Bloomberg’s Support for Caroline Kennedy
[Guest post by DRJ]
Last week, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg spoke out in support of Caroline Kennedy’s appointment to Hillary’s Senate seat, saying she is experienced and “can do anything.” However, Bloomberg also said he would not try to “insert himself” into the selection process:
“The governor has weeks to decide, and Bloomberg said he wasn’t going to try to insert himself into the governor’s selection process.
“Caroline is very competent. The governor has obviously a lot of good candidates to pick from and I won’t be presumptuous enough to try to insert myself into what’s obviously a very difficult situation for him,” the mayor said.”
That was the public Bloomberg, but the Drudge Report leaks an upcoming article in the New York Times that indicates, in private, Mayor Bloomberg is pulling strings to get the Clinton Senate seat for Caroline Kennedy:
“When a powerful labor leader picked up the phone this week, he was surprised to hear the voice of a top aide to New York City Mayor Bloomberg. The aide made it clear: Caroline Kennedy [lose the Schlossberg] is going to be senator, “so get on board now!”
Buttons are being pushed and strings pulled by the mayor, the NEW YORK TIMES plans to front on Thursday.
The involvement has helped immediately elevate and coordinate the debut of Kennedy, who lacked an experienced political staff of her own.”
I’m curious why Bloomberg would go to bat for Caroline Kennedy. Maybe he thinks she would make a good Senator but my guess is Bloomberg thinks he can influence her. What do you think?
— DRJ
I don’t know – since when does anyone influence any Kennedy? They’re a clan unto themselves, and always will be.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:30 pmNYC needs $$. That’s all you need to know. He thinks she can get it. Besides, Bloomy’s an independent now.
Chris (cefe13) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:34 pmWill Bloomberg ever quit calling himself a Republican?
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:34 pmI’ll add in the caveat for the East German agent who was sleeping with JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:40 pmSeems rather simple on the face of it. They run in the same NYC circles. Nice being on a first name basis with your senator. And all that implies. Plus, I’d imagine she’s much more pleasant to deal with than Schumer. Handle would work equally.
allan (dd82b9) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:49 pmBloomy is a scummy weasel scummy scummy head, so it is impossible to figure out the motives behind his actions.
bigcity (b0fe29) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:52 pmDRJ, quoting Drudge:
The aide made it clear: Caroline Kennedy [lose the Schlossberg] is going to be senator [. . .]
Sweet! I am not much of a Druge fan, but it is interesting that someone else picked up on the point that I made yesterday regarding the name change.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:56 pmDRJ- It’s about NYC, not NY state. She’d be the Big Apple’s senator in Washington and is a money magnet. She’s also a Manhattanite and with Bloomberg wanting to be mayor forever, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg with hubby working the money cow will be able to bring home the goodies for NYC. Los Angeles should be so lucky. Personally, I don’t think she’s got the steel to do the gig, but it might be hard to say no and to just let her try to succeed or fail on the job.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 6:57 pm“I can see the Russian Tea Room from my house.” –Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:00 pmIch bin ein Manhattaner.
allan (dd82b9) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:06 pmI don’t think she’s got the steel to do the gig, but it might be hard to say no and to just let her try to succeed or fail on the job.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:07 pmHow exactly does a Senator “fail” anyway? Does any Senator lose his or her seat except for the following two criteria: (1) he or she is personally involved in a scandal (and it usually has to include indictment) or (2) his or her party loses favor in the eyes of the voter. Appointing Caroline Kennedy [Schlossberg] is as close as anyone is going to come to a lifetime appointment, so any NY voter with a smidgen of doubt about her ought to consider petitioning the governor to appoint someone else.
According to Wikipedia
Although she is often incorrectly referred to as “Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg,” she did not change her name when she married
tomhynes (c43c0a) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:21 pm#11- JVW- They fail when they’re not re-elected.
She’d have to run to keep the seat in a few years and you may be underestimating the capacity for voters to distinguish between celebrity and competence. Her looming opponent is buffoon, Peter King. So that would offer NYers quite a contrast.
After the past 8 years, people crave competent leadership.
Personally, I think she should have accepted either the U.N. Ambassadorship or Ambassador to the Court Of St. James gigs where her celebrity would be much more effective as a political tool.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:37 pmBaracky just won the Presidency, and you have the temerity to write this?!
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:38 pmPersonally, I think she should have accepted either the U.N. Ambassadorship or Ambassador to the Court Of St. James gigs where her celebrity would be much more effective as a political tool.
Oh please. Other than her corrupt whoring grandfather, can anyone name an Ambassador to the Court of St. James in the last 100 years? Caroline Kennedy [Schlossberg — and if she never adopted it then that is news to the New York Times] would never deign to a position that did not land her name in the newspaper on a regular basis; she is a Kennedy after all. Besides, the London posting only lasts along as Dear Leader is in office. A Senate seat, if properly managed (see Kennedy, Uncle Teddy) is a lifetime appointment.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:47 pmShe is about as qualified for either of those positions as Baracky is to be President, so I guess in Leftist world, that makes perfect sense.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:53 pmThe big question is Hillary’s role in all this. Ok, Juggy O’Ears owes a big favor to Caroline for calling him her daddy reborn. She makes it clear, once he becomes President(snicker)Elect, that her payoff is going to be Hillary’s seat? Juggy buys off Hillary with the Secretary of State appointment? What did Hillary know and when did she know it?
nk (bdc27b) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:53 pm#14 JD- Absolutely.
Competence won out. He beat out the heir apparent, ran a superb campaign and speaks English in complete, coherent sentences without a Southern accent.
Apparently you can’t distinguish between the two.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 7:59 pmMove to NY and vote against her when the appointee has to run. It’ll be hard for Patterson to deny her the gig.
The only competency Baracky has demonstrated in his career is the ability to win votes, and read someone else’s words off a teleprompter. You are a joke. A stark raving mad joke.
Nice bigotry there, ass.
Style over substance. It is the Democrat way.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:05 pmWhy? Does he owe her? Or is she entitled to it?
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:08 pm#15- JVW- Yes. I can. Walter Annenberg.
As I’m United States citizen who resided in the United Kingdom for several years, we tend to know who is the U.S. Ambassador is to the country we live in.
As for a senator seat being a lifetime post, take that up with one term, former Arizona Senator Harrison Schmitt. And he was a fairly competent fellow, capable of managing complex things. 36 years ago this month he was landing a lunar module on the moon.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:11 pm#4- You KNOW about the Cuban Missile Crisis?? Quick! Give Dana Perino a call and brief her.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:14 pmHe beat out the heir apparent, ran a superb campaign and speaks English in complete, coherent sentences without a Southern accent.
Here is a list of all the risible statements in your comment:
“He beat out the heir apparent” — Suggesting this shows an utter lack of understanding of the history and differences between John McCain and George W. Bush.
“[He] ran a superb campaign” — With all the advantages he had (tanking economy, anger at Bush, outlandish media adulation, deep pockets from left-wing supporters), he still only won by what, 52.5% to 47.5%? Not quite a Reaganesque victory, DCSCA, and not too different from the margin by which Bush beat John Kerry.
“[He] speaks English in complete, coherent sentences without a Southern accent” — As JD points out, not when he is caught without his handy teleprompter. Then it is all “uh” and “ah” and “that is” and “I mean” and all the other verbal crutches that the so-called intellectuals get away with. It’s even worse when — God forbid — he is asked a question for which his staff has not prepared him. Then he lapses into gibberish.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:17 pmYou want to hear my Caroline Kennedy story? OK.
We were both at Harvard together, & lived in the same house (Winthrop). One morning at breakfast, I sleepily retrieved my toast from the toaster, sat down and began to butter it. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw Caroline Kennedy rushing toward me, screaming that I had her toast! Fully disturbed and embarrassed, but mostly just confused, I held the toast up to her, half-buttered, in a sincere offering of forgiveness (and embarassment). She reached for the toast, as if in slow motion, just before she rippped it away, she heard the toaster pop up some other toast, she turned and realized her horrible mistake. She apologized (sincerely, I think), and retrieved HER toast from the toaster.
So that’s my Caroline Kennedy story and I don’t see why she shouldn’t be a senator.
Susan (b32a8a) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:23 pmSusan, how about because the only experience you’ve cited for her is that of making toast.
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:24 pmJVW – It is a Euro. I knows stuff better than us knuckle dragging mouth breathing rubes. Especially the ones from the South.
Racists.
.
I would beg to differ. Gibberish is the default setting.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:25 pmDCSCA (#21, 8:11 pm): Interesting example. Maybe for smaller states like New Mexico you do need to maintain a higher profile locally. For larger state, it seems like you can get away with having a national profile instead. Schmitt lost in 1982 during a recession year, so that might have come into play too.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:26 pmSusan – Clearly, that qualifies her to be a US Senator.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:27 pmJVW,
Good job noticing the not-a-Schlossberg name issue. And, if it’s okay with you, I’d like to add my objection to DCSCA’s “without a Southern accent” to your #23. Over the years, I’ve learned people who are not from the South sometimes mistake a Southern accent for stupidity. I’m tempted to think DCSCA may be one of them.
