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5/20/2009

Hasty Decisions

Filed under: Obama — DRJ @ 5:51 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Barack Obama was inaugurated President of the United States on January 20, 2009. As one of his first acts, he signed an Executive Order on January 22, 2009, ordering the closure of the detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base:

“Sec. 3. Closure of Detention Facilities at Guantánamo.

The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States.”

The Executive Order was the fulfillment of Obama’s long-standing, unequivocal campaign promise that he would close GTMO if elected President.

Today Obama’s Press Secretary, Robert Gibbs, apparently said Obama’s decision to close GTMO was a hasty decision:

“I don’t doubt that the President–and I think he’ll say this tomorrow–that we’ve made some hasty decisions that are now going to take some time to unwind. And closing Guantanamo Bay obviously is one of those decisions,” he added.

Gibbs later clarified his statement by saying that any hasty decisions that “we’ve made” referred to decisions made by the Bush Administration, decisions he said it will take the Obama Administration time to unwind.

It didn’t sound like that’s what Gibbs meant, especially since it was made in response to press questions about Congress’ refusal to authorize funding to close GTMO. But, whether he meant it or he didn’t, in today’s world sound-bites matter almost as much as substance. The Obama Administration will have to own this one.

— DRJ

153 Responses to “Hasty Decisions”

  1. Oh, cut Mr Gibbs some slack. After all, how would you like to have to try to explain some of the bovine feces that comes out of the Administration and still have to look like you had either sense or integrity?

    The sympathetic Dana (474dfc)

  2. Son unos come pinga huevones.

    HeavenSent (637168)

  3. Si hay un dios existe un infierno con ellos trabajando el carbon en la fuga. Hijo putas.

    Sorry. I just finished bouncing off walls at reading this one.

    HeavenSent (637168)

  4. The “explanation” makes no sense. How was Bush Administration policy regarding Gitmo “hasty”? It was running and under constant scrutiny for, what, 5-6 years?

    I think Mr. Gibbs just inadmittedly let the truth out.

    Techie (9c008e)

  5. Apparently there no one in this administration who says what they mean and mean what they say, without equivocation, without needing to clarify and/or explain, and without any backpedaling.

    Tomorrow is a new day, and after a slap on the wrist from Obama, a new opportunity for Gibbs to tell us what he really, really meant to say…

    Dana (4a6e8c)

  6. Comforting to know that these “people” are in charge of our national (in)security. When adults resume control of our government, someone let me know….

    DaveinPhoenix (699f08)

  7. He was right at first. It was a hasty and stupid decision. I predicted that this was going to come back and bite him in the a$$. Obama should just come out and say, “Okay, I screwed up again…”. It’s better than trying to act as though Americans are fools.

    The Emperor (09c9e3)

  8. “I don’t doubt that the President–and I think he’ll say this tomorrow–that we’ve made some hasty decisions that are now going to take some time to unwind. And closing Guantanamo Bay obviously is one of those decisions,” he added.

    BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA

    drjohn (862e69)

  9. This is the Do-Over Administration.

    Curtiss (dc1e94)

  10. So I guess this means that under Bush, our armed services personnel were engaged in wanton acts of torture of helpless innocents caught up in the midst of the battlefield, while under Obama our national police force will be engaged in lawyerly discussions with common criminals involved in traffic violations. Or something like that.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  11. Given that the next sentence said that closing Guantanamo was one of “those” decisions, I don’t buy the clarification.

    Robin S. (a84305)

  12. I know they (Obama & Co.) are up to no good … but give them credit for this, they do their ass-covering FIRST, unlike the Bush admin which led with its chin.

    Yep.

    Dana (4a6e8c)

  13. It’s better than trying to act as though Americans are fools.

    What other word would you use to describe a people who elected a man as their leader someone who promised to cause their utility bills to skyrocket; promised to at least significantly disarm the country and at worst reduce its station in the world to the level of, oh, ay, France; launched his political career in the home of an admitted domestic terrorist; and patronized a church and socialized with congregants who had no objection to their pastor shouting, “God damn America!”; and who was quoted as having said the Constitution’s restrictions on the central government’s power are something to be gotten around?

    Diffus (5b2335)

  14. Read Sec. 3 above. Obama and the Dems are not going to do ANYTHING until the year is up, when Gitmo MUST be closed by authority of the Executive Order, and then, “They shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility…”

    davidt (0c740c)

  15. Gibbs later clarified his statement by saying that any hasty decisions that “we’ve made” referred to decisions made by the Bush Administration…

    Since when does Obama refer to the Bush administration as “we”?

    sincewhen (4e81dc)

  16. Sheesh, between Biden and Gibbs, Obama has sure worked hard to make sure everyone around him is among the lower quintiles of IQ…

    SPQR (26be8b)

  17. “What we meant was …” Is becoming a common-place game Gibbs plays. Almost daily. After the entire hopeychangey campaign, when did Teh One start referring to the Bush Admin decisions as “we” ?

