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11/4/2008

Voter Intimidation: A Comparison

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 1:08 pm



[UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Welcome, Huffington Post readers. You have been lied to by Jason Linkins. This post is not how this blog reacted to Obama winning. If you truly want to see how we reacted, try reading this open letter to Obama. Or this post, in which I say that Obama is a good man trying to do what he thinks is right for the country.

Those are the posts Jason Linkins would have linked to if he were being honest with you. Thank you and have a nice day. — PATTERICO]

[Guest post by DRJ]

Republicans complained about voter intimidation in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania this morning. Via Hot Air, it turned out to be two Black Panthers – one with a nightstick – who were guarding the polling site doors and reportedly were intimidating voters.

Meanwhile, Democrats complained about voter intimidation in Sugar Land, Texas. Via the Houston Chronicle, it turned out to be “election monitors from the U.S. Department of Justice” who were there to ensure “a fair and open election.”

UPDATE: According to Tim Robbins, it’s intimidation if the poll workers can’t find your name on the voter list and ask you to move out of the way:

“On Real Time with Bill Maher last month, Robbins seemingly foresaw his fate when he urged thwarted voters to “refuse provisional ballots. They’re throwing those out. They can throw those out. If that’s your last resort, take it, but fight in the polling place to vote. It’s your right as an American.” And fight he did, even refusing to move at the behest of a poll worker who threatened to have an officer remove him. “Is this some kind of intimidation? I’m taking this as intimidation,” the Tapeheads star reportedly remarked.”

— DRJ

90 Responses to “Voter Intimidation: A Comparison”

  1. To Democrats, voting for other than Democrats is illegal, immoral, and justification for physical mayhem upon the non-Democrat. Also, ballotbox stuffing for Democrat is in their genes.

    PCD (7fe637)

  2. Having any type of law enforcement official within 10 miles of a polling place is prima facie evidence of voter intimidation. Threatening them with a nightstick, not so much.

    JD (5b4781)

  3. It was almost surreal to watch the reporting on the black panther dudes standing there. It seems the “leader” is quite a guy.

    Welcome to post-racial America!

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  4. DRJ – Can’t believe your taking any of these complaints at face value.

    Oiram (983921)

  5. So, Oiram, you have no issue with an armed thug standing outside a polling place?

    I know that’s a long-standing Democrat tradition (all that’s changed are the skin tones), but, really, wouldn’t it a nice tradition to end?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  6. I’m pretty sure it would be ill-received if I went down to my polling place similarly attired.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  7. Oiram – Did you bother to watch any of the video?

    JD (5b4781)

  8. That local Fox reporter went back and interviewed the New post-racial Black Panther that remained behind. It was priceless.

    JD (5b4781)

  9. #5 Fox News reports that voters complained of intimidation in Philadelphia when they saw a purported Black Panther poll watcher guarding the door to the polling station with a nightstick. Police apparently moved him along (transcript by TV Eyes):

    You expect me to take that serious?

    You probably were the first in line to take the backwards B burned into the McCain supporters face seriously too.

    Oiram (983921)

  10. #7 You caught me JD. I don’t watch video’s at work. sorry.

    Tell me what was on it please.

    Oiram (983921)

  11. This kind of story, where Democratic areas are shorted voting machines, are much more typical:

    http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/04/attempted-sabatoge-foiled-in-florida/

    snuffles (677ec2)

  12. I suppose the interview that the local Fox reporter did the with fucking New Black Panther member was a fake? The police were really not called out there. The US Army veteran that made the complaint was just a cowardly liar.

    JD (5b4781)

  13. you have no issue with an armed thug standing outside a polling place?

    The guy with the “nighstick” left. Another uniformed Black Panther was described by Fox News as a “certified poll watcher.”

    FNC’s Rick Leventhal: “There is no evidence any voter was denied entrance or there was an intimidation.”

    steve (3136d3)

  14. Snuffles, it always amazes me how Democrats blame Republicans for voting problems in areas where Democrats are running the elections boards.

    But, hey, if it can convince a judge to give poll workers more time to manufacture votes extend voting hours, any port in a storm, right?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  15. sniffles – You should complain to Dr. Brenda Snipes, Broward County Supervisor of Elections, a Democrat. Was she trying to disenfranchise her own people?

