Patterico's Pontifications

1/29/2009

It Was Really Bad When Auto Executives Sought Tens of Billions of Dollars and Flew on Corporate Jets

Filed under: General,Obama — Patterico @ 7:18 am

But it’s cool for Obama to celebrate the passage of a trillion-dollar stimulus package with a celebration that includes wagyu steak.

What’s that, you ask? I don’t know either, but it apparently cost $100 for a 16-ounce steak . . . in 2004.

Well, you don’t want it to look like a schlock affair.

Ahh, the shared sacrifice. You can just smell it.

178 Responses to “It Was Really Bad When Auto Executives Sought Tens of Billions of Dollars and Flew on Corporate Jets”

  1. Joe, forget it. Japanese steak is the best when cooked properly. Lots of fat.

    BTW, did THE ONE switch switch the White House Vodka to P Diddy’s brand yet?

    Gotta buy American you know.

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  2. You have to admit, it a fine looking cut of meat, look at the fat marbling!

    Unfortunately it leaves an unpleasant aftertaste.

    I can’t believe someone actually dispatched John Murtha.

    Joe (17aeff)

  3. As for the alcoholic drinks, it is only civilized to have cocktails sometimes. I support Obama on that. It is the one tradition FDR had right!

    Joe (17aeff)

  4. No traction here; liberals believe that Bush slaughtered unicorns and barbecued them at the ranch.

    Old Coot (543f9d)

  5. You can see a clear line regarding outrageous spending when it serves an overweening narcissistic need – first the Dem Convention speech (replete with Roman columns), then the inaugural orgy of self – congratulation, and now…the fatted calf.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  6. But barbecued unicorns taste soooo good. Kind of a cross between a baby harp seal and a California condor.

    Steverino (69d941)

  7. So this is what belt-tightening and sacrifice looks like? Did it come with a Arugula side salad?

    Am I still allowed to set my heat at 68 degrees?

    Dan F (a67de7)

  8. Don’t get me wrong, I love a high end steak, but Obama might want to consider this example for expressing American thrift.

    I mean, he is channelling every other thing the guy did, other than perhaps riding around in a wheelchair.

    Joe (17aeff)

  9. Why do I keep waiting for President Obama to paraphrase Marie-Antoinette and say “Let them eat raman…”

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  10. I’m not one to deny a man his steak and martinis, but I’m sure that somehow, if Bush had had a similar story, we’d hear from the usual suspects.

    Techie (6b5d8d)

  11. I found the following price for wagyu…

    Allen Brothers sells wagyu sirloin strip steaks for a mere $125.95 for two 8oz. cuts.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  12. Waygu is awesome. Just sayin’

    This is hope and change, bitches.

    JD (a9f2c7)

  13. I suggest that Obama serve Brats with County Stadium Mystery Sauce on them instead of “Kobe” beef.

    Why is it Democrats have to wallow in the Pricey perks of the hated rich when they assume elected office?

    PCD (7fe637)

  14. This is as far from NASCAR as you can get and still stay in the Washington time zone.

    I will say one thing, though. Mugabe makes everyone were European coats and ties to his office. Not so our new president. Pretty soon they’ll be wearing Dishdashahs.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  15. talk about hypocrisy. many americans buy low-end, not high-dollar products. i know i make good use of coupons every time i go to the grocery market. when is the last time ‘the one’ and ‘she-ra’ did?

    wait, they are saving their money by using ours.

    ktr (d30ef9)

  16. Heh.

    ‘Climate change’ moralists are always talking about the need to take responsibility/set an example in the face of the imminent planetary apocalypse. Imagine my surprise, therefore, when I read this:

    WASHINGTON — The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat. “He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.

    Thermostat down, coat on, Mr. President: the planet’s in peril (or so you tell us).

    Pablo (99243e)

  17. He’s from Hawaii? What about his sainted and integral years in Chicago, Axelrod? You mean the poor hothouse flower never adapted to his city, even after 20+ years? My neighbors are all wearing long underwear 24/7 because of another brutal winter here. God, tell your leader to man the hell up.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  18. Also, I thought we needed to buy AMERICAN with the stimulus package?

    Pot meet kettle.

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  19. WASHINGTON — The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.
    “He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.

    Another follower of Al Gore who does as he does (large carbon footprint).

    Neo (cba5df)

  20. Not to mention that DC is in the southern climate zone. Their winters are a humongous joke. What a wuss.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  21. SO since The MEssiah si in office I ahve learned

    1) Bad Bush for $40MM inauguration bu Obama’s coronation of $160MM OK.

    2) Arab Media extend our hand but American media GFY.

    3) Stimulus package says buy America but I like Deficit EXPANDING Kobe. YUMMMY!

    4) Lower your carbon footprint means thermostat at 85 in the White House and lots of Movie Star Private Jets in Dulles.

    I think I get the picture. Govt Apparatchiks are über alles!!!!

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  22. I can’t state this enuff but I wish them all ill in worst, biblical ways.

    Schadenfreude.
    Schadenfreude.
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    Schadenfreude.
    Schadenfreude.

    Forever.

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  23. Cant the POTUS just eat his Kobe steak and arugula salad?

    If he is from Hawaii, then why am I teh one eating fried Spam and dirty rice?

    ML (14488c)

  24. ML.

    You are not anointed MOTUS. M = messiah.

    That way you can live at the public troff like a bazillionaire and declare yourself a “regular guy.”

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  25. Cant the POTUS just eat his Kobe steak and arugula salad?

    If he is from Hawaii, then why am I teh one eating fried Spam and dirty rice?

    Comment by ML — 1/29/2009 @ 9:32 am

    Paul Theroux noted that he though most Pacific Islanders loved Spam because it is the closest approximation of human flesh. And talk about good old American know how, packed in convienent tins with a key!

