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4/15/2009

Today, Tea Parties. What Tomorrow?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:00 am



It’s Tax Day, and across the country, “tea parties” have been organized to protest Barack Obama’s out-of-control spending and other oppressive and dangerous policies. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Glenn Reynolds says:

The good news for Republicans is that, while the Republican Party flounders in its response to the Obama presidency and its programs, millions of Americans are getting organized on their own. The bad news is that those Americans, despite their opposition to President Obama’s policies, aren’t especially friendly to the GOP.

True dat. There’s a lot of us out here with passionate, unbridled opposition to the disaster that is the Obama administration . . . but we’re left with seemingly nowhere to go. Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal, bless their hearts, aren’t Ronald Reagan. And that’s who we need. I’m about ready to grab a shovel, drive up to Simi Valley, and start digging. Only, there has to be somebody alive who could do the job.

Our haughty overlords in Big Media will doubtless discount the sentiments behind these demonstrations as Fox News-inspired Astroturfing. That’s a mistake. The anger is out here. It’s palpable.

But it needs to be channeled into action, or it won’t do us any good at all.

The problem is, what action? Bigger donations to the same clowns who let the deficit balloon during the Bush administration? Who were too gutless to fight lawless filibusters of qualified judicial nominees? Who allowed Barack Obama to cruise to victory by hanging the mortgage crisis around the neck of George Bush — without a fight? A crisis that was a product of neglect by both parties, quite notably corrupticrats like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd?

No. We’re not falling back in line with these morons.

But we have to do something.

All across this country today, you’ll see the frustration. You’ll see the high emotions prompted by a sense of hopelessness about the direction of this country. It will be a useful demonstration of political anger.

But tomorrow, what will we do with it?

234 Responses to “Today, Tea Parties. What Tomorrow?”

  1. I agree with your premise, it’s beyond frustrating to watch the GOP FUBAR continuously over the past few years – but there are leaders out there, but their exposure has been limited. Weber from the House and Kyl of the Senate have been particularly good on the few occasions they’ve been offered airtime to speak their minds. They both speak from the same sense of economic possibilities for all, and why this boondoggle must be halted at all costs.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  2. The media and the left wingers will do what they can to turn this toward Republicans. One thing the GOP should be grateful for: Had Obama really made some serious gestures of bipartisanship, the Republicans would be sunk for a generation. He is the best thing the party has going for it. The trouble is that there are very few, if any, politicians who understand what is going on. This is a libertarian phenomenon but the big L Libertarians are at least as dumb as the Republican pols. Newt Gingrich is making noises about a third party but he isn’t much better.

    David Frum was showing some good ideas but he has gone over to the dark side by taking that dumb DHS “report” seriously.

    So far, the movement seems to be spontaneous and should keep clear of obligations to the politicians. Accepting help for promotion is OK but no commitments.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  3. It is so frustrating. The RNC has betrayed conservatives and now calls and berates former supporters for abandoning them. I get appoplectics when I accidently pick up their phonecalls. But we have to do something and the people in charge are not up to it. Fox News is turning into a parody of itself with no serious news coverage and pandering to its network of insiders writing books. I have never felt so hopeless (and I lived through Jimmy Carter). Real conservatives could expose Obama for what he is but they are not onstage.

    Ralph (a6eb9a)

  4. There was a hunger for someone like Reagan at that point in time. People’s frustration had been gelling for sometime and he was the leader that understood what was needed.
    What’s next? Perhaps a GOP that starts to focus on information that makes sense to the everyday American. “How much have your taxes really gone up? Use our calculator so you can compare your current tax bite to what it was in 2006, 2007 or 2008.” Don’t like what you see then here are the email and telephone numbers for your congressmen and senators. Here are the GOP action officers in your area – get to know them.
    My point is that the GOP and conservatives are not connecting with what matters to everyday Americans. When that begins to occur I think the next “leader for these times” will begin to emerge, whoever him or her happens to be.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  5. I agree with voiceofreason2. The answer isn’t to yearn for Reagan. The answer is to focus on developing and picking good leaders at the grassroots level who can run for office in 2010. The next Reagan will come from them.

    Anon (8b9d41)

  6. The T.E.A. partry movement won’t achieve a whole lot of change. What is important is that regular folks are getting up off their duffs and actually doing something. Whether they know it or not, they are building a network which will become the foundation of the next act in this little drama.

    Some will become more involved locally at the city and county level. Other will run for state office and for national offices. A dew will try to change their party from the inside, others will run as independents.

    The important thing is the network they are building and the confidence they are gaining in what they are doing now. What they are doing now is putting the traditional party pols on notice. Life as the two party system has known it is over.

    Warren Bonesteel (58d47d)

  7. Found the American Restoration Party

    A party founded on fiscal responsibility, localism, belief in freedom of speech, and Restoration of American Values.

    Ensure the viability of the free market, America’s ability to defend itself and it’s allies, and to secure a chance for all to improve themselves.

    Justin Nace (54b537)

  8. I don’t know anything about them, but there are people working on post-tea party activism.

    Karl (f07e38)

  9. One of the first things that should be done is to do all we can to get the people at DHS, who produced this latest alert about right wing extremists, outed and fired

    Haile Tsada (7ff562)

  10. Absent fundamental structural changes, the idea of a 3rd party emerging is not very likely. It is more likely that one of the parties will gradually encompass the values of the people that feel as though their party has left them.

    JD (20b35d)

  11. A couple of thoughts come to mind as I read this:

    1. Patterico, do you realize that when you talk about digging Reagan up, you sound like those folks who were extolling the virtues of FDR and JFK during the ’80s? Those folks eventually became so embittered that they would come to do things like…what they did during Bush’s term. As a result, they’ve only now started winning again. While you can count on things being a little faster in the Internet age, you can’t count on folks understanding Reagan forever.

    2. Beyond mere winning and losing, is there something about the word “Republican” that makes a lot of you folks hang your head in shame? When you use phrases like “I am a conservative,” or “These are American values,” or “the two party system is over,” do you realize that you are sending the message to the general public that you’d rather not be associated with Republicans?

    I’d really appreciate your responses, as it seems to me you are more interested in throwing more crap on Republicans than in looking to them to see how we can help each other out in this time.

    Brad S (9f6740)

  12. The Moby is back.

    SPQR (72771e)

  13. Brad: Come back to this blog when you’re old enough to shave. I already told you that.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  14. Why the TEA PARTIES you say? Millions of Americans did everything right and worked all their lives to build a retirement nest egg so they would not have to rely on their government to only then find themselves betrayed by the leaders of this country. I blame our government as a whole for the mess we are in (both parties). However, the evidence shifts mainly to the majority rule congress for the last few years. Now the entire government is out of control and must be brought down to size. How can this be done? I fear the only way now is what was laid out by Thomas Jefferson: “…And what country can preserve its liberties, if it’s rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

    StopTakingMyMoney (6f34b9)

  15. What has the current batch of Congressional Republicans done that suggests we should be proud of them?

    JD (20b35d)

  16. Look a them–so pathetic about not wanting to help this country get on its feet–just like Norm Coleman in Minnesota the Repubs can dish it out but they can’t take it. This is just more whining and cry-baby antics from the party of NO.

    Terry M (092d99)

  17. I do not think Brad S is a Moby. I think he is just misguided, and he prefers to put party ahead of principle.

    JD (20b35d)

  18. Thank you for your witty and insightful analysis, Terry. You have convinced everyone of the error of their ways.

    JD (20b35d)

  19. If you can organize a well orchestrated event like a nationwide tea party why can you put together job fairs with the same effort. Very immature for a conservative group. The Bible talks about putting Childish ways behind you.

    Marc (c5a738)

  20. But… but… but you never let me do anything!

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  21. And, Marc, you have no idea who is doing this “nationwide organizing.” Buy a clue.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  22. JD,

    What is it about principle that makes people want to belong to a group? Is there something about Principle that is so compelling, so worthwhile to uphold, that we can disregard or discard People and Parties that can help you fulfill that principle?

    Brad S (9f6740)

  23. This just amazes me, where were all these “tea-baggers” when Pres Bush was spending like there was no tomorrow? Now we have a major economic mess to deal with because of Bush admin and all they are doing is wining about their taxes? Its also kind of funny because if most of them would stop to look at their checks, they would see an increase in take-home pay due to tax cuts recently put in. Or did they? If not, Im guessing its because they are in the top 10 wage earners who dont know what reality is like the rest of us do. I wish these people would stop trying to bring down the Obama admin and do something to help their country. Maybe a day volunteering at a local food bank would have been a day better spent.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  24. Marc is an idiot and Sam is a douchenozzle. The way to fix excessive spending is to spend trillions more !!!!!!!!!!! Don’t forget, you got a $13 tax break, temporarily, per paycheck! Thank you Barcky!!!!!!!

