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12/2/2008

Obama Meets the Governors

Filed under: Obama — DRJ @ 1:18 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Barack Obama met with America’s Governors today in Philadelphia, including Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Haley Barbour, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Reports indicate Obama was given a warm reception and engaged in small talk with Jindal and Palin, both of whom are potential candidates for a Presidential run in the 2012 election.

Maybe Arnold invited Obama to a hearty lunch.

DJR DRJ

40 Responses to “Obama Meets the Governors”

  1. And Obama could have invited Arnie outside for a communal smoke.

    Dmac (e30284)

  2. I say again, with the One in, and Dems in the Senate at 58-59, we are screwed! Guns and Ammo boys and girls, guns and ammo.

    J. Raymond Wright (0440ef)

  3. I wish Governor Palin could greet Jennifer Granholm by saying …

    “So, nice to finally meet you. I hear you stood in for me when Joe Biden was rehearsing for our debate. I want to thank you, it worked out pretty well for me. Next time, you may want to look into having a fact-checker during the practice sessions. Oh, by the way — congratulations on your $800 million deficit — I guess you Michigan folks will be getting more aid from your pal Barack than us Alaskans, with our $6 billion SURPLUS and all.”

    But it would never happen. Sarah has too much class.

    L.N. Smithee (2a141b)

  4. …………..Jindal and Palin, both of whom are potential candidates for a Presidential run in the 2012 election.

    If that’s the case, I’m pulling for Jindal.

    Of course we’re all hoping Obama does a great job as president and beats either of them right?

    God Bless America

    Oiram (983921)

  5. As much as I love Gov. Palin and her authentic fiscal and social conservatism, the reality is that in politics, perception is reality. Unless she does something unexpectedly drastic in the next few years to turn around her image that inoculates her from frivolous yet vicious attacks based on things that really don’t matter (expense of wardrobe, Troopergate Tasergate, the turkey incident) I’m afraid her moment has passed.

    For this, I blame John McCain. She was the right person, but it was too soon to put her on the big stage. IMHO, Sarah Palin is the political equivalent of David Clyde. For those of you who know nothing about baseball trivia (or do, but don’t go back to the early seventies), that means someone with unlimited potential for greatness was pushed too far too fast because s/he excited the fan base, and what should have been a slow, steady road to superstardom became a crash course with disastrous results. Read more about David Clyde here.

    If Palin proves her mettle in her remaining years in Alaska, and displays understanding of international issues the way she does when it comes to energy and her own state’s challenges, the best I can see her doing is the VP slot once again. The question is, is she willing to settle for that? Bobby Jindal, if he keeps up his good work in Louisiana (and can — unlike other Pubbies in LA — keep his thang from wandering), ought to be the presumptive front-runner.

    If Obama can’t turn the economy around by 2012 (or if the Dems are unwilling to support him when Biden’s promised catastrophe occurs), people who worship B-HO’s alleged genius are still going to want a guy with a prestigious diploma. Jindal’s Oxford sheepskin trumps Obama’s Harvard Law edition, and unlike Obama, Jindal has not been shy about his collegiate writings. The Dems in Louisiana made a vain attempt to slime Jindal because of his Catholicism; after Obama got away with being so close to Rev. G.D. America Wright, that device has been rendered useless for ’12 use.

    McCain should have bitten the bullet and went with Mitt Romney. Still, if McCain had won, HE would be the President-elect, which doesn’t suck only next to the reality that Barack Obama IS.

    L.N. Smithee (2a141b)

  6. The Dems in Louisiana made a vain attempt to slime Jindal because of his Catholicism; after Obama got away with being so close to Rev. G.D. America Wright, that device has been rendered useless for ‘12 use.

    You really think so? The Dems spent 1992 and 1996 telling us that military service was unimportant (because they were running a draft dodger), only to attack Bush for “only” flying jets in the TANG.

    If Jindal runs for president, you’ll get to see the Dems and the press reinvent anti-Catholic bigotry plus develop a whole new school of anti-Indian bigotry.

