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		<title>By: A Bad day for the White House &#171; DaTechguy&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Bad day for the White House &#171; DaTechguy&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carlitos</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlitos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Poor would be hard hit by proposed California budget cuts&lt;/blockquote&gt;Bradley, it&#039;s hard to know whether to laugh or cry.  &lt;i&gt;Poor hardest hit&lt;/i&gt;.  Really.  I suggest that the Governator start with the cash grants for college kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Poor would be hard hit by proposed California budget cuts</p></blockquote>
<p>Bradley, it&#8217;s hard to know whether to laugh or cry.  <i>Poor hardest hit</i>.  Really.  I suggest that the Governator start with the cash grants for college kids.</p>
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		<title>By: danebramage</title>
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		<dc:creator>danebramage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@62, Cranbone wrote: &quot;Face it, they seem to really know how to manipulate the culture to get their way.&quot;

Wrong, wrong, wrong. They know how to manipulate the &lt;i&gt;populace&lt;/i&gt; using the instruments of culture that they have captured--the media, academia, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@62, Cranbone wrote: &#8220;Face it, they seem to really know how to manipulate the culture to get their way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong, wrong, wrong. They know how to manipulate the <i>populace</i> using the instruments of culture that they have captured&#8211;the media, academia, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget22-2009may22,0,4603538.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The predictable LA Times story on budget-slashing woes&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Poor would be hard hit by proposed California budget cuts&lt;/b&gt;
The governor suggests dismantling welfare programs for families and ending CalGrants for college students.

By Eric Bailey and Patrick McGreevy
May 22, 2009
&lt;i&gt;Reporting from Sacramento -- With deficit forecasts growing darker by the day, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is considering a plan to slash California&#039;s safety net for the poor by eliminating the state&#039;s main welfare program, health insurance for low-income families and cash grants to college students.

The stark proposal surfaced in testimony by the administration at a joint legislative hearing Thursday that followed the governor&#039;s decision to withdraw a week-old plan to borrow $5.5 billion to help balance the budget. . . &lt;/i?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget22-2009may22,0,4603538.story" rel="nofollow">The predictable LA Times story on budget-slashing woes</a></p>
<p><b>Poor would be hard hit by proposed California budget cuts</b><br />
The governor suggests dismantling welfare programs for families and ending CalGrants for college students.</p>
<p>By Eric Bailey and Patrick McGreevy<br />
May 22, 2009<br />
<i>Reporting from Sacramento &#8212; With deficit forecasts growing darker by the day, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is considering a plan to slash California&#8217;s safety net for the poor by eliminating the state&#8217;s main welfare program, health insurance for low-income families and cash grants to college students.</p>
<p>The stark proposal surfaced in testimony by the administration at a joint legislative hearing Thursday that followed the governor&#8217;s decision to withdraw a week-old plan to borrow $5.5 billion to help balance the budget. . . &lt;/i?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Liberty Pundit &#124; Oh, Those Stupid Voters That Hate High Taxes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty Pundit &#124; Oh, Those Stupid Voters That Hate High Taxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AD - RtR/OS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD - RtR/OS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Left has taken the lessons from &quot;the big lie&quot; to heart, and are very good at staying on message even if that message leaves people shaking their heads.  They just wear you down until you just give up.
Look how many times we have attacked the performance of the public-education system, attempted to impose a voucher system that would not have cost the average district one-cent, received promises from the EduCrats that if we just don&#039;t do vouchers they will fix the system, and then Lucy pulls the ball away, again.
They Lie, Lie, Lie, and they don&#039;t lose a bit of sleep over it because they are sociopaths when it comes to their rice-bowl.
And they accuse us of being hard-hearted and uncaring.
The performance of the public-education system re the minorities that it is supposed to serve couldn&#039;t do a worse job if it had been deliberately designed to fail by the KKK.
But, they&#039;ve got their jobs, their health-care, and their retirement benefits, so the rest of us can kiss their a$$!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left has taken the lessons from &#8220;the big lie&#8221; to heart, and are very good at staying on message even if that message leaves people shaking their heads.  They just wear you down until you just give up.<br />
Look how many times we have attacked the performance of the public-education system, attempted to impose a voucher system that would not have cost the average district one-cent, received promises from the EduCrats that if we just don&#8217;t do vouchers they will fix the system, and then Lucy pulls the ball away, again.<br />
They Lie, Lie, Lie, and they don&#8217;t lose a bit of sleep over it because they are sociopaths when it comes to their rice-bowl.<br />
And they accuse us of being hard-hearted and uncaring.<br />
The performance of the public-education system re the minorities that it is supposed to serve couldn&#8217;t do a worse job if it had been deliberately designed to fail by the KKK.<br />
But, they&#8217;ve got their jobs, their health-care, and their retirement benefits, so the rest of us can kiss their a$$!</p>
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		<title>By: Cranbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I&#039;m just a guy who happens to lean to the right and tries to pay attention to things.  I&#039;m not a pundit, lawyer or political junkie, but I really appreciate this and other blogs because I can test out my beliefs against some smart people.  

