New York Times: Secretary of State Clinton
[Guest post by DRJ]
The New York Times reports Hillary Clinton has decided to relinquish her Senate seat and accept the position as Obama’s Secretary of State.
The source(s) are unnamed Clinton confidantes so skepticism is appropriate. However, if this is true, it stuns me that Obama would pass over the chance to choose Hillary as his VP and assure his election while relegating her to a marginal position in his administration, only to hand her the keys to the State Department and significant influence over foreign policy during his transition.
Obama must be feeling overwhelmed and very lonely to do this.
— DRJ
God help us!
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:04 pmWe’re gonna get a lot of miles out of that one, aren’t we…
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:09 pmIf the vice president is a loose cannon, you can’t fire him; he’s an elected official in his own right. If the Secretary of State is a problem, the president can can him, at any time.
The unworried Dana (3e4784) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:10 pmOr her, you sexist!
Denounced!!
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:11 pmBesides, foreign policy is going to be made in the White House, not the State Department. Mrs Clinton will be required to carry out
The unworried Dana (3e4784) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:12 pmher master’sMr Obama’s instructions, and he will be very pleased with that! 🙂This is really a bizarre move. After working hard at fending off the Clinton family in the primary, now he’s turning over the entire administration to Clinton’s or their corrupted lapdogs.
SPQR (72771e) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:13 pmWell, to the best that can be determined, he’s never really had any friends (none at Harvard, none at Columbia . . . Ayers is just “some guy in the neighborhood”), so is it any wonder that he has no friends now, and has to rely on a group almost entirely comprised of insiders?
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:14 pmDana,
The President can assign the VP to attend every foreign funeral and meet with politically unimportant lobbyists, businesspeople, and local politicians. And the VP has to act like s/he likes it. Marginalization like that is worse than being fired.
But I agree I’m not worried about this. Policy may be made in the White House but day-to-day operations will be run by State and those operations can dramatically influence the success or failure of overall policy. I’d much rather have Hillary “making” foreign policy than Obama. It’s her domestic policies I don’t like.
DRJ (a50047) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:15 pmLet’s look at the order of succession to the Presidency:
Joe Biden
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid (or whoever the President Pro Tem of the Senate is)
Hillary Clinton
God help us if Obama can’t serve out his term.
Steverino (69d941) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:16 pm[…] Patterico: However, if this is true, it stuns me that Obama would pass over the chance to choose Hillary as his VP and assure his election while relegating her to a marginal position in his administration, only to hand her the keys to the State Department and significant influence over foreign policy during his transition. […]
Hillary Clinton Will Say Yes to Secretary of State Job : Stop The ACLU (665541) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:17 pmWhat’s bizarre about it, SPQR? It can hardly be a surprise at this point that he’s just a figurehead. Your local TV News anchorman would be more of his own man in the White House than Barack Obama will.
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:17 pmRonery…he’s so Ronery…
L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:28 pmSteverino #9: Given those scary names, even cowardly me would want to throw myself in front of any harm directed at The One.
Old Coot (8a493c) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:32 pmSay it with me now: Elections Matter!
parsnip (ff313d) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:39 pmThe American Troika; Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, like every other totalitarian regime in history, need a serviceable minister of propaganda. Who better to represent the new American paradigm to the world than Hillary Clinton? The terraforming of America by the leftists has begun, we will be remade into the more acceptable likeness of Western Europe. The long suffering, liberal turmoil is at an end. America can at last take it’s place at the adult table beside the other more progressive socialist leader nations of the West. ‘Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished.
Digital Publius (6707d3) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:41 pmMr Jacobs: As we are all aware, when the gender of a person is unspecified — as would be the case since I wrote in general terms — the masculine subsumes the feminine, and the masculine pronouns are proper.
The ridiculous constructions “he or she” or “his/her” are abominations unto the Lord, and I shall not use them
The grammatical Dana (3e4784) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:42 pmI/We use them!