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  7. If Jindal runs for president, you’ll get to see the Dems and the press reinvent anti-Catholic bigotry plus develop a whole new school of anti-Indian bigotry.

    So true it’s predictable. Compassion and decency (i.e. women and pregnant teens) was nowhere in sight this last go around. A bunch of hypocrites, the tolerant crowd.

    Vermont Neighbor (5ea336)

  8. Jindal made a mistake regarding his comments on Creationism being taught in the public schools -they’ll make every attempt to hang that one to his backside if he decides to run. The evil Fundies and all that stuff, you know.

    Dmac (e30284)

  9. Jindal made a mistake regarding his comments on Creationism being taught in the public schools

    He didn’t say “Creationism” should be taught. His comments in that regard were about “intelligent design,” which is NOT — unlike Creationism — a “young Earth” theory.

    Hopefully, the GOP by then will have lost its reticence toward smacking down false rumors with malice aforethought.

    L.N. Smithee (2a141b)

  10. After addressing the 50 Governors present,Obama
    was overheard asking “where are the 7 other Governors”.

    Baxter Greene (8035ae)

  11. His comments in that regard were about “intelligent design,” which is NOT — unlike Creationism — a “young Earth” theory.

    And you actually think his Dem opponents will make that distinction, and the MSM will of course follow suit? Can I sell you some property in the Badlands?

    Dmac (e30284)

  12. “…Alaskans, with our $6 billion SURPLUS…”

    Any ideas on what kind of collateral Gov. Palin should ask for from Gov Schwarzenegger for a loan to bail out CA?

    Another Drew (4472ac)

  13. About Bobby Jindal and creationism…

    Unlike most folks running for high political office, Jindal *majored* in biology at Brown University. Check out his academics:

    “He graduated from Baton Rouge High School in 1988 and went on to attend Brown University where he graduated with honors in biology and public policy. Following his graduation from Brown he attended Oxford University in England as a Rhodes Scholar, having turned down admissions to medical and law schools at both Harvard and Yale.”

    The above is from his biographical page. I won’t hold that Rhodes Scholarship against him, but I cannot wait for the MSM to try and portray his as a religious bumpkin.

    Dead right that they will try to hang a “creationist” sign on Jindal. I just hope that, when some talking head in the MSM does that, with cameras rolling, Jindal asks them some basic questions about biology.

    We’ll never see that footage, of course.

    Truth is, Jindal is trying to do that delicate dance between religious folk who see science/evolution as antithetical to religion (they might ask a Jesuit about that) and the hypersensitive faux-intellectual types who hate all matters of faith and must ridicule them.

    I’ll say this: Bobby Jindal is quick, sharp, and very well informed. He also survived the bare-knuckle and sewage laden political climate in Louisiana.

    We’ll see him again in Republican politics.

    Eric Blair (cc9718)

  14. After what you’ve seen in the last two and a half monthes, directed at Sarah Palin, do you think the truth matters to these people. It didn’t matter this time to judge by the trig trutherism,
    ‘the dinosaur story” daughter of a science teacher, the rape kit hoax, and a thousand other lies and slander. It is in part that she has weathered all these crap with grace and humor, that she will prevail. And Bobby, you can get in this race, but realize this will happen to you, too.

    narciso (57971e)

  15. Sarah Palin needs to do one thing, and one thing only, and that’s be the best governor for her state that she can be. Our friends on the left were able to hammer her on a perceived lack of experience — even though she had more than their presidential candidate — but if she goes into 2012 with a solid five years as a top-notch, effective governor, the Democratic demagoguery will be exposed for the bovine feces it is.

    The hopeful Dana (556f76)

  16. Dear Hopeful Dana:

    I hope you are right. I liked Sarah Palin very much, and was outraged by the quite evident sexism that the so-called “tolerant” Left showered on her.

    The enemy is the media, really. And it reminds me of when Michael Dukakis ran for President. Some ninny from the press asked him about his opposition to capital punishment. The talking head asked Dukakis if he would be opposed to it if a person killed his wife.

    Dukakis made an error. He replied that he was always opposed to capital punishment. Principled answer, but erroneous.