    Joe (dcebbd)

  26. I can’t state this enuff but I wish them all ill in worst, biblical ways.

    Huh.

    Xanthippas (e02a45)

  27. Paul Theroux noted that he though most Pacific Islanders loved Spam because it is the closest approximation of human flesh. And talk about good old American know how, packed in convienent tins with a key!

    He was certainly joking.

    Xanthippas (e02a45)

  28. “He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.

    If Chicago didn’t acclimate his pansy-ass to cold weather, I dunno what to tell him…

    Who was it that said we can’t just keep our thermostats at 72?

    Oh yeah…

    The relavant quote can be seen here.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  29. If Chicago didn’t acclimate his pansy-ass to cold weather, I dunno what to tell him…

    Who was it that said we can’t just keep our thermostats at 72?

    I’m amazed by this ability to track down trivialities. Is there no minor annoyance right-wingers don’t track obsessively?

    Xanthippas (e02a45)

  30. Ignore the actual words Teh One speaks. They cease having meaning the moment the words pass over his lips. Just ask Zippy.

    JD (9e86cd)

  31. We his hos. We elected him pimp-in-chief. We ain’t gots no right to say how our man spend our money. Shut yo mouth bitch or you’ll git a slap upside da head.

    nk (bf9c84)

  32. I’m amazed by this ability to track down trivialities. Is there no minor annoyance right-wingers don’t track obsessively?

    Nope.

    You call them “trivialities”, I call them “blatant hypocrisy”.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  33. Well, now, Scott (and Blonde Horse), why the hell would anyone claim to be Illinois and not from Hawaii with the Blagojevich impeachment trial going on?

    BTW: My thermostats are set at 74 and I bring them up to 76 at times. You have a right to walk around naked in your own house. And Al Gore can just go and and get himself an all-night (censored) with Manbearpig.

    nk (bf9c84)

  34. Comment by Scott Jacobs — 1/29/2009 @ 10:18 am
    Scott, Scott, Scott….
    How many times must we tell you that only Republicans, particularly Conservative Republicans, are capable of hypocrisy, blatant or otherwise.
    Dems can never be held at fault, for they only commit misjudgements in not fully knowing those they associate with, etc, etc.

    AD (7d0655)

  35. Comment by nk — 1/29/2009 @ 10:24 am

    TMI!

    AD (7d0655)

  36. You have a right to walk around naked in your own house.

    That right is now reserved for our elite. You have the right to work for the government as they increase your tax burden short and long term. Ramen for you, wagyu for Dear Leader. Suck it prole.

    bonhomme (c3262a)

  37. Seems pretty bi-partisan to me.
    The attendees:

    House Democrats
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.
    House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-SC
    Rep. John Larson, D-Conn.. Chair of the House Democratic Caucus, who took the place in the Democratic House leadership of President Obama’s new chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel
    Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., Vice Chair of the House Democratic Caucus, who refused the president’s entreaties to serve as U.S. Trade Representative
    Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    House Republicans
    House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio
    House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va.
    Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., Chair of the House Republican Conference
    Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Wash., Vice Chair of the House Republican Conference
    Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, Secretary of the House Republican Conference
    Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., Chair of the House Republican Policy Committee

    Senate Democrats
    Sen. President Pro-Tem Robert Byrd, D-WV
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
    Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill.
    Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-NY, Vice Chairman of the Senate Democratic Caucus
    Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., Secretary of the Senate Democratic Caucus
    Sen. Bob Menendez, D-NJ, Chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

    Senate Republicans
    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
    Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.
    Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., Chair of the Senate Republican Conference
    Sen. John Thune, R-SD, Vice Chair of the Senate Republican Conference
    Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, Chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee
    Sen. Jon Ensign, R-Nev., Chair of the Senate Policy Committee

    sleepy (09c352)

  38. As an Obama supporter, I can’t agree more with this post.

    Everyone in positions of power are being watched and scrutinized when it comes to how much they spend.

    Obama should be aware of this as we all are.

    Oiram (983921)

  39. Hors d’œuvres — chicken curry, wagyu steak — will be served in addition to drinks.

    “Hors d’œuvres.”
    Fancy, yes, but still, 2 ounces of steak on a toothpick.

    sleepy (09c352)

  40. sleepy tells us not to worry, its only a 16 dollar hors d’oeuvres.

    SPQR (72771e)


  41. “Hors d’œuvres.”
    Fancy, yes, but still, 2 ounces of steak on a toothpick.

    He really is from Hawaii. A real man from Chicago would have pork rinds. Sissyboy.

    nk (bf9c84)

  42. 2 ounces of steak on a toothpick

    $15.64 (+/-) for one Hors d’œuvre?

    I guess “‘Lil Smokies” are beneath them?

    AD (7d0655)

  43. So what, sleepy? What does the guest list have to do with it?

    Pablo (99243e)

  44. I’m amazed by this ability to track down trivialities. Is there no minor annoyance right-wingers don’t track obsessively?

    Truer words have never been spoken by a Wuss – put on a coat, Pansy – Boy.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  45. Wait a second…….. does sleepy know for a fact that these steaks were not served per person as the post here suggests?

    Did each person dining receive a $100 steak or not?

    Oiram (983921)

  46. Paul Theroux noted that he though most Pacific

    Islanders loved Spam because it is the closest approximation of human flesh. And talk about good old American know how, packed in convienent tins with a key!

    He was certainly joking.

    Comment by Xanthippas — 1/29/2009 @ 9:57 am

    I say controlled taste test!

    Hanibal Lecter (dcebbd)

  47. I’m amazed by this ability to track down trivialities. Is there no minor annoyance right-wingers don’t track obsessively?