    JD (d467d3)

  18. JD, what happened to the part where Obama was so much smarter than W?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  19. What other word would you use to describe a people who elected a man as their leader someone who…promised to at least significantly disarm the country…

    Well, judging from this story, the gods–and the voters–truly do have a sense of humor:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5itp2xFPxgQ4TTpiTFLZQrJpRTAXQD98A7P886

    President Zero’s chiseled pecs and jutting jaw must be really tensing right now at the notion of signing his insane credit card company bill, which, at the same time, expands the rights of firearms owners in a major way. The GOP really got Zero’s goat on this one.

    MarkJ (d2394a)

  20. Pretty much everyone know what Biden’s IQ is, but will we ever get to know Obama’s? And now it seems we should ask about Gibbs. A confederacy of dunces!

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  21. *knows. sorry

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  22. I’m really looking forward to that, MarkJ.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  23. When Teh One or Gibbs “clarifies” something, what follows generally bears little resemblence to what was actually said previously.

    JD (d467d3)

  24. don’t doubt that the President–and I think he’ll say this tomorrow–that we’ve made some hasty decisions that are now going to take some time to unwind. And closing Guantanamo Bay obviously is one of those decisions

    Gibbs later clarified his statement by saying that any hasty decisions that “we’ve made” referred to decisions made by the Bush Administration, decisions he said it will take the Obama Administration time to unwind

    I’m sorry, but I forgot: just when did the Bush Administration close GTMO? Since closing GTMO was considered a hasty decision that had to be unwound….

    Steverino (69d941)

  25. Gotta say, I just saw the full clip and came away disappointed. After I read the transcript, I, too, thought they were tossing in the towel on GTMO.

    But, seeing the clip, I think an honest observer would have to agree that Gibbs was referring to un-winding the Bush Administration GTMA decision.

    Wish it weren’t the truth, but truth is what matters.

    Robert C. J. Parry (9ca0dc)

  26. Hope and change.

    The theme music for this administration is definitely “Gypsies in the Palace”.

    htom (412a17)

  27. Out of the mouths of babes comes the truth.

    That’s the old saying; and in this case it applies to things that come out of the mouth of a mental midget.

    I will say that I enjoy watching Gibbsie fumble his way through a session with the White House Press Corps. While they’re totally in the tank for Obama, they have started to nibble around the edges on Gibbsie.

    I sometimes think that Baghdad Bob managed to get out of Baghdad, put on a little weight, and lighten his hair and skin–and move to the White House Press Room.

    Mike Myers (674050)

  28. Robert,

    I can see your point of view, especially if Gibbs were referring to America when he talked about decisions “we’ve made.” But that interpretation doesn’t explain the following bolded portions in Gibbs’ statement:

    “I don’t doubt that the President –and I think he’ll say this tomorrow– that we’ve made some hasty decisions that are now going to take some time to unwind. And closing Guantanamo Bay obviously is one of those decisions,” he added.”

    I assume this means Obama plans to address closing GTMO in his foreign policy speech tomorrow. I could understand if Obama argued that establishing GTMO was a hasty decision on Bush’s part, but I don’t see how closing GTMO could be described as Bush haste.

    Perhaps Gibbs was talking in shorthand, i.e., closing GTMO is hard because it shouldn’t have been established in the first place. If so, he expressed it poorly so I think he has to own it. As we learned in the last 8 years, people notice when you garble the message that much.

    DRJ (f55947)

  29. First, diffus, welcome back.

    Second, does anyone doubt how the President’s speech will go tomorrow? It will be another sing-song along the lines of this:

    “America is the great shining example, but …

    Mistakes were made.

    However, we will move forward to re-establish our place in the …

    Now is the time to …

    But, we can longer do …

    So, today, I am saying that the continued … will be maintained

    And, as we move forward, …

    We will be able to show the American people — and the world — that the old policies were …

    And, we will be stronger and more secure in our place in the …”

    Ag80 (c86726)

  30. So, either putting the bad guys in Gitmo or closing Gitmo was a hasty decision.

    I do not remember when Teh Won made the decion to close Gitmo, I just remember he started screeching about it. I do remember the months of discussions about where to put the bad guys we captured before we decided on Gitmo.

    So, there is only one hasty decision, no matter what Teh Won or his stooges say. Putting bad guys in Gitmo was cussed and discussed almost as much as that “rush to war” that took so long.

    Peter (4e0dda)

  31. Gibbs makes me look socially competent and well reasoned.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  32. Expecting anyone in the Obama regime to make sense, especially Mr Gibbs, is like looking for unicorns. Theoretically, it’s possible. Practically, not on this planet.

    Ken Hahn (75c2c4)

  33. Comment by Ag80 — 5/20/2009 @ 9:40 pm

    You forgot the personal attacks directed at Cheney, and several point-by-point statements as to why Cheney is wrong.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  34. It’s the kind of thing that happens when your strength is rhetoric and sounding good when second guessing someone who is actually doing something.

    What Gibbs needed to avoid saying was:
    “We have discovered the detainees at Gitmo were not relief workers who were taken by mistake after all.

    More than that, other countries don’t want them.

    Even more than that, no Democratic Senator or Congressman wants them sent to their state, and there are not enough Republican held places to put them all.

