshole married to a shaved basset hound.

    nk (67a6b3)

  157. #148- If Palin truly had the courage of her convictions, and the leaderships skills to be a heartbeat away from running the Free World, she’d have faced down Letterman on his own show and won game, set and match. Possibly even earned more respect from some of her harsher critics, myself included.

    Recall the time guest Jon Stewart faced down rightie Tucker Carlson on his own show, ‘Crossfire.’ It all but put a stake through the4 heart of that program and Carlson left CNN.

    But Palin chose not to. That says it all. She’s an opportunist. And a shallow one at that.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  158. Have you seen Letterman’s wife? Ace compared her to Bill Paxton but … Bill Paxton is much better looking.

    nk (67a6b3)

  159. #153- Humor is subjective. The point is Palin chose not take the opportunity to influence and change the very tone of discourse she’s railing againstm head on.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  160. DCSCA,

    When did taking your kid to a New York Yankee game morph into exploiting them for personal gain? If that’s your definition, then Obama is worse because he exploits his (even younger) daughters by incessantly publicizing their new school, swingset, puppy, wardrobes, and trip to Paris.

    DRJ (180b67)

  161. Look DCSCA, just because we irrelevant ones choose to engage a loser like you does not mean that a Presidential-caliber person has to engage some c________r with bad hair who failed clown school.

    nk (67a6b3)

  162. Good luck on that engagement. “Olive branch” indeed: “I meant to trash your 18 year old, not your 14 year old. And trash you, too. So please come on my ratings troubled show.”

    Sheesh.

    Eric Blair (eef042)

  163. “….Palin chose not take the opportunity to influence and change the very tone of discourse she’s railing againstm head on…”

    Does anyone sense the innate, fundamental irony here?

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  164. #148- David Letterman will have the last word. He is not Andrew Dice Clay.

    Comment by DCSCA — 6/13/2009 @ 2:05 pm

    Sarah didn’t pick this fight. Leatherface did.
    He thought the the air headed beauty queen would be an easy target.
    Now he’s going to get more then he bargained for.

    Victim of his own stupidity really. He should have never started believing his own press clippings.
    If he had actually read about Sarah from someone besides Keith Olbermann he would have known that she has made her career out of beating down overgrown bullies, still living off the fat of their faded, dimly remembered, glory days.

    papertiger (7b38bb)

  165. DCS has no sense of irony. Tapocketa, tapocketa, tapocketa.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  166. Again, it is advancing the idea that it is acceptable to make vile jokes at the expense of a 14 or 18 year old girl.

    JD (cbafaf)

  167. #157- DRJ, Palin won this on Day 2 hands down and forced a Letterman apology on a bad rift of jokes. The point is, Palin is perpetuating this hurt bird routine for short term attention and politic points with the base Right through exploiting her children, using the bad jokes as a platform to rail against something she chose to avoid confronting head on. It’s insincere. Her comment about keeping Willow away from Letterman was in poor taste as well and betrays her motives.

    Again, I say that had Palin accepted Letterman’s invitation to appear on his program and ‘dress him down’ face to face on his own home turf over the incident and the greater irritant of the coarsening of public discourse, humor or otherwise, she’d have generated a great deal of gravitas and probably won over critics. Letterman’s history is of being his own harshist critic on program content and an opportunity to clean up at least one act was deliberately avoided by Palin. That’s why her outrage, to me, is shallow and insincere. Recall what happened to Andrew ‘Dice’ Clay’s career. And what happened to Tucker Carlson on CNN’s ‘Crossfire’ when Jon Stewart appeared as a guest and confronted the verbal foodfighters head on. Stewart’s points were serious. And effective. It all by ended the 20 year run of that program.

    I firmly believe that the caliber of public discourse today on all sides, humor and otherwise, has coarsened far too much. Such is the result of unregulated cable programming and the loss of the Fairness Doctrine. But that’s a separate issue.

    Had Palin chosen to truly take this up as a ’cause’ and met it head on, I suspect she’d have rallied many to support her, myself included. But she did not.