    JD (20b35d)

  25. Brad – What has the current group of Congressional Republicans done that warrants their supports, besides being not-Dem?

    JD (20b35d)

  26. What next? Shrug-ins.

    We just sit in front of government buildings shrugging our shoulders, as in “Atlas Shrugged”. Bring your own globe.

    j curtis (3d874b)

  27. Maybe a day volunteering at a local food bank would have been a day better spent.

    You don’t get it, Sam. Volunteering and direct personal action is sooooo passe in this new administration. We are now just supposed to hand over our money and let the government take care of it. To the degree that anyone “volunteers” it is supposed to be college kids who receive academic credit and a stipend for doing so.

    JVW (a41f0c)

  28. Hey JD, typical Repub response, name-call, bash and whine. If you hate things so much, how bout doing us all a favor and move to Canada.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  29. Please, let calmer heads prevail. The Republicans/Conservatives have become obstructances. They have no desire to come up with better ideas, they only what road blocks, it is their way or no way.

    This smacks of the my generation; the “me” generation. As the so called thinking generation as they liked to call themselves they have subcum to the lowest common denominator “Rush Limbaugh” and the philosophy, if it is repeat once, it’s fact!

    It is why I am no longer a Conservative or a Republican, but total and complete Independent!

    Jack (600b5a)

  30. Go back to Kos. Mock and scorn is all you astro-trufers deserve.

    Maybe you can explain to us how the cure for excessive spending is trillions more in excessive spending.

    JD (20b35d)

  31. The Dems seem to be the party of slogans, i.e. calling the GOP “the party of no” as one person commented. Keep drinking the Kool-aid. The Tea Parties are not about the GOP. It is the frustration of the critical thinkers in this country who are saying “enough over-taxation”. The action that needs to follow is the removal of the politicians from both parties who are corrupt and have been in office too long.

    Strict term limits, make lobbying illegal, and remove anyone who has been in office more than 10 years. They all contributed to this mess, yet none seem to have any sense of responsiblity, claiming “it was not me”.

    The CNN commentator Paul Begala and his goofy “paying taxes is patriotic” lame-brain comment shows he needs to go also. Perhaps we need to review his tax returns to see how patriotic he has been lately…

    Ralph Dahm (9d8cad)

  32. Patterico – Any idea where this infiltration of trolls is coming from?

    1) Obstructionists – check
    2) obligatory Rush bashing – check
    3) claim of independence – check

    JD (20b35d)

  33. You do realize that your party started this bailout program. Stop blaming Obama for what bush did. The largest bailouts were passed while bush was still in office and he signed off on them. He also dug us into this hole. Deregulate the banks and they will cheat counting on us to bail them out. I agree that we need to stop bailing these companies out. If we dont, theyy will just screw up again knowing that we will save them. but do not blame this whitehouse for what your party did.

    Avezes (ee813a)

  34. Maybe you can explain why Bush was allowed to spend fortunes away in the prior 8 years? Where was your concern then? Why no teat parties then? And by the way,,that $13.00 you talk about is more of an increase in my check than Ive seen in 8 years.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  35. This just amazes me, where were all these “tea-baggers” when Pres Bush was spending like there was no tomorrow?

    Sam, do you have any idea how much greater the deficits are that Obama is creating ? I don’t think you do. Maybe this will help.

    A lot of us were unhappy with Bush’s failure to veto spending and his failure to rein in the Fed and its expansion of credit during the housing bubble.

    Still, there has been nothing like this in our history. The only comparison I see is Weimar Germany.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  36. Maybe you can explain why Bush was allowed to spend fortunes away in the prior 8 years? Where was your concern then? Why no tea parties then? And by the way,,that $13.00 you talk about is more of an increase in my check than Ive seen in 8 years.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  37. My solution…SUPPORT THE FAIR TAX! And find someone that is a conservative (yet moderate enough to not completely alienate the other half), has good morals and values, very few skeletons in their closet, and SUPPORT THEM. (If someone like that exists and is willing to put themselves out there for public scrutiny!) :o)

    If it weren’t such a horrible life being in politics, I’d nominate my husband.

    yourlilsis (9d1ada)

  38. It is why I am no longer a Conservative or a Republican, but total and complete Independent!

    Comment by Jack

    Sure you were, Jack. What seminar just let out ?

    MIke K (2cf494)

  39. THIS MOVEMENT STARTED ON FEBRUARY 15 IN PORTLAND OREGON BY A STAY AT HOME MOM. IT IS GRASS ROOTS AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE REPUBS. I AM GOING TODAY TO THE HOUSTON TEA PARTY BECAUSE I AM PROTESTING REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS FOR PASSING VERY BAD LEGISLATION. CNN AND THE MSM NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT. I am an independent who voted for OBAMA who has totally let me down and has already broken numerous promises he made on the campaign trail. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE POLITICIANS TO BE IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTEN TO US, THE PEOPLE. THE RNC AND SOME TALK SHOW HOSTS HAVE USURPED THE STAGE AND ARE TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT, LIKE IN STUPID WISCONSIN LETTING THEIR ELECTED REP WHO VOTED FOR TARP TO SPEAK. I HOPE HE GETS BOOED OFF THE STAGE AND HE IS A REPUB. I’M PISSED AT MY GOVERNMENT AND IN 2010 I WILL BE VOTING FOR EVERYONE WHO IS NOT AN INCUMBENT. ACCORDING TO THE DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY I AM A THREAT AND A TERRORIST. OUR GOVERNMENT BETTER LISTEN, BECAUSE WE IN FLY OVER COUNTRY ARE PISSED OFF.

    Nay Nay (5ccffb)

  40. The largest bailouts were passed while bush was still in office and he signed off on them

    .

    Except for the “stimulus” that Baracky/Nancy/Harry passed and signed.

    If this stuff is sooooo insignificant and useless, why are you Leftists so concerned about it?

    Sam – Sorry that the grocery bagging industry has not proven to be a growth profession.

    Again, you need to show us where we agreed with the Republican spending first, and then you can explain how the cure for excessive spending is to spend literally trillions more.

    JD (20b35d)

  41. Mike, you are right, there is nothing like this in history, the worst economic problem since the great depression. If you were unhappy at Bush’s spending, where was your action then, why no gatherings then?

    Sam (f09e4d)

  42. ALL CAPS IS CRUISE CONTROL TO COOL !

    h/t Scott Jacobs

    JD (20b35d)

  43. Sam – Explain to use how the cure to excessive spending is literally trillions more in excessive spending.

    JD (20b35d)

  44. Karl, I took a look at that post-tea party site. It is run by Jim Ryun’s son, a Christian conservative. I don’t know that they are the ones to follow through but they are not offensive. It will be a while before this shakes out. I suspect there will be lots of questionable would-be “leaders” show up for a while. I don’t mind Christian conservatives but I don’t follow them anywhere.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  45. JD,

    I will answer your question with a question: So are you one of those conservatives who is in “What have you done for me lately?” mode? If so, is that what you call a “principle,” shaming people into proving they’ve done something for you lately?

    Just how are you different from certain Dem groups who continually have their hand out?

    Brad S (9f6740)

  46. Please, let calmer heads prevail. The Republicans/Conservatives have become obstructances. They have no desire to come up with better ideas, they only what road blocks, it is their way or no way.

    This smacks of the my generation; the “me” generation. As the so called thinking generation as they liked to call themselves they have subcum to the lowest common denominator “Rush Limbaugh” and the philosophy, if it is repeat once, it’s fact!

    It is why I am no longer a Conservative or a Republican, but total and complete Independent!

    Publick ejumakashun at werk!

    And, where have I seen that last line before?

    Good job, Jack.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  47. I like how Avizes shows up and repeats myths long ago debunked here.

    SPQR (72771e)

  48. It was the Bush Administration that proposed and passed the 700 billion dollar bailout for automakers and banks. How did it become the Obama bailout?

    “MSNBC reported this week (Nov 18, 2008)that the Bush Administration will leave at least half of the $700 billion bailout fund for President Elect Obama’s people to deal with.”

    Mary (8894aa)

  49. Good Gawd. What is this? Floodgate Wednesday?

    EW1(SG) (e27928)

  50. “If it weren’t such a horrible life being in politics, I’d nominate my husband.”

    Yourlilsis has just described why nobody takes intellecutal conservatives seriously. Too many intellectual conservatives who “hanker to get Washington out of our lives” want nothing to do with getting into a Washington life in order to achieve the first goal.

    Brad S (9f6740)

  51. the worst economic problem since the great depression Carter administration.

    FTFY

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  52. JD, you have no idea where I work. Why Im so concerned about it is it’s divisive and selfish. I can show where you agreed with Repub spending by no show of outrage like you’re doing now. Where were your public protests during that 8 years?

