Patterico's Pontifications

Ok, that’s it. Someone go get the pitchforks, and I’ll bring the torches…

Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:13 am

Obama – person of the year — Who woulda thunk?!!

aunursa (1b5bad) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:24 am

They also had Hitler, Stalin and Khomenei as MotY at times.

But I’d be hard-pressed to find someone else who qualifies this year. Obama won, and in doing so inspired millions. I may not agree with said inspiration — especially when it is towards more state control of me — but I really cannot deny the man’s accomplishment. He is the obvious PotY.

I don’t understand the complaint.

Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:26 am

Don’t you just hate it? 🙂

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:27 am

If they can name me person of the year, it just proves the award is worthless.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:33 am

Hey, did I ever get taken off the moderation that I was put on for calling AP gay and suggesting that Patterico outed him?

Just wondering because this is a fun blog to read and comment on, and I disliked losing that ability.

Kevin (5ac156) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:33 am

From a poster at Hot Air. (Ed, loved you on Hugh’s show yesterday.)

They had to use an image that harkens (yes I said harkens) back to the Soviet-communist era? Why not just a photo of the guy?

And this quote, “he overcame lack of experience and a funny name”; so TIME™ is admitting Obarfy lacks experience and takes a shot at his name?

Vermont Neighbor (de46bd) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:17 am

love 08: What you see is the media honoring itself. Sort of like when Thuggy puts out a yard sign that says Office of the President- elect. Dig?

Vermont Neighbor (de46bd) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:25 am

I think I proposed this before, but we should make a deal with the mainstream media and Obama’s army of acolytes. We’ll agree to carve his image up in Mount Rushmore immediately. We’ll also agree to put his face on some of our currency (maybe a new dollar coin or something). We’ll also agree to allow all the liberal historians to immediately convene a new ranking of the Presidents in which Dear Leader can be ranked number one (or two, behind Lincoln, if they want to keep some modicum of modesty) and GW Bush will be ranked dead last. We’ll even throw in making his birthday a national holiday, as we discussed on this blog earlier.

In return, the left will quit lionizing him until he actually shows the ability to advance an agenda apart from the promotion of his own political prospects and shows that he is capable of getting meaningful legislation passed. They will also have to agree that from here on in Obama will be judged by his actual accomplishments, not by his charisma or his good intentions, or his unique background.

JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:26 am

Who else?

nk (bdc27b) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:39 am

Not really much of a surprise; the presidential winner alwys has a big shot at the award, and the media’s Obama sycophancy only adds to that.

At least he acomplished one other major thing: he slew the Hilldebeast! 🙂

The realistic Dana (3e4784) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:41 am

What do you have against rags? Comparing them to Time!

Raul Alessandri (4d0e59) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:42 am

Don’t you just hate it?

Not particularly. It just shows that they can’t help themselves even as they’re laying people off left and right. Let the self-destructive spiral continue. 🙂

Jim Treacher (671d28) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:00 am

True, Raul, rags are absorbent, there’s no assurance those pages are good for anything, They put Sarah in as third runner up even though the web poll still had her at No.2. Which only seems fair, since she might as well have been the other presidential candidate, McCain serving as stuffed mannikin. They repeated the same lies about her, including their inability to dismiss the Trig trutherism, even when the facts were made available. They forwarded the lies,omissions,
and deceptions as their own; now according to Mr. Shapiro, even he can’t tell the difference.

Paulsen, probably deserves No. 3, since his failures are much more manifest, yet they still haven’t fire him yet. And yet they cheered when they put his factotum; Geithner, as his replacement. Sarkosy is number #4, seeing as his Georgia truce fell apart, and he turned out to be the traditional French politician, when the bailout hit.

narciso (dda662) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:01 am

Ah yes, Time. Several weeks ago they compared the U.S. economy to that of the Great Depression…even going so far as to show a soup line on the cover. Horrible indeed.

The back cover was a glossy ad for a $10,000+ Tag Heuer watch. Or was it a Louis Vuitton bag? Can’t remember which.

I know, I know. There’s no real connection. Other than irony.

Kurt (5a6552) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:18 am

Need I remind you folks that it is racist to note his lack of experience, and that he has a funny sounding name, and that he is skinny, and a dirty little wanna-be socialist?

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:19 am

A subsidiary of the Democratic Party honors Obama. What a shock. Time was once a news magazine, but I was once a youngster. The propaganda continues. Yawn.

Ken Hahn (bfe6c2) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:21 am

“…and a dirty little wanna-be socialist?”
Comment by JD — 12/17/2008 @ 10:19 am

But! But!
Joe said he was “…clean and articulate…”!

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:36 am

Remember when TV Guide would sell different covers? Like Grissom or Horatio or the chick. You could buy a series of faces. What if TIME did a 4-pack. Like George Soros, Obama, Bill Ayers and Emil Jones. All PotY. Of course, who could leave out Oprah. Or Tony Rezko. Or any of the little people who helped make the Obama™ fantasy possible.

Vermont Neighbor (de46bd) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:46 am

We all hope he lives up to that acolade right?

Right?

Hello? Is this thing on?

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:57 am

You see, this is where Mario gets everything ass backwards. You get awards for things that you have actually done, not things you might theoretically do at some ill-defined point in the distant future.

But, Mario thinks that Rush is part of the MSM, so being ass backwards and dead wrong is pretty much par for the course.

Now, why don’t you get back to helping your Dems sell a couple Senate seats.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:03 am

That’s funny DJ (helping you read with your dyslexia problem).

How’s your deffinition of income going? Do you still believe a $250,000 income means gross profit? Sorry about that, must make that hard for you in discussions with friends at parties.

Obama is the first black man to become president.
That’s an accomplishment in of itself JD.

Whether he lives up to it remains to be seen. We all hope he does right?

You crack me up, our vice president was on Rush this week.

Also Rush makes more money than most basketball players due to the free market, last time I checked. Sounds Main Stream to me.

Continue Defining MSM at your convenience JD, it helps everyone’s cause here.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:17 am

Obama is also the first half-white man to become President, and I do not see him winning any awards for that. Winning a popularity contest hardly ranks as an accomplishment, Oiram, except to Obama. Winning elections is the only freakin’ thing on his resume.

Voter : Why should I vote for you, Baracky?
Baracky : Because I won the last election and I am half black.

