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4/19/2009

Roesgen Spread “Jena 6″ Myths

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:09 pm

Susan Roesgen, the CNN reporter who mocked tea party attendees in Chicago, is the same reporter who spread myths about the racially charged “Jena 6″ case in Louisiana, in which six black teenagers were charged with attempted murder for the beating of a white student.

The case gained national prominence because of the racial issues involved, and Susan Roesgen was at the center of publicizing the controversy, and perpetuating several myths about it. Roesgen’s bio says that Roesgen

became the first national TV reporter to cover the tumultuous “Jena 6″ episode in that Louisiana town.

In a piece titled Media Myths About the Jena 6, local reporter Craig Franklin wrote a piece dispelling several myths about the case.

The media got most of the basics wrong. In fact, I have never before witnessed such a disgrace in professional journalism. Myths replaced facts, and journalists abdicated their solemn duty to investigate every claim because they were seduced by a powerfully appealing but false narrative of racial injustice.

Franklin says he knows this because he is “the only reporter who has covered these events from the very beginning.”

It turns out that Roesgen was instrumental in spreading some of these myths. Here is Roesgen’s first video report on the Jena 6 case:


Roesgen told her national audience:

Back in September, black students sat under this tree in the school courtyard, where traditionally only white students sit. The next day, three white students hung nooses from the tree and were suspended.

Local reporter Franklin says this is not true:

There has never been a “whites-only” tree at Jena High School. Students of all races sat underneath this tree.

Franklin adds that the hanging of the nooses was not racially motivated, and the students were not suspended:

An investigation by school officials, police, and an FBI agent revealed the true motivation behind the placing of two nooses in the tree the day after the assembly. According to the expulsion committee, the crudely constructed nooses were not aimed at black students. Instead, they were understood to be a prank by three white students aimed at their fellow white friends, members of the school rodeo team. . . . Another myth concerns their punishment, which was not a three-day suspension, but rather nine days at an alternative facility followed by two weeks of in-school suspension, Saturday detentions, attendance at Discipline Court, and evaluation by licensed mental-health professionals.

Just to show that not everything is black and white, Roesgen’s report ends with a sympathetic interview with the parents of the beaten white teenager. However, this nod to balance fails to make up for Roesgen’s inflammation of racial tensions based on inadequate research, and an incomplete understanding of what had really happened.

I’ll give Roesgen this: emphasizing the racial angle made it a more sensationalistic and interesting story. And isn’t that really all that matters?

259 Responses to “Roesgen Spread “Jena 6″ Myths”

  1. In so many instances when basic concepts and facts are botched up, screwed up, transposed or outright destroyed, a person of the left (for instance, from the media or some political office) invariably is at the center of the mess (Hi, Dan Rather and those fake letters of yours!!).

    Mark (411533)

  2. Susan Roesgen, the CNN reporter who mocked tea party attendees in Chicago…

    Mocked? That’s a purely judgemental POV, depending on the eye of the beholder– mostly right wingers.

    Her professionalism in the face of such silliness was taxed (a pun) to be sure.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  3. I don’t mind agreeing with DCSCA. Ms. Roesgen only made a mockery of herself at the Chicago tea party.

    nk (0214d0)

  4. I’m not familiar with how the “fight” went down but, if it was six on one, I’m pretty sure that doesn’t come close to the Marquess of Queensberry Rules. I wonder what the school handbook says about assault? Nonetheless, at least she gave the beaten student’s parents a chance to give their side of the story.

    jimboster (fe0b27)

  5. #3- Depends on your POV. The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’ in the middle of a work day and school day made a mockery of himself, his teabagger pals and any point the gathering was supposed to promote. But then, teabag parties were promoted by Fox News as Jon Stewart so clearly pointed out. Not to mention Faux News teabagger blowhard Neil Cavuto caught on camera making up attendence figures to bookend his false claim about coverage equalling the Faux News coverage of the Million Man March, which does not exist because Faux News did not exist.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  6. I noticed on the other thread that DCSCA was starting toward insulting Patterico. Start the clock until this nutjob is banned.

    The seething anger is palpable. And I will bet any of you money that, to his friends, he criticizes folks on the Right for calling people he likes names.

    But when he does it, of course, it is different.

    Yet. Another. Troll.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  7. The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’

    Liar. He did no such thing.

    Jim Treacher (796deb)

  8. My understanding is that that Voice of Truth, Susan Roesgen, applied for a job at that nasty old Fox News. True or not, I wonder?

    Also, what about the timing of the “vacation.” I think we will be learning a great deal about this bastion of journalistic integrity.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  9. I wonder if BAC got the boot yet for calling Stash a liar and impugning the long interview.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  10. Susan Roesgen is just another in a long line of “journalists” who will probably win a Pulitzer for work that should have gotten her fired, and banished from the profession.
    I’m sure that Walter Duranty is smiling somewhere.

    AD (967a8f)

  11. #6 Classic straw man and his use of “teabag” instead of “tea party” disqualifies him from any serious consideration. Bye Bye DCSCA bag.

    Perfect Sense (0922fa)

  12. The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’ in the middle of a work day and school day made a mockery of himself . . .

    He did no such thing.

    Nor, I’ll add did his two-year-old.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  13. Jon Stewart. Seriously? DCSCA – You are using a comedian on a comedy show to back up your point? The same Jon Stewart who defends himself when he’s wrong by claiming that his show is comedy…I suppose you think Weekend Update did wonderful campaign coverage. Ever.

    The whole Jenna 6 thing was a lot like the whole Duke Lacrosse thing, wrong wrong wrong.

    Vivian Louise (c0f830)

  14. Comment by Eric Blair — 4/19/2009 @ 1:59 pm

    EB, she’s 0/2 @ Fox – applies twice, rejected twice!
    Fox does have some standards, after all!

    AD (967a8f)

  15. Clown nose…on.

    Then, clown nose…off.

    But these trolls? You decide.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  16. I’m thinking that Ms. Roesgen may have trouble getting herself on – air again in the foreseable future, since her many past sins of journalism have been exposed. Hey, at least let me have my fantasy for a few days.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  17. The whole Jena 6 “controversy” is right up there – or should we say, DOWN there – with the Duke lacrosse team “rape” case.

    That is, it was an opportunity for self-hating white libs and white-hating blacks to scream, “See how evil white people are!”

    The fact that the vast majority of the “national” media is/was willing to play fast and loose with the “facts” is downright scary.

    It makes you wonder how many lies they’ve told that have yet to be discovered.

    Bubba Maximus (456175)

  18. Now, let’s take:

    “…The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’ in the middle of a work day and school day made a mockery of himself,…”

    And let’s change the venue to an Anti-Bush protest. Or, heck, remember when folks were saying that people should take the day off to vote for a certain Presidential candidate?

    Ah, but those are different. As usual.

    But I am delighted that this character thinks that work and school are very important. They are.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  19. Patterico – I’m surprised at you ! I thought you were fluent by now in the variants of language used by heretics and disbelievers in The One …

    Both the 2 yr old and father were absolutely SCREAMING “Fascist !” and “Death to The One !” in KFL (Kufr Facial Language) …

    How fortunate we all are, Praise Be Unto The One, that Ms Roesgen was there, and vigilant, to capture those unguarded moments by the enemies of The One !

    For shame, Patterico !

    {/sarc}

    Alasdair (6b086e)

  20. [...] reporter, certainly not a journalist, is the same reporter that spread lies and myths about the “Jena 6″ case in Louisiana, in which 6 black students were charged with beating a white [...]

    Fascism « E Māua Ola i Moku o Keawe (8246d7)

  21. #8- Watch the full tape. He does, poor soul. Middle of a work day, drags his kid to the follies, no less. Time better spent at his job and the kid in a library or at school. Or better still, volunteering for a Meals On Wheels program to help the elderly. Instead, wastes time ranting to TV cameras about nothing.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  22. 11- Susan Roesgen is just another in a long line of “journalists” who will probably win a Pulitzer for work that should have gotten her fired, and banished from the profession.
    I’m sure that Walter Duranty is smiling somewhere.
    As opposed to awarding the Medal of Freedom to Bush administration screw-ups who started a war on false pretenses, killed tens of thousands on both sides, caused millions of dollars in damage and ran up trillions of dollars in debt.

    Susan, take the Pulitzer, donate the check. You’re in better company.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  23. Only a fool like ASPCA would think a kid who won’t be old enough for kindergarten this decade should already be in school and sequestered away from his parents.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  24. 14- Boss Limbaugh 101. He’s just an entertainer. Consider that most young people get their news, or news clarified, from Stewart and Colbert. The point is, his point was spot-of-tea-on accurate.

    Pretty hilarious touting the irony of crowing about wasteful spending by pointing to a truck full of one million tea bags.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  25. But, see, John…it’s about feelings. Not facts.

    A two year old could be in kindergarten, in his world.

    And this person is only posting to troll. I think we should set him up on a date with Wheeler’s Cat.

    But if this is the same person as before, he gets himself all wound up…and goes too far. We’ll see.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  26. Only DCSCA would think that George Bush compared unfavorably to the apologists for the mass murdering Stalin. It is just yet another example of his craven nature.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  27. Wow, I didn’t think DCSCA could get that many blatant false statements in a single sentence. I count at least four lies in that one sentence. That’s almost a record around here!

    Civilis (5567a9)

  28. Watch the full tape. He does, poor soul.

    He does not.

    You have now, three times, stated something that is flatly false.

    If you are going to persist in your claim, I insist that you post a link to a video that backs up your claim, and tell us precisely where (give a time) the man with the two-year-old yelled “fascist.”

    Otherwise, I will conclude that you are knowingly lying. And I don’t appreciate having knowing liars around here.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  29. Only a fool like ASPCA would think a kid who won’t be old enough for kindergarten this decade should already be in school and sequestered away from his parents.

    He would need a familiarity with actual children to be able to discern that. The child is 24 months + 9 months, even if you add gestation time, he won’t make kindergarten for another 2 years.

    Vivian Louise (c0f830)

  30. #19- Point to anti-Bush rallies held in the middle of a work day or during school hours in the midst of a recession/depression and I’d agree. You may want to google C-SPAN. Most were weekend events covered by that network and ignored by Faux ‘we-have-another-blond-falls-off-a-cruise-ship-story’ News.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  31. Watch the full tape. He does, poor soul.

    No, he doesn’t. You’re lying.

    Jim Treacher (796deb)

  32. Hmmm. And didn’t I read recently that posting on the internet released carbon dioxide to the atmosphere?

    Yeah, here it is:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5488934.ece

    There was a big ubernerd battle about it later, but it is still true: internet use has a carbon cost.

    Thus, trolling hurts the environment, without any benefit of discussion or true debate let alone any genuine productivity.

    But it feels so good to pick fights, you see.

    Save the planet, trolls. Quit trolling!

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  33. “And I don’t appreciate having knowing liars around here.”

    Patterico – It’s not not DCRAP has built up a reservoir of credibility here, with his stale debunked talking points, historical inaccuracies, liberal myths and grandiose personal history. His insults of DRJ grated on me.