    We are, however, working on a two-fer. We are looking at buying Alcatraz from California for a really, really, inflated price and putting them there. (Of course, the conditions won’t be near as good as Gitmo…)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  35. Robert Gibbs is a Moron!
    His only redeeming value is that his poor public speaking abilities are actually worse than his boss’ (unless we’re talking about TOTUS, that is).
    Just think how much better this will all be when they ramp-up their campaign for Junior-Class President!

    AD - RtR/OS! (69f7ae)

  36. Comment by MD in Philly — 5/20/2009 @ 10:36 pm

    Actually Doc, Alcatraz is already Federal property – but I’m sure we could find some desert sand to sell you to add to the Mojave National Monument (that is if DiFi’s husband hasn’t already bought up the available acreage so he can sell it to the Feds).

    AD - RtR/OS! (69f7ae)

  37. The decisions that created the Gitmo conundrum were not only hasty, they were deliberately taken in unprecedented secrecy — concealed even from key members of the president’s own staff and, most importantly, from the military’s own lawyers.

    Cheney, Addington and their acolytes, most of whom had zero experience in international law or the handling of prisoners in wartime, seized control of the policy and delivered it as a fait accompli for Bush’s rubber stamp.
    The most striking fact isn’t that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Ralph Nader were aghast at the results of these policies — as they ineluctably oozed into public view — but that the State Dept., high-ranking Defense Dept. officials and the military’s own lawyers were livid that the American history of opposing torture had been overturned on the sly by the Cheney gang.

    I am willing to give Obama one more benefit of the doubt on this. If his national security policies don’t turn around soon, though, he can be sure he won’t be getting my vote again in 2012 — unless, of course, the GOP follows its base and runs someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin.

    El Chingon (0618d2)

  38. Thank you, AD-RtROS!.

    Well, I guess the Feds could still put them there, it just won’t be a way to funnel money to help bail out California.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  39. Gibbs later clarified his statement

    What you mean is that Gibbs later lied through his teeth again.

    Reality bears very lightly on the shoulders of this administration.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  40. El Klingon – Could I subscribe to your newsletter? You have some interesting views.

    JD (355e34)

  41. As if we aqs a nation should give a fig about the views of Ralph Nader, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty Intl. or ACLU. Since when do they care about America’s interests in a good way?

    Could someone please explain why libruls have such great zeal for enabling terrorists, protecting their civil rights and constantly demonizing the last adminisistration.Heck, I’d like to know why most all of the libtards have a sexual desire for Ear Leader, who wears no clothes and can do no wrong. Mario backwards? Jap Condom? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone. I do hope Klingon doesn’t suffer irreparable tissue damage to his rectum from The One’s majestic penis.

    aoibhneas (55634c)

  42. That was the same lame excuse that San Fran Nan used when she got busted for calling the CIA liars. She was talking about those damn liars in the Bush administration. Gibbsy was just refering to the decisions that we’ve made when he was in the Bush administration. You remember, don’t you, when he worked in Dick Cheney’s office?

    Marie (00b84a)

  43. Could somebody teach aoibhneas how to write in complete sentences or how to spell before he/she posts again? I know this is a conservative site, but there should be some standards here, right?

    unless, of course, the GOP follows its base and runs someone like Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin.

    I am afraid that they cannot help themselves. They really don’t have anybody else to run, and they actually think that Amerca will vote for a hard right candidate. We should wish them luck through our knowing smiles. :-)

    bells bells (d40368)

  44. Todos los chingados creen que chingones son.

    nk (a1896a)

  45. It appears we are looking at the front edge of another infestation …

    JD (4736a1)

  46. Infestation of intelligence, to be sure, JD. But, I’m sure you can come up with a moving argument for why a candidate in 2012 who is less likely to appeal to moderates will actually win the day for the conservatives.

    bells bells (d40368)

  47. Why are you so sure a fiscally conservative candidate is less likely to appeal to moderates in 2012? Especially if things don’t turn immediately as rosy as Obams’s economic team are praying they will.

    “It’s the economy, stupid.” Time to start reprinting those buttons/bumperstickers?

    Techie (9c008e)

  48. JD, I’m inclined to cut our friends from the left here, who desperately want the GOP to win in 2010 and 2012, a little slack about their advice. Let’s hear them out.

    nk (a1896a)

  49. And you’re going to tell me how the American public will be sold that Sarah Palin is the answer to our economic woes. It is going to be a long 4 years for you if you’re going to be holding out hope that the economy will stay bad. I guess that is less bleak than what conservatives did from 2001 to 2004, which was hope that the climate of fear continues. Luckily, with Bush’s foreign policy ‘victories’ he was able to keep the American public terrified. I guess we’ll call that a win for y’all.

    bells bells (d40368)

  50. Comment by bells bells — 5/21/2009 @ 7:35 am

    As we saw in the last election, money talks. Obama’s $750 million versus McCain’s $89 million. So if you are so invested in the Republicans winning in 2010 and 2012, when can we expect your check, bells bells?

    nk (a1896a)

  51. And you’re going to tell me how the American public will be sold that Sarah Palin is the answer to our economic woes

    The only ones saying this are those on the left.