    Comment by Xanthippas

    You mean like Bush’s alleged lying, coke habit, drinking, grades in college, Yale education, accent, Crawford ranch, WMD, let’s see, what else ?

    I’m sure you have a long list.

    I know that Democrats can’t be hypocrites because they are expected to lie, cheat, steal, hire prostitutes, diddle interns, date underage pages, evade taxes, rent four rent controlled apartments when everybody else is limited to one, abort babies instead of raise them, and generally behave as though there were no tomorrow.

    OK, I got it.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  48. You mean like Bush’s alleged lying, coke habit, drinking, grades in college, Yale education, accent, Crawford ranch, WMD, let’s see, what else ?

    Bush’s Texas Air National Guard record. Which would have been a triviality if the stories weren’t lies.

    Pablo (99243e)

  49. It is the seriousness of the charge that matters, not the veracity. Unless we’re talking about Democrats. Then it’s nitpicking and whining and being sore losers.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  50. Ahh, the shared sacrifice. You can just smell it.

    It’s not hecatombs of cattle. It’s trillions of taxpayer dollars. Gotta keep the unicorns warm.

    George Orwell (c11eea)

  51. #48 Go Mike Go!

    Perfect Sense (0922fa)

  52. i applaud Juggy in his choice of foods, just as i encourage him to smoke as much as he wants, rather than listen to the naysayers…..

    after all, it increases the likelihood that he will either have a CVA or MCI, given the stress he’s under.

    redc1c4 (9c4f4a)

  53. Mr Jacobs wrote:

    Why do I keep waiting for President Obama to paraphrase Marie-Antoinette and say “Let them eat raman…”

    Well, if they’d bring back the Cajun Chicken flavor, yeah, I would!

    The Dana who has eaten more than his share of Ramen Noodles (3e4784)

  54. “Wait a second…….. does sleepy know for a fact that these steaks were not served per person as the post here suggests?
    Did each person dining receive a $100 steak or not?”

    Short answer: No.
    I followed the links Pat gave to the source.
    Click on the Malkin link then on to Jake Tapper. The grand poobahs of both parties had expensive cocktails together.
    I wish you’d all pay more attention, but you don’t.

    Meanwhile, courtesy of Josh Marshall at TPM here’s Barry Ritholtz on Geithner
    There are problems with the stimulus package, but the republicans did not make serious proposals, because your republican party, the party of Bush, Myers, and Palin, and Patterico is fundamentally not serious.

    sleepy (09c352)

  55. nk wrote:

    We his hos. We elected him pimp-in-chief. We ain’t gots no right to say how our man spend our money. Shut yo mouth bitch or you’ll git a slap upside da head.

    Oh, you are just so denounced!

    The politically correct Dana (3e4784)

  56. Well, there goes the Hindu vote…

    mojo (8096f2)

  57. Does that kill the PETA vote, too?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  58. #55 wrote: The grand poobahs of both parties had expensive cocktails together.

    That makes extravagant and disproportionate spending OK?

    Perfect Sense (0922fa)

  59. Sleepy wrote:

    There are problems with the stimulus package, but the republicans did not make serious proposals, because your republican party, the party of Bush, Myers, and Palin, and Patterico is fundamentally not serious.

    Well, part of the problem is that the Democrats would not have allowed the Republicans to make amendments, but I’d say that the bigger issue is that doing nothing at all is a very serious proposal.

    And it’s certainly my proposal: just do nothing! The recession will end because that’s simply the way our economy works: the business cycle has expansions and contractions. Ju7st do nothing, the recession will end on its own, and we’ll have a trillion dollars less debt to have to repay.

    The politically correct Dana (3e4784)

  60. Tnights supper will be last night’s leftover chicken soup. Perhaps President Obama will consider that my contribution to the economy.

    The moderately thrifty Dana (3e4784)

  61. sleepy/AF/blah appears to be off its meds again.

    JD (a635b5)

  62. I bet they broke out the good Remy for H.I.M. Obama and his cronies.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  63. sleepy can make the assertion that there was no Republican alternative only by ignoring the Republican alternatives.

    JD (a635b5)

  64. Comment by sleepy — 1/29/2009 @ 12:35 pm

    Bottom line, if Obama’s guests (Republican or Democrat.. makes no difference) received a $100 steak each, in addition to all the other costs of the affair, that is excessive.

    If however the “100 (per serving)” wagyu steak was doled out to say more than 4 people ($25 per person), then this post is excessive nitpicking (typical).

    Oiram (983921)

  65. I’m amazed by this ability to track down trivialities. Is there no minor annoyance right-wingers don’t track obsessively?

    You mean like the “fake” turkey in Iraq?
    Progressives still use that one even after it was proven not true.

    Paul L. (fe3697)

  66. He Has the heat turned up too high…

    Meh…

    He’s spending a zillion on steaks…

    Meh…

    They came here in corporate jetzzzzzz!

    ZOmG!1!!1!eleventy!!1!1!

    Bob (99fc1b)

  67. There are problems with the stimulus package, but the republicans did not make serious proposals, because your republican party, the party of Bush, Myers, and Palin, and Patterico is fundamentally not serious.

    Also, they were prevented from offering amendments or debating the bill in the House.

    Further, the Republican party did offer it’s own version of a stimulus package, but I would love for you to find reference to it totally more than 5 lines.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  68. If however the “100 (per serving)” wagyu steak was doled out to say more than 4 people ($25 per person), then this post is excessive nitpicking (typical).

    Maybe they could have just had Panera cater the meeting?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  69. Mario – Regular good old American USDA prime Angus is not good enough for the Dems, huh?

    There are people starving in Africa, and Teh One is serving waygu. It is clear where your priorities are.