    What he should have said is that the interview was over, and where did that person get off thinking he was a journalist, to ask such questions? And Dukakis should have gone off on a rant about the press and basic decency.

    And I suspect had he done that, bad candidate or not (as I saw him), he would have won the election.

    Ditto Sarah Palin. She should answer what questions are fielded to her, and then ask one of her own. Question for question, with cameras rolling. The public would love it. Heck, Palin would love it. I can see the look in her eyes when she talks to hostile media—she is anything but a shrinking violet. The Left will never vote for her. But the folks in the middle would love that approach.

    Oh sure. Some media twit would reply “I’m not the one running for President.” But then Governor Palin could reply “Maybe not, but you sure seem to feel you can pass judgement on those people who do run for President. And that is up to the voters, not the media.”

    So Sarah Palin should really start getting ready now, if she wants to run. She’ll need to be as bulletproof as possible.

    Eric Blair (cc9718)

  17. Two things I would like to see Palin do in the next few years as she considers a run: master off-the-cuff or on-the-spot commenting and study military history.

    Her sentence structure is haphazard thus the point she is attempting to make can get lost in all the verbiage. Whether she can’t think quickly on her feet or she thinks too quickly to articulate her thoughts, its part of what worked against her in those bad interviews. To win against this enemy, (media), one has to be so quick in thinking on their feet and so confident in their position that they can come back in a direct and solid manner.

    In considering Palin in a post-election light, part of Palin’s problem, even with a number of Republicans, was a lack of gravitas and seemingly undeveloped views and broad knowledge of world history and international affairs. Of course she could be well versed and we may not know due to that pesky media bias but there was indeed a problem with a perceived lack of knowledge and depth in this area.

    Although Palin is no longer a student in the collegiate sense, this from Paglia seems about right…

    Our president must also serve as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, so a woman candidate for president must show a potential capacity for military affairs and decision-making. As a dissident feminist, I have been arguing for 20 years that young American women aspiring to political power should be studying military history rather than women’s studies with their rote agenda of never-ending grievances.’

    Dana (79a78b)

  18. Seriously, Dana, did you see the transcripts of the Couric and Gibson debates; what they cut out of the broadcast; example the meaning of Diomede
    Island, which was ‘dowdized’ “as I can see Russia from my House” and spouted by Tina Fey. She could have added the Ballistic Missile Defense Station, designed to intercept missiles targeted at the American Mainland, and the role of the National Guard detachment there.There are countless examples like that, add to that the condescending questions from Katie Couric, about what she read; did these people do any research, before coming here. What could she have said;” I love reading the Times, they’ve been here two weeks, it took them the first week, to figure out I was Trig’s Mom. It took them another week, for them to figure I hire a loyal staff. I love the way they leak secret military & government programs to the enemy”
    Did you miss how she reduced expenditures in the budget, both at the mayor’s and governor’s office. How she quit her job at the petroleum commission, because she was disgusted with how officials like the party treasurer, were misusing their office. She’s a governor who handles massive budgets, negotiates international natural gas pipelines contracts.She kicked out the major oil companies because they would not commit to the pipelines. It’s easier to deal with Chavez and the Sauds. (That’s why the whole ‘she didn’t know what countries are in NAFTA was a crock” or didn’t know that “Africa was a country, not a continent” with her knowledge about Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea, her churches concerns about Darfur. She reads a summary of the day’s news prepared by her staff. She was probably hesitant not to show her dissagreement with McCain over the Campaign Finance decisions among others. She had to be a team player. The same applies to the cap and trade policies, and the bailout, which she clearly wasn’t in favor of. We’ve gotten a much better view of what she really believes since the election.

