http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-magazine/features/3665648/apologise-for-torture-thats-not-appropriate.thtml

Off that list, I think Tim Pawlenty is the guy to go with.

The Left wants the govt to take on these burdens, the better to cause those in need to abandon their independance and spirit of self-reliance.
For, in the end, it is all about control.

Why did we have hesitate, Cheney was the best candidate with thirty years experience,before becoming Vice President. But they painted him as Darth Vader, he’s had six heartaches, that doesn’t phase him. He’s kind of a Colonel Jessup, sadly people ‘cant handle the truth’. So we ended up with McCain, the media’s candidate, because he attacked practically every faction of the Republican coalition. So almost by a process of elimination we ended up with a candidate no one really wanted So out of desperation, the one good thing he did was pick the freshest most authentic
candidate for VP. Because she bagged much of the dormant party establishment, and rode the wave of reform. So she was savaged by the Axelrod crew, who have never dared to have a fair fight, caricatured by a ditzy Second City comedianne who repeated brutally edited interview bits. Yet she fought as if the nation’s fate was on the line, because it was. Because unlike much of these characters, Gingrich included, she doesn’t mouth
words, she walks the walk. Because belief in faith
and family, prevents her from getting a swelled head, despite everything she doesn’t see the GOP
as a lost cause, on every issue you can practically name of, she has been right. And for that they have tried to bankrupt her under a blizzard of ethics complaints, all dismissed but at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars, personally and to the state’s coffers. ‘We really dodged a bullet there’, and we ended up with the mirror image of Cheney, with Biden, a figure respected by no one, not least of which
is his record of singularly bad calls from the TAPs line (against) author of FISA and VAWA, the War Powers Act, against the contras, the MX, the first Gulf War, for Iraqi partition

- Kevin Murphy

I do.

Huckabee seems to be what I often consider myself to be first and foremost, in the political realm or any other: a Christian.

The populism he speaks seems to stem from a conviction that it is our responsibility, either as Christians or as Good People, to take care of our proverbial widows and orphans, rather than adhering to the “if you die of starvation it’s your own damn fault” mindset that I think is all too common in the political language of modern conservativism. Whether or not he and I agree on the best way of taking care of those proverbial widows and orphans – which on a few points I’d assure you we do not – is secondary to the fact that I think he actually intends to help people in need through whatever means he can, because his religion says that he should. It’s the right kind of Christian crusade, in my mind.

On social issues: while I would argue with the man regarding rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s in regards to Constitutional guarantees of equality (i.e. gay marriage/civil unions), I agree with him on restricting abortion. I’m “pro-life”.

And he’s not Romney, who I think is more or less a scumbag.

She’s a lesbian AND she supports torture.

I know Rush is an entertainer. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’ve said as much: “Rush is an entertainer. He makes a living by pissing people off.” I know he is not running for anything, and you can deny it all you want, but the administration is not the only group of people who see Rush as the leader of the conservative movement. This isn’t a matter of fact, this is a matter of perception. His is the loudest voice in the conservative movement and that, given his overall (purposeful) boorishness, makes him the most quoted conservative out there. You may not think he’s the head of anything and I certainly don’t believe he speaks for me (though I do agree with him much of the time), but there is the perception (again, shared by more than just the White House) that he has become the de facto head of the conservative movement, and thus the Republican party. And so far, few conservatives of republicans are doing much to assuage the public of that view.

WTF are you talking about, Moby? This is the worst example of lame threadjacking we’ve seen here yet. Take a seat in the back with the dunce cap until you’ve learned how to debate an issue without the tinfoil hat on that pinhead.

WTF is with the “Moby” shit? I was trying to make the point that just because Rush is or isn’t (I honestly don’t know) a Republican doesn’t mean that people don’t think he is. The point I’ve been trying to make for the last 4 hours is that the facts don’t matter in this instance. It’s about perception. People believe that Rush is the leader of the conservatives and that can cause problems, not because he’s wrong, but because he’s an ass (and gets paid to be an ass), and that can turn a lot of people off at a time when we should be trying to get more people on board.

And I realize that this discussion has gotten way off topic and I really didn’t intend then. For my part, I voted Romney in the primary, so I could definitely get behind his run in 2012.