    As for to the Obama’s, I agree 100% that it was completely unnecessary for their children to make the trip to Paris at taxpayer expense. Especially in these difficeult times. They have a swing set at home to play on near the Oval Office and don’t need to scamper about on the Eiffel Tower. And don’t think it hasn’t gone un-noticed, that on one Saturday night there’s dinner and a show in Manhattan and the next Saturday, a night on the town in Paris on the taxpayer’s dime as well. There’s a growing suspicion that the First Lady not only wears slacks, but the pants as well in that family.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  168. David Letterman will have the last word.

    Yes, I give it a week, and that last word will be “ouch”.

    papertiger (7b38bb)

  169. DSCSA – If Letterman really wanted to apologize, he would have called them directly, or gone to see them, and done it face-to-face like a man. Inviting her on the show was easy, weasely, and frankly kind of cowardly.

    JD (cbafaf)

  170. DRJ- Example of the coarsening of public discourse right here, See #162.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  171. And another jaw-dropping Extreme Irony Alert:

    “..Her comment about keeping Willow away from Letterman was in poor taste as well and betrays her motives…”

    Wow. Folks, think about that one.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  172. The idea that ASPCA is concerned with the coursening of the discourse is laughable.

    JD (cbafaf)

  173. #159- Good luck on that engagement. “Olive branch” indeed: “I meant to trash your 18 year old, not your 14 year old. And trash you, too. So please come on my ratings troubled show.”

    Sheesh.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 6/13/2009 @ 3:02 pm

    His contract renewal betrays little ratings problems. If sponsors drop out, others will take the spots. In fact, it would have been superb luck for the media savvy Palin to have taken her argument face to face with Letterman and pulled allies from all sides to her position. But she does not have the courage of her convictions and proven again to skeptics she’s a lightweight.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  174. JD,

    I’m not characterizing DCSCA but IMO it’s a small step from expecting us to accept that there are “a lot of different, normal ways for 13 to 18-year-old teenagers to have sex play” to expecting us to laugh at sexualized teens.

    DRJ (180b67)

  175. If she were really a lightweight, you lefties would not be so pants-shitting scared of her.

    nk (67a6b3)

  176. BOSS LIMBAUGH IS A FAT DRUG ADDICTED LOUSY HUSBAND WHO HIDES IN A ROOM YELLING AT A MICROPHONE SENDING OUT MARCHING ORDERS TO THE WORLD AND TELLING RETHUGLIKKKANS HOW TO THINK AND KICKING KITTENS.

    JD (cbafaf)

  177. #166- We’re not privy as ot whether he contacted them personally or not. But apologizing on global television for all to comment on can hardly be characterized as ‘cowardly.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  178. “But she does not have the courage of her convictions and proven again to skeptics she’s a lightweight.”

    OMG.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  179. DCSCA,

    This is your opportunity to set aside the tit-for-tat, course discussion you say you don’t like and earn mature respect, even when it isn’t easy. Or you can ask me to protect you from every slight. Which do you choose?

    DRJ (180b67)

  180. “..But apologizing on global television…”

    It was NOT an apology. It was, again, a case of “I was telling lewd sex jokes not about your 14 year old daughter, but your 18 year old daughter. And you wear make up like a slut. By the way, want to come on my television show?

    Sure you can keep repeating that Letterman “apologized,” but he did not. When McCain was a jerk about Chelsea Clinton, he not only apologized (read it for yourself) and then called Clinton personally. If Letterman was a real honorable person, he would call on the Palins personally.

    This use of the word “apology” brings me back to this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

    Like Inigo Montoya, I do not believe that that word means what he thinks it does.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  181. #168- Yes, think about it. Matt Lauer did and challenged her on it. It was a cheap shot on morning television by a politician, not a late night TV comic. Had she said that to Letterman face to face, it would have had a lot more impact.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  182. DCSCA,

    I’d like to see Palin on Letterman but I hope one reason she elected not to go on his show is that she doesn’t want to help his ratings. I’d much rather see her choose a competitor and watch Letterman’s ratings tank.