    Sam (f09e4d)

  53. EW1(SG), the Obama acolytes are speeding around the internet bravely defending Obama by making up the same long debunked memes.

    SPQR (72771e)

  54. “Please, let calmer heads prevail. The Republicans/Conservatives have become obstructances. They have no desire to come up with better ideas, they only what road blocks, it is their way or no way.”

    Sorry, Jack. You blew your chance at dominating the GOP for the next 20 years when you decided the GOP was dogcrap and not worthy of participating in the “stimulus package” process. Now your side gets to own everything. Now you get to see how little an improving economy (as soon as later this year) helps you.

    Brad S (9f6740)

  55. Sam, the idea that no one organized protests against the budgets of the Bush administration is not an excuse for Obama to adopt budgets with more than double the deficit, tripling the debt in a decade.

    Grow up.

    SPQR (72771e)

  56. Oh and by the way JD, explain to us how curing the deficit is by tax cuts that didnt work in the last 8 years? What the problem really is, you are in the higher paid group that is now going to have pay their fair share of taxes and you dont like it.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  57. Rules according to Sam:

    If a Republican is in office, dissent and protest is patriotic.
    If a Democrat is in office, dissent and protest is divisive and selfish.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  58. How did it become the Obama bailout?

    They are in fact two separate failures of the public trust.

    It’s just that the O!ne’s is an even more spectacular failure.

    But hey. You didn’t really come here for debate…you’ll just spew a talking point or two and be gone…

    EW1(SG) (e27928)

  59. This just amazes me, where were all these “tea-baggers” when Pres Bush was spending like there was no tomorrow?

    It seems to me that Bush got more congressional support from Democrats than Republicans for his spending sprees ( except when it came to providing for our troops and fighting terrorists ), so the answer to your question is that they were opposing Bush and his Democrat accomplices. Still amazed?

    j curtis (3d874b)

  60. Sam, explain how Obama promised to reduce the deficit but instead is planning to more than double it?

    By the way, since you seem ignorant of the reality of taxation, the proportional share of taxes paid by upper income groups has increased during the Bush administration.

    SPQR (72771e)

  61. SPOR, you grow up. Once again no answers for your wonderful spending and regulation relaxation that got us into the mess we are in now.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  62. Sam, if I make ten times as much money as you, should I have to pay ten times as much money in taxes?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  63. #54 SPQR:

    the Obama acolytes are speeding around the internet

    I wonder if it’s a special google search function based on “tea party.”

    EW1(SG) (e27928)

  64. You arent paying ten times as much in taxes, maybe in your mind you are. Its a consistent falsehood.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  65. You arent paying ten times as much in taxes, maybe in your mind you are. Its a consistent falsehood.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  66. “Tea Party” sounds too gay. Just call it a tax revolt. I think these things make Republicans look ridiculous. Please, no huge head puppets.

    Check this out. California is asking TARP to guarantee its debt, while California refuses to balance its budget.

    http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1781008.html

    Wesson (c1f69b)

  67. Once again no answers for your wonderful spending and regulation relaxation that got us into the mess we are in now.

    As j curtis notes, ’twere Democrats that managed to create this mess with some help from the RINOs, but they aren’t real anxious to clamber up and claim the blame credit.

    EW1(SG) (e27928)

  68. I feel sorry for all of you, the paranoia you have over “your” money and taxes and a black president beyond belief ad pitiful. I’ll leave you all to whine in your coffee, Im sure it will accomplish alot to help our economy and those suffering.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  69. I feel sorry for all of you, the paranoia you have over “your” money and taxes and a black president beyond belief ad pitiful. I’ll leave you all to whine in your coffee, Im sure it will accomplish alot to help our economy and those suffering.

    Sam (f09e4d)

  70. Sam, actually the falsehoods seem to be coming from you. The upper income groups pay disproportionately more of the income taxes in comparison to the amount of income they receive. And its been increasing during the last 8 years.

    Democrats are full of falsehoods about taxation.

    SPQR (72771e)

  71. Sam, calling us racists is rather typical of the dishonest argument we’ve come to expect from trolls like you.

    SPQR (72771e)

  72. http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/04/15/tax-day-do-the-math/

    Good article from Jay Bevan – originally written in 2001.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  73. But, you see, Sam, I asked a very direct question, a question that started with “if” and ended with a “should” clause. You were incapable of answering that question.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  74. Just got my first paycheck with the Obama tax cut in it. It’s a bi-monthly paycheck with $33.34 extra in it, which means $800 extra per year. I’m a happy camper (at least while my job is in place – fingers crossed and working hard).

    I guess a lot of people like me will look at these tea parties with people whining about taxes and think “why are those weirdos whining about tax increases? It just doesn’t make any sense…”. Total disconnect with reality.

    oderfla (22a589)

  75. And, by the by, if I earn it, it is indeed mine.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  76. If I didn’t think that oderfla was a fake, I’d think it pretty amusing when oderfla found he had to pay that “tax cut” back next year.

    SPQR (72771e)

  77. This thread has been successfully hijacked. Back to the question at hand: What about tomorrow?

    Popcorn (976145)

  78. Moby meme from “Brad S.”

    Now you get to see how little an improving economy (as soon as later this year) helps you.

    Obama fixed the economy! And we won’t get the credit! So saith our newest Moby.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (7bc608)

  79. Terry M writes Look a them–so pathetic about not wanting to help this country get on its feet–just like Norm Coleman in Minnesota the Repubs can dish it out but they can’t take it. This is just more whining and cry-baby antics from the party of NO.
    Do you understand that your thinking is sooo wrong. Somehow you have gotten a little confused becasue of media talk. You repeat their catch phrases. Here is what the mainstream media has done in catering to thier party of choice. If ACORN or other left leaning group sponsors a bill through politicians and then another group protests, the democrats and media jump up and call the other group lobbyists, which is true, but not any more than the first group was. When Obama sponsors a bill nd the democrats all support it out of fear but republicans say wait, lets negotiate, they are called the party of NO. They are called partisan. they present a bill that the democrats spend about two seconds to consider and they are not called the party of NO. As an independent I see throught he sham of media and the strict one way politics of Obama and the democrats. I am sorry that you cannot see that. the current protest out there labeled as tea parties are anti big governement, not pro any party. They can see the problems presented by big spending, they can see double digit infaltion, a valueless dollar and double digit unemployment caused by this current policy. You had better wake up and help to slow down the spening before it is too late.

    Bruce Peterson (41763e)

  80. I saw lots of soggy people at the Capitol in Harrisburg today. It’s a good thing amphibians don’t mind the rain.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  81. Brad S writes Now you get to see how little an improving economy (as soon as later this year) helps you. Obama fixed the economy! And we won’t get the credit! So saith our newest Moby.

    How ignorant of you to think that Obama has fixed the economy. Obama is smart enough to know that the economy was going to recover on its own, he was smart enough to know that this was a chance to make federal governemnt bigger while he could. please answer me a question, If the federal government acts like AIG, Fannie Mae and MAC (who were ordered by feds to overlend) and spends way beyond their means to repay, who bails them out? We all will pay through super high taxes, and no insentive for anyone to make money. Why start a business if the government takes it all away?

    Bruce Peterson (41763e)

  82. Why didn’t people protest former President Bush that NEVER represented us and clearly spent our tax money unreasonably which caused Obama to have to bailout anyone? Every obstacle the Conservatives/Extreme Right Wing/Racists/Republicans put in Obama’s way,the smarter he looks and stronger he becomes. A Tea Party for the President who does the most representation for his administration’s policies? Congrats GOP, you look stupid…AGAIN! I guarantee Obama will win in 2012!

    YHate (a52608)

  83. No Taxation Withou Representation
    I just wrote this email to the Mike Gallagher show
    I just heard the opening of your show when you talked about Rick Santulli. He did provoke this movement but I think it should lead to the next phase—– No Taxation Without Representation.

    The Obama administration is making it perfectly clear that they are expanding the base of those who pay no Federal Income taxes at all. Ari Fleisher, in the Wall Street Journal, wrote that it could approach 50% or more of all taxpayers this year and beyond.

    Those of us who pay taxes do not have representation when 50% of taxpayers pay no taxes. They will just vote for more benefits for themselves. The Democrats know this and they are moving us there so they will remain a permanent majority for years.

    I think people need to be taking us in this new direction—No Taxation Without Representation.