So now MSM is defined by who Dick Cheney gives interviews to? Or by income? Do Leftist dictionaries come with all of the definitions left blank, and they get to just make shit up as they go along?

You really are retarded.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:23 am

JD, what does Main Stream mean to you?

To me it means a lot of people are tunning in.

Are a lot of people tunning into Rush?

Checked out his salary lately? I don’t think that’s Republican donations do you?

Chenney is basically a Fox network guy right? That and apparently Rush is where he chooses to stream to the masses.

It’s all media right?

If you don’t think being half white and becoming president of the United States is an accomplishment………..

Sounds like I’m not the only retarded one.

Speaking of retarded, I noticed you were carefull to side step the issue of what you think $250,000 income really means.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:35 am

We all hope he lives up to that acolade right?

If he actually deserved it, we wouldn’t have to hope.

Jim Treacher (671d28) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:35 am

I think the award is appropriate. Notice it doesn’t specify any accomplishment. The worst Time cover of the past few years is discussed here. The height of arrogance. Combined with lack of substance, it can be fatal.

Mike K (f89cb3) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:36 am

mariO…Go back to sleep. We dispensed with this fantasy of yours before the election.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:41 am

Sounds like I’m not the only retarded one.

Comment by Oiram — 12/17/2008 @ 11:35 am

Finally, mariO got something right.

PCD (7fe637) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:43 am

Time – DEAD! Newsweek – DEAD! ….. “doesn’t specify any accomplishment.” He has none, well, only one now, he did after-all get more votes than McCain. Note I didn’t say win: the big winners were the mainstream Dinosaur Media, but they are all dying anyway, good riddance!

J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:45 am

Jim, in the political climate we live in……. we have to have hope for every politician who comes down the pike.

When it looked like Palin had a shot at being VP, I was hoping she would do a good job, even though I disagreed with her and didn’t think she was right for the job.

By the way, if McCain had won…….. I would of been fine with her being person of the year.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:46 am

Another Drew, I fianlly agree with you on two of three points anyways.

mariO…Go back to sleep. We dispensed with this fantasy of yours before the election.

Although I dissagree with the name you and others are giving me (I’ve been called worse, so I guess I shouldn’t complain).

I do agree with you on the “We dispensed” part. That is after all my point Another, “We” (conservatives that is).

What was the third?

Oh yeah it is time to go to sleep. Your ridiculous views make me tired 🙁

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:56 am

JD, what does Main Stream mean to you?

You didn’t ask me, but it is a worthwhile question so I will submit an answer.

“Mainstream” media to me doesn’t have anything to do with how you broadcast your content or how much revenue you take in or whether you have access to various players. It instead denotes a class of media who all come from Ivy League (and Ivy League wannabe) journalism schools, frequent the same Washington and New York cocktail party circuit, appear in each others’ work (“Tonight! On Hardball! Chris Matthews talks with Tom Friedman!”), and generally hold the same predictable center-left-to-solid-left political leanings. Not all of this has to be true in order from someone to be part of the MSM — Dan Rather did not attend a top-tier journalism school, and William Safire has center-right views — but by and large this is how I would define the MSM.

JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:00 pm

I would suggest that we all have different deffinitions of the Main Stream Media.

And not one them is correct or incorrect for that matter. Especially when people conveniently omit Radio from the equasion.

I can’t tell you how many Democrats think the opposite of people here……… Especially in the 90’s when Clinton was crucified on a daly basis by the Media.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:11 pm

Would you just STFU about this.
The MSM is self-identified by the MSM, and you don’t get to change that identity.
You are a F…… Maroon, and are not even worth the POS I scrape off of the soul of my shoe.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:16 pm

If they can name me person of the year, it just proves the award is worthless.

Comment by daleyrocks — 12/17/2008 @ 8:33 am

But, they didn’t.

truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:19 pm

I would suggest that we all have different deffinitions of the Main Stream Media.

To a point. But I am willing to bet that a number of commenters here are in pretty close proximity to mine. I would further guess that a fair number of conservatives in general would agree, and that is why we use the MSM designation so freely, especially among ourselves. Maybe sort of the way you lefties use terms like “social justice.” It’s a buzzword that most of you generally recognize and understand.

JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:20 pm

Speaking of retarded, I noticed you were carefull to side step the issue of what you think $250,000 income really means.

I “side stepped” it because it was disingenuous bullshit. Baracky could have easily clarified what he meant, and he and his vaunted website that holds all the answers chose not to. If you have an issue with it, take it up with Baracky. DRJ repeatedly pointed out to you the various ways that it could be calculated. That you chose to feign a lack of ability to understand, or demonstrated a lack of ability to understand is all on you. But, enough with the threadjacking, which is all you trolls really do.

I would suggest that we all have different deffinitions of the Main Stream Media.

You can suggest that the moon is made of cheese and that will not make it so. Just because you choose to ignore, or are just truly ignorant, the actual meaning of that phrase, and its origin, does not mean that you get to redefine it in any manner in which you see fit.

And not one them is correct or incorrect for that matter.

Chicago Public School system education on display right there.

TMJ brings its usual inanity.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:27 pm

JVW was pretty much spot on. Mario, not so much.

Especially when people conveniently omit Radio from the equasion.

Equation. s and t are not that close together, so typo is really out of the question on that one. Regardless, people are “tunning” into talk radio as a result of the MSM and their bias, not because it is part of the MSM. Cause and effect are incredibly difficult for you, no?

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:30 pm

It’s a legit call, I guess, but it does force me to ask: what has Obama actually accomplished?

He’s never accomplished anything aside from winning elections. He hasn’t even convinced his many fans to do anything good. The comunities he organized crumbled into dust and he never passed any legislation in congress and he hasn’t even had a coherent policy point of view. He’s giving cabinet seats to the powerful and connected.

He’s really got to accomplish something because he is a legitimately great person. But he is notorious and is the biggest name of the year anyway. It’s kind of an indictment on our media (who is againt lionizing him) and our people (who are only slowly realizing their media needs to be replaced).

Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:32 pm

I was wrong. I said Baracky had never accomplished anything other than winning elections. He did stop the oceans from rising.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:34 pm

JD (#39) — look at the other positive accomplishments. Dear Leader helped expose Jeremiah Wright as a loudmouthed nutbag, Bill Ayres and his insane wife as the terrorist lunatics that they truly are, Rod Blagovich as hopelessly corrupt, and with luck he wrecked the future aspirations of Jesse Jackson Jr. and who knows how many more Illinois Democrats.