    He did have that long comment you turned into a post that he’s still trying to live off, which is nice. Otherwise, he’s a classic troll who has not added much value.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  34. Not to mention the carbon released, daley!

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  35. The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’ in the middle of a work day

    What the hell are you talking about?!

    I should have known better than to give you even a tiny bit of benefit of the doubt and make an effort to review the CNN video all over again.

    What’s the phrase that’s quite applicable here?

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    And I’m not a big fan of using the word “troll” towards those on this or other forums who mainly have contrarian or non-conforming viewpoints. But you really are entering — or have entered — the realm of trolldom.

    Mark (411533)

  36. Eric Blair – And this person is only posting to troll.

    To quote, he’s only commenting to ‘annoy conservatives‘ – such behavior, self-admitted by him, deserves no response.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  37. I know this vid clip is from CNN itself…but how long before they pull it and accuse you of “yet another” copyright infringement?

    Roger B (fd8c20)

  38. Dggcrap has not made one honest comment in many weeks at this point – but he’s engaged in quite a lot of venomous attacks on those he deems a threat to his blinkered worldview – namely, Rush Limbaugh.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  39. Patterico – And I don’t appreciate having . . . liars around here.

    Then here’s an idea: I know you hesitate to ban commenters that ‘disagree’ because it can be used to paint the site as an echo chamber. (not that the left doesn’t engage in false allegations constantly)

    What if you asked both Aphrael and Leviticus to weigh in on a ban? Both of them are here often and usually disagree, but are articulate and interested in a discussion, not dishonest propagandizing. They’d have to state their reasons pro and con, and you would be the tiebreaker, if one occurred.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  40. #29- Why you choose to ignore the poor fella said this is irrelevant. Insist away, I have the feed on videotape and I have little time to waste making things up to post. You may be viewing an edited link. The sad soul rants about fascism without answering the reporters question which is rightly posed about what the ranting has to do with a $400 tax cut he may be eligible for then she goes into a poorly said rant against Fox News. If this is in error, I stand corrected.

    Otherwise, the real questions you should be asking is WHY this was planned on a work day and promoted by Fox News. Why a senior Fox News anchor, promoting coverage, falsely made claims about video footage of past news coverage and faked attendance tallies which was caught on air. You seem to be blindly ignoring those biases.

    The utter absurdity of this all aptly captured by no less a side line lampooner than Jon Stewart who keenly pointed out the glee of Fox reporters showing off a van full of one million tea bags purchased to represent wasteful spending. The idiocy of it all was hilarious.

    Your angst with President Obama is clear. Pace yourself, its just 90 days in and this popular, articulate CIC will most likely will be re-elected.

    The point really is the fixation of right wingnuts on silly incidents of news biases coupled with talk radio hosts who rant for the president to fail, waving empty budget reports, crow about massive debt while running up trillions of the same for three decades then holding ‘tea parties’ is just astonishing. The party of Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley et al has grown myopic and driven away moderates and indys by the tens of thousands. Yet it offers zero concrete solutions to problems mostly created by 30 years of conservative minded government. Conservatives rant without reason. Reactionary responses and no viable solutions. The Party of No.
    And the voice of “NO Leadership” is a deaf, high school educated drug addict, with several failed marriages, who sits alone, locked in a room, ranting to himself beside a live microphone.

    Tea parties. Get a grip. Get some leadership and attract moderates back to the party I left in 1989. Otherwise, modern conservatism is doomed to extinction along with the dinosaurs.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  41. Insist away, I have the feed on videotape and I have little time to waste making things up to post.

    Time to put up or shut up. Either you have it or you don’t, and if you cannot provide evidence of your claims, you’re a lying liar.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  42. Why you choose to ignore the poor fella said this is irrelevant. Insist away, I have the feed on videotape and I have little time to waste making things up to post. You may be viewing an edited link. The sad soul rants about fascism without answering the reporters question which is rightly posed about what the ranting has to do with a $400 tax cut he may be eligible for then she goes into a poorly said rant against Fox News. If this is in error, I stand corrected.

    It is in error and you haven’t bothered to provide any proof. You should forthrightly admit that you have been making things up. All your other verbiage does not mask the fact that you have repeatedly stated something that is flatly untrue.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  43. Time better spent at his job and the kid in a library or at school

    A 2 year old at school? Studying what? Subatomic particles?

    Steverino (69d941)

  44. #34 – He did have that long comment you turned into a post that he’s still trying to live off, which is nice.

    Link, please? I missed that and it isn’t in the first three pages of archive.

    Evil Pundit (43faaa)

  45. Otherwise, the real questions you should be asking is WHY this was planned on a work day

    Gee, do ya think it had something to do with the fact that April 15th is tax day?????

    Seriously, DCSCA, you are becoming a self-parody.

    Steverino (69d941)

  46. Can you buy videotape anymore?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  47. So….Patterico…am I to understand that you ALSO oppose soi disant newscaster Glenn Beck juxtaposing pictures of Obama with Stalin and Hitler in slideshows?
    Because, a lot people might think that was rather inflamatory as well.
    whited sepulchre.
    ;)

    wheeler's cat (06550c)

  48. Those with the Father of Hate have not changed, because they cannot admit they need to.

    Fred (996c34)

  49. #46- And April 15th isnt a work day??? Why not evening rallies around bonfires! But then, Armie and Gingrich knew all too well the kind of comparison that would have drawn.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  50. 3:38pm – Threadjack alert.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  51. Point to anti-Bush rallies held in the middle of a work day

    Here you go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id8fNB0v9BI

    This took place on April 20th, 2007, which was a Friday.

    Steverino (69d941)

  52. What a mendoucheous asshat.

    You stand corrected?! After reading your screed, it is abundantly clear that you know not of what you speak. You lie. Step away from the bottle again.

    Nice catch on the Jena 6 asshattery by Roesgen, patterico. This obviously came as no surprise.

    JD (f086e6)

  53. Why not evening rallies around bonfires

    Let’s see that videotape – liar.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  54. I suspect that she sincerely believes that she’s doing the public a service in proclaiming Her Truths.

    Even if that’s not the case, I’m convinced she’s a fruitcake who should be ignored.

    htom (412a17)

  55. This obviously came as no surprise.

    I’m sorry that I cannot locate a video which contrasted her excreable statements like “this is not a program that’s suitable for children” with earlier segments she did on protesters with signs claiming Bush = Hitler. Nary a peep is heard from the courageous reporter.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  56. This is some bizarro world where protests only happen on Saturdays and Sundays in Leftist world, where 2 year olds are in school, and nishit and ASPCA are rational.

    JD (f086e6)

  57. #47- Actually, no, psycho. The last manufacturer of consumer VHS videotape stopped production earlier this year.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  58. RACISTS!!!

    JD (f086e6)

  59. # 42/#43- The proof is in the viewing. See the broadcast tape. If you cant stand the truth, stand to the right.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  60. #46- And April 15th isnt a work day???

    My point, which apparently sailed right over your head, was that the rally wasn’t deliberately targeted for a workday so much as it was targeted for tax day.

    Even you can see that, right?

    But you made a deal about “why” the Tea Party was set for a workday, as if there were something nefarious behind it.

    It’s called “confusing cause and effect”, and it’s an argument fallacy.

    Steverino (69d941)

  61. Yeah, ASPCA tells lie after lie after lie and gets called on it by Patterico and everyone else then has the audacity to say I’m psychotic? What a nutjob.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  62. If you have the feed on videotape, then you should easily be able to point us directly to the point where this gentleman started drooling and spitting while screaming fascist into Roesgen’s face, upsetting here delicate sensibilities so. I would think that your training at SeeBS, NSA, and NASA would prove helpful. Were you also on the Jordan-led Bulls teams and the undefeated Dolphins team?

    JD (f086e6)

  63. DCSCA is a sad soul. I’m somewhat afraid that posting here may be all he has. He also seems especially fixated on Limbaugh. It could be some father-figure thing.

    It really is too bad to see someone in such a condition. His projection is astonishing. He deserves our pity. Unfortunately, because of his blatant lies, he doesn’t deserve our sympathy.

    Ag80 (b19e67)

  64. One thing that never ceases to amuse is leftists calling people on the right “racists”, given that the evidence shows leftists are more obsessed with race and racial identity than the Ku Klux Klan.

    Another Chris (a3bb8f)

  65. Yeah, ASPCA tells lie after lie after lie and gets called on it by Patterico and everyone else then has the audacity to say I’m psychotic? What a nutjob.

    When one realizes that DCSCA lies as naturally as he breathes, it makes dealing with his posts much easier to confront. In fact, using his posts as a good reverse barometer is really the most effective approach.

    Another Chris (a3bb8f)

  66. I’ve seen the clip, too, before it was pulled. The guy’s kid had a pacifier in his mouth, for chrissakes, and I doubt if he was even 2 years old. And the kid was shouting “fascist” along with his father? And the kid should have been in school?

    Clearly this DCSCA person is lying through his/her/it’s teeth in claiming he even saw the video, let alone has a copy of it.

    DCSCA is also lying about FOX News having organized the tea parties. Covered, yes. Organized, no.

    As for it’s being held on a “work day”, the day chosen was April 15, otherwise known as “Income Tax Day”. Even your average loony leftist should be able to divine the connection…

    Cave Bear (ff9fce)

  67. ASPCA – Can’t you call up one of your astronaut buddies or CIA friends from your double secret assassination meetings to get the direct spy satellite feed of the Chicago tea party event and settle the matter for everybody? An important feller like you should be able to use his connections for something!

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  68. He also seems especially fixated on Limbaugh. It could be some father-figure thing.

    Nah, I think it drives him nuts that some fat druggie with multiple failed marriages and little education not only has an audience of 20+ million, owns a private jet, and still manages to get all the chicks. Talk about an unfair distribution of wealth!

    Dana (d08a3a)

  69. Even your average loony leftist should be able to divine the connection…

    Yes, but that wouldn’t make them qualified to run the Treasury Department.

    Another Chris (a3bb8f)

  70. #66- And the kid was shouting “fascist” along with his father? Of course not. The child was silent and bewildered.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  71. #66- DCSCA is also lying about FOX News having organized the tea parties. Covered, yes. Organized, no.

    Promoted. See The Daily Show for hilarious details.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  72. Instead of relying on the Craig Franklin account, I’d recommend reading Amy Waldman’s profile of the town from 2008. The preexisting animosity between Kim Franklin, Craig Franklin’s wife, and Mychal Bell’s mother somehow didn’t make it into Franklin’s article (probably didn’t want to create the appearance of a conflict of interest) but it’s in the Waldman. Also in the Waldman, a much better account of the complicated racial dynamics of the small town, the relation between middle class whites and blacks (almost nonexistent off the football field) vs. poor whites and blacks (quite close, on and off the football field).

