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12/28/2008

Kwanzaa 2008

Filed under: Miscellaneous — DRJ @ 7:40 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

The 7 days of Kwanzaa began last Friday and end this Thursday, January 1. Americans are celebrating Kwanzaa with events like storytelling in Austin and Denver, a concert in New Orleans, African dancing and music in Seattle, and a range of activities in Detroit. For something slightly different, Miami’s Kwanzaa activities include a “Kwanzaa Prince and Princess Pageant followed by Ashella, an African version of Cinderella.”

This New York Times’ article has a round-up of Kwanzaa events in the New York City area and revisits a “spirited” debate from 5 years ago regarding the merits of Kwanzaa:

“Five years ago, in an Op-Ed piece in The New York Times titled “A Case of the Kwanzaa Blues,” the author and lawyer Debra J. Dickerson raised a stir by questioning the purpose of Kwanzaa.

“With all due respect to those who celebrate it, Kwanzaa feels like a cop-out,” she wrote. “Just as drugs are for those who can’t handle reality, isn’t Kwanzaa for those who can’t handle knowing that our ancestors fueled themselves with Western ideals, Christianity uppermost among them?”

Citing the Afrocentric intentions of Kwanzaa’s founder, the black-studies professor and political activist Maulana (Ron) Karenga, Ms. Dickerson asserted that “Kwanzaa feels as if it is more about thumbing black noses at white America than at embracing the lost cause of resuming our Africanness.”
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Ms. Dickerson’s essay prompted a spirited response. In a letter to The Times, Regina Austin retorted that there was “nothing anti-American about Kwanzaa” and added: “African-Americans, whether born here in America, in Africa or elsewhere, have the right to claim Africa as our ancestral home.”

We probably won’t settle that debate here so I’ll let this California Kwanzaa supporter have the last, somewhat confused, word:

“I’ve been celebrating Kwanzaa for many, many years,” said Ms. Bolden-Monifa, who lives in Oakland, Calif., and has written essays about the holiday. “It’s nice to have that connection. You acknowledge that you are an American of African descent, with some connection to the motherland, even if you don’t know where that is.

Her wife, Ruthie Bolden-Monifa, 47, is both African-American and Jewish. The couple, along with their daughter, Ashley, 7, and son Benjamin, 5, celebrate Hanukkah, Christmas and Kwanzaa.

“In many ways, we’re more into Hanukkah and Kwanzaa for the cultural richness than Christmas, which, despite its Christian roots, has become about getting presents,” Ms. Bolden-Monifa said.”

A final note: In writing this post, I couldn’t find as many 2008 Kwanzaa stories as I could for prior years or that I recall reading in the past. My admittedly subjective impression is that there may be fewer Kwanzaa celebrations and/or celebrants. If so, I wonder if it has anything to do with Barack Obama’s popularity among blacks and the fact he openly embraces Christianity.

— DRJ

78 Responses to “Kwanzaa 2008”

  1. Juneteenth is a more legitimate holiday than this made-up piece of crap.
    What a crock!

    Another Drew (wwbkaADitcy) (d8d174)

  2. Every bona-fide holiday is based on a theme — either
    * a biblical commandment (Rosh Hashanah, Sukkot)
    * a biblical event (Passover, Easter)
    * a national event (Independence Day, Mexico’s Cinco de Mayo)
    * honoring an individual (St Valentine’s Day, Martin Luther King Day)
    * a specific theme (Memorial Day, Labor Day)

    Can anyone state the historical basis or theme for Kwanzaa in two or three words? (I sure can’t.)

    aunursa (e9b1f7)

  3. A commenter at my blog says the principles of Kwanzaa will “help solve the California State budget crisis.”

    http://tinyurl.com/axpt3t

    Kevin Gregory (7e9933)

  4. Two, or three, Words….Ron Karenga, aka Ronald McKinley Everett.

    Another Drew (wwbkaADitcy) (d8d174)

  5. Rather than take the multiculturalist tactic of separating themselves from the West, blacks would get more pride and less maladaption if they took the culturist tactic of celebrating their connection with the West.