    Something tells me bells bells has a little sock lint on its hand.

    Steverino (69d941)

  52. Day of Reckoning looms for the US Dollar

    he U.S. dollar’s day of reckoning may be inching closer as its status as a safe-haven currency fades with every uptick in stocks and commodities and its potential risks – debt and inflation – are brought under a harsher spotlight.

    Ashraf Laidi, chief market strategist at CMC Markets, said Wednesday a “serious case of dollar damage” was underway.

    “We long warned about the day of reckoning for the dollar emerging at the next economic recovery,” Mr. Laidi said in a note.

    Mr. Laidi said economic recovery would weigh on the greenback as real demand for commodities, coupled with improved risk appetite, caused investors to seek higher yields in emerging markets and commodity currencies. This would draw investment away from the U.S. dollar, which was dragged down by growing debt and the risk quantitative easing would eventually spark a surge in inflation.

    The U.S. dollar slid against most major currencies Wednesday, hitting a five-month low of US$1.3775 against the euro and pushing the Canadian dollar up US1.21¢ to a seven-month high of US87.69¢.

    “Hold out hope”?? Nice try, guess realism is now discouraged?

    Luckily, with Bush’s foreign policy ‘victories’ he was able to keep the American public terrified

    Yes, so terrifying that he installed a allied government w/ Western sensibilities in Afghanistan, smashed Saddam’s regime in 3 weeks, persuaded Libya to give up its nuclear program, thwarted major terrorist attacks planned for US soil, and kept the domestic peace for 7 years after the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor. So much for “terrified”.

    Techie (9c008e)

  53. Steverino: So those on the right are going to try to sell Sarah Palin without selling her economic experience? I thought ‘it was the economy, stupid’. Explain.

    bells bells (d40368)

  54. Rush! Palin! Jindal! Good Allah, they are like a broken record.

    Luckily, with Bush’s foreign policy ‘victories’ he was able to keep the American public terrified

    Ironic how Teh One is continuing on with all of those evil, criminal policies that provided for so much self-Lefteous indignation, huh?

    Just another Leftist dropping by to tell conservatives that they should act more like Leftists. No thanks.

    JD (4736a1)

  55. I am going to take a bow, and point out that I called this one from but one comment.

    JD (4736a1)

  56. Teh One, Dear Leader, Ear Leader, Barry, Baracky! Who is calling whom a broken record here?

    bells bells (d40368)

  57. The only thing that terrified you, bells bells, was Sarah Palin. Let’s see where the Magical Mau Mau’s “economic experience”, i.e. getting a $300,000.00 a year salary for his wife when he became Senator for a position that was eliminated when he became President, and getting Tony Rezko to buy him a house he could not afford, gets us.

    nk (a1896a)

  58. First we have this fine whine:

    Could somebody teach aoibhneas how to write in complete sentences or how to spell before he/she posts again

    Which is then followed immediately, in the same post, by this gem:

    think that Amerca will vote for a hard right candidate

    Which is then followed up with the final riposte:

    Infestation of intelligence, to be sure, JD

    …”and I am EDUMACATED!”

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  59. I am looking forward to the Alaska pitbull vs. the Chicago butt-boy, without the Arizona deadwood.

    nk (a1896a)

  60. You. I am calling you and your ilk a broken record. You are so fixated on people like Palinand Rush, you fail to recognize or even care about the abject dishonesty and perfidy that your party engaged in over the past several years. But, frankly, it does not matter what anyone types to you in response, you will continue on about Palin being some kind of evil God-botherer, or moveon.org to Rush, Jindal, etc …

    It is amusing to see that the Governor of Alaska scares you so much. It is not really clear how she threatens your existence so, but amusing nonetheless.

    JD (4736a1)

  61. If you’re so sure that the sentence is flawed why didn’t you repost the entire sentence? I guess you have to resort to half-truths to make your point. Typical conservative.

    bells bells (d40368)

  62. Steverino: So those on the right are going to try to sell Sarah Palin without selling her economic experience?

    Your statement presumes facts not in evidence. The only ones touting Sarah Palin are those on the left.

    JD, take a well-deserved bow.

    Steverino (69d941)

  63. Balls in my Mouth is all too typical of the Troll – flinging feces monger we’ve come to expect here.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  64. Who is Palinand Rush? Is that a super-terrifying hybrid? Yikes. Teen pregnancy and drugs abound!

    bells bells (d40368)

  65. Teen pregnancy and drugs abound!

    Among the Empty Suit’s constituency? Definitely.

    nk (a1896a)

  66. What is Amerca?

    See JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls. Barcky is having a bad bad bad week, and as a result, we can expect an increase in the frequency and vitriol of the trolls.

    JD (4736a1)

  67. I am looking forward to the Alaska pitbull vs. the Chicago butt-boy, without the Arizona deadwood.

    Comment by nk — 5/21/2009 @ 7:52 am

    Me too. I just hope they have a backup candidate ready when she can’t answer the softball questions from Couric.

    Couric: What is your middle name?

