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11/4/2008

Good Luck to the President-Elect

Filed under: General — Alex @ 8:23 pm

[Posted by JRM]

An open letter, posted by guest poster JRM:

Dear Senator Obama:

Congratulations on becoming the President-Elect. You ran a solid campaign, defeating two more experienced political rivals on the way. Well done.

The time for rejoicing over the victory will soon end, and you’ll be facing hard decisions. My fellow Republicans — even the lightly squishy McCain-supporters like myself — will be objecting strenuously to very many of the things you’ll do.

I’d like you to nominate John Roberts clones to the Supreme Court, reduce government spending, take advance action on the impending entitlements disaster, and be a vigilant hawk on foreign policy.

That’s not happening.

So, I’d like to ask you for some things that you’ve promised, on your terms. In return, I — and many like me — will respectfully but vigorously fight your plans. When you’re the president, the quid pro quo isn’t all that good.

Here’s what you can do, consistent with your promises:

1. Nominate smart judges and justices. Don’t go see if you can find the Harriet Miers of the left. Find the next David Souter. Process through some of the Republican judges in lower federal courts who deserve to be there.

2. Loyalty, schmoyalty. People you can get along with will be easier to work with, but people who know what they are talking about are better. There’s been a lot of anti-elite propaganda from both sides; show us that you want what’s best for all people by consulting with elite-level economists and foreign policy advisors.

3. Don’t be a crook. While many of us have grave doubts about your selection of friends and associates, there are plenty of us who think that’s bad judgment, rather than you being a bad guy. Don’t replicate Bill Clinton’s foray into morally turpitudinous felonies; some of us would be very, very disappointed.

3a. Don’t keep crooks on. We need no more Sandy Bergers.

4. Remember that we’re all Americans. You promised to be inclusive of Americans regardless of race or gender or religion or lack of religion. I’m not asking you to shut off the proposed funding programs you have for women and minorities, but I’m just asking that you consider the effect of every program on every American.

5. Be right. The best part of Ronald Reagan, for many of us, wasn’t his right-wing viewpoint but rather that he was so frequently right. Early on in his presidency, PATCO — the air traffic controllers — thought it would be a good idea to illegally strike, in direct contravention of their oath to not strike.

The pragmatic concerns were that firing them all would lead to airport gridlock and a shutdown of the economy. The controllers declined an 11% raise, struck, and got fired. This was the high-risk move for those who weren’t aware of the whole situation, but Reagan was right.

The Bush II administration made statements that they believed the post-overthrow occupation of Iraq would be relatively easy despite plenty of historical lessons available. Bush II was wrong.

Many have compared your soaring oratory to Reagan’s; given the voting patterns, I expect that many voted for Ronald Reagan and you. Competence is a big deal, and we want you to be competent.

6. Make your programs work. You’ve got an enormous increase in government-funded community service coming down the pike. I view this as a program that is severely misguided, but if you’re going to do it — and we know you are — make it work. Make results matter. Make these agencies less politicized.

7. Remember that working matters. Reagan’s welfare-to-work programs worked; I personally met a 22-year-old recovering meth addict who got clean and got a job answering phones through that program. Spreading the wealth around is what you promised to do, but try to prevent the perverse incentives that can occur.

8. Remember that people in power will lie. Notably, other heads of state will actually lie to you. “We accidentally tested a nuclear weapon across the border in Israel; whoopsie!” No, no, if people want to mess with the U.S. and its allies, you have to take a position. If that position is to crush them, I’m all for that. If it is to become an isolationist, I’m against that — but it’s a consistent position.

What we’re asking you not to do is engage in the Clintonian “We are warning you that if you do that again we will warn you a second time, and even more sternly.” Do not threaten without the intent to carry it out. Do not cave in to evil. Do not believe them when they lie to you.

9. Moderate a little. You said you were a moderate Democrat in the general election; we don’t really believe that. We think you’re farther left than you say. But, please, keep that pledge that you’ll be moderate. Redistribution of wealth is a matter of degree; you needn’t go whole hog in eating the rich.

10. Kill a bunch of useless programs. Many of us said we didn’t believe you when you said you weren’t the type of Democrat to kill any government programs. Prove us wrong. Veto bills which fund unsuccessful government programs. You don’t have a line-item, but you’ve got a Congress that will work with you and the pull to kill things that don’t work.

Here’s what we’ll do for you in return:

1. We’ll acknowledge that you’re the President of the United States, that you got the job fairly and properly, and that you want to do the right thing.

2. We’ll shun anyone who believes personal harm to you is a good way to prevent your policies from coming in. For that matter, we’ll shun anyone who believes personal harm to you is a good idea for any reason.

3. We’ll try to stop the programs that look like boondoggles before they start. Once they start, we’ll try to make them work as efficiently as possible.

4. We’re not all moving to Costa Rica or anything; we don’t view this as the end of civilization. We’re going to try to make this country a better place. We’ll keep farming, working, raising families, and petting puppies. Sometimes, we’ll like you.

5. We’ll fight for what we believe is right. The free-market folks will fight. The small-government folks will fight. We’ll point out how the programs aren’t working. We’ll point out the long-term harm. And in all likelihood, we’ll try to get a viable candidate to send you on the lecture circuit in 2012.

Finally: Don’t die. We’ve met Joe Biden.

Senator Obama, once again, congratulations. Try to do what you promised, and we’ll both respect and push back.

It is time to be the president.

Stand up, sir, and lead.

Sincerely,

A Republican

— JRM

122 Responses to “Good Luck to the President-Elect”

  1. I think I can agree with that. (It could be the Sam Adams talking.)

    Techie (62bc5d)

  2. One other thing: Don’t make us listen to that obnoxious, self-centered wife of yours.

    Cicero (6a232a)

  3. But if it is for the public good, let us resign ourselves. It’s an old saying that our absurdest and maddest decrees always somehow turn out for our good. May it be so in this case, oh gods, oh venerable Pallas! But I must be off; so, good-bye to you!

    –Aristophanes

    Fritz (9cc64f)

  4. I’m prepared to give Barack Obama a chance.

    After all, we have no idea whatsoever where he stands on any of the issues.

    It’s possible that he will be a reasonable fellow.

    I will hold out hope for that.

