Patterico's Pontifications

2/17/2009

Paging David Neiwert

Filed under: General,Scum — Patterico @ 12:48 am

Mark Ames:

[T]here’s still time to prove that you’re not passive, pathetic serfs. That’s right Americans, here’s your chance to prove that you’re not slaves, that you won’t just sit there and take it when they steal from you. We know who stole everything from you. They don’t even hide—they’re all over the TV networks, bragging, strutting, laughing at you. We know where they work, and we know what they look like. They’re literally asking for it. Shouldn’t you, Americans, with your guns and your high and mighty talk about how you protect your rights and your property and your families—shouldn’t you, like, do something? They’re responsible for throwing you out of work, out of your house, bankrupting your retirement, destroying your life and your family and everything you’ve worked for. And they don’t even hide it! So, what’re you gonna do about it? Sit there and complain? Call another fucking rightwing radio talkshow and kvetch like an old Jewish grandmother? Do you have any fucking balls left at all?

There are so many deserving targets out there—or rather, let’s call them “opportunities” out there to prove that you’re not the world’s biggest suckers and most passive, pathetic slaves that the planet has ever hosted. I’ll give you one, a real shocker. Her name is Betsy McCaughey . . .

[Ames proceeds to explain that McCaughey opposes socialized medicine -- although the way Ames puts it is: "BETSY MCCAUGHEY WANTS TO KILL YOU IN ORDER TO ENRICH HERSELF."]

So, here is what I’m going to ask readers: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE BETSY MCCAUGHEY LIVES? DOES ANYONE KNOW HER HOME ADDRESS? If you do, please send it to us and we’ll publish it. Then Americans can prove to Russians that they are not slaves, they do not sit back passively and allow themselves to be killed by vampires like McCaughey. Americans fight back, right? We’ll see. Send your information on her address to: ames@exiledonline.com

Mr. Neiwert? Is this eliminationist rhetoric?

Care to weigh in?

Bueller? Bueller?

(Thanks to Well-Armed Lamb.)

UPDATE: Here is from comment #8 to Ames’s post:

Timmy, don’t be such a pansy. What all decent people want to see right now is these rich fucks being dragged out of their mansions by a mob, shitting and pissing themselves with terror, then being shot with their blood and brains blasting over the snow. Then watching it again and again on Youtube with your mates. Fuck criminal charges. Preach on, Brother Mark.

Comment #27:

Drag her into the streets and burn her. Once everyone sees one of them getting it, the other 60,000 who lost their jobs the other week can get to work on the rest of em.

We’re getting closer and closer to that elusive leftist eliminationist rhetoric . . .

123 Responses to “Paging David Neiwert”

  1. Speaking of eliminationism: there’s been some clamor for me to provide examples from the Jawa Report of people calling for death.
    I went back to the item that I had recalled reading there (it as about the Bilal Hussein case) and discovered that all comments have been deleted. Probably a good move for them, as theres a lot of pretty gruesome macho insecurity on display there.
    Still, I hung around long enough to find some more of what I was talking about, like this comment about a Canadian sniper shown on YouTube killing an Afghan (although some debate erupted as to whether he was actually wielding the .50 caliber against a prairie dog):

    “This Newfie took all kinds of Abuse from the libs in Canada…he was offered spot in the USArmy but turned it down. I think he settled in Edmonton.

    Actually could be well employed killing the enemy at home.
    canuck Homepage |Tuesday, February 17, 2009 – 3:54:01 AM | #”

    Does anyone doubt we could find dozens like this on that hilarious collection of paranoia and insecurity known as the Jawa Report?

    As for LGF. I’ll take a look over there to see if I can dig out the comments I was referring to…

    Hax Vobiscum (edacf7)

  2. Holy crap.

    That’s criminal. And dangerous.

    P (df860b)

  3. Hax, you ignorant slut.

    You pick a few of many comments NOT by the authors of a conservative site, and ignore the bile spewed by the authors/owners of the liberal sites.

    Someone should beat you more sensless than you already are with the biggest cluebat they can find.

    Dr. K (24b8da)

  4. Hax intentionally misses the point. And note how it fled from where it was being requested to substantiate its charges, and immediately attempts to distract from this example of Leftist asshattery.

    JD (acbb4c)

  5. Scratch a lefty and underneath is a Stalinist dreaming of firing bullets into heads in basements. For people’s BELIEFS. Unbelievable.

    Peg C. (48175e)

  6. If I may be so bold as to assert that the left in general and the far left in particular has always been about death. Whether it be about rioting, abortion, supporting radicalism like Castro, Chavez, Hamas, Hezbollah, or the kind of crap that Patterico points to, it is all about death and destruction of any and all that don’t hew to the party line.

    Peace Comrade!

    GM Roper who wants DRJ back (d53336)

  7. Hax intentionally misses the point.

    That seems to be his raison d’être. Do you feel chastened yet?

    Pablo (99243e)

  8. That’s Matt Taibbi’s crazy pal, back at the exile, pining for the return of Communism. Revolutionary excess to prevent counter revolution is always warranted; you know this, don’t you Eric.

    narciso (57971e)

  9. Comment by Dr. K — 2/17/2009 @ 4:52 am

    Uh, oh. I’m feeling incited….

