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	<title>Comments on: Will Olympia Snowe derail Obamacare?</title>
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		<title>By: The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; ObamaCare: &#8220;We hope you guys know what you&#8217;re doing.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-570532</link>
		<dc:creator>The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; ObamaCare: &#8220;We hope you guys know what you&#8217;re doing.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1600 Penn. More broadly, the White House, especially Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, have been for the &#8220;public option with trigger&#8221; for months &#8212; which is why the usual lefty suspects are protesting now, and why the story [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1600 Penn. More broadly, the White House, especially Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, have been for the &#8220;public option with trigger&#8221; for months &#8212; which is why the usual lefty suspects are protesting now, and why the story [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The Obama Back-Peddle On Health Care? Not Believing It</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-548796</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The Obama Back-Peddle On Health Care? Not Believing It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about it. But Karl at Protein Wisdom thinks there could be a silver lining in this new tactic: Sen. Snowe has pushing the notion of a “public option with trigger” for months, and it has been the Left expressing dismay over the idea. True believers like Robert Reich say [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about it. But Karl at Protein Wisdom thinks there could be a silver lining in this new tactic: Sen. Snowe has pushing the notion of a “public option with trigger” for months, and it has been the Left expressing dismay over the idea. True believers like Robert Reich say [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; ObamaCare: Public option + trigger = exit strategy?</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-548753</link>
		<dc:creator>The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; ObamaCare: Public option + trigger = exit strategy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sen. Snowe has pushing the notion of a &#8220;public option with trigger&#8221; for months, and it has been the Left expressing dismay over the idea. True believers like Robert Reich say Snowe is fronting for Big Pharma and health insurers, with conditions that would be easily met by other pieces of the emerging legislation. Rahm Emanuel has been floating the trigger idea since January, again to the dismay of lefty groups like MoveOn. The left notes that congressional Republicans crafted a similar trigger for the Medicare prescription-drug benefit in 2003 &#8212; and it has never been triggered. For the left, the &#8220;public option&#8221; deferred is the &#8220;public option&#8221; denied. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sen. Snowe has pushing the notion of a &#8220;public option with trigger&#8221; for months, and it has been the Left expressing dismay over the idea. True believers like Robert Reich say Snowe is fronting for Big Pharma and health insurers, with conditions that would be easily met by other pieces of the emerging legislation. Rahm Emanuel has been floating the trigger idea since January, again to the dismay of lefty groups like MoveOn. The left notes that congressional Republicans crafted a similar trigger for the Medicare prescription-drug benefit in 2003 &#8212; and it has never been triggered. For the left, the &#8220;public option&#8221; deferred is the &#8220;public option&#8221; denied. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; Rocks, Hard Places &#38; Obamacare</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-512766</link>
		<dc:creator>The Greenroom &#187; Forum Archive &#187; Rocks, Hard Places &#38; Obamacare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trade-offs. Ultimately, they are unlikely to get meaningful support from the GOP (and I include Sen. Olympia Snowe in that statement). House Leftists threaten to kill a bill that does not include a strong [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] trade-offs. Ultimately, they are unlikely to get meaningful support from the GOP (and I include Sen. Olympia Snowe in that statement). House Leftists threaten to kill a bill that does not include a strong [...]</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-504692</link>
		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - poon OWNS this blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; poon OWNS this blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer")</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-504689</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;poon, it takes a special kind of incompetence to claim that Obama’s popularity is “steady as a rock” and link to the polling data that contradicts your claim.&lt;/i&gt;

If there was any doubt in my mind poon is Staunch Brayer, SPQR, it is gone now. I can&#039;t tell you how many times I refuted Staunch Brayer with his own links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>poon, it takes a special kind of incompetence to claim that Obama’s popularity is “steady as a rock” and link to the polling data that contradicts your claim.</i></p>
<p>If there was any doubt in my mind poon is Staunch Brayer, SPQR, it is gone now. I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I refuted Staunch Brayer with his own links.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-504638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way to reform healthcare is by gradually moving from employer based to fund based, sort of like CALPers. This is the French system. They lost a war, which gave them a chance to reform in a big jump but the government did not blow up the existing system. Doctors and hospitals are largely private and patients have free choice. 

