Obama: The Impotent President?
Tom Maguire on AIG bonuses: “Obama is heading in an odd direction with his pose as the angry yet impotent President.”
UPDATE: Maybe this is the explanation. Obama doesn’t see the banks and AIG as entities he has any control over, but rather as something akin to . . . suicide bombers:
“Here’s the problem,” Mr. Obama said, “It’s almost like they’ve got — they’ve got a bomb strapped to them and they’ve got their hand on the trigger. You don’t want them to blow up. But you’ve got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger.”
I don’t even know where to start with that. As you read that statement, and pull out large tufts of hair, which bothers you more? The comparison of banks and AIG to suicide bombers? Or the notion that the way to deal with a suicide bomber is to talk to him and ease his finger off the trigger?
Maguire has been doing great work on this situation. I highly recommend reading a number of his threads for a better understanding of what went on at AIG.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:55 amWe all thought that once this guy found himself without his trusty teleprompter, look out – but this was truly a horrendous performance of extemporaneous speaking. If this is a clue into his true mindset, then I’m worried beyond belief – shades of Chauncey the Gardener.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:07 amIn the short term, it’s certainly troubling that he sees people in the financial markets (including those in the profitable divisions of AIG, which we now own) as out to destroy America. Then again, we sorta knew he wasn’t the biggest fan of capitalism from the outset. Unfortunately, it’s his mindset on terrorism that may be more troubling in the long run, as the Executive has more power and responsibility when it comes to national security, foreign policy, etc. Congress is trying to slow down Obama’s left-wing agenda at home; it’s tougher to stop abroad.
Karl (8966b4) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:15 amAs you read that statement, and pull out large tufts of hair, which bothers you more? The comparison of banks and AIG to suicide bombers that we can’t do anything about? Or the notion that the way to deal with a suicide bomber is to talk to him and ease his finger off the trigger?
“Gee, I don’t know, Julie. There’s so many things that bother me about this, I don’t know where to start.”
no one you know (65b7aa) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:21 am–Dianne Wiest, dealing – significantly – with a very immature, petulant, lying adolescent in Parenthood
Dmac, your comparison has struck many folk. I here by rename the Won as “Our Chauncey.” The only trouble is that in “Being There” the movie audience was in on the joke from the beginning, in this case, only the conservatives have been in on the joke with the MSM and the public slowly waking up to the joke. I’m not sure that the public will catch on soon enough however and “Our Chauncey” can do an awful lot of damage in the meantime
GM Roper (85dcd7) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:23 amGee, I always thought the way to deal with a suicide bomber was to put a 9 mm round into his forehead…
But I guess that’s just me…
GuyfromNH (b446e1) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:26 am“Being There” is my favorite movie, and it saddens me to have Chance, the gardener, being used as a comparison with Obama. Sure, I see the loose parallel, but Chance, the gardener, had no motive to control others with his “wisdom,” and had no appearance of an inflated sense of self-importance.
cboldt (3d73dd) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:31 am#6 – Well, if you want to get close enough for the 9MM to the forehead, have at it.
Me, I prefer a .223 from 50-100 meters.
headhunt23 (9e1243) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:40 amA confidential source informs me that Michelle read Tom Maguire’s article and ordered tuxedos, morning coats, and top hats for Obama to wear everyday. According to our source, she said, “If my husband is going to be impotent, he has to look impotent”.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:45 amOur President is a highly educated lunatic with the moral compass of a flea.
Jimminy'cricket (637168) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:47 amWhat do you really expect from a man as steeped in radicalism and marxism as Obama?
He has zero understanding of capitalism; other than whatever insights his work with Bill Ayers provided him.
Steve (1f4baf) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:53 amMartin Sheen, in his role as President Josiah Bartlet or even in real life as the actor Martin Sheen, would be a more competent president than Obama.
Official Internet Data Office (572971) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:53 amWill the world blame us for Obama as much as we have blamed other peoples for their leadership choices?
Jimminy'cricket (637168) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:58 amImpotent? He’s omnimpotent.
Dan Collins (4dc2da) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:59 amRemembering what Chance did at the end of the movie, I doubt very much our version will be able to walk across that pond. (But his supporters will insist he can do it.)
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:02 amNot if he is using a “dead man switch”. Which makes Jughead’s statement:
Even dumber. If that was possible. Because “easing the finger off the trigger” would set off the bomb.
Dr. K (f196bc) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:06 amWhat’s funny of course, is while you idiots actually debate whether or no the republican party needs to think about policy, democrats just debate policy.
Read TPM and for all the BS they’re asking the same questions you are. Axelrod is “tone deaf” Geithner and Summers are in the tank.
And on and on.
It’s a vast left wing conspiracy defending incompetence?
If only you idiots had worried about policy these last 8 years and didn’t waste all of our time defending the Bush administration, no matter how incompetent, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
In other news
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/19/israeli-troops-gaza-shootings-civilians
“Striking testimony has emerged from Israeli soldiers involved in the Gaza war in which they describe shooting unarmed civilians, sometimes under orders from their officers.
One soldier described how an Israeli sniper shot dead a Palestinian mother and her two children, adding that fellow troops believed the lives of Palestinians were “very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers”.
The testimony, published in the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz today, gives a rare insight into how Israeli soldiers fought the war on the ground; reinforces Palestinian accounts of disproportionate Israeli force; and sharply contradicts the Israeli military’s official version of events.”
And more
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/03/some_truths_abo/
You don’t pay attention.
joker (560f03) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:07 amYou don’t want responsibility you want the moral superiority of someone who never fails because he never tries. You defend the failures of your heroes and you mock those of your enemies.
And yet another Troll is heard from, replete with the usual attempt at distraction “Hey, look over there! Nasty Joooo soldiers! Eeek!” Wonder if it will stick around to defend it’s threadjacking inanity?
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:12 amThank you, Chas Freeman!
AD - RtR/OS (0aa9c4) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:13 amJoker,
WTF does your rant have to do with our President’s insane approach to-date and his corrupt frems?
Jimminy'cricket (637168) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:15 amJoker, can you do more than type? For instance. Show where that charge is anywhere near true. If you believe the statement you made about the Israeli soldier, I have some property forsale in FLA at a good price for you. There are no Jooz there on this property. And it comes with carbon credits you can sell.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e461c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:16 amComment by joker — 3/19/2009 @ 8:07 am
I don’t have a clue as to what you’re talking about.
Gerald A (138c50) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:18 amI don’t mind the libtards but noR lauP’s crypto-Nazis really creep me out.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:18 am“Private” joker,
Obama reportedly adores Abraham Lincoln, so I’d suggest you also take some sage advice attributed to “Honest Abe”:
“It is better to remain silent and think yourself a fool…than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
MarkJ (42fe5b) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:19 amIsn’t it racist to say “suicide bomber”? I thought they were all social justice activists or something.
The One is decompensating in front of our eyes. Lord help us.
Patricia (2183bb) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:19 amJimmy Carter is that you?
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:22 amSpeaking of his lack of a telepromter…The Telepromter, aka TOTUS has a new website and blog. It’s posted on DrudgeReport right now. A true hoot.
Mike Harlin (68cbee) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:23 amRegarding the suicide bombers comment, perhaps Obama should start keeping his talking points on his Blackberry as a sort of out and about teleprompter, so as not to sound like an idiot.
Imagine if it had been Bush who said that.
William Teach (2d1bed) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:23 amI think they should be called “Community disorganizers”
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:24 amVery Good, Steverino – Very Good!
AD - RtR/OS (0aa9c4) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:44 amJoker – Truth? You can’t handle the truth!
You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall!
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:47 amOur esteemed host asked:
Yes.
The very worried Dana (3e4784) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:47 amIs it possible that Barack Obama will have us longing for the days of Jimmy Carter?
The Dana who remembers the seventies. (3e4784) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:50 amI think Jimmy Carter is posting here under the name Joker.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:53 amIt’s not all bad. He is easing the anxiety of Hamas, Hezbollah, and al Qaeda… moral’s up and their future is suddenly looking bright again.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:58 am“The comparison of banks and AIG to suicide bombers?”
Yeah. Give us the money or we’ll blow up the economy.
It’s simple kid. Simple blackmail. And Obama is being a pussy.
So are you in favor of taxing the bastards?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/03/no_ideas_no_plan_no_nothing.php
Do you have a proposal!!!?
Here’s China’s stimulus package
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/business/worldbusiness/17compete.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=china%20stimulus&st=cse
Look at the future.
“GUANGZHOU, China — The global economic downturn, and efforts to reverse it, will probably make China an even stronger economic competitor than it was before the crisis.
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Reuters
Workers at job fair in Changzhi on Sunday. China is providing subsidies for large-scale vocational training programs.
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Times Topics: Credit Crisis — The Essentials
China, the world’s third-largest economy behind the United States and Japan, had already become more assertive; now it is exploiting its unusual position as a country with piles of cash and a strong banking system, at a time when many countries have neither, to acquire natural resources and make new friends.
Last week, China’s prime minister, Wen Jiabao, even reminded Washington that as one of the United States’ biggest creditors, China expects Washington to safeguard its investment.
China’s leaders are turning economic crisis to competitive advantage, said economic analysts.
The country is using its nearly $600 billion economic stimulus package to make its companies better able to compete in markets at home and abroad, to retrain migrant workers on an immense scale and to rapidly expand subsidies for research and development.
Construction has already begun on new highways and rail lines that are likely to permanently reduce transportation costs.
And while American leaders struggle to revive lending — in the latest effort with a $15 billion program to help small businesses — Chinese banks lent more in the last three months than in the preceding 12 months.”
And what do we get from you?