    DRJ (180b67)

  183. DCS wants to continue to complain that us bullies are hurting his widdle self. Hence the hilarious comment # 167.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  184. Comment by DRJ — 6/13/2009 @ 3:49 pm

    I’d like to see Letterman in the Iditarod. Versus any Palin.

    nk (67a6b3)

  185. nk, all hyperbole aside, Letterman should call the Palins and actually apologize personally. Again, that is what McCain did.

    As it stands, Letterman looks like what he is: a bitter old partisan perv.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  186. #176- It was. Accept it and move on. Otherwise, the backlash will surely come and conservatives will again be accused have having no new ideas other than to bash the media over and over. This is about 5 media cycles from becoming a ‘jumping the shark’ moment for conservatives.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  187. #175- No need for protection. Just a friendly reminder of where the flack can coming from. Apparently from the ground under my ‘right wing’. 😉

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  188. #181- How do you know her hasn’t?

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  189. Comment by Eric Blair — 6/13/2009 @ 3:56 pm

    I’m sorry to disagree, Eric. If it were me, I would not accept Letterman’s apology and I would not kiss and make up. And I do not have the stature of Sarah Palin. Letterman should be marginalized as a worm barely worth stepping on.

    nk (67a6b3)

  190. #184- typo, sorry. Her = he.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  191. Let’s see if I’ve got a handle on this:
    Letterman makes a crude, insulting remark about Palin’s 14-yr old daughter, and about the Governor herself, refuses to apologize, and this is a moment of crisis for Conservatism?
    Just what alternative universe does this dip-shit live in?

    AD - RtR/OS! (42a55e)

  192. nk,

    What an image! I’d pay to see Letterman in the Iditarod against anyone.

    DRJ (180b67)

  193. AD, #188, the congruence with reality seems minimal.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  194. Kind of a remake of “Iron Will,” DRJ?

    We should ask Todd Palin’s opinion. Husbands and fathers get a little exercised about “comics” making making sexual jokes about their wives and daughters.

    Oh, that’s right: she had it coming, running for office. The daughters, too, apparently.

    I’ll calm my fatherly reactions by imagining good old David Letterman clinging precariously to the back of a dogsled, with a grinning Todd Palin gaining….

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  195. PALIN IS A COWARD FOR NOT GOING ON THE SHOW OF THE GUY THAT JUST TOLD TASTELESS JOKES ABOUT HER AND HER FAMILY AND IMPROVE HIS RATINGS DESPITE HIS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO AN APOLOGY APOLOGY STUPID LIGHTWEIGHT WINGER LOSERS

    JD (cbafaf)

  196. How do we know that Letterman has not called them or apologized face-to-face? I can it cannot be stated beyond a shadow of a doubt, but there is less than an ice cube’s chance in hell that it happened and neither side has said anything about it. It is so unlikely as to be laughable. But, that is the kind of BS we have grown to expect from ASPCA.

    JD (cbafaf)

  197. #184- typo, sorry. Her = he.

    Comment by DCSCA — 6/13/2009 @ 4:03 pm

    No, DCSCA, you said it right the first time. Letterman is a she-male.

    nk (67a6b3)

  198. BTW, I am into that sword and other obsolete weapons stuff, but never so much that I wanted to dress up for the Society for Creative Anacronism? What are you there as in DC?

    nk (67a6b3)

  199. Letterman apologized for a rift of bad jokes on global television and offered an olive branch. Palin rejected a golden opportunity to make peace and a chance to ‘dress down’ Letterman face to face on his own show over the whole matter.

    DCSCA, I’m going to try to explain this once more: in order to make an apology, one has to actually apologize. An apology entails remorse and/or regret for a specific action or words, and in order to be a full apology, one apologizes to the person(s) that have been offended in order to ask forgiveness and (this is critical) in order to give the offended party an opportunity to forgive the offender and to restore the relationship.

