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1/19/2009

Al Qaeda News

Filed under: Terrorism — DRJ @ 9:44 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

The good news? An al Qaeda affiliate in Algeria may have bungled a biological or chemical weapons experiment and killed at least 40 of its members.

The bad news? Al Qaeda in Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia is the “most operationally capable affiliate in the organization right now” and it is working on biological or chemical weapons.

No wonder Obama is considering a loophole for enhanced interrogations.

— DRJ

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Me, I’m just reassured to see that this particular branch of al Qaeda “maintains about a dozen bases in Algeria” and may already possess biological weapons.

Happy Inauguration, everyone!

113 Responses to “Al Qaeda News”

  1. Al Queda News – you mean MSNBC?

    Apogee (f4320c)

  2. DRJ, as I wrote in another thread, I sure hope that this isn’t what it looks like.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  3. Eric,

    I saw your comment and I had read yesterday’s reports that the deaths were due to the plague, but now the Washington Times (link above) suggests the deaths were bungled experiments. If so, I agree that’s really bad news.

    DRJ (345e40)

  4. The enhanced interrogations are of Cheney. And Fox News staff.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  5. Racists. I hope you had fun dancing on the Constitution the last 8 years.

    JD (403bd4)

  6. How long before this stuff gets smuggled into France, and then walks all over Europe?

    These guys in Algeria have been killing thousands of their own people for years, in very brutal, gruesome ways. They are not above using any of this stuff.

    AD (c9522d)

  7. It could also be pulmonary anthrax. Plague is pretty sensitive to antibiotics although the pneumonic form spreads very rapidly. California has a plague case about every two years. It’s in the ground squirrel population in the Sierras. Pneumonic is rare in wild cases but does occur. There was an outbreak in Los Angeles in 1924. Bob Cleland, who wrote the 1971 article quoted, was a friend of mine.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  8. Seriously, DRJ. Remember the fun and games from the anthrax business. I’m worried about this nonsense. And I doubt we will get the whole story. Perhaps that is just as well.

    Plague wouldn’t be a good biowar agent, actually.

    Bill Frist (who got quite a bum rap, I think), wrote a good book about biowarfare for nonscientists. It’s worth a read.

    http://www.amazon.com/When-Every-Moment-Counts-Bioterrorism/dp/0742522458

    Rather, I hope that it isn’t worth a read.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  9. Dr. K., I have a story about PA that I will send to you via e-mail tomorrow. Inhalation anthrax is often explained by “contaminated rugs,” but that just makes me think aerosol.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  10. I sincerely believe that Obama is a total liar about his promise of change, which is why his promises were so vague.

    and thankfully, the torture loophole, SecDef Gates, and Iraq waffling proves I’m at least 90% right. Obama will take Bush’s war on terror playbook and basically follow Bush’s direction as closely as possible. And he’s a smart guy to do so, since he’d be doing well to have Bush’s post 9/11 track record.

    Also thankfully, Obama will not have CIA leaks to the NYT destroying his best operations. He won’t have to deal with unpatriotic morons who hope for the worst. most of the right will actually respect the ‘water’s edge’ idea, and those on the right who don’t will probably be shunned.

    Joco (4cdfb7)

  11. After Bush kept us safe for the past seven years plus, Obama is effectively constrained by that fact. He CANNOT allow another major terrorist incident to take place on American soil. If it happens, his presidency will be judged a failure. The same MSM that has savaged Pres Bush for ‘letting the country’s guard down’ will NOT be able to sell a new incident under an Obama administration as anything other than a minus on his presidential report card.

    Icy Texan (from the site of President Bush's homecoming) (b7d162)

  12. As for biological and chemical attacks – there are some very good reasons that almost everyone frowns upon them as a viable weapon system.