    JD (a635b5)

  70. Further, the Republican party did offer it’s own version of a stimulus package, but I would love for you to find reference to it totally more than 5 lines.

    That’s because it wasn’t serious!

    So how that works?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  71. Baracky’s coronation cost how much more than Bush’s? $100,000,000+? How many people could have been fed, how many old people’s lives saved, how many condoms could have been bought with the simply extravagance that Baracky threw during the worst economic crisis in the history of the world?!?!

    JD (a635b5)

  72. Ahh, the shared sacrifice. You can just smell it.

    Well, yeah. We sacrifice our money, and the politicians share it.

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  73. #70 Mario – Regular good old American USDA prime Angus is not good enough for the Dems, huh?

    Is this a vendetta you have JD?

    Do you even bother to care that the original post here suggests (possibly falsely) that each person did not receive a $100 steak?

    Again if this is about getting back at Dems for nitpicking about Republican’s spending in the past then I will somewhat understand.

    But at least get the dollar amount of the steak correct.

    Oiram (983921)

  74. Comment by JD — 1/29/2009 @ 1:04 pm

    Way to change the subject JD, I do that and I’m called a “Troll”…….. go figure.

    Oiram (983921)

  75. Obama’s little cocktail party was his was of telling the “little people” what he really feels about them. I wonder how many people at Boeing, Starbucks or Kodak that lost their jobs yesterday had wegyu beef for dinner last night?

    fmfnavydoc (59b1f9)

  76. Did each person dining receive a $100 steak or not?

    Comment by Oiram — 1/29/2009 @ 11:25 am

    I’m still waiting for the excellent fact checkers to tell me if each person attending the said affair received a $100 steak (16 oz).

    Sleepy seemed to answer it, but I know you don’t trust his fact checking.

    Let’s see 1:25pm minus 11:25 AM, what is that 2 hours now?

    Oiram (983921)

  77. Malkin and Patterico can’t be too smart if they can’t manage to find wagyu beef on the internet – which can be far cheaper than she lets on. I’m sure Patterico will be posting a correction on this matter.

    tamizdat (e8f5ce)

  78. tamizdat, I’m willing to accept their dollar amount as true, and excessive, if it is in fact $100 per person.

    Oiram (983921)

  79. Tamizdat – Clearly waygu is cheaper than good old American USDA prime. Right?

    Mario – WTF does it matter what the portion size was?

    JD (80c89a)

  80. When “Americans have to decide on food, rent or medicine,” what does it matter when “the people’s President” chooses the high-price beef over lower priced beef?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  81. But at least they weren’t eating caviar and smoking cigars! Probably no one was wearing spats or top hats, either!

    While none of us are going to argue that our elected officials should live a monastic life, don’t you think a little image management might be good at a time when they’re trying to drum up a trillion dollars in additional debt?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  82. Mario – WTF does it matter what the portion size was?

    Comment by JD — 1/29/2009 @ 1:36 pm

    JD, I’m so glad you asked. Overall I like Patterico, you, and many of the others who comment here.

    Whenever I can agree with a post here, I do rather than ignore it like a lot do.

    I’ll refer you to my post #39:
    As an Obama supporter, I can’t agree more with this post.

    Everyone in positions of power are being watched and scrutinized when it comes to how much they spend.

    Obama should be aware of this as we all are.

    Comment by Oiram — 1/29/2009 @ 10:50 am

    Now I came to that decision based on my assumption that each person was receiving a $100 steak on top of all other expenditures for the evening.
    I feel I might have been mislead by this post.

    Now if you, and or others can find information stating that each person did receive a $100 steak, then my comment #39 stands.

    Oiram (983921)

  83. Is Obama sending us all boxes of Omaha Steaks™?

    Wagyu steak variety to boot?

    Sweet. I love getting stimulated.

    Hanibal Lecter (dcebbd)

  84. Bad to get an expensive steak. Okay to serve same steak in smaller portions. Got it.

    JD (80c89a)

  85. #85 No, JD bad to mislead me into thinking everyone got a $100 steak, if instead it were in portions.

    Oiram (983921)

  86. It intentionally misses the overall point again. SHOCKA

    JD (80c89a)

  87. #87 “It” I’m sure refers to me.

    JD, you undoubtedly assumed each and every person received a $100 steak……… ROCKSTA!

    Oiram (983921)

  88. Imagine the MSM spin on any REPUBLICAN president serving such items in this political climate. “OMG THE HEARTLESS FATCATS!!”

    Mitch (890cbf)

  89. Mario, you are intentionally missing the entire point. The cost of the cut is important. $100/lb beef will cost $25/4oz. $20/lb beef will cost $5/4oz. It’s the high cost v lower cost selection.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  90. No, Mario, that is not at all what I assumed. I assumed that in the worst economic crisis ever, where Teh One us calling for shared sacrifice, that they would not put waygu, in any portions, on the menu. But $160,000,000 for a coronation is starting to make more sense.

    JD (80c89a)

  91. #91 that is not at all what I assumed

    Very Telling JD

    Having said that, (off topic, thanks to JD), yes the “coronation” was excessive.

    Oiram (983921)

  92. where Teh One us calling for shared sacrifice

    heh… I reiterate…

    We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,”

    ‘My fellow Americans can stuff it, though…

    Being a Democrat must be a lot like having Alzheimer, where every day is a brand new begining and what you said is long forgotten by the time you do something ten minutes later…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  93. Yeah, let the peasants eat cake wayugu.

    Pons Asinorum (61628f)

  94. strikeout on cake ;-)

    Pons Asinorum (61628f)

  95. #93 I’m sorry Scott, what were we talking about?

