Patterico's Pontifications

5/8/2009

Nancy Pelosi: Shameless Liar?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:33 am



Why, yes. Yes, she is:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah in September 2002, according to a report prepared by the Director of National Intelligence’s office and obtained by ABC News.

The report, submitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee and other Capitol Hill officials Wednesday, appears to contradict Pelosi’s statement last month that she was never told about the use of waterboarding or other special interrogation tactics.

She knew. And she lied.

101 Responses to “Nancy Pelosi: Shameless Liar?”

  1. Did Scooter Libby go to jail for more than this?

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  2. Pelosi lied, Olbermann cried.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  3. He didn’t go to jail; his prison sentence was commuted. And yes, he committed crimes. But let’s not start in with that.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  4. I keep thinking of Pelosi’s likely response after this one – something along the lines of the Claude Raines character in Casablanca – “I’m shocked, shocked to find waterboarding going on here.” Or perhaps mumbling something along the lines of “no controlling legal authority” – whatever works.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  5. She was among the very select group that was briefed back when waterboarding was actually happening, in 2002-2004. In 2006, when waterboarding was no longer happening, a much broader group was briefed on the CIA interrogation techniques, and Pelosi sought to distance herself. If memory serves, this was about the time that they started to excommunicate Jane Harmon.

    At the risk of repeating myself, Pelosi is a lying hypocrite politician.

    carlitos (027922)

  6. Why, Ah am suprised! NOT!

    PatriotRider (355ff2)

  7. Pelosi lied, people got waterboarded…

    Ok, that one still needs work…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  8. Pelosi is a lying hypocrite….Seems unnecessarily redundant.

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  9. “She knew. And she lied.”

    . . . and your point is?

    After all, we are talking Nancy P, here, not Mother T. And the Nancy from San Fran lies with the same regularity that Mother Theresa prayed.

    But the Nancy from San Fran has a tell that lets you know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth. When her lips are moving you know she is lying.

    Mark L (9f9fc9)

  10. Some have called for a “Truth & Reconciliation Commission” to get all the facts out;
    me, I just think Nan should be ‘boarded.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  11. When her lips are moving you know she is lying.

    I thought her tell was when you could actually discern a faint wrinkling of her eyebrows.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  12. And she will suffer ZERO consequences due to the Democrats double standard. Yeltch, barf.

    J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3)

  13. Pelosi lied, the waterboarding issue died.

    davidt (0c740c)

  14. Let’s be charitable. It’s far more likely that Pelosi is exhibiting characteristic senile dementia and should be removed from office for the safety of all.

    luagha (5cbe06)

  15. I thought her tell was when you could actually discern a faint wrinkling of her eyebrows.

    Nah. That means she’s thinking about lying. The lips have to be moving to convert the thought to deeds.

    Mark L (1eb0e1)

  16. Mark: That’s only true if she also moves her lips while she’s writing.

    PCachu (e072b7)

  17. She knew. And she lied.

    Harsh. But then, it puts Pelosi in a league with Darth and Dubya, doesn’t it.

    Clearly Pelosi is in trouble. Even allowing that she cannot discuss specifics regarding classified briefings, her repeated parsing of answers and hommina-hommina Cramden-esque responses to questioning by media types, projects the aura of intentional deception.

    If Pelosi knew– as with any of them who knew– investigate and let the legal chips fall where they may. Party and feminists be damned, she’s a weak Speaker of the House and not a help to President Obama in these changing times.

    And yes, Scooter paid and when he pens his tomb, will get payback. Keep sweating, Dick.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  18. The Obamites have got the memo: Pelosi has outlived her usefulness to The One, so under the bus she goes!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (77f8db)

  19. …and, I doubt that Dick is worrying about any of this, since as more info comes out, he looks better and better.
    But then, we couldn’t expect you to abandon one of your favorite memes when you need to deflect inspection from the Speaker.
    She’s toast!
    The big question now:
    When will the media set up the watch on her front lawn?

