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	<title>Comments on: Iseman Sues New York Times</title>
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		<title>By: Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer")</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You can say, correctly, that Hillary, Sarah Palin, and John McCain are public figures, and the NYT can say that they get some protection there&lt;/i&gt;

Even if Vicki Iseman were a public figure, the NYT could still be legally liable for libelous statements. Most celebrities allow factless statements to stand simply for publicity reasons; for instance, it is common for a male and female celebrity to appear in public together to generate press from the gossip rags and paparazzi, even though the &#039;relationship&#039; is arranged between the celebrities&#039; managers and agents solely for that purpose.  

Making up a an inappropriate complete fabrication that smears a celebrity subject will not protect the offender. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Burnett&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carol Burnett proved that almost 30 years ago:&lt;/A&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Burnett drew attention in 1981, when she sued the National Enquirer for libel after the tabloid newspaper described her alleged public drunkenness, purportedly with Henry Kissinger. Carol was particularly sensitive to the accusations because of her parents&#039; own alcoholism. The case was a landmark for libel cases involving celebrities, although the unprecedented $1.6 million verdict for Burnett was reduced to about $800,000 on appeal, and eventually settled out of court.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here is the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/communications/burnett.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Second Appellate Court judge&#039;s opinion,&lt;/A&gt; with the factual details of the story and how the Enquirer&#039;s Brian Walker published the libelious story despite having literally no verification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You can say, correctly, that Hillary, Sarah Palin, and John McCain are public figures, and the NYT can say that they get some protection there</i></p>
<p>Even if Vicki Iseman were a public figure, the NYT could still be legally liable for libelous statements. Most celebrities allow factless statements to stand simply for publicity reasons; for instance, it is common for a male and female celebrity to appear in public together to generate press from the gossip rags and paparazzi, even though the &#8216;relationship&#8217; is arranged between the celebrities&#8217; managers and agents solely for that purpose.  </p>
<p>Making up a an inappropriate complete fabrication that smears a celebrity subject will not protect the offender. <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Burnett" rel="nofollow">Carol Burnett proved that almost 30 years ago:</a><br />
<blockquote>Burnett drew attention in 1981, when she sued the National Enquirer for libel after the tabloid newspaper described her alleged public drunkenness, purportedly with Henry Kissinger. Carol was particularly sensitive to the accusations because of her parents&#8217; own alcoholism. The case was a landmark for libel cases involving celebrities, although the unprecedented $1.6 million verdict for Burnett was reduced to about $800,000 on appeal, and eventually settled out of court.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is the <a HREF="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/communications/burnett.html" rel="nofollow">Second Appellate Court judge&#8217;s opinion,</a> with the factual details of the story and how the Enquirer&#8217;s Brian Walker published the libelious story despite having literally no verification.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought you guys were against frivalous lawsuits and the lawyers that bring them? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Libel and slander aren&#039;t frivolous. &quot;They didn&#039;t tell me not to stick my hand in a disposal&quot; is frivolous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought you guys were against frivalous lawsuits and the lawyers that bring them? </p></blockquote>
<p>Libel and slander aren&#8217;t frivolous. &#8220;They didn&#8217;t tell me not to stick my hand in a disposal&#8221; is frivolous.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;ll pile on Oiram--but I&#039;d rather see Iseman pile on the New York Times bank account. 

Sloppy and scurrilous just won&#039;t do.  You can say, correctly, that Hillary, Sarah Palin, and John McCain are public figures, and the NYT can say that they get some protection there; but Vicky Iseman was most definitely a private figure, just trying to live her life.  She did not need this crapola from the NYT and the bastards should pay for it. In fact they should pay lots for it.  It&#039;s just too doggone bad that the Olberdouche didn&#039;t run a story about her being the &quot;worst person in the world&quot;--we could have had a twofer going in the lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ll pile on Oiram&#8211;but I&#8217;d rather see Iseman pile on the New York Times bank account. </p>
<p>Sloppy and scurrilous just won&#8217;t do.  You can say, correctly, that Hillary, Sarah Palin, and John McCain are public figures, and the NYT can say that they get some protection there; but Vicky Iseman was most definitely a private figure, just trying to live her life.  She did not need this crapola from the NYT and the bastards should pay for it. In fact they should pay lots for it.  It&#8217;s just too doggone bad that the Olberdouche didn&#8217;t run a story about her being the &#8220;worst person in the world&#8221;&#8211;we could have had a twofer going in the lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;See, this is why we think you’re stupid, Oiram…&lt;/i&gt;