    This is such patent BS trolling. I waited in line for over 2 hours, with only 4 voting machines for our precinct. Was it a pain in the ass, yes. However, waiting in line is part of the process, and you fucking liars squeal about being disenfranchised every damn time, even when your own party is the one doing it.

    Dr. Brenda Snipes

    JD (5b4781)

  16. “There is no evidence any voter was denied entrance or there was an intimidation.”

    Except for the guy that called the police and made a complaint.

    Good Allah. Can you imagine if there were white guys with nightsticks standing in front of polling places in traditionally minority neighborhoods?

    JD (5b4781)

  17. The Republicans at the state level decide how many voting machines go to each county, Rob.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  18. The Republicans at the state level decide how many voting machines go to each county, Rob.

    Sure, they do, snuffles. And they must do this just minutes before the polls open, right? No one has ANY time to protest?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  19. The Republicans at the state level decide how many voting machines go to each county, Rob.

    Comment by snuffles — 11/4/2008 @ 2:04 pm

    Your link indicates that more voting machines were delivered.

    Looks like they tried to disenfranchise this guy too!

    Maybe you should get on the case!

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  20. sniffles – And the County Supervisor of Elections, Dr. Brenda Snipes, apparently thought that 1 precinct only needed 1 voting machine. One is not disenfranchised by having to wait to vote. Period.

    Does it surprise anyone that sniffles gets its news from TMZ?

    JD (5b4781)

  21. Talking Points Memo is casting doubt on the Philly story already.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  22. Umm…again, hate to pile on…but if you’re wanting to be taken seriously, a link to TMZ probably isn’t the best way to go.

    Chris (6733a5)

  23. So, snuffles thinks that the TMZ (hearsay) link trumps the Fox film? I’m guessing “snuffles” would like to “take” that stick.

    Got Balls (e5c232)

  24. And, for that matter, neither is Talking Points Memo.

    Chris (6733a5)

  25. Talking Points Memo is casting doubt on the Philly story already.

    No doubt. Pity there’s video.

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  26. If the democrats get their way, soon it will be hard to tell the New Black Panthers and Obama’s justice department apart.

    Change!

    ML (14488c)

  27. What does the video show though? I didn’t see anyone intimidated or turned away. The guy on Fox admitted he went in and voted. Someone claims those guys actually kept anyone from entering, you have a story.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  28. Who are you going to believe, Josh Marshall or your lying eyes?

    Techie (62bc5d)

  29. Okay, I’ll bite. Isn’t the mere presence of Black Panthers with billy clubs standing around outside intimidating on its face? I sure think it is…but that’s probably because I’m racist or something. (Never mind the fact that I’d think the same thing about some white Hells’ Angels doing precisely the same thing.)

    Chris (6733a5)

  30. #27 I didn’t see anyone intimidated or turned away.

    Jeeze, seriously? A Black Panther in paramilitary garb, tapping a night-stick in his palm, planted front of the doors to a polling place and backed up by another guy similarly garbed isn’t intimidating?

    It’s clearly intended to scare away white people. Whether or not it succeeded, it still was intended to keep people away from the polls who might otherwise want to go in there.

    That you pretend otherwise is shameful.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  31. Didn’t really seem intimidating to me if you see the video, people are milling around freely and the guys were just standing there. I won’t call it intimidation unless someone claims they were intimidated. The cops did properly ask the one guy who wasn’t an official poll watcher to leave, but there’s no proof any actual harm was done.

    Just as I won’t claim these Republicans in Indiana (2:54 pm item) actually kept anyone from voting. What they were doing was also wrong, the cops made them leave, but I don’t see actual intimidation until someone steps up and claims they were intimidated.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  32. Chris – Consdier yourself denounced.

    Aplomb – So this is acceptable because he went ahead and voted? This is such standard election day bullshit from Dems. The only actual intimidation and fraud is conducted by the Dems, yet the Dems and the media act like it is some kind of Republican plot (like sniffles tried to do upthread). It is dishonest, at best.

    JD (5b4781)

  33. The same Fox reporter who arrived after the “nightstick” Panther left, said the other one was a “certified poll watcher.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwAsjErHeU&eurl=http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

    steve (3136d3)

  34. Aplomb – The gentleman that called the police felt intimidated.

    JD (5b4781)

  35. This is ridiculous. I said early on, in another thread, that the Left would ignore this out of hand because it was one of their own, and Fox reported it.