    Otherwise they have to falsify history and end up with an antagonistic relationship to their society. Multiculturalism is bad for all those involved. Culturism is good for all those involved.

    http://www.culturism.us

    Culturist John (bec568)

  6. No, Another Drew, this is really the best holiday ever, since it refuses to acknowledge anything holy. It is pseudo-holy only because it was created by a man that talked to his blanket like most of us talk to G_d.

    And in almost every country, USAF bases hold a celebration, mandated of course by the Joint Chiefs. Granted, they are very small. Israel has one and a rather large Juneteenth celebration, and usually European countries do, as well. The only celebration that I am aware of that takes place in Africa is at the W.E.B. Du Bois Center for Pan-African Culture in Ghana, yet another place that has a large Juneteenth thang.

    As far as the historical basis or THEME in three words or less, “Hate on Whitey.”

    ‘Nuff said?

    Two Dogs (b04b6c)

  7. We know the esteemed “holiday” was invented by a radical black FBI informant. Why couldn’t anyone invent any holiday they wish and have idiots accept it? Do blacks suffer from low self esteem? If it floats their boat to rely on this “holiday”, big whoop. I mean why can’t we be Americans first and foremost? Imagine a Miss White America beauty pageant? The national association for the advancement of caucasians?
    Yes, Amerikkka remains racist. How else to line the pockets of charatans like Sharpton and Jackson. Imagine Obama running for potus as a first term senator had he been a honky?
    Lots of bogus propaganda out there. One report was that 200 million black slaves drowned on way from Africa over the course of the slave years. Sure.
    Wonder what Smithee things of the grand holiday?

    aoibhneas (0c6cfc)

  8. Well, considering Ron’s hard-core Marxist beliefs,
    perhaps that should be changed to “Hate on Whitey, Comrade”.

    Another Drew (wwbkaADitcy) (d8d174)

  9. Roughly translated, Kwanzaa means; “Some chumps will believe anything.”

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  10. Someone who didn’t mind listening to Rev. Wright for 20 years and gave him tens of thousands of dollars is probably cool with the spirit of Kwanzaa, which is ultimately as much about mixing racialism and socalism as black liberation theology is.

    Karl (2491e1)

  11. For me, Kwanzaa is summed up by the classic poem written by Kathy Shaidle.

    ‘Twas the night before Kwanzaa
    And all through the ‘hood,
    Maulana Karenga was up to no good.

    He’d tortured a woman and spent time in jail.
    He needed a new scam that just wouldn’t fail.
    (”So what if I stuck some chick’s toe in a vice?
    Nobody said revolution was nice!”)

    The Sixties were over. Now what would he do?
    Why, he went back to school — so that’s “Dr.” to you!
    He once ordered shootouts at UCLA
    Now he teaches Black Studies just miles away.

    Then to top it all off, the good Doctor’s new plan
    Was to get rid of Christmas and piss off The Man.

    Karenga invented a fake holiday.
    He called the thing Kwanza. “Hey, what’s that you say?

    “You don’t get what’s ‘black’ about Maoist baloney?
    You say that my festival’s totally phony?

    “Who cares if corn isn’t an African crop?
    Who cares if our harvest’s a month or two off?
    Who cares if Swahili’s not our mother tongue?
    A lie for The Cause never hurt anyone!

    “Umoja! Ujima! Kujichagulia, too!
    Collectivist crap never sounded so cool!
    Those guilty white liberals — easy to fool.
    Your kids will now celebrate Kwanzaa in school!”

    And we heard him exclaim as he drove out of sight:
    “Happy Kwanzaa to all, except if you’re white!”

    ========
    hat tip: http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/
    linking to: Jeff Miller
    commenting at: http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/12/14/honoring-kwanzaa-creator-a-rapist-and-torturer/

    Adriane (497622)

  12. “Can anyone state the historical basis or theme for Kwanzaa in two or three words? (I sure can’t.)”

    that’s easy:

    ‘bullshit’

    redc1c4 (27fd3e)

  13. As a white male, Kwanzaa, and the term “African-American”, both seem to push the ideal of a separate black culture, the point of which is to simply be explicitly separate. I wouldn’t mind hearing an opposing point of view on it, but to me, embracing how you are different from others, rather than how you are alike, will never bring people together.

    The melting pot concept is fading fast, much to the harm of the country.