    Oiram (983921)

  96. Oiram – Have you been secretly been giving lessons in obtuseness to imdw?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  97. Daley, I been secretely been giving lessons to obtused ones in this room. :)

    Oiram (983921)

  98. They’ve apparently had a mind – meld of sorts (they needed both to reach the cranial capacity of a normal human being), which leads to the new entity called TrollBorg1000.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  99. I coment when I think I need to, and I think I might no something about the subject matter.

    Other times I just observe. I have yet to see a disenting voice in this room not be called a “Troll” at some point.

    I’m not on here 24/7, so obviously I could be very wrong.

    Either that or all Democrats are “Trolls”.

    Oiram (983921)

  100. “KNOW SOMETHING”

    Oiram (983921)

  101. (FREUDIAN SLIP) :)

    Oiram (983921)

  102. When I read this:

    “… I been secretely been giving lessons to obtused ones in this room…”

    I thought: classic!

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  103. Wasn’t that Clinton who was secretely giving lessons in the Oval Orifice a few years back?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  104. #103 When I read this:

    Oiram – Have you been secretly been giving lessons in obtuseness to imdw?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 1/29/2009 @ 2:23 pm

    And then respond with this: “… I been secretely been giving lessons to obtused ones in this room…”

    And then read this:

    I thought: classic!

    Comment by Eric Blair — 1/29/2009 @ 2:33 pm

    I can only think……. typical :(

    Oiram (983921)

  105. Know, Mario. All Dems are not trolls. But we know how you like to either play dumb or be dumb, and intentionally misconstrue points, and create new definitions of words to suit your narrative. In those instances, you are being trollish.

    JD (80c89a)

  106. As far as Obama-ites are concerned, history is invented daily to suit the Dear Leader.

    It is how you dispel Liberal failures while implementing a bigger version of the failure ……

    ….. As evidence, take note the comments coming from the Econ team responding to how FDR’s stimulus package in 1933 did not work because IT WASN’T ENUFF money ….. which how you justify this non-stimulating pork barrel bill.

    Being Liberal means never having to admit you are flat wrong or remotely sorry simply because you allege “good intentions.”

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  107. #106, Glad to no (know, that’s funny) that you don’t think all Dems are trolls JD (could of fooled me).

    Misconstrue points?

    You mean like when you assumed that when Obama told you $250,000 net profits, you thought and relished in it being gross?

    I’ll bet that fit your narrative just nicely :)

    As long as were sludging out the past.

    Oiram (983921)

  108. Well, one more crook out of office. Blago goes bye-bye.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  109. MariO apparently still does not understand the distinction between revenue and profit.

    JD (80c89a)

  110. That’s o.k, JD, you still need Obama to clarify what $250,000 income means, regardless of what I know or don’t know.

    Could be a small business who actually nets $40,000 (16%) right?

    I understand the ROCKSTA ignorance.

    Oiram (983921)

  111. What is obtuse?

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  112. #111 Sorry, JD didn’t mean to critizize your SPIN abilities by calling it ignorance.

    I know full well, that you knew exactly what Obama was telling you, when it came to taxes, but once again, relaying it in your fashion completed your “nehhreeeteeve” (damn I could never get that right)

    You are the spin meister after all. My compliments.

    Oiram (983921)

  113. Hey, Mario, if you make 25k a year and I make 10 times as much as you, should I have to pay 10 times as much in taxes?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  114. Didn’t Juggy pay $800.00 for a ham in Philadelphia last year? Our boy has expensive tastes. Tony Rezko can attest to that, too.

    nk (bf9c84)

  115. Again, Nario, and for the last time. Teh One, Teh Lightworker, the Constitutional scholar, the smarterest President EVAH chose to use that word. Not I. You choose to give him the benefit of the doubt, and read meaning into that which is not there. Not I. Baracky, bipartisan God Jr never bothered to clarify.

    JD (80c89a)

  116. Didn’t Juggy pay $800.00 for a ham in Philadelphia last year? Our boy has expensive tastes. Tony Rezko can attest to that, too.

    Comment by nk — 1/29/2009 @ 3:54 pm

    That better be a pretty damn good ham! For that I would want the farmer’s 18 year old daughter to come cook it and serve it too (and she better be hot).

    Hanibal Lecter (dcebbd)

  117. #93 I’m sorry Scott, what were we talking about?

    The blatant, rank hypocrisy of President Obama…

    Why, what the fuck were YOU talking about?

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  118. #116 Right he never bothered to clarify, because he assumed it not necessary………….

    And it isn’t necessary you twerp.

    Seriously, when your small business owner buddy tells you he makes $100,000 per year, do you really need to ask him if that is gross profit??

    Jesus H.

    If your not a spin meister your pals must think your a schmuck.

    Oiram (983921)

  119. #114 Comment by John Hitchcock — 1/29/2009 @ 3:53 pm

    …if you make 25k a year and I make 10 times as much as you, should I have to pay 10 times as much in taxes?

    Not if you use TurboTax, John.

    Pons Asinorum (61628f)

  120. Ahh, gross profit, net profit (before taxes), net profit (after taxes), so many terms.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  121. #114 Hey John, when you say “25K” per year, is that after all of my expenses? Payroll, Insurance, rent etc?

    (Do you see how ridiculous that mock follow up question by me to John just was JD?)

    All kidding aside John, I’m not an accountant…… sorry.

    Oiram (983921)

  122. Here’s a little help, Mario. If I make ten times the income you make, I believe I should pay ten times the taxes you do.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  123. so many terms.

    all of them so very, very important when one talks about the tax code…

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  124. Patrick,
    In the “I want money”,castegory,did you notice the opinion piece in the NYT ‘s yesterday proposing an endowment to continue newspapers as non profits?
    I don’t think non profits are exactly like non profitable,but I’m not sure

    corwin (474e30)

  125. #122 Sorry John, I need a little more help with your question:

    What if you use 50 times, or even 100 times the government facilities that I use, making 10 times less?