    JD (5b4781)

  36. Hmmmm….so apparently to some people, showing up in racist paramilitary costume is A-OK on Election Day!

    I’ll keep that in mind when I see someone dressed as a Nazi or a Klansman that I shouldn’t protest or anything.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  37. So, because the guy with the nightstick had already been removed from the scene by the cops before the reporter arrived, it did not happen?

    JD (5b4781)

  38. Pious – It is not racist to do things like that in service of Teh Narrative.

    JD (5b4781)

  39. There was intimidation and that is why the cops were called. A white observer was denied entrance by the bozo with the stick. I guess maybe the white dude was a racist for thinking that two black dudes dressed up in monkey suits, and one holding a stick could possible be a threat.

    Got Balls (e5c232)

  40. JD: did he? I heard him expressly say he wasn’t scared. He certainly wasn’t intimidated from voting. He just assumed others were intimidated.

    I’m just asking for a claim someone was actually intimidated enough not to vote.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  41. JD – Yes, I know. Plus, minorities can’t be considered racist because they don’t have the political power to act upon their race hatred.

    Blah, blah, blah. I hate these PoMo MoFo’s.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  42. The guy on Fox admitted he went in and voted.

    The guy interviewed was called “a Republican poll watcher.”

    He was making sure actual voters did not feel intimidated.

    steve (3136d3)

  43. Aplomb – if they were intimidated and left, obviously they wouldn’t be around to be interviewed. If they waited around until the thug was chased away by the police, they probably went in and voted.

    What you claim you want is a report by somebody who ran home shaking, and then called up after the polls closed to complain. Since the polls haven’t closed anywhere yet, that’d be kind of hard to provide, wouldn’t it?

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  44. I got a call from “Democratic Women of Collin County” (Plano, TX) advising me to vote at a polling site that wasn’t in my precinct. I’m sure it was an innocent robocall error (we live right at a precinct and county boundary) and I hope it confused Democrats living in our precinct.

    The Republicans at the state level decide how many voting machines go to each county

    No, they don’t. Florida’s Dept of State certifies polling systems for use in the counties, but each county budgets for and deploys its own polling systems.

    furious (56af6d)

  45. Aplomb… do you hold all claims of voter intimidation and disenfrancisement to the same low standard? Do you demand prove that some voter was duped into voting before condemning one of those perennial: “McCain voters, vote Tuesday; Obama voters have been given until Wednesday to vote” e-mails? What about when people talk about announcing that police will be at polling places enforcing warrants? Do you say that’s ok, as long as nobody admits to being too intimidated to vote?

    Two thugs standing in front of the polling place, clearly supporting one of the candidates in the race, one carrying a night club… that’s intimidation, no matter how you look at it.

    PatHMV (653160)

  46. This is pretty weak beer for an election day “surprise.”

    Chalk it up to another fanciful Fox “News” story and go vote.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  47. So, snuffles, when confronted with video, puts its fingers in its ears and goes LALALALALACANTHEARYOUCANTHEARYOUFAUXNEWSFAUXNEWS

    Techie (62bc5d)

  48. I guess I’m too sensitive. Maybe those two nice young gentleman were “volunteers” for Obama’s planned “civilian force”. I just love a man in uniform!

    Got Balls (e5c232)

  49. Look everyone, I’m not trying to be a dick about this. I could certainly see how someone could have been intimidated by those guys. And I agree the one with the club who wasn’t a poll watcher should not have been there. And I agree that the probable intent was to intimidate non-Obama voters. And I agree the cops should have been called, as happened.

    I’m just saying so far there is no evidence they kept anyone from voting. Until that happens, I see it as an attempt to intimidate, which is wrong, but not an incident where anyone was actually denied a vote based on current information.

    I don’t see evidence that those Republicans in Indiana kept anyone from actually voting either. Just as wrong as an attempt to intimidate or wrongfully challenge voters, but so far no evidence they actually denied someone a vote.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  50. Personally, I’m more impressed with the report from three states that compared voter rolls and learned that thousands of state residents were registered in more than one state and had voted in more then one. Vote fraud in the thousands and these are votes, not registration alone.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  51. In the video it was reported the black Panthers told the republican that called the police “not to come outside, tonight a black man was going to be president no matter what and they are tried of white supremacy”. While tapping the night stick in his hand.

    Voter intimidation?
    Not unless intimidation means threatening someone with violence if they don’t comply to your wishes.