    1. biological is messy because it can easily backfire – the ability to contain an outbreak to a geographic locale is almost impossible. From the news story, it also becomes clear that the handling of said pathogens is tricky. Also, a quick acting pathogen such as Marburg or Ebola Zaire must usually be transmitted by fluid contact and burns through victims at an alarming rate – therefore containment is readily achieved by quarantine and isolation. Other, airborne pathogens such as the H5N1 bird flu virus must usually recombine and mutate within a human host into a human transmissible form – not reliable for an attack. Smallpox is weak in it’s aerosolized form – airlines, offices and hotels could replace their interior lighting with ultra violet and kill much of the capacity for airborne transmission – the most deadly type. I leave off plague, as it is treatable – any treatable biohazards are far less terrifying for that reason, and terror is the reason for the use, not actual decimation.

    One other note, poor countries that issue biological attacks on wealthy countries are asking for their own demise. Substandard healthcare and lack of sanitary conditions almost demand that Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia would suffer far worse fates than the US, and keeping the pathogens out of those countries is effectively impossible. The more successful the attack, the larger the backfire.

    2. Chemical – Chemical weapons can be contained, but the problem is dispersion. They are diluted with exposure to the elements. They are either caustic (demanding specialized containers), need to be mixed or diluted, or are difficult to obtain in large quantities, and the more complex, the more expensive. Also, the larger the quantity, the more difficult to transport, and more difficult still to disperse effectively. Ineffective delivery ensures survivors. Every survivor is a failure – diluting the terror of the attack. As for anthrax – it can be treated if discovered quickly, and must be weaponized for maximal effect.

    Shooting random people will accomplish the same type of terror – and at far less expense. If Al Queda really is researching bio and chem attacks – it is actually good news, as their strategy is very poor, and they will only make more enemies than they already have.

    I’m far more concerned with PC legal jihad, where obscene cultural views and behaviors are litigated into normalcy.

    Apogee (f4320c)

  13. At least they died without suffering a few seconds of water being poured up their nose.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  14. Christopher Hitchens engaged in a thought experiment:

    Hitchens on why Bush really was the best choice over Gore and Kerry!

    And Hitchens explains why Bush should not be prosecuted for any “war crimes”:

    Now we know why Andrew Sullivan did not give Hitch any tongue!

    Joe (17aeff)

  15. Inshallah!

    Javert (58b08c)

  16. Allah Akbar every time one of these scum get the express to paradise, which, Inshallah, turns out to be Satan’s vacation place.

    Joe (17aeff)

  17. Let them plague themselves all they want. Saves us the trouble.

    Techie (6b5d8d)

  18. I’m far more concerned with PC legal jihad, where obscene cultural views and behaviors are litigated into normalcy.

    Apogee nailed it.

    Old Coot (c4e65d)

  19. Years ago young adults played games with rules that came in books and boxes instead of cartridges. Strange, but true. Anyway, at about the same time some in the media and some Democrats spun a tale about President Reagan and how was going to end the world. Those of you who were not into games probably remember the 1984 “Terminator” and films like that. One of those games in that decade was based on the premise that hate filled Muslim terrorists created a biological weapon that was released accidentally, and wiped out 90% of the people on the planet. Your objective in the game was to survive, and hopefully start rebuilding civilization.
    Hollywood, most Democrats and the MSM always paints America as the bad guy. Will everything still be our fault if the hate filled Muslim terrorists destroy the world?

    tyree (77f686)

  20. This is some interesting al Qaeda news, as well.

    “It’s bad enough that al Qaeda is losing senior people, it’s worse that they are now seen, by local tribesmen, as a way to get rich. Al Qaeda leaders now know what it’s like to be terrorized.”

    MTF (a04f28)

  21. Will everything still be our fault if the hate filled Muslim terrorists destroy the world?

    No, the Joos will also be blamed.