DRJ (803bba) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:27 pmSo that’s my Caroline Kennedy story and I don’t see why she shouldn’t be a senator.
Well, if it is important to the people of New York that their toast is not taken by the people of Missouri or Oregon or Kentucky or wherever, then I think Caroline Kennedy [Schlossberg] would be a capital choice!
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:29 pmShe should obviously be Senator. They never have to make their own toast.
DRJ (803bba) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:31 pmDRJ, I’ll bet Abraham Lincoln — born in Kentucky, reared in Indiana — had what would today be considered a Southern accent. I suppose the modern liberal upon hearing him would assume that he is was a backwoods rube.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:32 pm1. “He beat out the heir apparent” — Suggesting this shows an utter lack of understanding of the history and differences between John McCain and George W. Bush.
I was refering to Hillary Clinton.
2. “[He] ran a superb campaign” — With all the advantages he had (tanking economy, anger at Bush, outlandish media adulation, deep pockets from left-wing supporters), he still only won by what, 52.5% to 47.5%? Not quite a Reaganesque victory, DCSCA, and not too different from the margin by which Bush beat John Kerry.
He won. And by a substantial margin. And actually, the mix is very Reaganesque. and very FDR. And somewhat Lincolnesque. Accept it. You’ll sleep better.
3. “[He] speaks English in complete, coherent sentences without a Southern accent” He does. He had Ted Sorensen to source. Bush had Yale, Harvard, his pappy and Alfred E. Newman.
If you graduated with Bush, demand a rebate.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:32 pm#32- Lincoln was a liberal.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:33 pmI told you all that it was a howling moonbat almost the first time it commented here. Had it not made one good comment, an outlier to be sure, had a brief spurt of lucidity, it would be in the mock pile with the likes of TMJ.
DRJ – Why is it that the enlightened liberals like DCSCA have not problem expressing overt bigotry towards Southerners?
Only if you get to rewrite history. Reagan won 56 out of 57 states, losing only Minnesota, which still has the opportunity to be handed over to Canada should they fail to do the right thing.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:38 pmJust. Another. Troll.
And a snobbish one at that. Which makes me wonder, precisely, why an accent matters so much to this troll? Why, it would be like my counting “ums” when BO speaks without a TelePrompter, and making judgements about that person’s intelligence!
But that would be most superficial of me.
I love the juxtaposition of FDR and Reagan, for all kinds of reasons, mostly revolving around a lack of knowledge of both recent and more distant history. Then there is the snide addition at the end. Hmmm.
As I say, interesting that this person pops up right about now.
You don’t suppose?
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:39 pmDCSCA is prolly one of those that would say something like it is intolerant of intolerance, and not understand why we would point and laugh.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:40 pm#27- NM,yes, not Arizona. My error– so long ago. He did have a pretty high profile– out of this world, so to speak. If memory serves, Glenn lost a run for president with a high profile but his celebrity didnt carry him into the presidential orbit. I think we tend to agree that Caroline Kennedy isnt cut out for the senate gig, which is the main thrust of this thread. Her family name gets her in the door, but just judging by her TV appearence today in upstate NY, I dont think she has the grit to do the gig. But Patterson wont have much choice. To pass hder over, especially as she is in the camp of the president-elect, will end Patterson’s career as governor and Rudy is after that gig. I think he has no choicve but to give a Kennedy a shot at it–(no pun intended.)
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:41 pmAnd actually, the mix is very Reaganesque. and very FDR. And somewhat Lincolnesque.
Actually, the mix is very Daley buttkisser. And very a top to bottoms and a bottom to tops. And somewhat Curious Georgesque.
nk (bdc27b) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:43 pmHe won. And by a substantial margin.
OK, I’ll play along. Here are some margins of victory in popular vote during Obama’s lifetime:
1972 – Nixon +23%
1964 – Johnson +22%
1984 – Reagan +18%
1980 – Reagan +10%
1988 – Bush +8%
1996 – Clinton +8%
1992 – Clinton +6%
Knowing this, do you really think Dear Leader’s 5% margin last month is that impressive? It ranks seventh among the eleven elections during his lifetime. Not too big a deal.
#32- Lincoln was a liberal.
That whirring sound you hear is Abe spinning in his grave upon hearing your ridiculous claim.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:43 pmShoot, miscounted. Ranks eighth out of twelve.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:46 pm“I can see the little people’s bank accounts from my townhouse.” – Caroline Kennedy
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:48 pm“I can see the little people’s out houses from my private jet.” – Caroline Kennedy
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:49 pm#24- Susan–
You can toast her when she’s appointed with some Rye.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:50 pmJVW- Lincoln was a liberal. Accept it. A war was fought over it. The one the South started… and lost.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:53 pmDCSCA – So, how does it feel to go through life as a bigot?
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:54 pmPerfect Sense:
“I can see the Russian Tea Room from my townhouse.”
More contemporary.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:55 pmJVW – That English dude said it twice. It must be true.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:57 pmThe only silver lining to Hillary’s accession to the position of Foreign Minister is that the Hillary jinx on the New York Yankees will be over. The Yankees won their most recent World Series in late October, 2000–just days before New York voters elected Hillary to the Senate–and nothing since.
Official Internet Data Office (dc9153) — 12/17/2008 @ 8:58 pmJVW- Lincoln was a liberal. Accept it. A war was fought over it. The one the South started… and lost.
Lincoln sought to free an oppressed people who had been suffering from years of mistreatment in an inhumane and unjust system. His opponents argued that it wasn’t worth risking life or treasure over, and that in due time things would work themselves out. Lincoln prosecuted a very difficult war that had a lot of his putative allies turn against him and push him to end it before victory had been secured. Lincoln ignored them, replaced his lead general, and fought on.
Does this remind you of any present-day parallels?
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:00 pmOIDO – It is not a coincidence. I think if you track it back to when she said she was a Yankees fan all her life, you will find the turning point. I think she had also claimed to be a lifetime Cubs fan, and maybe a Braves fan too, but those teams are just the suXxor.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:00 pmJVW – Dontcha know that facts will never get in the way of Teh Narrative?
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:01 pmThe only silver lining to Hillary’s accession to the position of Foreign Minister is that the Hillary jinx on the New York Yankees will be over.
$141 million for C.C. Sabbathia when no one else was offering more than $120 million? The jinx will continue, with or without HRC.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:01 pmDCSA,
I hate to correct you but Lincoln and the north started the war.
Get your facts straight.
That was, too, a war of convenience launched by a religuous Republican.
Let us not discuss its morality or anything ….
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:02 pm#29- DRJ: “You may very well think that. But I could not possibly comment.” – Francis Urquhart (Ian Richardson) House Of Cards, 1990
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:02 pmHow is it possible to pick such an inexperienced candidate for such an important position!
Gad damn McCain and the Republicans …. oopps ….. god damn the Democrats.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:06 pmHe sure as shit wasn’t a conservative. Based on the definition of the term… conservatives defend the status quo, not to mention that Lincoln favored the strong central government.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:08 pmThis is a feature, not a bug, for the Dems. See Baracky. And Hillary. And Silky Pony.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:10 pmOh, Good Allah. TMJ is going to come give us a TMJ history lesson. Definitions are pliable, if not outright optional.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:11 pmtruthnjustice admits that pro choicers are conservative and pro lifers are liberal.
that fighting saddam was liberal and opposing the patriot act conservative.
silly and stupid to define the conservative position as though it applies to every matter. Lincoln believed in the preservation of the union. He was classically liberal in many ways, just as, say, Rush Limbaugh.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:12 pmLincoln was not liberal in the modern usage of the word liberal. I think he was more of a classical liberal, which would place him closer to the Reagan and JFK’s than the Baracky and Slick Willies.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:13 pmTruth, that definition of Conservatism being about keeping the status quo is really idiotic.
With respect to Lincoln’s view of the Central Gov.t — I find it hard to believe any Pre-FDR Politician would find this central gov.t even recognizable.
So, frankly, I have no idea what Lincoln would think if he magically would appear but I can’t imagine he would take many Demoncrap positions.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:15 pmHere is a good link about this issue:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Republican_Party_Roots
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:16 pm#54 – Get your facts straight. Lincoln did not start the American Civil War. The Southern states seceded before Lincoln became President and the Southern states attacked Fort Sumter shortly after Lincoln became President.
Jeez.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:17 pmConservatives defend the status quo, not to mention that Lincoln favored the strong central government.
Aw, tnj, you have to get a little more in-depth than what you read on the Huffington Post. If Conservatives “defend the status quo” then would Bush have pushed for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq? Would he have suggested an overhaul of social security? Would he have promoted the ownership society? The reality is that both parties defend the status quo where it suits their needs (see Democrats and public education, entitlements, the racial spoils system, etc.) and push for reform where it fits into their worldview.