DRJ (a50047) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:45 pmNow, now, DRJ: only kings, editors, and people with tapeworms are allowed to use the editorial we 🙂
Steverino (69d941) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:46 pmWe disagree.
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:49 pmDana,
Your excuses fall upon deaf ears, and I remain unconvinced.
I shall continue to denounce you!
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:52 pmWoodward thinks Obama must be smoking something. Heh.
DRJ (a50047) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:54 pmComment by Old Coot — 11/21/2008 @ 1:32 pm
Oh boy, I’ll be backing you up!
The upside of this, which is not too much of a worry (Hillary), is that Bill will be returning more to the public eye and we all know fun always follows him wherever he goes.
The She Dana (3a01f2) — 11/21/2008 @ 1:58 pmI’ve invented a new contraction that is the combination of “she”, “he” and “it”.
SPQR (72771e) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:00 pmComment by SPQR — 11/21/2008 @ 2:00 pm
Heh.
The She Dana (3a01f2) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:01 pmSoutherners beat ya’ to it a long time ago.
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:02 pmRemember the final scene of the 1972 movie The Candidate? After having had his hand held and words put into his mouth at every turn in order to win a California Senate election, Bill McKay (Robert Redford) and his aides retire to his hotel room following his victory speech. His campaign manager is leaving his room, and McKay stops him, asking, “What do we do now?”
There are more than a few self-identified Dems who are asking if B.O. is the real-life Bill McKay.
Ironically, Redford, who played the fictional version, doesn’t recognize the real thing when he sees it.
L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:05 pmThe scary thing is that Redford probably DOES recognize the real thing — but he doesn’t care because the guy is on his side of the political aisle.
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:08 pmIts not a horrible choice, but I still think by far Bill Richardson is the best candidate for this job. He has relationships and familiarity with people in Iraq and North Korea already, he has negotiated with the Taliban. Placing him in an office other that foreign affairs may be a mistake.
JOHN (e1897d) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:15 pmBarrack: When did you forget that the Clinton’s are the smartest duo on this earth and they certainly don’t need your guidance being Mrs and Mr Secretary of State. Good luck with the idea she will promote your policies in her dealings with world leaders! Oh, and Bill’s promise to be open with the details of his foundation’s dealings with foreign interests….your naivety is surprising!
Elmer (a7d95e) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:20 pmThe third term of the Bush adminstration is well under way! You have to wonder what all the people who’ve been screeching about Bushitlers war crimes are thinking now that Obama is staffing his cabinet with war supporters.
Subotai (8f654b) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:24 pmIs “naivety” similar to “eleventy”?
What better way to prevent her from making trouble, either in the Senate or within the country at-large, than to officially kick her out for 4 years?
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:24 pmIt is good to have Hillary (read Bill) around between them and the cabal Pelosi-Reid, are soing to be the ones governing the country, anyhow. Here for the first time in our history what we are seeing is a “junta” government. Good scheme Democratas ! What we see it is not what it happening.
Cmillus (825944) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:25 pmThe more I think about this, the more perplexed I am. One of Hillary’s weak spots in this election was her foreign policy credentials. By making her Secretary of State, Obama is giving her gravitas on foreign affairs that she can use in 4 years to contest him if things don’t go well in his first term.
DRJ (8b9d41) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:45 pmI’m a little more concerned about Obama’s purported choice for Attorney General, Eric Holder (second from right in this uncensored photo).
Official Internet Data Office (7bfe1c) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:53 pmLooks like Obama’s administration may turn out to be a third Bill Clinton term (pre-1994) after all. So much for “change we need” and “change we can believe in”. At least it should keep most of the powerful cabinet positions away for the left wing fringe.
Mark Turner (bcdbd0) — 11/21/2008 @ 2:59 pmAfter watching ‘Shrub’s bungling amateur moves as President, I’m glad to see Obama putting in proven, experienced talent in top positions. No more ‘heck of a job’ Brownies! I can’t even remember the name of the Yosemite Sam idiot Bush had in the UN for a while.
Tim Dunn (9a9f20) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:02 pmOfficial Internet Data Office, in that picture, Eric Holder looks like a young Shepherd Book.
