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4/8/2009

Pres. Obama’s Wright-Wing View of America

Filed under: General,Obama,Politics,Terrorism,War — Karl @ 8:30 am



[Posted by Karl]

The Wall Street Journal noted in passing one of the more odious passages from Pres. Obama’s “No Nukes” speech:

The President went even further in Prague, noting that “as a nuclear power — as the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon — the United States has a moral responsibility to act.” That barely concealed apology for Hiroshima is an insult to the memory of Harry Truman, who saved a million lives by ending World War II without a bloody invasion of Japan.

A National Review reader calls it “much, much worse than his casual mentions of the treatment of Native Americans and slavery, or calling the U.S. arrogant or blaming everything on Bush.”

However, no one should be surprised at Obama’s take on these issues.  After all, Pres. Obama spent decades under the ministry of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and donated tens of thousands of dollars to that ministry.  Wright raised Hiroshima in “The Audacity of Hope” — the first sermon Obama heard from Wright, and the namesake of Obama’s second autobiography.  In all probability, that was not the only time Obama heard Wright criticize the bombing of Hiroshima.  After all, it is one of the indictments against America Wright rolled out on the Sunday after 9/11.  Indeed, Wright focused on American “terrorism” against Native Americans in the same sermon.

When Obama’s relationship with Wright was on the front burner during the 2008 campaign, Obama’s supporters insisted that there was no evidence that Obama shared Wright’s disdain for America.  Today, Obama travels from nation to nation, espousing his Wright-wing view of the country that elected him, while his supporters remain silent.

–Karl

125 Responses to “Pres. Obama’s Wright-Wing View of America”

  1. “Wright-wing view of this country.”

    I nominate this for political phrase making of the month. Well done, Karl.
    I think Carol Negro over at American Thinker nailed it when she wrote about what all of the apologizing and self immolation means for Europe:

    But Obama’s apologies are carrier-waves for a deeper message that everyone seem to have missed — especially the cheering throngs of European Obamaniacs.

    When they really need us next time, we won’t be there to help. We won’t do a thing without the political permission of the governments of Europe, and the direct participation of their ‘armies’. We’re disarming and weakening our military — for peace — as you all have done. We’re going to spend our money on “social justice” and progressive programs, not our warmongering military.

    We’ll barely be able to defend our own homeland. You’re on your own.

    When Russia expands, when Iran nukes, when North Korea lobs missiles, when China moves…you’re on your own. When Africa implodes…you’re on your own. When Jihadists terrorize…you’re on your own. America the arrogant and unilateral will have mended her ways, and will not presume to police the world and insult you with her unseemly strength and offensive moral certainty.

    Somewhere, the very reverend Wright is cackling maniacally.

    BJTexs (56337a)

  2. This just begs for a denunciation and condemnation. Consider it done, racists.

    JD (8e9826)

  3. That’s not just Wright-wing–it’s far Wright-wing.

    Official Internet Data Office (e823fd)

  4. You conservatives sure do get your rocks off on nuking some minorities.

    JD (8e9826)

  5. Man, you guys are hyper-defensive. Nothing about that was insulting, to any degree, to anybody. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

    TEH NARRATIVE (974759)

  6. I agree with Teh Narrative aka Old Gary.

    JD (8e9826)

  7. Comment by JD — 4/8/2009 @ 9:27 am

    Every time I hear that one phrase, I think of this.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  8. Today, Obama travels from nation to nation, espousing his Wright-wing view of the country that elected him, while his supporters remain silent.

    Well, most of ’em are silent because, since the election, they aren’t even paying attention anymore.

    KB (f11584)

  9. You krazy reich-wingers need to pay more attention to DSCAC and Teh Narrative. They are wise beyond comparison.

    JD (8e9826)

  10. Well, KB, they are still trying to nudge the !hope!change! bus into turning over, desperate to hang on to the heady times when one didn’t have to analyze or think but could just FEEL IT, MAN!

    I saw a black couple checking out at the store last week still wearing their Obama buttons. Teh Hope and change: IT LIVES!

    BJTexs (56337a)

  11. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

    Comment by TEH NARRATIVE

    Fortunately, you are not anyone.

    My daughter, who is now about to be 42, had this brain washing in 6th grade. The teacher held a “war crimes trial” in which Harry Truman was convicted by the 6th graders. This, of course, was public school and I took my kids out of it soon after.

    This is an old canard by those who know no history.

    Mike K (90939b)

  12. President Obama would not mention Hiroshima if it weren’t in a conciliatory manner. It’s his World Tour. It’s his mission right now.

    Bad Outlaw (55dc4a)

  13. George W. Bush already coined a nickname for editorials like this: “Stretch.”

    What little credibility left on the right’s fast fossilizing pulp of WSJ editorial page is, of course, well tainted now that it has been further dumbed down by Rupert the Great. Expect future WSJ editorials to cluck, ‘He’s a closet Nazi, too,” the next time President Obama politely says “Gesundheit” after somebody sneezes. That is, if the ‘newspaper’ is still publishing next year.