    Palin: We in Alaska are mainstream like everybody else. We all have middle names. Mine just escapes me at the moment. Um. Bridge to know-where? Lipstick on a thanks but no thanks? I pass.

    bells bells (d40368)

  68. If you’re so sure that the sentence is flawed why didn’t you repost the entire sentence?

    Sure, BallsMouth, whatever you say:

    They really don’t have anybody else to run, and they actually think that Amerca will vote for a hard right candidate. We should wish them luck through our knowing smiles.

    Wow – you sure told me, eh? Yet you still cannot fathom that incorrectly spelling AMERICA makes you look even more foolish than possible. We await your brilliant reply as to how farking up your own country’s name qualifies you for the second coming of Webster.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  69. Ohh, brilliant! You really got me. Address your brother’s “palinand” post, then gather your pride and see me after a few oxycontins.

    bells bells (d40368)

  70. Teen pregnancy and drugs abound!

    More projection from our own cute little Trolly. Are you a teen – aged crack whore, Ballsy? You certainly type like one – please, BREAK THE CYCLE OF DEPENDENCE!

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  71. bells bells, I honestly appreciate your advice on how the GOP can get back into power — in the White House and in the Congress — but I believe that we need money. One more time, when can we expect your check?

    nk (a1896a)

  72. I don’t think our president is having a bad week. But, as they say in Disney:

    When you wish upon a star….

    bells bells (d40368)

  73. then gather your pride and see me after a few oxycontins

    I see the crack whore’s been faithfully regurgitating the standard memes from Kos – land. Wonder if it usually spells America as Amerikka.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  74. Back to the topic at hand … balls balls balls – What do you think about Teh One co-opting so many of President Bush’s policies, policies that were evil and criminal when Teh One was running for office?

    JD (4736a1)

  75. Tell me this: How are you going to rescue Jonah (the republican party) from the belly of the whale (Palinand Rush)? Nobody is talking about your party without your talk box. Oh! That would be fun. Maybe Rush can do his show through a frampton-esque guitar solo thing. It would be a treat for those tripping over themselves promoting your party’s forgotten ethics and economic principals. If you plan to sell ethics you have some house cleaning to do within your tent.

    bells bells (d40368)

  76. And now the countdown to the other memes will commence shortly:

    – BloodforOilHalliburton!
    – CheneyRovianmindcontrolblackhelicopters!
    – Twoof to Power!

    And finally;

    – FIRE DOESN’T MELT STEEL!

    Ten…Nine…Eight…Seven…

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  77. Dmac – They spell it AmeriKKKa, 3 K’s capitalized. Get with the program. It is a celebration of Sen. Byrd’s acheivement in the Dem party.

    Teh One is having a great week. More validation of Bush policies. Taking over GM out of bankruptcy. The Senate slaps his idea about Guantanamo. He feels the need to pre-but Cheney’s speech on national defense. Gibbs places both feet in his mouth, again. Ditto Biden. Great week.

    JD (4736a1)

  78. Call him your president and give him the proper respect, then we’ll talk about the topic at hand, butt-nugget.

    bells bells (d40368)

  79. – RushdrugaddictfatloservoiceofGOP!
    – Palinredneckhillbillyfakechildbirthfundiegunnut!
    – HelpImtrappedinmyparentsbasement!

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  80. Teh One is my President, and I have plenty of respect for the Office.

    JD (4736a1)

  81. This is not Obama’s fault.

    He wants to close Gitmo and Congress is stopping him. If it isn’t Bush’s fault then it must be their fault.

    Obama had a plan. Say wonderful things and then blame Congress for imposing reality.

    Repeat it with me – Yes We Can.

    Amphipolis` (fdbc48)

  82. I am not so sure that the senate’s admissioin that Gitmo is an uncleanable catastrophe is reallly a ‘win’ for Bush’s policies. Even Coolidge didn’t create a mess so big it couldn’t be cleaned up. You must be proud.

    bells bells (d40368)

  83. bells bells,

    Roxanne-like, I have fallen in love with you just by your words posted here. What kind of underwear do you have on?

    nk (a1896a)

  84. admission*

    I know how you guys are spelling hawks. An error like that could put me in Gitmo…

    bells bells (d40368)

  85. Call him your president and give him the proper respect

    Ah, the last refuge of the ignorant and defeated douchebag – retreat to pleas for respect, because after all, they afforded BushHitlerTorturer all kinds of respect over the plast eight years.

    Either answer the questions or admit you’ve been beclowned permanently.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  86. Again, I am going to take a bow for accurately smelling this vile little vermin from its initial comment. Everything since has been but supporting documentation.

    JD (4736a1)

  87. But it could have a very cute little patootie, JD. I call dibs.

    nk (a1896a)

  88. We’re all over your incoherent grammar because you called out another commenter on exactly the same thing. Do you not understand what the word “hypocricy” means?

    I am not so sure that the senate’s admissioin

    Wait a minute – is that you, Mario?

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  89. JD, you definitely win the prize for the early call on this one. Congrats.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  90. Dmac, I don’t think bells bells is Oiram…I think it’s DCSCA.

    Whoever he is, he has hijacked this thread.

    Steverino (69d941)

  91. bells, the Senate did not admit that it was an uncleanable catastrophe. It admitted that Obama has no plan to fulfill his order, other than a request for money.