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  10. Holy Crap! Warped asshat.

    J. Raymond Wright (e8d0ca)

  11. Based on the time stamps I think Hax posted that himself over at Jawa.

    kaf (16e0b5)

  12. So let’s see, Hax goes to Jawa in the middle of the night (at a time when presumably the host might be sleeping), and finds (or writes?) a post advocating killing of the “enemy at home.”

    And this is the best he can come up with? The equivalent of midnight graffiti?

    Oh, yeah, and the “all the comments have been deleted” (assuming they every existed) is kind-of a give away that the site doesn’t condone comments of that type. Right?

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  13. That site also has a moderation program that requires a comment be approved before posted. What that means legally, I don’t know. But every single violent comment that we can see has been through a moderator who didn’t find anything wrong with publishing it.

    Newtons.Bit (489fda)

  14. Speaking of eliminationism: there’s been some clamor for me to provide examples from the Jawa Report of people calling for death.

    Seriously, Patterico, can we start smacking this idiot for missing the point so entirely?

    This kind of stupidity should, in a just world, cause pain on the part of the idiot.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  15. The equivalent of midnight graffiti?

    Hacks? Is that you, Hacks?

    Pablo (99243e)

  16. That is just terrible rhetoric. If the economy continues like this, this kind of bs could get worse. In the ’30′s there were rampaging mobs in cities and rural eras against foreclosure officials and certainly a lot of populist talk about taking on the rich people who kept taking farms, etc. Of course, that followed the tragic spectacle of the Bonus Army and its unfortunate end.

    That economic meltdown was ten times what this one is, and let’s hope it ends soon. Meanwhile, I’d like to get a Hazmat team over to his comments section. He makes the Blackfive comment set look like estrogen-seeping pacifists! What a bunch of nutters.

    timb (a83d56)

  17. The comforting thought I have when I read rhetoric like that above is that these left wingers are the gun banners. They don’t know about guns and nasty stuff like punching somebody in the nose, let alone dragging them out of their house. This is the fantasy of the nancy boy who dreams about these terrible things after the bully has taken away his new hat.

    After I read that stuff yesterday, I sent Ames an e-mail telling him what I thought of him. We’ll see if there is a reply. These people are fantasizing. Now they might be able to stimulate some retard to actually attack some grandmother but the guys shouting about violence are hiding behind the keyboard.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  18. Hax did a good job of distracting from the main point, again. His post is not worth responding to.

    But on point, this is a very sick post. I saw it yesterday and emailed Ms. Ross to take a look at it. This is not a representative of the liberals I know. But these people are out there, and part of the problem these days is that the left has tried too hard to make disagreeing with them ‘evil’ rather than simply having an opinion.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  19. One of the problems I have with the “I hope Obama fails” crowd is that the alternative to Obama isn’t necessarily a Republican. It could well be the radical Left like these clowns. Paging Huey Long.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  20. Is that guy a schizophrenic or something?

    Someone better at making money than you is stealing if they don’t give it to you or your nannystate?

    SarahW (fdd722)

  21. Well, Kevin, I really don’t think that this kind of thing is very likely to get someone elected, but will admit that Obama is better than this. However, I very very much want Obama to fail in achieving what I think is a terrible agenda.

    I think this kind of speech is designed to chill dissenting speech. These idiots don’t realize that they are not the resistance. They have a radical leftist in power who loves domestic terrorists who make G Gordon Liddy look like George Washington. There has been no more radical leftist president in this nation’s history. His deficit spending and his treatment of the press is extreme and serious. so like I say, these crazies on the internet are no longer the resistance. They are el Presidente’s macho goons, stomping on the dissent.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  22. They are el Presidente’s macho goons, stomping on the dissent.

    Can you say “Brown Shirts” anyone?

    Mike Myers (674050)

  23. With green collars, though, Mike.

    Dan Collins (4dc2da)

  24. We won. Now we get to burn Betsy McCaughey in the street.

    Neat how that works. The left is pathetic, except when they’re in power. Then they’re dangerous to society.

    Chris (b886a5)

  25. (I’m keeping the collard greens joke in reserve, because it’s racisty).

    Dan Collins (4dc2da)

  26. Hack actually cites to the video of varmint shooting of marmots in the mountains which has been erroneously marked at sniping of Taliban ( and debunked far and wide ) as evidence of a completely unrelated claim he made.

    That ought to put paid to any notion that Hack has any credibility at all. Pure troll.

    SPQR (72771e)

  27. One of the problems I have with the “I hope Obama fails” crowd is that the alternative to Obama isn’t necessarily a Republican.

    You misstate the issue. Those who want Obama to fail are mostly talking about his agenda, not the country and how it does. I don’t think the stimulus bill will do anything positive. You know what ? Most of the public agrees with me. What is going on now in California is what we can expect in another few years of Democrat rule of the country.

    When I am optimistic, I believe that the Democrats will lose Congress next year and we will have a repeat of the Clinton presidency. When I’m pessimistic, I think we will have a repeat of the Carter presidency.