Conservatives believe that time-honored traditions that are shown to work deserve respect and should be maintained. Liberals fall in love with every kooky idea that passes through the zeitgeist.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:18 pmClearly, Lincoln is the father of the Democratic Party. History has shown that Lincoln was one of the greatest Democrats EVAH. Oops. Someone needs to tell the Republicans and Democrats that they have gotten their Lincoln Day Dinners and the Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinners all messed up for the last few decades. The need to fix their programs this year. TMJ is rewriting history for us.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:20 pmPerfect is right… the South fired the first shot of the civil war, both literally and figuratively.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:20 pm#50: JVW- Actually, that was pretty liberal thinking in 1861. However, his primary motivation in 1861 was to restore the Union after the Southern states suceeded.
And no, it doesnt bring to mind a parellel of late unless you’re referncing the liberation of middle east oil fields for long-term contract and infrastructure development.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:20 pmAnd Lincoln’s religion is a matter of controversy. Suffice it to say that I would not feel comfortable in considering him a Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion
(The other day I was told that wikipedia is a decent source)
“When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That’s my religion.”~Abraham Lincoln
-That doesn’t sound too much like John 3:16 to me
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:22 pmAlright, I finally clicked on one of TMJ’s links. That read like a badly sourced 8th grade essay.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:23 pmIf Eric Blair reads this, I would like to warn him to not click on that link. His head will explode.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:23 pmAnd no, it doesnt bring to mind a parellel of late unless you’re referncing the liberation of middle east oil fields for long-term contract and infrastructure development.
Thanks for saying that. It is a good clue that I am wasting my time trying to argue with you. If you want to play that way, I’ll allege that Dear Leader is a secret Muslim who is going to establish the Caliphate here in the U.S. Tinfoil paranoia deserves tinfoil paranoia in response.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:24 pmAnd another thing: You can’t see the Russian Tea Room from a townhouse. There are no townhouses (single family homes of three or four stories) on the north side of 57th street (a commercial street) between Sixth and Seventh, and you certainly can’t count dingy brownstones with commercial space on the first story as “townhouses.”
Official Internet Data Office (dc9153) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:24 pm“suceeded”, Virginia?
Now that is something to make Abe ‘spin’.
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:24 pmComment by JVW — 12/17/2008 @ 9:18 pm
Most conservatives have dumped Bush by now, so I am not sure if I can accept him as an example of one.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:24 pm#67- Well, you know public schools today. They teach the South fired the first shot at a bar in Atlanta with a Bic lighter.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:24 pmPerfect Sense,
Secession was not an act of War. South Carolina had every right to do what it did.
Upon Lincoln coming to office SC did its thing but more importantly SC and Lincoln agreed that Lincoln would not attack nor would it take war footing on SC soil. SC agreed to let the FEDs keep Sumnter.
Lincoln however began sneaking in arms to Fort Sumnter, a violation of his promise, which led to the attacks on Fort Sumnter.
I have no problem with what Lincoln did but Lincoln was looking for a fight to impose his will. He did. We won. Its great he did.
Just like FDR went to war versus the Germans by supporting the British War machine with essentially lend lease.
If there are two guys in your home and one is giving the other the gun — who cares who actually shots.
Lincoln and FDR started wars of convenience. Like Bush.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:25 pmLincoln’s religious beliefs are relevant how?
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:27 pmComment by JD — 12/17/2008 @ 9:23 pm
Perhaps you would like to write an essay about Lincoln’s views? There is nothing about the republican party of that time that matches the party today.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:28 pmda, there’s truth in that, of course. but either you accept the first violent act as the start of the war or you blame slavery. you can’t just pretend nothing happened before any particular point.
the civil war was started basically when virginia started whining at the constitutional convention.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:28 pm#73: And another thing, you can’t see Russia from Wassilla. And Santa doesn’t show up on NORAD radar. Jeez. Try, decaf.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:29 pmGo to the journals recently released about one of the commanders at Sumnter. Interesting history.
Lincoln started the War — the fact he did no shoot the first shot is a distinction that makes no difference.
SC wanted out and they had every right to do just like the other states did. They did not want the FEDs sticking their noses in State issues and certainly did not want A SITTING ARMY building up arms at their Capital.
Hello!
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:29 pmComment by Icy Texan — 12/17/2008 @ 9:27 pm
Keep up man.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:31 pmtruth has been more thoroughly embarrassed than any poster in the history of this board.
it’s amazing he hasn’t changed his nick.
Bush/Lincoln felt that war ws justified by human rights and national defense and that a deceleration by congress or international support was not requisite. he also suspended habeus for war reasons.
TNR made the rules of his debate and I have clearly proven him wrong… will he concede? Of course not.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:31 pm#72- JVW: I’ll allege that Dear Leader is a secret Muslim who is going to establish the Caliphate here in the U.S. Tinfoil paranoia deserves tinfoil paranoia in response.
“You may very well think that. But I could not possibly comment.” – Francis Urquhart (Ian Richardson) House Of Cards, 1990
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:32 pmTMJ quoting wiki in re. Lincoln’s religion? Priceless.
Did you bother to read any of it?
I will help you out …
but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular…
The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God cannot be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God’s purpose is something different from the purpose of either party — and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose. I am almost ready to say that this is probably true — that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere great power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And, having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds
In regard to this great book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man’s welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.[
I do not believe a word of it. It could not have been true of him while here, for I have had frequent and intimate conversations with him on the Subject of the Bible and the Christian religion, when he could have had no motive to deceive me, and I considered him sound not only on the truth of the Christian religion but on all its fundamental doctrines and teachings. And more than that, in the latter days of his chastened and weary life, after the death of his son Willie, and his visit to the battlefield of Gettysburg, he said, with tears in his eyes, that he had lost confidence in everything but God, and that he now believed his heart was changed, and that he loved the Savior, and, if he was not deceived in himself, it was his intention soon to make a profession of religion
From the time of the death of our little Edward, I believe my husband’s heart was directed towards religion & as time passed on – when Mr. Lincoln became elevated to Office – with the care of a great Nation, upon his shoulders – when devastating war was upon us then indeed to my knowledge – did his great heart go up daily, hourly, in prayer to God – for his sustaining power When too – the overwhelming sorrow came upon us, our beautiful bright angelic boy, Willie was called away from us, to his Heavenly Home, with God’s chastising hand upon us – he turned his heart to Christ
None are so blind as those that absolutely fuckin’ refuse to see.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:32 pmJuan, again let us not mix and match as we see fit.
If you put events in a timeline (which are rarely done) Lincoln was a provacateur and committed an act of war against SC.
Th South did not want war. They just want a looser aglomeration of “Soveriegn States.”
Lincoln, having seen the ups and downs post 1789, understood a house divided would never stand. He felt Slavery was that core issue that needed to be fixed.
So he did. Good for him but that DUDE WAS A WAR MONGER!
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:33 pmThere is nothing about the republican party of that time that matches the party today.
Except for that whole thing about an individual’s duty to provide form him or herself and his right to do so without excessive meddling from the state.
Whom to you think Abe would admire more: John McCain or Barack Obama? Sarah Palin or Joe Biden?
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:34 pmOkaaaaaayyyy … so, you’re saying that you agree with that sentiment?
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:35 pmComment by Juan — 12/17/2008 @ 9:31 pm
Huh? Are you going to make those claims without reasoning?
If so, I would like to make the claim that I shit ice cream. Would you like to eat it? I said it on the board, so it must be true.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:35 pmYou can see Russia from Alaska, however, most easily from Little Diomede Island (Alaska). This little fact, which most people who grew up during the Cold War have heard of, is what Palin was actually talking about. Instead, the entire drug-addled New York literati tittered over Tina Fey’s wholly-manufactured baloney, which was a gross distortion. And I guess you did, too.
Jeez, try another web site.
Official Internet Data Office (dc9153) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:37 pmThere is nothing about the Democratic party of JFK that matches today’s Dems, TMJ. Wow. You really made a profound statement there. The parties are not the exact same today as they were over 140 years ago. SHOCKA
Juan – TMJ has miles to go to reach Levi levels of trolldom. TMJ is a piker in that regard.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:37 pmI actually think the North South thing is an interesting debate in todays world….
The South clearly was within its legal rights and did not do anything illegal … the shots fired on Fort Sumnter was no different that you shoting an intruder in your house who has a gun after you told that intruder not to come in.
Regardless, legal is bullshit without a moral and ethical compass. Religion is helpful in this aspect and clears up wishy washy legal debates.
Anything can be made legal that is an abomination to our Maker …. like abortion or slavery.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:38 pmFrom the wikipedia entry on Abraham Lincoln:
Income taxes, tariffs, controlling cotton trade… yeah, those things are not conservative.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:39 pmOIDO – DSCSA and TMJ are soliders in service of Teh Narrative TM.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:39 pmWhoever told TMJ that wiki is some kind of trusted reliable resource should be drawn and quartered.