    John (278099)

  84. This is too funny. The reason why the country is in the mess it is in today all started with “Reaganomics”. To insinuate that we need someone like him now is a slap in the face to all middle class people. The policies put in place over the past 25 years have benefited the rich and the very wealthy a.k.a “corporations”. The money does not “trickle” down, so Reaganomics is dead and so is the mantra of the Republicans “Lower Taxes”. The Republicans are all for lower taxes …… on the very rich who line their pockets, so enough with the corruption. The money being spent now in deficit is the result of trying to fix decades of abuse by the Republican party on Americans in general (insert here stagnant wages, low paying jobs, outsourcing, tax cuts for the rich, no health insurance, financial crash, etc.) With the grace of God, this country will not see another Republican in power for the next 100 years!!!!

    Dave (7a04d7)

  85. oderfla writes Just got my first paycheck with the Obama tax cut in it. It’s a bi-monthly paycheck with $33.34 extra in it, which means $800 extra per year. I’m a happy camper (at least while my job is in place – fingers crossed and working hard). I guess a lot of people like me will look at these tea parties with people whining about taxes and think “why are those weirdos whining about tax increases? It just doesn’t make any sense…”. Total disconnect with reality.

    I hope that you are being sarcastic. But if not here is a touch of reality for you. TANSTAAFL – There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Someone has to pay, and since the rich already pay most of the taxes in the country, when they run out, you will pay. the government does not pay you, other people pay you. every dime the government pays you you will pay back with interest. So, enjoy it now, because when the dollar is devalued by all of this spending and printing money, and China won’t lend us a dime, and may even want some back, its your money that the government will come for next.

    Bruce Peterson (41763e)

  86. The money being spent now in deficit is the result of trying to fix decades of abuse by the Republican party on Americans in general (insert here stagnant wages, low paying jobs, outsourcing, tax cuts for the rich, no health insurance, financial crash, etc.) With the grace of God, this country will not see another Republican in power for the next 100 years!!!!

    Considering that the republicans controlled the house for 12 years out of the last 70 your statement has little truth in it. Whether it is a republican, independent or democrat the house is where changes will start.
    If movements such as this drive a caucus committed to no earmarks, lower taxes, and a move to pushing responsibilities for most funding to the state level it will be a great start.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  87. If all these people are serious about the tea parties, why not just don’t pay your taxes and get hauled off to jail? If millionsdid it –hell, even if it was just one million–the govt would shut down & the prison system would be overrun, effectively shutting down the govt.

    JEA (53fe4f)

  88. Are we going for some sort of record for distinct number of Moby/trolls who comment, “Why weren’t you right-wingers mad at Bush when he drove deficits up”? As if we regulars here were cheerleaders for the stupid prescription drug plan and some of the other awful costly social initiatives of the Bush era. These clowns seem to forget that our country was attacked on September 11, 2001, our economy took a huge pounding, and we had to spend billions and billions to repair New York and fight back against our enemy. Yeah, Iraq has been expensive and divisive, but at least we have a strong shot at a functioning pluralistic democracy there — something to show for all those “investments” (to borrow the lefties’ favorite term). That is a far cry from the 30+ years of dumping federal money into education while watching the standards continue to erode (to take but one example).

    This attitude that because one side was irresponsible in spending taxpayer dollars the other side automatically gets to be ridiculously irresponsible in spending them is bunk and shows the insincerity of liberals’ posturing on fiscal responsibility.

    What time do all the trolls go back under the bridge? I think I will wait it out.

    JVW (a41f0c)

  89. Silly JEA (10:45 am) — everyone knows that when you don’t pay your income taxes you don’t go to jail, you get appointed to the Obama Administration.

    JVW (a41f0c)

  90. Better would be:

    No Representation without Taxation

    That’s right. Deny the vote to people who do nopt pay taxes. That was how it was back in the day.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  91. The GOP will have to choose between remaining true to conservatives and possibly losing more ground, or appealing to a broader base by becoming more moderate.

    I think the true root of these protests is that conservatives are very nervous about how that will shake out…

    As for Obama’s budget, who on earth thinks it will pass as-is? It’s a set-up, pure and simple – Republicans will be forced to choose between continuing deficits or biting into their traditional sacred cows: tax cuts and defense spending.

    Tom, Portland ME (33e182)

  92. It is pathetic what the Obamanites are doing today. The DHS woman has rushed an article to CNN saying extreme right wingers (aka as republicans) are responsible for the Tea Parties and a HUGE picture shows them to be Nazis!! This is the “pot calling the kettle black.” This is proof that Obama is worried about the protests, but I also shows the LIES of the Obama people. Someone has got to stand up and call for impeachment before we are all slaves.

    annnort (38bfbb)

  93. Considering that the republicans controlled the house for 12 years out of the last 70 your statement has little truth in it. ?????????

    Obviously, math is not your forte, neither is money.

    Dave (7a04d7)

  94. That’s right. Deny the vote to people who do nopt pay taxes. That was how it was back in the day.

    I once fancied the idea of two-tier vote system. The first would be the one man/one vote binding election. The second would be an advisory vote, where you got one vote for every dollar you paid in taxes. A little like a shareholders’ vote.

    It would be very interesting to see how the binding vote tracked against the vote by the people who paid for the government.

    Steverino (69d941)

  95. I want an account of every cent of stimulus spending.

    Every. Cent.

    Obama said that there would be no waste. Either he is a fool or he believes we are fools.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  96. Yhate you write A Tea Party for the President who does the most representation for his administration’s policies? Congrats GOP, you look stupid…AGAIN! I guarantee Obama will win in 2012!

    You seem to not be able to read. the protest is not against Obama or democrats or republicans, it is against big federal government spending. It is the media that is trying to make this republican led, it is not. It is ordianry americans upset eith high spending. They should have protested against Bush and the 6 years of republican spending and the last two of democratic spending, but they did not. Now they are fed up. Bith partries are going crazy. And more spending now does not overcome too much spending before. the current banking crisis started not under Reagan but under Clinton and continued under Bush. they raised the % of risky loans required by Fannie and Freddie. Since they don’t make the loans, other institutions like AIG took on those loans. Actually nothing would have happened except the stock market crash sent the values AIG carried against its loans crashing, throwing off their asset to debt ratio. If they had been allowed to go bankrupt, everything would have been fine, credtors could not have called in loans, a jusge would have ordered an analysis which would have taken time. meanwhile they would have been allowed to write off bad loans, and improved economy in 6 months would have stabalized them. All without our money. Look how a few months of federal money to stabalize has banks has paid off. By the way that is the money that Bush handed out.

    Bruce Peterson (41763e)

  97. Obama said that there would be no waste.

    There won’t be any waste. All the money will go to advancing the glory of The One.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (7bc608)

  98. Obviously, math is not your forte, neither is money.

    Comment by Dave — 4/15/2009 @ 10:55 am

    GOP took majority in 1994 and lost it in 2006. Dems held majority from 1952 to 1994. So to be exact for your satisfaction – 12 of past 57 years were in GOP control. One decade plus two years. The Dems had control for decades, the GOP for one.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  99. To Dr. K

    “No taxation without representation.”

    I remember that one from history class. How about this one: “Put your money where your mouth is”?

    If you’re all so gung-ho for rebellion, shouldn’t you be prepared to sacrifice for it? Seems to me there’s lots of jabberin’ here with nothing to back it up.

    So hit that ‘send’ button or get your heinie to the post office, cause it’s April 15th. Unless you really believe in what you say…

    JEA (53fe4f)

  100. GOP control of the House….
    The GOP lost control of the House in the 1930 Election,
    regained control for 2-year periods in the 1946 & 1952 elections,
    finally wresting control of the House from the Democrats in the 1994 Election,
    only to lose control in the 2006 Election.
    So, in the last 78-years, they have controlled the House of Representatives for a total of sixteen (16) years
    (1946-48, 1952-54, 1994-2006)!
    It ain’t hard, it’s only history; and, you can look it up!

    AD - RtR/OS (0f5ec7)

  101. I was about to respond to “Sam” when it became apparent he was just another troll. They are really out today. Had he deserved a response, I would have directed him here.

    Mike K (8df289)

  102. “Sam, if I make ten times as much money as you, should I have to pay ten times as much money in taxes?”

    – John Hitchcock

    You should pay twenty times as much, provided that you are left with ample funds to live a comfortable and fulfilled life…

    Leviticus (43095b)

  103. You do realize that your party started this bailout program. Stop blaming Obama for what bush did. The largest bailouts were passed while bush was still in office and he signed off on them.

    The “bailouts” were written by, and being implemented by, Democrats.

    “Accountability” is something ignorant people like you only shout at elected Republicans.

    You do realize that these bailouts do not have to be funded, don’t you?

    The Ace (a980e6)

  104. provided that you are left with ample funds to live a comfortable and fulfilled life…

    Comment by Leviticus —

    And let me guess, you, or better yet the government, gets to define “ample” and comfortable, right?