    ML (14488c)

  52. #49 Aplomb, you only saw video for the extent of time the Fox News team and the Penn Student were at the polling place. You can’t say for certain that white voters weren’t menaced and frightened away when cameras weren’t there. Absence of evidence DNE evidence of absence.

    And given the secret ballot, how do you know a registered voter wasn’t intimidated and didn’t vote?

    furious (56af6d)

  53. Aplomb wrote: What does the video show though? I didn’t see anyone intimidated or turned away. The guy on Fox admitted he went in and voted. Someone claims those guys actually kept anyone from entering, you have a story.

    Bull, horse, chicken! Dems were screaming about intimidation of blacks in 2000 in Florida that had no basis in fact, and three years afterward, they were reviving disproved rumors to gin up outrage if John Kerry lost in Ohio.

    National Review‘s Peter Kirsanow — one of those black guys who liberals despise because he rejects victimization — clarified the situation (bold his):

    There’s absolutely no evidence that a single person was intimidated, harassed, or prevented from voting by Florida law-enforcement officials.

    Despite claims of rampant police intimidation and harassment, the only evidence of law-enforcement “misconduct” consisted of just two witnesses who described their perceptions of the actions of the Florida highway patrol. One of these witnesses testified that he thought it was “unusual” to see an empty patrol car parked outside a polling place. There was no evidence that sight of the vehicle somehow intimidated the witness or any other voters from casting ballots. There was no evidence that the erstwhile occupant of the vehicle harassed voters. There was no evidence that the empty vehicle was there for the purpose of somehow disenfranchising anyone assigned to vote at that location.

    The second witness had filed a highly publicized complaint with the NAACP regarding a police motor-vehicle checkpoint. In the hysterical recount period following the election, the complaint took on a life of its own and apparently became part of the basis for the legend that legions of cops were harassing thousands of black voters throughout Florida.

    The evidence, however, shows that the checkpoint in question was two miles from the polling place. Moreover, it was not even on the same road as the polling facility. During the checkpoint’s approximately 90 minutes of operation, citations for faulty equipment were issued to 16 individuals, twelve of whom were white. The incontrovertible evidence shows that no one was delayed or prohibited from voting due to the lone checkpoint.

    Now, what’s more intimidating, Aplomb? An empty patrol car parked outside a polling place, or two black men in military garb standing near the entrance, one carrying a stick made to beat people with?

    Kirsanow has my utmost respect because he had to serve on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights alongside Chairperson Mary Frances Berry, as toxic an individual as I have ever seen. She fought Kirsanow’s appointment to the commission by GWB because she wanted another sycophant to replace the Clinton appointee that was termed out. When a suit failed to stop Kirsanow from being seated on the panel, on his first day she invoked meeting rules to prevent him from speaking, and wouldn’t even refer to him by name.

    I was watching live on C-SPAN and watched Kirsanow sat politely. I would have left my seat before hitting a septuagenarian woman in what’s left of her teeth.

    L.N. Smithee (a0b21b)

  54. Furious: I don’t know someone wasn’t intimidated and didn’t vote. But so far no one has claimed that actually happened. It certainly could have. That’s why I acknowledge what they were doing was improper and the cops properly chased that one guy off. But I don’t know if a vote or votes were actually denied any more than you do, in this case or in the case of the Indiana republicans.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  55. According to Tim Robbins, it’s intimidation if the poll workers can’t find your name on the list. Imagine what he would think if the poll worker were carrying a nightstick.

    DRJ (8b9d41)

  56. Aplomb can usually be somewhat reasonable. This is not one of those times. Were this situation to have been done to blacks by the KKK, the Dems and the media howling would be deafening. They are still complaining about imagined intimidation in FL 2000. I have to believe that aplomb is being ludicrous intentionally.

    Tim Robbins is a git.

    JD (5f0e11)

  57. FWIW – Indiana polls have closed, but the results will be really late as Lake County, a franchise of the Cook County machine, will not tabulate and report until they know how many votes Baracky needs.

    JD (5f0e11)

  58. OT:

    One of Patterico’s guest bloggers, Justin Levine, has a new post up about free speech, and he’s in favor of it, but he’s not allowing any comments.

    Official Internet Data Office (df6254)

  59. It is racist to even discuss intimidation or fraud.

    JD (5f0e11)

  60. Barackkk’s new poll watchers – change that beats the opposition.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  61. #59 JD, Don’t you mean sexist?