    The desperation of the hard right to toss anything up to stick would make a great sitcom. Pace yourself, boys. It’s less than 100 days in and President Obama will give you one or two legitimate openings to assult– and insult– in the years ahead. The hard right is in danger of losing two generations of voters with this continuing comedy of errors. Conservatism has failed to lead and presently quite uncomfortable at following so get out of the way… or get run over and left behind.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  14. “Stretch” was his nickname for David Gregory, moron.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  15. Shorter DCSCA: “Nothing to see here, wingnutz! LOOK! BUNNIES!”

    You might want to check the balance sheets between the WSJ and almost any other major city newspaper there, big boy.

    BJTexs (56337a)

  16. ASPCA – You forgot Rush, Palin, and Newt … you are losing it.

    JD (a58789)

  17. The man has no perspective.

    Amphipolis (fdbc48)

  18. There are small gaffs that Obama has made, that over time and with repetition of similar gaffs, lead me to believe he’s totally unconnected to actual history. It’s like he only read “The People’s History of the US” and never looked at the subject again.

    Some kid recently tried to convince me that the Japanese were in the process of surrendering when we dropped the bomb. Hahaha! Then I walked her through what was really going on, why, precisely, an unconditional surrender was the only way to end that war and why the bombs were dropped. Surprise surprise, she knew nothing about the comfort women, the human experiements, beheading contests or what happened in Nanking. Idiot.

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  19. Vivian, there is an interesting book on the topic called “Operation Downfall” to covers that well, in addition to the massive preparations for a ground invasion of the Japanese home islands.

    SPQR (72771e)

  20. Yeah the Chinese are still slightly pissed about the whole Nanking thingy. It is still all our fault though. I hope Obama apologizes for it soon.

    Mr. Pink (eae12c)

  21. The funny thing about Obama and Wright is that since Obama got inaugurated, he doesn’t seem to be attending church any more.

    What’s that about?

    JayC (20201c)

  22. Vivian Louise, the facts of history don’t matter. It’s pure projection of what progressivists want the world to be…generally projected onto other countries.

    Add to it a lack of history being taught, and the stage is set for the “feelings over facts” crew to be a major force in political thought. I have long noticed that “fair history” seems to be heavily involved in hypercriticism of US actions, and a seemingly studied ignorance of negative things other nations have done.

    Very odd.

    What they don’t get is that “feelings” can run the other way, too. That is the danger that the Left doesn’t see—despite their irrational hatred of people like GW Bush.

    Why, look at the things that President Obama proposes to continue, that were horrific when continued under President Bush. But our friends on the Left like cool and elegant and wellspoken (!) President Obama. They like him so much that they refuse to see any of his faults, and are ironically becoming all the things that they accused the Right of being under GW Bush.

    It’s like something out of a Greek myth.

    Eric Blair (bea5f0)

  23. That Apollo, he sure is clean and articulate. And don’t get me started on Artemis – whoa, the arms on that broad.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  24. Mostly to you limp brained lops on the left as well as our “the one we have been waiting for” President (who was waiting? Stalin.) If the United States is all that you currently believe it to be, please explain Canada. Then try to explain why the only Eurpean land held by this nation is in Normandy. What a sorry sack you are dcsca.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e461c0)

  25. What about Dionysus? Don’t forget him. I think that was Clinton’s idea with North Korea – Albright as a blending of Dionysus and Pan.

    JD (a58789)

  26. Didn’t Teh One already make the oceans quit rising?

    JD (a58789)

  27. The hard right is in danger of losing two generations of voters with this continuing comedy of errors.

    What interests me is the hysteria on the left when their guy won the election ! They have Congress ! They can pass anything they can get all the Democrats to vote for ! Why are they bothering with us poor losers who have no power and are destined for history’s dustbin?

    Could it be that they are having doubts ?

    Over at Washington Monthly, they are obsessed with what Republicans are doing. Naturally we are all stupid and illiterate, unlike their president who is learning to speak Austrian.

    Fortunately, my sense of irony is intact.

    MIke K (90939b)

  28. Sadly, the GOP leadership’s current plans aren’t all that much better than lefty blog comments. The budget with no numbers comes to mind.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  29. I find it odd that conservatives have suddenly lost the ability to recognize the obvious: it’s possible to be a proud American without being proud of every single thing America’s done. For instance, I consider myself a proud American, but I’m not particularly proud of what Yoo enabled people to do in my name. See how that works? Proud to be of this country, disappointed by some of its actions.

    Similarly, I hear people can love their father even after they learn he cheated on their mother. Absurd! Unless you’re trying to score cheap rhetorical points — which is what’s going on in that editorial — this sort of stuff falls into the category of “political gain demolishing common sense.”