(Still trying to figure out whether Tim Dunn’s post was satire.)
Steverino (69d941) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:05 pmAren’t you guys grateful that Bill Ayers and Rev Wright are not in the short list?
love2008 (1b037c) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:15 pmThat’s a bit like asking whether you’re grateful an assailant merely stabbed you in the stomach instead of the eye.
Steverino (69d941) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:16 pmAfter watching ‘Shrub’s bungling amateur moves as President, I’m glad to see Obama putting in proven, experienced talent in top positions.
Is that the new line from the left? You people have been in hysterics about the “illegal Iraq war” for many years now. But the latest pivot is that the war itself was fine, you just wanted better people running it?
I’m not sure the memory hole is deep enough to swallow that.
Subotai (8f654b) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:17 pm“Aren’t you guys grateful that Bill Ayers and Rev Wright are not in the short list?”
Lovey – Aren’t you glad that Obama wants to teach five year olds about gay sex in schools?
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:20 pmThe leftist illuminati supporters of Obama are hilarious. They sing his praises as the breath of fresh air who is going to bring about a change we can believe in. Then the first thing he does is fill his cabinet with partisan members who are Clinton retreads. This should be interesting over the next few years.
Jeff (08332a) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:23 pmLovey – Aren’t you glad that Obama wants to teach five year olds about gay sex in schools?
Comment by daleyrocks — 11/21/2008 @ 3:20 pm
love2008 (1b037c) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:38 pmSorry I don’t share your excitement over that, poof.
We are facing the most powerful far left leaning government in the history of our nation? We are talking about an unrestrained, extreme liberal, completely unchecked, House of Representatives, Senate and Executive branch. You will see (fairness) that word that president elect Obama is so found of using; will disappear from the American Lexicon.
Here is something you can be certain of. In the first year of the Obama presidency, you will see the most radical change to the American culture and landscape that you could possibly imagine. The democrats, while they have power consolidated, will have to work quickly to make all of their socialists dreams come true, before the American public wakes up and recognizes the horrible mistake they have made, return to sanity, and can vote for balance in the next elections. I will be shocked if President Obama has not named at least two appointees to the Supreme Court. Justices that will be as activist and liberal, as can be found, anywhere in the Land of the Moon-bats. Judges that will be utterly dedicated to terraforming our culture into a Secular Humanist utopia. So devoid of all moral absolutes will America be, that the Huxley family, en masse, will immediately immigrate to America and apply for citizenship.
Digital Publius (6707d3) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:40 pmI am amazed all of the right winger conservatives are back on the political scene. Where were they for the last 8 years. What had happened to those watchdogs; it looks like they were asleep,tired of barking,for 8 years during Clinton’s presidency.God help us…God help America
A. Sidney (6ef699) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:45 pmBy making her Secretary of State, Obama is giving her gravitas on foreign affairs that she can use in 4 years to contest him if things don’t go well in his first term.
Comment by DRJ — 11/21/2008 @ 2:45 pm
love2008 (1b037c) — 11/21/2008 @ 3:56 pmGood point, DRJ. But don’t you think that accepting that post will destroy whatever is left of Hillary Clinton’s political ambitions? If she fails she will take the blame and won’t be able to run against him. If she succeeds, he takes the credit for picking her. The way I see it, accepting this position gives us insight on whether Hillary wants to run again. If she takes it, she is ceding her 2012 ambition. Just my opinion.
Tim Dunn,
I assume you voted for John McCain since he has more “proven, experienced” leadership than Obama. If not then your spin is pretty weak.
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The Obligatory Hillary Accepts Secretary of State Posting | Political Byline (e78bc3) — 11/21/2008 @ 4:12 pmlove2008:
I disagree. I think this proves Hillary wants to be a player and isn’t willing to retire gracefully to the Senate. Further, this gives her a position where she can’t fail. Like Colin Powell during the first Bush term, she can take credit for the positive outcomes and when things don’t go well, she can blame it on Obama’s policies and leak that she counseled against those policies.