    Bush’s fault. Bush’s fault. Got to be Bush’s fault.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  92. Never mind these guys, bells bells. Tell me if I also interest you at all.

    nk (a1896a)

  93. I believe the topic was how big of a liar Gibbs is, and how he makes Scott McClelland look competent.

    JD (8e9826)

  94. This specious argument of the “safety of innocents over the rights of terrorists” is the classic false choice for which the Autocrat (formerly known as Republican) Party is famous. The “Greatest Generation” housed over 400,000 avowed enemies of America on U.S. soil in POW camps ALL OVER AMERICA. After defeating their hateful ideology without having to torture or abuse them, we demonstrated that good can triumph over evil.

    But we are the panicked, foolish, weak descendants of our grandparents, apparently, and are incapable of incarcerating and meting out justice to 200 detainees, who would appear to have warlock supernatural powers, we fear them so irrationally.

    Finally, we have a President who is leading us to close the shameful Al Qaeda recruiting campaign known as Guantanamo, and my only fear is that he speaks to a public so functionally illiterate that we can be herded like cattle by a little fear-mongering.

    Ron Honn (d8760c)

  95. Ron Honn – What public school did you learn history in? Could I subscribe to your newsletter?

    JD (8e9826)

  96. This is Teh One’s greatest week EVAH !!!!

    I like how he was so concerned again about TV commercials in his speech today. Oh, the horror.

    JD (8e9826)

  97. Ron Honn doesn’t seem to know the difference between uniformed soldiers captured on the battlefield and non-uniformed unlawful combatants.

    He also doesn’t seem to remember that thousands of American citizens who happened to be of Japanese descent were rounded up and sent to camps for the crime of being Japanese, all done by fear-mongering Democrats.

    Steverino (69d941)

  98. we are the panicked, foolish, weak descendants of our grandparent

    Who is this “we”, Kemosabe?

    Techie (9fd7a0)

  99. Ron Honn, are you really that ignorant of history? Oh, right, you are a Democrat – what did I expect?

    SPQR (72771e)

  100. You gotta hand it to them thought. It takes a great deal of commitment to come out and troll on the morning where The One Lightworker forgets the name of his SecDef.

    Introducing SecDef “William” Gates

    Techie (9fd7a0)

  101. Dmac @8:19 am – apparently uou have forgotten that “Oiram” isn’t “Mario backwards” – “Oiram” is a so-fisticated and cunning concealment using Igpay-Atinlay for “mOira” – the lady who doth project WAY too much …

    Alasdair (6b086e)

  102. Todos los chingados creen que chingones son.

    Comment by nk — 5/21/2009 @ 7:15 am

    I just spit half-chewed chef’s salad all over my new laptop. Thanks a lot.

    carlitos (2703cf)

  103. As much as I hate to agree with ex-Vice President Cheney; I think Obama’s policies on national security are weakening our position against extremists. Take North Korea, the only reason they are defying the US and UN is to blackmail them into providing monetary aide so that the current regime can continue to stay in power. Iran is also pulling the same stunt by defying the UN and world powers on it’s stance with it’s nuclear program. If we continue to allow such acts and bend to their needs they will continue to exploit our weakness to keep the peace. Both Iran and North Korea have publicly announce their intentions of waging war if their programs or leaders are not allowed to continue, but if the US makes one aggressive act against either we are instantly considered the instigator and bully. Sorry, but it’s time to take a firm stance and stop the non-sense from extremists and nations run by extremists. We prevailed in World War I and World War II to stop such non-sense and if we continue to turn a blind-eye we will find ourselves in a similar situation where we have to fight a global war on extremism.

    Ken (a0ad3e)

  104. we have a President who is leading us

    Wishful thinking is not leadership. Leadership requires a plan.

    If Obama’s Gitmo plans are so great, why aren’t the Democrats in Congress funding them?

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  105. Compare and contrast Teh One’s prebuttal to Cheney’s speech. Baracky is going to need to do a rebuttal and clarification of his prebuttal.

    JD (8e9826)

  106. I’m going to stay on the porch on this one, but I think tinkerbell is TnJ.

    AD - RtR/OS! (00ce61)

  107. Cool – I didn’t know that the founder of Microsoft is our Defense Secretary.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  108. To the “moderates” who keep telling conservatives that they won’t vote for a conservative Republican: You won’t vote Republican anyway. You’ll whine and cry and demand we nominate another McCain then you’ll find any excuse to vote for the most liberal candidate you think has the slightest chance of winning. You don’t want a moderate Republican as President, you want to control the GOP so that it won’t appeal to the truly undecided.

    Ken Hahn (f26e74)

  109. TOTUS is going to get schooled!
    Not pretty.
    The guy is such an empty suit, that he just doesn’t know when he is reading crap.
    Even the Manchurian Candidate could think on his feet.

    AD - RtR/OS! (00ce61)

  110. Cool – I didn’t know that the founder of Microsoft is our Defense Secretary.

    Great, now we’ll have feature and code bloat in the military. And weekly patches.

