Comments on: To 60, By Hook or By Crook http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/ Harangues that just make sense Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:36 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: BUM CAT http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-2/#comment-424471 BUM CAT Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:39:23 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424471 I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE STOLEN THE ELECTION AND THEY DID IT WITH A NO CREDENTIALS MORON. THE AMERICAN SHEEP WENT FOR IT. IDIOTS. I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE STOLEN THE ELECTION AND THEY DID IT WITH A NO CREDENTIALS MORON. THE AMERICAN SHEEP WENT FOR IT.

IDIOTS.

]]> By: Amphipolis http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424302 Amphipolis Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:35:38 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424302 <i>"We are not suing to have these in the count," said Franken's lead attorney, Marc Elias. "We are simply looking for the data so that we can identify people who were legal and lawful voters to ensure their ballots are counted."</i> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081113/D94E8FJ80.html So they're not doing that. They're simply doing... that. “We are not suing to have these in the count,” said Franken’s lead attorney, Marc Elias. “We are simply looking for the data so that we can identify people who were legal and lawful voters to ensure their ballots are counted.”
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081113/D94E8FJ80.html

So they’re not doing that. They’re simply doing… that.

]]> By: TimothyJ http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424283 TimothyJ Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:36:17 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424283 Run, Sarah, Run (From an old movie, if you are a kid). Run, Sarah, Run (From an old movie, if you are a kid).

]]> By: Amphipolis http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424259 Amphipolis Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:37:13 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424259 They don't need 60 votes, although I'm sure they would love them. They have enough votes to limit cloture to say 55 votes right now. They could slip a rule change through during the honeymoon in an avalanche of changes we can't fight all at once. Then it will be fait accompli, rolling it back would be thwarting the public will, maybe even racist. They would not be eliminating the filibuster, just altering it to more closely represent what Americans said they want. After all, they last changed it as recently as 1975. It is not set in stone. We can't let a few losers change the will of the people, can we? And then there is Lieberman and other moderates. No, far better to get rid of the onerous filibuster and work to ensure that the Republicans are never again in a position to benefit from its removal. Stack the Senate with DC Statehood and work to make elections are determined by friendly courts. Does their vision extend that far? Or, should I say - is Obama The One? They don’t need 60 votes, although I’m sure they would love them. They have enough votes to limit cloture to say 55 votes right now. They could slip a rule change through during the honeymoon in an avalanche of changes we can’t fight all at once. Then it will be fait accompli, rolling it back would be thwarting the public will, maybe even racist.

They would not be eliminating the filibuster, just altering it to more closely represent what Americans said they want. After all, they last changed it as recently as 1975. It is not set in stone.

We can’t let a few losers change the will of the people, can we?

And then there is Lieberman and other moderates. No, far better to get rid of the onerous filibuster and work to ensure that the Republicans are never again in a position to benefit from its removal. Stack the Senate with DC Statehood and work to make elections are determined by friendly courts.

Does their vision extend that far? Or, should I say – is Obama The One?

]]> By: Another Drew http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424246 Another Drew Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:20:31 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424246 Having Jimmah certify the honesty of an election falls on about the same level of having Al Capone referee a street-fight. Having Jimmah certify the honesty of an election falls on about the same level of having Al Capone referee a street-fight.