    Daryl Herbert (4ecd4c)

  5. Nicely done JRM.

    Aplomb (b6fba6)

  6. I will hope that Baracky will change his mind about nearly all of his positions.

    JD (5b4781)

  7. Hey, I’m glad I signed you up as a guest blogger. That was nicely done.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  8. I hope that you won’t be vindictive like Hillary, but you’ve already shown that part of your character by booting the unfavorable newspapers off the campaign plane. Makes you a black Nixon, in my book. How about passing a law mandating voter ID at the polls?

    Jerry (ca42ba)

  9. I think you meant “were the type of Democrat” in #10. I.E. we didn’t believe him when he said he IS a Dem who will cut useless programs, otherwise the whole point doesn’t make sense.

    Anwyn (a130c1)

  10. So does this mean that college application essays are no longer written by victims?

    Kate (8556d5)

  11. Hey JRM, I see you’re “Alex” now too.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  12. You are just wistling past the grave yard….and when he does none of those things? What then?

    This will be a bad thing for America and the world. I woulnd’t plan on visiting Israel any time in the future.

    I would suggest that anyone in the armed forces resign as soon as legally possible. Obama is happy to prevent members of the armed forces from voting, as are all democrats.

    I’ll bet money that Obama will kill more members of the armed forces than Bush did.

    And Pat, I hope you really get your money’s worth with all of those extra tax dollars going to the UN, and then to the corrupt political leaders of every third world nation.

    Hell, Obama’s civilian defense force is probably planning on shutting down your blog as I write.

    Jack (d9cbc5)

  13. Obama,

    Suprise me.

    That is all.

    Techie (62bc5d)

  14. “Surprise”

    Too much Sam Adams.

    Techie (62bc5d)

  15. Senator Al Franken? Please, no. Nicely said JRM. President Obama. I’m already used to it, sorta.

    Chris (cefe13)

  16. JRM, very nice. Let me know how this turns out. I won’t be able to tell because nobody knows what another person is dreaming. We can only hear them mumbling in their sleep.

    Nice dream though.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  17. Of course, I posted on another thread that I hoped President Obama would have the hardest time of his life getting his program enacted. From what we know of our Republican leadership… maybe I’m the one who’s dreaming.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  18. Well done, JRM :-)

    There’s certainly a reason this is my favorite political blog on the Internet, despite the times I fervently disagree with the posters. I’m not even looking at Malkin or LGF for at least a week.

    But you guys have kept my faith in America strong, regardless of who is elected the to the executive branch — something that probably wouldn’t have occurred for an undecided-leaning-Republican in 2000 or 2004 on the first Tuesday in November.

    Phil (3b1633)

  19. Like I have said many times on this great blog, we can only wish for the best under a Barack Obama Presidency. He has something for everyone. He is black, he is white. He is liberal, he is conservative. He is old, he is young. He is religious, he is secular. He represents everything we are today. I have hope, yes, hope that everything’s gonna be alright!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  20. JRM Your “Joe the Plumber” style vetting will begin tomorrow.

    But your words were very well done, as others have already pointed out.

    TC (0b9ca4)

  21. We’ll fight for what we believe is right.

    Absolutely! And hopefully with grace, dignity and some serious brass.

    Dana (79a78b)

  22. he is conservative.

    No, he most certainly is not.

    Dana – The serious brass part has been lacking, top down, for some time now.

    JD (5b4781)

  23. love2008, if you start singing We Are the World, I am so out of here.

    Dana (79a78b)

  24. “Because of what we did on this day… change is coming to America.” President Elect Barack Obama

    God help us.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  25. “It’s possible that he will be a reasonable fellow.
    I will hold out hope for that.”

    Ah, Daryl, You are so gracious. And such a fool.

    MikeD (7786da)

  26. We’re not all moving to Costa Rica or anything; we don’t view as the end of civilization.

    Makes me think of all the Hollywood liberals who’ve threatened through the years to move to Canada or Europe if the US elected (or re-elected) a conservative—btw, notice how those celebs have never threatened to move to a country like Mexico, India or Egypt? I guess they’re gonna want to stick around a bit longer with their guy in the White House.

    Mark (411533)

  27. if you start singing We Are the World, I am so out of here.

    Dana – Thank you for making me laugh on this less than stellar evening.

    Mark – Notice how none of them actually moved?

    JD (5b4781)

  28. Am truly glad the Obama supporters are happy. They fought a fight and won it.

    Am disappointed, but…mostly very, very grieved for unborn children. AFter January 20 they will no longer have a defender, nor anyone who cares in the least about them, in the White House.

    Assuming he’s a quick study about the terrorist threat, the rest of us, with the grace of God, whatever other things happen domestically, will at least survive. That’s not true of these threatened children, and it’ll be promoted and defended by this President. And for that I….can’t say how upset I am. Will pray for his conversion in the abortion arena.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  29. Thanks “no one you know”. I wish I knew you.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  30. noyk – You will have better luck praying that you win the lottery.

    JD (5b4781)

  31. NOYK,

    You know I’m with you on this issue. I repeat myself from #21,

    We’ll fight for what we believe is right.

    Absolutely! And hopefully with grace, dignity and some serious brass.

    Dana (79a78b)

  32. President Elect Obama’s acceptance speech was probably the best one he’s delivered, and one of the best I’ve ever heard.

    I wish I could believe it.

    But I don’t.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  33. I don’t believe either, but I still voted for him, BC.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  34. noyk – You will have better luck praying that you win the lottery.

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:12 pm

    How interesting that you chose that analogy. If I had a choice between winning the lottery and ensuring that unborn children will be protected I’d choose the latter, no thought required. I can’t know each voter’s reasons but I strongly suspect that many voted because they see Obama winning as either a metaphorical or a literal lottery win, a la Peggy Joseph:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=381gFG4Crr8

    and the unborn children got thrown under the bus to make room for that win.

    This is probably not the time to rain on the Obama supporters’ parade. But I trust they’ll understand. Am not talking about benefits for myself, but a group that should get the “justice” that the liberals so rightly talk about, but somehow got forgotten in this instance.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  35. Absolutely! And hopefully with grace, dignity and some serious brass.