    Does that get factored in to your equation as well?

    Again, I’m not an accountant.

    Oiram (983921)

  126. so many terms.

    all of them so very, very important when one talks about the tax code…

    Comment by Scott Jacobs — 1/29/2009 @ 4:19 pm

    Absolutely Scott, especially when you are trying to pull the wool over American’s eyes and get them to vote for McCain.

    Oiram (983921)

  127. Mario – your ability to be pigheaded and ridiculous has never been in qiuestion.

    JD (80c89a)

  128. Comment by JD — 1/29/2009 @ 4:32 pm
    He’s the leader of the pack!

    AD (7d0655)

  129. McCain was a bad choice for President. Obama is a much worse choice.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  130. #128 Good One JD,

    Continue the spin meister ROCTA here at Patterico.

    Palin 2012 in fact.

    Later Brothers

    Oiram (983921)

  131. ROKSTA

    Oiram (983921)

  132. #112:

    “Obtuse” can mean homely or ugly, as it is the opposite of “acute”.

    And while I have heard people speak of “acute” girl, I cartainly can imagine what an “obtuse” one looks like.

    Dr. K (acd87f)

  133. Comment by Dr. K — 1/29/2009 @ 4:48 pm

    She does everything with a wide-angle?

    AD (7d0655)

  134. especially when you are trying to pull the wool over American’s eyes and get them to vote for McCain.

    The amusing thing is that you think this makes sense.

    Obama’s statements about HOW he would tax people and businesses left out some VERY important words, which you were happy to fill in yourself without any idea if you were correct.

    That was the brilliance of Obama. He was a blank canvas upon which you could project exactly what you thought “hope” and “change” were, without ever actually getting an answer or definition to any of a hundred different generalities.

    You’re a moron with what appears to be little interest in exactness, because it is in the details that you so frequently learn that you are not just wrong, but completely and utterly fucking wrong.

    ROKSTA

    And finally you dispense with all pretense and stop even trying to make any sense what-so-ever.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  135. Mario,
    I believe John is asking: if you take home 25k and he takes home 250k, should he have to pay 10X the taxes you pay.

    labcatcher (cbe1ae)

  136. Oiram 79: Malkin and Patterico were either too dumb or too lazy to do the least little bit of research on the subject – you would be foolish to take their word for things. A cursory search of the internet shows that you can get wagyu for less than 1/3 of the price quoted by Patterico and I’m pretty sure a professional kitchen doesn’t pay rack rate. Patterico’s lazy, sloppy and shows a casual disregard for truth.

    But this pretty much sums up what’s wrong with the Right right now. I’m pretty sure Patterico wasn’t spending 2000-2008 looking up the menus served at the Bush White House. But now you guys are chasing after every little distraction, no vision, no coherent solutions. You’re a party out of power and you are very much acting like it.

    JD – some wagyu is raised domestically. Therefore it is USDA prime.

    tamizdat (e8f5ce)

  137. Obama’s new slogan:

    Wagyu in every pot and pork in every Democrat bank account!

    Perfect Sense (0922fa)

  138. tamizdat,

    You mean like your entire party labeling our soldiers criminals in Haditha and then having the, be all acquitted?

    Lazy, sloppy and shows a casual disregard for truth means so much more in these matters but hey…..

    This is why all liberals are mentally diseased degenerates.

    Can’t tell the difference between important (sliming troops) — symbolic (wagyu during this time or th 160MM inauguration) — and unimportant (drug use 20 years ago).

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  139. “and then having them be all acquitted”

    Obama über alles!!!!! (48dd5e)

  140. So, tamizdat is going to quibble with the quoted price of waygu beef, rather than the overall point. Mendoucheousness at its finest.

    JD (aba8e3)

  141. Hey, tamizdat:


    ... Malkin and Patterico were either too dumb or too lazy…”

    And yeah, we get the reference from your name: that you think your point of view is dangerous and repressed and all that kind of stuff.

    So why are you posting here? In fact, why don’t you have a blog of your own, where you carefully research topics and present them for discussion? Where you can actually do something positive and productive?

    Instead of doing nothing, and having the temerity to call someone else lazy. Or stupid.

    Perhaps your name should be Maynard G. Krebs?

    Seriously, dude, this is someone else’s place. Why the rudeness? Disagree all you like. But without the tough-guy, Troof to Powder approach, okay?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  142. It is a mental midget. I am sure it will post a link to somewhere where it found waygu beef @ $80 a pound, and will think that somehow proves a point, not knowing it will simply prove the meta story that this is about.

    JD (aba8e3)

  143. Tam is Crap says:

    Patterico’s lazy, sloppy and shows a casual disregard for truth.

    As opposed to the following “facts” stated in the press regarding Bush, which of course were rigorously checked by his betters in the MSM:

    - plastic turkey
    - National Guard records
    - cocaine use
    - Blood for Oil/Halliburton
    - Cheney’s monkeyboy

    But hey, those aren’t really important things to actually take the time to fact – check? Goodness, you’re quite the asshat, yes?

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  144. At the market today, someone said that all Democrats were stupid, and I just had to correct him.
    No, I counseled him, all Democrats aren’t stupid; most are just ill-informed, the rest are stupid!

    AD (7d0655)

  145. Perhaps your name should be Maynard G. Krebs?

    I think that’s unfair to the character, Eric – I’m thinking more along the lines of Ernest T. Bass, a redneck moron who can’t read, write or even wear shoes. It’s me, it’s me, it’s ERNEST T!