    The Ace (a980e6)

  105. This could’ve been (and still could be) a really cool thread, by the way – where do true fiscal conservatives go from here? As a lefty, I apologize for the hackneyed squawking of my supposed ideological brethren – it’s boring, and (rather paradoxically) distracting.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  106. The next action step is to push to take control of local governments and the associated school boards.

    At the local level the dominating taxes are property taxes used for schools with some going to police and emergency services.

    Once we control the local community taxes and school boards, we let citizens who wish to send their children to religous schools, e.g. Catholic Schools, they receive a tax credit for their property taxes upto $5000/year.

    Doin6 this would give parents the choice of what morals their children learn – socialist morals, or the ones they’re passing on through religous worship. In addition it would weaken teachers unions and the socialists who have usurped parental authority through the school system.

    Next, focus on State legislatures and county legislatures. Any representative who expands the welfare state in any way needs to be turned out of office. Both Republican and Democrat socialists maintain control by using tax money to buy voters who take more from teh system than they give. This does not mean destoy teh safety net, it means don’t let the politicians build a “constituent hammock” on the backs of freedom loving hardworking Americans.

    Once teh local and state governments are controlled and disciplined, we begin rolling back socialism by impeaching judges who use foreign law in decision making, we impeach judges who expand teh welfare state, we impeach judges who let sex predators and hard core murderous felons back on the street, we impeach judges who allow voter fraud to continue by extending voting hours in ACORN controlled voting disticts.

    In parallel, we start demanding that public employee pensions not exceed the pensions earned by private industry. Civil service unions need to be prosecuted when they use union dues for political campaigns.

    In parallle with these items, we elect state proescuters who will prosecute, felony charge, and jail anyone who who cheats on voting. If it’s an organization, use RICO statutes to prosecute organizations like ACORN who routinely falsify voter registrations.

    As these actiona are taken, local, county, and state political establishments are the “farm” teams of higher office. When you discipline the “farm”: teams, you affect change at the national level. If teh farm team respects teh constitution and the taxpayer, then the national leaders will also.

    Virginia Patriot (2130e9)

  107. The reason why the country is in the mess it is in today all started with “Reaganomics”.

    Something you couldn’t possibly prevent the slightest bit of evidence for.

    Further, the average American is enjoying a standard of living far greater than they did 25 years ago. That is a fact.

    The policies put in place over the past 25 years have benefited the rich and the very wealthy a.k.a “corporations”. The money does not “trickle” down

    Really? Then how do you explain the fact that more people own cars and homes than did 25 years ago?

    Don’t worry, you can’t.

    The Republicans are all for lower taxes …… on the very rich who line their pockets

    Proving you have not the foggiest clue who actually pays taxes in this country – hint, it is not the “middle class”

    Further, those in the middle fifth of income earners saw their taxes decrese the most as a percentage of income under the “Bush tax” cuts.

    But don’t worry, you have not the slightest idea what that actually means.

    Carry on in your delusions now.

    The Ace (a980e6)

  108. Back to the title of the post: Tomorrow?

    We keep doing what we are (or should be) doing now:
    Informing our elected representatives how displeased we are with the present course of the governments in this vast land; and, how we desire that they change direction away from the over-weening nannie-state that we perceive that they are imposing upon us.

    There is a national election scheduled for Nov-2010, and many of these pols should feel the wrath of their electorate (personally, I favor replacing all incumbents at this point; either in the primary or general, just get rid of them).
    If the political sector is unresponsive to our wishes, or further corrupts the political process as has been demonstrated to be the fact in the involvement of ACORN and other groups in past elections), then, we – a sovereign people banded together to effect political change in our lives – must use every and all tools at our disposal to remove from government those ideas and people that are oppressing us!

    It is time to Restore the Republic!

    AD - RtR/OS (0f5ec7)

  109. “And let me guess, you, or better yet the government, gets to define “ample” and comfortable, right?”

    – Ace

    “Or better yet the government”? Yeah right – I, and I alone, ought to have full discretionary authority over the income of each and every citizen of the United States… especially yours. Because I’m a liberal, and that’s what liberals want.

    Seriously, though, who do you think’s deciding the standards for living a “comfortable and fulfilled” life as we speak? Who do you think’s deciding the tax brackets? It’s not private citizens…

    Leviticus (43095b)

  110. Leviticus, first, welcome back. Your input has been missed.

    Second, nobody should define which part of my money is enough for me to live on and then take the rest of my money away from me.

    Third, charitable organizations like the Welfare Administration are unconstitutional, as is shown in Congressman Crockett’s words.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  111. You arent paying ten times as much in taxes, maybe in your mind you are. Its a consistent falsehood.

    Comment by Sam —

    You’re right. The average “rich” person pays more than 40 times – that would be more than “ten times” – in taxes what the average middle fifth earner pays.

    Other than that, it is a “falsehood”

    Keep flailing.

    The Ace (a980e6)

  112. […] of the current protest and conservative frustration with out-of-touch Republicans, Patterico wonders about the road ahead: But it needs to be channeled into action, or it won’t do us any good at […]

    GayPatriot » Tea Parties:Channeling Frustration with Ever Bigger Government Into Action (afb062)

  113. who do you think’s deciding the standards for living a “comfortable and fulfilled” life as we speak?

    Um, nobody.

    Who do you think’s deciding the tax brackets?

    Huh?

    You do understand the “tax brackets” have nothing to do with defining what is a “comfortable” life, right?

    Do try and keep up.

    I love watching you leftist impose “logic”

    It is hysterical.

    The Ace (a980e6)

  114. I remember that one from history class. How about this one: “Put your money where your mouth is”?

    If you’re all so gung-ho for rebellion, shouldn’t you be prepared to sacrifice for it? Seems to me there’s lots of jabberin’ here with nothing to back it up.

    So hit that ’send’ button or get your heinie to the post office, cause it’s April 15th. Unless you really believe in what you say…

    Comment by JEA — 4/15/2009 @ 11:03 am

    Spoken like someone who never worked a day in it’s miserable life.

    Especially since you MISquoted me. I distinctly said:

    No Representation without Taxation

    AND meant it that way. Only give INCOME TAX payers the vote. Not the creeps who live to suck productive people dry.

    I FILED weeks ago. And got my REFUND as I had overpaid during the course of the year. I file and pay any balance due on time and in full every year.

    And, to paraphrase, I can be just as patriotic, for HALF the cost.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  115. Because I’m a liberal, and that’s what liberals want.

    Mind you, from the author of:

    You should pay twenty times as much, provided that you are left with ample funds to live a comfortable and fulfilled life…

    Comment by Leviticus

    Don’t worry, you are so incoherent you can’t keep up with our own “logic”

    The Ace (a980e6)

  116. I’ve worked for over 40 years now.

    JEA (53fe4f)

  117. The next action step is to push to take control of local governments and the associated school boards.

    At the local level the dominating taxes are property taxes used for schools with some going to police and emergency services.

    Once we control the local community taxes and school boards, we let citizens who wish to send their children to religous schools, e.g. Catholic Schools, receive a tax credit for their property taxes up to $5000/year.

    Doing this would give parents the choice of what morals their children learn – socialist morals taught in public, government controlled schools, or the morals parents are passing on through religous worship. In addition, control of the schools by responsible taxpayers would weaken teachers unions and the socialists who have usurped parental authority through the school system.

    Next, focus on State Legislatures and county boards. Any representative who expands the welfare state in any way needs to be voted out of office. Both Republican and Democrat socialists maintain control by using tax money to buy voters who take more from the system than they give. This does not mean destoy the safety net, it means don’t let the politicians build a “constituent hammock” on the backs of freedom loving, hardworking, tax-paying Americans.

    Once the local and state governments are controlled and disciplined, we begin rolling back socialism by impeaching judges who use foreign law in decision making, we impeach judges who expand the welfare state by judicial decree, we impeach judges who let sex predators and hard core murderous felons back on the street, we impeach judges who allow voter fraud to continue by extending voting hours in ACORN controlled voting disticts.

    In parallel, we start demanding that public employee pensions not exceed the pensions earned by private industry. Civil service unions need to be prosecuted when they use union dues for political campaigns.

    In parallel with these items, we elect state proescuters who will prosecute, felony charge, and jail anyone who who cheats on voting. If it’s an organization, use RICO statutes to prosecute organizations like ACORN who routinely falsify voter registrations.

    Local, county, and state political establishments are the “farm” teams of higher office. When you discipline the “farm” teams, you affect change at the national level. If the farm team respects the constitution and the taxpayer, then the national leaders will also.

    If not – we toss them until we find teh patriots who respect teh world’s most disadvantaged minority – the individual

    Virginia Patriot (2130e9)

  118. Ace, I agree there are a lot of trolls out today, but Leviticus is not one of them. He can be debated with instead of attacked.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  119. Au Contraire…he’s spouting the same drivel this year as he always has…
    He’s just another civil troll, a mariO with better character, but less life experience.