My question is (and thanks for your post, Mike K - I&#039;m sure that there&#039;s a whole back story there), &lt;i&gt;what is up with the CA GOP?&lt;/i&gt;  

As a guy who drives around and listens to all those commercials at election time, I always get the impression (at least over the last 10 to 15 years) that the CA GOP just doesn&#039;t care to fight for their side of the argument (I&#039;m talking about the perception created by a typical ad campaign...I KNOW that in reality that there are people who DO care and fight hard).  

Ok...so the unions have deeper pockets, but all I know is that I&#039;m on the receiving end of a PR campaign that sends the impression that the left believes in their side of the argument more the the right.  Again...just from the PR campaign part of it.  And THAT&#039;S what most Californians are exposed to...at least that what it seems like to me.  

The left is good at organizing and getting TV time, convincing people who don&#039;t have time to even do what I&#039;m doing now.  I imagine that they conclude &quot;Gee...that must be the &quot;good&quot; side of the argument&quot;.  

Much of the time by the right is spent pointing out the obvious and continuous bias in the media.  Understandable, but how do we combat the left&#039;s winning tactics?  Face it, they seem to really know how to manipulate the culture to get their way.  It won&#039;t take just a new conservative Governor.  There needs to be more balance in the legislature, and that&#039;s where the CA GOP comes in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#8217;m just a guy who happens to lean to the right and tries to pay attention to things.  I&#8217;m not a pundit, lawyer or political junkie, but I really appreciate this and other blogs because I can test out my beliefs against some smart people.  </p>
<p>My question is (and thanks for your post, Mike K &#8211; I&#8217;m sure that there&#8217;s a whole back story there), <i>what is up with the CA GOP?</i>  </p>
<p>As a guy who drives around and listens to all those commercials at election time, I always get the impression (at least over the last 10 to 15 years) that the CA GOP just doesn&#8217;t care to fight for their side of the argument (I&#8217;m talking about the perception created by a typical ad campaign&#8230;I KNOW that in reality that there are people who DO care and fight hard).  </p>
<p>Ok&#8230;so the unions have deeper pockets, but all I know is that I&#8217;m on the receiving end of a PR campaign that sends the impression that the left believes in their side of the argument more the the right.  Again&#8230;just from the PR campaign part of it.  And THAT&#8217;S what most Californians are exposed to&#8230;at least that what it seems like to me.  </p>
<p>The left is good at organizing and getting TV time, convincing people who don&#8217;t have time to even do what I&#8217;m doing now.  I imagine that they conclude &#8220;Gee&#8230;that must be the &#8220;good&#8221; side of the argument&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Much of the time by the right is spent pointing out the obvious and continuous bias in the media.  Understandable, but how do we combat the left&#8217;s winning tactics?  Face it, they seem to really know how to manipulate the culture to get their way.  It won&#8217;t take just a new conservative Governor.  There needs to be more balance in the legislature, and that&#8217;s where the CA GOP comes in.</p>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you needed any more explanation, politicians think voters are stupid. They just told you so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you needed any more explanation, politicians think voters are stupid. They just told you so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one real sense, the voters are responsible for the  debacle. They had &lt;a href=&quot;http://igs.berkeley.edu/library/htTaxSpendLimits2003.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the 1979 Gann Initiative&lt;/a&gt; that held state spending to population growth and CPI. Had that not been weakened by repeated nibbling away in subsequent initiatives, we would have a surplus. 