To support a standing army, you mendoucheous asshat.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:42 pmThe republican party began as a one issue, anti-slavery party. Somewhere between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights. That is a pretty big change.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:42 pmTruth,
When you go from no regulation or Central Gov.t to Lincoln’s view —– I guess you would call it “Liberal” but again this is a poor comparison and intellectually dishonest.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:42 pmAnd another thing, you can’t see Russia from Wassilla.
— Luckily, nobody EVER (never EVER, nuckfut!!!) said that you can, regardless of how you mangle the spelling of Wasilla.
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:42 pmAt what point do we no longer have to put up with this kind of shit. It is an aggressive mean-spirited lie. You, are a liar.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:45 pmComment by JD — 12/17/2008 @ 9:42 pm
Standing armies are not a conservative principle. I’ll bet you 6 billion dollars that Obama does not disband the army when he takes over in a few short (yippee!!!) weeks.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:45 pmOK, Truth is a moron.
Republicans forgot blacks from 1865 to 1960??????
RU fing me?
It was the Democratic Party in the South who suported Jim Crow, et al.
If history was invented yesterday….. jeez, you are mangling history to make stupid points.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:45 pmIncome tax in a time of war that expried right afterwards. High tarrifs before we were much of a manufacturing power and free trade was not the force that it is today. In terms of a national bank, the Federalists had always been for it since the days of Hamilton. It was Democrats under Jefferson and Jackson that had the bugaboo against it. I’ll leave it to others to decide if the Republicans of 1860 were closer to Federalists or early Democrats.
And controlling the key industry of an occupied enemy during wartime? I suppose there was no precedent for that in history.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:46 pmWhen it becomes untrue, you won’t have to put up with it any longer.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:46 pmIt never takes them long to just start calling people racists.
Apparently, they really do not want to talk about putting another empty suit into a high-profile political office.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:46 pmDemocrats are the party of Jim Crow laws.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:46 pmLuckily, nobody EVER (never EVER, nuckfut!!!) said that you can, regardless of how you mangle the spelling of Wasilla.
Review the tapes. Then ask Tina Fey.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:46 pmThe longer the explanation the more convoluted and untrue it usually is. Tap dancing around these issues to make them fit your view of the world doesn’t make these claims accurate.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:47 pmTruth, you do no favors to your cause by lying.
The Democratic Party is the Party of the KKK, the party of Jim Crow, the party of all that bad stuff you are talking about 1865 to 1960.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:47 pmIt was untrue when you thought it. It was untrue when you typed it, and no matter how many times you repeat it, it will be untrue. History, and the facts, do not bear your version out, nor do any of the Republicans that I know share that view, nor do any of the Republican on this forum share that view.
You are an aggressive mendoucheous liar. Period. And that is on one of your good days. Step away from the bottle, and scurry back under your rock.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:48 pmEvidence: Robert Byrd.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:48 pmAnd here I thought that the Republican belief in freeing African-Americans from welfare slavery was remarkably consistent with the policy of emancipation.
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:49 pmEvidence: LBJ pre 1960.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:49 pmBetween 1860 and 1960, there were only three African-American United States Senators: Hiram Revels (Mississippi), Blanche Brown (Mississippi) and Ed Brooke (Massachusetts). They were also the first three African-American Senators ever. All three were Republicans.
Official Internet Data Office (dc9153) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:49 pmEvidence: G Wallace.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:49 pmTMJ – I will bet you that he cuts the military. Your proposition was silly, even for you.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:50 pmmendoucheous, gotta learn to use that word.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:50 pmAre you honestly making the claim that today’s KKK members would vote Democratic?
http://www.mediamouse.org/features/092608ku_kl.php
So you’re claiming the KKK voted for Obama? Clearly you have no idea what the KKK is.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:51 pmNow, that Post-Reagan many of those “racist” southerners left the party that abandoned them and became Republicans.
No denying that, plenty of Southern Republicans would have been Democrat 40 years ago.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:52 pmThe longer the explanation the more convoluted and untrue it usually is. Tap dancing around these issues to make them fit your view of the world doesn’t make these claims accurate.
And forgoing making cogent arguments for pithy little assertions that amount to nothing does not win debates. I’ll assume you are conceding the field, but you were punching way above your weightclass to begin with.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:52 pmBecause the facts come from SNL. Good Allah.
Bull Conner – Not a Republican.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:52 pmThat isn’t really evidence. In a court room can you say “this is untrue because I said it is untrue”. No….
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:52 pm#77 – I never thought I would meet a Civil War truther on a thread about Caroline Kennedy.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:53 pmSouth Carolina offered to buy Fort Sumter, the Union refused. In response, South Caroline commenced bombardment on 85 “threatening” Union soldiers confined to an island. Yet you believe that Lincoln started the war because it was “convenient.” Inconveniently for Lincoln, the Union had virtually no Army to fight a war and nearly all existing Army officers were from Southern states. Yep, real convenient.
Ick.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:53 pmReview the tapes. Then ask Tina Fey.
— Oh, I see. Tina Fey, pretending to be Sarah Palin, has some significance to the discussion?
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:53 pmTruth, please pay attention, get Ridalin…
U said 1865 to 1960 …… KKK voted Democrat. They would never vote Republican. The Party of Lincoln? GASP!!!!
You can not compare 1980 to 2008 to 1865 and 1960.
A few things have changed, like running water.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:53 pmJVW – It just wanders around throwing punches. Nothing ever really connects, and it looks like a sad punch drunk washed up sack of shit while doing so.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:54 pmtnj – Pwnd again. Assume the position.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:54 pmComment by Da’Shiznit — 12/17/2008 @ 9:52 pm
More than 40.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:54 pmIf you can’t handle more than one participle at a time I can go back to a second-grade level for you.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:55 pmPerfect Sense, the Union was bringing in arms to Sumnter in violation of their promise from Lincoln.
Your portrayal is incorrect. Those 1960 history books lack some important data….. like the letters of the Army Officers talking about smuggling in Arms from the Port of New York with the approval of Lincoln.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:56 pmHa. I have owned you guys tonight. I have come up with links for every claim I have made and you have responded with ‘liar liar pants on fire’. Admit it, Republicans are the party of racists. I am not saying that all republicans are racist.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:56 pmYou said, and I quote …
Your evidence was … drumroll … you unfounded lying assertion of same.
I am the first to defend the trolls because I enjoy playing with them, but this, to me, is over the line, even for a troll, and especially for someone that claims to be a fuckin’ teacher. Take it back and apologize.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:57 pmAdmit it, Republicans are the party of racists. I am not saying that all republicans are racist.
And Democrats are the party of racists. I am not saying that all Democrats are racist.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:58 pmStrom Thurmond never apologized… he just switched parties.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:59 pmAs Sherman said about starting the Civil War:
War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 12/17/2008 @ 9:59 pmPlease provide us with a link that proves this statement …
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:00 pmI am no fan of the South but frankly they were baited all the way into the War.
Lincoln started a War of Convenience.
Why do you think Lincoln had such problems getting his Generals to fight?
Why do you think their where riots in Northern Cities to going to war and to conscription and taxes?
Lincoln was no sweetie.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:00 pmtnj – Did you provide more than one link on this thread, I forget?
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:00 pmPleae provide a link that proves this assertion.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:00 pmWhat the hell is this again?
Strom Thurmond ran for President in 1948 on the States’ Rights party ticket (also known as the “Dixiecrats”) and had been a racist Democrat his whole life until 1964, when he decided that the socialist creeps in the Democratic party were even worse to hang around with than the racist Democrats he’d been associated with before them. Governor George Wallace was a Democrat! Senator Theodore Bilbo was a Democrat! Governor Orval Faubus, whose schools Eisenhower had to desegregate, was a Democrat! The guy who argued in the Supreme Court for segregation in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas was a Democrat, and his name was John W. Davis–and he had been the Democratic presidential nominee in 1924! (He lost to Coolidge.) Senator Robert Byrd is a Democrat but he was once a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan.
Official Internet Data Office (dc9153) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:01 pmWell the Democratic party is the party of Pedophiles. Not saying all Pedophiles are Democrats but most are.
Democratic Party is also the Party of Welfare Slackers. Not saying ….
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:01 pmGrand Kleagle Byrd never even bothered to switch parties.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:01 pmStrom Thurmond never apologized… he just switched parties.
And became the first Southern Senator to hire an African-American staff member — before William Fullbright, before Al Gore, Sr., before any other progressive hero.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:01 pmOK Perfect Sense,
I guess you still think the Spanish started the Spanish American War too?
Again, my 1960 Social Studies Text books are anything but accurate.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:02 pm“Ha. I have owned you guys tonight. I have come up with links for every claim I have made and you have responded with ‘liar liar pants on fire’. Admit it, Republicans are the party of racists. I am not saying that all republicans are racist.”