    Old Coot (c4e65d)

  22. […] that those who’d want to return to the middle ages died of the black death. The rub is that (found at Patterico’s Pontifications) they were evidently experimenting with the disease as a weapon.  So thinking about it that way, […]

    Target Rich Environment » Blog Archive » On the Black Death @ the Al Qaeda Camp… (ccab3e)

  23. I raise my Diet Dr. Pepper in a toast to the AlQaeda who met Allah. May many more join you in the same manner.

    PCD (7fe637)

  24. Apogee, your analysis is mostly correct, but the one error you make is discounting the terror component of a biological or chemical attack that gives it a dimension useful to terrorists over and above that of a conventional attack.

    SPQR (72771e)

  25. Yes, the objective of terrorism is not to accomplish military victories, per se, but to instill panic into the civilian population that causes them to doubt the ability of the government to protect them.

    AD (8f1f13)

  26. “…causes them to doubt the ability of the government to protect them.”

    Shoot, my government couldn’t stop 20 million illegal immigrants from walking across the border and getting jobs. I have zero confidence in their ability to protect me. They might be protecting some group or population somewhere in the country, but they sure don’t give a damn about California.

    tyree (158c98)

  27. So Bush didn’t leave office with terrorism defeated?

    Ed from PA (5550d5)

  28. No, Ed. And Lyndon Johnson did not defeat poverty.

    SPQR (72771e)

  29. SPQR – From what I can remember, the John Lee Malvo sniper attacks caused much greater disturbance (to the public) than the anthrax letters. Both equally random, both deadly, and the anthrax attacks took far longer to solve. If the perpetrators hadn’t been caught asleep in their car, the attacks could have occurred for quite a bit longer, and as they were unorganized, they were far less effective.

    I think my point is that the ability to terrorize depends on the perception of lethality and the repeatability of the method. Once weaknesses in either are demonstrated, then the level of terror drops. For this reason I feel that the difficulty of chem and bio make them a poor choice for asymmetrical warfare.

    An unrelated example – are you more or less afraid this week of being a passenger in in airliner flying over water?

    Apogee (f4320c)

  30. Bush said all along the war against terrorism would take a long time, Ed. Those of us whose minds aren’t so muddled by TV dramas that we expect all problems to be resolved in an hour can recognize the great progress made against terrorism.

    Steverino (69d941)

  31. ^^^^^^^^ straw man argument alert^^^^^^

    Ed from PA (5550d5)

  32. Thanks, Ed, but we knew you were making a strawman argument without the alert.

    SPQR (72771e)

  33. Apogee, I would respectfully disagree with you myself. As I saw a lot of fear, and disruption in mail room operations in large corporations and government offices across the entire country as a result of the anthrax scare.

    SPQR (72771e)

  34. Care to point out where the straw man is, Ed? I mean, aside from your comment. Because I don’t recall Bush saying terrorism would be defeated before he left office, but I do recall him saying many times the war would take a long time.

    Steverino (69d941)

  35. SPQR – disruption in mail room operations in large corporations and government offices across the entire country

    Agreed, which is why I specified (to the public). Disruption and terror are two different objectives, and, IMHO, terrorism only works when the public at large is affected. If we’re counting disruption, then the TSA has done far worse than OBL ever did.

    Apogee (f4320c)

  36. Apogee, again I say this with great respect, but several years ago I got to deal with a mail room clerk who had opened an envelope with a powdered substance included in it.

    SPQR (72771e)

  37. Baracky has been President for almost an hour. I still have a mortgage payment, I could use some gas in my car, and there are still people out there that hate us. I blame Baracky.

    JD (8ed545)

  38. JD – You still have all those things because of your racism. The rest of us pure souls are now devoid of want.

    SPQR – If you have more of that story and can tell it, I’d be interested.

    Apogee (f4320c)

  39. The rest of us pure souls are now devoid of want.

    Well, there goes the consumer society down the crapper.

    AD (8f1f13)

  40. Apogee – How right you are. How could I have forgotten that? I must cleanse myself. And, submit.

    I blame Kyoto.

    JD (8ed545)

  41. And Baracky.

    Racists.