No ideas at all from angry Idiots.
“Joker, can you do more than type? For instance. Show where that charge is anywhere near true. If you believe the statement you made about the Israeli soldier,”
joker (e8c8f2) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:00 amIt was a statement BY AN ISRAELI SOLDIER.
I think you are being too hard on Zero. After all, until 6 weeks ago, his only connection with banks and stuff like that was cashing his paycheck. He probably even had that direct deposited.
Now, if only Tony Rezko were available, he would straighten this out.
Mike K (2cf494) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:05 amJoker do you realize that Obama is either stupid, or the biggest hypocrite alive, by going TV and ranting against AIG bonuses when his own stimulus he signed gaurenteed them? No you don’t cause you are too busy cutting and pasting from wacko websites. Go cut and paste some from some truther sites because at least that will be entertaining.
Mr. Pink (eae12c) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:06 amWhat bothers me the most about it is that Bush and Cheney were criticized for such “fear mongering” when faced with actual threats of bombers. This tool is using this language regarding bailouts of companies!
The amateur hour continues and the little boy without his teleprompter shows his inexperience.
jsjbad (026afd) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:07 amNo, I’m not. Not because I think AIG execs deserve the money, or because I think the bonuses are proper. But I am scared to death of the precedent set by targeting a small group of citizens with an absolutely confiscatory tax just because they’re unpopular. The fact that you aren’t is worrisome.
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:07 amJoker – Where are your links to interviews with Hamas members who launch rockets at Israeli civilians or those training to become suicide bombers of civilian targets? Let’s get some balance here.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:15 amJoker has to be a joke. It is spamming every thread with the same BS. It does not care that the Dems wrote the provisions in re. bonuses in, on purpose, and he accuses Republicans of faux populism on this, breath-taking in its unintentional irony.
Suicide bombers is racist. According to Napolitano, they are man-caused events.
JD (bd9896) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:15 amThe concept of a Bill of Attainder is completely foreign to them, just like large portions of the Constitution.
JD (bd9896) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:16 amImpotence may be the greatest danger of all. But where are the conservative leaders exposing the daily inanity and bad faith in all this (in fact I don’t think “bad” faith is a correct term anymore. I would call it “evil faith”).
rrpjr (001fcc) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:29 amSorry, guys. Getting taxed, by a law passed after you have acquired the thing you are being taxed on, is not a bill of attainder. It’s not ex post facto either.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:36 amAnd wadda? It’s your money, from the tax you paid for working like the idiots you are, that’s paying these kleptoctacrats’ bonuses, you morons!
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:39 amI agree, nk. I just bristle at the thought that Congress blew it on the bonuses from the get-go, and now wants to impose a 100% tax on people to cover its own mistake. If it can do it to AIG execs, it can do it to some other group in public disfavor.
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 9:56 amJD, Steverino, I’m with you guys.
Allowing the Congress to use the Tax Code to punish a group of individuals is scary and unwise (although, I admit, strangely appealing in this case). We are inviting the devil into our house, metaphorically speaking.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 10:18 am[…] Continued here: Patterico’s Pontifications » Obama: The Impotent President? […]
Patterico’s Pontifications » Obama: The Impotent President? : PlanetTalk.net - Learn the truth , no more lies (76a655) — 3/19/2009 @ 10:26 amnk – As I am obviously not a lawyer, I will accept your assessment of same. However, that does not make the idea any less repugnant. What is to keep them from doing that, arbitrarily, to any group who falls in the disfavor of the Dems?
JD (bd9896) — 3/19/2009 @ 10:33 amDeer Joker, write on.Them bushes wanting people too own there own homes caused this mess.Fredie nad fannie were all with the strugglee untile cheney got jealous and sold them morgages as derivates to aig and the boys. As for the JOOS-you know them to be greedy and hurt the real peeps.Your brother in arms-ARNE DUNCAN,Secretary of Education
mike191 (b281fb) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:01 amGod,what the heck have we gotten ourselves into with this guy.I feel like by leaving comments here and there that one day his “people”will come get me one day.I am not paranoid either.I can see this left wing facism taking hold.These people make Bush Chaney look like Mary Poppins.
josh (e8c5f0) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:01 amWhat? The tax code has been punishing groups of individuals and businesses from the moment of conception. That is the core trait of taxes. You make it, I take it. A little goes to the ‘common good’ which is what I say it is, a little for me, and if you vote for me I’ll see what I can do about [insert your need here]. At least in this nation and a few others, that vote still has a little say. But getting smaller though, as the political class grows in strength and audacity bolstered by their handmaidens, the legal class.
It always starts out a litty bitty punishment, like a single brick added to the wheelbarrow. You get used to that weight, then another goes on. You get used to that weight. Pretty soon all those bricks adds up to real punishment, to steal a phrase. Then you start reading articles about John Galled.
allan (a07eba) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:14 amAnd that was the pre-approved stuff spewing out of a working teleprompter ?
Obama is nutters.
Vermont Neighbor (229b93) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:21 amThe Republicans are now all apoplectic about the current Democratic congress and administration “allowing” AIG executives to receive contractually-obligated “bonuses,” admitting that this was a mistake, and trying to correct it. Let’s put this in perspective. Bush and his cronies added $5.1 trillion to the U.S. debt, or $1.75 billion per day for eight years. AIG executives received $175 million in unearned bonuses. This is equivalent to 2 hours 24 minutes (0.1 day) of Bush’s deficit increase. Where were the whiny Republicans when Bush was going crazy with our money? Where were the whiny Republicans when people who actually do the work were forced to give back wages and benefits far in excess of $175 million? These same Republicans are constantly whining about entitlements such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, but have no problem handing out huge bonuses, “commissions,” birthday presents, or how ever they want to characterize entitlements for the wealthy. Republicans new motto – Hypocrites ‘R Us.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:21 amDavid R – Did you intentionally miss the point? Where is that copied and pasted from?
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:24 amJD. That is the point and it’s all mine.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:25 amThen you are denser than I gave you credit for.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:30 amSo basically, David didn’t read the post and is trying the “Hey! Look over there!” response.
Not like that is a new one on us, eh?
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:31 amDavid, you need to go to some new seminars. That stuff is pretty lame.
MIke K (8df289) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:33 amDon’t worry, Mr. President. At least you can take some time off and enjoy March Madness and Jay Leno.
Fernando Camilo (2fe23d) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:36 amLame. That’s a good one. I read some of the brilliant posts by JD, et al. Now that’s some entertaining stuff. I guess if you boil all of those comments down (and it won’t take much boiling because there wasn’t much there), you can only come to the conclusion (or is delusion) that “It’s All Obama’s Fault.”
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:41 amSPQR – I am guessing that your “Hey! Look over there!” comment is not a new one and that you have used it dozens of times. Pretty sad for a comment that was marginally funny the first time.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:43 amDavid R. I wasn’t going for humor. Now that you’ve indicated that as your goal, your comment makes more sense. Its no funnier, but now we know what you were trying and failing to do.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:44 amDavid R.’s teleprompter’s in the repair shop.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:45 amthis is going to be a bait and switch presidency all the way.
House passed the bonuses, President signed them, but we should be angry at the people for receiving them as part of the contract.
Much like the people “forced” into bad loans. It’s not that they were in over their heads and signed the paperwork for these loans…it’s that the banks COULD HAVE talked them into safer ones but weren’t strong enough at convincing the borrowers.
Hawkins (3d318d) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:47 amSPQR – Are you really saying that all of this right wing blather is not a joke, that you are trying to be serious? You are right, that’s not funny, it’s scary.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:52 amLOVIN’ THE CHANGE
Jack D'vainy (57f8d8) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:52 amJack D’vainy – Me too. Get ready for eight more years. It will be a refreshing change from Bush/Cheney.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 11:57 amJosh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/03/bigger_than_the_both_of_us.php
“There’s no end of puffed up outrage and opportunistic posturing over the on-going revelation of the AIG bonus scandal. But some line has been crossed. And it’s worth thinking really clearly about just what that line is.
What is so damaging about this isn’t the money — which is almost trivially small compared to the many hundreds of billions we’ve already committed. The problem is what appears to be the president’s mortifying impotence in the face of bankers and financiers who created the problem. The president speaks and acts for the federal government, which is to say, the American people, who have mobilized more than a trillion dollars and all powers of the state to repair the damage emerging out of the financial sector. And with all that, he’s jacked up on a employment agreement between a company the government now owns and derivatives traders who sank the world economy and may quite likely be looking at criminal charges for their activities in the not too distant future?
Anyone can look at that and see that the equation of power and accountability is all screwed up.”
Here’s a nice quote about blackmail:
“Nobody is going to give it back and then stay,” said one of the firm’s employees. “If they give back the money, then they will walk. And they will walk into the arms of AIG’s counterparties.”
And that’s what Obama was talking about right?
Here’s James Galbraith.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0903.galbraith.html
“Geithner’s banking plan would prolong the state of denial. It involves government guarantees of the bad assets, keeping current management in place and attempting to attract new private capital. (Conversion of preferred shares to equity, which may happen with Citigroup, conveys no powers that the government, as regulator, does not already have.) The idea is that one can fix the banks from the top down, by reestablishing markets for their bad securities. If the idea seems familiar, it is: Henry Paulson also pressed for this, to the point of winning congressional approval. But then he abandoned the idea. Why? He learned it could not work.”
So much for the grand conspiracy.
joker (401f96) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:05 pmPolicy before politics. You idiots like it the other way around.
Obama is fucking up. Who says so?
Democrats.
Honesty is good. You should try it sometime.
Try loyalty to an opinion sometime. For all out sakes.
