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	<title>Comments on: Kathy Kelly Retracts</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-478359</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least some people are kind enough to confront and ask for a retraction before taking any action.   

But wouldn&#039;t the advice be to think before you type?  Speaking and typing are quite different.  All of us are prone to &quot;slips of the keyboard&quot; that we later regret, that would most likely never slip past our lips in conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least some people are kind enough to confront and ask for a retraction before taking any action.   </p>
<p>But wouldn&#8217;t the advice be to think before you type?  Speaking and typing are quite different.  All of us are prone to &#8220;slips of the keyboard&#8221; that we later regret, that would most likely never slip past our lips in conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-477606</link>
		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks nk, so it&#039;s even broader than I had thought.  Much obliged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks nk, so it&#8217;s even broader than I had thought.  Much obliged.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-477560</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is simple, Stashiu.  It&#039;s not &quot;represented party&quot;.  It&#039;s &quot;represented party-opponent&quot;.  That&#039;s the whole rule.

If you&#039;re not representing a party, you can talk to a party as though you were a milkman and not a lawyer.  And if you are representing a party, you can talk to any non-party, including your opposing party&#039;s witnesses, as though you were their Aunt Fanny calling to see if the baby got over its colic.  As a matter of fact, in criminal cases at least, it is unethical for an attorney to advise his witnesses not to talk to the opposing side.
 
I suspect TH Mahig is a graduate of The Radley Balko School of Law where they teach them to &quot;speak legalese&quot; but not understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is simple, Stashiu.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;represented party&#8221;.  It&#8217;s &#8220;represented party-opponent&#8221;.  That&#8217;s the whole rule.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not representing a party, you can talk to a party as though you were a milkman and not a lawyer.  And if you are representing a party, you can talk to any non-party, including your opposing party&#8217;s witnesses, as though you were their Aunt Fanny calling to see if the baby got over its colic.  As a matter of fact, in criminal cases at least, it is unethical for an attorney to advise his witnesses not to talk to the opposing side.</p>
<p>I suspect TH Mahig is a graduate of The Radley Balko School of Law where they teach them to &#8220;speak legalese&#8221; but not understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-477549</link>
		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TH Makeig,

I would suggest emailing Patterico because this thread is mostly dead and your question may not get noticed.  My very limited understanding (I am not a lawyer, but I&#039;ve followed the thread and links) is that as long as the blogger is not representing anyone involved, they are acting as a private citizen/journalist.  It would be much wiser to ask Patterico however... I&#039;m a nurse.

His email is &quot;Patterico&quot; at gmail dot com.  (stupid spambots will target any actual address... even in the comments.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TH Makeig,</p>
<p>I would suggest emailing Patterico because this thread is mostly dead and your question may not get noticed.  My very limited understanding (I am not a lawyer, but I&#8217;ve followed the thread and links) is that as long as the blogger is not representing anyone involved, they are acting as a private citizen/journalist.  It would be much wiser to ask Patterico however&#8230; I&#8217;m a nurse.</p>
<p>His email is &#8220;Patterico&#8221; at gmail dot com.  (stupid spambots will target any actual address&#8230; even in the comments.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: TH Makeig</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-477540</link>
		<dc:creator>TH Makeig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An underlying question does not seem to have been directly addressed: Are there any ethical limitations on a member of the bar interviewing represented persons when the member is engaged in blogging or other journalism and does not represent a party involved in the case? If the member is acting as a lawyer, every state forbids direct contact, so that the lawyer must communicate only through counsel or with counsel&#039;s consent. If the lawyer can doff his/her coif and just be a journalist (albeit a journalist very well informed about the law), then no legal ethics question arises. I, and any conscientious lawyer-blogger, would appreciate a well-reasoned answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An underlying question does not seem to have been directly addressed: Are there any ethical limitations on a member of the bar interviewing represented persons when the member is engaged in blogging or other journalism and does not represent a party involved in the case? If the member is acting as a lawyer, every state forbids direct contact, so that the lawyer must communicate only through counsel or with counsel&#8217;s consent. If the lawyer can doff his/her coif and just be a journalist (albeit a journalist very well informed about the law), then no legal ethics question arises. I, and any conscientious lawyer-blogger, would appreciate a well-reasoned answer.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-468836</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is, if you get a letter from a lawyer and not a summons from a process-server, all you have to fear is fear itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is, if you get a letter from a lawyer and not a summons from a process-server, all you have to fear is fear itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-468833</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, it’s not.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe you have never been to Philadelphia.