    JD (8ed545)

  42. I blame Hannity for playing and mis-representing that woman’s statements about mortgage payments. Then again, I blame Hannity for a lot.

    timb (a83d56)

  43. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, timmah. THey are listening to you. Oh, never mind. Teh One has been annointed. Nobody is listening to your calls anymore.

    JD (8ed545)

  44. Shouldn’t the mendoucheous trolls be out celebrating Teh Ascension? Even on a day of inter-galactic peace and harmony, they feel the need to be trolls.

    JD (8ed545)

  45. Hey JD, since Obama currently has a 75% approval rating, doesn’t that make you and the bulk of the anti Obamite commenters at this wonderful site “Trolls”?

    Maybe even “mendoucheous trolls”?

    Again not the site itself Patterico, in fact I commend it on it’s ongoing optimism.

    Oiram (983921)

  46. “…doesn’t that make you and the bulk of the anti Obamite commenters at this wonderful site “Trolls”?”

    No, it only confirms our position as Realists, who don’t inhabit a fantasy world.

    “Pick yourself up, Dust yourself off, and start all over again (rebuilding America, Heh?)”
    Music by Jerome Kern, with lyrics by Dorothy Fields

    AD (8f1f13)

  47. Dude, I didn’t phone that comment in! How do you think these intertubes work;)?

    See, jd, it’s a new era! Instead of being the proxy for the [second] most vile administration in my lifetime, I now see you as a harmless kook and your rage is entertaining and harmless.

    Also, I found myself feeling sorry for you when you talked about your back surgeries. I’ve never had that particular brand of injury, but I work with people who have it and the pain must just be excruciating.

    I also remembered how you liked playing basketball and I imagine that must be harder (if possible at all) after the surgeries.

    Damn you, jd, for showing your human side. When you are the caricature of right wing fury and spitting invective at those who disagree, it’s pretty hard not to loathe you. Then you have to go and remind me you’re just a pretty successful guy who is wrong about politics. Reminding some of us about your humanity is something you seem loathe to do.

    Oh, and don’t worry, I’m well aware the assumption is not returned. The 78% of people who consider Bush a failure; the 87% who disapprove of Cheney; and those of us who spent a day at the polls turning Indiana blue are just “mendacious trolls,” who obsessively “lie,” and are favored with others bon mots from the “clever” side of JD.

    But, that’s okay.

    I was just glad to hear you were well. It had been so long since you insulted anyone, I was afraid something happened to you. So, anyway, in the spirit of reconciliation, I renounce the agreement we made earlier. You should post whatever feckless insult you want after my posts and we can enjoy insulting each other in peace*

    *I figure that way, I’ll never have to contemplate your human side again. I’ll be happy with the inhuman hatred you usually toss on the wall and not the real JD.

    timb (a83d56)

  48. No, Mario. You do not get to redefine what a troll is.

    JD (8ed545)

  49. Disagreeing with someone is spittle flecked hatred now that Teh One has ascended. Gotcha.

    JD (8ed545)

  50. #47, Well, AD (wasn’t talking to you) but that’s o.k.

    I happen to think that 75% of our nation is not living in a “fantasy world”, and in fact a large percentage of that percentage have labored their way out of the fantasy that was the last eight years :)

    Oiram (983921)

  51. I do not want to insult you, timmah. I want you to go away. I want you to quit posting personal information about me. I want you to quit stalking me. I certainly do not want your pity. FWIW, I did not call you mendacious, I called you mendoucheous. Subtle difference.

    JD (8ed545)

  52. One of those games in that decade was based on the premise that hate filled Muslim terrorists created a biological weapon that was released accidentally, and wiped out 90% of the people on the planet. Your objective in the game was to survive, and hopefully start rebuilding civilization.

    Was that “After the Holocaust”?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  53. #49 Your right JD, I don’t get to redefine what a troll is here.

    Have that dyslexia checked and perhaps that will fix your definitions in the real world. There’s hope for you still.