That all of this was inadvertent by no means diminishes the accomplishment.

JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:44 pm

#36 JD, I do have issues with the way you conveninetly interpret what Obama is saying. It tells me a lot.

Admit it, you only need Obama to define what income means to him because it futhers your agenda.

It’s political I understand it. Both sides do it and I’m tired of it.

But be consistent please JD, DJ, Retard (Whatever addresses you). If you need Obama to clarify what income means, then do the same when everyone talks about their income.
Seriously, if a friend tells you he makes 50,000 per year, do you really need to ask them if that’s gross profit?

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:46 pm

#33 Another, No sorry, not going to shut the F about it. Especially when JD hijacks the thread with our past dissagreements (MSM of course) in his comment number 20 and then calls me a retard to boot.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:49 pm

Jim, in the political climate we live in……. we have to have hope for every politician who comes down the pike.

I’m not sure how they’d all fit on the cover of Time.

Jim Treacher (671d28) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:51 pm

But, they didn’t.

Actually, they did. Look up Time’s 2006 Person of the Year.

Steverino (69d941) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:53 pm

It is not “convenient interpretation”. It was Baracky’s own fuckin’ words. I thought that he was the visionary brilliant thinker that can so eloquently read a teleprompter, and we should actually pay attention to what he actually says. Apparently, not.

I only want him to define it so we all agree on exactly what he is talking about. That he doesn’t appears to me to be quite telling.

Seriously, if a friend tells you he makes 50,000 per year, do you really need to ask them if that’s gross profit?

I do not think your analogy helps your argument.

No sorry, not going to shut the F about it

It will march on with its ignorance, undeterred.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:56 pm

#37, I’m glad your pointing out my typ o’s (means I’m getting thruogh to your dumn A.)

Thanks it is equation.

Just out of curriosity JD, if people are tuning into talk radio as a result of “MSM” biases, at what point does Radio become “MSM”?

I mean you have to consider Rush’s salary, it is after all a reflection of the Radio market.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:57 pm

Kevin Murphy,

It’s not a complaint so much as an eye-roll at the inevitable. They even use that ridiculous “DearLeader” image of him that you can’t seem to escape.

I’m just profoundly unimpressed with the guy, and all the adulation annoys me.

Of course, I felt somewhat similarly about Bush in 2000. The difference being that he was *my* unimpressive guy.

Patterico (396212) — 12/17/2008 @ 12:58 pm

equasion is not a typo. Nice try.

Assuming for arguement sake that a reaction to the MSM could ever become the MSM, I would say that when talk radio gets as much dead tree ink in newspapers and magazines, and carries its messages on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, NPR, etc … then it would become part of the mainstream media. Until then, you continue to be dishonest.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:00 pm

“Actually, they did. Look up Times 2006 Person of the Year.”

That wasn’t daleyrocks. That was me!

Call it a lame joke if you like . . . but answer me these questions one: were YOU the Man of the Year for 2006?

Ah. Well, carry on, then.

Patterico (396212) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:01 pm

JD…The threadjacking is almost as depressing as the second day of major rain this week that keeps me indoors today.
Yeh, Winter in SoCal is sooooo baaaaad!
Rain!
Eat your hearts out, suckers.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:01 pm

I’m just profoundly unimpressed with the guy,

Well said, boss.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:03 pm

. . . but answer me these questions one: were YOU the Man of the Year for 2006?

If you never looked into their cover mirror then technically the answer is “no,” right? I am proud to say that I was not their Man, er, Person of the Year in 2006.

JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:05 pm

AD – For Allah’s sake, do not dare try to drive in the rain in SoCal. My mother swears that there is nothing more dangerous than being on the highway in LA while it is raining.

We got rain, in the form of ice, last night. Inches of it.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:05 pm

Oiram, you don’t think Obama has a peculiar tendency to be unspecific?

And in the current economic crisis, you don’t think it’s critical that we know what the hell he’s talking about?

There is legitimate room for interpretation of most of what Obama says… because Obama is a very inarticulate person and the media doesn’t call him on it.

I guess anyone who points this out deserves to be called a retard. I’m certainly slow when it comes to understanding what Obama means about anything. Face it: when it comes down to it, you have NO IDEA what Obama will do on any issue. He is completely wishy washy 100% of the time. He could just be waiting for polls to come out and lead that way, or he could have some devious plan (pretty unlikely). But for people to note that we have no idea about anything this guy means is legit.

Anyway, it all goes back to the overall lov of Obama ‘A Great Man’. How can you like himn if you don’t know anything about him? It’s going to be very interesting seeing if he does great things (And believe me, I want him to be successful). He has a dem congress and no excuses… but we all know that if you’re even still posting to this site in a couple of years, that you have a good chance of repeating whtaever excuses Obama offers for why he’s not accomplished anything.

Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:08 pm

Comment by JD — 12/17/2008 @ 1:05 pm

After living here for 3-score and seven, I do know enough not to venture out in the rain unless absolutely mandatory, especially with our current crop of drivers who are not that far removed from bullock-carts in their skill levels.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:09 pm

AD, Don’t remind me how warm you have it when I’m freezing my tucas off here in Iowa.

JD, I used to drive the 5, 405, and the 22 in the rain. Only 22 would faze me.

PCD (7fe637) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:12 pm

JD, I used to drive the 5, 405, and the 22 in the rain. Only 22 would faze me.

It’s a whole other ballgame once you cross into Orange County.

JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:17 pm

Comment by PCD — 12/17/2008 @ 1:12 pm

Well, warmth is a relative term to those who have studied meteorology.
Seriously though, if it gets into the 50’s today, it will be a warm day; plus, they’re predicting a 2K-ft snow level in the mountains.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:18 pm

Only “Person of the Year?”
Was “Person of the Century” already taken?

Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:30 pm

were YOU the Man of the Year for 2006?

Now, Pat, Time said I was…at least my copy said I was 🙂

I’m inferring daleyrocks’s point to be that when Time made such a stupid POTY pick in 2006, it pretty much removed any remaining meaning from the award. I’d agree with that assessment.

As for this year’s pick…well, he is pretty unimpressive. But he’s been just about all anyone talks about these days. By Time’s standard of being the person who had the greatest effect on the news, it’s a fair choice.