    Comment by Dana — 11/4/2008 @ 9:16 pm

    Yep. With God’s help, we will.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  36. noyk – I chose that analogy.

    JD (5b4781)

  37. Snuffles, thanks for the comment. Probably more than anything else you’ve written on this blog that one speaks volumes.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  38. noyk – I chose that analogy.

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:22 pm

    Yes, I know you did. Good one.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  39. I will afford this illegitimate president the exact same amount of respect and support that the demoncraps did President Bush: not one damn bit, see how they like having their Manchurian candidate being called Obama/Osama.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  40. noyk – This is going to be a long 2 years.

    JD (5b4781)

  41. He’s a monster. Sorry if some refrain from joining the love fest. But extreme grisly abortion practices, lying, stomping free speech, stealing millions, credit card fraud… God help us.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  42. There is nothing illegitimate about Baracky’s election. There are individual aspects that deserve further scrutiny (ACORN, intimidation, fundraising), but nothing illegitimate about his having been elected. Don’t be like them.

    JD (5b4781)

  43. I don’t remember the episode—I’m only half-nerd—but there is a great line from the original “Star Trek” that is relevant.

    Spock is supposed to be married to another Vulcan woman. It was an arranged thing, and she wanted to marry someone else. So she manipulates the whole thing into a weird battle royale that culminates in a duel between Spock and Kirk.

    Anyway, at the resolution, Spock releases the woman from her bond, and gives the “new guy” a sound piece of advice:


    “You may find that wanting is not quite the same thing as having.”

    I hope that President-Elect Obama deals with the realities of the office well. For all of our sakes.

    Eric Blair (a723e0)

  44. ( ACORN, intimidation, fundraising )

    ^ It can easily be viewed as a paid coup.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  45. I will afford this illegitimate president the exact same amount of respect and support that the demoncraps did President Bush: not one damn bit, see how they like having their Manchurian candidate being called Obama/Osama.

    Let’s fight Obama and the Dems on policy, not on personality. There is absolutely no upside to focusing on the latter.

    I’ll still refer to President-elect Obama as The Dear Leader, however, especially if he continues his curious habit of trying to freeze out any and all dissent.

    JVW (8a718e)

  46. Turn about is fair play. See how his popularity takes a hit with constant ragging. And no, he is not legitimate, a bastard he was born and a bastard he is. His mother was not legally married to his father, due to his father already being married to another woman at the time.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  47. [object]… the oceans already begin to subside!

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  48. VN – One can view it that way, but it will not help to solve the problems that led us to the point where Baracky became a more viable candidate than John McCain. Lots of things had to go wrong prior to arriving at this point, and they did. The Republicans will have to learn some hard lessons. A long time ago, I wrote that I thought the best thing for the Republicans would be for the Dems to kick their ass, so they could revisit their roots and their past success. I changed my mind, when the Dems nominated Baracky. However, claiming that Baracky is illegitimate or other such nonsense will get the Republicans nowhere. This election was lost long before today. It was lost when a statist like McCain was nominated. It was lost when the Republican party lost touch with its fundamental roots.

    JD (5b4781)

  49. What did I miss?

    Did something important happen today?

    daleyrocks (60704b)

  50. “You may find that wanting is not quite the same thing as having.”

    I am a full-blown Star Trek nerd, Eric, and you didn’t quite get it right (just to establish my bona fides, the line is from the episode “Amok Time”). The line is actually this: “You may find that having is not quite the same as wanting.”

    JVW (8a718e)

  51. The one thing that needs to be fixed, but probably won’t, is the ability to raise funds on the internet through unverified credit card transactions.

    And this is an excellent post, JRM. Or Alex. Whoever you are, it was well said.

    DRJ (cb68f2)

  52. The one thing that needs to be fixed, but probably won’t, is the ability to raise funds on the internet through unverified credit card transactions.

    Not only will it not get fixed, it will not even get investigated.

    JD (5b4781)

  53. However, claiming that Baracky is illegitimate or other such nonsense will get the Republicans nowhere.

    It seems to have worked for the demoncrappers pretty well, after all they dragged Bush down to 27% approval by constantly demeaning him. It is time to fight just as dirty as our enemies have, and YES , I do consider them enemies of mine and my country. Anyone who would intentionally try to have the U.S. lose a war is a traitor and my enemy.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  54. noyk – This is going to be a long 2 years.

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:26 pm


    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 9:27 pm

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:28 pm

    Comment by Eric Blair — 11/4/2008 @ 9:32 pm

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 9:32 pm

    Comment by JVW — 11/4/2008 @ 9:33 pm

    Comment by peedoffamerican — 11/4/2008 @ 9:34 pm

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:37 pm

    *sigh* Yes, JD, can certainly see what you mean.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  55. OK, one last comment before bed.

    Palin/Jindal in 2012! I’ll start saving up for a campaign contribution tomorrow.

    BitterClinger (9ca635)

  56. peedof – Almost half of America did not vote for Baracky. I am not saying do not fight back. In fact, I think one of the biggest flaws of President Bush was his reticence in fighting back. He was honorable, in ways I could never be, but in the end, his failure to stand up and defend himself, his Administation and his policies left his party out to dry. Then, McCain comes along and gets nominated by the media, and does the same thing. One can fight back without being asshats like the Dems have been. Claiming that this election is illegitimate is childish, and serves no purpose.

    JD (5b4781)

  57. When you fight guerillas, you must use guerilla tactics against them to prevail. When you fight demoncrappers, you either use their tactics or you lose.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  58. Republican dead need to rise up and vote for republicans, not demoncraps as they seem to be doing in Chicago and elsewhere.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  59. You and I will not agree. I hope the party does not choose your path.

    JD (5b4781)

  60. JD, Points well taken. But I don’t think Ronald Reagan could have won this election against Soros, the illegal credit card funds and the ridiculous media bias.

    As for nyok, what can I say? Illegal money, the racist comments and his bizarre co-horts… blatant oppression against citizens and those with opposing viewpoints… it just doesn’t get shoved under the rug. The Truth Squad?

    For the record, I never said, nor do I care, if he was born to married parents or a single mother. In the scope of who Barack Obama is, it just doesn’t matter. Many great individuals have rocky starts. That comment was from elsewhere.

    (However, claiming that Baracky is illegitimate or other such nonsense will get the Republicans nowhere.)