    Letterman did none of this because a CYA manuever does not constitute an apology. An apology has the offended party’s best interest at heart – not one’s own. A CYA maneuver has the offendee’s best interest at heart. And that is what Letterman evidenced: he simply sought to assuage an audience who’s approval he relies upon and nothing more.

    Somehow I think you know this but refuse to acknowledge it. Perhaps your dislike of Palin negates the ability to look at the situation objectively, but please do not attempt to make us believe that Letterman did apologize. I’ve raised children and when they were young and fought with one another and were told to apologize, even their half-hearted apologies (because Mom said to), had more conviction and contrition in them than anything Letterman offered. And that’s not saying much… about Letterman, that is.

    Dana (aedf1d)

  200. Bravo, Dana. I speak as a father congratulating another parent on a simple truth that partisans on ALL sides so often use dishonestly.

    CYA was all it was, as you state. So, as I wrote before, “apologies” like the one Dave made should be called by a different name: lettermans.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  201. On the radio last night, the local host said something along the lines of

    “Sarah Palin used her kids as props on the campaign so she should expect this kind of thing. Now lets open the phone lines. Hello you’re on KFBK.”

    youngish sounding male caller – “You are the biggest idiot on radio. Replacing the other guy with you was the worst move this station ever made.”

    host “Thank you for your opinion. (click) Hello you’re on KFBK.”

    elderly woman – “I agree 100% with what the last caller said. You are an idiot. I’ve had this opinion for quite some time. If that were your daughter or wife you would be calling for Letterman’s job.”

    host – “Thanks for your opinion (click) Hello you’re on KFBK.”

    Middle aged male – “If letterman said that about Obama’s kid he would be floating in the harbor somewhere. It was totally out of line. oh and you’re an idiot.”

    host – “Thanks for your opinion (click). Kitty is there anyone who agrees with me on this? Can we get a caller who isn’t a Palin booster please.”

    “Hello your on KFBK.”

    A young sounding man – “Palin is playing this for publicity…. Not. I was just kidding. You’re an idiot.

    At this point I had to pull over before I caused an accident from LMAO.

    papertiger (db1823)

  202. Dana 5:34pm – The inability to recognize the concepts of remorse, regret and forgiveness, along with the idea of the establishment of an honest relationship, much less the restoration of one, are hallmarks not only of Letterman, but also the one you are addressing as well. This has already been established.

    When you commented “Somehow I think you know this but refuse to acknowledge it”, you were dead on in identifying the entire problem.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  203. NOW and David Letterman…

    I looked through their archives and there was nothing at all about the weeks of sexually degrading leftist hate visited upon on Carrie Prejean. That alone shows how politically biased this list is. They do criticize a few political personalities on t…..

    Doc Rampage (59ce3a)

  204. #197- Dana, Letterman has apologized on global television and acknowledged it was a bad rift of poor jokes.

    Whether you choose to accept that is up to you, but more so up to Palin. But if the conservative strategy is to continue a shrill attack on Letterman attempting more mia culpas for bad jokes, it’s going to backfire fairly fast and ‘jump the shark.’ And it will turn to his advantage.

    Personally, I feel Palin’s choice to not avail herself of a superb opportunity offered by Letterman to face him down on his own turf, so to speak, shows she does not have the courage of her convictions. She really could have gotten a face to face apology on set as well, truly scoring some gravitas points and winning fresh support. She made a calculated decision and opted not to do it. And appearing on a morning show firing off a cheap shot of her own only adds to the veneer of her insincerity. She is exploiting her children with faux outrage for face time on television. But that is her choice.