    Now I’m not about to condemn Louisiana for a caricature of racism that doesn’t exist there because I’m from there, but dismissing the idea that there was a “white tree” as insane is, itself, insane. In a completely unrelated post I wrote a year before the Jena 6 story broke, I wrote:

    Scott decides not to go to class. Instead he walks to “the black side of campus.” The school itself may be desegregated but the student population isn’t. Scott has black friends. One of them, Chester, was particularly protective of him and had told him that if he was ever in trouble to head towards the black side of campus. So Scott did.

    You’ll note that one of the other people who was there commented on my story and only took issue with two facts, neither of which had to do with there being a white and black side of campus. I’m only pointing this out because, as you’ll note, I said I had black friends. It’s not as if the races are completely segregated, but they’re not remotely integrated either. The Waldman article cuts through the crap narratives imposed on the town by outsiders in the same breath it demolishes the crap narratives of unabashed tools like Franklin.

    SEK (072055)

  73. Oh, to see ASPCA silent and bewildered. The bewildered part, I suspect, is quite common. The silent part, not so much. Still waiting on the lying liar that lies about its lies to provide evidence for its lies.

    JD (0ff900)

  74. Evidently, DCSCA thinks that cycling through a list of verbs will dilute his lies.

    He’s wrong.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. SEK sure does write pretty, but it has a look over there quality to it.

    JD (0ff900)

  76. Here’s what you said waaaaaaay at #2:

    The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’ in the middle of a work day and school day

    Here’s what you said at #71:

    #66- And the kid was shouting “fascist” along with his father? Of course not. The child was silent and bewildered.

    You, DCSCA, are a bald-faced liar.

    P.S. The 2-year-old kid didn’t have to go to school that day, you lying sack of dung.

    Steverino (1b3695)

  77. DCSCA,
    The clown and his kid aimlessly shouting ‘fascist’ in the middle of a work day and school day

    Link your evidence, give a retraction, or be known as a liar.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  78. SEK sure does write pretty, but it has a look over there quality to it.

    That’s because there’s no there to the Roesgen story. No one respectable is defending her. Even Jon Stewart mocked her.

    The Jena 6 story, however, is far more interesting than partisans left or right made it out to be, and the Waldman essay exposes some of the more interesting material. You don’t have to read it though, JD. You can continue whipping that rat what thinks it’s a dragon, but at certain point, that’s got to get a little dull, no? If it does, there’s a lovely, complex little portrait of race relations in the South for you to enjoy.

    SEK (072055)

  79. He also seems especially fixated on Limbaugh. It could be some father-figure thing.

    This is fun, if the spam filter doesn’t eat it. I wonder what is sadder, Walter Mitty typing fantasies into a computer “alone in a room” or Rush Limbaugh broadcasting the #1 radio show in America “alone in a room.”

    link 1

    link 2

    link 3

    carlitos (a0b3c5)

  80. SEK,

    I agree race relations can be complicated and not just in the South, but the fact that Roesgen was a New Orleans-based journalist when Jena occurred should have made it easier, not harder, for her to grasp those nuances.

    Anon (b0f193)

  81. SEK – There is no there there because she is a fellow traveler. That she was shown an inability to keep her politics from getting in the way of the facts is quite an interesting story. Hope she is enjoying her vacation.

    JD (0ff900)

  82. Roesgen is simply a leftist hack.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  83. Comment by SEK — 4/19/2009 @ 5:07 pm

    I’ve had a grim day, so I’m not particularly inclined to run over to your post right now. I will, and expect to enjoy your writing, but I don’t feel like slogging through your comment section to idenitify whatever you feel I should identify. This, from your comment (not post) kind of jumped out at me though:

    dismissing the idea that there was a “white tree” as insane is, itself, insane.

    Which you then defend by quoting yourself quoting someone else as to the existence of a black side of campus vs. a supposed white side of campus.

    You are a bright fellow and can hopefully discern the difference between a demographic generality and a specificallity. A sort of “wrong side of the tracks” colloquialism vs. a specific “Robert C. Byrd lives there and has Klan Klavens with strict rules and guns and knives and a head full of poison and a heart full of hate” comparison. I think that some actually encourage the “tracks” division as it will maintain a cultural diversity that cannot be reconciled with a melting-pot, or assimilation based model, while the concept of a white tree strikes some as … a touch unrealistic in today’s school model.

    Thus (and many thanks for allowing me to use “thus”, it is so underrated), your comment that some could find a specific “white tree” insane as insane in itself seems to me void of content. You have (artfully) semantically twisted the argument from the specific into the general and have kept me up typing when:

    A: I could have been reading your post, and

    B: I could have been soaking my feet in hot water and Epsom salts.

    I’ll read your post soon enough, but this sort of etymological jui-jitsu does not predispose me to read it without skepticism.

    Unrelated bleg: Is there a footbath that keeps water hot, yet still has bubbles or jets? I’m on my dogs all day, and they bark like hell.

    Uncle Pinky (834163)

  84. Uncle Pinky – SEK said it, how could it not be insane? Isn’t that called an argument from authority or something?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  85. According to the MSM, in order to be credible, Joe the Plumber needed a license to ask someone walking on the street a question. But Susan Roesgen, a member of the MSM, has no license, yet she stands on the street asking people questions.

    I don’t get it.

    Perfect Sense (0922fa)

  86. By the way, the next time DCSCA complains about Neil Cavuto saying Fox covered the Million Man March…

    Check this out

    The article is dated May 6th, 2004, about 18 months before the Million Man March. The money quote:

    The conservative Fox News network, meanwhile, offered a “skewed perspective” in its coverage, the study found.

    Fox News network most certainly did exist before the Million Man March, even if Fox News Channel did not.

    Therefore, it’s NOT a stretch to imagine the Fox News network did, indeed, cover the Million Man March.

    Steverino (1b3695)

  87. As JD pointed out before, I’ve had a similar problem updating pages. I see the main page, but can’t get the thread comments to update.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  88. Uncle Pinky,

    I don’t own it but this one gets good reviews.

    Anon (b0f193)

  89. The existence of a white side of campus and a black side of campus does not prove that this was a “white tree” or a “black tree”, SEK.

    JD (0ff900)

  90. Perfect Sense – Not only that, but somehow JtP needed a license to be credible while playing on his lawn and having Barcky come and approach him. The incredible irony of all of this was that Barcky picked out JtP, not the other way around.

    JD (0ff900)

  91. What works for me is putting my feet up, on the ottoman or lying down on the couch. No footbath, but a thorough soaping and showering off before that.

    nk (0214d0)

  92. He also seems especially fixated on Limbaugh. It could be some father-figure thing

    Or it could be that Limbaugh is successful, rich, with legions of fans, owns his own plane,and he doesn’t feel guilty about it!

    On Friday, Limbaugh hosted his 19th annual fundraiser for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Limbaugh personally donated $300,000. Not because of guilt, but because it is a good cause.

    What good has DCSCA done in its life?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  93. Bradley, back in the Dark Ages while I was an undergraduate at UCLA, I knew a fellow who was a full on “communist” (his words). He was a computer programmer, and he literally gave away half his income to soup kitchens, homeless shelters, and so forth.

    While I absolutely didn’t agree with him, he certainly had the strength of his convictions. And he was pretty happy.

    The poster Mark has linked plenty of times to which political party gives more to charity (did you see Joe Biden’s contributions?). But there are lots of Left of center types who give a lot to charity (the late Paul Newman, for example).

    And the nastiest folk seem to be the ones motivated by jealousy. Bradley, you hit the nail on the head with Limbaugh. He is happy by nature. Strangely, the people who want to criticize him on a personal level don’t seem to be happy.

    Or not so strangely, again.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  94. It is pretty clear that they either hate his success, or are just jealous. Either is unattractive.

    JD (0ff900)

  95. #87- Complain? Hardly. Keep it up! The more conservative goofballs make headlines, the better. Or is it, perhaps, 20th Century Fox Television produced ‘The Time Tunnel’ and Cavuto was transported back to tape the march along with Tony Newman and Doug Phillips. Oh yes, the transcript:

    CAVUTO: Just a reminder, we are going to be right in the middle of these protests because at FOX we do not pick and choose these rallies and protests. We were there for the Million Man March, even though, as I pointed out, it turned out to be well shy of a million men. We were there for the Iraq War protest, and the protest against the Iraq War protest. So see, we really don’t decide what populist causes matter. Just that when a whole lot of people gather, in a whole lot of towns and cities across America, it is indeed worth checking out, not just shutting down. Which is why we are in Sacramento on April 15 for the one of the biggest of these, at 4:00 p.m. Eastern time.

    And the truth: “Neil Cavuto has been defending FOX News’ coverage of the [upcoming] tax day tea parties by repeatedly suggesting that FOX News gave similar coverage to the Million Man March. But the Million Man March occurred October 16, 1995 whereas FOX News was not operating until October 7, 1996, nearly a year later.” huffingtonpost.com

    And then there’s:

    “It turns out that Fox News’s Neil Cavuto, who has already had a pretty tough week, intentionally inflated the attendance number for the Sacramento, CA rally that [they were] broadcasting live from. After being told that attendance was 5,000, he went on the air and claimed that it was double or triple this amount.” From politicususa.com

    Sorry, Neil, no mention of Tony Newman or Doug Phillips.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  96. “Strangely, the people who want to criticize him on a personal level don’t seem to be happy.”

    DCRAP – Is only criticizing him on a personal level. He doesn’t have the intellectual chops to criticize Limbaugh on a policy of philosophical level.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  97. SEK – I read your link to Waldman’s article and it was fair. I have a feeling, however, that Waldman would not approve of an army of white ‘protesters’ infiltrating a black town to ‘correct’ some of the ‘problems’ in the community, even the problems that she writes of in the article.

    That being said, the article expressly shows Roentgen (my pet name for her Radioactive brand of journalism) as the hack job she is. The article stresses the fact that the media chose its stories from a partisan buffet based on the particular narrative to be delivered.

    That is hardly a refutation of Roentgen’s lack of journalistic integrity.

    Apogee (e2dc9b)

  98. Back to the topic, it comes as no surprise that Roesgen has been a dishonest hack much further back in her history.

    JD (0ff900)

  99. Eric Blair,
    I did see that into about conservatives generally giving more to charity than liberals, and that really has to chap their hide.

    No wonder Obama tried to cut charitable tax deductions for the wealthy. How dare the rich give to the charities of their own choice! Government must confiscate their money and spend it on government charities, so Obama can get the credit!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  100. #94- He is happy by nature. Yes, weight and drug problems, isolation and several failed marriages are a playbook for happiness.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  101. …and….the personal attacks keep on coming!

    It’s like bad performance art!

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  102. Roesgen’s lack of even basic financial understanding is astounding. She was trying to argue the protester out of his views by saying Illinois was getting $50 billion. But the government doesn’t have the money! They have to borrow it from the Chicoms! It will be paid back, with interest, from taxes, or by running the printing presses and devalue the currency. We will only stop when our Chicom bartenders cut us off.