Finally, thanks to Obama’s staff choices, she has a network of sources that will keep her abreast of all the inside information so she can avoid the pitfalls. It’s a win-win for Hillary.
DRJ (a50047) — 11/21/2008 @ 4:18 pmThe really “proven, experienced talent in top positions” were people like Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and John Roberts.
Official Internet Data Office (7bfe1c) — 11/21/2008 @ 4:25 pmComment by DRJ — 11/21/2008 @ 4:18 pm
love2008 (1b037c) — 11/21/2008 @ 4:29 pmDo you really think Hillary is still interested in running for president? Don’t think so. If she really wants to, she will best stay away from any cabinet position in Obama’s admin. and remain in the senate. I don’t see how being Obama’s Condi helps her.
The NYT is ecstatic over this choice. For the next few years, in order to undermine Obama, Hillary will be leaking inside information to the NYT. It a tough job, but Hillary may save the NYT!
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 11/21/2008 @ 4:44 pmI thought Obama was elected President; however, I’m not surprised about the Clintons getting themselves back in the White House, they think it belongs to them. I knew they were up to something, Obama is their puppet. They bought and paid for him. The next four years should be very interesting.
Karen Wade, Illinois (27308c) — 11/21/2008 @ 5:01 pmGood thing Hillary wears pants all the time. She knows her way around the White house and Michelle O won’t be able to see the rug burns on her knees.
Scrapiron (dda662) — 11/21/2008 @ 5:58 pmEverything is going to be just fine. Remember the good ole days? They call them the good ole days for a reason: http://www.236.com/news/2008/11/21/7_reasons_why_hiring_a_clinton_1_10374.php
Alyssa (b1123a) — 11/21/2008 @ 6:11 pm______________________________
Well, Hillary will be a pro at ducking and covering from incoming sniper fire, and her boss, Obama, will be good at throwing radical, fanatical preachers (among others) under the bus.
A combo made in heaven.
Mark (411533) — 11/21/2008 @ 8:41 pmBottom Line. To all you NAYSAYERS. You fail to remember the shape that the economy and the U.S. was in when Bill got into office and the shape of the economy when he left. It was a better time for MOST (especially the middle class). How has it been since BUSH has been in office? NOT GOOD!! While Bill was in office–Hillary was by his side. The economy and the U.S. were better with both in office (and I personally feel Hillary made a lot of major decisions as 1st lady) but that’s only my opinion! It seems to not matter whose in office–there will always NAYSAYERS. Rather than downing individuals–shouldn’t we be lookin at the big picture–Whats Best for our Country? Would we rather have 4 more years of the BUSH ERA or try CHANGE? I personally don’t think we can go wrong with the OBAMA/CLINTON administration regardless of how it comes. Its got to better!! Also, don’t under estimate Michelle O’–She she is a smart woman as Hillary was under her husband’s Reign!!Just my Opinion!!
[Note: This is not the regular commenter Dmac. This is another person with similar initials. — DRJ]
DMAC (6ecb56) — 11/21/2008 @ 9:16 pmI remember. The economy was in its 8th consecutive quarter of expansion when Clinton took office. It was teetering into a recession when he left, with 2000Q3 showing a shrinking GDP.
Steverino (db5760) — 11/21/2008 @ 9:31 pmBut how does that compare to the 8th consecutive Quarter prior to him taking office.?
[Note: This is not the regular commenter Dmac. This is another person with similar initials. — DRJ]
DMAC (6ecb56) — 11/21/2008 @ 10:35 pmVery interesting point that begs the question what has changed? From a woman’s perspective, what has changed is that Michelle is no longer pissed at Hillary. Hillary was, by all counts, respectful and helpful to Michelle with advice on raising the girls in the White House. Michelle is no longer ticked off so Hillary gets a powerful role.
Mary (80d847) — 11/21/2008 @ 11:19 pm“From a woman’s perspective, what has changed is that Michelle is no longer pissed at Hillary.”