    Oiram (983921)

  62. OIDO – That is what Justin does.

    JD (5f0e11)

  63. No, Mario. I meant racist. Had I meant sexist, I would have typed sexist.

    JD (5f0e11)

  64. I dunno. Justice Department election monitors would intimidate me a lot more than Black Panthers would. I would never shoot a Justice Department election monitor were he try to stop me from voting.

    nk (95bfab)

  65. #63 LOL

    Oiram (983921)

  66. I don’t know someone wasn’t intimidated and didn’t vote. But so far no one has claimed that actually happened.

    IANAL, but it strikes me that voter intimidation is one of those crimes that doesn’t require an actual victim. It’s like public indecency — the behavior is sufficient.

    The intent was certainly there.

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  67. To Democrats, voting for other than Democrats is illegal, immoral, and justification for physical mayhem upon the non-Democrat. Also, ballotbox stuffing for Democrat is in their genes.

    Comment by PCD — 11/4/2008 @ 1:11 pm

    You wish that were true but it is not. I voted almost straight ticket Democratic this election and I don’t believe that at all.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  68. Hey how many straws are there left to grasp for McCainers?

    Oiram (983921)

  69. How come when Democrats complain about a police car near a polling place that’s a sign of voter intimidation, but when Republicans complain about a Black Panther standing with a billy club at the entrance to a polling place, it’s overreaction?

    Steverino (647a08)

  70. Steverino – It is because we are racists.

    tnj is bringing its usual jackassery.

    JD (5f0e11)

  71. Even if Obama were to win every state, every electoral vote, and a vast majority of the popular vote, it would still be wrong to intimidate voters in the way described in this post.

    I know that it’s different for some of the trolls around here, but some of us care about the right and wrong.

    Here’s how to decode what we think: “wrong” is not “OK” when it’s on our side. “Wrong” is “wrong” no matter which side it’s on. And while there may be some of it on “our” side (which we will disavow because, you know, we’re the good guys and so those guys are “wrong), the vast majority of this crap happens on “your” side.

    I know it’s difficult to follow that, but trying to change the subject with comments like “Hey how many straws are there left to grasp for McCainers?” just indicates (to us) that you realize that you are on the “wrong” side of the argument and just trying to distract.

    Pious Agnostic (b2c3ab)

  72. Pious – Well said.

    JD (5f0e11)

  73. 49.

    Look everyone, I’m not trying to be a dick about this.

    Yes, you are.

    An election monitor interviewed on local Philly radio reported that a number of people were observed to turn around and leave the area: when checking with the poll judges they reported that only about a third of the locations registrants had voted at 3pm, which they described as “unusual” for that location; apparently the self appointed doormen intimidated not only whites but blacks as well.

    The election monitor mentioned elections she had monitored in South America and the Middle East, with Philly coming off badly in comparison with the shenanigans she observed today.

    EW1(SG) (1ba695)

  74. By aplomb’s standard, Ron and Nicole were not murdered because nobody was convicted.

    JD (5f0e11)

  75. Pious Agnostic is correct (#71).

    This behavior is inexcusable. My surprise is that so many are willing to dismiss/excuse/ignore it simply because (in this instance) this behavior supports their particular candidate.

    Armed men (who are members of a self-described militant faction) at the entrance of a polling station are a threat to our fellow citizens and an assault on democracy.

    As American citizens, is this really the road we wish to travel? For those who support Senator Obama, is this really the way they wish to win?

    Please do not dismiss it (it’s just on Fox news, so it isn’t true/important), excuse it (no explicit evidence of a crime), or ignore it (it isn’t on CNN, so I don’t have to worry).

    Immoral behavior is dishonest behavior; for the intelligent, moral person, there is no justification for these activities.

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)

  76. Pons and Pious sre far more kind than the trolls deserve.

    JD (5f0e11)

  77. Comment by Pious Agnostic — 11/4/2008 @ 4:04 pm

    But, the question is, is this behavior in the “Main Stream”?

    Another Drew (184a22)

  78. For all of you saying that this was NOT intimidation-
    What would be your reaction if this had been 2 “Uniformed” KKK members with one of them holding a ball bat? Just standing there. And one of them being a “certified poll watcher”.
    Lets see how many of you can be honest and objective.