    Let’s examine our new Vice President elect, by comparison. He plagiarized in law schools, than plagiarizes a speech of some whose background is unlike his own. He was opposed to all theprograms that Reagan used to beat the Soviets. He was against the First Gulf War, but not the Second. He imagines still visiting a restaurant that closed twenty years ago. He confused the US
    operations to kick out Syria from Lebanon, with
    Hezbollah,which would be a surprise to Israel as well as the US Marine Corps. He opposed the Alaskan pipelines, which we kind of depend on. He was the man behind FISA, a law that seriously failed us on 9/11. He authored another law, the VAWA that the Supreme Court found unconstitutional. He along with Hillary adviser, Samantha Power, favor partitioning Iraq, a type of disaster that has given us Northern Ireland, the former Yugoslavia, Pakistan and Kashmir. That’s part of the reason he’s been in hiding for the last month and much of the campaign. He once spent three minutes in a monologue that never actually asked a question of John Roberts. Some of these are picky; but many show sizable lack of understanding of key policy issues. His oposition to any substantive defense of Georgia, has led in part to the provocation by Medvedev against a similar BMD facility in Eastern Europe. Yet he’s scheduled to be at the Executive Office Building, and she’ll have to wait for the key to the
    building next door, another four years. While we realize again we need our own oil, that tax hikes don’t help the economy, that our troops need to be supported fully, without reservation or restriction

    So I ask you, how is it you don’t know these basic facts about her. Had you not relied on Couric, Gibson, Fey and John Stewart, but been aware of Weidner, Bill Dyer, and a whole other series of other bloggers, I’m sure Patterico must have mentioned her at some point. Did she make some mistakes at the debate. i’ll grant you that.(she mistook the name of the commander in Afghanistan, who doesn’t get the same press as his boss, General Petraeus) Is it more important to get the big things right, like the important of the surge, support for US special forces and intelligence cross border operations into Pakistan

    One wishes Governor Jindal, well, if he decides to get into the Presidential race. He knows from
    personal experience, five years ago. The Brown and Oxford educated wunderkind of the Foster administration and Congressman, was caricatured
    as an unfeeling, Christian apparatchik willing to let people die. The victor in that race, who benefited from David Duke style demagogic appeals
    was Kathleen Blanco. Whose judgement was ultimately found wanting in the long run?

    narciso (57971e)

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  20. Who’s DJR?

    Apogee (366e8b)

  21. I’m always doing that. I must have name dyslexia.

    DRJ (a50047)

  22. dno’t wrroy, I do ti oot.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  23. Heh. Thanks, Apogee.

    DRJ (a50047)

  24. Comment by narciso — 12/2/2008 @ 7:38 pm

    I’m not interested in comparing Palin to Biden and the media campaign and attacks on Palin is common knowledge. With that it is still reasonable to reassess and make observations in light of a loss. I respect Palin for a number of reasons, and I admire her fearlessness as an unapologetic conservative but if she plans on becoming a winning v.p or even president, there is work to be done. She has to win over the majority of the party still.

    You seem to think that she is already in the best position and at her strongest point. I don’t think so.

    Dana (79a78b)

  25. Good summary narcisco.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  26. I think that both narciso and Dana are correct.

    1. The MSM did treat the VP candidates differentially. And it was shameful. Nor was the fact of it lost on the public. Biden is a goon, and it is horrifying to me that he will be VP. I cannot believe that he was BO’s first choice. It must be that the first choice declined. Biden has just too many negatives in front of cameras…and then continued to do so after being selected.

    On the other hand, his bizarre statements didn’t keep him from being elected.

    2. Sarah Palin should study up. Big time. It doesn’t have to follow Camille Paglia’s advice about military history (though it was indeed great advice). History isn’t taught worth a darn these days, as folks in academia who are honest will admit. She could be become an energy maven, and that would fit her background and interests.

    3. The MSM will NOT be fair. So Jindal, Palin, whomever will have to “cowboy up” and have zero gaffes. And they will need to utterly insist that selective edits will not be permitted, in the only way they can: by having their own camera crews filming the entire interviews. And if things are unfairly edited, the candidate’s film crew will have evidence. The MSM will be honest so long as they are under scrutiny.

    As it is, I trust the MSM about as far as I can throw a bathtub full of mercury.

    On balance, Sarah Palin on her worst day is a better choice for VP than Joe Biden. But that clearly didn’t matter to the majority of voters.

    Planning for 2012? To coin a phrase: Yes, We Can!