    P.S. I’ve always particularly been irritated by the term “African-American”. If someone was actually born there, I can live with it, but otherwise it’s stupid… sorry. If you go back far enough, all human beings are from Africa, so it’s redundant as well as pointless.

    Justin (ac5fc4)

  14. Karenga is an atheistic criminal. And exactly why should blacks have inferior holidays from everybody else?

    I suppose if you believe God only loves white people, then Kwaanza is the holiday for you.

    Fred (323c34)

  15. Meh, pretty soon they’ll be Kwanzaa lights and blow-up decorations etc. I’m afraid retailers will do anything to effect the lengthing of the consumerist frenzy called “The Holiday Season.”

    pitchforksntorches (4dd8c4)

  16. Anyone have the URL to Tony Snow’s analysis of Kwanzaa? It sums up what a piece of crap that has been foisted upon the Black community.

    PCD (7fe637)

  17. Do you mean this Tony Snow Article?

    kaf (305a38)

  18. My friends (who happen to be Black) just laugh at Kwaanza – they know foolishness when they see it, and they’re all die – hard Libs from way back. Perhaps that’s one reason why it’s slowly fading from view at this point in time.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  19. BTW, that doesn’t excuse my fellow Irish idiots when they get falling down drunk around here on St. Pat’s Day, or their ridiculous “old sod” sentiments when referring to Ireland. The vast majority not only have never visited, but they’re about the fourth generation removed, at the very least – talk about a load of Blarney.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  20. Kwanzaa is small potatoes compared to all the other brazen nonsense blacks have embraced in their desperate search for a seperate identity. At least, Kwanzaa only comes once a year.

    From the Nation of Islam to Gangsta Rap, break dancing, fluffy hairdos, outlandish clothing, goofy hand shakes, you name it, lots of blacks go for it, hook, line, and sinker. It’s too bad, really.

    Blacks have a unique place in the common culture and can rightfully claim to be as much a part of our heritage as other Americans, yet too often it’s the symbols of separatism which dominate perceptions. While separation may be politically expedient, it’s hardly the way toward unity and national progress.

    Ropelight (d40bc3)

  21. Festivus for the rest of us…………..

    Oiram (983921)

  22. Karenga is an atheistic criminal. And exactly why should blacks have inferior holidays from everybody else?

    Fred – Ar first I thought reading comprehension was your problem Fred, but I think you’ve hit at the heart of the matter.

    If blacks have a separate holiday, given its origins and fake traditions, why should it be inferior to holidays for everybody else?

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  23. 20-
    what do you call an Irish homosexual? Someone who prefers women to booze.
    I find Irish I know here despicable. They bitch about how USA sucks and Ireland is so superior and yet they come here for jobs and even go the US citizen route. I tell them if it is so sucky why not go back to Ireland? I’m sure Dublin is as bad as some areas in US as far as crime. And Irish adored Clinton as much as they hate the evil Bush.
    Read somewhere that the inventor of Kwanza’s group of mutants was encouraged in order to go against the Black Panthers, who in reality were far less evil than Kwanzaa dude’s bro’s.

    aoibhneas (0c6cfc)

  24. Every year I wade through this unadulterated bullshit bigotry. It’s rather astounding how impervious to truth is conventional wisdom.

    There isn’t much to say that I haven’t said before. But I’ll include the catalog and this poem to sober up my friends at P’s Ps.


    Twas the night before Kwanzaa and all through the Sphere
    All the wingnuts were praying it would disappear
    For their very own president said to the nation
    That he too respected this new celebration.

    Compassionate’s one thing but this went too far
    They thought to themselves while out scrounging for tar
    They loathed the idea of black african drumming
    Somehow they must try to stop Kwanzaa from coming

    So they dug up their references and scribbled up notes
    And tried to keep all of that bile in their throats
    But they couldn’t. It spilled out on all of their pages
    In their poison pen poems and raggedy rages

    On Mulshin, on Malkin, on Coulter on Shaidle
    On Barber, on Frontpage and on Redstate unbridled
    The vomitous spew flowed without restraint
    Telling all who would listen just what Kwanzaa ain’t

    Aint Christian, legitimate, reverent or true
    And you know that it surely ain’t red white and blue
    Just a sham holiday that some Negroes enjoy
    (Hey can we say Negroes? OK, just not ‘boy’)