#6 – Well, if you want to get close enough for the 9MM to the forehead, have at it.
Me, I prefer a .223 from 50-100 meters.
still to close: give me a BGM-71 and 2000 to 3000 meters stand off…… Wire Guided Death!
11H 4 Evah!
redc1c4 (9c4f4a) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:09 pmYou just don’t get it, do you David R.?
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:10 pmWell, time to go. Sorry for crashing your right wing circle jerk (or, is it circle of jerks). It was fun, in a scary king of way.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:11 pmDavid R has its talking points and it will not be deterred. I blame Bush.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:13 pmIt’s just right-wing blather! Don’t pay attention to those trillions flying out the door — Get outraged over a few hundred million!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:14 pmDavid R., on a left-wing bombing run, flies over Patterico, drops his load, and flies on.
It’s funny how people like David never stick around long enough to answer legitimate criticism.
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:19 pmIt is clearly the Republicans fault that Sen. Dodd inserted this language, at the behest of the Baracky administration, resulting in Baracky essentially denouncing himself. The faux populist outrage from the Left is remarkable. Here is a fucking clue, David R. These bonuses do not bother me nearly as much as the trillions of dollars Baracky has spent in the first 2 months in office. The earmarks alone in the last bill were 50+ times greater than these bonuses. The wasteful “stimulus” dwarfs this inconsequential figure, yet this is where the Left decided to take a stand. The abject idiocy displayed by you and yours is predictable, yet sad, nonetheless.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:25 pmDavid R:
Yes, it certainly is “scary, in a king of way.”
Thanks for dropping by and adding so much wisdom to the discussion.
Now go back to Kos and tell them how clever you were in teaching the Rethuglicans a thing or two.
Jeesh.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:26 pmWell the way I see it this President is actually doing something since the last one didn’t give a flying @#$%$. I even voted Republican in the last election. I think we all have to give this time there will be mistakes and there is no blueprint. I feel very confident in President Obama and I feel mor optimistic then I did the entire 8 years with President Bush.
William Vandeross (b41eb4) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:26 pmHe is going to say some things that sound strange..why because he’s not perfect and lest we no forget all the crazy sayings and antics of the last few presidents!
I even voted Republican in the last election.
How does that go about the three big lies ?
There must be a window open at Kos. The bats are flying.
MIke K (8df289) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:30 pmUse the rule of thumb with suicide bombers/companies.
Get far enough away from them that with your thumb out stretched in front of your eye, you cover up the target.
Then shoot it.
torabora (8d8f89) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:32 pmLefty Josh Marshall is less than impressed with TOTUS:
There’s no end of puffed up outrage and opportunistic posturing over the on-going revelation of the AIG bonus scandal. But some line has been crossed. And it’s worth thinking really clearly about just what that line is.
What is so damaging about this isn’t the money — which is almost trivially small compared to the many hundreds of billions we’ve already committed. The problem is what appears to be the president’s mortifying impotence in the face of bankers and financiers who created the problem.
(my emphasis)
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:35 pmWilliam is a transparent Moby.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:35 pmVandeross, you seem to be making up stuff. What this President is “doing” is now obvious with Dodd’s admission of culpability in inserting the language in legislation to allow the AIG bailout to protect the bonus contracts for AIG executives. Obama is pretending faux outrage over something his people set up themselves.
The only crazy antics are those of shills like yourself.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:36 pmI am back. I have reloaded and I am ready to drop another load. I guess I will still have to wait for any “legitimate criticism.” You guys are very entertaining, but at least one of you is math-challenged and another of you has trouble with reading comprehension. JD says “The earmarks alone in the last bill were 50+ times greater than these bonuses.” Excellent math skills, so far. Here’s one for you, Bush’s contribution to the U.S debt was 29,000+ times “greater than these bonuses.” Pop quiz – Which is the larger number – 29,000+?, or 50+? Go ahead, phone a friend (but no one in this group). JD – I am glad we agree on something. I blame Bush too.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:38 pmBrother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. – “Don’t pay attention to those trillions flying out the door — Get outraged over a few hundred million!” You should try to read for comprehension and not just speed. Your finger and your lips apparently move way faster than your brain. Please re-read #54.
There are some villages missing their idiots.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:39 pmI normally don’t take the time to dignify these kinds of rant boards by actually posting to them but I felt compelled in this case.
So let me get this straight… The president is omnipotent and omniscient. He should be able to divine by pure intuition the correct thing to do in any given situation. Therefore he must be either too weak willed, too incompetent or an outright liar.
When I read these types of ‘pontifications‘ I can’t help but wonder what the writer would have done were he/she in the same position. Over and over again I’ve read peoples comments claiming that some government member is incompetent or fraudulent. The vast majority of these people never offer an alternative solution to the issue and if they do it is always something inane like; “we should just let the banks go under” or “be a man and stand up to them”. It is painfully clear that the majority have never had to make a difficult decision based on uncertain information in their lives. It is equally obvious that they are simply repeating the tripe that they heard their favorite political evangelist spew on the radio/tv that morning.
Everyone wants to blame the banks and/or the government and they do share the responsibility. The government and the banks should not have enabled people that could not afford the lifestyle they were living to keep living it but at the same time those people (that’s right you and me) should not have been taking advantage of those programs when all common sense and basic reason told us we could not afford it and rates were bound to rise eventually.
Even as I write this I ask myself why? I already know that the weak always blame the strong. For the weak lack the strength to look at their own weakness and therefore their problems must be the fault of the ones that have the strength of will to stand up and try to help… God bless America!
SW (48ad0b) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:40 pmI hope David R. is well-compensated for his work for Obama. It would be a pity for such unwaveringly faithful toadying to go unrewarded.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:53 pmAg80 – Now that’s funny. “… teaching the Rethuglicans a thing or two.” There is no proof that they can learn any one thing, much less two things. By the way, you are welcome. There was so little wisdom in the discussion before, I am happy to add some.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:55 pmJD – If you clean up your act and disavow your nonsensical right wing ways, they will let you back in the village.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:57 pmSo saith the drive-by troll.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 12:59 pmBrother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. – According to the right wing brain trust, all liberals (socialists, commies, etc.) are on welfare. I am a liberal. Ergo, I must be on welfare. And, since, according to this same brain trust, Republicans pay all of the taxes. This means that you, rather than President Obama, are compensating me. Ironic, isn’t it. But, thank you all anyway.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:02 pmLiberals are a strange bunch.
They like to spew pornographic descriptions as if it makes them look smart, mature and oh so wise. Perhaps amongst their peers that does make them all of the above?
Then another shows up and tries to claim that criticism is wrong unless you also have the solution.
What a strange bunch.
ML (14488c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:05 pmSheesh, David R. just emptied the logical fallacy drawer in the coffee shop he’s hiding in.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:06 pmYes, David R., I am just another brainwashed right-winger, who mindlessly repeats what Ann Coulter tells me to do. We just hide in this dark corner of conservatism, all saying the same thing. The light of your “progressive” intellect, bringing in perspectives we’ve never, ever, considered, is absolutely blinding.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:08 pmWell, the syllogism is consistent, but the premise is bullshit. Start with a bad premise, and your conclusion is bullshit.
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:13 pmI even voted Republican in the last election.
Of course you did, Moby – but you left out the incredibly important preamble that must be posted within such a screed – “I am a Concerned Christian Conservative who voted for Obama.” See how much better your point is made with those handy – dandy additions?
Ergo, I must be on welfare.
Who knows or cares, but given the paucity of logical thought and coherence regarding your rants, I’d have thought you were collecting tolls under the bridge at this point.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:20 pmSPQR – “… emptied the logical fallacy drawer in the coffee shop he’s hiding in.” Wow! That’s a quotable phrase if I ever heard one. It’s way better than any of your other posts. Would you mind if I use it?
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:21 pmBrother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. – That’s is quite a confession. Congratulations. Acceptance is one of the steps to recovery. Good for you.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:24 pmDmac – Apparently you didn’t read my post. Liberals don’t have jobs. “… collecting tolls under the bridge …” is a job.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:28 pmI would be impotent having an ugly wife like he has. Back to AIG; Obama took the blame, but he came out short of saying what he took the blame for. He took the blame for signing a bill without knowing or even reading the bill itself. AIG bonuses were in the bill.
Joe Fattal (40898f) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:30 pmRegardless of your views realize this. We are all in this together. We will as the saying goes stand together or fall apart. I supported my president we he led the way into a war I did not agree with and I will support my president as he ‘tries’ to lead the way out of this dark hole we all helped dig.
The conservatives blame the liberals the liberals blame the conservatives. The rich blame the poor and the poor blame the rich. Etc. etc… Whatever it is it must be your fault because it certainly isn’t mine.
I wash my hands of this pointless debate. So be it…
SW (48ad0b) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:33 pmThanks, David R.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:34 pmNo doubt you have carefully read this blog and know I have never, ever dissented from conservative orthodoxy, and would never, ever entertain ideas from the left or even the Libertarians. Please bear with me as my famously ultra-conservative mind tries to adapt to the truth you have brought here.
Joe, even that does not match Dodd’s admission that the administration asked for those provisions to be in the bill protecting AIG’s compensation contracts.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:35 pmDR is apparently attempting to preview his new comedy routine, which he’s been trying to tighten up between his full – time job as Head Fluffer.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:35 pmI wash my hands of this pointless debate. So be it…
Thanks for stopping by and demonstrating your moral superiority – we’re all ashamed and feel graced by your awesome presense. Oh, and one more thing – you Mom called and wants you to pick up some skim milk on the way home from Glee Club.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:37 pmI supported my president we he led the way into a war I did not agree with and I will support my president as he ‘tries’ to lead the way out of this dark hole we all helped dig.