    Somebody once said, “Socialism means a permanent recession.”

    Mike K (2cf494)

  28. Juan, sorry to disagree, but, as acard-carrying liberal/ACLU sort, I’d be pretty disappointed in Obama if I expected a liberal savior (instead of the centrist I saw him during the campaign).

    I mean, after all, there’s no repudiation of the expanded use of the state secrets doctrine, the TARP money will still flow with little accountability, the stimulus package was too small and contained far too many tax cuts, there is no mention investigation into the alleged extra-legal excesses of the Bush administration, CEO pay caps (for people taking my money) were hopelessly watered down by the administration (before being pumped up by the Congressional Dems), and he didn’t immediately reverse the stem cells rules.

    At least, so far, that’s what irks me. We’re talking about a guy who supposedly is some sort of radical, according to Sean Hannity and Juan, but so far, all I get is a return of competence in process (which reverses the terrible trend of the “decider” ruling from the gut). I wanted some actual leftism and I get a re-do of the AMT? From the “most radical” President evah? From Sacco and Vanzetti in a suit? A Harvard educated Eugene Debbs?

    Give me a break. The guy’s left of center at best.

    Nonetheless, I understand that from this far Right, everything looks really, really left.

    timb (a83d56)

  29. Just to add links, since I’m not a member of “canmake assertions without facts” crowd, here’s a link to the notorious lefty NewsMax website concerning people like me (and to the left of me) who have been disappointed.

    Again, not so much me. As i said the day after the election, all the celebrating you heard on campus will be replaced with gnashing of teeth and tears by April. The guy is just not that lefty.

    timb (a83d56)

  30. Oh, we’re all centrists now, timb.

    Dan Collins (4dc2da)

  31. Somehow I’m not comforted to learn Obama may be to the right of Ramsey Clark.

    Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  32. timb, what does all that have to do with the original post?

    Steverino (b12c49)

  33. Again, not so much me. As i said the day after the election, all the celebrating you heard on campus will be replaced with gnashing of teeth and tears by April. The guy is just not that lefty.

    Bradley beat me to the comment, but yeah, if you wanted a more slender Castro or Chavez then perhaps you will be disappointed in Dear Leader. On the other hand, if you are willing to settle for a sober Ted Kennedy, well, you pretty much are getting what you hoped for.

    JVW (bff0a4)

  34. I commented on the original post. Juan attempted to blame the stupidity of the post by bringing Obama’s name in to the mix. I just corrected him.

    Ames stands alone in the annals of violence-inducing writing.

    Tell me, Steve, what does your questioning me have to do with original post?

    PS dang it, Collins, Newsweek told me I’m a socialist, and while I didn’t agree, I can’t very well argue with magazine covers! After all, we can’t all be centrists or who would Eric Cantor and Barney Frank pander to? We need wings….or else we can’t fly.

    timb (a83d56)

  35. JVW, yeah, I wanted Castro. jesus, you people are hard to have discussions with. It’s like talking to the Kos crowd about Bush. Everyone on the other side is either a fascist or communist (or in Jonah’s Goldberg’s case, both).

    All I was doing was pointing out that this fellow isn’t and doesn’t want to be the second coming of FDR, despite what a bunch of pointy-headed leftists wanted him to be. Thus, comparing him in any way to Mark Ames “Kill the plutocrat” rant was not warranted.

    timb (a83d56)

  36. . . . this fellow isn’t and doesn’t want to be the second coming of FDR, despite what a bunch of pointy-headed leftists wanted him to be.

    So you are acknowledging that the editors of Time magazine are “pointy-headed leftists”? That will come in handy next time you and your fellow-travelers try to claim that the media is not ideologically motivated.

    JVW (bff0a4)

  37. And really, timb, you and your side have to learn to take a little bit of ribbing. My use of the adjectives “slender” and “sober” should have clued you in to the fact that I was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I didn’t post a comment saying, “Obama is a communist, man!”

    JVW (bff0a4)

  38. That excerpt is an allusion to that day in St. Petersburg in October 1917 when Lenin said, “Shouldn’t you, like, do something?”

    Official Internet Data Office (204585)

  39. timb, you can pretend your guy is a centrist all day long.

    He is behind a severe increase in government spending, and is not a centrist. Period. He’s only been in power one month, and you’re already pretending he’s done nothing liberal.

    The personal attack tone you take with me says a hell of a lot about how pathetic your argument is. And your take is irrelevant. these leftists will never be satisfied… that doesn’t matter. Until socialism succeeds, they will never rest, but socialism never works so they will never be happy with anybody.

    However, they are not the resistance. They are indeed Obama’s goon squad. They are behind ACORN, Ayers, and Obama 100% of the extreme way. Obama has come out and blamed our mess on everything but the real culprit, and he’s happy to scapegoat hard working Americans in order to take attention off of the democrats in congress who are the main culprits.