    Oiram (983921)

  54. “…You do not get to redefine what a troll is…”
    Though he seems to believe that he is entitled to redefine everything else.
    Some people just have this overweening sense of themselves;
    but now, he has to perform as President.

    AD (8f1f13)

  55. No, Oiram. You do not get to redefine what a troll is anywhere. That term is not unique to this site. It refers to a specific type of individual, regardless of political affiliation.

    JD (8ed545)

  56. There you go again, JD…
    Being soooo judgemental.

    AD (8f1f13)

  57. Disagreeing with someone is spittle flecked hatred now that Teh One has ascended. Gotcha.

    No, stupid, your spittle flecked hatred as always been just that since, well, forever. You are a vile, opinion-free presence on any blog, JD. So, since you can go back to the site wherein we first made acquaintance and I cannot, then you can do so and not have to read my comments.*

    *Wow, I feel so much better now that you’re an asshole again. Oh, and the way you equate reading comprehension with stalking? Just precious. I don’t know anything about you that you have not blurted out on open website. God, you’re a tool.

    As for,

    FWIW, I did not call you mendacious, I called you mendoucheous. Subtle difference.

    Point taken and correction noted. Keep hate alive, jd! You can ride it to victory in 2010!

    timb (a83d56)

  58. Another display of projection.

    SPQR (72771e)

  59. Do you type that 30 times a day, SPQR. Seriously, you’re as cliched as Michael Moore is fat. Buy another pithy comment from some blog store, because the same ol’, same ol’ is just a waste of your contempt for me.

    timb (a83d56)

  60. See folks. This timmah thing is kind of creepy. Even moreso on a day where all of them should be out celebrating The Reign of King Obama.

    I do not hate you, timmah. I truly feel sorry for you. Isn’t there a playground somewhere that your are welcome at?

    Personally, I like it’s suggestion that I go to another site, where it was banned, so I do not have to deal with it stalking me here. Listen, you little person, you will not dictate to me where I go, and who I associate with. I choose to visit here because I enjoy most of the people, obviously, you are not in that group. You choose to comment here, as you were banned from PW, and apparently Prof. Caric is not enough for you. That you go back, literally over a year ago, and collect nuggets of information to compile and publish, as well as hinting about the physical location of myself and my family is disturbing. The owners of the site here tolerate you. Does not mean I have to.

    Now go celebrate your win. Savor it. Enjoy it. But you cannot, can you? You have to be you.

    JD (8ed545)

  61. They really are sad and pathetic.

    JD (8ed545)

  62. I wonder if Al Qaeda likes peanut butter or peanut butter snacks?

    ML (14488c)

  63. It figures,
    Even the threat of a pandemic started by hate filled Muslim terrorists is not enough to sober up the Bush haters. I guess there is a reason so many of them march in support of Hamas.

    tyree (158c98)

  64. #61 Even moreso on a day where all of them should be out celebrating The Reign of King Obama.

    See JD, dissenting points of view are one thing, but making statements like that are the true definition of “Troll”. What’s the matter? Barracky doesn’t work for you anymore?

    See, I’m not saying you are 100% troll, because you do come up with intelligent anti Obama points much of the time, but when you come up with crap like “King Obama” and “baracky” (not sure if I spelled it correctly) it only brings you down to the level of the “Trolls” you castigate here on a daily basis.

    Oiram (983921)

  65. No, Oiram. That is not the true definition of a troll. Why do you freakin’ insist on attempting to redefine everything to suit your narrative?

    JD (8ed545)

  66. #64 tyree, I don’t hate Bush or support Hamas.

    However I am glad the Bush error is over :)

    Oiram (983921)

  67. I will be happy when Oiram learns how to use Webster’s Unabridged, as opposed to Oiram’s Fictional Dictionary.

    JD (8ed545)

  68. I’ll be happy when the hypocritical projection BS comments like timb and oiram’s end. It got damn old a long time ago to read admonitions not to do something that the commenter was himself doing at the same time.