Utter sincerity is so admirable.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:39 pm“Utter sincerity is so admirable.” I agree. Everyone should read posts #94 and #101. Excellent examples of this.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:46 pmDo I detect sock lint on David’s hand?
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:52 pmFull-time Head Fluffer, under the bridge toll collector, comedian, bringer of truth and knowledge to conservatives. I must be the hardest working liberal on the planet.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:52 pm#100
That’s right, democrats in congress didn’t vote on going to war in Iraq, only the president gets a say.
And of course now you liberals want the blame for this current mess that was caused by democrats to be evenly passed around, yet the last 8 years no blame was ever passed around.
And your new president makes sure everyone knows its not his fault, he inherited the problem, but he won.
What a classy guy the POTUS is, have the Dhimmcrats ever produced someone with even a little class?
It’s a rhetorical question.
ML (14488c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:53 pmSteverino – “Do I detect sock lint on David’s hand?” OK, I give up. There must be something extremely clever in that statement. What is it?
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:54 pmI should be shot for making this post but I have to point out something… I am not a liberal. I am not a democrat. I am not a conservative and I am not a republican. I am an American.
SW (48ad0b) — 3/19/2009 @ 1:59 pmIn utter sincerity, I enjoyed hearing the gasp of dismay and disbelief from a fellow journo when I mentioned having listened to Limbaugh’s hilarious interview with the First Teleprompter.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:00 pmGood Allah. David, we cannot miss you if you do not stay gone.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:01 pmSW @111,
I am not a liberal. I am not a democrat. I am not a conservative and I am not a republican. I am an American.
The same is true for me. So what’s your point?
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:02 pm# 111 SW
You are to funny, you claim this and that, yet I am witnessing the complete opposite.
Do your words and deeds ever match up or are they always at odds?
ML (14488c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:05 pmJD – I had to come back. I was mysteriously drawn to the wit and wisdom of this site. And, I knew you would miss me too much.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:06 pm. I am an American.
…and I am the moon, the wind and the stars – in short, I am the bestest American evah.
Is there some kind of contest going on for empathic head – tilting while a person utters this pablum?
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:10 pmThese Democrats come over here to teach us so many things. I have a little story of a Republican actually teaching a Democrat. It’s so unusual, I have to post it.
Last week a Senate committee approved her legislation to make sex with animals a felony:
Rich’s legislation would target only those who derived or helped others derive ”sexual gratification” from an animal, specifying that conventional dog-judging contests and animal-husbandry practices are permissible.
That last provision tripped up Miami Democratic Sen. Larcenia Bullard.
”People are taking these animals as their husbands? What’s husbandry?” she asked. Some senators stifled their laughter as Sen. Charlie Dean, an Inverness Republican, explained that husbandry is raising and caring for animals. Bullard didn’t get it.
”So that maybe was the reason the lady was so upset about that monkey?” Bullard asked, referring to a Connecticut case where a woman’s suburban chimpanzee went mad and was shot.
Well, a Republican tried to teach a Democrat.
Close enough. Stop by again sometime David. Sorry to see that you are in a hurry to get somewhere. Just take a left as you leave.
MIke K (8df289) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:11 pmNow, I can’t leave. This Mike K guy is such a hoot. The rest of you will have to blame him for me staying.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:28 pmDo stick around, David R. Mike K. has a lot to teach you — if you’re willing to learn.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:30 pmMike K – Have you heard the one about Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee, 30-pill a day drug addict trying to teach others about family values and the evils of drug use. Or, the one about Bush lecturing to others about fiscal responsibility while running up $5.1 trillion in national debt. Or, the one about Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition as well as a member of the South Carolina Republican Party’s executive committee, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. I guess he was trying to teach her the Republican version of sex ed, and she was trying to teach her kids to swim.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:33 pmBrother Bradley – What in the world makes you believe that it has the desire, or even the ability, to learn?
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:36 pmJD – Before you question anyone’s ability to learn, you must first answer the previous pop quiz question – Which is the larger number – 29,000+?, or 50+? You have had nearly 3 hours to look it up.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:43 pmDavid R,
While you have been an ass in many of your comments today your glee in the tragedies you gloat about in comment #121 crosses the line. If you had any sense of honor you would apologize. I won’t hold my breath.
Machinist (c5fc28) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:44 pmThe unintended irony of a Leftist like this twatwaffle lecturing anyone on fiscal responsibility is remarkable, in light of the fact that Teh One put nearly $800,000,000,000 on the books in his first month, and will be spending trillions of dollars in deficits for as far as the eyes can see.
JD (0fd3fc) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:49 pm121 Have YOU heard the rumors about Ear Leader engaging in homosexual behaviors in Rev. Wright’s church with other male members of the congregation? Seriously, it was out there. Or that O! is an admitted former cokehead and avowed Marxist, accordng to his own words in that magnificent autobio? Or that Barney Franks is a flaming queen who was oblivious to a call-boy ring runout of his basement? Oh my, an UNELECTED to anything Limbaugh became addicted to pain killers and sex enhancing pills were found in his luggage. Of course there are different standards for libtard pols, just ask Billy Clinton of cigars in the twat fame/ BJs on the Oral Office carpet and ejaculations on blue dresses. Oral sex is not sex and is is what you define is as being?
aoibhneas (0c6cfc) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:49 pmAnd how about Hillary’s alleged lesbo liasions or Janet Reno’s wild lesbian parties and being stopped for drunken driving while in the midst of orgies with fellow bull dykes?
Yes, we know selection memory on your part, like Rush’s funny recording of Hillary having no recollection of anything at all that was possibly criminal conduct.
David R.,
I take it you believe hypocrisy is worse than ignorance.
Anon (8b9d41) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:50 pm#121 is one of the most brain-jarringly stupid and vile comments we have seen around here in a while. Which insane asylum linked to this thread today, Patterico?
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:53 pmMy, my all that AIG bonus money actually approved by liberal pols and now all that outrage. How about magic negro’s pal, fellow African American Franklin Raines taking $95 MIL after helping run Fannie into the ground? How much will he return and what rate of taxation for HIM? Oh, that was before? Jajajaja- fekcing hypocritical, self-righteous, holier than thou moonbats.
aoibhneas (0c6cfc) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:53 pmHas anyone else noticed that Hax and Oiram aren’t here today, but David and SW are?
I sometimes imagine a bunch of dolts in the Troll Union Hall, waiting for assignments. One clocks out, another clocks in.
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:53 pmMy aren’t we touchy. Republican’s have no line to cross when gleefully attacking Democrats, but develop a sense of righteous indignation when they are attacked. If you can prove that what I said about Limbaugh (“voice of the GOP”), Bush, and Russell, is untrue, then I will certainly apologize. But, those are not rumors. And, JD, who has very marginal math skills, but is an expert in name calling, still hasn’t figured out who was in charge when the U.S. economy when in the toilet and that something, other than Republican obstructionism, is needed to get us out of the Republican mess.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 2:59 pmIt is hard to believe that such a wild-eyed bunch of wacky conservatives could get even more frothy. Time for the distemper shots. I have read all of the posts today and with the large group of halfwits posting here, I find it hard to believe that “#121 is one of the most brain-jarringly stupid and vile comments we have seen around here in a while.” I doubt if it is even in the top 100 of the stupid thing the resident idiots say.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:04 pmShorter David R.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:06 pm“LOOK! RUSH LIMBAUGH!”
# 121
And liberal values can be summed up in Barney Frank trying to get his gay lover and hired driver off child pornography and drug charges and of course abortion is a “right” and should be free of charge.
Nice values or should we say lack thereof that you liberals have.
ML (14488c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:06 pmThis has nothing to do with Rush. Any argument or reasoning you think you made here today went out the window with your vile glee at the molestation and deaths of innocents. You have Frisched your own arguments.
Machinist (c5fc28) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:06 pmCome on Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. – You can do better. Anytime that Jabba the Conservative in within 100 yards, everyone can see him, and unfortunately also hear him. You are not fooling anyone. That look over there gimmick was already used at list twice today. You guys need to get away from each other for a while. You are starting to use each others brilliant stuff.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:11 pmI don’t think you are capable of seeing the difference but I will try. There is a large difference between pointing out the hypocrisy of politicians on the left or the right, and laughing at the tragic death of children. There are a number of trolls here with some annoying habits but I don’t think any of them sink to this iniquitous level. Can’t you see through your hatred enough to see how self defeating and discrediting this is?
Machinist (c5fc28) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:12 pmDavid R is just a distraction, so you will not notice the abject failure that is Teleprompter of the United States.
By its (il)logic, since John Wayne Gacy was a Dem, David R supports him.
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:13 pmNow that Gacy fella was one evil homoerotic clown.
Jimminy'cricket (637168) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:15 pmMachinist said “This has nothing to do with Rush. Any argument or reasoning you think you made here today went out the window with your vile glee at the molestation and deaths of innocents. You have Frisched your own arguments.” Really, so none of the facts are valid any longer? I guess I Frisched up. Oh, well. I guess I just can’t live up to those high conservative principles. At least not any better than most of them do.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:20 pmI made no conservative or political points here today. I spoke to you about decency. Clearly it was a foreign language to you.
I am going for some air.
Machinist (c5fc28) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:24 pmHave you heard the one about
Rush’s 30-pillPresident Obama’s cocaine use? Or, the one aboutBushObama lecturing to others about fiscal responsibility while running up$5.1 trillion$10 trillion national debt?With the greatest respect to the victims of William Ayers and Ted Kennedy; you have not been forgotten.