    All of this makes no sense to you. Because it doesn’t fit the narrative. No skin off my nose.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  40. The American Left are cowards when confronted by those who are perceived as not being passive. During our March 2007 Gathering of Eagles in, the ANSWER Leftists yelled but stayed away from us. Only when they marched on the Pentagon and faced the legally restrained police did they act up. They don’t want to get our Scots-Irish dander up and see a repeat of Shays’ rebellion of 1786. Cowards all.

    amr (4e0dda)

  41. well, Juan, we’ll agree to disagree. I am a liberal and I am not happy. There was a story in the LA Times about liberals being unhappy and, if there’s anything cons believe, it’s that the news media has its finger on the pulse of liberals. but, don’t believe me or the LA Times. Clearly, you have your finger on the pulse of real American leftists!

    At any rate, JVW, my tone was misplaced and I apologize to you for it.

    BTW, sure, I’ll say Rick Stengel’s a lib, just as soon as you acknowledge that FOX News is conservative and posts Republican press releases as objective news reporting. See, a picture is worth a thousand NRCC press releases.

    PS As for you, Juan, Dan Collins is right, either we’re all centrists now or the “ACORN goon squad” is coming to get you. Ooooohhhhh, I’d be so scared.*

    *Unless that nutball Marc Ames targets you. he seems to be a bit insane and I would be very scared for his raging 15 readers to target me.

    timb (a83d56)

  42. “Gathering of Eagles in DC“. Sorry

    amr (4e0dda)

  43. Comment by Mike K — 2/17/2009 @ 7:58 am

    The OBH Presidency:
    The intellectualism of Jimmah;
    The fascism of FDR.

    If the GOP doesn’t retake the Congress in ’10, and the WH in ’12, “all the King’s horses, and all the King’s men….”

    AD - RtR/OS (58203b)

  44. Tell me, Steve, what does your questioning me have to do with original post?

    I’m just trying to keep you on point here. Don’t be an idiot.

    Steverino (b12c49)

  45. The problem is, timmah has over and over shown himself to be dishonest, motivated by hatred, and generally full of crap.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  46. Citing deleted comments as evidence of sites encouraging murder is unconvincing — if the sites were actually encouraging violence, they wouldn’t be deleting the comments. More importantly, such statements would appear in the site owners’ posts.

    Secondly, there should be distinction between calling for the application of violence against non-citizens who have declared war on us and calling for violence against fellow citizens who disagree with a political goal.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  47. Wow, what a total idiot you are. A middle school kid has been charged with a felony for texting a message……………I’m sure it wasn’t as bad as this, nor as obviously devoid of facts. Like Pelosi’s third rate mockumentory, you can’t see that the hate and vile you spew is much worse since you use a platform to spread hate. I’m sure this fact is lost on you since your head appears to be jammed so far up your azz, you can’t listen to logic.

    Pam (a60dce)

  48. Um, Pam, who are you addressing?

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  49. Comment by Rob Crawford — 2/17/2009 @ 12:38 pm

    The voices in her head?

    AD - RtR/OS (58203b)

  50. The problem is, timmah has over and over shown himself to be dishonest, motivated by hatred, and generally full of crap

    How’s the mirror treating you, robby? Has anyone offered to play DEFEND THE EMPIRE yet? Criticized by a man who plays with gnomes and orc armies…

    wow

    timb (a83d56)

  51. I heard a Democrat lawmaker refute someone’s assertions regarding the DC political scene by intimating someone who couldn’t cut it in the NFL doesn’t need to be listened to. Timb’s playing the same game.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  52. Gee, timmah, you sure do like to track what’s posted on my website.

    Why does that matter? Why does my hobby bother you?

    Why did you have to prove my point? I mean, what other than your irrational hatred would motivate you to drag that into this thread?

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  53. Pam – Seek help.

    timmah – Why are you Leftist, in general, so angry, and you, in particular?

    JD (c6800b)

  54. JD, quit being so racist, would you?

    Eric Blair (ec334b)

  55. Oh, and it’s a solo game. I’m trying out a couple of new sets of rules and don’t want to waste other peoples’ time. I haven’t made any progress on it because I’ve been distracted on another project, painting up a couple of American Civil War armies.

    But thanks for asking.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  56. Pam is apparently reading a different blog than the rest of us.

    I hope it has pretty fonts.

    Techie (6b5d8d)

  57. Techie – I hope it has unicorns and fairies too.

    I can haz unicornz?

    JD (c6800b)

  58. To everyone else — a couple of weeks ago I noticed timmah’s reflex response to anything I say was to attack me based on a hobby. Admittedly I’ve been tweaking him just to see that reflex, and it’s not failed yet.

    It’s amusing, in a “frog’s leg and a battery” sense.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  59. Rob – This one is creepy.

    JD (c6800b)

  60. Comment by timb — 2/17/2009 @ 12:46 pm

    Were you going to try to counter his claim, or just insult him?

    FYI, you will also have to defend this, which I rail upon quite soundly here.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  61. Comment by Rob Crawford — 2/17/2009 @ 1:05 pm

    Ignore the attacks, Rob. I’ve been a gamer for 14+ years now, and I miss not having a group to sit with.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  62. All I was doing was pointing out that this fellow isn’t and doesn’t want to be the second coming of FDR, despite what a bunch of pointy-headed leftists wanted

    He has been using a lot of FDR and New Deal rhetoric so I have to say he has that delusion. He delegated the legislation to Pelosi, not an act of a confident president, and has mislead a lot of people about what it does.