    SEK (072055)

  30. Evidently, SEK, you didn’t read the post at all.

    SPQR (72771e)

  31. SEK, When Angela Merkell travels stateside, does she make keynote addresses that reference Nazis? Ditto Sarkozy vis a vis the guillotine. Why / Why not?

    I don’t think that we have to self-flagellate due for our victory in WWII in order to have moral standing on nuclear proliferation. Indeed, I don’t even know whether we have the right stance. As someone somewhere else noted, let’s say that the Saudis want the bomb because Iran has one. What’s worse:

    – They get nukes and balance Iran
    or
    – Iran has regional hegemony over most of the world’s oil

    I’d take the first option myself.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  32. Because, Scott, when you and I and others argue about our country, we highlight things that have been done by individuals that may not be to our liking. Hopefully without projecting the individual’s egregious actions onto out foundational love and, yes, pride for our country.

    However, showing in Europe as a brand new POTUS and making a point to highlight American “arrogance” and it’s “moral responsibility” for dropping those pesky bombs on Japanese cities doesn’t fit my definition because, quite frankly, they ain’t family. We are not nobler by humbling ourselves to the world. Rather we are cloyingly obsequious, which accomplishes less than nothing.

    Not to pick at an old scab but it would be a lot easier to root for the success “my” POTUS if he would be so kind as to root for “my” country when he goes a visiting rather than treating the trip as some kind of psychiatric diplomatic mea culpa.

    BJTexs (56337a)

  33. Good Allah, how many times must I denounce you today ?!?!

    JD (2f33d2)

  34. Just think how much better off we as a nation would be if Duh-1’s lessons in history had come from Boy’s Life,
    rather than The People’s History of the US.

    If, as asscrap has suggested, that two generations of Americans are lost to the Conservative Movement,
    it is only because of the professional malpractice (by design) of the Ed establishment.

    AD - RtR/OS (4f0edf)

  35. It’s stupid when the Dixie Chicks or Johnny Depp do it. It’s reprehensible when the President does it.

    Also, the British papers, now that they are done mocking him for the “Austrian” thing and the NTSC DVD’s, are finding him a bit of a boring windbag. It’s only been one visit.

    “His performance at the first press conference in London with Gordon Brown featured moments in which he sparkled – his riff on loving the Queen was a high-point. But most of the serious answers that I listened to were interminable, windy and not very impressive. At points there were pauses so long that it appeared he had simply lost his train of thought.

    goodness, what a ham. When he really gets going he’s worse than Tony Blair.”

    carlitos (eb5259)

  36. Jim Treacher has been making the funny about our dear President. Borrowing just a few:

    That North Korean missile escaped President Obama’s notice because it didn’t receive a retention bonus.

    ***

    When it comes to deficit spending, Obama burns down your house and reminds you that Bush once lit a match.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  37. When Angela Merkell travels stateside, does she make keynote addresses that reference Nazis? Ditto Sarkozy vis a vis the guillotine.

    What’s the political fallout of acknowledging something everyone knows to be true? Frankly, this line of thought makes no sense to me. I know it’s more comforting to pretend that America, the country, has perpetrated some heinous shit in its past, but it’s not true, and the claim that any action America takes is awesome because America took it leads straight to the hypocrisy factory.

    I’m not calling you a hypocrite, either, just noting that the rhetorical situation set up is one that invariably leads to charges of hypocrisy: you want to be able to criticize Obama’s policies, but I can turn around and say you’re criticizing America and are therefore a bad American who doesn’t love his country.

    That’s what I meant when I called the tactic cheap: by those standards, I don’t have to sweat two thoughts to turn anyone I want into a hypocrite. But I don’t want to do that, and frankly, I think political discourse would be much improved if we called such bullshit by its proper name.

    However, showing in Europe as a brand new POTUS and making a point to highlight American “arrogance” and it’s “moral responsibility” for dropping those pesky bombs on Japanese cities doesn’t fit my definition because, quite frankly, they ain’t family.

    So you don’t think that the country that first built and deployed nuclear weaponry has a moral responsibility to set an example for how they should be built and deployed? If so, I disagree. You’ll note, though, that Obama’s giving voice to the (much-hated on the lefT) theory of American exceptionalism.

    Also, I’m saddened that critics of the the “shown arrogance” remark never make it past that sentence:

    In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

    But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what’s bad.

    Acknowledging that knees jerk on both sides of the pond and saying everyone ought to try to jerk less qualifies as a bargaining position in my book. No matter who you’re negotiating with, it’s a good idea to say “Look, I know I’ve been a little quick with you in the past, but you have to admit, you’ve been a bit quick with me too.” You’re signaling to the other party that you’re willing to meet them half way, and making them feel better about themselves when they do it.

    SEK (072055)

  38. BJTexs, your comment wasn’t up there when I responded — speaking of boring old windbags, guilty as charged — but from what I did write, you can probably guess that I agree. The whole “If you don’t support this current war, the one you disagree with, you’re not a Real American” is a tired old line, and one that’s best retired.