Rest In Peace Brian V. McDonnell, Mary Jo Kopechne
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:25 pmSW said:
I should be shot for making this post but I have to point out something… I am not a liberal. I am not a democrat. I am not a conservative and I am not a republican. I am an American.
Why should you be shot? You said you had a point. What is it? I think pretty much everyone who posts here is an American, but I could be wrong.
Are we supposed to all hold hands and sing “Kumbaya” because of your humble wisdom?
David R said:
Mike K – Have you heard the one about Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee, 30-pill a day drug addict trying to teach others about family values and the evils of drug use. Or, the one about Bush lecturing to others about fiscal responsibility while running up $5.1 trillion in national debt. Or, the one about Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition as well as a member of the South Carolina Republican Party’s executive committee, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. I guess he was trying to teach her the Republican version of sex ed, and she was trying to teach her kids to swim.
Oh, look! There’s Rush. What an original thought.
Also, a Dem has never, ever, in the entire history of the universe, ever, ever, ever committed a heinous crime. But some guy in South Carolina did and the tragic result was the fault of the GOP. Somehow. Thanks again for the logic. Good to know.
Also, what does any of this have to do with the topic?
Did World of Warcraft get that boring?
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:28 pmI sdmire do it yourself trolls like David R. Their contruct their own strawmen of conservatives and their positions and then shoot them down. It saves everybody a lot of work, has entertainment value as an escape from reality, and provides a break from our usual vacuous trolls.
Carry on David R. You’ve said nothing worthwhile yey. You’re batting 1.000%!!!!!eleventy!!!
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:32 pmNo, he ran out of Jergens this afternoon.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:33 pmI believe the DR designation stands for Distemper Retrovirus.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:34 pmThey can’t defend Obama’s incompetence so they try to change the subject.
Evil Pundit (43faaa) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:37 pmI admire David R.’s industrious hypocrisy; trotting out the tiresome Limbaugh distraction and when we call him on it, saying we’re unoriginal.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:37 pmAg80 – My topic of interest. The hypocrisy of Republicans. They are all in a froth about Obama saying one thing and doing something else, that they have totally forgotten that this is exactly the way they operate. We have posts on this page speculating about Obama creating $10 trillion in additional debt (with nothing to back it up) while forgetting that Bush actually created $5.1 trillion in debt. We have holier-than-thou conservatives lecturing others on morals, family values, and fiscal responsibility, while demonstrating none of it. Yes, my post about Russell was over the top, and there were tragic victims (the daughter and her kids). I apologize to Machinist and others who were offended. However, the one responsible for this tragedy is Russell. Except for his hypocrisy and disgusting behavior, it would not have happened. My point is, don’t lecture others on what they should do, if you can’t do it yourself.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:44 pmDavid R., you keep trying to talk about something other than the topic of the thread.
Did you not hear? Obama is president now.
And by the way, there is a lot to back up the claims about Obama’s projected debt – namely Obama’s recently released budget projections.
Obama will exceed the amount of debt of the 8 year Bush administration within little more than 2 fiscal years by his own projections.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:48 pmWow, last time I looked (02/02/09) it was $10.6 trillion. Today it is $11.0 trillion.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:51 pmSince David R. seems to be spending so much time chanting “Republican hypocrisy” and no time actually reading the current news, I’ll show him some.
Reading this story, we learn:
That means that Obama is twice as hypocritical as George Bush. By David R.’s juvenile prattle.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:52 pmActually, they’re in a froth about Obama railing against AIG bonuses when he signed the freakin’ bill allowing them. It’s more than hypocrisy, it’s rank dishonesty.
Actually, most of us here are pretty pissed at the way Bush ran up debt. But Obama’s on pace to surpass Bush’s two terms in less than one term. Are we all forced to never complain about the deficit again?
Of course NONE of this has anything to do with Obama likening banks to suicide bombers. It’s over-the-top rhetoric I’d expect from a dimwitted college student, and it’s utterly inappropriate from a US President.
Steverino (69d941) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:52 pmI am fascinated by the use of the word “troll.” This word is used by both liberals and conservatives when someone who doesn’t share their views has the audacity to visit one of their pet sites. Certainly don’t want someone with a different view to crash your little fraternity/sorority. Maybe these people need a special password, or secret handshake, to keep out those who might say something they don’t agree with. After all, it is easier, and safer, for everyone to say basically the same thing and to pat each other on their backs for their cleverness.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:53 pmSpeculating about debt? Speculating? He spent almost $800,000,000,000 on the “stimulus”, and his budgets claim deficits for as far as the eyes can see, while claiming “savings” from spending that never existed. Please show us, other than yourself, that anyone here was acting holier-than-thou.
Bullshit. You are trying to smear people. It is such a ridiculous and childish position to take, especially in light of how you tried to tar everyone with the actions of Russell. You support Gacy. Nice.
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:53 pm“The White House has already conceded that the Obama budget will produce deficits of about $6.9 trillion over 10 years. If the CBO projections were to add in the range of $1.5 trillion more, as some Democrats expect, that would be more than a 20 percent increase and would surely affect debate in Congress.” Assuming that this is true, what do you resident conservative geniuses propose to do to fix this? Do you have ideas? It’s obvious that conservative ideas didn’t work all that well over the last eight years, or more. Let’s hear some.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:58 pmShorter David R:
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:58 pmBecause Bush ran up deficits of hundreds of billions of dollars, it’s wrong to criticize Obama’s deficit of $1.7 trillion.
David R:
OK. You don’t like the hypocrisy of Republicans. Fair enough. Why don’t you just say that. They certainly have enough guilt in the current situation. As do the Democrats.
If I criticize President Obama about his reaction to the current economic situation, it is because I disagree with his policy. It is an honest disagreement.
I think Bush was wrong with the initial bail-outs. I believe that printing trillions of more dollars to try to get out of this mess is the wrong way to fix it, regardless of who is at fault for the cause.
Also, and this is sincere advice: Don’t confuse conservatives with Republicans or liberals with Democrats. They don’t always line up.
Also, take a hard look at members of Congress, both right and left, and look at their votes. I suspect you will find they more often align with their special interests rather than what’s important to the nation as a whole.
From your last post, it seems you may want to be something more than a troll. If so, great and welcome. We can have fun discussions.
If not, thanks for dropping by. Don’t tell your friends.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 3:59 pmPons Asinorum – Again, please try to read for content. Yes, the national debt is $11 trillion, but $5.1 trillion of that was generated by that great bastion of conservatism – George W. Bush.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:01 pmHas anyone else noticed that Hax and Oiram aren’t here today, but David and SW are?
I sometimes imagine a bunch of dolts in the Troll Union Hall, waiting for assignments. One clocks out, another clocks in.
Comment by Steverino
Yes, I have noticed and I think the troll is experimenting with a way to get attention again. I skimmed the comments and it sure sounds like the same troll. Patterico would know but, unlike the troll, he is off earning a living.
The tone is unmistakable. Next he’ll be telling us he’s a journalist.
No thanks.
Mike K (8df289) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:06 pmTrue; but then again:
eight years versus 60 days.
This is bad for all of us.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:06 pmPons – Unless you are going to mock or scorn, save your breath. This one has a mouthful of Teh One, and still has end-stage BDS.
Assuming?! That was from Boy Wonder’s White House. You do not believe Teh One ?!
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:07 pmDavid R., odd that you can’t read for content. Obama is planning on adding nearly twice that.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:08 pmAlso, I think we have our terms crossed. Just to be clear.
Debt Held by the Public is currently $6.7 trillion (what I call deficit).
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:08 pmTotal Public Debt is currently $11.0 trillion (what I call debt).
JD, yes but I am not as quick or nearly as funny.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:09 pmPons, “deficit” is an term that refers to a budget cycle / fiscal year. Debt is the total accumulation of deficits and surpluses.
You are correct that a large chunk of “debt” is obligations held by social security.
SPQR (72771e) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:10 pmYes, Obama is President. (Although there is a significant segment of Republicans who just won’t accept it). He has been President for all of 58 days. During that period, a number of Republican idiots have declared that they hope that he fails. I would guess that a few of the posters on this site would be included. President Obama was handed an economic disaster by Bush and the Republicans. He will have to dig us out with, or without, Republican support. While I will admit that President Obama’s words regarding the bonuses were perhaps not the best, and that mistakes were made, at least he is trying to correct those mistakes. His few mistakes pale in comparison to the one’s Bush made and in comparison to the problems that our economy faces. In spite of this, the brain trust on this list insist on beating the minor problems to death and have no ideas on how to solve the major problems. Si, I guess I would have to add “lack of ideas” and “lack of perspective” to “hypocrisy” to describe Republicans.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:11 pmSoon-to-be Former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has just admitted trying to save the AIG bonuses.
Official Internet Data Office (572971) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:13 pmThanks SPQR. And JD, yep- you were right.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:14 pmA multiple choice quiz: Who said this?
(a) George W. Bush.
Anon (8b9d41) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:18 pm(b) Dick Cheney.
(c) Joe Biden.
(d) None of the above.
(d) None of the above.
29,000+ is greater than 50+
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:21 pm“Soon-to-be Former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has just admitted trying to save the AIG bonuses.” Good for him. It is about time we had someone who could admit a mistake.
Bush – Mission accomplished, but still in Iraq and still looking for those WMDs.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:24 pmProof of this significant segment please. Or, is this another ass pull?
And has spent more money in 58 days than anyone ever dreamed possible. Brava.
I hope he fails to enact his collectivist redistributionist collectivist policies. I hope he fails to destroy our country.
The Dems ran the House and Senate since ’06. Look at a simple graph of the economy since that date.
Assuming for a moment that what you say is true, how does that absolve Barcky of the complete mess he has made of things since taking office. Since it was bad, he gets free reign to fuck it up worse?!