    But their secret weapon was no watermelon
    But the hideous fact of Karenga, the felon.
    Karenga? Who’s that? Some would bother to ask
    Why the black racist commie who started this task

    They replied with abandon, back in 66
    This FBI stoolie, he tortured some chicks
    And shot up some Panthers, though that can’t be proven
    This is the moonbat who got Kwanzaa movin’

    The Nguzo Saba and all Kwanzaa people
    Were crammed in one grinchbag and hung from the steeple
    No patriot ever loved Kwanzaa they said
    And marched away confident Kwanzaa was dead

    The bloggers they blogged and the writers they wrote
    And so it just happened that some did take note
    That something was fishy in this Kwanzaa smear
    For there was one argument no one could hear

    It seemed that the haters in their rush to judge
    Indulged in an argument, well more like a fudge
    Of making Karenga the butt of all jokes
    While completely ignoring the millions of folks

    Who love Kwanzaa and celebrate year after year
    Without bile or hatred, racism or fear
    Who quietly with loved ones light candles at night
    Who pour the libation, who live clean and right.

    And like JFK who was labeled a papist,
    The wingnuts said Kwanzaans were just like a rapist
    The sins of Karenga they laid on masses
    And view them askance through their dung colored classes

    And these seven principles, where is the crime?
    Americans take pride in these things all the time.
    Kujichagulia might be hard to say
    But Self-Determination’s the American way

    It doesn’t much matter when bigotry’s spoken
    That some part of our plurality’s broken
    I wish I could say that these wingnuts were joking
    It’s just too unclear what it is they are smoking

    Some say wingnuts fear Christ is under attack
    Some say they fear anything that is black
    Some say they fear the same virtue they lack
    Some say that the wingnuts are strung out on crack

    No matter the angle no matter the reason
    It’s clear that these fears have all poisoned the season
    For just when we claim our good will towards men
    The haters start off with their rants once again

    And so desecrate what they claim to hold holy
    Perhaps when they see this more clearly then slowly
    The truth of their neighbors devotions will show
    Additional light added to Christmas’ glow

    And in that new light, new faith will arise
    Without conflict or malice, without compromise
    More true than the legend of Santa and elves.
    We’ll all love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

    Cobb (f05eec)

  25. 25 speaking of crazy black libtards, gotta love the picture of congresscritter cynthia mckinney over at LGF. Seems this patriot/lover of Hamas is going to make a run to break the blockade and assist the poor widdle Palis. Wonder who her fellow moonbats are? The lady should seek psychiatric help.

    As for Karenga, does ok as a university prof I guess. Should get along just great with scum like billy ayers.

    cobb- how about umgahwah, bang, bang, beep, beep, white blood, black power? We shall overcome? Guess you would greatly admire fellow traveler ex-grand kleagle bobby byrd too? Speaking troof to power? More like a blthering idgit regardless of your color.

    aoibhneas (0c6cfc)

  26. I’m going to be celebrating Hanukkah from now on. It’s a lot more fun. My neighbors invited me to my very first one and I had a very enjoyable evening tied to a tall German lady who helped me polish off several vodka martinis and a couple of bottles of wine. And I’m Jewish enough as a direct descendant of Adam and Eve.

    nk (2f022a)

  27. Hmmm, as bogus as Kwanzaa is and as commercialized as Christmas is, is how trivial a holiday that Hannukah is. In that it falls roughly at Christmas time, it was ginned up to compete with Christmas. And therein lies all that may be wrong with modern Judaism. Nah NK, don’t complicate your life with more self loathing liberals. Find a way to celebrate YOUR traditions in a manner you put stock in.

    pitchforksntorches (4dd8c4)

  28. Wow, we’ve got one hell of a racist orgy going on here…

    Sorry I intruded folks, get back to it.

    truthnjustice (c313be)

  29. Can anyone state the historical basis or theme for Kwanzaa in two or three words?

    “Take that, whitey.”

    Jim Treacher (592cb4)

  30. nk: Glad you enjoy Hanukkah, but Adam and Eve were not Jewish. There were no Jews until Abraham.

    Joshua (9ede0e)

  31. Kwanzaa is disappearing, except in the wistful prose of the patronizing white media.

    Black people are Americans! Who’d have thunk it?