    Jon Stewart faced down Tucker Carlson on ‘Crossfire’ and the shoutfest (along with Carlson) soon disappeared from CNN. Even Reagan stood by the Berlin Wall and sternly barked across it to ‘tear it down.’ Apparently Palin wasn’t willing to muster similar moxie to face down Letterman and bark across his desk at him to ‘knock it off’ and demand a face to face apology. Given Letterman’s history of critical introspection regarding the content of his show, an opportunity was deliberately lost. That’s why her faux outrage days after is obviously insincere and at this point, purely political. Either way, she has allowwed the comic to get the last word.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  205. “…her faux outrage…”

    Oh, my. Of course a parent wouldn’t be outraged by sex jokes involving her daughters, nor by sexist nonsense dumped on her by a wrinkled muppet in a bad toupee. Not at all.

    Seems to me that some commenters are free and easy with all kinds of judgements of others.

    There is also a certain degree of repetiveness to that poster’s arguments. Time to move on, so to speak.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  206. #197- Somehow I think you know this but refuse to acknowledge it. Perhaps your dislike of Palin negates the ability to look at the situation objectively, but please do not attempt to make us believe that Letterman did apologize.

    Dana, this is not a personal matter of like or dislike. I disagree with Palin’s politics and have yet to see any evidence, from within her party or with out, that she is considered anything more than a lightweight who draws crowds and cash these days. But whether you choose to believe Letterman apologized is up to you and I’d it’s a waste of enery trying to convince conservatives he did. To believe he has not still has some cache to it for the right. Good fodder for blogs and talking heads. I’m content he has. If it serves a purpose for you to believe he has not, play it out for as long as it lasts. Which most probably will be midweek at best, or Palin makes guests on Letterman. She will, eventually. She has good media savvy.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  207. Have fun, Dana!

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  208. Those are lies and it is a liar. All is does is repeat the same comments over and over and over and over and over and over.

    We know what we need to about this one. It wants to annoy conservatives. It worked for NSA, CBS, knew Von Braun, and all sorts of other things. It thinks that the 14 or 18 year old children of politicians it does not like are fair game.

    No matter how many times its squawks that Letterman apologizes, it will not make it true. Letterman is a creep and a coward, and ones like DSCSA that apologize for that kind of person are no better.

    JD (4f5e05)

  209. This may be something, JD, that only parents appreciate. But then, we have Unusual Posters in the past who claimed to be parents and said the most outlandish things.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  210. Dana, this is not a personal matter of like or dislike.
    That is the funniest thing DCSCA has ever said here. Also the most unbelievable.

    I disagree with Palin’s politics and have yet to see any evidence, from within her party or with out, that she is considered anything more than a lightweight who draws crowds and cash these days.
    The first five words are obviously true; DCSCA has made abundantly clear its disdain for Palin and conservatives in general.
    The rest is a flat-out lie: There is plenty of evidence on this blog alone that commenters regard Palin as a serious politician who would make a far better president than the current one. I think so myself.

    But that doesn’t fit DCSCA’s template.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  211. DCSCA, basically you just make up a special little pocket universe to live in, where all the inconvenient reality is excluded.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  212. #208- There is plenty of evidence on this blog alone that commenters regard Palin as a serious politician who would make a far better president than the current one. I think so myself.\

    BBJF- That is your choice. It scares me, but then you are in the distinct minority. Moderates will never rally to a Palin presidential bid and by not confronting Letterman face to face, she missed a superb opportunity to begin to reshape the perception the majority has of her capabilities.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  213. Its Tourrette’s is acting up again tonite.

    JD (4f5e05)

  214. DCSCA,
    You said: “have yet to see any evidence.” Now it’s “in the distinct minority.” Sorta like what you said about Boss Limbaugh having zero dissenters on his show, then I showed that liberals get to the head of the caller line.

    Such a record of being constantly disproven isn’t helpful to your reputation.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  215. DCSCA, thank you for your polite response. We will have to agree to disagree. And I will leave it at this: I’ve had to make plenty of apologies in my adult life, and never once did it not include a great sense of contrition and humility. If it didn’t, it wouldn’t have been an apology.

    It’s irrelevant whether one is liberal or conservative because human nature is the same on both sides of the aisle. I’m unwilling to lower the bar for Letterman just because he’s a comedian, or an entertainer, or has a D after his name.