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  61. I can say Obama is the legitimate President, but I can also promise my civil resistance. Barry has all but declared war on basic American values… he doesn’t like the Constitution, doesn’t like capitalism, doesn’t like the working class and has little use for anyone that disagrees with him.

    My worry is whether Taiwan or Tel Aviv will be the first city wiped out of existence next February and Obama goes into full Chamberlin mode.

    I have family members in the military and I’m scared for them because the Dems are sharpening the long knives to use against them.

    I’m planning to reduce my economic footprint as much as possible to avoid Obama’s “spread the wealth” thuggery … cash, barter, trade, swap services … whatever I can.

    I’ve lived through Jimmy Carter I guess I can survive Obama. But it is time for real Americans to start planning on taking back our country before it becomes Sweden.

    Darleen (187edc)

  62. But I don’t think Ronald Reagan could have won this election against Soros, the illegal credit card funds and the ridiculous media bias.

    Oh, hell yes, he could have. He spoke the simple and basic message of conservatism. He spoke to the roots of the Republican party. He would have wiped the floor with Baracky like he did with Mondale.

    JD (5b4781)

  63. Christ on a Crutch, JD, are you really silly enough to believe that McCain was “nominated by the media!?” You do know that everyone (including, I might add, the mainstream media) had him written off before December 2007? Do I have to go back through old Ed Morrisey columns for you?

    John S. McCain won the Republican Party nomination purely and solely because more Republican voters selected him than his opponents. Or are you going to tell me that the MSM had some sort of Jedi mind-power over conservative voters as well? One would think that, after all the kicking and screaming the past eight years of a biased media, conservatives (at least) would know better than to listen to the “journalists.”

    I do, with all my heart and soul, agree that we shouldn’t go “all Kos” (or DU) on the opposition. Moronic hate speech is precisely that, no matter the political orientation.

    Speaking of peedoffamerican, well… As they say, if you can’t say something nice…

    And on that note…

    Casey (9ee427)

  64. He was not nominated by conservatives, or classical liberals. He was nominated by those that bought into the idea that the media liked McCain, and would be fair to him. He was nominated by those that thought he was more electable than the others. He was nominated by those that are comfortable with a mindset that government can fix things better than the market, or people. He was most certainly not nominated by conservatives.

    JD (5b4781)

  65. Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 10:07 pm

    VN, no disrespect meant. (But you knew that.) I only meant that here we conservatives are on election night all disagreeing amongst ourselves and we haven’t even begun to fight the much-energy-required good fight against the wrong policies of the President-elect. So….am not looking forward to the next two, er four, years.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  66. __________________________________

    But it is time for real Americans to start planning on taking back our country before it becomes Sweden.

    Or a version of the country described herein:

    George F Will, May 2007:

    Last spring, rioting [in France] was the left’s economic argument when the government proposed, then retreated from, legislation that would have made it somewhat easier for businesses to fire younger workers in the first two years of employment. The idea behind the legislation was that employers would be more likely to hire workers if it were not a legal ordeal to fire them. The rioters were, of course, mostly young.

    France’s unemployment rate is 8.7 percent, nearly double the U.S. rate of 4.5 percent. Among persons under age 25….the rate is 21.2 percent, and it is apt to stay there unless [French president] Sarkozy can implement reforms that irritate rioters.

    Two decades ago, the sociologist Daniel Bell wrote about “the cultural contradictions of capitalism” to express this worry: Capitalism flourishes because of virtues that its flourishing undermines. Its success requires thrift, industriousness and deferral of gratifications, but that success produces abundance, expanding leisure and the emancipation of appetites, all of which weaken capitalism’s moral prerequisites.

    The cultural contradictions of welfare states are comparable. Such states presuppose economic dynamism sufficient to generate investments, job creation, corporate profits and individuals’ incomes from which comes tax revenue needed to fund entitlements.

    But welfare states produce in citizens an entitlement mentality and a low pain threshold. That mentality inflames appetites for more entitlements, broadly construed to include all government benefits and protections that contribute to welfare understood as material well-being, enhanced security and enlarged leisure.

    The low pain threshold causes a ruinous flinch from the rigors, insecurities, uncertainties and dislocations inherent in the creative destruction of dynamic capitalism. The flinch takes the form of protectionism, regulations and other government-imposed inefficiencies that impede the economic growth that the welfare state requires.

    So welfare states are, paradoxically, both enervating and energizing — and infantilizing.

    Twenty-five years ago, President François Mitterrand, a socialist who had won election by promising to “break with the logic of profitability,” was keeping that promise and, in the process, killing socialism. He promised stimulative spending through expanded entitlements, a short workweek with no reduced compensation, job creation through public spending and higher taxes on the investing classes. So productivity fell and unemployment — it has not been below 8 percent since 1981 — rose.

    Statism, the inevitable concomitant of government attempts to administer France’s three ideological incompatibles (“liberty, equality, fraternity”), continued. And 47 percent of the French electorate just voted for….more of it, even though France’s 2006 growth rate was lower than that of 21 of the then-25 members of the European Union.

    __________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  67. If Al Franken wins, we should call a Continental Congress and have an agenda that looks like this.

    Day 1
    1. Kick Minnesota out of union.

    Day 2
    1. If Day 1 is not successful, try again. If still unsuccessful, give title to State to Canada, preferably the French Canadian ones.

    JD (5b4781)

  68. JD (#64, 10:13 pm), not entirely true. McCain was also nominated by those who thought that he was the best choice to manage the War on Terror, and keep our commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    JVW (8a718e)

  69. noyk,
    All due respect. You do know these are responses to Barack Obama’s actions. How can you be exasperated by posters frustrated at seeing a Socialist buy the presidency? The Dem party needs retooling just as much as the GOP, and only months ago that was the topic. It’s millions that made this happen.

    It would be terrific to question the illegal credit card donations but as mentioned, it ain’t gonna happen. Those got through the system, god knows how. Thus, the following responses.

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 9:27 pm

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:28 pm

    Comment by Eric Blair — 11/4/2008 @ 9:32 pm

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 9:32 pm

    Comment by JVW — 11/4/2008 @ 9:33 pm

    Comment by peedoffamerican — 11/4/2008 @ 9:34 pm

    Comment by JD — 11/4/2008 @ 9:37 pm

    *sigh* Yes, JD, can certainly see what you mean.