The above sounds like a typical Levi declaration of victory. Completely divorced from reality.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:02 pmPlease provide us with a link that proves this statement …
Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky books don’t count.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:03 pmdaleyrocks – TMJ is having imaginary debates with the voices in his head, and in that dimension, he is kicking ass and taking names. On here, not so much, unless you count a link to wiki as being definitive that Lincoln’s Christianity was in question.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:04 pmhttp://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_Party_Civil_Rights.htm
There is the current record of Republicans on civil rights. I wouldn’t say it is a banner record…
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:05 pmWe can add this quote to the ever-growing TMJ’s Greatest Hits, so when it has the temerity to claim it just wants to have a meaningful discussion about an issue …
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:06 pmtnr, i did provide more than assertions. i posted an argument. premises and a conclusion. you did not respond and opted to talk cuss at me. good for you… what a small person. next time… try using reasoning instead of insults. Lincoln is very similar to the latest Republican president. Not identical, but close. A LOT closer than JFK is to Obama.
and I forgot about Levi. I don’t know that you are that bad, but you are completely devoid of reasoning, so it doesn’t matter anyway.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:06 pmLet me tell you how bad Fort Sumter was to the North…..
The only casualties where 4 guys whose Canon back fired.
The South literally inflicted no casualties.
Wow, what an act of war.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:06 pmComment by JD — 12/17/2008 @ 10:04 pm
It may have even been last night or the night before one of the cronies on here used wikipedia to establish one of his points. I specifically remember bringing it up because you guys won’t consider anything accurate unless it is written by Karl Rove’s fluffer.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:07 pmRemind me: Which party is the one that absolutely, positively, CANNOT SHUT THE FUCK UP about classifying people into groups separated by race and/or gender? Which party is the one that is constantly prepared to immediately play the discrimination card if — God forbid — a woman or a minority is criticized or deemed imcompetent based on performance alone? Which party gives pure lip service to the idea of getting people off of welfare, and COUNTS ON playing the fear card, as Obama so shamelessly did this year when he proclaimed that the government has failed lower-income citizens since the day Jimmy Carter left office?
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:07 pmComment by Juan — 12/17/2008 @ 10:06 pm
Not even close, man, not even close. If JFK hadn’t been president then Obama would still have to use different drinking fountains in the Deep Red states.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:08 pmDamn you, JD. I went and clicked on his link, and found out that when TMJ wants to prove that Republicans are racists, and believe that Afrian Americans are not deserving of basic human rights, you can prove that point by linking to an article that talks about
1) The Patriot Act is used to track terrorist activity
2) Homosexuality is incompatible with military service
3) Support the advancement of women in the military
I quit reading there … but if the rest of the link was as informative as its lead, I am sure it was quite a doozie.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:10 pmComment by Icy Texan — 12/17/2008 @ 10:07 pm
Which party uses abortion to divide the public in order to garner votes?
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:10 pm1) Completely ignoring basic privacy rights of the citizens
2) Um… this is self-explanatory
3) But not in combat positions
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:12 pmit was JFK alone who desegregated the USA!!!
You learn something every day.
It was democrats who founded the KKK and thought up segregation, and it was Republicans who stopped them. That’s a fact. Democrats helped too, but republicans like MLK jr led the way.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:12 pmTMJ – From now on, don’t even bother with the links. You are just pulling shit out of your ass and embarassing yourself.
Oh, dear Lord.
We shall bear any burden, pay any price … cut taxes. Strong on defense. The only thing similar about JFK and Baracky is that they had cultist followings, were charismatic, and they ran as Dems. The similarities end there.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:14 pmNot even close, man, not even close. If JFK hadn’t been president then Obama would still have to use different drinking fountains in the Deep Red states.
Utah and Wyoming? Or Virginia and North Carolina — two states that went for Dear Leader.
Eisenhower did a whole hell of a lot more for integration that JFK ever did. Just watch “Eyes on the Prize” and contrast Ike’s handling of Little Rock with JFK’s handling of Oxford, MS if you don’t believe me.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:14 pmand just lool… another patterico thread completely derailed from the topic… another TNR sockpuppet being ridiculously wrong about a completely off topic point… goading everone into repeatedly pointing out how off he is.
TNR knows he’s wrong, but will continue to assert the absurd and offtopic in every thread he can. It’s an effective tactic for throwing the comments on this blog off the topic at hand.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:15 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101801754.html
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:16 pmWe have learned one thing tonite – The trolls are even embarassed that this Kennedy may be given a Senate seat, because they are doing their damndest to avoid that topic.
How does that prove that Somewhere between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights.
How does that prove that Somewhere between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights.
How does that prove that Somewhere between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights.
This is pathetic, even for you. I truly pity your students.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:17 pmActually I don’t “know I’m wrong”. I am using supporting evidence for my claims and you all are not.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:18 pmJunior Detective. Don’t. They are smarter and much more well-adjusted than you will ever be.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:19 pmI hope you are sober when you show up to work in the morning.
I am going to refer you back to comment #164, you lying asshat. You have yet to support this specious claim with anything that remotely comes close to evidence.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:23 pmhttp://books.google.com/books?id=T2eM6_ON2HkC&pg=PA7&sig=JvknvIUC1WIkuBBtSwXBZPxC-UI&dq=fort+sumter+attack+%22December,+1860%22+%22Fort+Sumter+had+fixed+the+attention+of+the+Northern+mind+by+an+occurrence+in+December,+1860.+%22#PPA11,M1
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:23 pmActually I don’t “know I’m wrong”.
The list of things that you don’t know is likely endless.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:24 pmyou lying asshat
Ha.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:24 pmCaroline Kennedy is as experienced as Obama, and she’s just going to be a puppet like Obama, so NY won’t be served well by her, but who cares…
TNR has ignored all the arguments in here he disagrees with to the point where no one in here has provided any reasoning except for him, even though his are the only grandiose conclusions here.
Does anyone want to argue that he’s not aware he’s wrong and using his absurdity to goad the topic off Caroline Kennedy?
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:24 pmInteresting to those who like history.
I had read various accounts similar to this books including the letters by the Major of Sumter.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:25 pmWhich party uses abortion to divide the public in order to garner votes?
— How do you garner votes by alienating half of the electorate? Hmm, maybe they’re actually standing on a principle they really believe in. It is understandable that a liberal might not recognize such a concept.
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:25 pmis that pronounced azzz-shat?
ash-at?
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:25 pmTNJ is a Prof?
Gym?
ROTFLMAO!
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:26 pmComment by Icy Texan — 12/17/2008 @ 10:25 pm
You really are clueless. They use the issue to garner votes from a religious electorate that would be better off financially speaking to vote democratic. ID-10-T certification, complete!
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:26 pmIt is pronounced “the Internet is not as anonymous as you think”
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:26 pmOMG ROLFLMAO LOL!!!!! 🙂 😉 😛
Are you a 13 year old girl?
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:27 pmHa. Now shit-nit-whit is threatening me, for realz?
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:28 pmNo but you are certainly a intellectual lightweight.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:28 pmJD, he will never “know” that he’s wrong.
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:29 pmNo Truth, point is if you are a Professor you should not be on websites. It can get you fired.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:29 pmda, truth is a student who pretends to teach. likely nothing TNR says is accurate and he was banned here and picked up a sockpuppet name. he’s genuinely obsessed with this site, and I can’t recall him ever staying on topic. Why come into every thread with absurd revelations that are off topic?
Oh well. Bush did a terrible job in the PR department and the nation was mad enough to elect ‘change’ (as vague as that is). Now TNR thinks that means he’s won something. He also thinks if JFK hadn’t been president, segregation would exist today. He’s sooper smart.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:30 pmYou still haven’t really come up with any substantial to disprove anything I have said… so how could I “know I’m wrong”.
truthnjustice (c313be) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:31 pmBut seriously TNJ — you can insult me anytime. I don’t take the mentally retarded personally.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:32 pmTNJ is a killer. He fabricates then says they are the truth.
Yes, TNJ from 1865 to 1960 your precious Democratic Party was the Party of Jim Crow and Racism.
Must be another mediocre College Prof I laugh at. Just pissed they can’t make money in the real world.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:34 pmTNJ complained that I was nasty to him. He was so hurt he came into a thread I had never types a letter into and posted a comment I wrote about how I thought democrats who conditioned funding the war on withdrawal as sleazy (and made no comment about any poster here).
He’s clearly extremely thin skinned to have saved my comments and brought them into a threae’s also pretty stupid not to realize I was tad I wasn’t writing in to complain about me. Hlking about Congresspersons and not anyone at Patterico.
What’s most amusing is that he feels aggrieved and abused so easily and so deeply, but has no problem hysterically and poorly insulting everyone here like Andrew Sullivan’s angry little doggy yelping at a firetruck.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:36 pmmy apologies for my rampant typos!
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:37 pmI felt like fixing my comment…
TNJ complained that I was “nasty” to him. He was so hurt he came into a thread I had never typed a letter into and posted a comment I wrote about how I thought democrats who conditioned funding the war on withdrawal were sleazy (I made no comment about any poster here).