    The porkulus is just a shell game, and the likes of Roesgen are too busy being stenographers to think.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  103. #96 — you are being absurd, you haven’t disproven my claim, and you still haven’t admitted your outright lies on this thread. I even posted a link to an anti-Bush rally that took place on a workday, and you failed to acknowledge it.

    You’re a liar, it’s as simple as that.

    Steverino (1b3695)

  104. ASPCA – The dates that you cite, that I provided for you previously, are for Fox News TV, but Fox News existed well before they began broadcasting on TV. Other posters have pointed you directly to evidence of their reporting, which you have conveniently ignored, because you are a lying douchebag of the highest order.

    JD (0ff900)

  105. #93 Not because of guilt, but because it is a good cause. And one of many tax write offs. Check signed in quick drying Tetley Iced Tea perhaps?

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  106. Personal attacks are all that DCSCA has left. It could have posted an intellectual refutation of Limbaugh’s ideas. It could have detailed all the good it does, along with the proof.

    Instead we get “Limbaugh’s a drug-addled, relationship-challenged fatty!”

    Such a good lefty intellectual is DCSCA.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  107. Comment by DCSCA — 4/19/2009 @ 8:31 pm

    Since you have no flaws (besides being proven an outright liar several times, refusing to admit when you make an error, making repeated slurs against people without cause, etc…) or skeletons (we won’t count the conspiracy to commit murder meeting because, like most folks here, I don’t believe it ever happened) and are such a happy, successful person, we can expect your $300,000 contribution to Patterico’s sometime soon, right?

    Seems there was an “or else” implied if you didn’t provide proof that the Tea Party participant who was carrying the child called President Obama a fascist. You haven’t done that yet, have you?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  108. And one of many tax write offs. Check signed in quick drying Tetley Iced Tea perhaps?

    Your churlishness about an act of private charity that has helped advance treatments for blood cancers is truly reprehensible.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  109. Hey! If I write a check to a charity for 300k, can I get a 300k tax credit? Or maybe a 450k tax credit? How’s that charity write-off work, anyhow?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  110. # 109- …”an act of private charity…” So private, he broadcast it to his audience of “20 million listeners.” Right.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  111. DCSCA said:

    #94- He is happy by nature. Yes, weight and drug problems, isolation and several failed marriages are a playbook for happiness.

    Dude, a lot of famous — and not so famous — people have been married several times. A lot also have had problems with drugs and alcohol. Others, either concurrently — or at different times — have had weight issues. Have you ever seen a magazine at the check-out stand before? These types of issues are pretty much the bread and butter of scandal sheets.

    But, you seem to be fixated on Limbaugh. And it’s a bit of an odd fixation.

    Maybe you should step back and reassess what’s important in your life. Posting at Patterico about Rush may not be in your best interest, mental health-wise.

    Ag80 (b19e67)

  112. Hey, DCSCA, the ants have a space program. It’s the Empire State Building. Which floor are you on by now?

    nk (0214d0)

  113. JH,
    As a conservative, Limbaugh is automatically evil and can have no humanitarian instinct. We all know Limbaugh gave that money just to make people think well of him and to drive up ratings. He doesn’t reallllllllllly care. That thanks to the donations he’s helped raise, people are living today who would probably have died is of no significance. That the tax deduction doesn’t come close to covering the donations is of no significance. When dealing with evil conservatives, we mustn’t be confused with facts.

    Leftist humanitarians like DCSCA, by trolling conservative blogs with lies and personal attacks, are curing cancer! They’re rolling back global warming! Can’t you just feeeeeel DCSCA’s humanitarian goodness in every false and malicious post!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  114. How do you answer the fact that Fox News was, in fact, in existence during the Million Man March, ASPCA?

    How are you doing with the verification that the gentleman with the 2 year old screamed fascist at the reporter?

    Where are 2 year olds required to go to school?

    JD (0ff900)

  115. #107- “Personal attacks are all that DCSCA has left. It could have posted an intellectual refutation of Limbaugh’s ideas.” The self-admitted drug addict and water carrier for the conservative movement has none worth refuting that haven’t been vetted and rejected by the majority of Americans in the past election. But by all means, keep him as spokesperson.

    “It could have detailed all the good it does, along with the proof. Instead we get “Limbaugh’s a drug-addled, relationship-challenged fatty!”

    “Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot!” is catchier. The “good lefty intellectual” who penned a book by that title is now Senator-elect from the State of Minnesota.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  116. Bradley, you know what the best part is? Trolls like this DCSCA person can reflexively insult someone’s person, repeatedly. Boringly. Over and over.

    And in the morning, DCSCA will be the person he is. With the life he has. Day after day after day.

    Rush Limbaugh? Well, we all know how he lives his life. And even without the jet planes, the cushy work week, the pretty women, the family who actually does like him (even though some are Democrats), and more money than a person can literally spend….well, he is happy. ANd DCSCA cannot be happy. That much is clear.

    I suspect that is what causes DCSCA to grind his teeth flat, each night.

    The unfairness of it. Not the money. The happiness.

    That is why he has to lash out with repetitive, juvenile insults.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  117. I don’t know, JD. I haven’t heard this TdJ respond to Patterico’s request.

    Pretty soon he’ll lash out at Patterico, and then maybe he and that wheeler’s cat person can go start a hemp ranch or something.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  118. #114- As a conservative, Limbaugh is automatically evil and can have no humanitarian instinct. Gee, lets ask Michael J. Fox and other Parkinson’s Disease sufferers who witnessed Limbaugh’s inner sensitivity to the afflicted. Whoops! Better ask his ex-wives, instead.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  119. Why is anyone even debating whether Fox News gave an inordinate amount of promotion to the Tea Parties? Dissent is patriotic, remember, and Fox News wasn’t paying people or coercing them onto buses to the protests.

    Leftists think there is something about conservative rallies that is illegitimate (or “astroturf”) if they are well-promoted (not that other networks didn’t play up anti-Bush rallies or Cindy Sheehan), but they don’t notice the far more extensive astroturfing when the DNC recently reported “SUPPORTERS OF PRESIDENT OBAMA’S BUDGET TO HAND DELIVER 642,000 PLEDGES GATHERED FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY TO CAPITOL HILL.” In fact there were one-third as many people pledging, but the DNC printed up 3 copies of each pledge, for each pledger’s Congressman and two Senators.

    Further, most of these pledges came by return email, after a massive email request from Obama, and fewer than 1% of the people (all Obama supporters) who received the email responded in kind. But hey, getting 1% of a list of Obama supporters to hit “reply” on an email is so much more real a a protest than is getting more people to come out in person to attend rallies, because those were tainted by the attentions of Fox News.

    DWPittelli (2de73b)

  120. This character is really a trollbot, right?

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  121. Maybe ASPCA and wheeler’s cat could go get a room, so long as they swear on the Quran that they will not reproduce.

    JD (0ff900)

  122. Oh, and I didn’t mean you, DWPittelli.

    Wonder when Patterico’s request will be answered?

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  123. Jeez, JD. Such an image.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  124. #112- Dude??? Clean the bong. Limbaugh is your conservative spokesperson, not mine. But by all means, keep him out front and on camera. What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  125. Hmm. More projection? I well remember the PWI incident the other evening.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  126. I see DCSCA is back to praising Democrat tax cheats who get themselves elected.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  127. ASPCA feels omnipotent tonite as it is trying to define other people’s voices and leaders. As it has praised alfreakinfranken repeatedly, from this point forward, ASPCA will be defined by its own serial lying and alfreakinfrankens inability to follow the law.

    JD (0ff900)

  128. I think I saw this ASPCAtoZ commentor? on “JayWalking” one night. It may have been from San Francisco, but am not sure.

    Leonardo DaFinchi (8c0a12)

  129. “Limbaugh is your conservative spokesperson, not mine.”

    SCSCA – No, this is the claim YOU keep making.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  130. Eric, do you teach BIO 090? ASPCA might be taking your course.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  131. He might be the Blob Fish you are studying.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  132. Limbaugh is A conservative spokesman. Vegetables like DCRAP need a boogeyman. If it is not Rush, it will be Palin, or countless others. It is what they do, it is who they are.

    JD (0ff900)

  133. From the urban dictionary for teabagger “4) a person who is unaware that they have said or done something foolish, childlike, noobish, lame, or inconvenient” kinda reminds you of ASPCA.

    Hazy (4e0dda)

  134. Hazy – the other definitions are … funnier ;-)

    JD (0ff900)

  135. I suspect that is what causes DCSCA to grind his teeth flat, each night.

    I don’t begrudge Rush his millions, private jet and fame. But DCSCA plainly does, and it’s eaten up with jealousy. It is the lowest rank of an Obamite community organizer — a blog troll spewing out the designated party line without regard for facts.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  136. #120- Dissent is patriotic, remember, and Fox News wasn’t paying people or coercing them onto buses to the protests. Yes, but the news network actively promoted the tea parties with logos and header graphics on air. Which is fine. But to have employees deny it on air only further taints their credibility. Of course Pelosi’s cries of astroturfing are equally trite. Truly silly. But so too is denying Master Newt and Misogynist Armie had anything to do with steeping the teabaggers into a raging boil.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  137. DCSCA said:

    #112- Dude??? Clean the bong. Limbaugh is your conservative spokesperson, not mine. But by all means, keep him out front and on camera. What a gift.

    Dude, I don’t think I’ve ever cleaned a bong, but some of my friends did about 30 years ago. I was only trying to relate to someone who obviously has recently cleaned a bong. But, maybe I was wrong.

    Limbaugh isn’t my spokesperson, nor do I think he’s the spokesperson for people who post here. But for some reason, you keep trying to make it so.

    Again, this seems to be an obsession with you. Get some help. Your constant Rush-bashing, though amusing, is definitely a cry for help. You keep singling him out for some reason.

    There are many social services, both private and public, that can help you with this. I can do some searches on-line if that would be of assistance.

    Ag80 (b19e67)

  138. You know what is funny? Plenty of times, this TdJ has posted how we “descend” to personal insult. But honestly, how many posts by this character lack personal insults toward someone?

    Just. Another. Troll.

    With flat teeth.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  139. It will not be long until it calls everyone a racist.

    JD (0ff900)

  140. DCSCA,
    Of course Pelosi’s cries of astroturfing are equally trite.

    Glad and somewhat amazed you recognized that. The very few, the proud, the Libertarians, were on this Tea Party long before Fox or the GOP.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  141. So, by its metrics, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN all promoted Mama Sheehan and Code Pink$ What a lying douche.

    JD (0ff900)

  142. When did Craig Franklin’s account become the definitive Jena 6 story? Locals offered detailed rebuttals that seem fairly convincing.

    You want to make Roesgen a punching bag, fine. Her tea party meltdown last week was indefensible.

    But Franklin’s account could be rubbish. I’m not buying Jena as “a wonderful place to live for both whites and blacks,” as he intones. In any case, the noose-as-racial-taunt angle didn’t gestate from Roesgen’s reporting. It came from Chicago Tribune senior writer Howard Witt who spent a week in Jena interviewing officials, students and parents before the accounts *ever* went national.