    Dana (aedf1d)

  216. DCSCA,
    Dana, Letterman has apologized on global television

    Not according to the Washington Post:
    Letterman Sends No Regrets
    Should Host Apologize to Palin? Sorry, No Consensus

    By Paul Farhi
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, June 13, 2009

    Don Imus apologized.

    Mel Gibson apologized. So did Michael Richards and the Greaseman (didn’t do much good).

    Politicians do it all the time. Shock jocks, actors and athletes do. Even Bill O’Reilly has done it.

    So why can’t David Letterman bring himself to apologize?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  217. I give it a week. Ten days tops.

    Tick tock.

    papertiger (db1823)

  218. Bradley – The lack of an actual apology appears to me to mean that either A) he thinks the non-apology suffices, or B) he is comfortable with what he said, and does not think it necessary. Frankly, either option does not say anything good about him.

    JD (4f5e05)

  219. JD,
    In Letterman’s social circle, they probably have no clue why there’s a controversy. As a conservative Christian Republican, Palin and her family are fair game for abuse. They’re of an inferior class, after all. The nerve of her to demand respect for her daughter!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  220. Bradley #214: because Letterman doesn’t think he did anything wrong.

    Eric Blair (db0f14)

  221. DuckCrap brings to the top of the memory bank a saying from the Old West that particularly applies to a$$holes such as himself:

    He needs to be horse-whipped, ’cause hangin’s too good for him!

    AD - RtR/OS! (42a55e)

  222. So Letterman thinks he’s a better class of old pervert that fantasizing about the public rape of an 18 year old is more acceptable than the public rape of a 14 year old?

    Perhaps in Letterman’s Lefty world it is acceptable to call airline attendants “sluty” or perhaps this is how he sees women in general. No doubt that’s the way he was raised which might explain his bastard children? Or did he ever bother to marry the woman who bore his children?

    My guess is that the phones are ringing off the hook at his advertisers. CBS doesn’t need this idiot, it demeans them and everything they stand for. Unless CBS stands for perverts and rape.

    Thomas Jackson (8ffd46)

  223. #214- A bit disingenuous. The WP piece is the opinion of a media critic. (Interesting, though, that Limbaugh’s ‘apology’ to Michael J. Fox isn’t on the list.) It’s just as easy to post MSNBC’s Olbermann reporting Letterman did apologize.

    OLBERMANN: “An eight-minute atonement, an admission of poor taste, but if you thought last night’s apology from David Letterman to the Palin family would be the end of it, you don’t know the Palin family. Our third story on the Countdown, Sarah and Todd Palin refuse to take yes for an answer, and refuse to accept the empathy of people of all political stripes, so they can, instead, martyr themselves and their daughters on a fake cross of pedophilia.”

    Some feel he did. Some don’t. I’m satisfied he did. Conservatives are not. It makes for good blog and talking head fodder when that’s all you’ve got.

    My point is that if Palin truly wanted an apology, she was handed a golden opportunity by Letterman himself to sit across from him, face to face, where she could have demonstrated some ‘I’m-paying-for-this-microphone’ Reaganesque leadership skills demanded one with righteous indignation, on air, on his own late night turf and literally embarrassed him into one. And she’d have most likely won over many critics. Instead, she made the shallow, calculated choice not to and instead fired off cheap shots on a morning TV show.

    Accordingly, I believe her outrage is tepid and opportunistic. And she is exploiting her children for political gain. And the longer it goes on, the worse she will look. Because Palin has this won on Day 2.

    You’ve said you believe Palin is presidential timber. I do not. The majority of Americans do not. She’s a lightweight. And if you’re honest with yourself, you’d have to wonder, if Palin won’t -or can’t- handle dressing down a late night TV comic, face to face, defending her kids in front of millions of viewers, then her capacity to deal with world leaders defending the United States on hard issues face to face can be questioned.