To date, he has not made a tough choice, or even made a tough spending cut, except trying to make veterans pay for their service injuries instead of the government. The only digging going on is his digging a deeper hole.
Damning with faint praise there. This was his administration’s policy, and the only reason he is backtracking from it is because of the public outcry.
Go back to Kos/Atrios/manbearpig/huffandblow or whatever rock it was that you crawled out from under.
Gacy supporter.
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:25 pmNevermind. Mike K is right. Looking for an honest lefty is the work of Diogenes, not me.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:25 pmCorrect, David R. Barack Obama wants us to forget his mistakes, which should be easy to do given how many he’s making. It’s easier to remember 50 than 29,000.
Anon (8b9d41) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:26 pmThis single quote is always so telling. It gives you a perfect view into that person.
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:27 pmAg80 – And, nobody even bothers to look for an honest righty. They don’t exist.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:27 pmThis one is going to call names and disparage good people until it gets banned. When it does not get the attention it wants, it will just ramp up the rhetoric, like it did in #121. We have seen this before.
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:29 pmJD – “This single quote is always so telling. It gives you a perfect view into that person.” This reply is a bit cryptic. Please enlighten me.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:30 pmIt is not at all cryptic. It shows how fundamentally dishonest you are. It shows how little you know about the military. It shows that you are aggressively dishonest.
Gotta go catch a plane. Damn things are fast.
JD (6323ee) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:32 pmAs Jeff G. just said: Because so far, he may as well be wearing big floppy shoes a red nose and trying to stuff a record number of his “team” into a Volkswagon Beetle.
Perhaps like this or this or this.
Or is that Jeremiah Wright? I can’t keep these players straight anymore.
Joe (dcebbd) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:36 pmJD – Have a safe trip. It will miss your brilliance.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:36 pmGeithner’s behavior wasn’t a mistake–it was wilfully shovelling money into the pockets of his Wall Street cronies, and then trying to cover up his role in it. The delicious irony is that the goofy Democrats in Washington are trying to fan the flames of outrage over these AIG bonuses, when it was their own Dartmouth-educated Democratic jackass who lobbied for them, both recently and last fall.
Be sure to save any paper currency you get with Geithner’s signature on the lower right–they’re not going to be making many more of them.
Official Internet Data Office (572971) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:37 pm175 a totally gratutious ad hominem attack for the clueless troll- go back to festering amongst the dangling dingleberries on Obamalamadingdong’s anal regions. How does it feel to be a gerbil wannabe up O’s arse?
What public money does Limbaugh waste? Whose pals are getting rich from the ‘stimulus’? Where is freedom of speech in a ‘Fairness Doctrine’? What happened to the right of secret balloting vis a vis union card check? What assclown potus sets a great example with his duplicity, inveigling and obfuscations? What jerkwad extols us to lower our thermostats in winter and raise them in summer when he himself keeps Oval office at 80? What phony teleprompter-addicted executive is a total hypocritical crapweasel? Whatever else Bush was he had intregity. Kissing fat teddy’s ass did him no good at all.
aoibhneas (0c6cfc) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:38 pm#183: Freudian slip. Big time!
Next up: “I work here is done.”
Anon (57b266) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:39 pmOf course NONE of this has anything to do with Obama likening banks to suicide bombers. It’s over-the-top rhetoric I’d expect from a dimwitted college student, and it’s utterly inappropriate from a US President.
Comment by Steverino — 3/19/2009 @ 3:52 pm
Well, at least he won’t be doing late night comedy. What?
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:46 pmAnon – You bonehead. Read some of JD’s previous posts. “It” was apparently JD’s affectionate name for me. Try to keep up.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:46 pmWell, I guess I can be thankful that aoibhneas is one of your’s. You must be so proud.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:48 pmDavid R:
Go back and look at my post at 159. But, then you come up with this gem:
Bush – Mission accomplished, but still in Iraq and still looking for those WMDs.
You kept on with dishonest attacks and then at 178, you insulted me. Again, fair enough, I insulted you.
Nonetheless There are plenty of honest, smart people who post here. Engage them in with an honest, smart post and you might be surprised.
However, I don’t think I will be.
Anyway, thanks for playing.
“‘What do we have for the ladies, Johnny?’ ‘Timex watches…'”
Anyway, on a lighter note, does anyone know where that last quote came from?. I’ll send the first person with the correct response a Timex watch. (Just trying to interject a little fun here}.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:57 pmWhat’s a watch?
(It’s been years since I’ve worn one, since cell phones double as timepieces).
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 4:59 pmSorry, gotta go. Earl’s on and I need to get my talking points from Randy.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:04 pmOne of my colleagues just said Obama had his “Brownie moment”
Obama to Leno: Geithner doing ‘outstanding’ job
By MARK S. SMITH
BURBANK, Calif. (AP) — President Barack Obama says his embattled treasury chief, Timothy Geithner, is doing an “outstanding job.” . . .
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., (9671f3) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:06 pmObama also said “… too many in Washington are trying to figure out who blame for things — when they should be focused on fixing them.” So true.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:12 pm178 Comment by David R — 3/19/2009 @ 4:27 pm
And, nobody even bothers to look for an honest righty. They don’t exist.
False; I find them all the time. I even find some honest Lefty’s, but not you.
Intelligent people have open minds and are curious about differing ideas, even if such ideas challenge their own beliefs. Rather than think ill of the challenger, they presume a default intelligence and good-will (respect and courtesy are, of course, rendered by all parties).
Your inability to argue in terms other than stereotypes and generalizations, reveal a great deal about your objectivity and openness.
I hope you can figure things out David R; hating people who disagree with you consumes intellectual capacity and leaves only the cheap tactics of a bigot’s life.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:13 pmGeithner doing ‘outstanding’ job
So the nightmare with this guy is going to continue. Great.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:20 pmGood night all!
“It will miss your brilliance.”
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:22 pm“eleventy”
“I work here is done.”
Pons Asinorum – Have you actually read any of the responses to my posts? Start at #55 when I jumped in to this stimulating attack on Obama and his 59-day old presidency. Then check #175.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:23 pm“Obama also said “… too many in Washington are trying to figure out who blame for things — when they should be focused on fixing them.” So true.”
Absolutely. Which is why he’s had his team and the left wing Rage Conspiracy spend it’s time attacking private citizens such as Limbaugh, Cramer and Santelli. So Presidential. So dignified. So Edumicated.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:24 pmPons Asinorum – Good night and here’s hoping that you can still fit your head in your hat.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:25 pmYou can take the affirmative action community agitator out of Chicago but you can’t take Chicago out of the affirmative action community agitator.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:27 pm“I work here is done.”
PA – He does sound like that meat slicing machine engineer who clsimed to be a teacher.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:29 pmObama also said “… too many in Washington are trying to figure out who blame for things — when they should be focused on fixing them.” So true.
Coming from him?! That’s rich, that’s hilarious!
Mark (c18e99) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:30 pmdaleyrocks – Heaven forbid that anyone would attack that great paragon of virtue Rush Limbaugh. It’s not like he isn’t the sweetest guy in town. And, it so nice that you can come to his defense. When you rant and rave non-stop on right wing talk radio, you really ought to develop a thicker skin.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:30 pmDavid R sounds cute. I wonder how he looks in thigh-highs and heels.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:32 pmDavid R said:
Pons Asinorum – Have you actually read any of the responses to my posts? Start at #55 when I jumped in to this stimulating attack on Obama and his 59-day old presidency. Then check #175.
And then, you missed my post at 190.
I’ll give as good as I get.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:37 pm…while stroking his pet ocelot. No doubt he subscribes to Tranny Quarterly.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:40 pmMark – It would be even worse if it wasn’t all true. I think it is important for Obama to point out to his critics the full extent of those problems. He also needs to educate those who erroneously believe that he has created those problems, and who feel he isn’t doing enough to solve all of the country’s problems in 58 days. And, yes, to point out where those problems came from. It is appropriate to remind those with very short memories. I guess it must also be frustrating to him to try to deal with an obstructionist Republican minority who have no ideas of their own, and many of whom hope that he (and since he is the President, the U.S.) fails. In an earlier post, I asked for some ideas on how to solve our problems. I am still waiting.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:42 pm“And, it so nice that you can come to his defense”
David R – Nice of you to miss the point, especicially when you reinforced the point about there being important things to worry about. Is Obama so scared of Limbaugh that he has to gather up his media fellaters to attack him.
Comprehending plain english is also not a stong point of yours either. Please point out my defense of Limbaugh. I’ll wait.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:46 pmnk – Why do ask? Would you like to meet someone in an airport bathroom stall? Ag80 – “I’ll give as good as I get.” Maybe you and nk ought to get together. Dmac sounds like he wants to make it a three-some.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:47 pm“deal with an obstructionist Republican minority who have no ideas of their own”
Ding, ding, ding
Caution – meme du jour!!!!!!!!
Heh – No ideas of their own – Complete bullshit
Obstructionist – The Democrats don’t need the Republicans except for those lobster pot hoochies maybe in the Senate to pass legislation, so the phrasing is again is complete misdirection.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:50 pm“Absolutely. Which is why he’s had his team and the left wing Rage Conspiracy spend it’s time attacking private citizens such as Limbaugh, Cramer and Santelli. So Presidential. So dignified. So Edumicated.” I guess private citizens are off limits, even when they are media personalities.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:52 pmLooks like O is already creating new jobs. Defending him has become full time employment for many minions. Hope they’re paying well, David. At some point (I’m thinking three weeks ago) blaming the prior admin will not suffice.
You were harping on math a while back. What’s indicative of a “sound” economy? Dow 11k or 7k?
