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		<title>By: Patterico&#39;s Pontifications &#187; Jeff Goldstein&#8217;s Views of Language Will NOT Prevent You from Being Misinterpreted</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-596702</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#39;s Pontifications &#187; Jeff Goldstein&#8217;s Views of Language Will NOT Prevent You from Being Misinterpreted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is: &#8220;Interpreters should try to divine the speaker’s true intent.&#8221; I have made this crystal clear on more than one occasion, and Goldstein knows it. Here&#8217;s another sample from March 2009: Communication is a two-way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is: &#8220;Interpreters should try to divine the speaker’s true intent.&#8221; I have made this crystal clear on more than one occasion, and Goldstein knows it. Here&#8217;s another sample from March 2009: Communication is a two-way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Giving and Taking Offense: A Boy and His Dog</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-522058</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Giving and Taking Offense: A Boy and His Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue of responsibility for the meaning of words, misinterpretation, and giving offense. Thanks to Craig R. Harmon and Jeff Goldstein in comments for the precursors to these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issue of responsibility for the meaning of words, misinterpretation, and giving offense. Thanks to Craig R. Harmon and Jeff Goldstein in comments for the precursors to these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.,</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473195</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daleyrocks,
Agreed. My head was hurting too much to continue anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daleyrocks,<br />
Agreed. My head was hurting too much to continue anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473136</link>
		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradley - I&#039;m done on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradley &#8211; I&#8217;m done on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: boris</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473131</link>
		<dc:creator>boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I disagree that the crime rate would go down.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your interpretaion is correct in the context you put it but it assumes Bennet&#039;s hypothetical was based on forced abortion rather than voluntary. You ought to be aware of the original eugenics intent behind Planned Parenthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>I disagree that the crime rate would go down.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Your interpretaion is correct in the context you put it but it assumes Bennet&#8217;s hypothetical was based on forced abortion rather than voluntary. You ought to be aware of the original eugenics intent behind Planned Parenthood.</p>
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		<title>By: boris</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473127</link>
		<dc:creator>boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bennet&#039;s point was that the morality of abortion should not be judged by actual social benefit or harm or even an intended benefit. His choice of example, a hypothetical benefit that&#039;s obviously immoral, was poor. The hypotheticl benefit was insignificant in comparison so the point was lost.

It is an important point however.

Obama&#039;s policies are wrong for America regardless of their immediate effect on unemployment. Which is why wanting them to fail is not about wanting more unemployment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bennet&#8217;s point was that the morality of abortion should not be judged by actual social benefit or harm or even an intended benefit. His choice of example, a hypothetical benefit that&#8217;s obviously immoral, was poor. The hypotheticl benefit was insignificant in comparison so the point was lost.</p>
<p>It is an important point however.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s policies are wrong for America regardless of their immediate effect on unemployment. Which is why wanting them to fail is not about wanting more unemployment.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473126</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daleyrocks,
I read the article you linked to, and it did not address my argument. I perfectly well understand that Bennett was not literally calling for the abortions of all blacks, and never said he did.

What I objected to was the incorrect premise behind Bennett&#039;s statement that, if your sole purpose was to reduce crime, you could do that by aborting all blacks. Bennett says such a policy would be impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible, but the crime rate would go down.

&lt;b&gt;I disagree that the crime rate would go down.&lt;/b&gt;

I say such a policy would increase crime, because it would be a massive human rights violation that only a criminal, totalitarian state could enact. And certainly, others besides blacks would have to be deprived of human rights to make such a hideous policy work. To accept Bennett&#039;s statement, even for the sake of argument, you have to overlook all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daleyrocks,<br />
I read the article you linked to, and it did not address my argument. I perfectly well understand that Bennett was not literally calling for the abortions of all blacks, and never said he did.</p>
<p>What I objected to was the incorrect premise behind Bennett&#8217;s statement that, if your sole purpose was to reduce crime, you could do that by aborting all blacks. Bennett says such a policy would be impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible, but the crime rate would go down.</p>
<p><b>I disagree that the crime rate would go down.</b></p>
<p>I say such a policy would increase crime, because it would be a massive human rights violation that only a criminal, totalitarian state could enact. And certainly, others besides blacks would have to be deprived of human rights to make such a hideous policy work. To accept Bennett&#8217;s statement, even for the sake of argument, you have to overlook all this.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473122</link>
		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradley - Jeff Goldstein wrote extensively on the subject at the time.  Here is an excerpt:

&quot; Bennett was careful to note that the hypothetical in question was morally reprehensible—and in fact used it to argue against utilitarian rationalizations for moral problems (a stand that implicitly rejects statistics-based racialist arguments)—but that important qualification was left out of many media representations of his quote, which allowed those who wished to embarrass Bennett to call him out.  In this case, Bennett clearly was aware of how his words might be used, but that awareness could not prevent misuse.  For Bennett to have avoided the “major failing” politechnical identifies, he would have had to avoid the subject altogether.  And to do so is to trade intellectualism for the kind of circumspection that has the practical effect of chilling free speech.&quot; 

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=5343</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradley &#8211; Jeff Goldstein wrote extensively on the subject at the time.  Here is an excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8221; Bennett was careful to note that the hypothetical in question was morally reprehensible—and in fact used it to argue against utilitarian rationalizations for moral problems (a stand that implicitly rejects statistics-based racialist arguments)—but that important qualification was left out of many media representations of his quote, which allowed those who wished to embarrass Bennett to call him out.  In this case, Bennett clearly was aware of how his words might be used, but that awareness could not prevent misuse.  For Bennett to have avoided the “major failing” politechnical identifies, he would have had to avoid the subject altogether.  And to do so is to trade intellectualism for the kind of circumspection that has the practical effect of chilling free speech.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=5343" rel="nofollow">http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=5343</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig R. Harmon</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473117</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig R. Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glasnost #96,

&lt;blockquote&gt;“we should explain ourselves if we think it will work”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is the position that I take. I dislike the &quot;reasonable&quot; interpretation or reader test because each reader considers his or her interpretation as reasonable. Calling someone&#039;s interpretation unreasonable simply insults the other. Either explain or agree to disagree and leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glasnost #96,</p>
<blockquote><p>“we should explain ourselves if we think it will work”</p></blockquote>
<p>That is the position that I take. I dislike the &#8220;reasonable&#8221; interpretation or reader test because each reader considers his or her interpretation as reasonable. Calling someone&#8217;s interpretation unreasonable simply insults the other. Either explain or agree to disagree and leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/14/what-words-mean/comment-page-3/#comment-473111</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, daleyrocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, daleyrocks.</p>
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