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  20. #19- Right. Memo to Scooter- hold out for $15 million from the publisher then do unto Dick as he did unto you. Good release date- October, 2010.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  21. I say stand her up against the same wall Bybee, Yoo, Haynes, harmon, Rockerfeller, Cheney, and Addington should be stood up against.

    Anyone complicit in these crimes should be investigated and, if such evidence exists (and as my first comment alludes to, I think it does), charged with their crimes, and convicted. The guilt should pay no matter what letter goes after their name.

    That sort of belief is the one that separates us from savages who believe in policial party uber alles.

    Hell, you want to investigate Holder and Bill Clinton, let’s get it all on the table, Lamar (I didn’t even know he was still around….some fiery leaders that Republican party has).

    So, if you think somehow this drives a wedge in libs, it only drives one between elected officials, i.e. hypocrites practicing CYA from citizens.

    Maybe, they can re-open Alcatraz so Nancy can be close to home?

    timb (a83d56)

  22. Pelosi Frog March Countdown!

    Right, like that’s gonna happen. This shouldn’t come as any surprise to people who have watched the dissembling of the Democrat leadership over time, from the war is lost Dimbulb of Searchlight, redeploy the cold-blooded killers to Okinawa Murtha, willing suspension of disbelief Clinton, cold cash Jefferson, innocent mistake Rangel, Turbotax Geitner, our soldiers are like Nazis Durbin, our soldiers are dumb Kerry, Republicans are racist Dean, I’m not making a penny off global warming Gore, and on and on to the liar in chief himself, who has never even heard the name Bill Ayers before or ever worked for or associated with ACORN.

    Heh!

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  23. Timmie needs to find that spot in the Federal Register where Congress passed a law declaring that Waterboarding was torture, and not to be allowed, under criminal penalty.
    When he has found that entry in the USC, then – and only then – can he talk about “crimes” being comitted.
    If it ain’t in the USC, it ain’t a crime.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  24. “If it ain’t in the USC, it ain’t a crime.”

    AD – I wish him well with that endeavor.

    He’ll probably be back to say he’s not your monkey.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  25. Interesting thing, on another blog, it was posted that the U.S. – which observes the Geneva Convention on Warfare – is not a signatory to it?
    Haven’t taken the opportunity to verify/disprove that assertion, but if true, it would tend to put another twist into Leftist knickers.
    Have to check that out, I guess?

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  26. It depends on how the question was worded.

    The Emperor7 (0c8c2c)

  27. Let’s be charitable. It’s far more likely that Pelosi is exhibiting characteristic senile dementia and should be removed from office for the safety of all.

    No. I don’t feel like being the least bit charitable. This was a willful, intentional lie to cover her backside. It’s simple: she was informed, she denied. Why would I want to make an excuse for her?

    Dana (4a6e8c)

  28. #2- Pelosi lied, Olbermann cried.

    Memo to Keith: Wipe those tears. As luck would have it, we’re a Nielsen Household this month and have some input into ratings over a week. We have one TV set for 23 hours/weekday to MSNBC… Countdown, Maddow, Matthews, morning Joe et al., with an hour for the Daily Show/Colbert Report. No Fox programming, of course.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  29. Naw, he wouldn’t watch anything that sophisticated.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  30. When the little troll says “we,” it’s referring to the rats that live with it in the basement.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  31. Meanwhile, Obama keeps trying to pull the wool over the eyes of 9/11 and USS Cole families with brazen lies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  32. #29- Strange you’d be reading up on such a down topic, spork. But then a spork is an odd tool, isn’t it. Really looking forward to your next set with rifts on rape, genocide, and torture. $10 minimum, no cover, we assume. Time for Olbermann! Gotta keep those ratings climbing!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  33. I didn’t think that DCSCA would understand the reference, went over his head. Not that that is a very high bar.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  34. #34- I didn’t think – No kidding.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  35. Speaking of Shameless liars, I came across this little piece.

    As former President Richard Nixon once famously said in his celebrated interview with David Frost, if the president does it, it’s not illegal.

    “We didn’t torture anybody,” Rice says. “We did not torture anyone…

    “Guantanamo was a model medium-security prison,” the former secretary tells one of the students at Stanford debating her in this videotape.