    SPQR (72771e)

  69. #66 Not trying to redefine anything JD, just wondering how you don’t see the hypocrisy in calling people “Trolls” when you fit your definition on a daily basis.

    Your smarter than that.

    Oiram (983921)

  70. I only fit the definition of a troll if you completely bastardize the actual definition of troll, Oiram. Were I commenting at Kos, manbearpig, Atrios, etc … Then maybe you would have a point.

    JD (d1c83a)

  71. #69 When the so called “hypocritical projection BS comments” end, that is when you will have a boring rah rah conservative site all to yourself SPQR.

    Could happen, especially if President Obama is successful and we deem you as insignificant.

    America hopes we deem you as insignificant :)

    Oiram (983921)

  72. “…Your smarter than that…”

    Still having problems with those compound words, are we?

    “…America hopes we deem you as insignificant…”

    Did you take a poll, or did someone die and they made you King?

    AD (8f1f13)

  73. Oiram, no, when the projection nonsense ends, then you will actually be contributing something intelligible to the discussion. I won’t hold my breath waiting. Especially not for timb.

    SPQR (72771e)

  74. I do not hate you, timmah. I truly feel sorry for you. Isn’t there a playground somewhere that your are welcome at?

    comment by JD

    You should admonish your boy, too.

    Ed from PA (5550d5)

  75. “…Your BOY!…”

    Thin ice alert.

    AD (8f1f13)

  76. When the so called “hypocritical projection BS comments” end, that is when you will have a boring rah rah conservative site all to yourself SPQR.

    At least Mario admits that it is engaged in hypocritical projection BS comments. Good on ya’

    I denounce myself, Ed. How about dem apples?!

    JD (c5f3ab)

  77. Hey, Ed just used a racial epithet! Congrats, it takes a keen intellect to come up with something so thoughtful and witty as that one. Eddie, got anything for us regarding the evil Jooos?

    Have that dyslexia checked

    He’ll take care of that after you learn how to converse in intelligible language for once in your life. Your move, Poindexter.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  78. For eight years many of us have had to endure the unending insults, vile references, and death-wishes directed at political leaders that we particularly favor.
    Now, it seems that those who have run roughshod over the boundaries of good taste for lo, these many years,
    are unable to take any reciprocal insults in stride.
    Oh, Boo-Hoo! I am so sad that their little feelings are all in a twist.

    All of you on the Left that celebrated your feelings of diminishment for the Bush Administration need to realize that now, no matter what happens, good – bad – indifferent, it is on you and yours, and we get to criticize.
    You should be so lucky if we stay within those boundaries that you so gleefully ignored.
    And remember, criticism is the highest form of patriotism!

    AD (8f1f13)

  79. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism !!!eleventy!!!!11

    JD (c5f3ab)

  80. Correction #80: Dissent is now the highest form of racism.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  81. Touche’

    JD (c5f3ab)

  82. Comment by AD — 1/20/2009 @ 3:30 pm

    That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever seen posted on here in my short time. Kudos to you.

    Ed from PA (5550d5)

  83. Ed, you cannot deny AD’s statements with any sense of integrity. AD’s assertions on the activities of the left are accurate. There is a huge body of historical evidence to back them up. So, please take your redefinition of the term “ignorant” elsewhere.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  84. My Momma always said, Stupid is, as stupid does; and then comes Ed to prove her point.

    AD (8f1f13)

  85. That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever seen posted on here in my short time.

    Gee Eddy, let’s not make your stay a long one, nnnkay? Don’t let the door hit you on your ginormous arse on the way out.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  86. “and those of us who spent a day at the polls turning Indiana blue are just “mendacious trolls”

    timb @48 – Are you admitting you helped fix the election here? The observer status you claimed at the time doesn’t actually do anything according to the state or require any special training so your wording is very curious. If you got the training other went through, great, but superfluous for a political hack appointment that you tried to make sound important here. The info about the position and requirements is available on the State of Indiana website timb.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  87. “That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever seen posted on here in my short time.”