    AOracle (0f5ec7)

  120. I’ve worked for over 40 years now.

    Comment by JEA — 4/15/2009 @ 11:48 am

    Then you should know better.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  121. Don’t worry, John – “The Ace” and I go way back. I just push his buttons now; he was never interested in what I actually had to say, so I stopped trying to care.

    Leviticus (96c2ef)

  122. This post seems a little late. You wait for the big day to start wondering about what you’re going to do tomorrow? Even today is nothing special, you guys have been holding tea parties for months at this point. Okay, so there are more tea parties today. What’s next? Even more tea parties? Is there a phase two for this master plan?

    If you think you’re special because you’re angry, well, you’re not. People have been angry before, most recently, liberals under George Bush. How it is that you guys think you’re on to something with this pseudo-revolutionary, nationwide group cry I will never understand.

    It’s fun watching you impale yourselves on your own sword though. Keep it up.

    TEH NARRATIVE (863676)

  123. Comment by AOracle — 4/15/2009 @ 11:57 am

    No, he’s airing a different view which is not trolling. If you don’t want to engage him, that’s fine… your loss. Dismissing him as a troll is dishonest and will lead to the echo-chamber that our real trolls always accuse us of having. I don’t agree with him on this, but I respect him because he’s earned it.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  124. The policies put in place over the past 25 years have benefited the rich and the very wealthy a.k.a “corporations”. The money does not “trickle” down

    Fact:

    between 1979 and 2001 the average increase in after-tax income of among the middle fifth of the population, after adjusting for inflation, was $6,300, or 17 percent.

    Now sam, regarding your comments on taxation:

    If you and your spouse have a taxable income of $60,000 a year, you’ve had almost a 24 percent income tax cut since President Bush took office. (And ditto if your income was just $20,000.) Meanwhile, the folks who make $350,000 a year got a cut of only about 12.5 percent; those who make $1 million a year got an even smaller cut.

    Pre-Bush, the $1 million a year couple paid 33 times as much as the $60,000 couple; today they pay more than 38 times as much

    Finally,

    From 1986 to 2004, the total share of the income tax burden paid by the top 1 percent of income earners grew from 25.8 percent to 36.9 percent.

    During the same period, the total share of the tax burden paid by the bottom 50 percent fell from 6.5 percent to 3.3 percent.

    Now come on sam, present some information backing up your claims.

    The Ace (a980e6)

  125. Don’t hold your breath, Ace, facts are foreign to sam.

    SPQR (72771e)

  126. The top tax rate on the upper 1% in the fondly remembered Eisenhower years was 91%. JFK cut it to 75%. Reagan cut it to 35% and used a credit card to fill in the gap. The top 1% are long overdue to start paying their way. End of story.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  127. Ralph Dahm: The Tea Parties are not about the GOP. It is the frustration of the critical thinkers in this country

    Yeah, that’s right, they’re a bunch of freaking economists and metaphysical thinkers on a par with Wittgenstein and Kant these people. Not a greedy, deluded, easily-manipulated, entitled, chickenhawk bone in their sculpted objectivist physiques.

    Snort.

    Giggle.

    ROTFLMAO.

    Oh the Right-Wing internets: The comedy gold just never ends….

    Peter (e70d1c)

  128. Actually, DuckCrap, the top rate under Reagan was cut to 28% under the Bradley (D-NJ) Tax Revision of 1986.

    AD (54daf1)

  129. DCSCA, nope, not end of story. You ignored the facts – and hardly for the first time – that the top 1% is paying more of the tax burden today than ever before.

    But then, ignoring facts, making up stuff, displaying your ignorance, those are your tricks.

    SPQR (72771e)

  130. A couple of thoughts come to mind

    An oxymoron if I ever heard one.

    has just described why nobody takes intellecutal conservatives seriously

    “…and I am edumacated!”

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  131. You cannot expect Dggcrap to know anything about taxes – after all, he spent his prime earning years working at NASA.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  132. As Yogi Berra might put it, “When it comes to ‘another Reagan,’ we are all ‘Spartacus.’

    I came back a little while ago from the Lafayette, Indiana Tea Party and was thoroughly surprised at the turnout–easily 1,000+–which was pretty impressive given the relatively short notice organization of the event and the noontime scheduling on a workday. We even had our very own “black helicopter” circling above and some police dudes watching us in a little bass boat on the Wabash River (the event was held in the center of a bridge).

    As I told a friend who went with me, “We EXPECT leftists to demonstrate against one thing or another. But when conservatives start marching in the streets, then all bets are off.”

    MarkJ (42fe5b)

  133. This post was like flypaper for asshat trolls.

    JD (20b35d)

  134. Our haughty overlords in Big Media will doubtless discount the sentiments behind these demonstrations as Fox News-inspired Astroturfing. That’s a mistake. The anger is out here. It’s palpable.

    Such a tea-se. Funded by conservatives organizations (and stockholders of Lipton and Tetley, most likely) Master Newtie and Misogynist Armie have done little more than add congestion to the parking lots of busy post offices in a few cities angering Americans all the more at desperate silliness of the right.

    But hey, it makes for good television on a slow news day.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  135. The Leftists are out in force today. Is one of them remotely honest?

    JD (20b35d)

  136. See what I mean? Flypaper for people like ASPCA.

    JD (20b35d)

  137. DCSCA, inventing whacky conspiracy theories? How typical of you.

    SPQR (72771e)

  138. Did we ever find out which site the drive-by’s were coming from?

    JD (20b35d)

  139. Tea parties. The Mad Hatter had one, too. But then, Disney was a Republican.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  140. DCSCA, evidently suffering from mercury poisoning yourself.

    SPQR (72771e)

  141. Keep protesting in public but also protest with your money and your feet.

    Concentrate on state and local governments like Virginia Patriot suggests. It’s as good a place as any for a 3rd party to start.

    consider the possibility that Culture War may also be spelled this way: d i v i d e a n d c o n q u e r and perhaps act accordingly.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  142. The top 1% are long overdue to start paying their way. End of story.

    Laugh out loud funny.

    Um, “their way” is already 40 times what you’re currently paying.

    Class envy much?

    The Ace (aaf386)

  143. Reagan cut it to 35% and used a credit card to fill in the gap

    Actually, it was Democratic Congress writing the tax legislation and doing the budgeting.

    But don’t let those pesky facts get in your way.

    The Ace (aaf386)

  144. #143- Yet Reagan didnt veto them and signed the bills. Imagine that.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  145. But hey, it makes for good television on a slow news day

    You can almost hear the furious flapping of wrist as you read that post.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  146. Doggcrapp, run out of Jergens again? Oh, fudge.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  147. Reagan didnt veto them and signed the bills. Imagine that

    Funny how you assign blame to a Republican for tax & spending bills written by Democrats, isn’t it?

    Want to take a stab as to why you’re doing that?

    Funded by conservatives organizations

    Something you couldn’t possibly provide evidence for, and even if you did, then what?

    The Ace (aaf386)

  148. With almost 50% of the population paying no income tax, exactly how much would the Leftist consider a “fair share” to be?

    JD (20b35d)

  149. I’m not as excited by the tea parties as I am by the lefty reaction. The media impaled Palin within a weekend. When the media is focused they always get their man (or woman). But on this one the media was hoping to avoid it so they ignored it as just another inconvenient story. And now they’re playing catch up, as evidenced by some of the hysterical postings farther up the page. The media can still win – they’ve perfected the demonization of those they don’t agree with – but now they’re playing from behind, which means they need to go shrill and incoherent (just witness the fact that no troll can answer the most basic question: if Bush was bad on the deficit doesn’t that make O twice as bad?).

    EBJ (2fd7f7)

  150. “Something you couldn’t possibly provide evidence for, and even if you did, then what?”

    Haw haw haw Yeah! coz The Ace is right no matter what you do man!

    Apparently though, although the idea and organizing for a lot of the tea parties did come from the usual conservative quarters (go dig up the article on HuffPo if you really want to) enough people liked the idea that they came anyway (that one is linked via Wonkette). Even “non-partisan” types who weren’t really interested in slanging the cons or libs but who were interested in saying something.

    See? The Ace man. Watch out.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  151. What the lefties don’t understand is that tax receipts have remained about 19% of GNP for decades, regardless of the current tax rates. That means that under the 91% top rate, considerable effort was made to avoid those rates with tax shelters and other accounting maneuvers. The maneuvers were successful and the point of the Reagan (really Kemp-Roth) rate cuts was to discourage the unproductive accounting effort and return the attention of the high income people to investing. Obama will now return us to the era of low growth and lots of tax shelters and offshore investing. Already, Sarbanes-Oxley has driven almost all IPOs offshore. That was before the financial meltdown which has made it worse.