]]> By: MD in Philly http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424238 MD in Philly Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:03:10 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424238 <b>One. </b> Free advice to anyone officially involved from the Republican side. Get a professional statistician or two, maybe even faculty from Univ. of Minn, and have them calculate the probability of people "finding" a bunch of ballots only for Franken, or way out of proportion for him compared to the general election report (corrected for district, of course). The decide what probability counts as a "reasonable doubt", 1/100, 1/1000? The Dems like to say they base things on science. (Also keep track of ballots "found" before and after this gets posted for the libs to "correct"). <b>Two.</b> Believe it or not, Al Franken is a frequent guest reader on a PBS show for children. My chin almost hit the ground when I heard his name from the other room. I'll believe PBS's claim to be non-biased when I see Gov. Palin just as often. (I'm not holding my breath). <b>Three.</b> What should be our response if it seems clear that Franken stole the election (or someone steals it for him)? I know I'm dreaming (or being delusional), and all cries of "don't be a nutcase" aside, but I wonder how many hundred or thousand people would volunteer to be a human wall to keep the Sec. of State inside or outside of his office. Let's see all those who were doing campus sit-ins 40 years ago. If we go in a big enough crowd, rotate who is on the inside or outside of the pack, we could even stay warm. We could petition the Gov, for a pardon after all was said and done. <b>Four.</b> Yes, nk, there is a book entitled "If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat". But that assumes they didn't already cheat enough to make it close. (Where <i>is</i> Jimmy Carter when you need him to watch an election, anyway?) One. Free advice to anyone officially involved from the Republican side. Get a professional statistician or two, maybe even faculty from Univ. of Minn, and have them calculate the probability of people “finding” a bunch of ballots only for Franken, or way out of proportion for him compared to the general election report (corrected for district, of course). The decide what probability counts as a “reasonable doubt”, 1/100, 1/1000? The Dems like to say they base things on science. (Also keep track of ballots “found” before and after this gets posted for the libs to “correct”).

Two. Believe it or not, Al Franken is a frequent guest reader on a PBS show for children. My chin almost hit the ground when I heard his name from the other room. I’ll believe PBS’s claim to be non-biased when I see Gov. Palin just as often. (I’m not holding my breath).

Three. What should be our response if it seems clear that Franken stole the election (or someone steals it for him)? I know I’m dreaming (or being delusional), and all cries of “don’t be a nutcase” aside, but I wonder how many hundred or thousand people would volunteer to be a human wall to keep the Sec. of State inside or outside of his office. Let’s see all those who were doing campus sit-ins 40 years ago. If we go in a big enough crowd, rotate who is on the inside or outside of the pack, we could even stay warm. We could petition the Gov, for a pardon after all was said and done.

Four. Yes, nk, there is a book entitled “If It’s Not Close, They Can’t Cheat”. But that assumes they didn’t already cheat enough to make it close. (Where is Jimmy Carter when you need him to watch an election, anyway?)

]]> By: Another Drew http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424229 Another Drew Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:46:02 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424229 Gerrymandering... Yes, the way they've gerrymandered those Senate Districts is just criminal. Gerrymandering…
Yes, the way they’ve gerrymandered those Senate Districts is just criminal.

]]> By: Ed Wood http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424222 Ed Wood Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:36:11 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424222 I know the "conservatives" here want to see themselves as a rag-tag group of plucky freedom fighters trying to stave off the Lib Empire but you guys are sounding pretty paranoid. I'm with nk#43. Lose the incumbent. The districts here in Alabama are so blatantly and insanely gerrymandered that there is no "voting" for representatives. It's all a done deal. If a new guy can beat an entrenched incumbent (sorry, I think both their teams are doing everything they can to get as many "votes" counted as possible) then good on him/her. .....ok.... as long as the Dems don't get those 60 seats. This country has had enough unchecked 1 party government thanks. I know the “conservatives” here want to see themselves as a rag-tag group of plucky freedom fighters trying to stave off the Lib Empire but you guys are sounding pretty paranoid.

I’m with nk#43. Lose the incumbent. The districts here in Alabama are so blatantly and insanely gerrymandered that there is no “voting” for representatives. It’s all a done deal. If a new guy can beat an entrenched incumbent (sorry, I think both their teams are doing everything they can to get as many “votes” counted as possible) then good on him/her.

…..ok…. as long as the Dems don’t get those 60 seats. This country has had enough unchecked 1 party government thanks.

]]> By: nk http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424196 nk Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:45:31 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424196 The game is so stacked in favor of incumbents that I feel that if it is this close, the incumbent should lose. The game is so stacked in favor of incumbents that I feel that if it is this close, the incumbent should lose.

]]> By: Another Drew http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/to-60-by-hook-or-by-crook/comment-page-1/#comment-424195 Another Drew Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:42:37 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=17484#comment-424195 With their records on tax-compliance, SS will have a new best bud in Charlie Rangel! With their records on tax-compliance, SS will have a new best bud in Charlie Rangel!

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