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:53 pmWTF?
…an obstructionist Republican minority..
Who, exactly, are they obstructing. Every piece of legislation the current admin has asked for they have received. If you’re willing to open your eyes I think you might be forced to at least consider the possibility that the problem lies with the majority. There is no obstruction taking place.
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:58 pm“What’s indicative of a “sound” economy? Dow 11k or 7k?”
Ask Bush. It was 11k on his watch and he brought it (and the rest of the economy) down.
“Looks like O is already creating new jobs. Defending him has become full time employment for many minions. Hope they’re paying well, David.”
I believe I addressed that in #92.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 5:58 pmob·struc·tion·ist (b-strksh-nst, b-)
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:01 pmn.
One who systematically blocks or interrupts a process, especially one who attempts to impede passage of legislation by the use of delaying tactics, such as a filibuster.
In an earlier post, I asked for some ideas on how to solve our problems. I am still waiting.
If you had bothered to read some of the prior posts here (say, the past few weeks) before blathering your talking points, you would’ve heard about the following solutions:
– suspending the corporate income tax;
– creating another RTC, with Paul Volcker at the helm. He has vast experience in allowing the government to take over bad properties and debt (see the S & L crisis during the 80’s for reference), and Obama appointed him to head a commission that has not been heard from since that ballyhooed announcement. Volcker has made it clear that he’s extremely pissed about Obama making him basically window dressing on this fiasco, while mongoloids like Summers and Geithner run the economy into the ditch. Wonder why?
– suspending the AMT
– allowing individuals who pay for their own health care insurance to deduct their expenses from their income taxes
You could look up many other posts and comments on the subject, but you show no inclination to do so at this point.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:03 pmThankfully there are at least three Republican senators who are willing to help solve our considerable problems.
Any ideas yet? I thought not.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:04 pmCognitive dissonance much David?
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:04 pmI’ve got an idea. Let’s shut the minority out of the negotiating process for a trillion dollar porkfest and then blame them when the inevitable train wreck occurs. Sound good?
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:07 pmDavid R:
Serious question. What is your deal with Rush? And the left’s deal with Rush for that matter.
I understand you don’t like him. I don’t care if you criticize him. But, he’s not dictating policy or “leading” the Republican Party. I listen to him, but not everyday.
He’s a guy on the radio. It’s as if I said that Keith Olbermann was the voice of the left.
Public figures are fair game for comment. But, why does every lefty that comes here at some point says: Look at Rush.
Don’t you have a better argument?
In an earlier post, I asked for some ideas on how to solve our problems. I am still waiting.
Cut taxes, cut spending. Let the poorly managed corporations fail. The void will be filled. Let markets work as they should.
Will some suffer? Yes, including myself. Hunker down for a long period of pain, but don’t saddle my children and grandchildren with my generation’s mistakes.
Read history. Printing money does not solve the problem of the dissolution of wealth.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:08 pmDoesn’t this David R. sound a teeny bit…familiar?
Anon (61265f) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:10 pmDmac – I guess I didn’t make myself clear. I was looking for some ideas that might actually work. My bad. Not the tired, old conservative claptrap that hasn’t worked. Three, out four, of your ideas involve tax cuts. Trickle down turned out to be trickle on. Give it a rest.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:11 pmDavid R said:
Dmac – I guess I didn’t make myself clear. I was looking for some ideas that might actually work. My bad. Not the tired, old conservative claptrap that hasn’t worked. Three, out four, of your ideas involve tax cuts. Trickle down turned out to be trickle on. Give it a rest.
So, collectivism and nationalization is new? How so. Specifically.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:15 pmShorter David;
Give me your ideas that agree with Nancy Pelosi’s redistributionist notions. Otherwise, you’re shut out and will be blamed.
You’ve got to face up to the fact that you (the left in general) don’t want our ideas. So you’re telling anyone who disagrees that they’re the problem. The Dem’s own this catastrophe. Maybe you don’t realize it yet but you will soon enough.
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:16 pm“Let the poorly managed corporations fail. The void will be filled. Let markets work as they should.”
“Will some suffer? Yes, including myself. Hunker down for a long period of pain, but don’t saddle my children and grandchildren with my generation’s mistakes.”
Excellent idea. Ya. What the hell. Let’s go for it.
You are right. Rush is a convenient and worthy target. I could have listed many more. However, as much as you would like to disavow Rush as the voice of the Republican party, he appears to be it now.
However, my primary point was to point out the hypocrisy of those who say do as I say, don’t do as I do. And, yes, this applies to some liberals and Democrats.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:19 pm“… collectivism and nationalization …”
I really don’t think anyone wants to nationalize certain failing businesses. However, if the U.S. bails them out with billions of taxpayer dollars, I think that taxpayers should receive an equity interest.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:22 pm“I’ve got an idea. Let’s shut the minority out of the negotiating process for a trillion dollar porkfest and then blame them when the inevitable train wreck occurs. Sound good?”
I don’t know if sounds good, but it sounds like what happened over the last eight years when Bush, the train conductor, fell asleep.
And, I have no doubts that the minority will get a big share of the “pork,” except for virtuous governors like the one from South Carolina. I have no doubt he will turn it all down, as will all the other Republicans who are so outraged.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:27 pm“The Dem’s own this catastrophe.”
Really. It certainly was dumped on the Dems. But, everyone will end up paying for it.
The Dems might be more receptive of the Repubs ideas it they were not the same old tired ones that got us into this mess.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:31 pmDavid R., it is amusing how you continue to avoid facing the reality of what Obama is currently actually doing.
You whine about how much Bush added to our debt, but ignore that Obama will add double. You whine about short memories but evidently can’t recall what is happening this very week. Evidently you are happier living in the past.
You really are a pretty incompetent troll.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:31 pmSomeone needs to remind DR that the GOP majority in Congress ended over two-years ago.
AD - RtR/OS (0aa9c4) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:37 pmEverything since the opeing gavel following the ’06 election is on the Dems, courtesy of Nancy and Harry!
I don’t know if sounds good, but it sounds like what happened over the last eight years when Bush, the train conductor, fell asleep.
Note to you David. The people on this board are aware of who controls congress and has since the 06 election. If you can point me to any example where Rep’s shut out the minority from spending negotiations, I’ll happily concede the point. Same with the filibuster. What Obama-Pelosi initiative has been filibustered?
And no one is defending Bush that I can see. I also don’t recall him attacking Clinton over the recession in 2001 either. But keep blaming Bush. As I mentioned earlier, at some point ownership will be assigned regardless.
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:39 pmAD – RtR/OS – Why don’t you do it? Now, I will remind you that a Republican President with the power of the veto, and a Republican senate minority had an even stronger filibuster capability, were there for the past two years.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:44 pm“… at some point ownership will be assigned regardless.”
How true. But give Obama a reasonable amount of time (i.e., greater than 58 days) to try to address some of the problems he inherited.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:48 pm#233
So the Republican President and the Republican minority are to blame for not stopping the Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. Weren’t you just complaining about Republicans being obstructionists? Now they are to blame because they weren’t?
Machinist (c5fc28) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:51 pmDavid R., the bottom line remains that you have pointed the finger at Bush’s deficits while ignoring that Obama plans to nearly double them.
That’s what Obama is actually doing now to “address” problems. Making what you claim was the problem actually worse.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:53 pm“So the Republican President and the Republican minority are to blame for not stopping the Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. Weren’t you just complaining about Republicans being obstructionists? Now they are to blame because they weren’t?”
Not stopping them from doing what? What is it that you think they did? This should be good. Is that what you got from my post?
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:54 pmDavid R., you really are not very good at this “debate” thingee you were coming here to teach us.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:55 pmBut give Obama a reasonable amount of time (i.e., greater than 58 days) to try to address some of the problems he inherited.
You’re making the false assumption that he hasn’t already made things much worse. The guy has a tremendous amount of goodwill but he’s depleted it rapidly. Coach K nailed it when he says focus on the economy. That would preclude things like, oh, cap and trade, to pull just one boondoggle out of the hat. You might add in doing Leno.
Obama had all the time he needed or wanted. Don’t blame the minority for the fact that he’s crashed and burned in 50 days.
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:55 pmThree, out four, of your ideas involve tax cuts. Trickle down turned out to be trickle on. Give it a rest.
So even though you asked and were answered, you continue on with your spleen – fest, unabated.
Fuck off.
Dmac (49b16c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:56 pmI don’t think Obama plans to double the debt. (Hopefully, even you don’t believe that.) I think that the debt may reach that figure by doing what is necessary to dig us out of this hole. There is a big difference.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 6:57 pmDavid R., so you didn’t bother to read the news articles on Obama’s budget proposal?
Yep, intentional ignorance. That will impress us.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:00 pm“The guy has a tremendous amount of goodwill but he’s depleted it rapidly.”
Really. In only 58 days. I don’t see any rapid depletion. And, doing Leno has hurt him further?
Now here is a huge steamy pile of crap – “Obama had all the time he needed or wanted.”
You just crossed over into full-fledged idiot status.
50 days is enough for you. Even an idiot such as yourself can’t really mean this. Why bother to have a four year term. Let’s kick each new President out after 50 days. That should be all the time he/she needs or wants.
As much as you want him out (and this is a pretty strong indication), he is President for at least four years. Accept it. Get used to it.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:04 pm“That will impress us.”
Oh, ya. That’s what I am interested in. Impressing you.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:05 pm#198 Comment by David R — 3/19/2009 @ 5:23 pm
Pons Asinorum – Have you actually read any of the responses to my posts? Start at #55 when I jumped in to this stimulating attack on Obama and his 59-day old presidency. Then check #175.