    Patricia (89cb84)

  32. TMJ brings its sweetness and light to another thread with:

    “..Sorry I intruded folks,…”

    Um. I sort of doubt that, given the definition of the word “troll” and your own comment following, accusing a large number of people of racism because they don’t agree with you.

    But that is no surprise. Just keep it up with the insults. Sooner or later, you will cross the line, be ejected like your “friends” and have to come up with yet another ‘nym.

    Eric Blair (9294a8)

  33. No, actually in this case I am calling those who commented with such derision on a holiday they don’t seem to have the mental capacity to comprehend racists.

    Most of you have openly admitted that you have no idea what the holiday is about, which at the very least is a prejudice (commenting with such disparaging remarks about something you don’t have an inkling of knowledge about).

    From Merriam-Webster

    Prejudice

    1: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one’s rights ; especially : detriment to one’s legal rights or claims
    2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  34. Yawn. I guess the new semester starts soon. I see you bought one of your books already.

    You really are tiresome. Since most of the questions were rhetorical, and criticizing a racial grievance artist for creating a faith out of whole cloth is hardly…racist, your response is little more than your usual name calling.

    And I wouldn’t start down the “mental capacity” road. Insults didn’t work out so well for one of your “friends” recently.

    Eric Blair (9294a8)

  35. I was also waiting for your usual fulminating case of projectivitis. And indeed, when I read:

    “..2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics…”

    I noticed that many parts of that definition apply to….your own statements about people posting here.

    Eric Blair (9294a8)

  36. Imagine Obama running for potus as a first term senator had he been a honky?

    I certainly did not vote for Obama because he was black, and I would love to hear your reasoning for why 43% of the white vote went to Obama in this election. Did white people vote for him because he was black? This person’s whole submission was racist… and I would love to hear your reasoning why it is not, EB.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  37. EB. I think you’re too lost to even warrant a response. Get a clue, man.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  38. Oh, I can assure you that many of us here have a “clue” where you are concerned. You aren’t nearly as clever as you seem to believe you are. But that is fine.

    Again, why not move on—or contribute something positive?

    And to be sure, one person’s post can indeed be racist (and perhaps even sockpuppeted, a phenomenon with which I believe you have a nodding acquaintance).

    But you painted all the posters with that brush, while at the same time you quoted a definition of prejudice that stated “….an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics.

    Hilarious.

    Eric Blair (9294a8)

  39. I guess I don’t really find racism as hilarious as you do, EB.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  40. Oh, the “hilarious” part doesn’t refer to racism or racists. It must be difficult for you to type on two keyboards, though.

    Eric Blair (9294a8)

  41. It must be difficult for you to type on two keyboards, though.

    Huh? Hitting the peyote a little hard tonight?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  42. To quote some of your friends: I question the timing.

    I could be wrong, of course.

    But hey, the question is whether or not you are a real economy sized troll, or not. So here is a thought:

    Why not write to Patterico or DRJ with an idea of a post of your own, without snark or insult, to demonstrate your clear and well referenced thinking? They might go for it. They might not.

    But you could do more than play the chess club version of “Fight Club” here. Something positive.

    Unless doing…well…what you have been doing is the point.

    Eric Blair (9294a8)

  43. So you are okay with some of the choice quotes I pulled from the fantastic posters of this site, EB?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  44. So you are okay with some of the non-sourced choice quotes I pulled from the fantastic posters of this site, EB?

    Fixed that for you, Threadjacker.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  45. Hey, both TMJ and Real American are back at the same time.

    Who knew?

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  46. Really, folks. Check the time stamps.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  47. EB (aka dumbass). Check with DRJ. Ask her what ISPs we are using. I am not ‘real american’. I am not very familiar with the things he has said, but of the one or two things I have read, I have been quite appalled. So, if you were as well then I guess we have something in common.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  48. So you are okay with some of the non-sourced choice quotes I pulled from the fantastic posters of this site, EB?

    Fixed that for you, Threadjacker.

    Comment by Paul (creator of “Staunch Brayer”) — 12/30/2008 @ 7:24 pm

    Non-sourced? Read the f-ing post, lazy ass. There isn’t that much to read and if you’re d*cking around on here you obviously have no better use of your time.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  49. Have I called you names, TMJ?