    Comment by no one you know — 11/4/2008 @ 9:45 pm

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  70. noyk, got it.. and thanks.

    Only in today’s America could this have happened. Absolutely pathetic and disheartening.

    Have a good night…

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  71. noyk,
    All due respect. You do know these are responses to Barack Obama’s actions. How can you be exasperated by posters frustrated at seeing a Socialist buy the presidency?
    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 10:18 pm

    Oh…not exasperated. Sorry if it sounded like that. Am just bone tired and this has been, truly, a rotten day.

    Yes, I think he is a socialist, or close enough for *cough* government work. I think he raised and spent ridiculous amounts and his campaign cheated on the CC security measures to get extra funds. Yes, I hope he does face penalties for that, and for anything else he did wrong or supervised that was wrong.

    But barring a conviction or impeachment he’s going to be running the country, much as I’d fervently wish it otherwise, in a couple of months and I plan on having a lot of work to do opposing his policies.

    But…gotta get to bed and I hope things don’t look as bleak in the AM as they do right now. Hope y’all sleep well.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  72. noyk, got it.. and thanks.

    Only in today’s America could this have happened. Absolutely pathetic and disheartening.

    Have a good night…

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 11/4/2008 @ 10:21 pm

    Oops, comments crossed. Night VN.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  73. Oh, Lordy, while I was writing up my comment, Vermont neighbor and Darleen joined in.

    Vn: yes, Barry collected a turd-load of money, but that doesn’t translate into votes. Enough people bought into “hope’n’change” to elect him. It’s that simple. Well, that, and the the housing bubble, and the credit debacle. Alas, the party in power is always blamed for ill fortune.

    Darleen, why not let the bastiche actually -I dunno- administrate for a month or three before you start lodging complaints, hm? No, really; he hasn’t even taken the oath of office and Darleen is talking nuclear Armageddon. And liberals threatened to leave the country if Dubya was re-elected. And Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins whine about the “chilling effect” on free speech in this country. Get a fricking GRIP

    Oh, and JD? Reagan was a great man, but saying he would have wiped the floor with Barry in 2008 is just talking crap. A very large part of the GOP leadership screwed the pooch for YEARS before someone like Barry could even develop traction. This wasn’t just Dubya, nor “not really a conservative” McCain, nor “McCain picked Palin.” Those are emotionally appealing chicken-crap scapegoats.

    Conservatives lost because they went nearly ape-poo as the Kossites. A netroots enthusiast judges politicians on their anti-war effort, and hatred of Christians. A conservative, on the other hand, judges their politicians on their anti-abortion effort, and hatred of Mexicans.

    Unfair? Maybe. But if you finding yourself nodding to one-half of that statement, then indignantly objecting to the other, you may want to clear your head. The “hardcore” conservatives can shoot down a big-tent approach just as much as hardcore netroots return the favor from the other side.

    Casey (9ee427)

  74. JVW – I agree with you on that, but any of the candidates the Republicans offered were better than Baracky on that issue. There, it is just a matter of degree.

    G’night, noyk.

    JD (5b4781)

  75. He spoke the simple and basic message of conservatism. He spoke to the roots of the Republican party. He would have wiped the floor with Baracky like he did with Mondale.

    JD, you answer my question though in your next post. I don’t know if today’s media, bought and paid for by Soros and tweeked by a teleprompt candidate would even let Reagan get his message out. . . without the agenda-driven preferential bias. JMO

    And Darleen has the best survival method at this point:

    I’m planning to reduce my economic footprint as much as possible to avoid Obama’s “spread the wealth” thuggery … cash, barter, trade, swap services … whatever I can.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  76. A conservative, on the other hand, judges their politicians on their anti-abortion effort, and hatred of Mexicans.

    Bull-fuckin-shit.

    I pointed out earlier that the problems that the Republicans ran into started a long time ago, about they time that they abandoned the foundational principles of the party – smaller government, lower taxes, and freedom. President Bush has not made that argument in quite some time. McCain was not adept at selling it either. Ronald Reagan would have never allowed himself to get saddled with someone else’s problems in the way that President Bush and McCain each did.

    JD (5b4781)

  77. If Hillary had won the nomination, I think it’s possible she would have picked Obama as her VP. Either way, I feel sure she would have won and that Obama would be waiting in the wings. So we could have faced 4-8 years of Hillary and then 4-8 years of Obama.

    I’m feeling better already.

    DRJ (cb68f2)

  78. And I agree with JD. Republicans lost in part because a GOP President and Congress embraced big government and big spending.

    DRJ (cb68f2)

  79. DRJ – It is like the Republicans, once in power, tried to out-Democrat the Democrats.

    JD (5b4781)

  80. Casey

    shove it with that “antiabortion/hate Mexican” meme. Republicans got fat and lazy and enamored with the same “give goodies for votes” schtick that is part of the Dem by-laws.

    And if you don’t think America’s enemies are gleeful at Obama’s winning, you haven’t paid attention. Lord, Biden himself has been promising a “test” in six months. I think it going to be a foreign city first rather than a attack on US soil, but any cowardice by Obama and we WILL have another US attack.

    I can only judge Obama by his own actions, not his campaign propaganda and America and fundamental American values are in for a world of hurt until he is neutralized by a Congress with more conservatives.

    I was a Girl Scout and I plan on being prepared. My seed catelogue comes next week and out go my flower and in goes vegetables. Feed my family and have some to barter.

    Going to check out the low profile swap meets too. Barry can’t “spread my wealth” if its under the radar.

    Darleen (187edc)

  81. How do the Republicans recover? Here is one way: Fox News seems to think that Ted Stevens will hold on to his Senate seat despite being under indictment. Wouldn’t it be great if he wins and Republican leaders (led by Governor Palin) insist that he resign? I think the GOP, as the minority party, can afford to take a zero-tolerance stand on corruption and maybe put some pressure on Dems with regards to scalawags like Murtha, Jefferson, Wexler, etc.