&lt;i&gt;Voters have modified the Gann limit in a series of initiative measures. Proposition 99* (1988) and Proposition 10* (1998) exempted new tobacco taxes from the Gann limit. Proposition 98* (1988) required public schools to receive a share of revenues exceeding the Gann limit. That share was changed to a flat 50% by Proposition 111* (1990). Proposition 111 also added three exemptions to the Gann limit: capital outlay spending, appropriations supported by increased gas taxes, and appropriations resulting from national disasters. Most significantly, Proposition 111 changed the formula used for calculating annual adjustments to the Gann limit. Under Proposition 111, the population factor is based on a weighted average of population and K-14 school enrollment growth (instead of population only), and the cost of living factor is based solely on California per-capita personal income growth (and no longer takes into account the Consumer Price Index).

The changes to the Gann limit formula under Proposition 111 substantially raised the Gann limit, making it less likely that the limit will be reached in the future. Many observers believe that in its current weakened state the Gann limit has ceased to be a meaningful constraint on state spending.&lt;/i&gt;

Part of the blame goes to the Republican Party in California that chose a mutual disarmament with the Democrats in the 90s whereby they accepted safe districts in the redistricting and a permanent minority status.  Each time there has been a chance to stop the slide into insolvency, the voters have been tricked by clever politicians. Willie Brown torpedoed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/29/us/california-redistricting-battle-is-casting-shadows-across-the-us.html?sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a redistricting plan&lt;/a&gt; after the 1990 census and bragged after the election that he had tricked the voters.

To some degree, the voters are to blame for letting themselves be tricked. On the other hand, they should have a right to expect the media to fairly explain the alternatives. The recent election suggests that they have decided the media is not to be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one real sense, the voters are responsible for the  debacle. They had <a href="http://igs.berkeley.edu/library/htTaxSpendLimits2003.html" rel="nofollow">the 1979 Gann Initiative</a> that held state spending to population growth and CPI. Had that not been weakened by repeated nibbling away in subsequent initiatives, we would have a surplus. </p>
<p><i>Voters have modified the Gann limit in a series of initiative measures. Proposition 99* (1988) and Proposition 10* (1998) exempted new tobacco taxes from the Gann limit. Proposition 98* (1988) required public schools to receive a share of revenues exceeding the Gann limit. That share was changed to a flat 50% by Proposition 111* (1990). Proposition 111 also added three exemptions to the Gann limit: capital outlay spending, appropriations supported by increased gas taxes, and appropriations resulting from national disasters. Most significantly, Proposition 111 changed the formula used for calculating annual adjustments to the Gann limit. Under Proposition 111, the population factor is based on a weighted average of population and K-14 school enrollment growth (instead of population only), and the cost of living factor is based solely on California per-capita personal income growth (and no longer takes into account the Consumer Price Index).</p>
<p>The changes to the Gann limit formula under Proposition 111 substantially raised the Gann limit, making it less likely that the limit will be reached in the future. Many observers believe that in its current weakened state the Gann limit has ceased to be a meaningful constraint on state spending.</i></p>
<p>Part of the blame goes to the Republican Party in California that chose a mutual disarmament with the Democrats in the 90s whereby they accepted safe districts in the redistricting and a permanent minority status.  Each time there has been a chance to stop the slide into insolvency, the voters have been tricked by clever politicians. Willie Brown torpedoed <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/29/us/california-redistricting-battle-is-casting-shadows-across-the-us.html?sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">a redistricting plan</a> after the 1990 census and bragged after the election that he had tricked the voters.</p>
<p>To some degree, the voters are to blame for letting themselves be tricked. On the other hand, they should have a right to expect the media to fairly explain the alternatives. The recent election suggests that they have decided the media is not to be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree completely - the GOP usually has the primaries already awarded to a candidate before the damn thing is even halfway over. Let the best man (or woman) win, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree completely &#8211; the GOP usually has the primaries already awarded to a candidate before the damn thing is even halfway over. Let the best man (or woman) win, period.</p>
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