He’s clearly extremely thin skinned to have saved my comments and brought them into a thread I wasn’t involved with to complain about me.
What’s most amusing is that he feels aggrieved and abused so easily and so deeply, but has no problem hysterically and poorly insulting everyone here like Andrew Sullivan’s angry little doggy yelping at a firetruck.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:40 pmAnother vapid BS Dem meme … You will be so much better off, Icy Texan, once Baracky takes even more of the money that you have earned and gives it to someone else. Don’t you get it?
You have still failed (miserably and in quite a pathetic manner, I might add) to support your assertion/lie that Somewhere between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:41 pmMost talking points never become THE TRUTH, no matter how endlessly they are repeated. The implication that Republicans use the issue of abortion mainly to garner votes, and therefore do not necessarily believe in their position in a heartfelt way, is something that has no factual support behind it. Each party has a handful of issues that they emphasize during an election cycle.
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:43 pmIcy – Facts are not required for Teh Narrative TM.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:49 pm“… use the issue of abortion mainly to garner votes…”
I guess this person has never heard of NARAL, or EMILY’s LIST, or NOW; who definitely use the issue of abortion mainly to garner votes, for Democrats.
Another Drew (bc69ec) — 12/17/2008 @ 10:51 pmwhy would it be wrong to use abortion to garner votes anyway? This is what democracy looks like. Even if just a window into character, it’s worth seeing a candidate explain their views on abortion.
They have to learn temperance. That’s why Hillary notes that abortions are sad and should be rare, and why all but the rare permit abortion for rape. Caroline Kennedy has never had to learn this temperance as a real politician has, so she is going to provide a lot of funny gaffes like Obama seems to. Which is a good thing.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:03 pm#125 – Yes, it does.
DCSCA (d8da01) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:36 pmBrilliant!
What pray tell, is the significance of Tina Fey, in a parody of Sarah Palin, saying “I can see Russia from my house”?
[Keeping in mind, of course, that it was a parody, and that Palin NEVER said that line in real life.]
Icy Texan (b7d162) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:43 pmdcsca, you would be better served by explaining your extreme and difficult to comprehend point of view than just saying “yes, it does”
It is accurate that you can see Russia from a few parts of Alaska. It is accurate that Palin was speaking figuratively and not literally about the stone’s throw distance between her state and the USA’s classic malefactor when describing her interest, as Governor, in USAF activities in Alaska.
The fact that her statement was taken out of context or even mostly fabricated by Tina Fey means very little to me.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/17/2008 @ 11:45 pm“I’m curious why Bloomberg would go to bat for Caroline Kennedy.”
Because Bloomberg’s a RINO, nanny state liberal jack@ss. (He’s my mayor, I voted for him TWICE, so I can say that.)
RickZ (06fa85) — 12/18/2008 @ 2:17 amWell, lets start out with the fact that Gov. Patterson is not going to name a Republican to the U.S. Senate, and the fact that Bloomberg has already tinkered with the city’s term limits law to allow himself to run for another four years in office.
I’d say, given his history of running in the circles of the wealthy social elites in New York City, Bloomberg feels a lot more comfortable with Caroline Kennedy than he would with any of the other Democrats who could be named to the position (and really, when you look at the motley crew of potential options, it’s not like there’s a Daniel Patrick Moynihan out there waiting to be chosen). Plus, while Bloomberg is more of a Democrat than he ever was a Republican, he’s also got a humongous ego and the money to be uncontrollable by the NYS Democratic power brokers. That doesn’t mean he won’t be simpatico with them at least two-thirds of the time, but folks like Chuckie Schumer or Sheldon Silver would much rather have a mayor who they can leverage better than Bloomy, and having a hack in New York’s other Senate seat who was more likely to back an in-house Democrat in next November’s mayoral election is a safer bet than Caroline, who as a Kennedy, can pretty much do as she pleases and not get touched because of the media’s orgasm over all things related to her family.
That doesn’t mean she’s going to be a good senator — Caroline could end up with a voting record to the left of Teddy. But Bloomberg’s betting she’s be a better ally for him, and even though he’s pretty much a liberal, his fortune does depend on the continuation of market capitalism in New York.
John (692c5c) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:48 am“republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights.”
HAHA!! Why don’t you give it up junior and buy yourself an elementary school history book, you colossal freaking moron of the lowest lowest order.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:18 amWow. Quite the evening. It’s by guess that the two trolls is the same person, and has another name in the past.
It was also drinking while posting last night.
Ah, but morning is here…as is its hangover.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:23 amThat was a nice example of mangled syntax on my part. I meant to write that I believe that the two trolls last night are in fact the same person. I also believe that this troll has been here before under another name.
But it was Troll’s Night Out!
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:24 amWill everyone ignore TNJ? He’s terminally stupid and can’t help himself.
PCD (7fe637) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:48 amPCD, it would help a lot of folks did ignore him, but he’ll just pick another moniker.
There’s no way he didn’t realize that he was wrong. Not only was the evidence presented compelling, but he kept upping the ante on his claims. He knew that someone would be unable to resist if he kept claiming easily refutable points. And thus, this thread isn’t about Caroline Kennedy, it’s about whether Republicans have always been racist. Similarly, most threads he enters, whether with this moniker or another, are not about whatever the post author discussed.
Why? I have no idea. Often the trolling steers the topic to one covered that day on this blog. I guess general disarray is the goal. But it’s not like anything can be done about it. There is no way to stop someone (often me) from resisting the urge to correct an obvious lie.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:54 amAnd somewhat Curious Georgesque.
I think Urkel is more appropriate.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:57 amTMJ is still displaying his utter ignorance of history? Wow.
SPQR (72771e) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:57 amI don’t know why anyone bothers to engage it anymore – after being completely disembowled via it’s own words by DRJ, it ignored the continual humiliations and continued on, unfettered by problematic things like facts and reason. Reminds one of the scene in Python’s “The Holy Grail,” where Arthur duels with The Black Knight:
A short battle ensues, where Arthur, relatively unencumbered by armor, easily
dodges the slow and heavy strikes by the black knight. Finally, Arthur
dodges a strike, steps aside, and cuts the black knight’s left arm off with
his sword. Blood spurts from the knight’s open shoulder.
Arthur: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
Black Knight: ‘Tis but a scratch.
Arthur: A SCRATCH? Your arm’s off!
Black Knight: No it isn’t!
Arthur: Well what’s that then? (pointing to the arm lying on the ground)
Black Knight: I’ve had worse.
Arthur: You LIAR!
Black Knight: Come on, you pansy!
There follows an even shorter foray, at the end of which Arthur easily cuts
off the black knight’s right arm, causing it and the black knight’s sword to
drop to the ground. Blood spatters freely from the stump.
Arthur: Victory is mine!
(kneeling, praying) We thank thee Lord, that in thy mercy–
He is kicked onto his side by the black knight.
Black Knight: Come on, then! (kicks Arthur again)
Arthur: (on the ground) What?!?
Black Knight: (kicking him again) Have at you!
Arthur: (getting up) You are indeed brave, sir knight, but the fight
is mine!
Black Knight: Ohhh, had enough, eh?
Arthur: Look, you stupid bastard, you’ve got no arms left!
Black Knight: Yes I have!
Arthur: LOOK!!!
Black Knight: Just a flesh wound! (kicking Arthur again)
Arthur: Look, STOP that!
Black Knight: Chicken!!! Chicken!!!!!!!
Arthur: Look, I’ll have your leg!
(The Black Knight continues his kicking)
Arthur: RIGHT! (He chops off the black knight’s leg with his sword)
Black Knight: (hopping) Right! I’ll do you for that!
Arthur: You’ll *WHAT*?
Black Knight: Come ‘ere!
Arthur: (tiring of this) What’re you going to do, bleed on me?
Black Knight: I’m *INVINCIBLE*!!!
Arthur: You’re a looney….
Black Knight: The Black Knight ALWAYS TRIUMPHS! Have at you!!
(hopping around, trying to kick Arthur with his one remaining
leg)
Arthur shrugs his shoulders and, with a mighty swing, removes the Black
Knight’s last limb. The Knight falls to the ground. He looks about,
realizing he can’t move.
Black Knight: Okay, we’ll call it a draw.
Arthur rides off
Black Knight: (calling after them) Oh! Had enough, eh? Come back and take
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:08 amwhat’s coming to you, you yellow bastards!! Come back here and
take what’s coming to you! I’ll bite your legs off!
I really do think that there are far, far fewer separate trolls on this site than we might expect. I believe that n = 2 or so.
It’s all about stirring people up. Probably because of the deficits in that person’s life—they get to, again, Speak Troof to Powder here and feel strong and righteous.
The truth is somewhat different.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:13 am…or perhaps they’ve run out of hand lotion again.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:22 am…or neglected to empty the litter box, leading to mom threatening to take their internet privileges away.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:25 amPeople who think that pointing out that Abraham Lincoln was not a conservative is significant and earthshaking are doing nothing but displaying their own ignorance of history. It shows a fundamental failure to comprehend basic American political history.