    JVW (8a718e)

  82. No, I blame Bush!

    Republicans lost because Bush decided to take the past four years off. He also wouldn’t respond in a forceful manner to criticism, but “turned the other cheek,” and said nothing. This validated all his critics’ attacks on him and the Republican party, by default. I also wouldn’t be surprised, without having any factual basis whatsoever for making this assertion, that he started drinking again. Starting with the Harriet Miers nomination, it was downhill from there.

    Official Internet Data Office (df6254)

  83. JVW

    Republicans have done that in the past, and Dems refuse to do it for their own

    and the public rarely knows because if it ain’t in the New York Times it didn’t happen.

    Obama camp deliberately turned off the credit card security and collected millions in illegal funds? Nah, go on! Surely the MSM would have reported it! 60 minutes would have done an expose! Andy Sullivan thinks attempting to solve who is Trig Palin’s REAL mother is much more important.

    Darleen (187edc)

  84. I know, Darleen, but virtue is its own reward. The NYTimes and all their cohorts did all they could to make everyone believe that Barack Obama was the perfect manifestation of a politician, and John McCain was a tired retread who would just extend Bush’s unpopular policies. Despite that, Obama is only going to win by about 5%. The reality is that the mainstream media is not as powerful as they want us to think they are, and if Republicans do the right thing, word will get out. Don’t underestimate the, uh, audacity of hope.

    JVW (8a718e)

  85. OIDO

    I think GW has been so focused elsewheres (international) that he has let the Dems have their way to stay out of HIS way.

    There is something in his daily briefings we don’t know and THAT scares me because I believe GW is the only one taking it seriously.

    Biden may not have been “gaffing” with the “six months’ test” thing but leaking in an effort to prepare people.

    First attack there or here?

    Darleen (187edc)

  86. JVW

    I think Republicans should do the right thing, but I’m under no illusion they will ever get credit for it. Dems don’t think Republicans are their equal, so whatever Republicans do, it is of no consequence. That attitude is just going to grow under Obama. The call for “unity” is a fraud. It is a call to submit or get lost.

    Sorry, I’m going to fight back.

    Darleen (187edc)

  87. Meanwhile, while you are congratulating President-elect whats-his-name, try to popularize the nickname for him that surfaced recently on another website : “Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers.”

    Official Internet Data Office (df6254)

  88. I would never tell anyone not to fight back. I say, though, that we don’t need to fight the way the Dems do — that we can win by being forthright and unapologetic about conservative principles. Not by trying to hide who we really are the way the Dems do.

    JVW (8a718e)

  89. JRM That’s a good list for any candidate taking office. The second ‘we will do this in return” list is what you should do anyway, if you really believe in respecting the office of the President. I think the real deal is, though, that not a single thing in your first list is going to happen unless you and a lot of other people do the things in your second list right off the bat.

    When you go to “respectfully fight” for how you think things should be run how is it going to be? Will it be all about opposition to any ideas from the other “side” coz they are coming from the other “side” or will it be about modifying ideas in ways that you and your “side” think will make them better?

    If coming fights are going to be all about opposition then nothing will get done as usual and so why go through the effort to write that first list in the first place?

    John McCain showed his quality yet again in his concession speech tonight. I hope we get a Congress full of McCains who will argue according to their principles but work to keep things moving forward on all common ground that they can find.

    EdWood (439e8c)

  90. _____________________________________

    Republicans lost because Bush decided to take the past four years off.

    It’s hard to know how much is unique to the circumstances around George Bush and American voters (of 2000, 2004 and today) and how much is a part of the peculiar natural up-and-down cycle of politics thoughout the world.

    Australians not long ago voted out of office their former prime minister, who was an Aussie version of a Republican/conservative. And he was a rather non-controversial figure, running for reelection at a time when Australia’s economy was doing fairly well.

    South Koreans did a similar thing to their president a few years ago. However, his left-leaning successor turned out to be such a dud, that Koreans quite recently voted in another person of the right.

    Spaniards in 2004 voted for a leftist to be their prime minister, whose opponent was a major supporter of Bush and America. This happened even after, or in spite of, notorious acts of terrorist bombings of their train system right around election time. Interestingly enough, Spain’s economy — under the political watch of the Socialist prime minster — is reeling from the collapse of its real-estate market.

    Here’s something that may be more telling than anything related to George Bush’s tactics or management: I saw a recent poll that indicated a large percentage of respondents judged Obama’s ideology as being within acceptable boundaries (to me, he’s way too liberal). By comparsion, many of those same poll takers thought McCain was too conservative.

    But as another sign of the natural ebb and flow of politics and ideology, the following is what’s happening across the Atlantic, in which Britain is sort of occupying a parallel universe to the US. One difference, however, is that the British, even in this time of economic decline, appear to be slightly less unforgiving of the leadership of the Laborites (liberals) versus the Tories (conservatives).


    Oct 31, 2008, Reuters: Three months ago [British Prime Minister Gordon] Brown’s ruling Labor party unexpectedly lost a parliamentary seat in a traditional Scottish Labor heartland to pro-independence Scottish Nationalists.

    Brown, a Scot, was facing a growing party rebellion and the main opposition Conservatives looked on course to crush Labor in Britain’s next parliamentary election, due by mid-2010.

    But Prime Minister Gordon Brown has narrowed the Conservatives’ lead in opinion polls with his handling of the financial crisis, winning praise in Britain and abroad for a 400-billion-pound ($660.7 billion) package of loans and guarantees to prop up the financial sector.

    “Brown is trying to portray himself as somebody who almost saved the world in the economic crisis,” Thomas Lundberg, lecturer at the University of Glasgow, said.

    …The Conservatives still lead Labor across Britain by nine percentage points, according to a survey by YouGov research group published by the Daily Telegraph newspaper on Friday. But Labor trailed by more than 20 points a few months ago — its lowest ratings since polling began.

    Some opinion polls have indicated that Britons see Brown, a former finance minister, as a good leader during an economic crisis but do not want him to win Britain’s election in 2010.

    Mark (411533)

  91. Explain why Obama needs the help of JRM or any Republican. The Democrats now rule.

    This post is the kind of arrogant, delusional claptrap that lead the Republican party off the electoral cliff.

