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	<title>Comments on: L.A Times Falsely Tells Readers That Democrats Didn&#8217;t Have the 10 Republican Votes Necessary to Pass the Auto Industry Bailout</title>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Steyn had a great point on NRO &lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODJjMzZhYTEzMDNmNjUzMmM3ZTk1MmRiNmNjMTg0MDE=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

His point was that we&#039;ve already seen what happens when government bails out automakers under the pretense of &quot;saving&quot; jobs - in Britain.  And it was a failure that did nothing but damage the value of the car brands in question.  Turning them into jokes.  Chap 11 is really the best alternative for everyone in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Steyn had a great point on NRO <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODJjMzZhYTEzMDNmNjUzMmM3ZTk1MmRiNmNjMTg0MDE=" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>His point was that we&#8217;ve already seen what happens when government bails out automakers under the pretense of &#8220;saving&#8221; jobs &#8211; in Britain.  And it was a failure that did nothing but damage the value of the car brands in question.  Turning them into jokes.  Chap 11 is really the best alternative for everyone in the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense Political Thought</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/13/la-times-falsely-tells-readers-that-democrats-didnt-have-the-10-republican-votes-necessary-to-pass-the-auto-industry-bailout/comment-page-2/#comment-435342</link>
		<dc:creator>Common Sense Political Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Eighteenth century technology, part 5: Rob Kall&#8217;s solution...&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe Rob Kall&#8217;s notion of the government propping up the journalists who will be let go by the Times would be a better one if they were better journalists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Eighteenth century technology, part 5: Rob Kall&#8217;s solution&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Maybe Rob Kall&#8217;s notion of the government propping up the journalists who will be let go by the Times would be a better one if they were better journalists.<br />
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		<title>By: madmax333</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/13/la-times-falsely-tells-readers-that-democrats-didnt-have-the-10-republican-votes-necessary-to-pass-the-auto-industry-bailout/comment-page-2/#comment-434740</link>
		<dc:creator>madmax333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you esteemed contracts lawyers out there, Malkin site has the links to the Ford 2007 contract with the UAW, all 2215 pages of it. 

Libs are running the show and they STILL need political cover and/or fear actually taking responsibility for anything? What a bunch of girlie men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you esteemed contracts lawyers out there, Malkin site has the links to the Ford 2007 contract with the UAW, all 2215 pages of it. </p>
<p>Libs are running the show and they STILL need political cover and/or fear actually taking responsibility for anything? What a bunch of girlie men.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he is not [censored] and he feels no need for the made-up dignity of The Office of Vice-President-Elect.  He is Senator Biden until he is sworn in as Vice-President Biden -- two offices which are real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he is not [censored] and he feels no need for the made-up dignity of The Office of Vice-President-Elect.  He is Senator Biden until he is sworn in as Vice-President Biden &#8212; two offices which are real.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dana who used to live in Delaware</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dana who used to live in Delaware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One might ask a simple question: why is Joe Biden still in the Senate?  Governor Ruth Ann Minner (D-DE) has already appointed Mr Biden’s successor for his Senate seat, and the appointee is Ted Kaufman, a close friend and advisor to Mr Biden. If Mr Biden and Mrs Minner wanted a real “caretaker” senator, so that his son, Joseph R “Beau” Biden, the state Attorney General who is currently on active duty as a National Guard captain deployed to Iraq, could run for the seat in 2010, a better selection could not have been made. The seat will remain in Democratic hands.

So, why is the senior Mr Biden still in the Senate? Why hasn’t he resigned his seat? If he were actually doing his job as a senator, no one could complain that he hadn’t resigned, but he isn’t doing that job; he’s working on setting up his staff as the incoming vice president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might ask a simple question: why is Joe Biden still in the Senate?  Governor Ruth Ann Minner (D-DE) has already appointed Mr Biden’s successor for his Senate seat, and the appointee is Ted Kaufman, a close friend and advisor to Mr Biden. If Mr Biden and Mrs Minner wanted a real “caretaker” senator, so that his son, Joseph R “Beau” Biden, the state Attorney General who is currently on active duty as a National Guard captain deployed to Iraq, could run for the seat in 2010, a better selection could not have been made. The seat will remain in Democratic hands.</p>
<p>So, why is the senior Mr Biden still in the Senate? Why hasn’t he resigned his seat? If he were actually doing his job as a senator, no one could complain that he hadn’t resigned, but he isn’t doing that job; he’s working on setting up his staff as the incoming vice president.</p>
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		<title>By: madmax333</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/13/la-times-falsely-tells-readers-that-democrats-didnt-have-the-10-republican-votes-necessary-to-pass-the-auto-industry-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-434616</link>
		<dc:creator>madmax333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>46- what way did sec.of state designate Hillary go? Hill, Obama, Biden, Emanuel and others are still active members of Congress, no? What bugs me is Bush doing another end around against the wishes of the GOP and the American popular opinion. Wouldn&#039;t mind so much if it were the right thing. He may be an honorable man, but why bend over endlessly for libtards? Funny how Emanuel is said to be such a macho stud enforcer  and now he needs Depends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>46- what way did sec.of state designate Hillary go? Hill, Obama, Biden, Emanuel and others are still active members of Congress, no? What bugs me is Bush doing another end around against the wishes of the GOP and the American popular opinion. Wouldn&#8217;t mind so much if it were the right thing. He may be an honorable man, but why bend over endlessly for libtards? Funny how Emanuel is said to be such a macho stud enforcer  and now he needs Depends?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer")</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dschoen:

Obama&#039; seat is currently open, why is why Blagojevich tried to sell it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dschoen:</p>
<p>Obama&#8217; seat is currently open, why is why Blagojevich tried to sell it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dschoen</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/13/la-times-falsely-tells-readers-that-democrats-didnt-have-the-10-republican-votes-necessary-to-pass-the-auto-industry-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-434580</link>
		<dc:creator>Dschoen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not until January 20 will the majority vote rules be effectively reworked and even with that, they’ll need a GOP boost depending on the rule base. The GOP Karma is virulent and alive…

So what? Who’s the Senate Majority Leader and which party is he in?”

That would be Reid, dem, one of 3 dems voting ney.

&lt;b&gt;Reid (D-NV)  Tester (D-MT)  Lincoln (D-AR)&lt;/b&gt;

Another interesting thing on the vote count.

Vice President elect &lt;b&gt;Biden (D-DE)&lt;/b&gt; didn’t even bother to vote.  Guess it just wasn’t all that important to him.
Along with  &lt;b&gt;Kerry (D-MA)&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;b&gt;Wyden (D-OR)&lt;/b&gt;

And Senator/President elect &lt;b&gt;Obama&lt;/b&gt; also didn’t vote, or perhaps he voted “present”


&lt;b&gt;Kennedy (D-MA)&lt;/b&gt; also didn’t vote but I give him a pass due to his brain tumor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not until January 20 will the majority vote rules be effectively reworked and even with that, they’ll need a GOP boost depending on the rule base. The GOP Karma is virulent and alive…</p>
<p>So what? Who’s the Senate Majority Leader and which party is he in?”</p>
<p>That would be Reid, dem, one of 3 dems voting ney.</p>
<p><b>Reid (D-NV)  Tester (D-MT)  Lincoln (D-AR)</b></p>
<p>Another interesting thing on the vote count.</p>
<p>Vice President elect <b>Biden (D-DE)</b> didn’t even bother to vote.  Guess it just wasn’t all that important to him.<br />
Along with  <b>Kerry (D-MA)</b>  <b>Wyden (D-OR)</b></p>
<p>And Senator/President elect <b>Obama</b> also didn’t vote, or perhaps he voted “present”</p>
<p><b>Kennedy (D-MA)</b> also didn’t vote but I give him a pass due to his brain tumor.</p>
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		<title>By: Dschoen</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/12/13/la-times-falsely-tells-readers-that-democrats-didnt-have-the-10-republican-votes-necessary-to-pass-the-auto-industry-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-434550</link>
		<dc:creator>Dschoen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From one of the side artical.

&lt;b&gt;“Automakers fail to cash in on big GOP donations&lt;/b&gt;

By Ken Bensinger 
December 12, 2008 

By standing in the way of an auto industry bailout, GOP senators appear to have bitten the hand that fed them.
Over the last decade, General Motors has given $1.50 to Republican candidates for every $1 it has given to Democrats””

Hum shouldn’t this article be titled 

&lt;b&gt;“Republicans can not be bribed with $.50”
&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-fi-gopcars12-2008dec12,0,233571.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one of the side artical.</p>
<p><b>“Automakers fail to cash in on big GOP donations</b></p>
<p>By Ken Bensinger<br />
December 12, 2008 </p>
<p>By standing in the way of an auto industry bailout, GOP senators appear to have bitten the hand that fed them.<br />
Over the last decade, General Motors has given $1.50 to Republican candidates for every $1 it has given to Democrats””</p>
<p>Hum shouldn’t this article be titled </p>
<p><b>“Republicans can not be bribed with $.50”<br />
</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-fi-gopcars12-2008dec12,0,233571.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-fi-gopcars12-2008dec12,0,233571.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: On the Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; L.A Times Falsely Tells Readers That Democrats Didn’t Have The 10 Republican Votes Necessary To Pass The Auto Industry Bailout...&lt;/strong&gt;

Surprise: LA Times lies to readers about GOP support for bailout
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> L.A Times Falsely Tells Readers That Democrats Didn’t Have The 10 Republican Votes Necessary To Pass The Auto Industry Bailout&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Surprise: LA Times lies to readers about GOP support for bailout<br />
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