SPQR (72771e) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:28 amWe’ve been lurching back and forth on-topic and off, but here is an interesting tidbit about Ms. Kennedy’s [Schlossberg’s] “listening tour” upstate.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:17 amSo I read all of the stuff posted since my absence and there was nothing besides ‘he doesnt understand basic political history’ and ‘hes wrong’ and so on and so on. Well, still no clear evidence. As I say to my students: You guys did not use your time wisely. Tsk Tsk.
Comment by Juan — 12/17/2008 @ 11:03 pm
The abortion issue is quite interesting. On one hand you have a party that has recently amended its platform so as to include the goal of reducing the numbers of abortions through help to young mothers, adoption, etc. The other party is unyieldingly against it, and wishes to abandon young mothers as soon as they give birth. I honestly don’t think those behind the scenes in the GOP wish abortion to be illegal, because they would no longer have the issue to groan over to receive votes. The party would be totally screwed if Roe v. Wade was overturned.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:20 amAnd tnj again lurches off-topic with a particularly daft troll-ish comment.
JVW (bff0a4) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:33 amOf course, when this supposed teacher writes:
There is a level of humor all its own.
This reminds me of those ELIZA “bot-programs.” But this is a TrollBot 6000.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:38 amAre you suggesting that Countess Caroline Kennedy von Schlossberg [the real topic of this thread] is against abortion, just like her Daddy was?
Official Internet Data Office (01744f) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:44 amEB…You give our trolls too much credit for intelligence with labels like “Trollbot 6000”.
Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:45 amNo self-respecting AI designer would design something that demonstrated such a complete lack of logic and reasoning as we witness here hourly.
OIDO: quite right. I don’t like dynasties in politics (and that includes the Bushes, even though I rather like Jeb Bush’s record in Florida). The entitlement issue is important. There are MANY more qualified folks in NY who could be appointed to the Senate seat that HRC is vacating.
But we are all caught up in “feelings, not facts” again. Sad.
AD: some of those “bot programs” are very, very simple. They are designed to search for key words and give pre-programmed responses. Bot programs very quickly stop making sense (to borrow from David Byrne). Sound familiar?
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:49 am“liesntyranny”, where are you?
Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:52 amand, so many more who have come and gone (and not all willingly, but gone nonetheless).
He had to “reboot.”
Cue Dmac’s comments about hand lotion.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:11 amIt is a wonder that he is able to accomplish anything, considering where he keeps his head.
Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:13 amCaroline Kennedy for Senator from NY??? What’s next, Tina Fey for VP of the USA?
Ropelight (5b609a) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:25 amWhy not? Fey is just as qualified to be Senator as Caroline Kennedy, Mistress of Toast Ownership.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:31 amWell, still no clear evidence.
The Black Knight bravely fights on, despite having been pantsed, given a swirly in the little boy’s bathroom, and finally having been disembowled.
As I say to my students:
The Black Knight is actually referring to figments that he talks to in his basement. Be very afraid.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 2:47 pmDmac: stick to the topics. While we know that you can’t actually talk about issues with any sort of relevent knowledge, it is still better than your basement fantasies. By the way, keep me out of your fantasies.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 3:26 pmWhoops, Dmac.
I see that there is still some PP going on there! I would file a restraining order.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 3:29 pmAlright, TMJ. Explain to us why Caroline Schlossberg should be the next US Senator from New York, you lying hack.
JD (7f8e8c) — 12/18/2008 @ 3:36 pmBreaking headline on DRUDGE: Sharpton takes Caroline Kennedy to lunch in Harlem.
[Subhead: “Women and Minorities Hit Hardest!”]
Official Internet Data Office (01744f) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:00 pmThe Reigning Princess of Douchedom who once stated:
“Somewhere between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided that African-Americans were no longer deserving of basic human rights.”
has the balls (metaphoric obviously) to say:
“you can’t actually talk about issues with any sort of relevent knowledge”
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:29 pmKlompus, I remember that moment. It was just after Lincoln freed the slaves and commented, “them guys are freed, sure, but they aren’t deserving of human rights, no matter what the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments say.”
steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:32 pmYeah I guess Thaddeus Stevens and Charles Sumner were actually Radical Democrats too.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:35 pmFacts are like kryptonite to this TMJ character.
steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 4:36 pmC’mon folks: he is a teacher of science, after all!
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:07 pmIs that like Speaker to Animals?
steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:10 pmBy the way, keep me out of your fantasies.
The Black Night is a master of projection, but that image doth creepeth me out.
Dmac: stick to the topics.
The Black Knight, being shorn of any useful appendages as well as a working cranial cavity, does not understand what this statement actually entails. It most likely read something about it on the placemat it was coloring at the local Chuck E. Cheese.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:40 pmIs that like Speaker to Animals?
Nay, it is more like Buggarer of Animals.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:41 pmHe is a follower among sheep.
Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:54 pmLEARN A NEW WORD.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 5:57 pmTNJ, just for telling someone to learn a new word you are projecting. You have maintained the same basic lack of argument or coherence to the topic in the same silly attempt to keep the topic off Caroline Kennedy. If anyone is being mundane, it’s you. But thanks for making Patterico much more lively. It’s a bit pathetic, as you’re basically just a pointless ‘I am right… YOU LOSE… I am just going to pretend you didn’t have an argument’ diatribe, over and over, but even a punching bag is a lot better than a bunch of conservatives who agree with one another.
You know, I am impressed with your ability to derail threads. I think you have planned out and executed a plan of absurdly stupid points that drive rational folks crazy. I suspect you would actually have some great points if you tried to argue that Bloomberg should advocate for Kennedy. Of course, that wouldn’t be an effective way to instill an element of chaos into the thread, which is all you want to do. The interesting thing is that it’s apparent to all of us that we bug you (without even trying to) a lot more than you bug us after your herculean efforts.
Let me ask you a sincere question: why us? What is going on in your life right now that screwing with a bunch of relatively nice people (who lean to the right) is worth so much of your life? You’re sitting, no doubt alone, probably unemployed (don’t pretend you actually teach with your apparent lack of patience and curiosity), and the ONLY mark on the world you have left today is a caricature of an idiot liberal trolling a fairly obscure blog (I don’t think you are nearly as stupid as you pretend you are).
You know damn well it hurts to do basically nothing worthwhile, so why not channel your efforts? You’re really good at screwing up threads, so why not realize that the internet is HUGE and there are many threads worth disrupting! There are monsters out there, on stormfront.com or Al Qaida oriented sites, with forums that an intelligent troll like you could have much more honorable fun with. You would still be a bit silly to do it, but you would fall asleep knowing that you wasted at least a bit of time of genuinely illiberal bastards.
So why did you choose us? I am sincerely curious.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:09 pmI think Caroline Kennedy is destined to replace somebody. It might as well be Hillary.
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:19 pmI wound up here when the site was linked from an article I was reading. It caught my interest because I thought ‘whoa, nobody can actually believe this’. When I started reading through some of the posts it cut close to home. I have been reading a lot of literature about policies and the reasoning behind them, and I was really shocked at some of the opinions voiced on the site.
Perhaps I should not have told you what my profession is. Somehow being a teacher allows you to throw all types of insults and disrespectful language at me, while anything I post is somehow held to a higher standard than you would hold yourselves.
I am just surprised at the lack of big picture thinking out of some of the people on here. I can’t imagine seeing the world in complete black and white, in which things like tax policy (or rolling taxes back to the days of Clinton or even Reagan) is somehow evil. Seems like over-reaction to me.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:22 pmSeriously? You’re a teacher?
If so, you are again reminding me why we made the decision to home-school.
Lazy thinking and tired cliches. Over and over again, and no real concept of facts and research. Why make my kids go through that, when for far less money they could learn to think for themselves?
I would like to salute you as the person who contributes the most to encouraging parents to remove their kids from the parrot cage of public education.
steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:25 pmSeriously, TNJ? That’s your response? I was legitimately respecting your work ethic at screwing up all the threads, and you are crying that I don’t respect teacher?
Dude, get back to work. Screwing up threads. You can’t possibly expect me to feel sorry for what we both know is a fake persona.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:25 pmWhooo-an:
Huh? Now you’ve lost me. What do you do for a living? Are you willing to share?
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:28 pmHahahahah. That is a good way to raise a (not) well-adjusted kid.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:33 pmI am an orphan who scavenges for rusty spoons that I recycle to get money to feed my dying mother. I also am a teacher, but I am never tired when off work, which explains why I am on the internet trolling all the time. I also am a country music singer, but all my sad songs are true. Mylee Cyrus dumped me and thinks my tractor is extremely unattractive.
In all seriousness, I am pixels on your screen. Language is a lie and I am, in your world, only the strength of my ideas as well as I can present them.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:34 pmExactly. Don’t rip my profession if you’re not willing to divulge that information about yourself.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:37 pmJVW, it’s worth noting that the last appointed Senator in California was defeated handily when he ran for election two years later; and his opponent was somebody with a primarily local profile (at the time).