    Thorolf (afbcb2)

  79. Hey,

    Jackass… How about all those fliers that told people that democrats vote on the 5th. Stop with your ridiculous shit. Are you really that stupid to believe this one isolated instance had an effect on the entire state? Are you kidding me? Get a fucking clue.

    james (281781)

  80. In 2000 when there were election challenges in Florida, Al Gore was called Sore Loserman.

    I’m just watching the shoe put itself on the other foot right now.

    a. mcewen (0ea9d1)

  81. In 2000 when there were election challenges in Florida, Al Gore was called Sore Loserman.

    I’m just watching the shoe put itself on the other foot right now.

    You mean that McCain is suing to try to steal the Presidency? I missed that.

    JD (008a90)

  82. If you’re wondering where the idiot trolls are coming from: it’s the Huffington Post. Apparently they decided to choose this post as an example of conservatives reacting to Obama’s victory, even though this is not a post reacting to Obama’s victory, and even though there are other posts on this blog that are.

    In other words, the HuffPo blogger is lying. Whaddya know about that?

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  83. You lost deal with it.

    blackadpet (cf4501)

  84. Racist

    JD (008a90)

  85. I’ve read majority of your posts. I actually voted at said polling place. I am mixed(white mother, black father), the alleged “New Black Panther Party” men who stood outside only crime was not greeting white voters. They completely ignored my mother and two sisters walking into the polling place, but gave a hand shake and a Good Evening My Brother, to my father. Were these two guys assholes? YES. intimidating people? Not in the least.

    MissDrea (ab5eef)

  86. Dear James:

    I am not certain what argument you are trying to make: a) two wrongs make a right, b) a wrong that does not affect everyone is not a wrong, or c) you do not understand why intimidation is wrong.

    In short:
    a) Your proposition is morally illogical.
    b) If one or more of our fellow citizens is intimidated from voting, it is an attack on all of us (E Pluribus Unum – out of Many, One).
    c) Cannot help you here.

    Resorting to specious rhetoric (and offensive stereotypes of people that you do not know) is the hallmark of someone insecure in his ideas and intellectually unable to argue in a logical manner; similar to the definition of a bigot.

    Knowledge, learning, and tolerance may be able to overcome your deficient moral capacity and it is my hope that you might someday acquire these qualities.

    Good luck to you James—

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)

  87. Dear A. Mcewen (#80):

    You say: “In 2000 when there were election challenges in Florida, Al Gore was called Sore Loserman.”

    Al Gore was a sore loser (although I am unfamiliar with the term “Loserman”).

    Please contrast his behavior to Senator McCain’s behavior.

    Like Senator McCain, I too believe we must support President-elect Obama (and I do).

    However, I will ALWAYS refuse to support voter intimidation regardless of which candidate/party benefits (or even if there is no benefit, as is the case here). Our most sacred principle as Americans is the right to vote (and all that that implies – i.e. without intimidation).

    An armed man in the uniform of a militant organization at a polling place is wrong (now, forever, and always).

    As a fellow American, I trust you would join me in condemning this intimidation.

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)

  88. Pons – Your trust, while honorable, is misplaced.

    JD (008a90)

  89. Hi JD—

    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Quick stroy:
    Two soldiers, they hate each other. Platoon sergeant places them on the same foxhole detail. Nighttime. RPG falls into the foxhole. Does not detonate, but smoking. One soldier dives on the RPG to prevent the concussion blast and shrapnel for getting the other. Turns out the RPG is a dud, both live. Today, they are best friends and inseparable. Weird how that works.

    Sorta happened on 9/11 nation-wide.

    Didn’t last though. Weird how that works.

    Calling it a night JD—thanks again for all your kind words, take care–

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)

  90. Dear MissDrea (#85):

    When I read your post, I was struck by three thoughts: surprise, fascination, and a question.

    My surprise was the originality of your thoughts. Normally I see repetitive drivel (moral inconsistencies (#79), stereotypical responses (#80), simplistic platitudes (#83), etc) devoid of logic or originality. Like a mantra that if said over and over; it becomes true. Your antidote, however was nothing of the sort and strikes me as genuine and true.

    I was fascinated because I learned something (or I think I did anyway); probably the Black Panther members were there because they were worried about voter intimidation. How ironic.

    A question for you: should not all voters have the courtesy of being allowed to vote without a man armed with a club acting as a “greeter”?

    I wish you well MissDrea. Regards to your parents (for what it’s worth, it seems to me they did a great job)–

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)


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