    “Is waterboarding torture?” a student asks, pressing.

    “The president instructed us that nothing we would do would be outside our legal obligations,” Rice replies. “We were told, nothing that violates our obligation under the convention against torture.

    “By defintion,” Rice explains, “if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations.”
    So according to Condi, waterboarding is not torture. So what the hell is this fuss about Nancy? Why make so much noise about what she knew and what she lied about when you forget those who actually did the stuff and are still lying through their teeth about it? That is called hypocrisy. This doesn’t help.

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  36. ” Why make so much noise about what she knew and what she lied about when you forget those who actually did the stuff and are still lying through their teeth about it?”

    Lovey – WTF are you talking about now? Be specific. What are you claiming people are lying about?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  37. Good evening, night, or whatever timezone it is for you all. I’m out for some meatspace socializing.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  38. Daley, does Condi Rice believe that waterboarding is torture? Yes or no? Did her Boss authorize the use of it knowing it was torture? Yes or no?

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  39. “If it ain’t in the USC, it ain’t a crime.”

    AD – I wish him well with that endeavor.

    He’ll probably be back to say he’s not your monkey

    Daley, I’ve explained in other places to AD, but he chooses to not listen, that the US under St. Ronnie signed the UN Convention on Torture and, again for the 50th time, international treaties, once ratified, have to force of law.

    Pretty sure you wouldn’t find it in the USC, but that’s because the lone source of US law is not the USC. See, you learned something.

    Investigate them all and, if there’s no law preventing that treatment, then I’m sure some clever lawyer will note it.

    As for me I note this from Article One of the Convention

    For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession…

    Weird, huh, AD?

    timb (8f04c0)

  40. #38 Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.:

    I’m out for some meatspace socializing.

    Enjoy!

    (I guess that’s not the same as consuming hunks of thermally tempered meat in a social setting…but, it could happen!)

    EW1(SG) (5766f7)

  41. international treaties, once ratified, have to force of law.

    No, they don’t.

    What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

    EW1(SG) (5766f7)

  42. timb @40 – Good thing reasonable people reviewed the EIT techniques and concluded they didn’t violate that U.N. Convention. Otherwise people might have a legitimate complaint.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  43. Sorry EIT techniques is redundant.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  44. And, are you sure that the EIT’s meted out to KSM and his pals comply with that definition of the “intentional infliction of pain and suffering, physical or mental”?
    Since none of the EIT’s are classified as torture under U.S. law (as noted before, Congress has had this chance, and has declined), are you sure that they meet the definition under that Treaty? And, are you sure there are not codecils to that treaty by the U.S. that don’t nulify certain and specific sections of it?
    Oh, BTW, when you “tear up” a treaty, who comes by to say you’re in violation of your treaty responsibilities, and we’ll see you in court?

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  45. Comment by daleyrocks — 5/8/2009 @ 8:04 pm

    As is timb’s caterwauling.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b70629)

  46. Comment by The Emperor7 — 5/8/2009 @ 7:41 pm

    Ask Condi, I’m not a mind reader. Bush clearly doesn’t think it’s torture.

    My question, which you avoided answering, was about your assertion that “those who actually did the stuff and are still lying through their teeth about it?”

    What are you talking about?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  47. Of course Pelosi is lying. She’s a politician and lying is par for the course for both parties.

    She put her finger to the wind (please no jokes) and landed on the side that will keep her in office and living the high life. She knows, now, what her constituency believes — and wants — and she’ll placate them in whatever way possible.

    This whole charade is a side show that allows some people to feel morally superior and others to seek pragmatic solutions to real problems.

    I did hear one pundit say, and I’m sorry, I can’t remember who he was, that this whole sorry episode cripples the chief executive. No matter what his beliefs are concerning whether something is torture or not torture, it takes an arrow from his quiver. It allows the enemy to understand, completely what we will, or will not do, to protect the nation and they can plan accordingly.