    Geez Ed, coming from a libtard who’s buddies were probably among those throwing eggs at Bush during his first inauguration and never let up, even taunting with such class today in Washington, your credibility here carries great weight.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  88. If you read his post again slowly, you can hear the mouth – breathing, coupled with the furious pounding of tiny fists.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  89. What is a libtard? Would you people mind using the queens’ English? It is difficult to understand what you’re trying to say when you are using words that have no meaning.

    I certainly hope that you are not making fun of the mentally handicapped with this ‘libtard’ statement. I don’t think it is appropriate to poke fun at the guy just a few hours after he leaves office.

    Ed from PA (5550d5)

  90. Liberals have no use with facts as facts defeat liberal assertions every time. Conservatives have little use with liberals as facts defeat liberal assertions every time. Or that’s my view.

    While I strongly dislike the “libtard” terminology, it is directed at the factually vacuous nature of liberals.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  91. Ed – Liberalism is a mental disease. Rational and intelligent people have no excuses for believing in its failed ideology, if in fact they can even point out any core principles of one. Calling a person a libtard is just a short form diagnosis of mentally diseased liberals.

    QED

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  92. At least the loophole will be secret. They will love that at the Hague.

    Dreadnaught (0d494e)

  93. Liberalism is a “feel good” anarchical-type philosophy. The “feel good” nature of the philosophy is summarily defeated by the results of the philosophy. The anarchical design, albeit mostly accidental, is the “me first” nature of it with the OPM add-on to defray the cost of the “me first”-ness of the philosophy.

    Since liberals are not constrained by facts, morals, logic, responsibility, the liberal philosophy can continue by appealing to the most base of human desires and eschew personal responsibility while lambasting others for “forcing their beliefs down our throats” as liberals are known to shrilly scream.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  94. Libtard or Libertard?

    I prefer Libertard

    Da'Shiznit (df1dcc)

  95. Libertard (noun): A Conservative without reason and accountability.

    Da'Shiznit (df1dcc)

  96. @95 – Theoretically they are different. Think Ron Paul versus Ted Kennedy.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  97. Daley,

    Libertarian versus Liberal?

    This is an interesting issue.

    Da'Shiznit (df1dcc)

  98. #90 Comment by Ed from PA — 1/20/2009 @ 5:43 pm

    What is a libtard?

    My guess:

    Someone who voted in the spirit of anti-Americanism for a man and on behalf of a party, as opposed to voting in good faith for a President and on behalf of the Country. Not to be confused with Americans of a variety of political beliefs and philosophies (liberal, conservative, etc) who voted in good faith.

    Pons Asinorum (769f0f)

  99. Actually, I stopped using “libtard” months ago, as the tard part actually gives them more credit than is due. I coined a new nickname for our “liberal notfriends. I refer to them now as “LIBTURDS” as most of them have shit for brains.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  100. While I fully understand the urge to use dysphemisms where liberals are concerned, actually using the dysphemisms brings us down to the liberals’ level, which means such actions should be discouraged.

    John Hitchcock (fb941d)

  101. #43 – I blame Hannity for a lot.

    — Do you blame him for your typ-lib inability to spell compound words?

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  102. #46 – since Obama currently has a 75% approval rating, doesn’t that make you and the bulk of the anti Obamite commenters at this wonderful site “Trolls”?

    — You might want to go back to the Wiki for a clarification on what an Internet troll is, Oiram. Especially since the above statement is a pretty clear example of trollish behavior.

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  103. #47 – rebuilding America, Heh?

    — He said “remaking America”, Drew.

    Question is, remaking it HOW? As a socialist state?

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  104. #48 – Instead of being the proxy for the [second] most vile administration in my lifetime
    — Wait a moment . . . the order of vileness now runs Carter, W. Bush, Nixon?