    SEK (072055)

  39. Regarding the Japanese surrender – if we hadn’t dropped two nukes on them in short order, their war council (including Tojo) had no intention of surrendering – they had comprehensive defensive perimeters involving millions of their civilians who were more than prepared to die for their beloved Emp (who agreed with the War Council to initally keep the war ongoing). Only at the last minute did they agree to the surrender, and lucky for them (and us) – because General Curtis Lemay was preparing a fire bombing campaign that would have burned the rest of the country to the ground before our troops went ashore. The nuke’s damages paled next to the bombing campaigns already conducted over Japan, and paled further when compared to the plans we had in store for them. Obama is a literal asshat to ignore the fundamental truth about this action.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  40. #15- yes, BJ. Do check on the decline in the value of News Corp.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  41. #27- The Republican Party is worth saving. Conservatism is not.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  42. #14- Do tell, laddy. I’m delighted you watch NBC News! Great for ratings!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  43. DCSCA: Nice dodge but we weren’t talking about News Corp., were we? Again, compare the financial fortunes of the WSJ to almost any other major city rag.

    No bunnies this time, guy.

    BJTexs (56337a)

  44. Could it be that they are having doubts ?

    That, and the Obamites are afraid of the damage ridicule will do to their clay-footed Messiah. Rush Limbaugh, from whom I now unquestioningly take orders, said ridicule is the Obamites’ weak spot. They can’t stand to have their Dear Leader mocked for his stumbles when TOTUS isn’t working.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (48e6ef)

  45. #42- Dodge? No, I drive a Jeep. WSJ is owned and operated by the financially strapped News Corp. Yes, by all means, sell your guns and gold and do invest in newspapers.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  46. DCSA still responding to it’s own comments – brilliant.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  47. News Corp. financials:

    Total Assets – 50 Billion
    Total Annual Revenues – 33 Billion

    http://www.newscorp.com/investor/index.html

    If this is what the mongoloid calls “financially strapped,” I’d love to hear what a healthy company’s financial statement is supposed to look like.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  48. DMac, I explained the timestamp vs. number thing once, but it really is just a parody anyway, so the numbers kind of add to it.

    News Corp had a tough year, but one of the analysts just upgraded their stock from ‘hold’ to ‘buy’ March 30.

    Brother Bradley, there is a detailed article on the wind-farm thing at newledger.com if you are interested.

    carlitos (eb5259)

  49. #43- The doubts lay squarely on the Conservatism Team. Lousy pitching and batting worse than the 1964 Mets. Palin and Jindal have struck out. Newt swings and misses as Kantor preens on deck. As long as the GOP is coached by a fat, deaf, high school educated drug addict, with several failed marriages and who sits alone, locked in a room, ranting to himself beside a live microphone, it will lose.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  50. #46- If you worked for Exxon, you’d know.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  51. Was that the place where you met Van Braun? Down the hall from your dorm room, yes?

    Dmac (49b16c)

  52. DCSCA is a funny person.

    By the way, does the “SCA” in your moniker stand for “Society for Creative Anachronisms?” If not, too bad. It fits.

    Ag80 (d205da)

  53. It’s terriblr to bait trolls, bt here goes anyways, there was nothing wrong with Rush’s speech, frankly as time goes by, it’s even more moderate in tone, than at first glance, Gov. Jindals and Palin have taken up two rather tough
    jobs, rooting out corruption, keeping a handle on health care expenditures and a regional gas pipeline, the latter spoke out more forcefully about conservative values, the former still has
    a fair amount to say on various subjects. Cantor
    as the minority whip has limited influence, he’s made some bad calls on the TARP and the AIG ex post facto legislation, Ryan seems to have taken up the slack on financial issues. Since our Fearless leader never successfully managed any projects to completion, even those involving the Annenberg fund, my expectations were meager at best,Since the inaugural he has managed to underform those limited ones I had considered.

    narciso (4e0dda)

  54. ASPCA, I can copy/paste, too. Here, I’ll show you.

    As long as the GOP is coached by a fat, deaf, high school educated drug addict, with several failed marriages and who sits alone, locked in a room, ranting to himself beside a live microphone, it will lose.

    As long as the GOP is coached by a fat, deaf, high school educated drug addict, with several failed marriages and who sits alone, locked in a room, ranting to himself beside a live microphone, it will lose.

    As long as the GOP is coached by a fat, deaf, high school educated drug addict, with several failed marriages and who sits alone, locked in a room, ranting to himself beside a live microphone, it will lose.

    See? I can copy/paste the same hateful vitriolic personal attack you continue to copy/paste from your .txt file of nutjob rubbish. I’m just as smart as you, now.