So we have a meaningless designation given to a man with little accomplishment. A match made in heaven.

Steverino (69d941) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:32 pm

Its presently snowing in Las Vegas, which is uncommon.

Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:34 pm

#45 Seriously, if a friend tells you he makes 50,000 per year, do you really need to ask them if that’s gross profit?

I do not think your analogy helps your argument.

Well JD, what the hell am I supposed to think?

Obama tells you income and you need a clarification, a friend tells you income and you don’t?

“Racist!” indeed.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:41 pm

Oiram, when my wife told me the amount her job offer proposed yesterday, I did ask her if it was net or gross.

Though usually folks mean before taxes and I would normally not ask.

Obama is not your buddy. He is a politician who will give you as little information as possible. So you HAVE TO ask for clarification. There is no reason to assume he means it the way your friend does..

Surely you understand what I mean.

Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:45 pm

That’s the good news? Well here’s the BAD news!

David Ehrenstein (a668dc) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:55 pm

#54 “Oiram, you don’t think Obama has a peculiar tendency to be unspecific?”

Do I think that? No Juan I don’t.

I guess you and JD need him to be specific though.

Fine call Obama wishy washy about what he says he is going to do, I don’t care. I had similar thoughts that I’m sure were biased about McCain.

But make no mistake about it, when Obama tells you how much income should be taxed, even if your not sure what that amount is (arguments I’ll accept), he means income after taxes.

HE MEANS INCOME AFTER TAXES (That apparently needs to be repeated here)

No need for specifics on that one, unless your looking for political wishy washiness or are an idiot.

This is what JD, and others do not understand or rather pretend not to understand. (believe it or not, I still think your smarter than this JD, even though I sometimes parrot your “Retard” name calling of me).

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:55 pm

#63 Thanks Juan

Though usually folks mean before taxes and I would normally not ask.

Relay this info to JD.

If you need Obama to clarify things as mundane as this, his failure will be inevitable…… in your eyes anyways.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:57 pm

“In the Kingdom of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King!”….that man is not mariO.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 1:59 pm

The crowd is hushed, as Moiron steps up to the keyboard, and begins to type furiously – will he break the record for most moronic typos and grammatical errors in one thread? The sense of excitement is building, the atmosphere tense…

“To me it means a lot of people are tunning in.”

“Are a lot of people tunning into Rush?”

He’s off to a good start, but can he keep it up?

“…because it futhers your agenda.”

“It’s political I understand it.”

“…have different deffinitions of the Main Stream Media.

“I fianlly agree with you on two of three points anyways.”

This could be for the record, ladies and gentlemen…

“Although I dissagree with the name you and others are giving me…”

“How’s your deffinition of income going?”

“…he lives up to that acolade right?”

Aaaaaand that’s it! He’s done it! Congratulations to Moiron and his amazing record – breaking performance! Truly, he belongs to the legends now, along with Harptard, Levi and so many others. Take a bow, Moiron!

Truly hilarious.

Dmac (e30284) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:05 pm

#66 Hah Hah Hah, I love it! I know I’m making headway when inteligence such as Another Drew reverts to school yard ignorance.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:11 pm

Getting through to Dmac too…….. “Moiron” is it?

Love it.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:13 pm

“when inteligence [sic] such as Another Drew reverts…”
Don’t you think you’re just giving your nemeses more ammo when you type phrases like this?

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:19 pm

FYI, I know I spell like a moron. For some reason spell check was not working on my browser today. It’s working now.

Having said that……..

Grammatical errors will still fly from me for your fodder.

Your Welcome 🙂

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:23 pm

HE MEANS INCOME AFTER TAXES

Which is the exact opposite of the silly little analogy you tried to use earlier.

I guess you and JD need him to be specific though

My guess is that the group of people that would like him to be more specific about his ideas is far greater than Juan and I. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000,0000, at least.

when Obama tells you how much income should be taxed … he means income after taxes.

HE MEANS INCOME AFTER TAXES

How many times do you plan on taxing that income?

Dmac wins Comment of the Day. No contest. #67 is sheer brilliance.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:24 pm

#70 “nemeses”? O.k….. very comical.

Lex Luther is an intelligent man Jack. Doesn’t mean he always did the right thing.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:30 pm

…you don’t think Obama has a peculiar tendency to be unspecific?

Would that such a tendency could be considered “peculiar”…

PCachu (e072b7) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:35 pm

Well given how people pile-on against you it does seem almost comic book level.
But then you fully admit that you lack skills with which your average junior high school student should be reasonably competent. It does contribute to the dismissive attitude people have toward your opinions.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:36 pm

Sorry JD. What I meant was:

When Obama tells you how much income should be taxed.. he means before taxes, and I might add before expenses and overhead etc.

(I’ve had to explain it to you so many times that redundancy is affecting my thoughts)

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:37 pm

“But, they didn’t.

Comment by truthnjustice — 12/17/2008 @ 12:19 pm”

tnj – You should know better by now. Look at Steverino #44.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:40 pm

Mario – The problem is that is your interpretation of what Baracky said. You are attributing positions to him that he has not held, and in the best case scenario, positions that he has not expressed himself.

So you are going to tell us that “income” for a small business should be defined as gross receipts, prior to taxes, expenses, overhead, etc … ? I want to be very clear with you, since Baracky is intentionall not at all clear.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:42 pm

#75 And yet they (you) read me. Imagine that.

What’s funny is I notice that when I’m wrong about something, I don’t get ridiculed as much.

I can’t help but think that when I’m right, the dismissive attitude people have towards me increase 🙂

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:43 pm

“he means before taxes, and I might add before expenses and overhead etc.”

Oiram – Why would you subtract those other items? Why can’t you just admit the fact that you don’t know shit about taxes and leave them alone. When you try to talk about them you completely fuck up the discussion every time. Seriously.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:44 pm

redundancy is affecting my thoughts)

What is that old saying? Do not attribute to redundancy that which is more easily attributed to stupidity?

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:45 pm

I read you because your juvenile errors and turns of phrase are somewhat amusing at times. I really could care less about your opinions on political issues. I just enjoy watching you get pwned on a regular basis and then try to wriggle out of it by digging further, bad grammar and spelling all the way down the hole.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:47 pm

How could you measure that, Oiram, when the number of times you have been right is a null set?