    First impressions count. Especially ones solicited before the story “blew up.” Denials from the public officials accused of wrongdoing in the first place…not so much.

    steve (fc4cc7)

  143. Wow. A “senior writer” from the Chicago Tribune spent a week there. In Louisiana. Well, that settles it for me.

    Ag80 (b19e67)

  144. Steve – All that proves is that the media was able to frame Teh Narrative to tell the story that they wanted to tell, facts be damned.

    JD (0ff900)

  145. DCSCA,

    I have reluctantly concluded that you are knowingly lying about this guy screaming “fascist.” I initially thought you mixed together two people in your memory, but unless you’re really, really stupid, it’s now clear to you that you’re wrong. Yet you won’t retract. This is the behavior of someone not acting honestly.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  146. #138 Ag80:

    Limbaugh isn’t my spokesperson, nor do I think he’s the spokesperson for people who post here.

    I’m rather of the mind that the majority of posters here are quite capable of speaking for themselves…and likely prefer it that way, so as to minimize any confusion about where they themselves stand.

    EW1(SG) (e27928)

  147. “#112- Dude??? Clean the bong. Limbaugh is your conservative spokesperson, not mine. But by all means, keep him out front and on camera. What a gift.”

    I find it ironic that people are pushing this argument that conservatives are puppets of Rush. Aren’t you just parroting the Carville/Emanuel/Begala strategy? Can you honestly say that you independently came to this conclusion? Or are you the one who’s actually a puppet?

    Chris M (40dd9b)

  148. Patterico — off-topic.

    Read the LAT article on the 9th Circuit from today, and note the reference to Jay Bybee.

    Can you see any purpose to this reference in the context of the story?

    WLS Shipwrecked (53653f)

  149. EW1 – We cannot have that. They must have a bogeyman ooga booga person to demonize as the single individual that speaks for all conservatives. It is what they do.

    Patterico – I jumped to said conclusion (and the right one I might add) considerably more quickly. But you are a far more fair and deliberative person than I.

    JD (0ff900)

  150. #141- Dont be surprised. Fair and balanced are words that have meaning in the real world. I’m not particularly fond of Pelosi or Reid. They are weak foot soldiers along side President Obama. But I firmly believe the change he wants to press to make the nation move forward is long overdue and the conservative reaction to him is astonishingly trite, simple,(for the simple minded, perhaps) and ‘Donald Duckish’ that it’s so clearly out of step with the majority of Americans. And its driving people out of the GOP in droves. I was a moderate Republican until 1989. I admired Buckley’s capacity to argue a conservative point with intellectual persuasion, not a shoutdown. I many not have agreed with him on many points, but he was not disagreeable. Same goes for Reagan. But Reagan had the capacity to see both sides of the argument having been a liberal Democrat for much of his life. So some of his conservative positions were not without merit as a reaction to 40 years of liberal leadership.

    But the chaff today that try to claim his mantle are dwarfs themselves. Gingrich, Armie, etc., and the voicemeisters like Boss Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Boortz, Malkin, Savage, Coulter, et al, do little to attract voters back to the GOP with their verbal silliness. Add to that the very real economic and political damage done by neocons-the Perle/Kagan/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Cheney/Gaffney crowd– and a conservative GOP offers little appeal to moderate or indie voters.

    The discourse in the conservative movement has degenrated into a clique of shouting buffoons who are driving off moderates and indies by the thousands. It’s a sad legacy for the Buckley crowd to be reduced to gimmicks like tea parties, waving budgets with no numbers and name calling.

    Megan McCain actually got it right this weekend. A lot of people would like to come home to the GOP. As soon as it is rebuilt on a sane, sound foundation.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  151. Did I drop a bad word in my last comment?

    JD (0ff900)

  152. DCSCA – Do I read you correctly when you state that Rush has suffered since he was attacked by Obama?
    Obama and his administration singled out Limbaugh for criticism and he handed them their asses with out even breaking a frakkin sweat!
    Barack and Rahm are cowering in the corner under the ropes with their hands over their faces sobbing, “No Mas, No Mas!”, and you think Rush somehow lost??!!
    I always knew you were a pillow biting moron but you have confirmed it in spades.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  153. #148- Nothing to retract. As I stated the video I have taped from the on air broadcast has it and you may be viewing an edited upload with it clipped out before he’s on camera and yes, it may have been another person with him. The piece you have posted does have more at the end off camera that actually makes Roesgen look better. However, as I said previously, if it’s not in the clip you posted, I stand corrected. Otherwise, it is astonishingly ‘dishonest’ to rant over a CNN episode and completely ignore two incidents of on air biases by a Fox News anchor, among other caustic incidents, which display questionable biases. And again, it is a tempest in a teapot. Spreading this does little to improve the level of discourse. Buckley would blikb with sour disapproval.

    Better to post the video clips of Meagan McCain who hit the nail on the head this weekend.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  154. All that proves is that the media was able to frame Teh Narrative to tell the story that they wanted to tell, facts be damned.

    What “facts?” That the noose incident was a white-on-white practical joke?

    Then-principal Scott Windham was so horrified by the incident he recommended expulsion for the school year. It was nullified by the superintendent and the board.

    Berating “Roesgen’s inflammation of racial tensions based on inadequate research” is unreasonable, given the quotes and sound bites being published. Why would anyone need to ask the principal’s permission to sit under a tree?

    steve (fc4cc7)

  155. “…I was a moderate Republican until 1989….”

    Oh, sure. And a Concerned Christian Voter, as well.

    Puh-leeze.

    Keep spinning. It’s good exercise for your heart, right?

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  156. 1989? Wasn’t that around the time Republicans started a(nother) leftward shift?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  157. I am thinking this guy is an undergraduate student. We see a lot of them here. When confronted with his own…um…lies, he writes:

    “…Otherwise, it is astonishingly ‘dishonest’ to rant over a CNN episode …”

    And changing the subject….

    Mind you, he does this to Patterico. A really smart fellow, huh?

    I particularly liked the business of the clip that we all saw having been “edited,” while his own “tape” is the correct one.

    Troof to Powder!

    Patterico, you can keep this guy around if you like. But look at the track record. I think calling you dishonest when you point out his own repeated dishonesty is…well…not the hallmark of a grown up.

    It is the hallmark of a troll just out to stir the pot.

    Your house, of course.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  158. Yes, berating her inadequate research is silly, as she did no research, and chose to go with the party line.

    ASpCA has chosen to defend the indefensible. This makes perfect sense for a former employee of SeeBS, NSA, NaSA, and various other professions.

    JD (0ff900)

  159. #158- See. Drive us away, conservatives. Drive us away. And go forth into the wilderness… to extinction.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  160. #155- Limbaugh hasnt suffered financially at all. He’s laughing all the way to the bank. A superb promotion man and markets himself above all else, even at the expense of the Republican Party. I do admire his marketing skill. But it’s all about him. His greatest fear is to follow the career arc of Walter Winchell, with a shrinking voice, descending into irrelevance albeit ending his days in greater personal comfort. And a plethora of caustic, right wing carnival barkers are inching to grab his lucrative perch for a shot at keeping that audience. When he goes, he leaves a lucrative pool of listeners for a new court jester with eager advertisers. But it would kill his psyche to talk and have nobody listen.

    So carry on, Rush! Be the voice of leadership for the conservative wing of the GOP! What a gift! The remaining sane, sober minds in the Republican Party know the problem he presents. They just dont know how to give the hook to this carnival barker now that the act is on the wane. The patter predictable. The mocking of Michael J. Fox; the cry for presidential failure. And so it goes. And the GOP brain trust is cowering. The vast majority of the nation has moved on. Any compromise with President Obama that moves the nation forward is meaningless for Limbaugh. There’s nothing in it for him. There’s no room for progress in his act. It doesnt fit with his his schtick. Meagan McCain is pointing the way for the GOP. But by all means, keep Rush out front as the voice of the conservative movement.

    What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  161. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.

    Yes he is, and he is thanking the White House for the free press.

    Be the voice of leadership for the conservative wing of the GOP!

    What’s hillarious is you still don’t seem to understand this one simple fact: of the people proclaiming Rush as the “voice of leadership”, about 80% appear to be liberals. Of the remaining 20%, half of them call him the voice of leadership just to drive you people nuts.

    I’ll say it slowly.

    We. Don’t claim him. As the voice. Of leadership.

    And just because YOU think he is doesn’t make it so.

    The vast majority of the nation has moved on

    Ironic, then, that you and the rest of the left have failed to do so.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  162. #160- “I am thinking…” Sure you are.

    I can’t decide if you should be addressed as Ugarte to Patterico’s Rick Blaine… or Joel Cairo to Patterico’s Sam Spade. You decide. Either way, “When you’re slapped, you’ll take it and like it.”

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  163. #164– Yes he is, and he is thanking the White House for the free press. Free press? With “20 million listeners” and a worldwide audience? Rather gluttonous, even if it were true.

    We. Don’t claim him. As the voice. Of leadership. Of course you do. Budding conservative wannabes like Eric Kantor kiss the Limbaugh ring and apologize when feathers are ruffled. The GOP Party chairman apologized to him. And then there’s anointed Limbaugh droid, Bobby Jindal. Criticize him and the Wrath of Rush reins down from the airwaves with 50,000 watts of ClearChannel power.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  164. #133- Limbaugh is A conservative spokesman. Truth be spoken! Refreshing. And here conservatives have been crying for years that Limbaugh is, ‘just an entertainer.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  165. Hard arguing with stupid.

    Hazy (4e0dda)

  166. #168- Yet we reach down and keep trying to elevate the conservative mind base, don’t we. Touch the Monolith. Evolve or go extinct.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  167. Comment by Anon — 4/19/2009 @ 7:40 pm

    Many thanks, looks like it actually has a heating element that works. I’ll look into it,probably buy it (a con man is the easiest mark. I’ve got a shed full of these things that don’t do the job but on the next horizon,,,), and give you a review.

    nk: Putting the feet up is something I do as often as I can but my problems seem to stem from decisions I made in my less glum days. If you have kids you might want to inform them that spending ten hours or so a day on a diving board during those wacky pubertal years might not translate into good leg health. Had to go in for an X-ray on my foot a little back and the tech holding my leg said ” Your … shins … are … … sideways and I had to tell him it wasn’t because of the accident. I do thank you for the advice and hope that others may profit from it.

    Patterico: re;DCSCA,

    I have viewed the specimen, I thank you for presenting it before the assembly but I have no wish to encounter it again. You may take it away.

    I have not yet investigated the claims that this entity has announced its intention to only incite, but those claims appear (on cursory viewing) to have some merit. Accordingly, I think
    that a page in Encyclopedia Dramatica is warranted.

    If the creature yelps or yiffs, one need only point to the unsubstantiated statements of fact made by said … well … whatever term suits it in its puppetry of the rigid sock, made crusty by Olbegrasms and a lack of washing machines.