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  105. #51 – I happen to think that 75% of our nation is not living in a “fantasy world”
    — Ask them about that in about 100 days.

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  106. #72 – Could happen, especially if President Obama is successful and we deem you as insignificant.
    — Isn’t it a little too soon to make a call for the fairness doctrine (or some equally totalitarian move to rob some of our freedom) Oiram?

    Icy Texan (b7d162)

  107. I already deemed them as insignificant, Icy.

    JD (48009d)

  108. 100. While I fully understand the urge to use dysphemisms where liberals are concerned
    Actually, I am using a cacophemism. I am being deliberately offensive intentionally. After all, I am describing them exactly as they are, and if the truth hurts? So frackin’ what?

    For the last 8 years, they unfairly attacked, maligned, and denigrated President Bush. While I do not support a lot of what he did, i.e., No child left behind, alien amnesty, campaign finance reform, etc. et al. I criticized him on the positions, unlike the unhinged libturds that only called himm names such as mcchimpy, Bush-Hitler etc.

    They have set the standard and established the rules. Let the war begin, and I will now fight them with their own terms. After all, you cannot fight an assymetrical war by using conventional methods. If you do you will lose. They stooped to using guerilla tactics, and I am only returning the favor.

    peedoffamerican (d1c8cc)

  109. My father was a doctor and to the day he died he worried about pandemics. The Influenza Pandemic of 1919 killed more people than WWI at a time when the worlds population was much smaller and travel was less common. Now we have muslims who love death more than we love life (their words) and they are working on chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. In order to make this all relevant to you, I propose that the new plague be named after the American President who is in office when it is released all over the world. Maybe the total bummer of having 1 billion dead of the “Obama Plague” will make the leftists understand that their are evils out there far greater than their imagined enemy, George Bush.

    tyree (77f686)

  110. I certainly hope that you are not making fun of the mentally handicapped with this ‘libtard’ statement. I don’t think it is appropriate to poke fun at the guy just a few hours after he leaves office.

    Comment by Ed from PA

    Here is a nice example of why leftists do not make themselves welcome when they invade center right blog comments. We just had a series of posts complaining that conservatives are not sufficiently respectful of Obama. For example:

    you do come up with intelligent anti Obama points much of the time, but when you come up with crap like “King Obama” and “baracky” (not sure if I spelled it correctly) it only brings you down to the level of the “Trolls” you castigate here on a daily basis.

    Comment by Oiram

    So, you object to “King Obama” but are OK with the old canard about Bush, with two Ivy League degrees, being “retarded.” It is important to the left’s self image that members consider themselves smarter than conservatives. Some of us are interested in the contrast between this self-preening by lefties and the fact that they elected a man with no resume. He is still a mystery. We don’t know his Columbia grades or how he got into Harvard Law School. He was elected on the basis of feelings, not mature judgement based on his record. He has no record.

    Now, it is a free country and a democracy. He is president and maybe he will be OK. Still, a lot of us wonder where that 600 million came from and who backed him when he was coming up the ladder of Chicago politics. We know that Emil Jones created his Illinois Legislature record out of thin air. We know his US Senate record is essentially blank. All we know is that he seems to be pretty intelligent and he is ruled by personal ambition. That may be enough for him to avoid serious trouble. I hope so.

    The celebrations by leftists are understandable but the worries by us adults are also serious. He is finally at his goal. What happens next matters to all of us, not just to delirious fans of Sex and the City. When you make comments like those I listed, you show yourselves to be fools. Even Fox News was interviewing some illiterate rapper this morning on the inaugural parties. I guess we are in for four years of that but I don’t have to like it. I turned it off.

    Please try not to appear the fool.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  111. Waiting for Obama to enact his national security police all I can think is how screwed we all are. The terrorist groups are licking their chops & laughing at the naivety of the Obama administration and the rest of the leftist kool aid drinkers. The only question are how many Americans will die needlessly in the name of political correctness.

    Stan Switek (7cfd24)


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