    For example, the current President is quite strong in his belief that “harsh interrogations” or “torture” are not to be tolerated. And that’s fine. He was elected to serve the nation after making his views on this perfectly clear. And I have no problem with him expressing his views clearly.

    Except, he gave away the “game,” so to speak. And believe me, I know this is not a game.

    In other words: When you politicize security, you jeopardize the nation. Why tell the enemy your plans?

    If you don’t condone the actions of a previous administration in a national security issue, that’s fine. But keep quiet about it and redirect the actions of the agencies involved to your beliefs. And, that cuts both ways. Don’t make it a political issue, make it a policy issue.

    Ag80 (b683da)

  48. Ag80 – To me it just shows the stupidity of the Democrats to play politics with national security and why they continue to have the reputation of being weak on national defense. After popular support for the war in Iraq began flagging, Democrats became comfortable demagoguing it and reversing positions. Then it became transparent politics and nonstop bash Bush. Here’s a perfect example where it backfired on them. Obama’s trashing of the CIA and its methods and potential prosecutions, the moonbat call for show trials, all over things that it has been proven that Congressional leadership had been fully briefed on and the Bush Administration had not lied about came back to bite them. The release of the CIA memo proving the point is sweet and must have Obama ready to rip somebody’s head off, but I hate to see government based on the release of what should be priveleged information.

    Suck it Democrats, you lost this one.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  49. Yes, shameless liar with a 9% approval rating and who will be re-elected in a landslide. I was never a big supporter of term limits, but I’ve come to realize that is the only way to get these creeps and their lobbyist friends out.

    DaveinPhoenix (9b506a)

  50. Also, I predict that this whole exercise in futility will soon go away.

    The players can’t really afford to appease the Coliseum crowd in this one.

    Ag80 (b683da)

  51. Guess what, in its increasingly common Friday night news dumps, Obama sources tell the Washington Post they are bringing back Military Commissions to try detainees. Congress authorized the process twice, but Obama didn’t like it. The world must seem different than it did on January 20.

    Governing is hard!

    Obama Set to Revive Military Commissions
    Changes Would Boost Detainee Rights

    Guantanamo Bay’s military commissions were frozen by the Obama administration. Now it appears they will reappear in a different venue. (By Brennan Linsley — Associated Press)
    Enlarge Photo

    TOOLBOX
    Resize Print E-mail Yahoo! BuzzSave/Share + Share this Article:

    COMMENT
    washingtonpost.com readers have posted 138 comments about this item.
    View All Comments »

    POST A COMMENT
    You must be logged in to leave a comment. Log in | Register
    Why Do I Have to Log In Again?
    Log In Again? CLOSEWe’ve made some updates to washingtonpost.com’s Groups, MyPost and comment pages. We need you to verify your MyPost ID by logging in before you can post to the new pages. We apologize for the inconvenience.

    Discussion PolicyYour browser’s settings may be preventing you from commenting on and viewing comments about this item. See instructions for fixing the problem.
    Discussion Policy CLOSEComments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain “signatures” by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions. You are fully responsible for the content that you post.

    Who’s Blogging» Links to this article
    By Peter Finn
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, May 9, 2009

    The Obama administration is preparing to revive the system of military commissions established at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, under new rules that would offer terrorism suspects greater legal protections, government officials said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050804228.html?hpid=topnews

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  52. timb writes: …again for the 50th time, international treaties, once ratified, have to force of law.

    A misrepresentation of US Constitutional law actually.

    And not for the first time from timb.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  53. Legal Insurrection provides a summary of the characteristics of the nutroots based upon their responses to “Dijongate”:

    The nutroots move in crowds
    The nutroots mistake anonymity for bravery
    The nutroots consider distortion an art
    The nutroots preach tolerance to mask intolerance
    The nutroots are unhappy people who hate happy people
    The nutroots have no originality and hate original thoughts
    The nutroots need new enemies daily
    The nutroots do not know any of the above
    The mainstream media is no better
    Starting this blog was necessary, for all of the above reasons
    Continuing this blog is even more necessary, for all the above reasons

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  54. What are you talking about?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 5/8/2009 @ 8:28 pm
    Sorry for the late response. My point was that saying that waterboardng is not torture when clearly it is, is lying. Calling black, white knowing that black is black is lying. Nancy lied. Bush lied. Condi lied. Bill lied. Reps lie. Dems lie. And yes, I have told one or two lies myself. It’s a human self-defence instinct. Have you ever lied?