    But, please, encourage the GOP to nominate Palin for President in 2012. What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  224. “…And the longer it goes on, the worse she will look….”

    Let me fix that for you:

    “..And the longer it goes on, the worse I, DCSCA, will look…”

    You need to let this go. You are repeating yourself endlessly, and you are convincing no one. Your continual snide and partisan comments (i.e. if Palin is a lightweight, what is Biden?) about Palin amply demonstrate that you are not willing to look at her actions and motives with good faith and intellectual honesty. Your repeated smears about her actions with regard to her own children are especially telling.

    So please move on with your partisanship, that you say you detest in others, but is one of your defining characteristics. Along with an appalling mean-spiritedness.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  225. There is not a question as to whether or not Letterman apologized. He didn’t. He did say that he was not ripping her 14 year old, he was ripping her 18 year old. There is no “some feel she did” and “some feel she didn’t”. That is typical BS Leftist talk and media covering. Quoting Olberman is less credible than quoting a rabid ice weasel. But, all this thing does is apologize for DL, and state that the teenage children of conservative politicians are fair game, in its Tourrette’s version of an alternate reality.

    JD (fd2bc3)

  226. I think that all that has little to do with Letterman or Palin, JD.

    Eric Blair (5a226d)

  227. As someone said earlier, our hosts could post a recipe for mooseburger and some Obamaphiles would show up to attack Palin. I was not a big fan of hers, early on, but the more I see the froth-mouthed rage she induces in the left, the more I like her.

    nk (c67cf5)

  228. #222- I believe you have this backwards. Conservatives need to let this go. She had this won early on. The more Palin amps up her faux outrage, the more she snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. And it enhances the perception she’s a lightweight who’s easily rattled. A perception no doubt noted in most foreign capitals.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  229. “faux outrage”?
    Tell you what, let me buy you a ticket to Juneau, where you can make this accusation to the face of the Governor, or better yet – her husband, but your medical bills on are on you.

    AD - RtR/OS! (914de9)

  230. #221,”if Palin won’t -or can’t- handle dressing down a late night TV comic, face to face, defending her kids in front of millions of viewers, then her capacity to deal with world leaders defending the United States on hard issues face to face can be questioned.”

    That sounds like Mark Shields saying Sarah was a bad mother because she should have known his fellow liberal journalists would target her children.

    Should cowardly old perverts have been allowed to make sexual jokes about Obama’s daughters so the country could see how he defended his kids and judge his ability to handle world leaders?

    Were you really serious with this?

    Machinist (6218d0)

  231. Palin complains about sexual jokes about her teenage daughter.

    Obama whines about wanting to eat his waffle.

    Which impresses world leaders more?

    Machinist (6218d0)

  232. Reading this thread was better than the golf on TV.

    carlitos (84409d)

  233. DCSCA’s faux outrage about Palin’s “faux outrage” is going from one extreme of incoherence to another.

    DCSCA keeps labeling an “apology” that isn’t. Simple english has never been among DCSCA’s skill set.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  234. It’s just partisanship and sexism, marching in lockstep. And , most of all, an inability to admit error, something we have seen before from that particular poster.

    As for “class” and “courtesy,” I leave that judgement to other commenters. The record is available, and very clear cut. In my opinion. Others may differ.

    Eric Blair (6fe71a)

  235. I know that this is beating a dead horse, but the sexism in the Palin bashing is palpable. Look at the charges: Palin isn’t smart. Palin doesn’t know basic things. Palin uses her family for personal gain (a thoroughly despicable charge, that reveals a great deal about the accuser). I won’t even touch the “slutty” business. Let’s just stick with the attacks on intellect, presence in front of media, and related matters.

    Joe Biden has decades of experience on the national level…and he makes Palin look like President of Mensa. The record of Biden’s foolishness is staggering. And yet there is no mention of this in the MSM, or a shrug. Why the focus on Palin, who is clearly better in all of these areas, with far less experience, than Joe Biden. Leaving aside his acts of plagiarism. His snottiness in front of cameras. His two-faced attacks on Clarence Thomas. Let’s just stick with the past few years of Biden’s jaw-droppingly dumb performances.

