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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/24/obama-and-the-bush-doctrine/comment-page-4/#comment-439268</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Being Osama bin Laden’s friend is a lonely job in today’s world.&lt;/i&gt;

Like he had many friends hiding in caves in Tora Bora - where the U.S. should have finished him off.
&lt;i&gt;
Rumsfeld realized the paradigm of war has shifted to terrorism and attacks by enemies that we will have a hard time blaming on any one nation.&lt;/i&gt;

Huh? This was about overthrowing a regime in a country of 27 million. Re-read the sentence. 

Yes, the &quot;paradigm of war&quot; has shifted. That&#039;s precisely why the Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine of military strategy is not being refurbished. Nullifying terror cells and combating proliferation - excuse the hokum - Takes a World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Being Osama bin Laden’s friend is a lonely job in today’s world.</i></p>
<p>Like he had many friends hiding in caves in Tora Bora &#8211; where the U.S. should have finished him off.<br />
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Rumsfeld realized the paradigm of war has shifted to terrorism and attacks by enemies that we will have a hard time blaming on any one nation.</i></p>
<p>Huh? This was about overthrowing a regime in a country of 27 million. Re-read the sentence. </p>
<p>Yes, the &#8220;paradigm of war&#8221; has shifted. That&#8217;s precisely why the Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine of military strategy is not being refurbished. Nullifying terror cells and combating proliferation &#8211; excuse the hokum &#8211; Takes a World.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/24/obama-and-the-bush-doctrine/comment-page-4/#comment-439264</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You still haven’t answered any questions related to your expectations related to the Obama Administration’s policy on the use of American military force.&lt;/i&gt;

Then pose a hypothetical.

I doubt he&#039;ll use pre-emption the way Bush did, nor indulge notions of invincibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You still haven’t answered any questions related to your expectations related to the Obama Administration’s policy on the use of American military force.</i></p>
<p>Then pose a hypothetical.</p>
<p>I doubt he&#8217;ll use pre-emption the way Bush did, nor indulge notions of invincibility.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/24/obama-and-the-bush-doctrine/comment-page-4/#comment-439261</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve — 12/26/2008 @ 11:18 pm:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I used the Soviet Union because I was trying to compare American influence and standing during a time when there was another world superpower.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; And I replied it’s fundamentally incomparable; the United States could crush any foe, quickly and at little cost. &lt;/blockquote&gt; I disagree.  There was doubt in many quarters that the U.S. could crush any significant foe after Vietnam, and we rarely used military force to solve problems.  In any event, I thought the point of this discussion was to evaluate U.S. economic and aid-related influence, not its military influence. &lt;blockquote&gt;Unaccountably, we launched an invasion with barely a third of the force we had used during Desert Storm to push Iraq out of Kuwait.&lt;/blockquote&gt; We did that because Rumsfeld  realized the paradigm of war has shifted to terrorism and attacks by enemies that we will have a hard time blaming on any one nation.  He also realized it is unlikely the U.S. will ever have a draft again, which means the U.S. will fight every war with a relatively small volunteer military force.  

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars proved the U.S. military can win wars with small, fast responses from troops on hand, and that we don&#039;t have to mobilize 500K troops over a 12-month time period.  The surge proved we can win the peace, too.  If those two things hadn&#039;t occurred, instead of discussing the Bush Doctrine, we would be discussing why the U.S. military will never be used again except as a defensive force to protect the mainland. &lt;blockquote&gt;Once Saddam fell, Dick Cheney promised Tim Russert, “a good part of the world, especially our allies, will come around to our way of thinking.”