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  55. TheEmperor7, it is not amusing that you convert an argument you don’t accept into a lie.

    Meanwhile, Obama has decided that the military commissions for trying terrorists that was so unacceptable before he was in office is now a great idea.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  56. And, there is still no law written by Congress that says that “waterboarding” is “torture”.
    If there ain’t no law, there ain’t no crime.
    For, after all, we are a nation of laws, and not of men.

    AD - RtR/OS! (3487f1)

  57. We were, AD, before the Obama administration at least. Now, with the Obama crowd threatening retaliation against those who resist their will, such as the Chrysler creditors, not so much.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  58. Pelosi reminds me of that ancient legal concept: vir sine veritas vestis exuro. Translation: “man without truth, clothing set on fire.” Modernly, we know this as: “liar, liar pants on fire.” And since the pants fit…

    Mike H. (6b3acc)

  59. TheEmperor7’s rhetoric is so typical of left-wing rhetoric these days. Every disagreement is a lie.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  60. It must be a lie, since only they know the truth!

    AD - RtR/OS! (3487f1)

  61. #60 and #61
    So tell me, oh enlightened brethren of the blog; Is waterboarding torture? Yes or No?

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  62. Every disagreement is a lie.

    Comment by SPQR — 5/9/2009 @ 10:25 am
    There is a difference between disagreement and outright rejection of facts. If I tell you that my dog is a black dog. And you see that it is a black dog but say it is white. Are we having a disagreement on color or are you just being dishonest?

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  63. EW1(SG),
    There was indeed some “consuming hunks of thermally tempered meat in a social setting”. However, the consumption of various fermented liquids was a much larger part of the evening.

    A colleague was celebrating his 30th birthday anniversary, so a group of us went to an English pub. The 30th is such a milestone, cause for much comment from those below and above that number.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  64. Yeah, brethren. Run away from answering this simple question. Especially if the truth is embarrassing. But here is my candid answer to it:
    Is waterboarding torture? Yes. And so what? That’s what Condi ought to have said. Not trying to deny an obvious fact. Yes it is torture and we did it to protect American lives. You see, the rules of war has changed. Infact the rule is :there is no rule. Those old outdated conventions can’t be used now in a war against folks who don’t have problems with murdering thousands just to send a message. I’ld say; f*ck the Geneva Convention! WE will use all means necessary to stop evil and protect precious lives. Waterboarding, fireboarding, nailpulling, skinning. Whatever it takes to get them to talk.

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  65. #65…See #57!

    AD - RtR/OS! (3487f1)

  66. #66
    Not good enough, AD. You need to do better than that. Tell me, have you ever been waterboarded? Did you enjoy it? Would you recommend that it be done to say, Scott Jacobs. (God forbid), should he be captured by enemy combatants? Would he find it not-torturing?

    The Emperor7 (1b037c)

  67. Of course Nancy Pelosi is a liar. She is a democrat, isn’t she? Based on that information alone, if she came up to me on the street and told me her name was Nancy Pelosi I would call her a liar.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  68. Lovey believes Barack Obama is a good President. I think she is a liar based on that belief.

    See, the Lovey style of argument is easy once you understand how it works.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  69. #67….
    No! But I have been gassed without a mask handy – I wasn’t the last out of the hut, but I wasn’t the first either.
    N/A
    If Scott is sent to SERE training, he will be ‘boarded.
    Like most military/spec-ops personnel who undergo SERE training, he will probably find it uncomfortable, and unsettling, but he won’t be injured by it.

    I don’t write the ops-manuals for possible enemy forces, so whether or not they use coercive interrogation techniques is up to them.
    I can recommend that our forces be prepared to face the worst, and be thankful when they encounter situations that are less stressful.

