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		<title>By: howard432</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/04/25/founding-bloggers-fights-back/comment-page-1/#comment-489498</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re; Smothers Brothers.  I was a temporary writer on the show.  When I joined them they were number one on Sunday night.  Then Tommy started his raving and ranting and within a very few weeks we had dropped to number sixteen, a fall precipitated largely because Tommy had hurled some vile commentary about Mamie Eisenhower who was loved (who knew?) by just about everybody.  In short Tommy was an asshole with no restrictions on his behavior or his show until the ratings dropped through the floor (I believe he dropped out of the top 25 before leaving).  When I was there the complaints by CBS concerned the &quot;Pot Lady&quot; (Leigh French) who basically told everyone to get loaded on grass or anything else each week.  Tommy was more interested in becoming the new Lenny Bruce than anything else, determined to be fired or jailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; Smothers Brothers.  I was a temporary writer on the show.  When I joined them they were number one on Sunday night.  Then Tommy started his raving and ranting and within a very few weeks we had dropped to number sixteen, a fall precipitated largely because Tommy had hurled some vile commentary about Mamie Eisenhower who was loved (who knew?) by just about everybody.  In short Tommy was an asshole with no restrictions on his behavior or his show until the ratings dropped through the floor (I believe he dropped out of the top 25 before leaving).  When I was there the complaints by CBS concerned the &#8220;Pot Lady&#8221; (Leigh French) who basically told everyone to get loaded on grass or anything else each week.  Tommy was more interested in becoming the new Lenny Bruce than anything else, determined to be fired or jailed.</p>
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		<title>By: howard432</title>
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		<dc:creator>howard432</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re; Smothers Brothers.  I was a temporary writer on the show.  When I joined them they were number one on Sunday night.  Then Tommy started his raving and ranting and within a very few weeks we had dropped to number sixteen, a fall precipitated largely because Tommy had hurled some vile commentary about Mamie Eisenhower who was loved (who knew?) by just about everybody.  In short Tommy was an asshole with no restrictions on his behavior or his show until the ratings dropped through the floor (I believe he dropped out of the top 25 before leaving).  When I was there the complaints by CBS concerned the &quot;Pot Lady&quot; (Leigh French) who basically told everyone to get loaded on grass or anything else each week.  Tommy was more interested in becoming the new Lenny Bruce than anything else, determined to be fired or jailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; Smothers Brothers.  I was a temporary writer on the show.  When I joined them they were number one on Sunday night.  Then Tommy started his raving and ranting and within a very few weeks we had dropped to number sixteen, a fall precipitated largely because Tommy had hurled some vile commentary about Mamie Eisenhower who was loved (who knew?) by just about everybody.  In short Tommy was an asshole with no restrictions on his behavior or his show until the ratings dropped through the floor (I believe he dropped out of the top 25 before leaving).  When I was there the complaints by CBS concerned the &#8220;Pot Lady&#8221; (Leigh French) who basically told everyone to get loaded on grass or anything else each week.  Tommy was more interested in becoming the new Lenny Bruce than anything else, determined to be fired or jailed.</p>
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		<title>By: howard432</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/04/25/founding-bloggers-fights-back/comment-page-1/#comment-489501</link>
		<dc:creator>howard432</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re; Smothers Brothers.  I was a temporary writer on the show.  When I joined them they were number one on Sunday night.  Then Tommy started his raving and ranting and within a very few weeks we had dropped to number sixteen, a fall precipitated largely because Tommy had hurled some vile commentary about Mamie Eisenhower who was loved (who knew?) by just about everybody.  In short Tommy was an asshole with no restrictions on his behavior or his show until the ratings dropped through the floor (I believe he dropped out of the top 25 before leaving).  When I was there the complaints by CBS concerned the &quot;Pot Lady&quot; (Leigh French) who basically told everyone to get loaded on grass or anything else each week.  Tommy was more interested in becoming the new Lenny Bruce than anything else, determined to be fired or jailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; Smothers Brothers.  I was a temporary writer on the show.  When I joined them they were number one on Sunday night.  Then Tommy started his raving and ranting and within a very few weeks we had dropped to number sixteen, a fall precipitated largely because Tommy had hurled some vile commentary about Mamie Eisenhower who was loved (who knew?) by just about everybody.  In short Tommy was an asshole with no restrictions on his behavior or his show until the ratings dropped through the floor (I believe he dropped out of the top 25 before leaving).  When I was there the complaints by CBS concerned the &#8220;Pot Lady&#8221; (Leigh French) who basically told everyone to get loaded on grass or anything else each week.  Tommy was more interested in becoming the new Lenny Bruce than anything else, determined to be fired or jailed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACRAP is trying to suggest Democrats historically backed civil rights?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/democrat-civil-rights-history/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Really?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACRAP is trying to suggest Democrats historically backed civil rights?  <a href="http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/democrat-civil-rights-history/" rel="nofollow">Really?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steverino</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/04/25/founding-bloggers-fights-back/comment-page-1/#comment-489226</link>
		<dc:creator>Steverino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;John F. Kennedy support a tax rate of 75% &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which, at the time, was a cut of 16%

&lt;blockquote&gt; back civil rights&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Republicans did back civil rights in the 1950s and 60s.


