When that doesn’t work, we call them liars. Or, we can pretend that a wikipedia source that is actually embedded with legitimate sources does not count as a legitimate source.

JD: Stop bothering with the liberal scum.

If only, Mr. Diamond…if only he had any other hobby.

By the way, if by “winning” meant “losing,” then you are dead on.

Oh, and tools, quote Panetta and the CIA directors all you want, but you might notice four Judge Advocates from all the military branches agree that water-boarding is torture.

Plus, it didn’t work: Last year, FBI Director Robert Mueller told Vanity Fair that he did not “believe” that there had been a case where “any attacks had been disrupted because of intelligence obtained through the coercive methods.” Tuesday, through a spokesperson, he confirmed that statement. Panetta’s been on the job two months and you take his word over Mueller? Only because you want to.

It must be strange to believe (fervently, passionately believe) that things that are not true are. You have to really bury your head in the sand, avoid military JAG’s, the director of the FBI, FBI interrogators, history, reports from Nuremburg and just listen to Dickie Cheney and Cliff May, Leon Panetta and the source that knows all, Limbaugh.

Why is it impossible for the far-right to admit this is torture, the Supreme Court noted Article 3 of the GC applies to detainees and so do all these other lawyers, yet, here, here you defend torture because you’re all on the same team?

Lastly, note the cognitive dissonance that partisan hackery has caused. Seven days a week, this is a blog devoted to bad-mouthing the President and saying he’s bringing socialism to America. “Government should be limited.!”

You are so afraid he will raise your taxes and take your guns. Yet, here you are, giving him the power to water-board opponents and “enemies.” One day you’re upset at the DHS for looking at license plates and the next you’re rooting the government to torture people sans hearings or due process…

WTF in wrong with you?

Do realize that if I take control of your house and your bank account and steal all your money and posessions that I’m not a thief, and I haven’t committed theft? Do you know how I know? Because Bernie Madoff stole $50 billion. That’s theft. What I did to you ain’t theft.

Thanks for proving how logical you are.

That ain’t torture…this is torture:

‘While I was removing a bayonet and scabbard from a dead Japanese, I noticed a Marine near me. He wasn’t in our mortar section but had happened by and wanted to get in on the spoils. He came up to me dragging what I assumed to be a corpse. But the Japanese wasn’t dead. He had been wounded severely in the back and couldn’t move his arms; otherwise he would have resisted to his last breath.’

‘The Japanese’s mouth glowed with huge gold-crowned teeth, and his captor wanted them. He put the point of his kabar on the base of a tooth and hit the handle with the palm of his hand. Because the Japanese was kicking his feet and thrashing about, the knife point glanced off the tooth and sank deeply into the victim’s mouth. The Marine cursed him and with a slash cut his cheeks open to each ear. He put his foot on the sufferer’s lower jaw and tried again. Blood poured out of the soldier’s mouth. He made a gurgling noise and thrashed wildly. I shouted, “Put the man out of his misery.” All I got for an answer was a cussing out. Another Marine ran up, put a bullet in the enemy soldier’s brain, and ended his agony. The scavenger grumbled and continued extracting his prizes undisturbed.’–E.B. Sledge,
“With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa”

Why is it fecking impossible to have an actual discussion about some of these issues without the usual suspects dropping by to proclaim their moral superiority, and demonstrating a fundamental lack of understanding of the basic facts?

Comment by JD — 4/22/2009 @ 4:55 pm

We don’t need facts! Didn’t you learn this from the last time I dropped by? If we disagree with something, then by definition it is wrong! We don’t need facts, we’re conservatives! Holy cow, guys, figure it out.

JD: Stop bothering with the liberal scum. There is no debate. We’ve already won.

It doesn’t, since I harbor neither attitude towards you – but your ascribing of such motives without any evidence tells me quite a bit more about you than I care to know.