Correction - we don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; it, we &lt;i&gt;know &lt;/i&gt;it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>See, this is why we think you’re stupid, Oiram…</i></p>
<p>Correction &#8211; we don&#8217;t <i>think</i> it, we <i>know </i>it.</p>
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		<title>By: Oiram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oiram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24 Thanks Evil, there&#039;s a compliment in there somewhere :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24 Thanks Evil, there&#8217;s a compliment in there somewhere <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but appropriate for New Years Eve:  

Inspector &quot;Javert&quot; Sullivan picks the first Hewitt Award winner:

The battle for the Hewitt Award in 2008 remains a tie with 29 percent each for Victoria Jackson for this and Kim Crawford for this. The first ever Hewitt Award is a great honor. It takes Hewittian levels of dishonesty, extremism, agitprop and bile to win it. But you can break the tie here. You have till midnight.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/still-deadlocke.html

Of course why not pick Sullivan for this &quot;award&quot; for his anti Palin Jihad and Trig Trutherism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but appropriate for New Years Eve:  </p>
<p>Inspector &#8220;Javert&#8221; Sullivan picks the first Hewitt Award winner:</p>
<p>The battle for the Hewitt Award in 2008 remains a tie with 29 percent each for Victoria Jackson for this and Kim Crawford for this. The first ever Hewitt Award is a great honor. It takes Hewittian levels of dishonesty, extremism, agitprop and bile to win it. But you can break the tie here. You have till midnight.</p>
<p><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/still-deadlocke.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/still-deadlocke.html</a></p>
<p>Of course why not pick Sullivan for this &#8220;award&#8221; for his anti Palin Jihad and Trig Trutherism?</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And all your other lines, Oiram, were idiotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And all your other lines, Oiram, were idiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Oiram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oiram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I think your a spinmeister Scott:

I said in my first line:

&lt;i&gt;Good for Iseman.&lt;/i&gt;

I meant that my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I think your a spinmeister Scott:</p>
<p>I said in my first line:</p>
<p><i>Good for Iseman.</i></p>
<p>I meant that my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the time to read the entire 44-page complaint filed with the court.  There is nothing frivolous or scurrilous in the complaint.  And to the one who suggested the only complaint was against the &quot;romantic&quot; accusations, the complaint attacked the &quot;romantic&quot; accusations as well as the &quot;inappropriate&quot; accusations.

For the record, this $27M lawsuit could finish with a number over $100M.  The $27M is only the compensatory aspect of the demand; the punitive aspect is left to the jury to decide and can tend toward three times the compensatory aspect.

And, yes, NYT and MSM need to take a big hit on this one--and many others--to get them to start trying to report honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the time to read the entire 44-page complaint filed with the court.  There is nothing frivolous or scurrilous in the complaint.  And to the one who suggested the only complaint was against the &#8220;romantic&#8221; accusations, the complaint attacked the &#8220;romantic&#8221; accusations as well as the &#8220;inappropriate&#8221; accusations.</p>
<p>For the record, this $27M lawsuit could finish with a number over $100M.  The $27M is only the compensatory aspect of the demand; the punitive aspect is left to the jury to decide and can tend toward three times the compensatory aspect.</p>
<p>And, yes, NYT and MSM need to take a big hit on this one&#8211;and many others&#8211;to get them to start trying to report honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, this is why we think you&#039;re stupid, Oiram...

We aren&#039;t talking about McCain losing, we&#039;re talking about someone who was slandered holding the paper accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, this is why we think you&#8217;re stupid, Oiram&#8230;</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t talking about McCain losing, we&#8217;re talking about someone who was slandered holding the paper accountable.</p>
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