&lt;blockquote&gt;injecting billions of government dollars into the nation’s space program&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Better that than the NEA and NPR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>John F. Kennedy support a tax rate of 75% </p></blockquote>
<p>Which, at the time, was a cut of 16%</p>
<blockquote><p> back civil rights</p></blockquote>
<p>Republicans did back civil rights in the 1950s and 60s.</p>
<blockquote><p>injecting billions of government dollars into the nation’s space program</p></blockquote>
<p>Better that than the NEA and NPR</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DCSCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30- I recently watched a high school &#039;college bowl&#039; styled game on our local TV station between top high schools in the region. The cream of the crop. The kids did the math, understood physics, knew their Shakespeare and could spell well... but when the quizmaster asked which document contained the phrase, &#039;... we pledge our lives, our fotrunes and our sacred honor&#039;... all 8 kids, top honors students, could not answer. In fact, none of them knew any of the history questions at all. American or world history. It was shocking. The general reply from these kids seems to be it&#039;s not relevant to their lives today and does nothing to help them get jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30- I recently watched a high school &#8216;college bowl&#8217; styled game on our local TV station between top high schools in the region. The cream of the crop. The kids did the math, understood physics, knew their Shakespeare and could spell well&#8230; but when the quizmaster asked which document contained the phrase, &#8216;&#8230; we pledge our lives, our fotrunes and our sacred honor&#8217;&#8230; all 8 kids, top honors students, could not answer. In fact, none of them knew any of the history questions at all. American or world history. It was shocking. The general reply from these kids seems to be it&#8217;s not relevant to their lives today and does nothing to help them get jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DCSCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30- &lt;i&gt;John Kennedy would be a Republican today&lt;/i&gt;.  If &quot;Republicans&quot; like John F. Kennedy support a tax rate of 75% on the top 1% of wage earners, expanding the Peace Corps, back civil rights, will never negotiate out of fear but never fear to negotiate, injecting billions of government dollars into the nation&#039;s space program, reduce troop levels in foreign lands and replace them with advisors, enjoy sailing and sleeping with a fresh piece of tail every day as a bench marks for family values, let&#039;s get &#039;em elected now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30- <i>John Kennedy would be a Republican today</i>.  If &#8220;Republicans&#8221; like John F. Kennedy support a tax rate of 75% on the top 1% of wage earners, expanding the Peace Corps, back civil rights, will never negotiate out of fear but never fear to negotiate, injecting billions of government dollars into the nation&#8217;s space program, reduce troop levels in foreign lands and replace them with advisors, enjoy sailing and sleeping with a fresh piece of tail every day as a bench marks for family values, let&#8217;s get &#8216;em elected now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/04/25/founding-bloggers-fights-back/comment-page-1/#comment-489191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There was a time when the left protested, rightly or wrongly, based on what they believe in.

Now, they only seem to protest for what the Party believes in&lt;/i&gt;

This has already been commented on in #26 but I will second the point. John Kennedy would be a Republican today. In foreign policy he was weak but his economic philosophy would not fit the Democrats today, nor would Harry Truman fit except for his pro-union stance but unions in those days were part of the private system. Nobody thought of public employee unions at that time. Or teachers&#039; unions, for that matter. 

Take a look at some high school history text books, for example. I used to have my cousin&#039;s high school world history book from 1938. I read it a couple of times when I was about 13. It began with items like the Punic Wars and the Doric invasion. Do you think a Harvard freshman would know what those were ? That was world history at Hirsch High School in Chicago, 1938.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There was a time when the left protested, rightly or wrongly, based on what they believe in.</p>
<p>Now, they only seem to protest for what the Party believes in</i></p>
<p>This has already been commented on in #26 but I will second the point. John Kennedy would be a Republican today. In foreign policy he was weak but his economic philosophy would not fit the Democrats today, nor would Harry Truman fit except for his pro-union stance but unions in those days were part of the private system. Nobody thought of public employee unions at that time. Or teachers&#8217; unions, for that matter. </p>
<p>Take a look at some high school history text books, for example. I used to have my cousin&#8217;s high school world history book from 1938. I read it a couple of times when I was about 13. It began with items like the Punic Wars and the Doric invasion. Do you think a Harvard freshman would know what those were ? That was world history at Hirsch High School in Chicago, 1938.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Sheffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;Roger B&quot; #17:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t understand this, legally. The “offending” video was taped BY Founding Bloggers, right? Then FB owns the copyright, right? CNN has ZERO ownership of the footage, even though their “talent” is on camera…right? And any CNN footage used by FB in this case falls well within “fair use”…right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Founding Bloggers video at issue included about about 1 minute, 20 seconds of CNN footage, as well as about 2 minutes, 30 seconds of footage shot by Founding Bloggers. CNN owns copyright in its own footage; FB owns copyright in the footage that it shot (even though that footage depicts Roesgen). And yes: I think FB&#039;s incorporation of the CNN footage into its video was fair use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;Roger B&#8221; #17:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t understand this, legally. The “offending” video was taped BY Founding Bloggers, right? Then FB owns the copyright, right? CNN has ZERO ownership of the footage, even though their “talent” is on camera…right? And any CNN footage used by FB in this case falls well within “fair use”…right?</p></blockquote>
<p>The Founding Bloggers video at issue included about about 1 minute, 20 seconds of CNN footage, as well as about 2 minutes, 30 seconds of footage shot by Founding Bloggers. CNN owns copyright in its own footage; FB owns copyright in the footage that it shot (even though that footage depicts Roesgen). And yes: I think FB&#8217;s incorporation of the CNN footage into its video was fair use.</p>
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		<title>By: j curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>j curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to see the good guys as the activists for a change. The CNN and google punks will fold now, proving that they are just bullies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see the good guys as the activists for a change. The CNN and google punks will fold now, proving that they are just bullies.</p>
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