    Sorry if that seems harsh, but a simple redirect for a specific IP to one of the chans (perhaps 4, and perhaps /b/) might inform this pustule about how bad things can get.

    Intertubes are serious bizz, after all.

    Uncle Pinky (834163)

  168. The version of the interview I taped had Roesgen fellating the guy with the kid before she started yelling at him. Did anyone else tape that version? They must have taken it down or edited it.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  169. I said that Rush is A conservative spokesman, you douchenozzle. There are many, and they lack leadership. At any rate, this appears to be an endless feedback loop with you. Kind of sad that you put this much effort into attacking. A fat drug addict that has been divorced.

    JD (f8b50e)

  170. Evolve or go extinct.

    Comment by DCSCA — 4/20/2009 @ 3:10 am

    Progressive Parasites of the World, unite! Control the Producers or go extinct. Heh.

    J."Trashman" Peden (de71b5)

  171. #166

    We. Don’t claim him. As the voice. Of leadership. Of course you do. Budding conservative wannabes like Eric Kantor kiss the Limbaugh ring and apologize when feathers are ruffled. The GOP Party chairman apologized to him. And then there’s anointed Limbaugh droid, Bobby Jindal. Criticize him and the Wrath of Rush reins down from the airwaves with 50,000 watts of ClearChannel power.

    Typical. Absolutely typical liberal behavior. You have decided what we think, how we feel and how we reason, or don’t per your way of thinking. Typical. You, in your omniscience have discerned from afar through a tenous internet familiarity, the mind, heart and soul of another person. You must be God to see into the heart of a man like that.

    If you were a mere mortal, like the rest of us, you would be unable to make statements like “of course you do”. But you, like Garafolo, KNOW. You just do.

    Must be cool to be godlike that way.

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  172. I missed most of the comments yesterday as I was having a life. What is so amusing is this:

    I have little time to waste making things up to post.

    This sad little creep has nothing else to do.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  173. daley, heh.

    On my tape, the whole protest lines up in two lines, and then they take turns dancing down the middle. Just like the Soul Train Dance Line, except Todd Stroger stood in for Don Cornelius and Rush Limbaugh’s disembodied head replaced the disco ball. Love … Peace … and Sooooooooul!

    PS – I denounce myself.

    carlitos (a0b3c5)

  174. #165: my, but Ye Olde Troll is noirishly tough. And continues with insults, bringing such VALUE to the discussion. All we need is a lack of capital letters and punctuation, and we have WC.

    And if you are going to quote Bogart, for you the correct response from me ends “…I object to a cut rate one.”

    When are you going to prove your honesty to Patterico, again?

    Eric Blair (0c1fee)

  175. Eric, it has been proven. He has the tape.

    Rush Limbaugh is a sad sack druggie, talking to a microphone alone in a room. Also, he is a conservative kingmaker, bringing 50,000 watts of Clear Channel power. When are you going to stop taking your orders from Limbaugh, the pathetic yet omnipotent ubermann of conservatism?

    carlitos (a0b3c5)

  176. What “facts?” That the noose incident was a white-on-white practical joke?

    Read the full story on background again – the joke was intended for the rodeo team, nothing of a racial nature was involved. While it may have been in poor taste, the rush to judgement by others was both in haste and in error.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  177. There are some things I don’t understand about your rhetorical strategy here, DCSCA. You make a big deal of Fox News’ “promotion” of the tea parties, as if that has some huge significance. But I don’t watch TV–much less Fox News–and I knew about the tea parties beforehand. Where did I learn about them? In my local paper. I don’t get why I’m supposed to be scandalized by that.

    Also, this bit of yours with the Big Lie (i.e. Roesgen and the father/kid who supposedly were yelling “fascist”). Why don’t you just deny the whole incident happened at all? I mean, if the idea is that we’re supposed to believe you instead of our own lying eyes, why stop halfway? That’s the way the Big Lie is supposed to work, isn’t it? The bigger and bolder, the better? I think you need to go practice or get some better training or something, because you’ve clearly screwed this attempt up royally.

    As for being a “moderate Republican” in the eighties, that makes no sense. You abandoned the party after Reagan’s reign why? Because it became MORE conservative under Bush the First? If you say yes I imagine every poster on this board will laugh in your face. So why did you leave? Because President “the bombs will begin falling in fifteen minutes” Reagan was reasonable and flexible, while his successor, President “Read my lips, ok, I will be raising taxes after all” Bush was recalcitrant and immune to negotiation? Your tale just doesn’t ring true, my friend (although it could still be true; no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American voter, after all).

    Oh, and lastly, the thing about Reagan being a liberal Democrat before becoming a conservative Republican is pure hokum. Reagan, although once a Democrat, did not change his politics (nor did the many others who followed the same road). As he clearly stated many times, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around. Again, I don’t want to tell you your business, but a lie has to have some basis in reality in order to be plausible or credible. I really think you need to work on that.

    danebramage (700c93)

  178. “Limbaugh [Palin, Beck, Teaparty Participants, etc., etc...] is your conservative spokesperson, not mine. But by all means, keep him out front and on camera. What a gift.”

    Comment by DCSCA — 4/19/2009 @ 9:11 pm

    Progressive Groupists disparage what they fear – individuals and the inherent free-thought capacity of each. Though showing their own weakness is purely reflexive, thanks anyway for doing your evolutionarily-stunted “best” here, DCSCA.

    J."Trashman" Peden (de71b5)

  179. To Obuma, I’m scarier than Bin Laden. He who authorizes shooting teenage Somali’s but reveals national interrogation secrets. What a true Jeremiah Wright and terrorist Ayers believer. Ole Hussein would rather kiss up Chavez, bow to the king of Saudi Arabia and denigrate the USA than read and protect the Constitution of the United States.
    What a loser we have elected.

    krusher (b0762f)

  180. When are you going to stop taking your orders from Limbaugh, the pathetic yet omnipotent ubermann of conservatism?

    Comment by carlitos — 4/20/2009 @ 6:40 am

    More reflexive weakness on display, more groupthink grist for the mill. Thanks, carlitos – not to mention for the vivid Paranoia and Projection, too!

    J."Trashman" Peden (de71b5)

  181. Comment by J.”Trashman” Peden — 4/20/2009 @ 7:12 am

    Carlios was being ironic/sarcastic…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  182. There is no there there because she is a fellow traveler.

    I love how the smear “fellow traveler” has evolved over the past few years. No, JD, she’s not a fellow traveler. I share the same side of a broad spectrum with her — just as you do with Ron Paul, JG, Limbaugh, Patterico, white supremacists, &c. In other words, if you’d like, I could turn your cheap rhetoric around and spit it back at you, but to be honest, I’m not interested in scoring points in a pissing contest.

    The existence of a white side of campus and a black side of campus does not prove that this was a “white tree” or a “black tree”, SEK.

    I didn’t make any such claim. I simply said that the idea that there was a “white tree” is insane is, itself, insane; and that no one from the Alexandria area would find such self-segregation at a high school surprising.

    That being said, the article expressly shows Roentgen (my pet name for her Radioactive brand of journalism) as the hack job she is. The article stresses the fact that the media chose its stories from a partisan buffet based on the particular narrative to be delivered.

    That’s why I linked it. Of course, it showed that all the coverage, right and left, chose the narrative flattering to its partisan blinders.

    SEK (4f263c)

  183. Ok, everybody who Googled “Roesgen spread” raise your hands.

    nk (0214d0)

  184. [...] Patterico also has more background on Susan Roesgen and her bogus reporting on the Jena 6. Posted in: Blogosphere, Media Bias, Tea Party Send to a Friend Printer Friendly comments (8)   trackbacks (0) [...]

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  185. DCSCA How shocking…you get your “news” from Jon Stewart. Enjoying the koolaid?

    MB (2cc7f5)

  186. That’s the way the Big Lie is supposed to work, isn’t it? The bigger and bolder, the better? I think you need to go practice or get some better training or something, because you’ve clearly screwed this attempt up royally.

    Maybe he could learn something from Axelrod, who is lying about people getting a tax cut. It’s actually a tax credit based on a cut in the employer withholding table that will be taken out of our returns next year, but don’t expect Axelrod, Squealer Gibbs, or our jugeared, helicoptor head-bumping Dear Leader to admit that. Much easier to lie about 95% of the public getting a “tax cut” and hope that no one notices come tax season next year.

    Another Chris (2d8013)

  187. sorry folks! just kidding Ok

    Here is the deal I am actually a very overweight and lonely person with no life. I have no job but Obama promised to pay for my gas and mortgage. He’s not increasing any taxes on myself, just the prices of most the products and services including my utilities and basically everything I have to have in order to function in life.

    I also work for a Democratic party group which floods the internet protecting our king from harm of these radical Americans who question the rights of using money for fictitious programs and wasteful spending. Who are they to say what we can do, you know. (Yes the same groups who triumphed all the McCain programs during the elections)

    Whats wrong with government controlling everyone? It’s for your own good didn’t you know? You need it you just don’t know it yet. Yes We Can !!!

    So pretty much I am really just kind of dumb so never mind what I say, again very lonely and I need a new inflatable doll, last one popped.

    DCSCA (abec63)

  188. You are definitely a Bobo, as well as a lying one. You’ve been called out on your innumerable lies over the past 24 hours, yet have failed to offer one instance of refutation, other than inane verbiage and wordgames. You are a liar – either back it up, or you’re outta here.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  189. [...] am Spartacus” strategy proposed by fellow blogger Patterico who has done yeoman’s work documenting Roesgen’s pattern of biased reporting going all the way back to the Jena [...]

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  190. Dmac, this individual just issues little nuggets of bitter anger and and insult, and then moves on to another topic.

    So don’t hold your breath. After all, his tape is the correct one. The stuff we have seen must have been edited by Karl Rove.

    TdJ.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  191. Good work, Patt. This woman needs to be exposed on all fronts until her employers recognize her as the liability she is.

    dicentra (5fbaa0)

  192. I didn’t make any such claim. I simply said that the idea that there was a “white tree” is insane is, itself, insane; and that no one from the Alexandria area would find such self-segregation at a high school surprising.

    There’s a key word in there and it is “self” and what it does is indicate that no one in authority even vaguely approved of, or was aware of this horrible and blatant racism. Why? Is it possible that the aforementioned racism didn’t exist at all? If it had been goths or A/V pimplefaces or Drama Queers or Jocks who had self-selected (and thereby caused feelings of segregation and other hardships to people who feel like being wounded) would this unpleasantness have ben transformed into a media frenzy?

    My guess is that it would not have been. This soi-disant incident occurred at just the right time to dovetail with other fake hate crimes ( Columbia noose? Yeah she’s still teaching, just not there. Duke?) and manufactured outrage. That is what bothers me about this foolishness: it perpetuates a deeply flawed and often outright incorrect media narrative. SEK may have spent some of his formative years in the South, and may have seen some deep-seated racism there, but in my experience blatant racism is far more prevalent in the North. Unless the black fellow or fellowette happens to be gay, in which case the enlightened Northerners will point proudly to their Colbert-ish “black friend” and get a two-fer. I had an ex who for my birthday rented us a little cabin about a mile and a half outside of Elkins, WVA. Had a hot tub, wireless all sorts of other amenities, yet when we were packing for the trip she insisted on packing milk. When I questioned her about it she replied with ” It’s West Virginia, you know, we might not be able to get milk” and a little bit of our love died that day. In the same way SEK is ascribing behavior to a particular group of people that he hasn’t met and muttering darkly that “no one” would find it surprising.