    Instead of issuing ludicrous demands in your pajamas, JRM, perhaps you should be thinking how the Republican party went from the majority to the crushed minority in 8 years, and more important, what to do about it. The present administration destroyed the Republican brand and the most important tenets of conservativism–commitment to public integrity,restraint in the scope of government, respect for education, learning and competence, and rigorous and fair enforcement of the law. This was done to the cheers from the peanut galleries like this site, who think that McCarthy style guilt by association could somehow beat the current Republican administration’s disastrous missteps in the botched Iraqi occupation, Hurricane Katrina, and the never-ending saga of preposterous kangaroo courts.

    This isn’t just the political cycle either. Obama’s election is not revolutionary because of his skin color, but by how he ran and financed his campaign. If the Republican party cannot mobilize the same degree of support and enthusiasm as he did, then it is doomed.

    Cyrus Sanai (4df861)

  92. The NYTimes and all their cohorts did all they could to make everyone believe that Barack Obama was the perfect manifestation of a politician, and John McCain was a tired retread who would just extend Bush’s unpopular policies.

    No, in actuality John McCain showed that he was a tired retread, all by his lonesome.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  93. Republicans were once the party of Abraham Lincoln. What are they now? A shrinking tribe of small minded, parochial, xenophobic, gun-loving, anti-women die-hards out of tune with a rapidly changing America.
    They will have to re-invent themselves or they will go the way of the Whigs of England

    Smith (ace3c8)

  94. Wait a minute, Agent Smith. The party of Condi Rice and Sarah Palin is anti-women?

    And the party of Bros before Hos, here birdie birdie, is not?

    Well, words have no meaning for liberals, so hell, why not …

    Adriane (b8ecd8)

  95. The party of Iraqi genocide, we’re cool with that, is not xenophobic?

    Adriane (b8ecd8)

  96. For all the soaring rhetoric, he is most definately NOT my President. The man holds none of the views I hold; he is my ideological opposite.

    However, he has my tentative support. Until the first time he screws up. And he will. Sooner than any of you can imagine. How did Russia greet the news? They have declared they will deploy conventional missiles in Kaliningrad to initially test Mr. Obama.

    And, at the first inkling that he, Pelosi and Reid are scheming to steal what I have worked for during my lifetime, I will leave the country until he is gone. You can bet on that.

    Dr. K (f196bc)

  97. JD #79:

    That’s exactly right, and it’s exactly why we should not act as peedoffamerican is urging us to do — the Republican party got into power and started trying to out-Democrat Democrats. Now that the Dems are in power, we must act as adults, and not try to outdo the shameful behavior that leftists demonstrated over the last 8 years.

    Robin S. (8ad350)

  98. Comment by Dr. K — 11/5/2008 @ 4:30 am

    Say Hi to Alec Baldwin for me…

    voiceofreason2 (590c85)

  99. Nah, I’m planning on someplace kool.

    Like Tahiti.

    Dr. K (f196bc)

  100. Pray for Obama’s continued good health; we’ve seen Joe Biden–and right behind him in the succession line lurks Nancy Pelosi!

    Mike Myers (31af82)

  101. As far as the shunning people who will wish personal harm to President-elect Obama, that’s kind of a done deal; there’s nothing he will do — or fail to do — that’d change that, at least for me.

    Great post, btw.

    That said, no, Obama doesn’t need any help from anybody outside his party; at most, he needs a few Senators to fail to oppose cloture. For most things he wants, he’ll be able to get that.

    For the time being. But with Russia moving missiles to the border, we’re less than twenty-four hours from Obama’s victory, and the first “gird your loins” moment has already happened.

    It’s going to be a rocky time.

    Joel Rosenberg (5ec843)

  102. Well,
    Not the turn out I wanted but now, once again time to fall in behind the Flag.
    My sons said that my enunciated “president obama” is very similar to Fonzie trying to say he was wrong.
    But this is America. Well done JRM, I’d sign that letter.

    paul from Fl (12026e)

  103. # 93 They will have to re-invent themselves or they will go the way of the Whigs of England
    Comment by Smith — 11/5/2008 @ 1:38 am

    If we re-invent (pander) ourselves, wouldn’t we just be democrats?

    I don’t think you understand republicans, our values are not changeable they are like the values enshrined in the constitution, they are not movable.

    Republicans do not change their values to appease fickle Americans, we are not democrats.

    ML (14488c)

  104. “Here’s what we’ll do for you in return…We’ll shun anyone who believes personal harm to you is a good way to prevent your policies from coming in.”

    Careful with your phrasing here. Someone could make the perverse argument that you’re promising to oppose personal harm to Obama on a conditional basis that your policy objectives are met.

    oneisnotprime (494091)

  105. Republicans were once the party of Abraham Lincoln. What are they now? A shrinking tribe of small minded, parochial, xenophobic, gun-loving, anti-women die-hards out of tune with a rapidly changing America.
    They will have to re-invent themselves or they will go the way of the Whigs of England

    See folks. That is who you are. As I have told you all along.

    JD (5b4781)

  106. Oh good grief people.

    The Blue Team won, and yes, Barack is your president, unless you decide to renounce your citizenship and move out of country.

    I’m sorry you’re bitter the Red Team lost, but the American people chose their leadership team, and fairly broadly across the board. Even Murtha won re-election – Murtha, who called his own constituents racist rednecks.

    The Republican brand is seriously damaged. Getting unhinged is not going to lead the broad majority to trust it again.

    Perhaps you who are posting here as such dipweeds are really Mobys who just can’t let go. I seriously wonder at the mental health of people who disengage from society and politics when their side loses. You think that the “Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers” needs to govern without opposition? He’s your president, but America needs you to stand up as a mature adult and voice your opinion. Saying he’s not your president isn’t just immature – it’s a lack of comprehension how civil society works.

    Let the Blue Team be the ones that act like children. Act like adults and work to re-energize & refocus the Red Team. Simply whining and crying is not going to get your team back in power.

    steve miller (0fb51f)

  107. And, at the first inkling that he, Pelosi and Reid are scheming to steal what I have worked for during my lifetime, I will leave the country until he is gone. You can bet on that.

    Dr. K, Yah, too late, they already did it before the election with (Republican help) and gave it all to Wall Street.