The thing that killed the Clinton plan, which was supposed to have been based on the German system, was the secrecy and the criminal penalties that leaked out. The group doing the planning was made up of academics, many from Dartmouth. Obama&#039;s entire administration is made up of academics so I expect a similar crash and burn although this time it will be the entire economy.

I cannot believe that this will finally be swallowed but the AMA has been in bed with the feds since the late 80s. Hugh Hewitt is talking about boutique medicine. That is one option but they may not allow it. The Clinton Plan didn&#039;t. Instead what we may see is massive drop out. I could see doctors going largely private and a cash basis with hospitals still dealing with insurance. The poor would still use insurance and there would be a class of doctors who accept insurance, just as there is a class of doctors that deal with workers comp and with Medicaid.

 I deal with the workers comp group every day on the phone. Many are honest and just trying to do a good job. Most of these see few workers comp patients. There are also the mills and I suspect we will see (assuming Obamacare happens) a similar pattern with private doctors treating patients willing to pay privately, then another group that will abide by the rationing and the rules of the Obama plan.

We will see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way to reform healthcare is by gradually moving from employer based to fund based, sort of like CALPers. This is the French system. They lost a war, which gave them a chance to reform in a big jump but the government did not blow up the existing system. Doctors and hospitals are largely private and patients have free choice. </p>
<p>The thing that killed the Clinton plan, which was supposed to have been based on the German system, was the secrecy and the criminal penalties that leaked out. The group doing the planning was made up of academics, many from Dartmouth. Obama&#8217;s entire administration is made up of academics so I expect a similar crash and burn although this time it will be the entire economy.</p>
<p>I cannot believe that this will finally be swallowed but the AMA has been in bed with the feds since the late 80s. Hugh Hewitt is talking about boutique medicine. That is one option but they may not allow it. The Clinton Plan didn&#8217;t. Instead what we may see is massive drop out. I could see doctors going largely private and a cash basis with hospitals still dealing with insurance. The poor would still use insurance and there would be a class of doctors who accept insurance, just as there is a class of doctors that deal with workers comp and with Medicaid.</p>
<p> I deal with the workers comp group every day on the phone. Many are honest and just trying to do a good job. Most of these see few workers comp patients. There are also the mills and I suspect we will see (assuming Obamacare happens) a similar pattern with private doctors treating patients willing to pay privately, then another group that will abide by the rationing and the rules of the Obama plan.</p>
<p>We will see.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-504628</link>
		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing Obama&#039;s plan doesn&#039;t mandate people purchase insurance coverage or pay a penalty to be determined based on affordability by the government, because that would be equivalent to a tax and Obama said he was going to cut taxes for 95% of people and not raise any new ones, right.

Oh, wait, nevermind.  Another flip flop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing Obama&#8217;s plan doesn&#8217;t mandate people purchase insurance coverage or pay a penalty to be determined based on affordability by the government, because that would be equivalent to a tax and Obama said he was going to cut taxes for 95% of people and not raise any new ones, right.</p>
<p>Oh, wait, nevermind.  Another flip flop.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-504627</link>
		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have known 3 Goolsbees in my time.  None of them were to be trusted. Austan fits that mold.  Sorry.  If he told the Canadians on thing and us another and he works for this administration I have no good use for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have known 3 Goolsbees in my time.  None of them were to be trusted. Austan fits that mold.  Sorry.  If he told the Canadians on thing and us another and he works for this administration I have no good use for him.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/06/08/will-olympia-snowe-derail-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-504620</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dlaey - bac .20 is usually good for a couple TPM links and a couple of lifted quotes.  That is what it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dlaey &#8211; bac .20 is usually good for a couple TPM links and a couple of lifted quotes.  That is what it does.</p>
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