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  146. Yeah, Bob Denver was funny, as well—despite his reaction to the concept of “work.” Good point, Dmac.

    But remember this famous line from Ernest?

    “..I don’t chew my cabbage twice. And you ain’t heard the last of Ernest T. Bass!…”

    We should change it to:


    “…I don’t chew my waygu and arugula twice. And you ain’t heard the last of tamizdat!..

    It almost rhymes.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  147. Comment by AD — 1/29/2009 @ 5:40 pm
    Yeah. “Stupid” is taking over and making smart and brainy obsolete.

    McConnell warns of grim GOP future

    McConnell painted a dismal picture of the state of his party.
    (CNN) – Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell painted a downright dismal view of the state of his party Thursday afternoon, telling Republican National Committee members the GOP is in grave danger of being marginalized to a regional party.

    “We’re all concerned about the fact that the very wealthy and the very poor, the most and least educated, and a majority of minority voters, seem to have more or less stopped paying attention to us,” the Kansas Republican said on the second day of the four-day gathering.

    “And we should be concerned that, as a result of all this, the Republican Party seems to be slipping into a position of being more of a regional party than a national one.

    “In politics there’s a name for a regional party, it’s called a minority party,” said McConnell.

    The sobering remarks came one day before the 168 members of the RNC are set to elect a chairman tasked with steering the party out of its beleaguered status, and win back some of the voting blocs virtually abandoned the party last November, including minority and younger voters.

    Emperor7 (0c8c2c)

  148. From now on, it’s tamasshat.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  149. After looking for 8 more minutes I found wagyu beef (in bulk) at a little over 6 dollars a pound. Maybe some of you can’t appreciate the difference between 100 dollars a pound and 6 dollars a pound…

    Here I thought you all would be relieved that astronomical sums weren’t necessarily being spent on the cocktail nibbles just because Patterico or Malkin said so. But it appears that enmity towards Obama is greater than a love of truth.

    tamizdat (e8f5ce)

  150. Comment by Emperor7 — 1/29/2009 @ 5:52 pm

    Abraham Lincoln was the member of a regional party!
    As was Thomas Jefferson.

    AD (7d0655)

  151. So please lay off the “stupid” and “lazy” business. Especially when you are posting on the blog of someone else who is…well…doing work and this blog and holding down a job that I can safely predict is better than yours (and mine, by the way).

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  152. And tamizdat? Please post those links, since you found them so quickly. It might be interesting.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  153. Comment by tamizdat — 1/29/2009 @ 5:56 pm

    In my neighborhood, USDA Prime Porterhouse can’t be bought for less than $15/lb. – won’t even talk about the price for Prime Filet Mignon. I sure would hate trying to chew that $6 whatever – probably something leftover from a hamburger grind.

    AD (7d0655)

  154. Yeah. “Stupid” is taking over and making smart and brainy obsolete.

    That would explain the last two elections.

    Tamizdat — we get it. You didn’t get the point people were trying to make. Now move on to something else. M’kay?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  155. Where can I buy waygu for $6 a pound, tamizdat? If you can, and it is edible, please have them set aside about 20 pounds for me.,

    JD (aba8e3)

  156. After looking for 8 more minutes I found wagyu beef (in bulk) at a little over 6 dollars a pound.

    That’s impossible, since Kobe Beef sells for FAR more than that, and Wagyu is just the very top of the line Kobe…

    And, technically, all Kobe Beef is japanese, from cows raised in Japan, so Wagyu can not be grown in the US.

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

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  158. After looking for 8 more minutes I found wagyu beef (in bulk) at a little over 6 dollars a pound

    No, we were discussing beef that’s not already infected with Botulism, Tamasshat.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  159. Should you want something more modest, Lobel’s offers Wagyu brisket ($62.98 for 4 pounds); the Yamamotos offer ground beef ($69.95 for 10 pounds) and even hot dogs that contain Wagyu.

    That’s from the MSNBC article linked in the post.

    After looking for 8 more minutes I found wagyu beef (in bulk) at a little over 6 dollars a pound. Maybe some of you can’t appreciate the difference between 100 dollars a pound and 6 dollars a pound…

    Maybe tamizdat can’t appreciate the difference between steaks and ground chuck, in bulk. I didn’t have to spend 8 minutes searching for that. I just read the link.

    Pablo (99243e)

  160. Here is Lobel’s meat from New York, American Wagyu Dry-Aged Bone-In Rib Steak
    $72.00 bucks for a 16oz Steak.

    ML (14488c)

  161. Allen Brothers supplies many of the premiere steakhouses. They seem to start Wagyu steaks at about $125/pound. But they’re giving away Wagyu ground beef to new customers.

    Pablo (99243e)

  162. Ah, and that’s American wagyu, not Japanese.

    Pablo (99243e)

  163. Comment by Scott Jacobs — 1/29/2009 @ 4:55 pm

    Truly amazing Scott, you have now joined the ranks of JD in not knowing what Obama meant by $250,000 during his campaign.

    Actually, I know you and JD are smart enough to know that Obama meant profits after expenses, payroll, merchandise, etc, (I.E., what we pay taxes on).

    About 53% of voters knew what he meant as well (Thank God).

    I also am well aware that you both were smart enough to know that many Americans were more than eager to be lured into beliving the nonsense notion that Obama will raise everyone’s taxes.

    I wonder by how much more of a bigger margin Obama would of won, if you guys weren’t spouting your false ignorance?

    Oh well, I guess Obama will have to live with a landslide, instead of complete and utter humiliation.

    Oiram (5df6fd)

  164. Mario, are you aware if Congress does nothing, our federal taxes will be raised? And Obama can say he didn’t raise our taxes. There’s this little tax cut thingy that got passed but with a time limit. Once that time limit expires, it reverts back and people pay more taxes.