    Geithner also looks like he is not ready for prime time. I have some sympathy as they really do not have the administration in place. Still, he is the one who insisted this had to be done immediately. Then, he waits a couple of days to sign it after allowing no time to read it.

    This is not what competence looks like.

    Mike K (8df289)

  63. You know some of the sort of blogging is like “oh yeah, why don’t you write about this!” Great example here. Keep it up.

    imdw (8cb52f)

  64. Imdw – should you be so inclined, you are free to start your own blog, and write about anything you wish.

    JD (acbb4c)

  65. Neiwert’s got it covered.

    imdw (ed3435)

  66. You know, I’ve read timb’s comments for a while now, and they always “incite” a lot of anger seemingly way out of proportion to their (meager) content. I’ve seen him called some appalling names, and wondered if they could in any way be deserved.

    Yup, they are. You want to take a poke at a gamer man? Oh, you are the lowest of lows.

    Rob, I hope you post some pics of your minis.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  67. Rob,
    As someone who spent years playing AD&D and other RPGs, I wholeheartedly second Scott Jacobs’ suggestion to ignore the mundane.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R., who implores DRJ to remain at Patterico! (a2d4c6)

  68. As someone who played MUDs from 96 to 08 and created areas and was an imm on one of them, I agree. Cast the foolish attack aside.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  69. I’m totally going to ignore my burning hate for them, and take the local LARPers to Perkin’s for coffee for a rousing game of “freak the mundanes”…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  70. Timmah! is a creepy little bastard, and pretending he actually knows you, like he been stalking you or something is an integral part of his game.

    Pablo (99243e)

  71. LARPers aren’t that bad, once you get over the smell of clove cigarettes….

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  72. LARPers aren’t that bad, once you get over the smell of clove cigarettes…

    I used to be a member of The Camarilla. I come by my hate of these people honestly. :)

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  73. Oh, it doesn’t bother me, or anyone who knows me. I’ve been into this stuff for 3/4ths of my life, since I came home from school one day and my brother had SPI’s “War of the Ring” spread out on the kitchen table. He wouldn’t play the game with me until I read the books, so I did — I was 9 at the time. Another game, “Traveller”, convinced me math wasn’t a complete waste of time and led me from getting a ‘D’ in 5th grade arithmetic to getting an electrical engineering degree.

    I used to have a pretty big gallery of figures on my site, but I lost it in a crash. Here are some orcs — those are 15mm figures, so they’re a bit over a half inch high. Here is one I painted about 20 years ago — that one is an inch tall. This one is from just last year, and is also about an inch tall.

    Some of the better stuff I’ve done, but not the best.

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  74. LARPers? Never been one.

    Hung around the SCA for a while, though…

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  75. God, Traveler. How I miss it.

    There’s a gaming site that has audio of recorded games up for listening… British people are funny. We’ll leave it at that.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  76. I was a Magic: The Gathering junkie when I was younger. I lost interest in it in high school (right before I lost interest in high school itself), but I have nothing but fond memories of it. It’s an awesome game.

    Scott, Rob, John: have any of you guys seen “Darkon”?

    Leviticus (db92c9)

  77. Actually, no. I’ll have to look into it.

    And I lost interest in M:tG at about the time I gained an interest in girls… :)

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  78. To be honest, while my MUD experiences have been AD&D related, I have never done anything with pen&paper RPGs. And I’m not about to play dress up. I have heard of MTG and tried UOL and WOW.

    But several of my best e-friends were females. And all my e-friends were MUDders (full-on text games). Of course, when I entered the MUD scene I was already older than 99% of MUDders.

    To tie this in somehow, the vast majority of MUDders are highly intelligent, IT-savvy liberals. And a strong minority of them are English-as-second-language people, so I got to hear extra-US reasoned opinions on many topics.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  79. Hmmm, I dunno Patterico, It sounds like you found some nut writing nutty stuff and are hinting what?
    That “lefties” = “liberals” = anyone not agreeing with “conservatives” aka Rush Limbaugh etc., all secretly want to drag “the rich” to the guillotine?

    That “liberals” are for the terrorists and are thus “terrorists”
    That particular meme was a righty staple a couple years ago and got lots of lefty commenters twittering away like the commenters above saying similar things (lefty style of course) about how Der Fuhrer George was going to take over the country and make it a police state etc.etc.

    As I recall you and many commenters scoffed at such remarks. Where is your restraint today?

    I would agree that the language of nutso above is very explicit in inciting violence against “the bankers” or whatever, but isn’t “the liberals” (which could be absolutely anyone) are “for the terrorists” and thus are “terrorists” and thus are the “enemy” so you know…..isn’t that saying the same thing but in a “deniable” way?

    EdWood (365e40)

  80. Oh and who says the guy is a “lefty”? He seems more like a self proclaimed “anarchist” to me. And a real, well, corn-holio. Maybe he OD’d on Cheetos?