    And I welcome you writing to Patterico or DRJ regarding your bona fides, as you have refused to do multiple times, even going so far as to state that you don’t “trust” Patterico. Remember?

    I am still pretty sure that you are very little of who you claim to be. But hey, I could be wrong.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  50. And your language is becoming increasingly familiar, if not mature.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  51. Most of you have openly admitted that you have no idea what the holiday is about, which at the very least is a prejudice (commenting with such disparaging remarks about something you don’t have an inkling of knowledge about).

    The seven principles of Kawanzaa: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani. Which just happen to be the same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army. In the SLA banner, each of the seven principles is represented by a snake head, as shown in this infamous Newsweek cover.

    Why do I point this out? Because Ron Karenga, who invewnted this “holiday in 1966,” also was one of the founders of United Slaves, a proto-fascist violent group that gunned down non-armed-revolution Black Panthers.

    In addition, the only difference between Kawanzaa’s underlying philosophy of Kawaida and classical Marxism, as explained by Karenga, is the hatred of whites by blacks. Indeed, Kawaida adherents believe “life conditions, life chances and self-understanding” are determined by race.

    And you call the commenters here prejudiced.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  52. Non-sourced? Read the f-ing post, lazy ass.

    Where did you pull this from, Threadjacker?

    Imagine Obama running for potus as a first term senator had he been a honky?

    There isn’t that much to read and if you’re d*cking around on here you obviously have no better use of your time.

    Funny how that quote is missing from the post. Did you make that up?

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  53. Have I called you names, TMJ?

    My name is not TMJ, so yes you have.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  54. Comment by liesntyranny — 12/30/2008 @ 7:58 pm

    For once I have to agree with a statement by this commenter.
    His name isn’t TMJ; it is….

    Levi!

    Another Drew (wwbkaADitcy) (fa7341)

  55. Ad, there isn’t enough cursing in Threeadjacker’s comments to be Mr. You Don’t Need to Read a Book to Know Its Contents.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  56. Wow, TMJ. That is an amazing level of sensitivity, given your history of posting habits and statements toward others. And your periodic “tough guy” poses.

    I may have indeed poked fun at your screen name, but since the entire reason you post here is to irritate people (instead of to engage in reasoned, polite debate), I thought the alteration in your name fit. Given the etiology of TMJ-related syndomes, I mean.

    As soon as you quit acting like a prat, people will treat you with more respect. But again, that isn’t why you post here, is it?

    AD, if not in fact, you are spiritually right!

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  57. Oh yuck…let’s fix that:

    AD, there isn’t enough cursing in Threadjacker’s comments to be Mr. You Don’t Need to Read a Book to Know Its Contents.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  58. Paul, no worries. It is working its way up to that standard. And I do find the posting patterns interesting. But I guess people “go out for a drink” from time to time.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  59. He is slowly descending into the madness that we came to know so painfully.
    It is either a degenerative condition caused by repeated trollery, or it is the slow unmasking of a carefully created alter ego that cannot restrain the evil that lurks behind its’ facade.

    Another Drew (wwbkaADitcy) (fa7341)

  60. I don’t find TMJ that funny, EB. I have had colleagues that have had the condition and it certainly was not funny to them. Care to explain why you chose to use this ailment as a source of humor?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  61. AD, pretty soon we will get that bizarre:

    “…Ha Ha Ha Ha…”

    Business from a while back. What was that one called?

    Oh yeah: “Horrible Leftist.” Inverted inspiration for….”Real American,” I’m guessing.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  62. It is working its way up to that standard.

    Eric, Levi’s caustic remarks and unabated cursing started nearly from the first comment.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  63. Ah, the typical troll strategy:


    A. someone mentions a medical condition
    B. the troll outragedly exclaims that it, or a dear friend, have that condition
    C. therefore, the person in step A is heartless.

    Please. We’ve all seen this one before. Who was that troll? The character who made jokes about Downs kids, and when called on it, tried to claim that it had a disabled child…

    Again TMJ, you only post here to irritate people. And you know what? Stop posting irritating things, and move on to real topics, and people will soon respect you.