I have read all of your posts (including #122, that disgusting piece where you used the death of those poor children with such callousness — followed by your subsequent apology) and there responses.
Your generalizations and stereotypes abound. Your intellectual dishonesty is apparent. Your arguments boiled down to: “if Bush can do it, Obama can do it even more, and it is still Bush’s fault”. You did not cite any sources, your facts were in error and you were quite rude.
I did miss one thing though. The insecurity in your political beliefs is showing. Particularly after one of your talking points is shredded — you enter into rants about how evil half your fellow citizens are, followed by personal insults — and avoid answering any logical challenges. Sounds like you know something is wrong; just cannot quite see beyond Bush.
In a way, your rants are engaging. It’s kinda like you’ve been told the world is flat and there is nothing beyond Bush — everything is his fault. You sorta know that is not quite right, but lack the intellectual courage to evaluate other beliefs in a genuine fashion.
Pons Asinorum (11a0ef) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:06 pmSPQR – You truly are ignorant. There is a big difference between planning to raise the debt and having to raise the debt to get us out of trouble. I don’t think that even Bush planned to raise the debt.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:08 pmThe Dems might be more receptive of the Repubs ideas it they were not the same old tired ones that got us into this mess.
Oh, but they must be quite entranced by Republican ideas, assuming that George Bush’s never-say-no policy regarding bloated budgets can be defined as “Republican,” since the most absurd and empty-headed type of spendthrift budgetmaking in 2009 is being sponsored by Obama’s White House, Nancy Pelosi’s House of Reps and Harry Reid’s Senate.
Full stereo-surroundsound of idiocy, if you will.
As for history that predates America in its current Banana-Republic phase, I will admit the biggest blunders of Republican administrations over the past 30 years have occurred when a non-liberal president legislated more like a liberal, more like a Democrat, instead of a common-sense conservative. I’m referring to Ronald Reagan apparently getting sappy behind closed doors and — going against his publicly stated policy — secretly negotiating with hostage-taking Iran, George Bush I, after telling everyone to read his lips, raising taxes, and his son being too much the go-along-to-get-along enabler to Congressional budgets full of red ink.
So now that there’s a flat-out, out-and-out, 100%, 1,000%, 100,000% liberal — if not “Goddamn America” leftwinger — in the White House, we’re going to see those moments of weakness or foolishness that unfortunately struck even administrations of rightist bent, on full display, on full tilt.
Mark (411533) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:08 pm“… this “debate” thingee you were coming here to teach us.
I have already pointed out that trying to teach you anything is futile. I am here for the entertainment value.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:10 pmAh, but you don’t have any entertainment value, David R., as you really are not very highly ranked among the trolls we’ve seen.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:11 pmBy the way, David R., this comment of yours:
“There is a big difference between planning to raise the debt and having to raise the debt to get us out of trouble. ”
Shows an extraordinary amount of ignorance of the reason for our current economic problems, and an astounding ignorance of just what it is that all the new debt from Obama is about. Hint: Democratic pork does not get us “out” of any trouble.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:12 pmMark – Wow. Even all of the Republican presidents in the last 30 years were too liberal for you. Who do want?
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:13 pmSPQR – I yield to your wisdom. Taxes breaks for the rich will do it.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:14 pm“.. really are not very highly ranked among the trolls we’ve seen.”
Ouch. That really hurts. Not ranked high by a bunch of conservative losers. Oh, woe is me.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:16 pmDavid R., you really have no idea what is going on in the global economy. Cluelessness like yours is why we have Democrats running with pitchforks to storm the castle that they were trying to keep from falling just last week.
Ignorance like yours is why Obama thinks pretending to be shocked at AIG bonuses will convince the gullible like yourself.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:17 pmDavid R,
In addition to the thigh-highs and heels, could I get you to put on a blonde wig and some lipstick for me?
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:17 pmDavid,
Ad hominem is not your friend. It may make you feel better but the end result is not pretty. Don’t conflate my feelings, one way or the other, with my description of the political landscape. I say Obama had limitless goodwill and you suggest I was never willing to give him a chance. I knew early on what his economic prescriptions would entail and I’ve even been shocked with the rapidity of the destruction. I also knew that most people weren’t aware, thus the goodwill.
I’m wasting my breath and will not engage you further. You are clearly “all-in” and not amnable to any suasion. Notice you’re not being attacked. Now rage on.
Chris (a24890) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:19 pmI am here for the entertainment value.
Comment by David R — 3/19/2009 @ 7:10 pm
Me too. Can you put on some crotchless panties and do a pole dance? There’s a buck in it for you.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:19 pmI suggest that none of guys turn your back on nk. He seems to be a strange little conservative, but maybe not so rare.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:19 pmAnyone who thinks that Bush’s deficits are what caused the collapses of French, Dutch, Belgian, Irish, and Icelandic banks is just showing the kind of stupidity that got Obama the empty suit elected.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:21 pmYes. The Icelandic bank was the tipping point.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:22 pmEven all of the Republican presidents in the last 30 years were too liberal for you.
In terms of the their biggest blunders, yep, such things did occur when they gave in to their touchy-feely or no-common-sense sides. But since you claim you’re neither a liberal or conservative, or a Democrat or Republican, I’m not sure how you may define “liberal.” I’m going to guess and bet you consider yourself a “progressive,” or an independent with a lot of left-leaning tendencies.
Mark (411533) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:22 pmYou are ignorant of the current state of the Icelandic banking system too, David?
I’m not surprised.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:23 pmChris – Give the guy more than 50 days. If it doesn’t work out, then let the voters decide.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:24 pmSPQR – Yes, I must confess, the Icelandic bank has been low on my radar.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:25 pm#237
I suspect you are not interested in legitimate discussion and will troll off on some tangent but I will make one try in the interest of giving the benefit of a doubt. The President can not spend money without legal authorization. Any spending bill must originate in the House, be passed in the House, and be passed by the Senate before the President even has an opportunity to sign it. If we spent too much after 2006 it was the Democrats that spent it, not Bush. This is why Clinton was forced to approach a balanced budget though he claimed it was bad for the country.
Machinist (c5fc28) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:25 pmI suggest that none of guys turn your back on nk. He seems to be a strange little conservative, but maybe not so rare.
Comment by David R — 3/19/2009 @ 7:19 pm
I’m only curious about your cute little heinie, David. Do you prefer Vaseline or KY Jelly?
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:30 pmDavid R., your ignorance comes from listening to Democratic talking points. The Icelandic banking collapse illustrates that the credit crunch was a global phenomenon unrelated to the deficits of the Bush administration or the faux “deregulation” that Obama and his cronies want to blame.
We’ve seen huge European banks collapse in regulatory environments tighter than the US’. Collapses that occurred because of systemic features of the banking industry that do not have any GOP fingerprints on them.
Grow up, David R., because your juvenile prattling is old and tiresome.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:30 pmMachinist – OK. I think I got it now. The decrease in debt during the Clinton administration was due to Republicans. And, the increase in debt during the Bush administration was due to the Democrats. Very interesting.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:32 pmDavid R., there was no decrease in debt over the terms of the Clinton administration.
You really don’t have any clue about the US’ finances do you?
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:35 pmWell kids. This has been fun. It was like a field trip to Geniusville. Thanks for your hospitality, except that nk guy. He’s a little too friendly and too spooky. But I am sure that he is very popular on this site. I promise to work on my stuff so that I can earn a higher troll rating. President Obama until at least 2012, four more years if we are all lucky.
David R (69d23c) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:42 pmDavid R. #188,
It’s a minor point but while I did comment earlier, comment #186 was not mine.
Anon (eb4fed) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:43 pmDavid R., good idea. Run off before you say anything more as ignorant as you have so far.
If you think that the national debt decreased over the Clinton administration, then you are the prototypical Obama voter.
SPQR (26be8b) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:44 pmWell kids. This has been fun. It was like a field trip to Geniusville. Thanks for your hospitality, except that nk guy. He’s a little too friendly and too spooky. But I am sure that he is very popular on this site. I promise to work on my stuff so that I can earn a higher troll rating. President Obama until at least 2012, four more years if we are all lucky.
Comment by David R — 3/19/2009 @ 7:42 pm
Please don’t go. We’ll eat you up. We love you so.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 7:58 pmDavid R said:
“… this “debate” thingee you were coming here to teach us.
I have already pointed out that trying to teach you anything is futile. I am here for the entertainment value.
And, at last, we get to enjoy the truth. You stupid, little, infantile nothing.
I tried to help and I got it thrown back in my face.
Everyone at Kos will have a big laugh.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:00 pmDon’t feel badly, Ag80. I have a feeling you will be reading the poster again soon, under a different name. I was getting ready to see a post end with “Hysterical,” or see the word “whine” used too many times in a thread.
More seriously, why would anyone post just to pick fights and insult people? Troof to Powder? Wally Cox/Walter Mitty Syndrome in its tertiary stages?
I found your attempts to educate whoever that David R. person actually was interesting…not because of his immature and snide responses, but to see how you (and some other posters) were thinking. I learned some things. Thus, despite the irritating trollery, it was worthwhile to me.
I appreciate your time and effort, even if the TdJ did not.
Eric Blair (8d54e0) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:23 pmI dunno, Eric, maybe it was just my sciatica … but reading David R’s comments I felt a tingle up my leg.
nk (0a1ba0) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:26 pmEric:
Thanks.
I don’t know why, but I do try to engage people who may disagree with me. I try to learn some things, but they always seem to go off on the same old tired tropes.
But, I do like the commentators here. It’s why I keep coming back.
Ag80 (d205da) — 3/19/2009 @ 8:46 pm