Nate Silver has done some analysis which suggests that appointed Senators, in general, are bad bets for re-election. I think some of his data is dubious, as it goes back far enough in time to be of questionable modern relevance, but I think the point is still probably valid.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:38 pmWell, I have noted several times on this blog that I am an attorney. I work in Oregon, having recently graduated law school.
But in your world, I am only pixels on a screen and my persona could be completely fake and is totally irrelevant to my ideas. That’s the meaning behind the ad hominem / appeal to authority objections.
And you are not a teacher. I would eat my own head if you somehow demonstrated you were one. You are a very talented troll, and you don’t become that overnight. You cannot be a teacher given your posting habits / intelligence level (I think you’re very smart, but your comments are cleverly idiotic). You are almost certainly a bored university student between semesters.
And I again note that I legitimately think you could do so much more good screwing with the illiberal bastards on stormfront.org or a terrorist support thread. I was expecting you to pretend I was wrong about you, which you did, but I had a small hope you would admit you are a great troll and screw with us because you simply can’t stand the idiots on neo nazi sites, and screwing with people who are intelligent enough to put a lot of effort into refuting your hilarious comments is more stimulating.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:44 pmI don’t think TMJ is talented. I do think TMJ is a troll, and perfect example of a failed teacher.
But, the Internet is still free – for a while longer, until the Democrats bring back the so-called “Fairness Doctrine.”
steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:46 pmPerhaps TMJ only gets to be on the Internet during certain times, when his mother’s at home.
steve miller (a29984) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:49 pm“Hahahahah. That is a good way to raise a (not) well-adjusted kid.”
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:53 pmAnd you of course have evidence of this juvenile assertion, I assume. Perhaps from the same source that includes the evidence that between 1860 and 1960 republicans decided African-Americans don’t deserve basic human rights?
Steve Miller, you don’t think he’s talented? It’s just a matter of what he’s aiming to do.
If he’s aiming to prove all us wrong, then obviously he is doing a terrible job… hell, he’s doing a stupefyingly poor job. But if he’s just trying to derail as many threads as possible and troll for as many and as detailed responses as possible, he’s extremely effective. Posting an intelligent comment leads to productive discussion. Posting an inane comment that is completely irrelevant and then defending it Quixotically is a terrific tactic for veering a thread.
Look over this thread. TNJ had complete control over it and is the center of attention throughout. If that was his goal, he did well. I argue there is no way his comments could come sincerely from a rational being.
that this level of absurdity is plausibly from a teacher is indeed an argument against the teaching profession. He may be subtly mocking teachers as well as trolling us.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:55 pmNotice also the cheap jab at homeschooling families to show how obviously insecure he is at his alleged profession.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:56 pm“Hahahahah. That is a good way to raise a (not) well-adjusted kid.”
Gosh, and to think my well-adjusted, happy homeschooled kid recently graduated from UCLA…wish I would have known that I would be screwing her up before we made this choice. Love makes parents do crazy things, no?
Dana (79a78b) — 12/18/2008 @ 6:58 pmOne silly jab at home schooling and look at how many intelligent replies he garnered. The topic has been changed by TNJ once more.
That’s impressive.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:02 pmDana: I have no way of verifying that.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:06 pmComment by Jack Klompus — 12/18/2008 @ 6:56 pm
Notice you haven’t supplied us with information on your wife, children, profession, etc. Why not give me that info?
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:07 pmTNJ disputes that a homeschooled kid graduated from UCLA. It’s not like that probably happens hundreds of times a year.
East to refute, pointless, and followed immediately by a completely contadictory demand for Jack’s family dossier.
Does he need only verifiable data or does he trust us? It doesn’t matter.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:12 pmAs I suggested before, why don’t you call the AP and the New York Times when you ever touch a woman intimately in your life so they can splash a headline taller than the day after the moon landing. Incidents that required a cash transaction beforehand don’t count.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:12 pmJoKer: Huh? What does that have to do with Caroline Kennedy. I thought that we, above all else, are trying to keep this thread on topic.
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:14 pmOh, I get it, Joker has a J and a K in it! Jack, you have to admit he’s got you with that one.
And somebody still believes these are the sincere thoughts of a person who just can’t figure out how to convince us that the GOP denies human rights to all black people and Dana’s kid didn’t graduate from UCLA? Seriously?
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:17 pmI’ve decided to argue in a similar manner. I assert that he cannot prove that he has had intimate relationships with beings other than paid professionals. I believe that assertion has as much if not more merit than the juvenile dismissal of home schooled students as maladjusted.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:19 pmI thought that we, above all else, are trying to keep this thread on topic.
You won that battle, and I complimented you on your win, such as it is anyway. There is nothing that could salvage this thread, so we might as well discuss what happened to it.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:20 pmI didn’t say that Dana’s kid didn’t graduate from UCLA. Seriously, I didn’t. Check the record.
*waiting for you to check the record*
See? Dumb@ss.
Seriously.
What does this have to do with Caroline Kennedy?
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:20 pmHilarious. The douchetool shows up halfway through the thread, doesn’t post one single comment on topic, gets his puny little punk ass handed to him repeatedly, and then gets mad because other posters are off topic. What a freakin’ clown.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:25 pmI’m not mad.
What does that have to do with Caroline Kennedy?
truthnjustice (d99227) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:27 pmOK, you’re getting a little boring, TNJ.
I could reply that Dana made an assertion and you noted you could not possibly verify it, which obviously is disputing her accuracy… but you wouldn’t have asserted that you didn’t if you didn’t know that you did. You don’t say things that can’t be proven false. It’s a great shtick, but you don’t want to be a bore about it.
You were claiming the ENTIRE GRAND OLD PARTY HATES BLACK PEOPLE. You were like Kanye-zilla. Now we’re talking about whether or not you asked for proof someone’s kid graduated?
You can’t be having as much doing that as you had sliming the entire GOP. Snore!
Juan (4cdfb7) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:27 pmOn what authority does tnj talk about anything? You’re a teacher?? You post links to some hub site with fifth grade level essays that feature:
“The Republican Party started in 1854. It was a one-issue party, and that issue was anti-slavery.”
And then later you type without sourcing:
“The republican party began as a one issue, anti-slavery party.”
as if you speak with any knowledge other than what you read one second on some webpage and then immediately paste it up and alter a word or two to make it seem like you know something. You’re like a plagiarizing high school child.
Jack Klompus (b0e238) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:32 pmYou’re sitting, no doubt alone, probably unemployed
You forgot the part about the hand lotion.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:53 pmLEARN A NEW WORD.
Sure – EMOTIONAL TRANSFERENCE.
Dmac (e30284) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:54 pmhe cannot prove that he has had intimate relationships with beings other than paid professionals.
That could be a psychiatrist, not just a hooker.
Vermont Neighbor (de46bd) — 12/18/2008 @ 7:57 pmIntimate to him, anyway.
Juan, you are correct: everything about this character screams self-indulgent trustifarian sophomore, angry at his poor performance on exams.
It’s all a game here, so he feels strong and powerful. Notice the refusal to demonstrate his mastery of physics before (“...I won’t write term papers for you people…“) while demanding other people reveal their own bona fides. Mind you, I don’t care. I am pretty sure he is a student, just as you have stated.
As I say, typical trolling. And I am also fairly convinced that this person is a troll with whom we have all dealt before.
But my favorite part, after his complaining that people use the word “projection” to describe his posts too often, is this complaint:
Yet another example of that word he loathes.
The exchanges today remind me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xJ51U_qlFk&feature=related
It’s the best description of what is going on. Other than Dmac’s comments about hand lotion, that is.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:36 pmActually, a bottle of lotion fits in Levi’s pockets. IYKWIM.
Vermont Neighbor (de46bd) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:42 pmVermont Neighbor, I have suspected as much. Look at the other thread. It’s the usual MO.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 8:45 pmI know. It sends a chrissy- shiver up the leg.
Vermont Neighbor (de46bd) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:00 pmIf all else fails, one could just ignore the interruptions.
Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:30 pmTru dat, AD, as the hipcats say.
Eric Blair (e906af) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:33 pmAs to the Golden Child, if Paterson appoints her to the Senate, a lot of Dems who have been slaving in the trenches are going to be very pissed.
Another Drew (b7b852) — 12/18/2008 @ 9:39 pmJust think of Nita Lowey, who watched Hillary come in and scoop up the seat she had been looking forward to for years; and now, another jane-come-lately arrives.
Well, it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of thieves.
Bloomberg likes dynasties, he’d like to start one himself.
Ken Hahn (c65faf) — 12/18/2008 @ 10:37 pmIt requires cooperation to derail a thread; suppose we agree to treat TMJ as static on a radio & not to be answered?
steve miller (ba86f8) — 12/19/2008 @ 7:45 am