    Eric Blair (8f93a0)

  27. Eric Blair,

    I agree. I think its obvious to all who the real opposition is and will be (unless Obama screws up in a remarkable way) and its time to look at how to use that information to a candidate’s advantage. The media will not support the right or give an inch of decency, so its up to the candidates to figure out a way to overcome this or even smartly utilize it. They have no choice if they want to win.

    While Narciso did nicely sum it up, its water under the bridge and almost a moot point because there can be no assumption nor pretense left that the media will give Palin (or Jindal) fair treatment. It is a luxury none on the right can afford.

    FWIW, if Palin can come back and run again in either position, she will evidence tremendous steel, drive and determination. I have never seen one so maligned, attacked and pilloried on a regular basis. That she did not just wither away is quite remarkable.

    Dana (79a78b)

  28. To me, Sarah Palin’s attitudes regarding her clearly biased treatment by the press are the very model of genuine feminism. She didn’t whine about her treatment. She said it wasn’t fair, but that is how it was—she had to deal with it.

    Maybe it is a “frontier” mindset. All I know is that I admired her lack of victimhood.

    Good Lord above, there were cretins who persisted in trying to force her to prove that Trig was her own baby! And not just the arguably mental Andrew Sullivan. There are even some folks who have posted here who have written the most offensive tripe about this subject—and yet who also claim to be tolerant and liberal.

    Feh.

    Again, Sarah Palin didn’t bow under that nonsense. She is strong. Hopefully, she is getting the advice that you suggest. It’ll be up to her.

    Eric Blair (8f93a0)

  29. Oh, and I still think that the idea that a candidate filming the interview for themselves, in case oh so innocent editing might give watchers a particular set of ideas, is a good one.

    But I am sure that the MSM would never agree with it. And would be hurt to think that anyone could doubt their journalistic integrity.

    “Journalist integrity.” Nowadays, more and more, that appears to be a contradiction in terms.

    Eric Blair (8f93a0)

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  33. As usual, Dems come to a knife fight with an Uzi, Reps come with a slingshot. Bush tried to play nice for 8 years and got him nowehere. McCain was for all intents and purposes a Democrat for the past 8 years, got him nowhere. So what do Jindal and Palin do? Follow in Bush and McCain’s failing footsteps of playing nice with the liberals.

    Only question for 2012 will be: Does Obama win 47 or 48 states?

    Ed (df3428)

  34. “Dead right that they will try to hang a “creationist” sign on Jindal. I just hope that, when some talking head in the MSM does that, with cameras rolling, Jindal asks them some basic questions about biology.”

    It would be great to have Jindal tell us all about evolution and biology.

    imdw (b7e903)

  35. “Whether she can’t think quickly on her feet or she thinks too quickly to articulate her thoughts, its part of what worked against her in those bad interviews. ”

    Yes. Palin’s problem could be that she thinks too quickly.

    “She didn’t whine about her treatment.”

    Didn’t she complain about her first amendment rights?

    imdw (b7e903)

  36. I’m sorry if I overreacted against both Eric Blair’s (very apropo with the Orwellian themes) and Dana’s comments, but the media malpractice in this campaign was so blatant and vicious, that I had to correct the record. I didn’t know how much either of you, knew about the actual record, the same goes for Jindal, who I also hold in high admiration; as you can tell; interesting another blog excerpted the least salient part of my comment. I don’t put it past her, to build up a more comprehensive knowledge base, but Katie Couric’s arrogant attitude, rubbed me the wrong way; as my faux Palin response indicated. I think a genuine ability to connect with people, has as much a priority as specialized knowledge; you can usually find advisors who will provide the answers(not always, as the other party proves itself) The greater question seems to lie in what happens when the source of knowledge is contaminated;
    sadly the latest example is the new NBER report that ‘cooked’ the books, in order to misrepresent when the recession started.