    Oh, and the tea party day has had its first terrorist incident. I wonder if Obama wet his pants when he was told about it.

    Mike K (8df289)

  152. We are at the mercy of two huge and largely corrupted parties. How could independents win in any signifcant numbers?

    I always say to look to history for guidance, but in this case I’m afraid to.

    Patricia (94c68d)

  153. “Today, Tea Parties. What Tomorrow?”

    Established right wing groups and politicians try to co-opt the energy for their electoral and financial success.

    imdw (d69d05)

  154. “Today, Tea Parties. What Tomorrow?”

    Establishment republican groups and politicians try to co-opt the energy for their electoral and financial success.

    imdw (017d51)

  155. #155-“Today, Tea Parties. What Tomorrow?”

    Why, Tupperware Parties, of course. They’re rallying cry: “Put a lid on it!”

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  156. Indeed, DCSCA… We’ve been telling you that for ages…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  157. I cannot believe all of those right wing idiots spent their time with this silly tea bagging…for Heaven’s sake, give the President a chance…..the GOP got us into the terrible mess we are in over 8 years, do they actually think we can fix their mess in 2 and one half months….put down your pickets and go do something worthwhile..plant a tree or something…don’t you know how stupid you all look?

    jwb (7975ee)

  158. although the idea and organizing for a lot of the tea parties did come from the usual conservative quarters (go dig up the article on HuffPo if you really want to

    Um, a “HuffPo” article is not evidence. Assertions are not facts. You do understand what those terms mean, right?

    Further, what is a “usual conservative quarter”?

    Hells bells, you don’t know.

    The Ace (aaf386)

  159. enough people liked the idea that they came anyway

    Huh?
    So is your “point” that these tea parties “organized” by the “usual conservative quarters” are illegitimate, or what?

    Oh, you don’t have one.

    Nevermind.

    I love watching you leftists in action…

    The Ace (aaf386)

  160. the GOP got us into the terrible mess we are in over 8 years,

    Yet another silly statement you couldn’t possibly provide the slightest bit of evidence for.

    The Ace (aaf386)

  161. #158, I guess the same could be said for the Anti-Iraq movement and the folks protesting GWB’s election (still).

    Jimminy'cricket (637168)

  162. Tupperware: The perfect thing for DuckCrap!

    AD (d34177)

  163. Anyone who thinks we saw regulations relaxed in the past decade needs to look up Sarbanes Oxley.

    h0mi (858261)

  164. True dat. There’s a lot of us out here with passionate, unbridled opposition to the disaster that is the Obama administration . . . but we’re left with seemingly nowhere to go. A disaster? In 90 days? To be sure, there are plenty of places where ‘passionate conservatives’ can be told where to go since being shown to the door on Election Day. Not the least of which, is the way of the dinosaur.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  165. Still blaming Reagan for today’s deficit?

    It would be like the American Indians complaining they are poor because they pissed away the $24 they got for Manhattan.

    Jimminy'cricket (637168)

  166. The reason why the country is in the mess it is in today all started with “Reaganomics”.

    Why not blame Clinton while you are at it?

    Michael Ejercito (7c44bf)

  167. the GOP got us into the terrible mess we are in over 8 years, do they actually think we can fix their mess in 2 and one half months….put down your pickets and go do something worthwhile..plant a tree or something…don’t you know how stupid you all look?

    And increasing spending is supposed to fix a problem caused by increased spending?

    Michael Ejercito (7c44bf)

  168. for Heaven’s sake, give the President a chance

    Yes, just as I’m sure you gave Bush the same courtesy.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  169. jwb, that incoherent Democratic slogan is long obsolete now that Obama has proposed deficit spending that is unprecedented in the history of the world.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  170. the GOP got us into the terrible mess we are in over 8 years

    And then Obama tripled that terrible mess deficit after promising to end the policies that got us into this terrible mess! It’s his economy now.

    As for fiscal conservatives, we need to talk to people and educate them. Use the Tea Party as a lesson in school. Leave copies of The Road to Serfdom around a college campus with a “Steal This Book” sticker on it. Heritage and Claremont need to sponsor public debates on these issues on campuses.

    Socialists own the media and culture, and we need to make our presence felt. The time is ripe. The public may not know exactly why, but they reject the pap the elites feed them.

    Patricia (2183bb)

  171. Eight years…. 100 days…… hm…

    Dana (d08a3a)

  172. > I’m about ready to grab a shovel, drive up to Simi Valley, and start digging. Only, there has to be somebody alive who could do the job.

    I dunno. Zombie Reagan sounds better than most of the clowns in DC now. And brains aren’t very expensive…

    Arthur (3fcc48)

  173. Do you know how expensive a pound of Democrat brains are ?

    An old joke.

    Conservatives go to tea parties and left wingers go troll on right wing sites. Sounds about right.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  174. I haven’t seen such a moronic convergence like the one that occurred here today since a bunch of the liberal elite swarmed Venezuela for one of Hugo Chavez’s thug-o-thons. What created the infestation?

    As Leviticus pointed out, most of them came bearing the same hackneyed, debunked, talking points of years past. The Heathers on the Journolist must have been active today in publishing their marching orders.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  175. #169- Uh, bush was given a great deal of leeway and support until he demonstrated his incompetence on everything from government policy to the Englis language. The road to Purgatory has one rest stop: Texas.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  176. #176- That’s English to the rest of us.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  177. Revisionist history, there, ASPCA.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  178. The trolls are working overtime.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  179. jwb #158

    You are right of course, the rush to declare the Obama administration a failure before it even really gets going is completely absurd and probably about the mid-term elections and sour grapes more than anything else, BUT there are a lot of people who are not as concerned with that as they are concerned that the current crop of pols (from either party) are maxing out ALL the nation’s credit cards for the forseeable future, and all to bail out the people who got us here (well the institutions they worked for anyway).
    It’s a gripe that crosses political and ideological boundaries.

    EdWood (5f5305)

  180. The Ace 159, 160 “huffpo article not in evidence”

    Hmmm. let’s see…..
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/a-teabagger-timeline-koch_b_187312.html

    There it is The Ace!
    But actually who organized the “tea parties” is sort of beside the point isn’t it?

    The point of my post was that the tea parties were attended by pissed off people (the link I found at Wonkette), they weren’t “conservative” events even if organized by “conservatives”.

    Oh yeah but I’m a “leftist” so no comments I make could possibly be valid and even if they were, then what? Right?

    EdWood (5f5305)

  181. Bradley Fikes #151

    Yes indeed. Maybe people will find that more and more they are liking a certain third party that has been there for a while, no need to form a new one.

    EdWood (5f5305)

  182. Liberals project big corporate interests onto conservatives.

    They don’t see this:
    News of the meeting is starting to leak out and people are contacting a number of the on-air people to ask if they’ve been muzzled by GE
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/04162009/gossip/pagesix/cnbc_sweats_obama_bashing_164608.htm

    I have news for you – the liberal media is big business.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  183. Uh, bush was given a great deal of leeway and support until he demonstrated his incompetence on everything

    Hysterical.
    Is that why people like you where shouting that he “stole” the 2000 election in December of 2000?

    Your posts are parody.

    The Ace (a980e6)

  184. There it is The Ace!

    There what “is”?

    Allegations are not fact.

    The Ace (a980e6)

  185. The trolls are working overtime.

    Comment by Mike K — 4/15/2009 @ 9:56 pm

    Yes they are Mike………….. tea bagging for a hypocritical cause in small pools all over the country that is.

    Oiram (983921)

  186. Moiron, you do understand that means that the trolls are giving everyone BJ’s on demand, don’t you?

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  187. http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090416/NEWS01/904160318&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

    5000 people in Bossier City, Louisiana. City population is 56,000 and parrish population is 256,000. Front page for the paper here which backed Obama — not bad.

    voiceofreason2 (590c85)

  188. In the general category of Freudian humor:

    “…until he demonstrated his incompetence on everything from government policy to the Englis language…”

    On the other hand, maybe our friend is speaking Austrian.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  189. #191 So the trolls at the Tea parties are litterally tea bagging?
    Thanks for the insight lil dmac truck, I’ll really stay away from them now.

    Oiram (983921)

  190. Mario – Why do simple political protests worry you folks so much?

    JD (eef042)

  191. #191 Dmac you do realize which trolls I was talking about right? If you were “protesting” at one yesterday, I suggest looking in the mirror.

    Oiram (983921)

  192. Comment by JD — 4/16/2009 @ 10:56 am
    Conflict is so….conflicting.
    Please, make it go away.

    AD (0053b8)

  193. Why do simple political protests worry you folks so much?

    Moiron only worries when the MSM is painted as anything but purely objective.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  194. JD and Dmac, contrary to your possible belief’s about me, I don’t want to live in a Democrat only U.S.A.