Did it?&lt;/blockquote&gt; Absolutely. Terrorists have far fewer friends in the capitals of the world than they had before 9/11.  Being Osama bin Laden&#039;s friend is a lonely job in today&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve — 12/26/2008 @ 11:18 pm:<br />
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<blockquote><i>I used the Soviet Union because I was trying to compare American influence and standing during a time when there was another world superpower.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> And I replied it’s fundamentally incomparable; the United States could crush any foe, quickly and at little cost. </p></blockquote>
<p> I disagree.  There was doubt in many quarters that the U.S. could crush any significant foe after Vietnam, and we rarely used military force to solve problems.  In any event, I thought the point of this discussion was to evaluate U.S. economic and aid-related influence, not its military influence.<br />
<blockquote>Unaccountably, we launched an invasion with barely a third of the force we had used during Desert Storm to push Iraq out of Kuwait.</p></blockquote>
<p> We did that because Rumsfeld  realized the paradigm of war has shifted to terrorism and attacks by enemies that we will have a hard time blaming on any one nation.  He also realized it is unlikely the U.S. will ever have a draft again, which means the U.S. will fight every war with a relatively small volunteer military force.  </p>
<p>The Iraq and Afghanistan wars proved the U.S. military can win wars with small, fast responses from troops on hand, and that we don&#8217;t have to mobilize 500K troops over a 12-month time period.  The surge proved we can win the peace, too.  If those two things hadn&#8217;t occurred, instead of discussing the Bush Doctrine, we would be discussing why the U.S. military will never be used again except as a defensive force to protect the mainland.<br />
<blockquote>Once Saddam fell, Dick Cheney promised Tim Russert, “a good part of the world, especially our allies, will come around to our way of thinking.”</p>
<p>Did it?</p></blockquote>
<p> Absolutely. Terrorists have far fewer friends in the capitals of the world than they had before 9/11.  Being Osama bin Laden&#8217;s friend is a lonely job in today&#8217;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There was there no NIE or any other sweeping strategic assessment on al-Qaeda between 1997 and 9/11.&quot;

steve - You still haven&#039;t answered any questions related to your expectations related to the Obama Administration&#039;s policy on the use of American military force.  Why are you dodging when you expect others to answer your questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was there no NIE or any other sweeping strategic assessment on al-Qaeda between 1997 and 9/11.&#8221;</p>
<p>steve &#8211; You still haven&#8217;t answered any questions related to your expectations related to the Obama Administration&#8217;s policy on the use of American military force.  Why are you dodging when you expect others to answer your questions?</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The initial burst of activity after 9/11, gallingly, was arranging exit flights for various Saudi royals.&quot;

Geez steve, I thought a bunch of people were planning an invasion of Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The initial burst of activity after 9/11, gallingly, was arranging exit flights for various Saudi royals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Geez steve, I thought a bunch of people were planning an invasion of Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A snatch and grab of Osama or othewr terrorist leaders might have been indicated which could have involved troops.&lt;/i&gt;

After the NIE warning he was &quot;intent on attacking&quot; America? Yeah, I&#039;d have to think so. There was there no NIE or any other sweeping strategic assessment on al-Qaeda between 1997 and 9/11. Bush should have sacked Tenet, not given him a medal.

The initial burst of activity after 9/11, gallingly, was arranging exit flights for various Saudi royals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A snatch and grab of Osama or othewr terrorist leaders might have been indicated which could have involved troops.</i></p>
<p>After the NIE warning he was &#8220;intent on attacking&#8221; America? Yeah, I&#8217;d have to think so. There was there no NIE or any other sweeping strategic assessment on al-Qaeda between 1997 and 9/11. Bush should have sacked Tenet, not given him a medal.</p>
<p>The initial burst of activity after 9/11, gallingly, was arranging exit flights for various Saudi royals.</p>
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		<title>By: Icy Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icy Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of my royalty payments will be filtered through my ex-wife&#039;s attorney&#039;s office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of my royalty payments will be filtered through my ex-wife&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s office.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew (who will be known as AD in the coming year)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew (who will be known as AD in the coming year)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>159 &amp; 160...
Well, nothing is written in stone,
including limericks (thank goodness).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>159 &amp; 160&#8230;<br />
Well, nothing is written in stone,<br />
including limericks (thank goodness).</p>
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		<title>By: The Haiku Avenger</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/24/obama-and-the-bush-doctrine/comment-page-4/#comment-439224</link>
		<dc:creator>The Haiku Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that AD
Should have stayed Another Drew
Too complicated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that AD<br />
Should have stayed Another Drew<br />
Too complicated</p>
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		<title>By: The Limerick Avenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Limerick Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew will be changing his name,
Things just won&#039;t be the same
Will the Truth that was Icy
Still be as feisty
Now that Texas is part of his name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew will be changing his name,<br />
Things just won&#8217;t be the same<br />
Will the Truth that was Icy<br />
Still be as feisty<br />
Now that Texas is part of his name?</p>
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