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:48 pm

Hey JD sorry I missed you when you were in town.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:48 pm

Comment by Steverino — 12/17/2008 @ 12:53 pm

Actually, they named everyone except Junior Detective.

truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:48 pm

Fantastic.

You guys can crow until the sun don’t shine.

Obama, is going to be one of the best presidents this nations ever had, and just in time too. Lot of stinking load of crap BushCo. and the Republicans in COngress left behind.

We are truly blessed.

Peter (e70d1c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:49 pm

Wow a back to back double shot of douche.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:50 pm

Peter, that’s amazingly vapid. There is literally nothing to base your claim upon since he’s singularly unaccomplished to date. But then, so much of Obama worship is based on nothing but sunny rainbows emanating from your alimentary canal.

SPQR (72771e) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:52 pm

Notice how all of the Obamatrons always have to speak in the future tense about all of the great things that Teh One will do someday?

TMJ – At least bring your “C” game if you are going to go at me. That weak stuff is sad, kind of pathetic even.

Jack – Yeah, me too. I was crazy busy almost the whole time I was down there. Apparently, when you are away from home, the boss thinks that all of your time is their time.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:53 pm

“Obama, is going to be one of the best presidents this nations ever had…”
Yep. Not one day in office and Nostradumbass already knows what the history books are going to say about the man’s Presidency. Can we the World Series outcomes for the next twenty seasons while you’re sitting at your Magic 8 Ball?

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:53 pm

“Obama, is going to be one of the best presidents this nations ever had…”
Yep. Not one day in office and Nostradumbass already knows what the history books are going to say about the man’s Presidency. Can we get the World Series outcomes for the next twenty seasons while you’re sitting at your Magic 8 Ball?

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:54 pm

Double post apologies.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:54 pm

Republicans in COngress left behind

How many years until SanFranNan is actually responsible for what she, and her party, do? Ditto Sen. Reid.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:55 pm

#78 Mario – The problem is that is your interpretation of what Baracky said. You are attributing positions to him that he has not held, and in the best case scenario, positions that he has not expressed himself.

First of all, that’s President Elect Baracky to you DJ.

You JD are the one attributing positions to him he has not held. He’s expressed himself on what he means by “income” perfectly in our world anyways.

So you are going to tell us that “income” for a small business should be defined as gross receipts, prior to taxes, expenses, overhead, etc … ? I want to be very clear with you, since Baracky is intentionall not at all clear.

Comment by JD — 12/17/2008 @ 2:42 pm

JD, come on, quit clouding the issues again.

Income for a small business is what they take home prior to taxes. Does any business get taxed on overhead, payroll etc? You declare all of that. Do I really need to explain this to you again? You really are as dense as I am grammatically inept.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:56 pm

Apology accepted.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 2:56 pm

#86 Obama, is going to be one of the best presidents this nations ever had, and just in time too. Lot of stinking load of crap BushCo. and the Republicans in COngress left behind.

Please disagree with Peter all you want on the latter Bush parts of his statement (that’s politics).

But do you really hope Obama is not one of the greatest presidents this nation has ever had????

With the mess we’re in???

I can’t speak for Peter, but if you had asked me 8 years ago if I hoped G.W. was going to be a great president, I would of said yes as loud as humanly possible.

Lest you forget…… we’re in this together people.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:04 pm

You are proving our concerns about Baracky to be quite well founded, Oiram.

Office of the President Elect, my ass, Oiram. I will call him President Baracky when he takes office, which will be a level of respect never afforded President Bush by you and your ilk.

He’s expressed himself on what he means by “income” perfectly in our world anyways.

I guess there was some dog-whistle to the folks that like higher taxes in his definition of income.

Note, I was asking for your definition of income, for the purposes of this discussion, as Baracky never got around to defining that. So far, you continue to prove our concerns about the fluid definition of that term to be full of merit.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:07 pm

Oiram, that’s pathetic. You take disagreement with Peter’s categorical prediction and misrepresent it ( intentionally since you’ve stated how much brighter you are than others here ) to a hope that Obama will be a bad president.

Typical.

SPQR (72771e) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:07 pm

No, I do not wish that, Mario. Here is why. Because in order for people like you to declare him the greatest President ever, he will have to nationalize our healthcare system, micromanage the Big 3 and cater to the UAW, he will have to raise taxes, push for some kind of Kyoto agreement for a made up nonexistant problem, he will have to make some sort of gesture to the anti-war folks, etc … He really does not need to do much for the abortion folks, as he is already waaaaay out on the Left on that issue.

On the other hand, if your standards for the greatest President ever are as lax as they are for experience to be President, then he will become the greatest President EVAH simply by showing up to work every now and then.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:12 pm

SPQR, can’t you at least have some hope?

Lack of hope for this country is pathetic.

Read what Peter said in #86 and then re-read what you wrote in #87 – #91.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:12 pm

Sorry,

Read what Peter said in #86 and then re-read what you and others wrote in #87 – #91.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:13 pm

Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/17/2008 @ 2:54 pm

How about apologizing for the content of the post? It is bad enough we had to read that once.

truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:17 pm

My standards for the next 4-8 years are simple. I pray to Allah, God, Yaweh, et al that Baracky does not do anything that puts our national security at risk, raise taxes and cripple the actual taxpayers, etc …

I will go one better. I would change my view of him were he to stand up in front of the country and say “Social Security is a clusterfuck, and my party will demagogue this issue from now until the end of time unless I take some leadership on it.” In other words, if he actually does things in a new and hopey and changey way.

However, packaging up failed Leftist ideals of the past in new and hope and change is something that I hope that he fails at, because by your definition of success, it will be a loss for America.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:17 pm

#99 Because in order for people like you to declare him the greatest President ever………

JD, forget about what it takes for people like me to declare him a great president!!!

Jesus H. Christ!!
If he does all that you said and it works, I mean really works for people like you, isn’t that what we’re all looking for? Regardless of political affiliations??

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:19 pm

Read what Peter said in #86

We did. It was vapid and based on nothing. We responded accordingly.

TMJ – This half-assed crap is tiresome.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:21 pm

Comment by truthnjustice — 12/17/2008 @ 3:17 pm

How about you notify the press if you ever touch a woman intimately in your life.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:22 pm

Oiram – If he does all of what I said in #99, there is not a snowball’s chance in hell that it will be good for America.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:23 pm

#107 Nice attitude JD.