    But there is no real discussion of that. Glenn Reynolds made the joke first, I think: “They said if I voted for McCain, I would get a fool for a Vice-President.” Well, it happened. Biden is a bad joke.

    And yet not a word from our Usual TLEs on that subject. Instead, attacks on Palin’s parenting skills, appearance, and “lack of knowledge.” Huh?

    As I say, sexism and partisanship—the Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup of the Left.

    It’s actually alphabetism: “D” makes everything okay. Or beneath notice, anyway.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  236. #197- Dana, Letterman has apologized on global television and acknowledged it was a bad rift of poor jokes.

    Whether you choose to accept that is up to you, but more so up to Palin. But if the conservative strategy is to continue a shrill attack on Letterman attempting more mia culpas for bad jokes, it’s going to backfire fairly fast and ‘jump the shark.’ And it will turn to his advantage.

    DCS, I think there is a job for you answering calls on KFBK. You’ve got all the required skills.

    Clueless ? Check
    Can’t learn anything ? Check
    Reliably left wing opinion contrary to all facts ? Check

    Think it over. I mean whatever you do instead of think.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  237. #235- We won? Check.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  238. DSCSA – Since you contend that there was an apology, could you please provide the full text that bears out your assertion?

    JD (7165d5)

  239. Eric, like anti-semitism, there is a lot of misogyny among the Left.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  240. DCSCA,
    I’ll second that call for a link that provides the apology you claimed was said. And for you to call anyone else “disingenuous”, after your performances here over these months, is just laughable. A repeat liar like you has zero credibility or grounds to judge anyone else.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  241. Didn’t he get put into heavy moderation?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  242. Patterico released DCSCA last week. You may be thinking of poon.

    DRJ (180b67)

  243. I think it would be nice for him to support this idea that an apology was given, with the actual text of the apology. Since it has claimed in about 50 comments that an apology was given, this should be quite easy.

    JD (7165d5)

  244. Well, you know what? This poster thrives on the attention. So I recommend that, each time a post is made by that person, folks just call him “a sexist who refuses to apologize for his sexism and base partisanship.”

    It makes more sense, and is fairer than, his endless repetition of attacks on the person of Sarah Palin. And I don’t mean disagreeing with her politics. I mean the constant drumbeat of attacks on her person. The business of accusing her of “using” her children is particularly disgusting.

    If he can do that sort of thing, based on his own opinion, why not receive some of that for himself?

    Or he might move to a different topic, and quit being a sexist who refuses to apologize for his sexism and his base partisanship that informs and drives that sexism.

    DRJ, I apologize to you for beating this particular deceased equine. But as a parent, the attacks on Palin’s family were particularly disgusting to me. Defending it, and calling Letterman’s mewling self-rationalization an “apology” were a bit much for me. And, again, the accusation that Palin was “using” her children says so very much about the accuser.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  245. Remember, JD, partisanship and PDS means never having to say you’re sorry.

    Eric Blair (57b266)

  246. Eric Blair – It isn’t you who beats a dead horse. Sadly, this site is becoming Patterico’s glue factory due to one particular commenter. A commenter who is not stupid, just broken.

    Yes, the problems have been identified, and as when you keep a skunk in the back seat of your car, you need to expect many, many detailing bills.

    The set of flawed assumptions that accompany each and every comment are specifically chosen to buttress an insular and pre-determined set of partisan facts. When challenged, a new set of assumptions are contrived to buttress the next ‘attack’.

    This is boring. I’m off to drink and watch the Lakers mop the floor.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  247. Considering DCSCA’s record of half-hearted apologies, it’s entirely in character for the troll to consider Letterman’s statement an apology. A real apology, with actual contrition, doesn’t appear to be in its lexicon.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (38b434)

  248. Again, Dana’s description/definition of “apology” bears close reading.

    Eric Blair (57b266)


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