    The whole truth about William Ayers, that Sarah was that Sarah was essentially right, about
    Obama’s associations; yet the media treated her
    legitimate compliants as incendiary. Yet as soon
    as the election, he popped out of his groundhog
    day exile; giving his biased interpretation on GMA and Salon

    narciso (57971e)

  37. Comment by narciso — 12/3/2008 @ 6:32 pm

    Knowing Eric Blair as an upstanding guy and speaking for myself, no apology is necessary but thank you. I think most people here would agree with your assessment and the bitter taste we’re left with in regard to the media’s dishonesty is undeniable but there is work to do.

    At least now its out in the open. I think the right resisted acknowledging for a long time the determination and intent of the media to sink McCain/Palin and boost Obama. At times it even appeared that McCain/Palin, due to denial or naivete, allowed themselves to be made chump change of by the media. They realized too late just how willing the media was to give up their integrity to make sure Obama won. Hard lesson to learn, know your enemy.

    Dana (79a78b)

  38. I don’t know if McCain actually knew, since he considered the press,”his base”. Sarah probably suspected, since according to the Kaylee Johnson bio (why wasn’t this book, bought and delivered in large quantities by the McCain campaign) her races against Stein, Stevens, Murkowski had always featured tough tactics. But she probably didn’t expect her capital’s paper to be such a shill for Obama. She didn’t think that obviously
    disprovable lies would be circulated with greater
    and greater vehemence, in the papers, on left wing websites, on YouTube (some of it so vile, that one questions the human dignity of who would
    provide it) She thought the McCain staff, was obviously more experienced at this, and they knew what they were doing. I’ve made the comparison elsewhere that the trial by fire she endured is not unlike that of Jimmy Stewart’s Mr. Smith goes to Washington. He prevails in the end, but not before the corrupt power brokers, attempt to discredit him and his message. For Sarah, it must have been a rude awakening, for more often she didn’t recognize the reality or even the portrait
    of her in the media.

    narciso (57971e)

  39. Narciso, I didn’t know we were disagreeing. You remain correct: the MSM was despicable. The whole concept of Katie Couric or Charlie Gibson trying to claim that they are boffins ought to be funny. Except that they got away with it. And many people in the public bought it—but mostly due to partisanship (remember how bloody smart Al Gore and John Kerry were supposed to be in school, compared to GW Bush?).

    If you get a chance, narciso, go look up the “Gell-Man Amnesia Effect” that the late Michael Crichton has discussed at length. You’ll be glad you did.

    Trying to state that a particular candidate should be more “intellectual” is a very slippery slope. It very easily elides into elitism, and not on any factual basis. And it is SO frustrating to me. When I would get students who would sneer at Governor Palin’s “intelligence” (not knowing anything about her other than what the MSM was telling them), I would ask them how their toaster worked at home. They would look all confused. I would remind them that anyone can make someone else look unintelligent.

    The fact is, NY Times crossword puzzle solver or reader of The American Prospect or not, Sarah Palin had more real experience running anything in government than the other three candidates. And, I would add, the vast majority of the posters here. Including me.

    But this is nothing new. I had to listen constantly in the 1980s about how “stupid” and “Ignorant” a person was Ronald Reagan. Strange, when I read his letters, I found that not to be the case.

    Isn’t it sad that people cannot simply say that they disagree with the politics of a candidate and will not vote for them? Instead, it has to turn into the rejected candidate being labeled as craven or stupid. Or even into Andrew Sullivan crazy territory.

    I also think, narciso, that McCain’s campaign treated Sarah Palin very poorly indeed. But she is very tough. And now she knows what she is up against.

    Our folks have to be better than they have been, because of the press. In a way, that is a good thing—especially how some of the Republicans have been running things in the near past.

    Also, Dana, a tip of the hat. A classy person, as always.

    Eric Blair (8f93a0)

  40. It was very interesting that at the Republican convention, Fred Thompson, and to a lesser degree Mitt Romney, indicted the MSM. The McCain decided to play footsy with them, and wouldn’t call them out on obvious bias. That, in itself, was very frustrating. I really do hope that the stories of Fred Thompson schooling Sarah are true. If she can articulate a clear conservative message, coupled with the way she connects with voters, she could be a real winner, if there’s enough left to win in 4 years.

    Pofarmer (01c9ab)


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