Mary – Today Michelle may not be pissed off at Hillary. Just wait until Hillary starts undermining Baracky from the State Department.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 11/21/2008 @ 11:24 pmThe economy was already growing well before Clinton was even elected. Crediting him with the expansion is like blaming the Johnstown flood on a leaky faucet in Altoona.
The US economy has periods of growth and recession: it’s cyclical. The President, no matter what party, doesn’t have as much control over the economy as you seem to think.
Steverino (db5760) — 11/21/2008 @ 11:30 pmJust wait until Hillary starts undermining Baracky from the State Department.
Daley- You’re absolutely right and when that happens Michelle will start beating the hubby’s big ears to cut Hillary loose. I don’t envy him there but he bought in to the “team of rivals,” revisionist history of the great plagiarizer writer Doris Kearns Goodwin. The only thing Obama and Lincoln have in common is the crazy wife.
Mary (80d847) — 11/22/2008 @ 12:20 am#26:
It seems the McKay label has stuck. The party hacks and the Clinton machine continues to control the Dems…and now Obama.
The only positive from this I can foresee is, if Clinton or her husband make a mistake, Obama can stick a knife in them for good. That is, if he survives.
OMG, the pant suit is entrenched as lady’s fashion for the 10s!
Baltimoron (649068) — 11/22/2008 @ 4:54 amMr Jacobs wrote:
Said denunciation shall be worn as a Badge of Honor! 🙂
The denounced Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 6:49 amdaleyrocks wrote:
Then she gets fired. 🙂 This would not cause me much distress.
The hopeful Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 6:59 amMy question is: why all the coyness? We’ve “known” about this since the fourteenth, it’s now the twenty-twoth, and the Times says that the official announcement won’t be made until “after Thanksgiving.”
Of course, I’m always ready to suspect a conspiracy whenever the Clintons are involved!
The curious Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:06 amHe’s probably saving them for SCOTUS.
Old Coot (8a493c) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:06 amUnworried Dana–you’re absolutely right about the use of “he” being gender-neutral. Take any History of the English Language course, and it’s discussed. If my professor spoke accurately, its origin is Scandinavian and it loosely translates to “one/it/person.” “She” wasn’t even added in to our vocabulary until fairly recently. And I’m a female, for those who would insist I am a sexist.
Terry T (90a2c4) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:10 amMr Coot:
Unfortunately, I was eating some of last night’s chili whilst reading this fine site, and now you’ve made me taste it again, in the opposite direction.
The sickened Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:11 amDear Mrs T:
Now you will share my denunciation by Mr Jacobs. I thank you for helping me bear this burden! 🙂
The denounced Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:14 amDana,
You need to visit a Gastro if you are repeating Chili 12 hours after consumption.
That should be well down the hershey highway.
Da'Shiznit (089453) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:15 amThe Baltimoron wrote:
Why? It’s not as though Mrs Clinton actually looks good in them.
The Dana channeling Stacey London and Clinton Kelly (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:17 amDa’Shiznit: You misunderstood: I was consuming a bowl of cold chili — and a Mountain Dew® — for breakfast.
The nutritionist Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:19 amAlso, don’t under estimate Michelle O’–She she is a smart woman as Hillary was under her husband’s Reign!!Just my Opinion!!
The commenter above in no way represents me or any of my opinions on the matter. Try another name, Trolly.
[Dmac: I added a note on those comments that they weren’t yours. — DRJ]
Dmac (e30284) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:39 amWhat I really want to know is this: how do you make those little yellow smiley faces?
Official Internet Data Office (7bfe1c) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:46 amHas anybody seen any public statements from Senator Aristoslacker about the Clinton appointment? I can easily see him putting his feet in his mouth bloviating about her appointment out of jealousy.
daleyrocks (5d22c0) — 11/22/2008 @ 7:47 amOIDO: Closer together, the colon : and the parenthesis ) Make 🙂
The colon and othet parenthesis make 🙁
The nutritionist Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:03 amArlen Spector? Phil Spector?