    If the Republicans, Conservatives whatever you want to call them/you continue to pander to this form of silly protesting, there is a chance that we will live in a Democrat only U.S.A.

    That worries me.

    Oiram (983921)

  195. Eric Blair,
    I believe that would be schadenFreudian humor. But since Freud was an Australian, who knows. :)

    Oiram makes a good point about pandering to protesters. Just look at how those Democrats held firm at the anti-Iraq War protests. They didn’t even consider nominating someone for Prez unless he promised to have all troops out of Iraq by 2009 pledged hold firm and win in Iraq! God bless those Democrats for showing a spine. I hope that the Republicans hold firm too! We can’t have our politicians responding to public opinion. That would be madness.

    carlitos (df673c)

  196. Wow. I could understand alternative media and blogs saying “Teabagging” but it has made its way into the mainstream press. It’s like Beavis and Butthead are running the DNC press office. Next, “Jack Mehoff” will be a quoted man-on-the-street instead of Greg Packer.

    carlitos (df673c)

  197. #201 It’s like Beavis and Butthead are running the DNC press office.

    Comment by carlitos — 4/16/2009 @ 12:40 pm

    What do you expect carlitos? The original Tea Party protested the largest corporation at the time, The East Indian Company and the tax cuts it received from the British monarchy.

    Are yesterday’s tea trolls protesting this era’s big corporation’s tax cuts? Probably not.

    Can we assume that all of these tea trolls are not going to receive a tax cut under Obama’s plan and make use of it? Probably not, unless they truly were the fortunate 1 percent of our country who’s taxes might go up 9%.

    Beavis and Butthead look like geniuses next to that bunch.

    Oiram (983921)

  198. That’s the British East INDIA Co.

    AD (0053b8)

  199. Bold aggressive ignorance and willful emndoucheousness on proud display …

    The definitions of teabagging at urbandictionary are hysterical. I emailed them to MSNBC and CNN.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  200. Thanks, oiram. I know we should listen to our betters. Sorry we’re bothering you.

    So, why don’t you go lead us into our bright new future? We’ll try to keep the drooling to a minimum.

    Ag80 (8d3a0e)

  201. The sneering at democracy in action by the Obama cultists reveals a lot, does it not?

    SPQR (72771e)

  202. Don’t you wingnut rightwing extremists know that Teh One is going to give tax cuts to 99% of the free world and will slash the evil Bush deficits in half right after quadrupling them and it will all be paid for by closing corporate loopholes and making the idle rich pay their fair share and will result in a net decrease in spending ?!?!?!?!

    JD (6ed8b2)

  203. Comment by JD — 4/16/2009 @ 2:31 pm

    Could you diagram that?

    AD (0053b8)

  204. LOL … freeform Lefty is kind of liberating.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  205. Oiram, you realize that I was commenting on their use of the word “teabag” right?

    Your mischaracterization of the reasons for the original Boston Tea Party is amusing, however. Yeah, the colonists were protesting “tax cuts” for business. Did you read that on some lefty blog, by chance?

    carlitos (56cf62)

  206. carlitos – You know damn good and well that they get to make up history as it goes along, in service of Teh Narrative.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  207. in service of Teh Narrative.

    Given all of this talk of ‘teabagging’ and the new moniker of our very own “Old Gary,” that phrase sounds soooooo dirty.

    I have about 8 comments in moderation.

    carlitos (56cf62)

  208. #203 Thanks Ad

    Oiram (983921)

  209. #210 Yes I do Carlitos, very funny. You do realize I was calling yesterday’s “Tea Baggers” Trolls don’t you?

    Didn’t read it on as “lefty a blog” as your informative righty blog that you got your history from.

    Oiram (983921)

  210. #207 DJ are you still spinning? Wow, that turntable must be worn out by now.

    Oiram (983921)

  211. Oiram, I’ll take that as a yes.

    I get my history from books, just FYI.

    carlitos (56cf62)

  212. Mora gets his history from the following sources:

    Pacifica Radio
    MSNBC
    Jon Stewart
    CNN
    Mother Jones

    Really, what else would one need at that point?

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  213. #216 Me too, but I don’t get my interpretations from “righty blogs” or right wing talking hats like you do.

    Use your brain.

    Oiram (983921)

  214. #217 Nope

    Oiram (983921)

  215. I forgot to add a tinfoil hat, but that’s quite obvious by now.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)

  216. Apparently it learned English and grammar at the same place it learned history.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  217. The trolls have all revealed that they’re here to annoy. Based on that alone their comments should be ignored.

    The left is completely frightened of this country’s history, because it involves open revolution against oppressive, unaccountable bureaucrats – the same type of leadership that they openly support, and their only pathway to power. Without the ability to control others, there is no left wing.

    Think about it – how many lefty commenters here can argue coherently? There is simply nothing of substance to their ideas or ideals. The percentage of snide comments and broad assertions with no supporting evidence is nearly 100. When challenged to produce sources, they invariably link to anonymous posts on left wing blogs or some other fallacious argument. Leftist thought is simply a propaganda laden scam.

    Since history has repeatedly shown Leftist thought to be a dead-end, their need to re-write history through lies and propaganda becomes obsessive.

    Apogee (f4320c)

  218. Apparently it learned English and grammar at the same place it learned history.

    Comment by JD — 4/16/2009 @ 4:03 pm

    Ahh yes the grammar card. Wonderful, the spinner plays it only when he has a crappy hand.

    Oiram (983921)

  219. I would think, after the many accusations by you that people are “stupid” because of what and how they post on this blog…that you might be just a little more cautious.

    But I am delighted to read that you don’t believe that grammar matters much. I hope that extends to how people pronounce words, too. I seem to recall that that mattered very much to you recently.

    I could be wrong, of course.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  220. What am I spinning, idiot?

    JD (6ed8b2)

  221. The latest kerfuffle with an Info-Babe reminds me of an incident that happened here in L.A. during the Rodney King “Rebellion”, and is another reinforcement of how the media has created a very hostile environement for itself.
    An Info-Babe for one of the local channels rolled up to a point adjacent, but some distance off – from a confrontation, and began to set-up for a “stand-up”. As soon as they turned the lights on to begin recording, she and her crew started to take “incoming”. Needless to say, they all piled into the van and split. I don’t know if she’s still in TV, but that was her last day on the air in L.A. (by her choice – I understand when they got back to the station she told the News Director what he could do with her job).

    AD (0053b8)

  222. If the Republicans, Conservatives whatever you want to call them/you continue to pander to this form of silly protesting, there is a chance that we will live in a Democrat only U.S.A.

    That worries me.

    Comment by Oiram

    No, you have no idea what this is about. I have a chart I’d like to show you. Do you understand that chart ? There is no way in the world that this country can pay for those deficits and fund the retirement of the Baby Boomers. Do you understand that ?

    Obama is taking the country in a direction that leads to hyperinflation. This is what Weimar Germany looked like. The left even has its brown shirts.

    There are lots of people who understand history and know some economics and they are nt going to allow this to happen without a fight. You, unfortunately, are not among them.

    Obama’s policies simply will not work. Look at that chart and you will see that his people are cooking their books. The darker red bars are CBO, the Democrat Congressional Budget Office numbers using Obama’s spending plans. It will be far worse because both Obama and CBO use static projections. They think that people will continue to work at the same pace when the rewards are removed.

    It will be far, far worse unless he is stopped. A takeover of one house of Congress in 2010 would stop the foolishness and he could then go on preening and making speeches, which is his talent. He might even get re-elected like Clinton did, courtesy of the economic policies of the 1994 Republican Congress.

    Mike K (8df289)

  223. I saw what I presume were the clips that Andrew’s claim to Gov Perry threatening secession were based on. SHOCKA! At best, Andrew was being disingenuous.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  224. Disingenuousness from a Leftist?
    Surely you jest?

    AD (0053b8)

  225. Yeah, SHOCKA. Even more shocking is that Crissy Mathews devoted 2 full segments to it, and completely bastardized and distorted the actual words. No doubt that Andrew has done/will do the same thing.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  226. Man, with stuff like that you know that it won’t be long before they start to accuse Vet’s of wanting to overthrow the government.

    AD (0053b8)

  227. freedom

    ken (94ea4b)

  228. Man, you leave the gate open, and the next thing you know, some Scot is shouting at you.
    Heh!

    AD (0053b8)

  229. Wonderful, the spinner plays it only when he has a crappy hand

    This is what’s known in the trade as a classic “tell,” where Moiron admits he’s got nothing in his hand and folds/slinks away, tail firmly entrenched between his legs. But don’t worry, he’ll be back tomorrow, conveniently ignoring any and all evidence presented to him.

    Dmac (1ddf7e)


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