    And you never directly answered my other question. If you get paid 25k a year and I get paid 250k a year, do you believe I should pay 10 times the tax you have to pay?

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  165. #167 John, of course I’m aware of that. Do you really think we can continue without our taxes being raised?

    Can you think of time in the history of….. well the world, when a country went to war for as many years as we did, and didn’t raise taxes? In fact actually lower taxes for the wealthy?

    My argument with JD has been about the way Obama’s words were twisted, specifically concerning people/business’s making less than $250,000 not being taxed.

    JD and apparently Scott want everyone to believe that $250,000 probably means gross profits.
    Hopefully your not part of that.

    Do you know what a business that grosses $250,000 probably actually makes in taxable income? Impossible to know right? Every business has a different profit structure, therefore of course Obama’s campaign rhetoric “$250,000″ meant taxable income.

    Anyways getting back to your unanswred question.

    If I make 10 times less than you, don’t you think your business or employer uses more than 10 times the public rights that I do? Roads, bridges, attorneys, courts etc?

    Actually, with all the loopholes that are created by the significanly wealthy, a proportianate tax might be a start.
    Are you o.k. with that?

    I make $25,000 and say pay 18% or $4,500. Mobil makes 25 billion and pays say $4.5 billion (18%).

    Do you really believe that’s how it works at that level of wealth?

    And please spare me the fact that corporations are paying 95% of America’s taxes.

    Oiram (5df6fd)

  166. Corporations don’t pay taxes. Consumers do. The only reason for progressive taxes is for wealth-redistribution. And wealth-redistribution is un-American. I tire of the socialism and politics of envy. If I earn the money, it is mine and not yours, so I keep it and you don’t get it.

    And the fact of the matter is, if you lower the tax burdens on everyone, the federal government will get more tax dollars coming in. And that’s historically proven.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  167. #169

    Why don’t corporations pay taxes? They use the same public roads etc. that the consumers use? In fact aren’t corporations also consumers?

    “Wealth redistribution is un-American? Even at a fair scale in the form of taxes?

    It’s not envy John, it’s the need for fairness.

    Don’t get me wrong, I like capitalism. I just don’t have trust in big business spending their money in a fashion that will increase the consumer middle class. They need regulation and they certainly need to pay their fair share in taxes.

    And the fact of the matter is, if you lower the tax burdens on everyone, the federal government will get more tax dollars coming in. And that’s historically proven.

    The last eight years has not proven that to me John.

    .

    Oiram (5df6fd)

  168. Road Use Tax that trucking companies pay (the reason for all those stickers on the side of the vehicles) gets passed on to the receivers. The receivers increase the price of their finished goods to pass on the road use tax. Individual person pays higher price to make up for increased cost of doing business. Therefore, the individual person at the end of the line pays that road use tax, not the trucking company.

    Corporate tax gets added to price of finished product. Individual pays higher price to make up for increased cost of doing business. Therefore, the individual pays the corporate tax, not the corporation.

    Gasoline tax gets added at the pump, therefore the individual pays the gasoline tax and not the gas station.

    Sales tax gets added on to finished goods, therefore the individual pays the sales tax and not the company.

    The individual pays income tax, sales tax, gas tax, profit tax, property tax, and artificially inflated prices to make up for all sorts of corporate taxes. There is no tax levied that isn’t passed down to the individual person.

    There are only certain items the Constitution permits the government to spend money on. And those things are the only legitimate reasons for taxes. Wealth redistribution is not a legitimate reason.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  169. And, oh, “deregulation” is a misnomer. A complete and total lack of regulations would be anarchist and not conservative.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  170. #171 John, I used to own a small business (under $250,000…… I know you know what that means).

    I made 30% profit from the gross. For example, I bought the product for 70 cents and sold it for a buck. This was an adequate amount to make a comfortable living. This amount was of course before my expenses, payroll, etc…….. and of course taxes…. still adequate.

    I took into account how much I would need to pay in taxes based on my income, and did not need to pass this tax amount on to my customers.
    If business went up, I paid more taxes, business went down, of course I paid less.

    How did I make more money? Not by raising the prices of my goods, but by creating and seaking more customers, therefore increasing my profits, and of course my taxes paid, I.E. more comfortable living, more payroll.

    If we all do this on a fair scale, big business as well as large, without loopholes afforded and found by the wealthy, don’t you think the middle class will expand?

    Oiram (5df6fd)

  171. #172 You mean to tell me conservatives don’t want to at least approach “Deregulation”, if not as near as they can possibly get with out anarchy?

    Believe me, I’m not a socialist, nor do I want to have complete regulation.

    In fact, I don’t think this country could survive without the tug and pull of our current two party system……… I just happen to favour one side over the other.

    You may not believe me, but I also am praying that the Conservative Republican party does rebound, despite all the crap I give to it, you and others at this site.

    John, great discussion.

    Good Night.

    Oiram (5df6fd)

  172. I took into account how much I would need to pay in taxes based on my income, and did not need to pass this tax amount on to my customers.

    First, you were already passing the tax on to your customers, because it was built into the price.

    Second, businesses don’t always raise their prices to account for new taxes. Sometimes they cut back on their payroll. So the tax gets “paid” by out-of-work employees.

    Finally, even if you’re going to argue that you didn’t really pass the tax on to your customers, there are plenty of taxes you and other businesses already pass on: sales tax being the most obvious.

    Anyway, your cost structure includes what you pay in taxes. Your labor costs include payroll tax. None of those get paid out of your own pocket, they get paid by your revenues, which come from your customers.

    Steverino (b12c49)

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