Hope your wrong.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:26 pm

JD- have you heard that Aretha Franklin is singing at the inauguration? A Michigan girl.
Do you love her?

MayBee (4a9480) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:29 pm

Obama, is going to be one of the best presidents this nations ever had, and just in time too.

Can you at least dissect that from the rest of Peter’s comment JD and be hopeful?

That’s all I’m asking for, not much really.
He’s going to be your President now, as Bush is currently mine.

Hope for the best JD.

Peace My Dyslexic Brother.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:31 pm

Oh for the love of all that is holy, MayBee. I have to go boil my eyes in bleach now.

Oiram – Can you point out a time in history where any of these recycled Leftist ideals have actually worked out for the citizenry? I will save you the effort, they have proven to be colossal failures. Giving more and more responsibility to the government does not make us better, it makes us far worse. Maybe you need a government to take care of you. Given what you have written today, I am surprised you can remember to exhale while breathing without teaching aids.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:32 pm

Nope, Oiram. But if you care to define what you mean by one of the greatest Presidents EVAH, I will be happy to reconsider.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:33 pm

For those of you that have never experienced MayBee’s links, they are not for the weak of heart.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:40 pm

Some people who have led very sheltered, protected lives are in for a severe shock, and extreme disappointment.
This does not apply to most people over 60, and many over 50.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:42 pm

xoxoxo

I hate to say it, but I think I might see some shaving bumps on there.

MayBee (4a9480) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:45 pm

I see that the overnight, interbank rate is now between zero & .25%.
When this fails, will they consider lending us money, and paying us to use it?

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:45 pm

Oh, for the love of God, MayBee. I did not think it could get any worse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AD – Nope. They will just give more to the UAW and then complain about “big business”.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:47 pm

JD, please get what I’m saying here.

There is no need for me to define what a great president is, you will undoubtedly disagree with me, we’ll argue back and forth and I’ll end up getting accused of hijacking the thread.

Please get me on this now. I’m hoping that JD is happy with President Obama by JD’s definition and standards. That’s all.

If JD is happy with his baracky, then I’m happy. That should be our barometer.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:51 pm

Oiram, all you seem to be about is misrepresentation.

Peter’s drivel isn’t “hope”, its cheap propaganda regurgitated without any digestion at all. Peter gave us nonsense without any basis, and all you can do is misrepresent to duck out that fact that there nothing to base Peter’s and your bumper sticker slogans on.

SPQR (72771e) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:52 pm

Good, then I will look forward to Obama taking a proactive national security position, look forward to him lowering taxes, look forward to him not expanding the role of the government into the auto, health, and retirement industries any more than it is at this very moment, and I look forward to him not doing as he has promised in Iraq. If you are rooting for the same ideals, then we are on the same page.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:54 pm

all you can do is misrepresent to duck out that fact that there nothing to base Peter’s and your bumper sticker slogans on

Let’s be fair, SPQR. Baracky promised them hope and change, which is what their inanity is based on.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 3:55 pm

#111 Oiram – Can you point out a time in history where any of these recycled Leftist ideals have actually worked out for the citizenry?

Not going to bother citing them JD, I know your revisionist history of Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and…….. Obama 🙂

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:00 pm

Hasn’t got a clue.

Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:04 pm

#120 We of course are not on the same page JD, but if Obama does all that and it works, then I’ll be happy and then we’ll be on the same page.

How about that?

I tend to think that you could still be happy if Obama doesn’t do all that. (here’s hoping)

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:07 pm

A troll can only thread jack with your consent.

JPGs on the other hand, can make you wince completely involuntarily.

Adriane (497622) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:10 pm

I know your revisionist history of … Obama

How exactly does one revise something that has not yet happened?

If Baracky does what I said in #120, I will be nice to midgets and clowns.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:10 pm

Hey Another, here is a nickel go buy yourself a clue too. Oh wait, Deflationary period……. here’s 3 cents now your not clueless yourself.

Oiram (983921) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:10 pm

If Barack shows as much sense as Kevin Rudd has in Australia, I’ll be content. Rudd campaigned on a platform of green energy and similar nonsense to that spewed by Obama. After he was PM, the electrical utilities told him what his plans would do to electricity prices. That was the last anyone heard about his green energy program. When guys like this are pissed at him, you know he’s doing something right. If Barack gets crossways with the NY Times, I’ll give him another look. Until then, he’s just another leftist.

Mike K (f89cb3) — 12/17/2008 @ 4:40 pm

No news. Everyone could’ve predicted that Obama would be named TIME’s man of the year.

And — just like every other year — this designation means a lot less than many people think it does.

Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:21 pm

The origins of the Time ‘Man of the Year’ cover idea may surprise you. It was conceived as a marketing ploy for slumping newsstand sales in December back in the ’20s. That’s all. Guess it still works. If memory serves, the first was either Lincoln or Lindbergh.

DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:40 pm

Forgive us if we don’t trust your memory. That whole Liddy is a proven domestic terrorist thing, and all …

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:43 pm

Oiram isn’t just defending Obama… he’s defending CARTER. The guy who let the Iranian Revolution occur and favored Mugabe over democracy.

But I agree with those who note that Obama has no record to revise. He’s a complete blank slate who never voted on controversy, never spoke out on it, and is still completely vague about everything. All we know are hope and change, and all he’s provided is promises of gloomy economy and attacks and status quo appointments. Obama is the one doing the revising about Obama, I would argue.

Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:47 am

Is “Icy Texan” the new screen name for “Icy Truth”?

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:47 am

Lovey – Why did Obama lie to the media about he and his team’s contacts with Blago and his team? Why does he have such an instinctual aversion to the truth?

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:46 am

Is Baracky the greatest Senator evah? Why would his presidency be any better?

Pablo (99243e) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:48 am

I can’t wait for my free mortgage and gas!

2009 is going to be the bestest year EVAR!!!111!!

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:19 am

Hello Daley. Right now you must address Obama as your President elect. And trust that he will do what is necessary to be sworn in come Jan. 20th. Everything except to lie about a corrupt Governor.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:25 am

You stay classy, love2008.

Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:41 am

Right now you must address Obama as your President elect

It never takes too long for the jackboot in the Leftists to come out. We MUST do so?

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:15 am

Right now you must address Obama as your President elect.

Javol, Mein Fuhrer! (goosestepping as he passes the reviewing stand).

Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:20 am

“Right now you must address Obama as your President elect.”

Lovey, I am not in his circle so I do not have to address him at all.

“Everything except to lie about a corrupt Governor.”

Lovey, he’s already demonstrably lied about contacts with Blago? Why did he do this and why are you dodging the question? Do you have the same problem with telling the truth as PeBHO?

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:39 am

daleyrocks – His natural instinct is to lie. It is what they do.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:46 am

JD – The dirty little socialist is unable to tell the truth until he is forced into a corner and even then not all of it comes out. The campaign proved that with his explainations of his relationships with Rezko, Wright, Ayers, ACORN and the Annenberg Challenge for starters.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:59 am

Right now you must address Obama as your President elect.

No, I can call him Monkey von Commieracist if I like. I learned that from my liberal friends.

Pablo (99243e) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:10 am

I prefer [Daley’s] Pissboy-Elect.

nk (bdc27b) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:20 am

You MUST….

I love it when the Left is hoist upon their own petard.

They displayed a complete lack of respect for the Office of the President with the manner in which they treated 43, an attitude that they resent now that it is being turned-back upon “their” President.

Reap, as Ye shall sow!

OH, boo-hoo-hoo!
What a bunch of ~~whiners~~ weiners!

Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:23 am

What really pisses me off about us making Juggy President(snicker)Elect is that Putin and Hu have still not stop laughing about it.

nk (bdc27b) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:26 am

If you were responding to love2008, Another Drew, you left out a comma:

Reap, as Ye shall, sow!

nk (bdc27b) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:28 am

Now, now, nk….a little temperance and moderation is not a bad thing.

Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:38 am

Hey, Pablo, remember that “…dissent is the highest form of patriotism…”

Or so we kept getting told for the past eight years. Funny how it all changes with a “D” instead of an “R.”

Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:41 am

33 days to D-Day. Everything is moving smoothly. Unfortunately for some of us here. Obama is even coming under fire from his wacko liberal left wingers for choosing Rick Warren for the invocation service in the inauguration. He is doing everything we hoped he would. A Democrat with a conservative heart. Just the right man for the job. But of course you will still find reason to disagree. Even when he does the right thing.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:29 am

Less trollingl. More discussion.

And most of all: more class.

You can do it.

Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:30 am

They displayed a complete lack of respect for the Office of the President with the manner in which they treated 43, an attitude that they resent now that it is being turned-back upon “their” President.
Comment by Another Drew — 12/18/2008 @ 9:23 am

Count me out of that group. I trully respect and value George Bush. I have said so many times on this blog. Christians are taught to respect authority and pray for the king. This I have made a personal practice. Respecting the presidency is not about a man. It’s about an institution ordained by God. He chooses an anoints men for leadership. It is His show. This is why i feel an example should be made of that crazy, shoe-throwing arab. And I am particularly enraged and ashamed of Americans who say he (the shoe-thrower) did the right thing and that Bush deserved it. Such people should not be allowed to exist in this great nation. They should be banished to Iraq! An assault on the President is an assault on the nation. It is an insult that must be punished!

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:42 am

A Democrat with a conservative heart

And this assessment is based on what?

Nice to know lovie thinks God chose Baracky.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:53 am

Dear love2008:

Sarcasm needs to be used sparingly. Otherwise it comes across as loopy and mean-spirited.

It’s a spice, not a food group.

Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:56 am

And when it’s not particularly clever or creative it just comes across amateurish.

Jack Klompus (cf3660) — 12/18/2008 @ 11:05 am

And I am particularly enraged and ashamed of Americans who say he (the shoe-thrower) did the right thing and that Bush deserved it. Such people should not be allowed to exist in this great nation. They should be banished to Iraq!

The Iraqis aren’t too happy with it either. You noticed that it was his fellow journalists that decked him, right? Check this guy out too.

Pablo (99243e) — 12/18/2008 @ 11:06 am

Sarcasm needs to be used sparingly. Otherwise it comes across as loopy and mean-spirited.

It’s a spice, not a food group.

Comment by Eric Blair — 12/18/2008 @ 10:56 am

I don’t think I understand your point, Eric. Where have I displayed an over-use of sarcasm here? I have merely stated my opinion.

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 11:16 am

The Iraqis aren’t too happy with it either. You noticed that it was his fellow journalists that decked him, right? Check this guy out too.

Comment by Pablo — 12/18/2008 @ 11:06 am
The Iraqis are divided on what they think about this guy. Some say he is a hero and some say he is a nut-head. But those who disagree with him for throwing shoes at Bush think he shouldn’t have done it in front of the Iraqi PM. Yes, throw your shoes at Bush but don’t do it here. So they don’t necessarily disagree with him. Let’s not kid ourselves. These people hate us and everything we stand for. This recent event proves it. Yes there are those who condemn it. But how many?

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 11:30 am

Comment by love2008 — 12/18/2008 @ 11:30 am

You take the actions of one, or a few, and project that upon the many, which is an assumption on your part that is unsupported by the evidence, and is false reasoning (I’m quite confident someone else here can come up with the proper Latin term for such an action, it escapes me at this point).
For one thing, your assumption that “…These people hate us and everything we stand for…” is belied by the desire for the Iraqi Military, and the political structure in Anwar and Kurdistan, for the continuing presence of the U.S. in Iraq as per the Status of Forces Agreement, and beyond.

Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 11:46 am

“These people hate us and everything we stand for. This recent event proves it.”
Laughable inductive reasoning FAIL deluxe.

Jack Klompus (cf3660) — 12/18/2008 @ 12:03 pm

I would probably have picked Bernanke, if you asked me who the man of the year should be; but given Obama’s wider cultural effect, it doesn’t strike me as being unreasonable to name him.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 12/18/2008 @ 12:20 pm

Let’s not kid ourselves. These people hate us and everything we stand for.

If you are talking about the Iraqi’s, this is one of the most boneheaded comments you have ever made.

JD (7f8e8c) — 12/18/2008 @ 12:24 pm

aphrael,

If that’s the standard, it should be Time’s Celebrity of the Year.

DRJ (803bba) — 12/18/2008 @ 12:26 pm

Comment by Another Drew — 12/18/2008 @ 11:46 am

So explain for me, if you can why thousands of Iraqis filled the streets, demanding the release of this shoe-throwing hero and that Americans should leave Iraq? Or maybe that version of reality is too harsh for you to swallow. Iraq was a complete fiasco. A waste of lives, time and money. This latest event was the final nail on the coffin.
Please remind me again, how many Iraqis actually took to the streets, demanding the head of this shoe-thrower in solidarity to Bush? How many?