Actually, my Dad wasn&#039;t even there - but the car he once owned was. That was enough for four years of persistent letters from multiple lawyers who tied him to a hit and run because he was once associated with the car and he actually exists.

And that is just one story. There are others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, it’s not.</i></p>
<p>Maybe you have never been to Philadelphia.</p>
<p>Actually, my Dad wasn&#8217;t even there &#8211; but the car he once owned was. That was enough for four years of persistent letters from multiple lawyers who tied him to a hit and run because he was once associated with the car and he actually exists.</p>
<p>And that is just one story. There are others.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-468748</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The threatening letter is standard procedure for lawyers.&lt;/i&gt;

No, it&#039;s not.  It&#039;s the fringes.  A good lawyer who has a good case just files a complaint and has a summons served.  I loved having the defendant&#039;s attorney call and say &quot;Make a demand&quot; and me saying &quot;It&#039;s in my prayer for relief&quot;.

&lt;i&gt;I’m sensitive to this because I recently had to counter threaten a lawyer with harassment charges to get him to leave my 80s dad alone.&lt;/i&gt;

You could just throw the letters in the garbage?  I did have one attorney who told me she was genuinely offended that I never responded to her cease and desist letter, but we were able to deal with each other courteously and professionally after she filed suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The threatening letter is standard procedure for lawyers.</i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s the fringes.  A good lawyer who has a good case just files a complaint and has a summons served.  I loved having the defendant&#8217;s attorney call and say &#8220;Make a demand&#8221; and me saying &#8220;It&#8217;s in my prayer for relief&#8221;.</p>
<p><i>I’m sensitive to this because I recently had to counter threaten a lawyer with harassment charges to get him to leave my 80s dad alone.</i></p>
<p>You could just throw the letters in the garbage?  I did have one attorney who told me she was genuinely offended that I never responded to her cease and desist letter, but we were able to deal with each other courteously and professionally after she filed suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The threatening letter is standard procedure for lawyers. There was never any chance of her threat succeeding and she knew it. She said she was wrong - well that&#039;s nice. But what she did that was wrong was to deliberately make a spurious threat. And she, along with just about every lawyer in the universe, thinks that is ethical. Patterico has a big megaphone, so she apologized - for being wrong about her point, as if she actually ever believed it. But she and others do what she still thinks is ethical every day with impunity. They basically have a license to abuse the public.

I&#039;m sensitive to this because I recently had to counter threaten a lawyer with harassment charges to get him to leave my 80s dad alone.

Patterico - if you care about this, can you organize a team of lawyers to handle threatening letters sent to chumps like my dad, pro bono? Or at least have a site where their letters can be posted for all to see the garbage they say is the law? Now that would actually make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The threatening letter is standard procedure for lawyers. There was never any chance of her threat succeeding and she knew it. She said she was wrong &#8211; well that&#8217;s nice. But what she did that was wrong was to deliberately make a spurious threat. And she, along with just about every lawyer in the universe, thinks that is ethical. Patterico has a big megaphone, so she apologized &#8211; for being wrong about her point, as if she actually ever believed it. But she and others do what she still thinks is ethical every day with impunity. They basically have a license to abuse the public.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sensitive to this because I recently had to counter threaten a lawyer with harassment charges to get him to leave my 80s dad alone.</p>
<p>Patterico &#8211; if you care about this, can you organize a team of lawyers to handle threatening letters sent to chumps like my dad, pro bono? Or at least have a site where their letters can be posted for all to see the garbage they say is the law? Now that would actually make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: the imbroglio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blog with care</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/03/04/kathy-kelly-retracts/comment-page-1/#comment-468433</link>
		<dc:creator>the imbroglio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blog with care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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