Dmac (e30284) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:03 am: I was consuming a bowl of cold chili — and a Mountain Dew® — for breakfast.
Yikes – sounds like a big frowny face on that breakfast choice. Too many things wrong with that combo to list.
Dmac (e30284) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:04 amThanks, HTML Dana! 🙂
Official Internet Data Office (7bfe1c) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:10 amI came in here to call you sexists for not supporting Hillary because she is a woman (like I got called a sexist for not supporting Palin)
But you’re actually discussing this .. not spewing bile.
Tip of my hat instead of a troll…
i like america (a664fb) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:21 amIf you look at the earlier posts this week, you’ll find quite a few favorable opinions on HRC’s appointment (including mine) – I think it shows that Obama is letting the adults take charge (except for Holder).
Dmac (e30284) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:23 amDmac: I can eat anything, at any time, with the exception of cheese, which tastes like the rotten, sour, clabbered milk from which it is made.
I do make certain that I eat from the four main food groups — sugar, salt, caffeine and cholesterol — every day.
The Dana with the cast-iron stomach (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:50 amI wonder: Could Mr Obama have assigned the job of Secretary of State to his vice president?
The wondering Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:51 amwhen that happens Michelle will start beating the hubby’s big ears to cut Hillary loose.
Oh boy, absolutely right. It was interesting watching the 60 Minutes interview with the new first couple. Mrs. Obama in several comments toward her husband revealed a bit of an edge and bite. I don’t think she will quietly be in the background working on her pet projects like Mrs. Bush but will be a bit more vocally involved … akin to how Hillary was. Retiring and phlegmatic does not reflect these women. There will be competition.
"Dana" (79a78b) — 11/22/2008 @ 8:59 amwith the exception of cheese, which tastes like the rotten, sour, clabbered milk
Comment by The Dana with the cast-iron stomach — 11/22/2008 @ 8:50 am
Well. That certainly settles it – we are not and cannot be the Same Dana because I think cheese (especially the Italian’s Asiago)is like nectar from the gods in dairy form. 🙂
Dana (79a78b) — 11/22/2008 @ 9:04 amThe much prettier Dana scarily wrote:
No, the Nectar of the Gods is Mountain Dew.®
4,000 years ago, the gods on Mount Olympus decided that they needed something to wash down the Food of the Gods, which is, as we all know, sushi. Ἥφαιστος provided beer, and Διόνυσος provided wine, and both of these worked well, but the gods kept waking up with these horrible hangovers.
So Ζεύς, the King of the Gods, assigned to his daughter Ἀθηνᾶ, the Goddess of Wisdom, the noble task of producing a non-alcoholic drink for the gods. She labored for 476 years, and finally produced the Nectar of the Gods, sometimes called ambrosia. The gods agreed that this drink was truly divine, and that it was far, far too good for mortal men, so they kept the secret with them on Mount Olympus.
Until . . .
One day in 1942, when Zeus was visiting a mortal maiden in Knoxville, Tennessee, he heard the stomp of footsteps coming up the stairs. Zeus transformed himself into a golden swan and flew out the window, but he left his blue jeans on the no longer maidenly young woman’s bedroom floor.
And in the pocket of his blue jeans was the recipe for Ambrosia.
Well, the enterprising father of the no longer maidenly young woman (who, fortunately, had taken Greek in high school) recognized this recipe for what it surely was, decided to share this wonderful drink — and make some money in the process — and since that day, we have had Mountain Dew here on earth.
The historian Dana (556f76) — 11/22/2008 @ 10:08 am_____________________________
I think it shows that Obama is letting the adults take charge (except for Holder).
If turning to Democrats like Hillary — akin to a flaky, bratty, immature school girl in her need to lie about, among other things, sniper fire in order to score Brownie points — is a sign of those within that party allowing the “adults to take charge,” than that doesn’t reflect very well on the overall group (including Obama) in question.
Mark (411533) — 11/22/2008 @ 11:11 ami like america came in here prepared to play the sexism card at the slightest provocation?
What were the odds?