    What I do not find surprising is that SEK reached his conclusion before all the facts were in evidence and will not be budged from his self-serving moral pinnacle. Perhaps he needs to have a couple of Twinkies and hang out with his friends under the emo tree. But, of course, I respect his choice to self-segregate and when he gets out of high school I will respect his choice to view people as individuals fully capable of choosing where and if they want to sit with other individuals.

    Until his graduation ceremony I remain deeply indebted to him for his proof that trees are racist. I’ll use it in a paper, give him no credit but when it turns out that the “white tree” was descriptive of a white birch I will denounce the paper as hastily written and lay the blame on SEK as “my over-tired staffer.”

    I share the same side of a broad spectrum with her — just as you do with Ron Paul, JG, Limbaugh, Patterico, white supremacists, &c. In other words, if you’d like, I could turn your cheap rhetoric around and spit it back at you, but to be honest, I’m not interested in scoring points in a pissing contest.

    The fun never stops with this guy. “I have pissed, therefore this pissing contest is over!” Just had to toss white supremacists in there, didn’t he? Can’t help himself, I guess. Helpful hint: you’re not going to make valedictorian that way. Watch some Sesame Street and play close attention to the “One of These Things Is Not Like the Other” segments. Perhaps it would be even better if you doubled down on the books, got a good GPA, and finally ventured out into the world without the cosy comforts of ignorance.

    And that’s my lunch hour. Ta, mates.

    Uncle Pinky (834163)

  193. DCSCA = “Die-cut Socialist from California”

    Texas Pete (52e542)

  194. [...] Re: CNN Reporter at Chicago Tea Party: It’s "Anti-CNN Since This is Highly Promoted B Now it turns out that it was Susan Roesgen that screwed up the whole Jena 6 story early on and caused all the misplaced outrage that a local black reporter had to sort out. After it was too late. Patterico’s Pontifications Roesgen Spread “Jena 6″ Myths [...]

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  195. With all due respect, I don’t think that last post was by the “real” RSPCA. The one who has had guys whacked by the CIA, smelled Rush Limbaugh, protected Texaco’s oilfields in Libya, met Von Braun, etc.

    carlitos (37536f)

  196. There’s a key word in there and it is “self” and what it does is indicate that no one in authority even vaguely approved of, or was aware of this horrible and blatant racism.

    No one claimed that anyone in authority approved of anything. I was simply stating a fact. To build on it: if that tree happened to “belong” to the mud-riding red-neck crowd, it would’ve been a whites-only tree; and if a black student sat beneath that tree, it would’ve been a deliberate provocation. But there’s no evidence that the noose is related to the fight at the party, or that the fight at the party was related to the fight that led to the Jena 6 getting national attention, so the point is moot.

    In the same way SEK is ascribing behavior to a particular group of people that he hasn’t met and muttering darkly that “no one” would find it surprising.

    Not only have I met people from southern and central Louisiana, I am people from southern and central Louisiana. And speaking as someone whose high school campus was self-segregating, I’m saying that no one who, like me, grew up in that environment would find the notion of a whites-only tree surprising. Know what else I wouldn’t find surprising? That there was a blacks-only shady side of the home economics building.

    What I do not find surprising is that SEK reached his conclusion before all the facts were in evidence and will not be budged from his self-serving moral pinnacle.

    Uncle Pinky, I think you might not be too bright.

    Just had to toss white supremacists in there, didn’t he? Can’t help himself, I guess. Helpful hint: you’re not going to make valedictorian that way.

    Uncle Pinky, now I’m pretty sure you’re not too bright. Unless you thought repeating my point was the best way to refute it, in which case . . . you’re not too bright.

    SEK (072055)

  197. Actually, SEK, I believe that Uncle Pinky was imitating your blogging tone and style. You think you are a nice fellow, and you have been to me…but your tone can be disagreeable, as you will agree when such a tone is applied to you.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  198. I believe that Uncle Pinky was imitating your blogging tone and style.

    You’ll note that he did a piss-poor job: there’s not a single “you’ll note” in the thing. More seriously:

    but your tone can be disagreeable, as you will agree when such a tone is applied to you.

    Someone else around here been posting under my initials? I don’t think I’ve ever stooped to war board-style extended analogies. (Here, at least. In the glory days of the BBS, the less said about that the better.)

    SEK (072055)

  199. Comment by DCSCA — 4/20/2009 @ 9:17 am

    Who ever it was that spoofed the poster DCSCA needs to fess up before I find a way to give myself banning privileges on this side of the blog.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  200. SEK – Then why bother with the BS white supremacy hoo-ha?

    JD (c6b1ac)

  201. DSCA is a ringer. Paid libs to infiltrate these sites to engage. Just like the ringers who were hired — yes, hired, the ads appeared in the Denver Post and other major city rags — to protest then President Bush and the Iraqi war. It is sad when the Left has to pay for its loyalty. But, true, none of us bother with the left sites. Too be ignored is apparently the worst of all insults to the tantrum throwing left. Acorns anyone?

    Kendra (dfd6f9)

  202. Kendra – While it is beyond dispute that is a tactic they employ, we have seen this ASPCA one around before. I would be shocked were it an astrotrufer, though it is certainly a loyal foot soldier.

    JD (c6b1ac)

  203. SEK – Then why bother with the BS white supremacy hoo-ha?

    That was my point: it’s no more justifiable for you to call anyone to your left “fellow travelers” than it is for me to call anyone to my right “white supremacists.” See how that works now?

    SEK (072055)

  204. Is Senator Byrd (D – KKK) to your right?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  205. No one familiar with the facts in Jena takes Franklin’s revisionist history seriousl. That the Christian Science Monitor published it without asking for the other side of the story shows how desperate white America was to let the air out of the Jena 6 story. Here is my point-by-point refutation: http://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-story-you-havent-heard-unless-youve-been-paying-attention/

    Alan Bean

    Alan Bean (9396da)

  206. DSCA is a ringer. Paid libs to infiltrate these sites to engage.

    Obama’s not getting his money’s worth.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  207. Comment by John Hitchcock — 4/20/2009 @ 1:38 pm

    No! Bobby is a Liberal Racist!

    AD (10aa69)

  208. Yes, SEK. Brilliant point. Fellow travler and white supremacist are clearly comparable.

    Allan Bean knows stuff.

    JD (d71a7a)

  209. #190- Gee, now you’re posting comments under other people’s names, eh. A true conservative coward to be sure. Ashamed of your own words.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  210. #177- I see you’ve decided! Now, now, Ugarte, dont steal Monsieur ‘Patterico’ Blaine’s lines. But then, you had so few worth repeating, didn’t you.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

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  212. Fellow traveler and white supremacist are clearly comparable.

    Remember what I first said? I assume you knew what the phrase used to mean — someone who’s sympathetic to the Communist Party but not a card-carrying member — and that you used it like people do now, to signify that any political sympathies. I used it in the contemporary sense and lumped a bunch of people with anti-federalist positions together in order to show how cheap the “fellow traveler” bit is today. So no, I wasn’t saying they were compatible.

    Is Senator Byrd (D – KKK) to your right?

    Yes. So was David Duke (R – KKK), as are all the folks at that place he regularly posts which I won’t name because they’re notorious vanity googlers.

    So I guess this example-fight is at a stalemate. Actually, there are a few more moves to be made: “Dixiecrats!” Except they were always culturally conservative — i.e. to my right — and became part of the the conservative coalitioni.e. also to my right. In fact, anyone who supports State’s Rights will be to my right, so you can chuck the whole conservative wing of the Democratic Party out the window.

    SEK (072055)

  213. You used to be better than this kind of drivel, SEK.

    Dixiecrats? Really? Since this is the path you have chosen, you can explain to us all how your Democractic brethren fought to maintain slavery, segregation, why Bull Conner, Gov. Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd were respected members of your party.

    I think it would have been easier to admit that the white supremacist bit was a poor choice for some throw away snark. As is, they more you type about it, the more it seems you actually believe it.

    JD (c6b1ac)

  214. #214: time to post that “tape” of yours to Patterico. Because if you have it, you will have bragging rights.

    But you are still a trolling little liar, aren’t you? You got caught, and that must make you grind your teeth more than Rush Limbaugh’s money and success.

    You can insult and try to change the subject, but the record is there.

    You are a cut rate parasite, indeed.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  215. A Democratic ex-KKK member who has been continuously in the Senate for decades is a “stalemate” with a GOP candidate who never got elected …

    What an amusing calculus.

    SPQR (72771e)

  216. “In fact, anyone who supports State’s Rights will be to my right”

    SEK – So in other words, everybody else is a fellow traveler?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  217. “Actually, SEK, I believe that Uncle Pinky was imitating your blogging tone and style.”

    Eric – I thought Uncle Pinky did a great job. I bit about I just pissed so the pissing contest is over was classic SEK and spot on.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  218. #205- DSCA is a ringer. Paid libs to infiltrate these sites to engage. Just like the ringers who were hired — yes, hired, the ads appeared in the Denver Post and other major city rags — to protest then President Bush and the Iraqi war.

    Hold the presses and stop the mail! Darn it and golly gosh with an all caps GEE WHIZ. Bold assertion from the hard right subversives in the party of Watergate; the party who bought off Armstrong Williams and planted James Guckert (aka “Jeff Gannon”), in the White House Press Corp. You didn’t get my cash envelope by mistake, did you? Or did you.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  219. #210 Obama’s not getting his money’s worth.
    Comment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 4/20/2009 @ 2:11 pm

    So you DO support raising taxes after all, dont you.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  220. #194- This woman needs to be exposed on all fronts until her employers recognize her as the liability she is.

    Don’t forget Cavuto.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  221. Dixiecrats? Really? Since this is the path you have chosen, you can explain to us all how your Democractic brethren fought to maintain slavery, segregation, why Bull Conner, Gov. Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd were respected members of your party.

    First, I’m not a Democrat. Second, even if I were, all the people you listed would still be to the right of me.

    I think it would have been easier to admit that the white supremacist bit was a poor choice for some throw away snark.

    Because it wasn’t. I was throwing an equally unfair categorization back at you specifically because it was unfair, in order to say, “These unfair categorizations are cheap and inaccurate,” not because I actually lump you in with white supremacists.

    I thought Uncle Pinky did a great job.

    I don’t take myself so seriously that I won’t admit a good parody when I see one — my entire shtick is Jewish self-deprecation — but that ain’t a good parody.

    So in other words, everybody else is a fellow traveler?