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:41 pm

“This latest event was the final nail on the coffin.”
HA! Oh yeah I’m sure our entire military presence will be drawn down on January 21st due to this “final nail.”

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:46 pm

Maybe the explanation for them filling the streets in protest has something to do with the fact that they are now able to take to the streets in protest to express opinions other than fear-driven pseudo-solidarity with their deranged Baathist overlord?

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:48 pm

Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/18/2008 @ 4:48 pm
So we brought them democracy so they can use it against us and throw shoes at our Commander-in-chief? Makes sense, Jack. Long live democracy!

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:58 pm

Well, yeah. It’s a little harsh, but isn’t it great that they have the freedom to express their ingratitude?

steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:59 pm

One journalist = “they” = entire Iraqi population. Makes sense, love, long live your impeccable logic!

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:59 pm

Comment by Jack Klompus — 12/18/2008 @ 4:59 pm
That’s your problem, Jack. You want treat the shoe-throwing incidence as one, solitary, isolated non-event. Well it doesn’t work that way in the real world. There are hundreds of thousands of liberated Iraqis who think he did the right thing and what you out of their country, last week!

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:13 pm

and there are hundreds of thousands who don’t want the U.S. to leave.

So where does that leave us? We need to stay & keep stability. It was only a few short years ago that Saddam HUSSEIN was alive & kicking. There’s a lot for the Iraqis to do to get a democracy going. Permitting open dissent is one of those things.

steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:16 pm

#173
“What” should be “want”.

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:19 pm

“There are hundreds of thousands of liberated Iraqis who think he did the right thing and what you out of their country”
First of all, I’m not in that country. I assume you are since you know that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis want us out of there? And yes that was one solitary incident. Did you notice how one person committed that act? You see, that makes it one solitary act. One person = one act. Elementary school math there, lovey. So the crowd estimates in this one journalist’s support-protest numbered in the hundreds of thousands?

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:21 pm

Lovey – Please remind yourself that if Baracky had had his way, the Americans would already be out Iraq and they would be enjoying some nice genocide right about now, which he said would not trouble him.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:22 pm

Comment by steve miller — 12/18/2008 @ 5:16 pm
You know Steve, I think you have a point. It’s all part of democracy. But I don’t think democracy should include, flinging shoes at a president with intent of inflicting serious harm. That is not democracy. That is a rejection of democracy.

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:25 pm

Lots of people protest in the United States every day, often expressing how much they supposedly hate the system under which they can freely throw as big of a temper tantrum on the street that they want with impunity. They know that nothing of any serious consequence is going to happen to them. Street level dissidents in the U.S., Europe, and other free societies no matter how “radical” they portray themselves always know that the system allows them to take to the streets and call for its overthrow despite it being what allows them to express those views. It’s a delightful little paradox of a free society.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:26 pm

Comment by love2008 — 12/18/2008 @ 4:41 pm
Perhaps you can explain to me “…why thousands of ~~Iraqis~~ Mexicans filled the streets (in Los Angeles), demanding…” amnesty from the ungrateful Gringo’s?

You give me enough time, and a bunch of “community organizers”, and I’ll fill any street with a crowd demanding most anything.

Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:26 pm

Love, I’m not sure how a journalist injecting himself into politics can be stopped in Iraq if we can’t even stop it here in America, home of the free and non-partisan press.

steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:27 pm

Comment by daleyrocks — 12/18/2008 @ 5:22 pm
Well he has had his way already. And he will soon withdraw them from Iraq. You can bet on that, Daley.

love2008 (1b037c) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:32 pm

Uh yeah, because he’s going to listen to what the military commanders who actually have a clue about the situation on the ground tell him, not because he’s any kind of military genius.

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:33 pm

Soon == how many days? Is there an outside limit? like 1400 days or so? Bambi the candidate spouting off ideas is one thing; Bambi the President is another. He can’t just make vacuous statements & hope crises go away.

Remember, Biden said his enemies would “test” him, and test him soon after his ascension anointing coronation inauguration.

steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:35 pm

lovie, on Election Day, 2012, there will still be 100K U.S. troops in Iraq! And, I’ve got a fresh Franklin to back it up. We’ll let PP hold the stakes?

Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:35 pm

“Well he has had his way already.”

Lovey – No, not at the time he wanted. Obviously after the Surge, which he did nor believe would succeed, was successful and is allowing for a more peaceful transition of Iraq to a democracy. See his quotes from the summer of 2007, Lovey.

daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:36 pm

Obama’s sycophants in the media have been pulling back the expectations on Iraq gradually ever since he got elected and burying the changing meme as far back as they can. 16 months? Uh maybe not…read about it on page 32. But if at any point during an Obama administration there is a significant drawdown his minions will attribute it to his alleged genius.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/12/the-christmas-g.html

Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:39 pm

Touché, folks.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:53 pm

You give me enough time, and a bunch of “community organizers”, and I’ll fill any street with a crowd demanding most anything.

Since community organizers “don’t do anything” and you are the master organizer, I would like you to fill high street in Columbus Ohio from 270 to 270 with Irish people who are in favor of pre-emptively striking Iran. I would like it to take place on March 18. Yes, the day after St. Patrick’s day. Go!

truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:14 pm

Since community organizers “don’t do anything” and you are the master organizer, I would like you to fill high street in Columbus Ohio from 270 to 270 with Irish people who are in favor of pre-emptively striking Iran. I would like it to take place on March 18. Yes, the day after St. Patrick’s day. Go!

The disconnect between this and what you’re responding to is too great to be accidental. It’s as though you read it and did your best to completely misunderstand every clause in each sentence. Everything from ‘give me enough time’ = ‘you have one day that is impossible’ to ‘asking for something’ = Irish people wanting to strike Iran (which is a perfect touch, since most Irish people like most other people, have no problem with an airstrike on Iran already)’. An impressive and thorough feat. 5 stars, and I salute you.

Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:22 pm

Ha. Thank you, Juan.

= Irish people wanting to strike Iran (which is a perfect touch, since most Irish people like most other people, have no problem with an airstrike on Iran already)’.

Got a link on that assertion?

truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:26 pm

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