    Oh, wait, I put my copy/paste in block quotes. I guess I haven’t dumbed down enough to be as smart as you, yet.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  55. John, I didn’t know that DCSCA was a consultant to the GOP …

    SPQR (72771e)

  56. Regardless of topic, ASPCA can find a way to bring up Fox, Rush, Palin, and Newt.

    JD (2f33d2)

  57. If you worked for Exxon, you’d know.

    Wait, so you’ve done the following:

    – met Von Braun in your college dorm room;

    – worked on jet propulsion systems at NASA (or was it the memory – form mattress material, can’t remember);

    – worked at Exxon

    – are presently working as a stock analyst

    Can you give us a timeline for these momentous events in your career?

    Dmac (49b16c)

  58. Dmac, the only important timeline is when he moves out from the parents’ basement.

    SPQR (72771e)

  59. this is the supposed ‘uniter’ who calls into question our actions in a war where we were the good guys. we were the good guys. let me say it again, we were the good guys. compare us to hitler, mussolini, the great emperor – come on, use your head.

    this is a man who has gone to great lengths to hide his background – education, college tuition, the fact his mother was loose with her ethics. why? cause there’s nothing up there. yes he can read a speech from a teleprompter well, but other than that – empty.

    he knows no other history than the one where america is what’s wrong with the world. but hey, wasn’t it his uncle who liberated auschwitz? aren’t there 57 states in the union?

    that we’re forced to listen to him is sickening. for those of you who voted for him, you are misguided. to continue listening to him means you’re idiots.

    ktr (5eba07)

  60. #38 I was at a libtard friend’s house when the cruise missiles were landing on Saddam’s palaces. The shock on the lady of the house’s face. First words out were Bush needed to be prosecuted for war crimes forthwith. Ok, Bush is being looked at for war crimes now. Do the assclown Obots intend doing the same for HST for the carnage he wreaked upon Japan, even though it may have saved America a million casualties by not landing troops ashore?
    Anyway I voted for LeMay as vice President. And if Israel should attack Iran, more power to them. Eff the UN, Euroweenies, the Arab street and dipwad dcsca, whose immune system has been compromised by having his head up Obama’s bunghole so long.

    aoibhneas (0c6cfc)

  61. “NASCAR over NASA!!11!1″

    carlitos (f390dc)

  62. I’m tired of hearing that BHO claimed there are 57 states in the nation. BHO never made that claim. I remember what he said. And it wasn’t that the US had 57 states.

    BHO said, during his campaign, that he had been to 57 states and that he had one more state to visit. While the audience laughed, he chuckled with them and explained himself. He wanted to visit Alaska and Hawai’i but his campaign staff wouldn’t let him.

    That’s what he said.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  63. Wait, Obama used drugs and he’s the President of the United States. Limbaugh used drugs but he’s a radio talk show host.

    What is ASPCA whining about, that we elected an admitted criminal President?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  64. “I’m tired of hearing that BHO claimed there are 57 states in the nation.”

    John – Pull up the quotes, he said 57.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  65. #13 DSCA Haw haw, I saw that daily show clip also and it was hysterical, the last bit with the plate too. I’m with John Stewart on this one.

    It’s so easy to do too-
    “Obama said “society” in a speech at the G20 which is a clear indicator that Rev. Wright has brainwashed him into making Bill Ayers the Minister of Youth Service Re-education Camps to make all our kids bow down to FACISTREDPINKOCOMMUNISM!!!!!”

    Some righty hairlines have been definitely taking on a silvery crinkled hue lately.

    Wait…I know, it’s payback for all the Limbaugh parsing that’s been going on lately. Tit for tat right?

    EdWood (c2268a)

  66. Daley, he said he’s been to 57 states. And he counted off 2 states he wasn’t allowed to go, leaving 1 state left for him to visit.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  67. Anyone else wondering how much Axelrod pays his astroturfers? Pretty sweet gig, come to think of it. Alt-C, click, Alt-V, check porn for a while, repeat until 5 pm.

    Hadlowe (fbd42e)

  68. “Daley, he said he’s been to 57 states.”

    John – I thought you were disputing the entire incident, not the state count.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  69. Daley, for shame. Don’t be a librul. 😉

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  70. John, it is easily explained. There is the state of confusion, the state of denial, the…

    Mike K (90939b)

  71. I will give Obama credit for one thing: at least he’s being consistent here. Though some of our more historically ignorant trolls have tried, it’s incredibly difficult to logically compare and contrast World War 2 and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and conclude that World War 2 was more morally prosecuted. While I think both to have been morally prosecuted as well as possible under the circumstances, thinking both were immoral is consistent. Morally challenged, but consistent.

    Civilis (7088ae)

  72. It’s ironic that I am beginning to feel continually insulted by our new president.

    John Bolton sums it up,

    If these are the thoughts rambling around inside the presidential brain that’s guiding our foreign policy — I am very troubled by this. This is not a person who has a basic grounding in not just contemporary history but histoy between the U.S. and Europe over a long period of time.