    But you aren’t here to do any of that.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  64. True enough, Paul. I stand corrected.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  65. Whether I do or do not know anybody with TMJ (which I actually do), I still don’t think it is appropriate for you to make fun of it.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  66. Absolute Moral Authority. I get it.

    But you seem to have little trouble attacking people in all kinds of ways, yourself. That is different, of course.

    So why not, right now, swear off all of that, and start actually discussing real issues? No more calling people names. No more snark.

    Heck, I’ll even start calling you TNJ if you do. And my guess is that I won’t be the only one.

    Again, it all comes down to the real reasons you post here.

    After all, a real teacher like yourself could do that sort of thing.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  67. Ha. Well after you said no snark you posted that last line. Are you serious? I think that if you isolate one poster and get him/her to admit what he actually thinks then I think it is possible to have a real conversation/debate on here. But, unless there is someone from the opposite viewpoint keeping people in line (and this is not a problem with just conservatives or liberals) then the conversation can turn ugly. Upon my first visit to this site I wondered how on Earth people could actually believe some of the things they post.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  68. No, that wasn’t snark. If you are a teacher (and I doubt it), you would be mature enough to hold yourself in check. So if you are a teacher, no problem.

    Right? Either you are (in which case you were dealt no insult) or you aren’t.

    But notice that you post for the reasons I always suspected: you are trying to speak Truth to Power.

    Sigh.

    And I won’t debate the fact that there are Left of center posters here who aren’t pounded. That’s because they don’t act like jerks.

    But again, your reasons for posting are pretty obvious.

    Have a good evening.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  69. I think that if you isolate one poster and get him/her to admit what he actually thinks then I think it is possible to have a real conversation/debate on here.

    Many commenters here do write what they actually think, and debate the topic of the thread in good faith.

    Upon my first visit to this site I wondered how on Earth people could actually believe some of the things they post.

    Examples?

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  70. Why wouldn’t you think I am a teacher? Do you think I was an engineer? I don’t really think that either of these professions necessarily give me any more credibility in the world of politics, so why wouldn’t you believe this was my background? I didn’t have to give you this information, so if I were lying wouldn’t I have come up with a more impressive resume?

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  71. C’mon, Paul. It’s just a troll. When it said that it couldn’t trust Patterico (and thus prove that it really was the things it claimed), that said it all.

    It’s just here to argue.

    To speak Truth to Power.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  72. Alright. I was trying to be truthful with you but that last comment crossed the line. I am not an it. Dumbass.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  73. Alright. I was trying to be truthful with you but that last comment crossed the line. I am not an it. Dumbass.

    My, aren’t we thin-skinned.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (ed9791)

  74. Comment by Eric Blair — 12/30/2008 @ 8:19 pm
    Who was that troll? The character who made jokes about Downs kids

    Wasn’t that “jharp”?

    Another Drew (wwbkaADitcy) (fa7341)

  75. Indeed it was, and then we have this gem:

    I have had colleagues that have had the condition and it certainly was not funny

    Same exact terminology and behavior, with an additional dash of personal victimhood thrown in for good measure – we have a winnah. It is one and the same.

    Dmac (eb0dd0)

  76. Yeah, Dmac. Today’s posts by that troll regarding Patterico’s masterful and detailed analysis of the LA TIMES show how shallow and dishonest it is.

    Some teacher, engineer, SAT prep coach, bookstore owner.

    Just a sour and angry twenty-something that has never accomplished anything of consequence. It could write things like Patterico did, but that would take work (insert Maynard G. Krebs joke here). How much easier to write childish posts.

    You called it. And Happy New Year.

    Eric Blair (3e2520)

  77. “Media” includes former news and entertainment properties. We should also include the educational establishment, since they convey information and inculcate attitudes as well.

    Today, all of those are more accurately designated as “Fan magazines for liberal ideology”.

    Once known as reporters, media personalities or teachers, the term “promoter” or “publicist” is now appropriate.

    Collectively, they view conservatives – and conservative ideas – as threats, witness their treatment of Sarah Palin. They then assume their attack dog role to belittle and neutralize anything that challenges their view of government, morality and other values.

    “Fan magazines”; keep that term handy whenever you are exposed to the “Big Media”.

    Louis (33ff7d)


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