    As was noted by Leo Thorsness in “Surviving Hell“, everyone can be broken, the question is whether or not you’ll live through it.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b651c9)

  70. Jeffrey, #68, evidently you are completely unable to actually address the substance here. Why am I not surprised?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  71. Lovey believes Barack Obama is a good President. I think she is a liar based on that belief.

    See, the Lovey style of argument is easy once you understand how it works.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 5/9/2009 @ 2:02 pm

    As conservatives we are allowed to call people liars based on a false knowledge of the line between opinion and fact. If someone holds an opinion that we may disagree with, then they are a liar. I love this fraternity. We are never wrong! Bwaaahahahahahaa.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  72. Jeffrey, your stupid troll act was old when you first showed up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  73. SPQR: remember Giuiliani’s “broken window” theory in NYC? You are just experiencing the blog-version of what led to that campaign. That or more bloggish Gresham’s Law.

    Eric Blair (34f123)

  74. Nobody likes to be made a fool of, SPQR. That is why we conservatives must stick together.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  75. I think the most annoying part is that Jeffrey thinks his little troll act is original. Like the last four thousand stupid trolls who paraded through.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  76. Well, SPQR, it doesn’t take much time or thought to troll in that fashion. Which is amusing, since the subtext is how “stupid” conservatives are.

    On the other hand, the “Let A Thousand Trolls Bloom” motif is not simply at Patterico’s. Check this out:

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/05/reaction-to-dijongate.html

    Funny stuff. Until you read some of the furious comments.

    Eric Blair (34f123)

  77. I thought we only call those who disagree with us trolls, SPQR? If we start calling ourselves trolls then we may start actually fact-checking each other, and making sure we are providing sources for our opinions. That could lead to disaster.

    Jeffrey Diamond (fccb0b)

  78. If we actually got some facts from the trolls, instead of falsehoods and ignorant insults, they wouldn’t be trolls.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  79. Comment by daleyrocks — 5/9/2009 @ 2:02 pm
    You are deliberately twisting the point here, Daley. This is not a question of opinion versus fact. I am calling her (Condi) a liar because she knows a fact and refuses to admit it. No one is saying using waterbarding or any EIT is wrong, if it is to save lives. The issue is, why lie about it? It’s like this is her story and she is sticking to it. No matter what the facts say. But I don’t expect you to understand. At least AD understands my point and for now that’s enough for me.

    The Emperor7 (0c8c2c)

  80. Jeffrey, the faux act got old a long time and was a lame junior high level routine when you began.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  81. If Scott is sent to SERE training, he will be ‘boarded.
    Like most military/spec-ops personnel who undergo SERE training, he will probably find it uncomfortable, and unsettling, but he won’t be injured by it

    Good news for Scott. Waterboarding, I am told, will not be part of his SERE training. It’s been scraped. Whew! Why? They believe it is torture. Or can anyone prove this is still being used in SERE training? Anyone?

    The Emperor7 (0c8c2c)

  82. Is Waterboardng torture? You tell me. Read this:
    In contrast to submerging the head face-forward in water, waterboarding precipitates a gag reflex almost immediately.[13] The technique does not inevitably cause lasting physical damage. It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, ultimately, death.[4] Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years.[14]

    The Emperor7 (0c8c2c)

  83. TheEmperor7, cut and pasting does not show your argument. Relate your argument to the actual legal definition. Otherwise, you are just continuing to beg the question as you continually have.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  84. Lovey – State exactly what “fact” you claim Condi is omitting to acknowledge tather than “opinion, otherwise blow it out your bunghole.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  85. Consider what we actually now know about waterboarding as practiced by the Bush administration.

    We know that the legality was considered carefully by several lawyers in the Dept of Justice. We know that it was also discussed with quite a few Congressional leaders and committee members of both parties. With almost no significant dissent – look at Jane Harman’s letter that’s been released as an example. And we know that it was carefully regulated in great detail as to whom was targeted and the exact procedure used.