    Dana (d08a3a)

  73. #53- Sounds better and better every time. And yes, you have my permission to quote me.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  74. #52- By all means, roll out Rush as often as possible. Have Master Newt bat second and Darth Cheney clean up. Keep them in the rotation! Spotlight them as long and as often as possible. The more face time for the 1982 mindset, the better! You can lose a third generation of voters, too!

    I’ll give you Ryan. He is young enough to evolve into a pragmatic moderate.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  75. Since our Fearless leader never successfully managed any projects to completion,

    Hmmm. He was finished school, was elected a United States Senator from Illinois and President of the United States of America. Mark those as incompletes.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  76. “Projects” don’t equate to campaigns.”Projects” are what you actually accomplish once in office, but nevermind all that – what we’re most interested in is the timeline of all of your awesome accomplishments. Come on, don’t be so shy.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  77. #64- It should alarm conservatives that one and perhaps two generations or voters are having their news- and views– clarified by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Without a sense of current events to begin with both shows are meaningless.

    Of course Fox News tried a similar schtick and misfired miserably. Limbaugh failed 20 years ago and Ailes wisely yanked him off the tube into the safetly of a radio studio where he only interacted with himself and not the audience.

    Little wonder conservatives have no sense of humor as they never see anything to laugh at… but themselves. And that can be uncomfortable. Even Nixon, a man who’d go beachcombing wearing his wingtips, was wise enough to accept the advice of aides and appear on ‘Laugh-In’ for a ‘Sock-It-To-Me’ moment. Of course, conservatives were watching Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. and ‘The F.B.I.’ and missed it. Too bad.

    If only Cheney had shown up at an undisclosed location for a briefing dressed as Vader a few times.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  78. No surprise that DCSCA equates the vandalism of the Left as Rush’s “failure”.

    Someone’s pharmacy really needs to work out a more reliable wholesaler.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  79. Timeline. Dates worked. Schools attended. Let’s have it, all of it.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  80. “[Obama] was[sic] finished school, was elected a United States Senator from Illinois and President of the United States of America.

    All that and he still does not know that there is no language called “Austrian”….

    SPQR (26be8b)

  81. It should alarm DCSCA that voters are having their sources of information filtered through any ideological prism; next time the prism might be in someone else’s hands…

    Of course, when one’s worldview equates “the popular choice of action” with “the best choice of action”, one should not be surprised when the best propagandists beat out the people with the best plans.

    Civilis (7088ae)

  82. #80- Well, there you have it. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  83. Why so shy about the dates, sweetheart? Is there something wrong that we should be aware of?

    Dmac (49b16c)

  84. I have to wonder if they will manage the “free” press as responsibly as they managed our economy. The prospect frightens me. I think the founders had a better idea.

    Machinist (c5fc28)

  85. Free markets and a free press have worked very well, while state controlled press and economies are always abused and destroyed. But there’s that damned history again.

    Machinist (c5fc28)

  86. Obama speaks of America as a foreigner woould.

    davod (bce08f)

  87. Do you think Obama speaks of America as a foreigner would because he’s not a natural born citizen of the United States?

    Official Internet Data Office (47bf25)

  88. OIDO, BHO indeed speaks as a foreigner when talking about US. He doesn’t know US history or US geography. And he thinks all the evil in the world is found in the US.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  89. Thank you for admitting your totalitarian anti-1st Amendment mindset, ASPCA.

    JD (f6e132)

  90. On the subject of the atomic bombs I believe the projections at the time were that an invasion would cost over 600,000 American lives and 1,500,000 to 2,000,000 Japanese lives. I don’t think that included the results from the strategic bombing as mentioned. The idea that the Japanese were ready to surrender is silly. The Emperor was not legally permitted to express a position unless invited to do so by a member of the Council to break a tie vote. After the first bomb on 6 August the Council still voted to continue fighting. It was not until after the second bomb on the ninth that the doves could counter the hawks. Even then it was only a tie but this allowed one of the doves to invite a decision by the Emperor and he chose surrender. These were the only two bombs we had and they barely had the desired effect. The idea they would have surrendered is unsupported by their actions. They were forming civilian militias and arming them with bamboo pikes and ordering them to fight to the death. This was from accounts by the Japanese leaders themselves.

    Machinist (c5fc28)

  91. Obama’s supporters insisted that there was no evidence that Obama shared Wright’s disdain for America.

    That’s about as laughable as someone from the current White House administration saying their boss didn’t do a bow before the King of Saudi Arabia. A bow, incidentally, that was so clear-cut and obvious one might have thought Obama was trying to do to the king what Monica did to Bill.

    I find it odd that conservatives have suddenly lost the ability to recognize the obvious: it’s possible to be a proud American without being proud of every single thing America’s done.