    EdWood (365e40)

  81. Hmmm, I dunno Patterico, It sounds like you found some nut writing nutty stuff and are hinting what?

    That conservatives don’t have a monopoly (or anything close to it) on “eliminationist rhetoric,” contra Neiwert?

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  82. I like how Neiwert is just “some nut”.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  83. Patterico himself is a good demonstration of conservative opposition to “eliminationism.”

    Sure, there are nutcases on the far right, but the vast majority mainstream conservatives have nothing whatsoever to do with eliminationism and this blog gives a ready demonstration of that.

    A lot of the regulars around here have sought to “eliminate” my participation here and still seem to be outraged that Patterico allows it.

    Hax Vobiscum (23258e)

  84. That’s because you dodge actual debate. If you attempted any kind honest debate, we wouldn’t mind you so much.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  85. Hax, if you cannot tell the difference between calling for banning someone from commenting, and calling for someone to be executed because what they beleive does not match your world view, then you are hopeless as a human being.

    Dr. K (24b8da)

  86. Right on! Lets find the addresses to Nancy Pelosi and show that we are not going to put up with her filthy wealth and her and her husband profiting from inside deals: Harry Reid using his wealth and influence to profit from shady land deals, Barney Frank and his pay outs from Freddie Mac and Fanny May; those filthy rich-above-the-crowd-Hollywood types who makes 100s of millions from just one film! And what about those TV news anchors who makes millions just reading the rightwing propaganda… ABC, NBC, and CBS! They are milking us! Its time to let them know what the oppressed proletariats of America think!

    Get'em-ski (8974a6)

  87. well, Juan, we’ll agree to disagree. I am a liberal and I am not happy. There was a story in the LA Times about liberals being unhappy…
    -timb
    The “two party” system is a scam that excites the fantasies of deluded morons who will inevitably wail about “betrayal” by their cynical politician-heroes.
    http://econlog.econlib.org//archives/2008/09/how_dems_and_re.html
    (…)
    The first big misconception is the parties’ key differences are substantive. They aren’t. Reps don’t want to get rid of the welfare state. Almost all Reps support spending a big chunk of GDP on America’s poor and old. And Dems don’t want anything like socialism. Almost all Dems want America to remain a country where markets are the default and people can get rich if they play their cards right.

    So what is the “key difference” between the parties? Rhetoric. When Republicans advocate a small contraction of the welfare state, Democrats claim that Republicans totally oppose the welfare state. And many Republicans oblige them by standing up for “liberty” and “responsibility.” Similarly, when Democrats advocate a small expansion in the welfare state, Republican claim that Democrats oppose free markets. And many Democrats oblige them by saying things like “markets only benefit the rich.”

    This rhetorical illusion is so powerful that when a Democrat like Clinton adopts many pro-market reforms, Republicans still hate him as a 60s radical. And when Bush II sharply expands the welfare state, Democrats still hate him as a billionaire’s lackey
    (…)
    Maybe the US needs to shift to a proportional representation voting system so people can vote for parties that don’t inevitably have to represent the elite consensus regardless of what fairy tales they tell the voters. It would be difficult to do at the federal level, but it would be fairly simple (assuming popular support)at the state level in states with initiative/referendum. Such a system wouldn’t have to be a as extreme as the one Israel uses. Israel is always ruled by a coalition government and currently has 12 parties in the Knesset.

    icr (ff91f1)

  88. I must say there is a lot of writing in this blog. Not much information but definitely a lot of writing. See thats the problem with most people… the average IQ isn’t very high. Democrats want to fight with republicans, republicans want to fight with democrats. There are over 50 posts of this tired old BS. My party is better, no mine is. Seriously I don’t understand how all u Groupies do it. You believe that in a system where people give money to spend time and share their concerns with our elected officials, the people are at the heart of our leaders… As if. Congress if filled with a bunch of sell-outs. If they haven’t sold out to their Party, Which is run by our president… NOPE…Generally a former CEO…then they have sold out to special interests in order to get where they are. Nobody can deny there is a correlation to the amount of money you spend on a campaign to the success of a campaign. Politicians spend more time fund-raising than making laws. And when it comes time to make laws they have their campaign contributors best interests at mind. Do you think the really rich care if a democrat or a republican get into office?? No because I guarantee you they have them both in their pockets. Just as an example ask 5 people if they knew the first water fueled operational car was invented in the 80′s. Ask them if they knew the FIRST I.C.E. engine, Internal Combustion Engine(Its what is in your car), was fueled by hydrogen. HMMM… I wonder why people are so ignorant of this technology. Maybe its because Petroleum is the largest industry in the World. And i’m sorry to say they own the United States government. Does anyone not agree that the system would be better if we dissolved the parties and Politicians had to run on individual merit. And they would have to vote on bills based on the merits of the bill instead of what their party tells them to.

    Derrick (2208cd)

  89. P.S. That what I just posted represents the mob mentality that gave rise to Hitler, Stalin, Mao Ze-tung, Castro, Pol-Pot etc. These people are responsible for the murder of 100s of millions of innocent people. In the Catholic Church envy is a cardinal sin because it leads to a greater evil that the infamous listed above were able to use against the innocent. We surely live in scary times.