    And yet the Democrats tried to paint a picture of the Bush administration going rogue and out of control – a picture that they knew was a lie even as they continuously repeated it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  86. “Waterboarding, I am told, will not be part of his SERE training. It’s been scraped.”

    Lovey – You do not sound like a person with inside contacts with the military. Who told you this interesting information and why do you believe it is accurate?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  87. daleyrocks, you do know that lovey is cutting and pasting from Wikipedia as if it was authoritative, don’t you?

    That’s how dishonest lovey is being. Citing to Wikipedia without the courage to acknowledge it. And lovey calls others “liars” ?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  88. “And yet the Democrats tried to paint a picture of the Bush administration going rogue and out of control – a picture that they knew was a lie even as they continuously repeated it.”

    SPQR – The same was true of the Terrorist Surveillance Program which the Democrats tried to make into a political football for purely partisan purposes at the expense of national security. Fully-briefed Dems lying about the program when it became politically expedient. Asshats one and all.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  89. Many have convinced themselves that waterboarding, or any other interrogation technique that causes an interrogatee to be uncomfortable, is per se “torture”.
    The status of the law, or the lack of injury to the interrogatee, is immaterial –
    they have made up their minds and no amount of factual material will change that determination,
    because they “feel” that such proceedures are “icky”.
    This is the intellectual state to which we have descended because we prefer to “feel”, instead of “think”.

    AD - RtR/OS! (b651c9)

  90. SPQR – I already outlined Lovey’s argument stlye above in comment 69. She has not denied it.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  91. Get it right, you guys! Only Republicans lie. Democrats misspeak.

    David (9f5383)

  92. You know, I just got back here and I read silly things by silly people who only know what Sean Hannity tells them. Me, I can read AND I have an internet connection. So, tell me AD and daley when I quote from Article 6 of the US Constitution, how do wiggle out of this?

    Article VI

    All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    As Daley noted, if and Democrats thought they’d ride this wave, then it’s time for them to “suck it.” You can join them since you don’t what the hell you’re talking about. Leave the Constitution to the people who have read it.

    timb (a83d56)

  93. No, timb, you missed the memo: you are supposed to say “Boss Limbaugh” at least twelve times in each thread. Hannity is next week.

    Eric Blair (34f123)

  94. I knew someone would distracted by the shiny object, but, somehow, I didn’t think it would be you.

    timb (a83d56)

  95. Well, Duh, Why do you all seem so suprised that a politican would lie to cover their ass?

    Joe (c44e0a)

  96. timb, there are US Supreme Court opinions that interpret the treaty provision and distinguish between self-executing treaties and treaties requiring enabling legislation. Basic first year Con Law by the way.

    SPQR (72771e)

  97. She should be dismissed as speaker of the house,
    and resign from the congress .not just for this
    but also for betraying AMERICA AND ITS PEOPLE
    on many issues.

    JAY JOHN (430335)

  98. Greetings! I bid you well fellow Americans! The saying judge not lest you be judged holds true!Obama and his gang (PoLLosi) gained leadership by riding on the coat tails of other humans failures! NOw Look! I said PoLLosi because these people speak according to opinion polls, meaning they have no core, no real genuiness, rather they are ear ticklers (telling people what they want to hear) They speak as they do for there is NO LIGHT IN THEM! For Jesus said I am the light of the world and clearly they are not honoring nor following him! God bless America Jesus Christ is the way for REAL HOPE and CHANGE!

    truthislove45 (848a9f)

  99. Comment by timb — 5/11/2009 @ 12:02 pm

    Yes, timb, the Illinois National Guard has to honor the Geneva Conventions no matter what the Illinois legislature may enact to the contrary.

    nk (a1896a)

  100. timmie has never let facts and reality stand in the way of a good rant, has he?

    They of the Left so want the US to be subordinate to the International Order that they will tell any lie to advance that dream.

    Delusions like this used to get people committed under heavy sedation,
    so that they would not be a threat to themselves, and to others –
    Oh for the luxury of such days!

    AD - RtR/OS! (cc479c)


Powered by WordPress.

Page loaded in: 0.1217 secs.