    By contrast, ass-backwards liberals in America turn that concept on its head by, for example, kissing up to anti-US foreign regimes along the lines of the one managed by Fidel Castro. By getting gushy and sentimental over ultra-leftist dictatorships merely because they provide their people with…free healthcare, free education!!

    Mark (411533)

  92. ASPCA – Please stick with the Obama and Rush comparisons, I think those are winners. You have a drug using Democrat elected President who as the leader of the party who is the least qualified to ever hold the office. Your big comparison is a radio talk show host who is not running for anything and holds no party position. I think you are on to something there. Please keep going.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  93. “I find it odd that conservatives have suddenly lost the ability to recognize the obvious: it’s possible to be a proud American without being proud of every single thing America’s done.”

    I can agree with that, but it’s pretty stupid to go around apologizing for things that America or your predecessor did when you’re only going to be in office for four years and the next guy is going to change policy once again. With his approach, Obama is illustrating his narcissistic personality in that he views his as the only correct vision of America so that all others before and after must be repudiated, even though his term in office will be limited. How could anyone disagree. Hell, he’s already given away half his bargaining positions by apologizing and promising new cooperation.

    What a maroon.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  94. Correction – I can agree with the latter part of that, not the first part. I thought I deleted the first part.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  95. I also feel insulted, Dana, and I think he means us to feel this way. His whole campaign was…is based on the notion that he must be elected to save everyone from America and Americans. I liked one of Hotair’s headlines during the campaign: Does He Even Like Us?

    He has insulted a pop singer and mocked the Special Olympics, as well as the more familiar insults at Bush, now Truman, and the entirety of American forebears. It may seem trivial but it indicates a mindset and a dearth of experience with that other America he talks about, berates, but has never experienced. A certain segment of society thinks Wright’s excesses are understandable–these people elected Obama. His badmouthing of America will make or break that view as being acceptable.

    Patricia (2183bb)

  96. DCSCA expects that the government will use the government-run fairness doctrine to serve as a counterbalance against propagandists running the government? The Fairness Doctrine was nothing more than a government tool to silence dissent.

    Civilis (04de52)

  97. and people wonder why i go around saying “he’s not my president”.

    is it 2013 yet?

    redc1c4 (9c4f4a)

  98. #95- My. No dissent until the Fairness Doctrine was lifted? I guess you missed all of Lindy’s America First Rallies, most of Father Coughlin’s broadcasts, the HUAC hearings and just about all of the 1960s. And, of course, any Friday night in a Pittsburgh bar arguing with a steel worker over a boilermaker.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  99. #96- Doubtful. Start yelling at clouds, though, and you may be the next senator from the state of Arizona.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  100. DCSCA said:

    #95- My. No dissent until the Fairness Doctrine was lifted? I guess you missed all of Lindy’s America First Rallies, most of Father Coughlin’s broadcasts, the HUAC hearings and just about all of the 1960s. And, of course, any Friday night in a Pittsburgh bar arguing with a steel worker over a boilermaker.

    Good times, the ’50s and ’60s. And, gosh, we all still have those same attitudes, although I doubt very many people here actually lived, as adults, during that time.

    You don’t know anything, you little squirt, but you think you do. Good luck with that as you grow up.

    Ag80 (d205da)

  101. Oh, I forgot: “Get off my lawn.”

    Ag80 (d205da)

  102. #99- I’m so glad you wax wistfully for the ‘good times’ when what was good for GM was good for the nation; of Amos ‘N Andy; Leave It To Beaver and Bilko; of transistor radios made in Japan, the Edsel, the Red Scare, the Belin Air Lift; the Berlin Wall; carbon paper, potato chips in waxpaper bags; Tom Dewey, Jackie Robinson; 91% tax rates on the top 1% (Ike) and 75% tax rates on the top 1% (JFK); denial of voting rights and segregation, whites only restaurants, water fountains and washrooms; Sputnik, Telstar; the Cuban Missile Crisis (mention that to Dana Perino); the Vietnam War, the weekly body counts; the assassinations, race riots and Super Bowl I.

    Yep, life was grand in Mayberry then. Most miss those Lombardi Packers, too.

    Now grow old gracefully like a good SS recipient.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  103. #100- Touche! Or is it just touchy.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  104. DCSCA = Levi without the charm!

    AD - RtR/OS (4f0edf)

  105. #99- Oh yes, the Korean thing, too. But then, it’s the forgotten war, isnt it.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  106. Out of that list, DCSCA, nearly all the bad stuff is all due to the actions of lefties. It was not because of conservatives that tax rates were confiscatory. It was not because of conservatives that the Cold War was necessary (c’mon, DCSCA, tell us how we were the aggressors…). Conservatives didn’t start the Vietnam War, etc.

    You come closer when you talk about segregation and race riots, but the truth there is more complicated than that as well…for instance, “race riots,” like virtually all the riots of that period, were encouraged and fomented by leftist organizations, including the SDS and other Comintern front groups.