    Get'em-ski (8974a6)

  90. wow ICR right on you definitely put it in better words than me, although I never claimed to be a great communicator

    Derrick (2208cd)

  91. really are you comparing amount of death to the catholic church cause the catholic church has that record

    Derrick (2208cd)

  92. Timmah! is a creepy little bastard, and pretending he actually knows you, like he been stalking you or something is an integral part of his game.

    Comment by Pablo — 2/17/2009

    Yeah, Pablo, I stalked him to the website he wants people to visit by attaching his screen name to it. It’s amazing skill at stalking. Almost as clever as your colonelcy in the “Goldstein Rapid Reaction Team,” boldly going to other websites to defend the silly.

    As for Rob’s obsession with following me around and leveling personal attacks, it began to creep me out. His obsession with board-gaming as a grown man, since most of left SPI and Avalon Hill and AD&D and Top Secret and Squad Leader and Blitzkreig and Star Frontiers and Star Fleet Battles and Panzer Blitz about the same time we kissed a girl.

    But, hey, Scott and Rob are the cutting edge of societal evolution, grown men painting figurines in their basements. Again, wow.

    PS Scott, your “take-down of me” was less than impressive. We talk tax cuts now and you tell a someone that she will get more in Social Security when she retires than what she paid in. First, duh. Secondly, you should attend foreclosure sales and tell folks that (remember to tell them to eat cake too), and thirdly, the tax rebates help people who pay taxes, which was my point, dufus. FICA taxes are taxes, people who pay them are hurting now. Helping said people is not “welfare.”

    Seriously, scott, this was a discussion Dr. Mike (an intelligent, well-educated and well-read, if politically mistaken, gentleman) and I were having. I donl;t recall asking for a chemist’s views on tax policies, but thanks for proving the point: poor, wage-earners pay taxes and giving them a tax rebate puts money in their pocket and may jump start the economy.

    I do so hope Rob lawful neutral Crawford doesn’t want to tangle anymore with my Level 12 Paladin. I have 101 hit points and a +5 Holy Sword. Good will prevail over whatever engineers from southern Ohio are.*

    *Cool with a little help from Wiki, I was able to refresh my geek language skills. Now, I’m off to a comic con. Scott and Rob will be there too, dressed as Gimli and Legolas.

    timb (a83d56)

  93. You know, Timmah!, you’ve never answered my question. Why are you so obsessed with Jeff Goldstein?

    Pablo (99243e)

  94. So you’re still a lying, misleading douchebag, and you lack the decency to even admit it.

    Gotcha.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  95. I like the cynics. Welcome, cynics. You are a fine added addition to the “dhimmicrats want to take money and make my daughter marry a lesbian” versus “the Republikkans are all racist plutocrats” arguments usually seen here.

    timb (a83d56)

  96. Oh and who says the guy is a “lefty”? He seems more like a self proclaimed “anarchist” to me.

    Socialized medicine seems an odd fit for anarchists.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  97. But, hey, Scott and Rob are the cutting edge of societal evolution, grown men painting figurines in their basements. Again, wow.

    Timb’s absolutely right. Why paint figurines of orcs when one can converse with a real live ad hominem-spewing troll?

    Bradley J. Fikes, C. O. R. (0ea407)

  98. You know, Timmah!, you’ve never answered my question. Why are you so obsessed with Jeff Goldstein?

    Why are you so obsessed with him, Pablo? I can’t go more than 5 minutes without you asking about him? “Tim, have you heard from him?” Tim, why don’t you care as much as I do?” “Tim, what will I do if the site goes down?”

    I don’t know why you follow him the internet, pablo, all I know is that I follow PW for the entertainment of its blog wars and the self-righteous blinkered defense of its partisans. He’s just not that into you, Pablo, or he would have never left you.

    But, you’ll always Paris.

    As for Scott, I take your concession in the typical spirit in which it is offered. I guess you’re my little chemistry bitch now. Go drop a kilo of sodium into a liter of water and keep your head over the beaker.

    timb (a83d56)

  99. Oh, Bradley, you are so droll.

    timb (a83d56)

  100. Why are you so obsessed with him, Pablo? I can’t go more than 5 minutes without you asking about him? “Tim, have you heard from him?” Tim, why don’t you care as much as I do?” “Tim, what will I do if the site goes down?”

    Let’s see. Scanning the thread, I see that you brought him up, again. Reviewing the quotes you’ve given, I see that they’re entirely figments of your imagination, as I’ve never said any of them. Provide some links to them, Timmah!

    Jeff’s name can’t seem turn up on the internet without you showing up, a list of his crimes against humanity clenched in your grubby little paws, and declarations of JD, Rob Crawford, daleyrocks, myself, et al being minions under his spell flying from your keyboard. (Funny that we’re all also regulars here, and I’ve never heard you carrying on about Patterico’s henchmen.) And I’m obsessed? No, Timmah! Projection, contrary to the warm, fuzzy feeling it evokes in your empty skull, is not your friend.

    Why don’t you answer my question? Why are you so obsessed with Jeff Goldstein?