    Steverino (69d941)

  111. …not to mention the regularly scheduled freeze -ups of our weapons systems. Lock and Load!

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  112. No electronics on an M1a, or a 1911.
    First time, every time!
    See and ID the target;
    a steady 6-o’clock hold;
    slowly squeeze the trigger.
    Acquire new target.
    Rinse and repeat as neccessary.

    AD - RtR/OS! (00ce61)

  113. No tupperware guns for AD, I see.

    SPQR (72771e)

  114. Well, I do keep up with current trends (did a session last night with an XD-45, in fact – got trounced by an 86-yr old retired Chief with a Para) and have a “Mouse Gun” or two stuck away somewhere; but, you go with those that brought you.

    AD - RtR/OS! (00ce61)

  115. I think he meant Gitmo itself was a hasty decision. Note how Baracky added that word to his speech today. Didn’t help by the way. Made him look like Urkel next to The Rock.

    Patricia (2183bb)

  116. All Duh! One wants to do is move the detainees somewhere else with essentially the same rights, all for the sake of fucking appearances. The muslim fanatics aren’t going to love us if we relocate the prisoners somewhere else. Americans don’t want the prisoners here only to have dome kooky liberal judge demand they be released on American soil. Are other people who’s approval Obama is desperately seeking not going to see through whatever wall of smoke and mirrors he thinks this erecting? I doubt it.

    Essentially he wants to spend $80-100 million or whatever it is to placate a bunch of fringe lefties who will never be satisfied unless we actually release all the prisoners and to grovel in front of international human rights groups who already hated the U.S. in any event.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  117. we’ve made some hasty decisions…And closing Guantanamo Bay obviously is one of those decisions
    Gibbs

    It is becoming more obvious all the time

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  118. Call him your president and give him the proper respect

    Ah, the last refuge of the ignorant and defeated douchebag – retreat to pleas for respect, because after all, they afforded BushHitlerTorturer all kinds of respect over the plast eight years.

    Either answer the questions or admit you’ve been beclowned permanently.

    Comment by Dmac — 5/21/2009 @ 8:15 am

    Yeah! Don’t worry about actually asking any serious questions, Dmac. We’re conservatives, we don’t have to! All we need to do to beclown those stupid libs is to not ask them questions then ask them to answer them or admit they are beclowned! I loooove being a conservative.

    Steverino: So those on the right are going to try to sell Sarah Palin without selling her economic experience?

    Your statement presumes facts not in evidence. The only ones touting Sarah Palin are those on the left.

    JD, take a well-deserved bow.

    Comment by Steverino — 5/21/2009 @ 7:54 am

    Most libtards would read that, then go back just three comments to nk’s post in which he dreamed about our knight-ette in shining governorship squaring off against that mutt from chicago and say that stevo is a big old liar. But we all know better than that, don’t we boys? This is our own outpost, so we don’t really have to worry about reading all of the things posted in order to speak as experts on it. I mean, hello? Look at the state of things now. They were so much better before Obama took office. Now we’re just minutes away from being taken over by Canada because NObama has ruined our army and our economy.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  119. Jeffrey Diamond appears to be off its meds again. The Moby trolls are the most dishonest of the bunch.

    JD (6e32db)

  120. JD. I love you, man. I really do. I mean, as both a conservative and a brother in Christ (obviously both of those not mutually exclusive, of course), but I have to ask: Do you ever get any work done during the day? Whatever job you have cannot possibly be getting done if you respond to every post within 50 seconds. As a worshipper of the only true religion, capitalism, I have to ask you to get back to work (that is, unless you are underpaying an especially intelligent, rare, i know, democrat to do your work for you).

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  121. Most libtards would read that, then go back just three comments to nk’s post in which he dreamed about our knight-ette in shining governorship squaring off against that mutt from chicago and say that stevo is a big old liar

    Then again, most reasonable people would assume that Steverino and nk cross-posted.

    Seriously, Jeffrey, if you’re going to call me a liar, you need to do better than this.

    Steverino (69d941)

  122. “Jeffery Diamond” – as this is a DRJ post, you may want to familiarize yourself with the environment here. If you would like to discuss things honestly, that would be welcome change from your current “conservative” imitation act.

    carlitos (a0089e)

  123. I’m not calling you a liar, stevo. I was defending you for calling someone else out when you clearly did not read all of the posts. We are all in this together, buddy.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  124. I’m not calling you a liar, stevo. I was defending you for calling someone else out when you clearly did not read all of the posts.

    Another half-truth. Nk’s post had not appeared when I started typing mine. There’s a difference between cross-posting and not reading the posts.

    Steverino (69d941)

  125. Well then I’m sure an apology will do you just fine. Or wait. That other guy was a dem wasn’t he? He doesn’t deserve an apology. You don’t even have to admit you are wrong. We will all chalk it up to being ordained as God’s party.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  126. Diamond is back with this act? Sheesh, get a broom.

    SPQR (72771e)

  127. Does this really add value here?

    carlitos (a0089e)

  128. It is a lying disingenuous twit. Jeffrey – you and I are not brothers in anything, nor do I consort with the likes of you. I prolly paid more in taxes than you earned last year, so don’t go worrying about me.