    The phrase insinuates — “I think Johnny might be a Communist.” “But he’s not a member of the CPUSA!” “Then he must be a fellow traveler.” — what available evidence can’t bear out. But it’s a cheap rhetorical stunt, which is what I’ve tried to point out to JD again and again and again today. Let me try it on you: I don’t think you’re a white supremacist, but if we started discussing anti-federalism, you declared yourself in favor of state’s rights, and I responded, “You know who else favors state’s rights? White supremacists.” You’d respond: “But I’m not a white supremacist!” If I shot back, “No, but you’re a fellow traveler,” you’d rightly trounce me for my cheap, unfair and fallacious characterization of your position.

    For whatever reason, JD seems incapable of understanding this today. I’m sure he’ll re-read this tomorrow and realize, “Wait, SEK wasn’t lumping me in with white supremacists, he was pointing out that if he used the same cheap rhetoric I had when I called him a ‘fellow traveler,’ he could call me a ‘white supremacist,’ which he doesn’t believe I am.” In fact, JD, I won’t respond to you again until you realize that.

    SEK (072055)

  222. “So you DO support raising taxes after all, dont you”

    ASPCA – No, Obama’s still got all those illegal Palestinian contributions.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  223. “But it’s a cheap rhetorical stunt”

    You got it, except that I’m not convinced when you said you were not in favor of states’ rights you were saying that as a stunt. If so, that yould make you a fellow traveler, in the historical sense as opposed to the current usage, or do I have that mixed up.

    Nanny-statism forever!

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  224. I want to remind ASCAP that two of us spotted the spoof post right away. Also that Cavuto was on Fox when they covered the “millions more march” in 2005, which pretty much was called “the Million Man March” by most people. But anyway, what do I know. The only videotape I have is that one with James Brown on the T.A.M.I. Show. Same tape I’ve had for years.

    carlitos (1014a5)

  225. C’mon, SEK:

    “…but that ain’t a good parody….”

    You just emitted a straight line waiting for the flying tackle.

    It was a spot on parody to many people here; giving you back what you were trying to do to others. That you don’t think so is hardly the point. And the fact that it was recognized as a good parody by a number of posters should give you pause.

    Wit is not the same thing as a sense of humor, after all.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  226. Wow.


    “..In fact, JD, I won’t respond to you again until you realize that….”


    Something tells me that won’t sting JD in his ouchy places.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  227. You know who else favored states rights – Tom Jefferson. I believe that he also thought a good rebellion every generation or so would be a good idea. And hell, he practically was a white supremacist. Big deal.

    carlitos (1014a5)

  228. Remember Iowahawk’s skewering of Christopher Buckley?

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  229. SEK,

    It seems to me your debate with JD hinges in part on how common it is to believe in states’ rights. If, as you apparently believe, it’s the province of the far right, then saying you are to the left of that puts you in a very large group people. But IMO there are a lot of people who believe in states’ rights, including libertarians, moderates and liberals, so when you say you are to the left of that group then (at least to me) you are part of a much smaller group. One might even call that the group of fellow travelers.

    Anon (b0f193)

  230. A liberal, conservative or libertarian might even believe in a state’s right to legalize marijuana without a certain otherwise-brilliant-in-many-ways Supreme Court Justice finding that growing something in your backyard is “interstate commerce.”

    carlitos (1014a5)

  231. Well, carlitos, a lot has to do with the Federalist “one size fits all” attitude. The idea of small local governance gets tarred with racism and all kinds of things.

    Of course, those accusations seem to frequently come from people who tell me that socialism will work here, unlike anywhere else it has been tried.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  232. Remember Iowahawk’s skewering of Christopher Buckley?

    I wonder if CB is still so enamored of The Precious after he slobbered over Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega and the other pro-communists.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  233. Oh, Bradley. The one singular truth about CB and his friends is that they will never, ever admit that they were wrong.

    They are too well bred for that. Mistakes are for the little people. Like taxes.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  234. [...] professionalism which made her famous on tax day has clearly been par for course in Roesgen career. Patterico has uncovered the extend of her involvement pushing the absurd and reprehensible racially charged narrative: [...]

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  235. [...] professionalism which made her famous on tax day has clearly been par for course in Roesgen career. Patterico has uncovered the extend of her involvement pushing the absurd and reprehensible racially charged narrative: [...]

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  236. [...] professionalism which made her famous on tax day has clearly been par for course in Roesgen career. Patterico has uncovered the extend of her involvement pushing the absurd and reprehensible racially charged narrative: [...]

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  237. I am devastated, SEK. Frankly, I was unaware of the historical usage of that phrase, and as you noted, its current usage denotes people of similar ideologies, which is the usage I was employing. Good on you for admitting that your white supremacist jab was uncalled for.

    JD (769f99)

  238. There were two incidents: One in which The Reporter had corralled a fella with a poster discreetly displaying a pic of President Obama with a Hitler moustache which she found extremely offensive, and *that* man kept saying “Because he is” when she kept asking him why he was calling Obama fascist and asking him: “Do you realize how offensive this is?” (Funny she didn’t find a person wearing a Bush mask with red devil horns and a Hitler moustache offensive).

    I saw that bit on the Daily Kos. Makes me wonder if the guy wasn’t a plant.

    The second bit was about the guy with the little kid, and no he didn’t call Obama fascist. He honestly *was* trying to answer the question: “Why are you here?” until she started ding-donging at him with: “What does this have to to do with taxes? What does this have to do with taxes?…” etc. etc.

    Methinks the lady “reporter” in question is on vacation because people got so angry they contacted network sponsors and threatened a boycott of their product…that would be the only thing that would make CNN send her on vacation. Nothing like lost revenues to catch the attention of the Front Office.

    MyCatJoseph (ac170f)

  239. She was “vacationed”. That is a good new verb.

    JD (769f99)

  240. I once worked for Susan Rosegen’s father when he was a newspaper publisher. He wasn’t wild about a lot of journalists under him as he thought they were too liberal. Makes me wonder what he thinks about his daughter now.

    Frank (cd08ad)

  241. “Why are you here?” until she started ding-donging at him with: “What does this have to to do with taxes? What does this have to do with taxes?…” etc. etc.

    The worst part was when she started sounding like an out-and-out spokesperson, an out-and-out sychophant — or in plain English, a butt kisser, or a brown noser — for the guy now in the White House. That was the moment when she started saying how Obama’s budget/tax plan was going to bring a wad of dollars to the wallet of the guy she was interviewing, and to the state he resided in.

    Look up the definition of “advocacy journalism” and you’ll see a picture of Susan Roesgen.

    Mark (411533)

  242. She tainted journalism…period.

    Kevin Fodor (f21185)

  243. The whole JENA 6 was one of the biggist lies from a bunch of no good lying liberal left-wing journalists i mean these dirty lying journalists should all be sent to the spicemines of kessel or to the penal planet of ELBA II

    Krazy Kagu (c48b27)

  244. Why do liberals rely on Jon Stewart to be there primary source for news? A semi-talented comedian on Comedy Central has more influence over these people than anyone else. It would probably be better if Southpark was the newssource as it is a least more accuarte than him.

    chuck (2eeed5)

  245. And what is ironic, chuck, is how the Left heaps scorn on the Right for listening to Rush Limbaugh.

    This projection thing they have seems pretty evident.

    Eric Blair (ad3775)

  246. I appreciate the good work exposing these liberal fascist propaganda writers for what they are. In the meantime, I boycott all liberal fascist propaganda outlets like CNN, and I encourage every real, freedom-loving American to do the same. The lib-nazis are mesmerized by their echo chamber, they are clueless and will not know what hit them when the SHTF.

    Rick LaBonte (da1ce1)

  247. Susan showed amateurist journalism in her segment regards the highly popular tea parties. Makes one wonder just how successful she was at NGC which was her gig before CNN. They must have let her go.She has not been regularly employed since My understsanding in NO,her hometown does only spot work gfor CNN. She ought to go back to that second tier station in NO where she came from

    noah robert (8b8ad1)

  248. Craig Franklin’s claim that “the crudely constructed nooses were not aimed at black students” is far-fetched. He needs to link the expulsion committee’s report, instead of paraphrasing it.

    Anthony Jackson, one of Jena High’s two black teachers, spotted three nooses hanging from the tree and jokingly said to another teacher, “One’s for you, one’s for me. Who’s the other one for?”

    Franklin doesn’t mention his wife is one of Jena’s white teachers. Or her run-ins with Mychal Bell’s mother.

    It takes a boatload of convincing to dispel the notion that noose-hanging from trees in the rural South channels ‘white-on-white’ undertones. I would venture that punishment for the offending students would have been nothing like it turned out, had such been convincingly shown.

    It’s fairly evident both Roesgen and Franklin had “an incomplete understanding of what really happened.”

    steve (287626)

  249. It is pretty clear that steve likes asspulls.

    JD (fecec9)

  250. JD – It’s almost like steve was there, like Franklin.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  251. “Asspulls” an Indiana term?

    steve (8f62f8)

  252. No, steve, it is a term of art that describes the act of removing stories from one’s rectum in order to advance Teh Narrative.

    Let’s start with the idea that it was “far-fetched” that the nooses were directed to someone other than the black students or teachers. It only appears to be “far-fetched” to those that are invested in making a far greater racist incident out of this than the facts would support. From the accounts of the people involved, that Patterico posted on extensively previously, it is clear that the nooses were aimed at their fellow rodeo friends.

    Anthony Jackson’s quote adds nothing to the debate, and is a complete non-sequeter.

    Oooooooooooo. Franklin’s wife is a teacher? He must be a racist.

    It only takes a boatload of convincing to those that are intent on making a racist incident out of this. Given the boatload of convincing that you require, does any calf roping competition held in the South require the same level of convincing, since it involves white people and nooses?

    JD (2e8bd8)

  253. Given the boatload of convincing that you require, does any calf roping competition held in the South require the same level of convincing, since it involves white people and nooses?

    Principals don’t expel students for comic attempts to ridicule rodeo friends. It took the Jena school board AND an expulsion committee to painstakingly lighten the sentence.

    The black teacher’s reaction is not a “non-sequeter.” No suggestion by an authority figure of racial alienation could possibly be.

    Abbey Brown of the nearby Alexandria (LA) paper covered this from the beginning:

    The nooses weren’t reported to the police, Sheriff’s Office or District Attorney’s Office by the school or any of the parents who were aware of it. It was handled by the school authorities, who conducted an investigation into members of the rodeo team. According to the school, the nooses were hung as a prank in response to a question asked in a “jocular fashion” by a male student at an orientation assembly, [U.S. Attorney Donald] Washington said.

    Franklin countered a “myth” with one of his own regarding the noose incident catalyst. He also sided with the school system that pays (some of) his bills. I’m inclined to agree that Jena never was a broiling cauldron of bigotry and intolerance and that “civil rights” leaders fanned tensions for their own gain. (That’s a non sequitur.)

    As for Susan Roesgen, she should walk the plank for Chicago last week, not Jena two years ago.

    steve (287626)

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