Icy Truth (84d054) — 11/22/2008 @ 12:40 pm2008 Secretary of state
2012 Vice President
2016 President
Sounds like a plausible carreer path to me
BM (de6624) — 11/22/2008 @ 1:39 pmSeveral presidents also served as Secretary of State
Icy Truth (aedb2f) — 11/22/2008 @ 1:58 pmBut Hillary Clinton will never be amongst them.
The absolutely certain Dana (122638) — 11/22/2008 @ 2:08 pm#73:
Was the leisure suit any more “fashionable” for all its popularity?
Madison, Monroe, J.Q. Adams were all SecStates before becoming President. Until the Civil War, it was the recognized path to power to be appointed to State, a decision most presidents made first before others. The 1828 election even turned on what was perceived as the corrupt bargain of ’24, where Adams offered Stete to henry Clay, one of his rivals in the race, to edge out Andrew Jackson. Jackson voewed revenge on both men whom he despised for the rest of his days.
And, after all, State is #4 in the chain of presidential command, which now broadly boasts two women.
Baltimoron (649068) — 11/22/2008 @ 2:21 pmNo, it’s called the order of presidential succession, and it has already had two women in it for almost two years now. (Duh!)
Official Internet Data Office (7bfe1c) — 11/22/2008 @ 2:57 pm#75:
Thanks for reminding me. Five woman are currently in the order of succession.
I guess quotas have come to the US Cabinet.
Baltimoron (649068) — 11/22/2008 @ 5:32 pmI meant #95, not #75
Baltimoron (649068) — 11/22/2008 @ 5:57 pmBaltimoron: Quotae have come to the cabinet, courtesy of William Jefferson Clinton, who penciled in that a woman would be Attorney General, and he had to go through three of them before one could get confirmed.
I don’t know if Madeline Albright could be considered an Affirmative Action hire, but Condoleezza Rice certainly came up the ladder the hard, slow way.
The Dana who isn't always a sexist pig (556f76) — 11/23/2008 @ 4:37 amComment by The historian Dana — 11/22/2008 @ 10:08 am
Cuisine Revisionist!
(Mountain Dew???…oh, wait, I get it…I forgot you’re a bitter clinger from PA…now it all makes sense…)
Dana (594bf4) — 11/23/2008 @ 10:18 amRevisionist? Revisionist!? Nay, ’tis true, every word of it.
And you know that it’s true, because ’twas addressed to you, and, as I have told my darling bride many times, men never lie to women.
The extremely honest Dana (556f76) — 11/23/2008 @ 3:18 pmDana,
Just wanted to mention that I enjoy your descriptive names.
DRJ (a50047) — 11/23/2008 @ 3:22 pmDeceptive? How are they deceptive? They are completely honest in all respects, and at all times.
The extremely handsome Dana (556f76) — 11/23/2008 @ 5:31 pmOh, wait, you said descriptive,</i. didn’t you? Well, they’re that, too. 🙂
The dyslexic Dana (556f76) — 11/23/2008 @ 5:33 pmOh, fornicate it! I failed to close a tag!
The HTML Dana (556f76) — 11/23/2008 @ 5:34 pmI enjoy all of the Dana’s.
JD (5f0e11) — 11/23/2008 @ 6:07 pmWell thank you, JD. I, too, enjoy the Revisionist Dana but certainly hope that he soon accepts the cold blunt truth: if the best non-alcoholic drink Ἀθηνᾶ, the Goddess of Wisdom could come up with is – gag – Mt. Dew, then quite obviously she was no Goddess…and considering that just this week Mt. Dew’s parent company’s stock got neatly downgraded, well, Goddess my tush!
Dana (79a78b) — 11/23/2008 @ 6:20 pmDear non-adjectived Dana: Mountain Dew, that gift from the gods, contains both sugar and caffeine, two of the four main food groups — the other two being salt and cholesterol — and is thus an impostant part of a balanced diet.
I’m surprised your didn’t know that!
The nutritionist Dana (556f76) — 11/24/2008 @ 5:01 pm