    JD (cb96c4)

  129. Perhaps not. But I am glad that JD took my advice and started doing his job again. I was a little worried about him.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  130. Oops. I spoke too soon. You are not doing your job like a good boy, JD. Since you are a fellow conservative I simply have to apologize. I offer you the the most sincere apology for implying you had taken a small break from the blog in order to get some work done. I will never assume you were being productive again.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  131. Go f*uck yourself. Liar.

    JD (cb96c4)

  132. Hmmm, some interesting points. In the Obama administration, Deputy Solicitor General Neal Katyal represented Osama bin Laden’s buddy Salim Hamdan and nominee Harold Koh filed amicus briefs for terrorists, and Attorney General Holder’s law firm represented a dozen and a half terrorists.

    Gee, just what is enough evidence that the Obama crowd is “pro-terrorist”?

    SPQR (72771e)

  133. I agree with JD. One cannot use that argument enough. So elegant. So forceful. And it contains all the facts and nuances that most conservative arguments have. You, sir, are truly brilliant. Perhaps you will win a Pulitzer for that last post. I don’t think they normally give it out for blog posts but for your case I think they will make an exception. Just think, once you get that Pulitzer you won’t have to even pretend you’re doing work.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  134. That makes you a racist, SPQR 😉

    JD (cb96c4)

  135. Well then I’m sure an apology will do you just fine. Or wait. That other guy was a dem wasn’t he? He doesn’t deserve an apology. You don’t even have to admit you are wrong. We will all chalk it up to being ordained as God’s party.

    I don’t know where you’re getting the “we” stuff, I’m not a Republican. I’m not sure what God’s party is, since He has never had to run for His office.

    But, yes, I apologize that I didn’t foresee nk tweaking bells bells’s nose by saying he wanted Palin to run against Obama in 2012. And if nk wasn’t just tweaking the idiot’s nose and really does want Palin to run in 2012, then I was wrong when I said that only leftists were touting Palin.

    Steverino (69d941)

  136. You’re not a republican? If you’re not with us you’re against us! Traitor! Kick him out!

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  137. JD, given that in a recent survey, Democrats were twice as likely to blame “the JOOS” for our economic problems as Republicans …

    SPQR (72771e)

  138. Conservatives don’t need to post links to their assertions or ‘recent polls’, so that is an excellent point SPQR. I hear that the libs also are four times more likely to trip random old women on the street. Just a fact. I read about it. Somewhere.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  139. Steverino – This vile dishonest mendoucheous asshat claims to be a conservative, but is nothing other than a lying Moby. Though it has proven itself to be ojectively racist and homophobic previously. Mock and scorn. Point and laugh. This one makes lovie seem honest and rational.

    JD (d4c917)

  140. Damn! Bell is a Jeffrey? I am so embarassed. Sorry, Jeffrey, no reflection on you, I am sure you are very attractive, but you know … what with my prostate problem and all ….

    nk (a1896a)

  141. Oh, Jeffrey, your act got old the day you showed up.

    Not that you have any clues what to do with facts.

    SPQR (72771e)

  142. You have not been listening. From day one I said that conservatives don’t need to argue with facts. If nothing else please remember that.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  143. JD, I know the stuff Jeffrey is made from. I’m just killing time before a long and tedious meeting.

    Steverino (69d941)

  144. Jeffrey, parody fails when it does not have at least a kernel of truth in it. That’s why your act is a failure.

    SPQR (72771e)

  145. Comment by Steverino — 5/22/2009 @ 8:19 am

    Steverino, I meant it. If not for the Arizona deadwood she was tied to, Palin was head and shoulders above Emil Jones’s “I’m going to make myself a U.S. Senator”.

    nk (a1896a)

  146. I’m confused, SPQR. I am on your side. So, when I point out inconsistencies in your arguments I am just trying to help you plug them when you go out into the ‘real world’ to argue with the dirty dems. Well, I am trying to help everybody except JD, who apparently never ventures more than 10 feet from his computer (and this site) so he doesn’t have to worry about objectively defending his positions against people other than typing out mendouchous twatwaffle, or whatever his oh so clever rip is. We are all friends here! Though I am not going to appreciate all my tax money going to JD when he gets fired for not doing his job.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  147. Jeffrey, I bet you are in the 32% of Democrats.

    SPQR (72771e)

  148. This was one of the cruxes in history that create parallel universes. If Alan Dixon had not voted to confirm Clarence Thomas, the chain of events which led to Obama would not have occurred.

    So, is it a net gain or net loss? We have Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court and Obama in the White House.

    nk (a1896a)

  149. No sir, SPQR. The dems are going to hell. I don’t want to go to hell so Jesus told me to be a republican.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  150. Whatever job you have cannot possibly be getting done if you respond to every post within 50 seconds

    Jeffwey apparently does not undestand what the term multi – tasking entails. But then again, Jeffwey’s still in High School, doing way too much meth these days.

    Say, how’s the condition of your lower molars lately, Jeffwey?

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  151. Has Jeffwey ever commented in the same time-line as lovie?

    AD - RtR/OS! (6a6a3b)


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