    Trust me, when conservatives look back on the good ol’ days, they do not have in mind your successes.

    danebramage (700c93)

  107. DCSCA’s got the standard progressive playbook… change the subject (Obama’s remarks), never respond with anything substantive, and deliberately misinterpret comments that cast you in a bad light. Just because the government can use the Fairness Doctrine to silence dissent, doesn’t mean that it silences all dissent. If he had half a brain, he’d figure it out… but then again, this is DCSCA, so the likelyhood of him having half a brain is rather small.

    Civilis (7d29a8)

  108. Now he is lying about bowing. Why? I do not know.

    Mr. Pink (eae12c)

  109. DCSCA, a raving Walter Mitty troll?

    Did thor land over here?

    Techie (9c008e)

  110. In another thread, DCSCA claimed to be at a meeting where “the board and the CIA” decided to have a guy whacked. So he’s a murdering fantacist as well.

    carlitos (caf3d2)

  111. You mean, Thor, ‘tard of Thunder? Still remember that guy from the old days – hilarious.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  112. The Wright-Wing view of history is so wrong. My father-in-law is a US Marine veteran, 3rd Division. He was in Nagasaki days after the bomb was dropped. Dropping the bomb won the war and saved lives, including the life of my father-in-law. He helped clear the beaches he would have had to invade had the Japanese not surrendered. It would have been a slaughter.

    tyree (85acc9)

  113. Dmac, please tell that story. I don’t know it.

    Eric Blair (bea5f0)

  114. Departing LAT columnist Rosa Brooks holds out the tin can for the media.

    And guess where she’s departing to? Get the barf bag ready:

    This will be my last column for the L.A. Times. After four years, I’ll soon be starting a stint at the Pentagon as an advisor to the undersecretary of Defense for policy. . .

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  115. Holy crap, people are still bringing up the 57 states thing? Ammunition shortage indeed…

    TEH NARRATIVE (863676)

  116. TEH NARRATIVE, given how often people brought up the same silly verbal gaffes of George W. Bush’s, your whine is almost funny.

    Almost.

    SPQR (72771e)

  117. I would agree with the sentiment (“as the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon — the United States has a moral responsibility to act”) — we have a moral responsibility to act to prevent nuclear war because we used the bomb, invented the bomb, and have a lot of bombs (2nd to Russia, I believe).

    You don’t have to believe that Truman did wrong to feel this way. (I believe that Truman made the right decision.)

    But I say I “would agree” because I don’t actually believe that global nuclear disarmament is something to strive for, now at least, because Iran and North Korea etc., aren’t going to join in, singing Kumbaya just because other nations are junking their nukes. When nukes are outlawed, only outlaw nations will have nukes!

    DWPittelli (2de73b)

  118. #105- Indeed, no doubt they swoon for the days of the John Birchers. Or Goldwater. Yes, you’re ‘the bright youg men, who want to go back to 1910, you’re Barry’s Boys.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  119. Dmac, please tell that story. I don’t know it.

    Eric, if you’re still reading this thread, he was (and perhaps still is) a regular commenter over at Protein Wisdom. He actually could be funny and articulate at times, even though relentlessly BDS and always with the top – down talking points. So naturally, the other commenters had great fun with his given blog name, and the favor was returned in kind. It was a far different place then what you see over there at present.

    Dmac (49b16c)

  120. “than”

    Dmac (49b16c)

  121. Dmac:thor continues to crap all over PW and has gotten progressively less coherent and more scatalogically personal. Hew gets banned or asks to leave but tunnels IP addresses. He has quite the obsession and he’s really not funny anymore.

    BJTexs (56337a)

  122. Nice to see BJTexs here. I don’t visit PW all that often, so it’s sad to hear about thor. I seem to recall someone assuring me that thor was going to be the subject of a social experiment that would straighten it all out. But I guess that didn’t happen.

    Karl (ea222a)

  123. Of course, I remember the days when it was crucial that thor not be banned.

    Karl (ea222a)

  124. Nice to see you, Karl. Jeff’s got a problem with him in that he just won’t stay away and he has some skill with shifting IP addresses. He now gets “trollhammered” on a regular basis by the guys who have Firefox, including me.

    As to the other thing, let’s not revisit past unpleasantness.

    BJTexs (56337a)

  125. Most people who use the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombing for propaganda purposes ignore the history that led up to it or don’t even know it– as some commenters have stated. In Mark Bowden’s book about the Iranian hostge crisis (“Guests of the Ayatollah”) an Iranian interrogator is badgering an American hostage about U.S. “war crimes” using this tool. The hostage says, “Yeah, Japan started it–we finished it.” After a long, deer-in-the-headlights stare the interrogator aks incredulously, “Japan attacked the U.S.?????” When Liberals whine about the world not “liking” us, maybe they ought to look into just what sort of information most of the world is presented with.

    LLGrill (45bfb0)


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