    So, I hear that Honduras is nice. If you live there more than 8 months out of the year you don’t have to pay Fed. Income taxes. But why move? There are lots of ways to hide your money if you want to freeload off of the rest of us.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  108. Please, Mr. Obama, break at least half of your promises. Dare to be a typical politician. Specifically, your promises on health care and taxes. PLEASE!!!

    Icy Truth (0466e6)

  109. Simply whining and crying is not going to get your team back in power.

    Really.

    Seems thats what the Dems did for 8 years.

    Seems to have worked for them…

    I doubt that the “Bitter Red Team” will have the audacity to blame BHO if there is another Katrina…

    paul from Fl (12026e)

  110. Dear Cyrus Sanai:

    You say (#91): “Explain why Obama needs the help of JRM or any Republican.”

    He does not, but if he is wise then he will seek it.

    President-elect Obama is not the President of the Democrats of America. He is the President of the United States of America. I hope he chooses to listen to the heart of America and not to you.

    You say (#91): “The Democrats now rule. “

    Incorrect, they govern.

    Their power was loaned to them by the votes of the majority of the American People and by the elective processes of our Constitution. They are required to return that power when their respective terms end, for reevaluation and possibly reallocation (which was largely the case last night).

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)

  111. JRM, as a liberal and as an American, I find myself in agreement with everything on your list of 10. I hope they come to pass.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  112. You should add to “what we’ll do in return”…

    #6. Should the worst of Joe Biden’s predictions come to pass and our enemies test you early in your term, we won’t claim the massacre of X,000 American civilians was an “inside job”.

    #7. When your CENTCOM Commander returns from theater for consultation and Congressional testimony, we won’t purchase a full-page ad in the New York Times accusing him of treason.

    furious (56af6d)

  113. 1. We’ll acknowledge that you’re the President of the United States, that you got the job fairly and properly, and that you want to do the right thing.

    Let’s start this endeavor by being honest, shall we? ACORN has been practicing the Dark Arts for decades. Their finest work came to fruition on Tuesday. Blatant, crooked fundraising went on virtually unremarked upon throughout the campaign.
    How many illegitimate votes were cast and counted during the ’08 campaign? How many donors gave more than the legal limit during this election cycle. How much foreign money poured illegally into the Obama coffers? Can there be any question that all of this was done consciously & willingly by the Obama campaign?
    Only God knows, and will ever know, the perfidies that the campaign committed. “Fairly and properly” is just too much of an insult to anyone who wasn’t in a coma during the last year.

    thegreatbeast (f73600)

  114. I agree with all of this JRM. And mostly with the part about Joe Biden. Man, that guy scares me more than Barak Obama.

    HBoulware (404969)

  115. It is time to get organized before it’s too late: cache your weapons, stock up on the canned goods, put the Bibles in the duffel bags, and go to ground. If you really believe Barack and his hordes are going to be fair with us, let me introduce you to Mr. Pol Pot. Grab a hoe and bend over, and by the way we’ll bill your surviving relatives for the bullet we put in your head the moment you don’t show us the proper respect.
    DO NOT SUCCUMB! BEGIN ACTIVE RESISTANCE NOW!

    peeedoffamerican (f26fef)

  116. It is time to get organized before it’s too late: cache your weapons, stock up on the canned goods, put the Bibles in the duffel bags, and go to ground. If you really believe Barack and his hordes are going to be fair with us, let me introduce you to Mr. Pol Pot. Grab a hoe and bend over, and by the way we’ll bill your surviving relatives for the bullet we put in your head the moment you don’t show us the proper respect.
    DO NOT SUCCUMB! BEGIN ACTIVE RESISTANCE NOW!

    Comment by peeedoffamerican — 11/5/2008 @ 7:03 pm

    The real peedoffamerican did not post this drivel, some impostor did.

    peedoffamerican (389cf6)

  117. “We’ll shun anyone who believes personal harm to you is a good way to prevent your policies from coming in.” Hopefully you’ll do more than shun – sounds like you’d just kick Booth and Oswald out of your gun club….I’d prefer a call to the FBI.

    CWD (e23d94)

  118. Fuck you dirty cracker bastards, there will be no republican party come the next election. Once again, from the heart I sincerely hope you cunts fucking die.

    Fuck you (0a2c7e)

  119. F-U, yes, you are right. The Republican party will cease to exist before the next election. Obama and his leftist illuminati ideals will spread the wealth to millions of lazy Americans who won’t do anything for themselves and this country will be one, big happy melting pot. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Jeff (7082b1)

  120. Dear FY (#120):

    Your behavior truly fascinates me; the inability to argue or express thoughts with the tools of logic and reason, thus sometimes resorting to name-calling and hysterics (a sort of hissing static based on irrational hatred).

    I wonder if this is a mentality of the intellectually challenged, the would-be despot, or the emotionally deranged.

    The sentiment for eliminating a portion of Americans, for voting in a manner consistent with their desires and aspirations for our nation, is nonsensical (obviously, in this case, the distinction between democrat and republican is meaningless).

    As Americans, we could fight and kill each other to determine a ruler (until such time as that ruler is overthrown). We could craft a regime were only one ideology is tolerated – which is your implied desire if your wishes were carried out to their most logical extent.

    Instead (and I guess in your view disappointedly), We The People have decide to experiment with this little thing call Democracy. We have successfully repeated this experiment for over two centuries. To the surprise of the world (and perhaps to ourselves), this system is not only stable, but enabled an era of prosperity (over time) for most of its citizens –unparalleled in the world.

    Your view, my view, and anyone’s view is free to enter the arena of democracy. Both good and bad ideas are argued and debated. The final arbitrator is the Will of the People. Of course the People reserve the right to change or modify their position every four-years of so, on average – a giant self-corrective feedback mechanism that IMPROVES itself over time (pure genius!).

    As for your System of hatred, mass murder, and ill-wishes; it was rejected over two hundred-years ago. It is still rejected today.

    Occasionally, there are those who try to force your type of ideology upon us; minor attempts like the Weather Underground or more serious efforts like WWII or the Cold War. Such efforts are defended against by Our bravest and most honorable men and women; and (when called upon) they have Never failed the People.

    Good luck to you FY, I hope you find your way.

    PS: My apologies to my fellow bloggers (for the wordiness). Yes, I know not the first time :-)

    Pons Asinorum (f0d1b9)


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