    Pablo (99243e)

  101. I reiterate: Timmah! is a creepy little bastard.

    Pablo (99243e)

  102. As for Rob’s obsession with following me around and leveling personal attacks, it began to creep me out.

    Never happened. I’ve never followed you to any site. That you troll sites I frequent is not my fault.

    But, hey, if you ever have a more substantive issue than my hobby, let me know. I’m beginning to think the real issue is you’re jealous.

    That’s OK. I understand. Not everyone can be as awesome as me.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  103. Derrick, you can take all the wars fought in the name of Allah, Christianity, and Buda and the total deaths pale in comparison to the slaughter of innocent people perpetrated by Hitler, Stalin, Castro, et. al. Envy is the tool used by Marxist ideology to bring about its rule of the masses and their eventual slaughter. Your moral equivalence suggests that there is a better standard that the church or a representative democracy is compared to. What is that standard?
    Once you’ve dragged out all of the rich, and have them killed by the masses, what comes next to make your world better than the country you live in now?

    Get'em-ski (8974a6)

  104. Pablo,
    I reiterate: Timmah! is a creepy little bastard.

    As his attacks on figurine painting and the like reveal, he’s also extremely insecure.

    When someone makes a big deal about being all grown up, you can be sure there’s a frightened little kid inside.

    Bradley J. Fikes, C. O. R. (0ea407)

  105. That conservatives don’t have a monopoly (or anything close to it) on “eliminationist rhetoric,” contra Neiwert?

    OK. Agreed.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  106. Note how timmah likes to dig up little nuggests of personal information and throw them in his comments, as though he has some level of familiarity with the person? It really is creepy.

    And its idea of stalking is responding to its inanity. That it follows people around, posting personal information, and acting in a generally creepy manner is quite fine, as he is a loyal solider. Just look at the tongue bath he gave Caric.

    JD (d5a778)

  107. icr #88
    Yep. What you said.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  108. Note how timmah likes to dig up little nuggests of personal information and throw them in his comments, as though he has some level of familiarity with the person? It really is creepy.

    Right. As I said, pretending he actually knows you, like he’s been stalking you or something is an integral part of his game. I know you’ve seen as much of it as I have, JD. He’s a very strange boy.

    Pablo (99243e)

  109. FICA taxes are taxes, people who pay them are hurting now

    I have an idea: let’s eliminate Social Security. Then there’d be no FICA taxes.

    Or let’s make Social Security optional and private. That way, no one who doesn’t want to pay the tax is forced to.

    People can pay for their own retirement, or keep working for as long as they want to.

    Steverino (69d941)

  110. BLASPHEMY!, steverino. Off to re-education camp with you …

    JD (d5a778)

  111. I feel so guilty, JD. But it’s funny that Democrats like timb like to whine about the poor having to pay Social Security taxes (when they are technically insurance premiums), but balk at the one suggestion which would eliminate those taxes altogether.

    Steverino (69d941)

  112. As for Scott, I take your concession in the typical spirit in which it is offered. I guess you’re my little chemistry bitch now. Go drop a kilo of sodium into a liter of water and keep your head over the beaker.

    Comment by timb — 2/18/2009 @ 7:28 am

    That’s a line that shouldn’t go unnoticed. Telling someone to do something that could likely cause severe bodily injury or worse.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  113. For the commenter above who slams the rest for not knowing that the first internal combustion engine was powered by hydrogen:
    Guess what? Internal combustion engines are still powered by hydrogen; or, have you never studied the use of hydro-carbon molecules (gasoline and other petroleum derivitives)?

    AD - RtR/OS (dd5f17)

  114. #113: yes, I think that some of the rhetoric needs to be throttled back. Suggesting that someone do something that would serious injure or kill themselves is not funny.

    But it started with timb making fun of someone’s hobby in a very mean spirited fashion.

    A lot of TdJs like to inflame discussion with extreme rhetoric. But then, they are all about the fighting.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  115. Comment by Eric Blair — 2/18/2009 @ 10:06 am

    Well, at least he recommended sodium and not sulpher.

    AD - RtR/OS (dd5f17)

  116. But then, they are all about the fighting, or stalking.

    FTTY, Eric

    JD (d5a778)

  117. As for Scott, I take your concession in the typical spirit in which it is offered.

    Amusingly, I offered no concession, as you have yet to fully admit to your lying and purposeful misstatement of fact in your little story.

    You truly are a worm.

    As for Scott, I take your concession in the typical spirit in which it is offered. I guess you’re my little chemistry bitch now. Go drop a kilo of sodium into a liter of water and keep your head over the beaker.

    Comment by timb — 2/18/2009 @ 7:28 am

    That’s a line that shouldn’t go unnoticed. Telling someone to do something that could likely cause severe bodily injury or worse./blockquote>In fact it would CERTAINLY cause great bodily injury.

    I’ll be kind, and leave it for others to make certain that our kind host sees young Timmy’s words. I wish him to enjoy what little time he has remaining here.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  118. Would someone with editing privileges do me the great favor of adding a < to that last blockquote tag, and then deleting this comment?

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  119. Patterico, are you monitoring this thread? Methinks you have a bit of housekeeping to do here.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  120. Great post, thanks for the info

    Nelma (e3b987)

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