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	<title>Comments on: Obama and Biden&#8217;s Charitable Giving: They Don&#8217;t Want to Spread Their Own Wealth Around</title>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually VietnamEraVet is just repeating falsehoods long ago debunked. A parcel of misrepresentations is all that VietnamEraVet gives us.  The nonsense about &quot;lying&quot; has been shown to be itself a lie repeatedly by bipartisan intel committee reports.

The association between Obama and terrorists is what we call a &quot;fact&quot; - something VietnamEraVet is seemingly unfamiliar with.  They have names.  Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

The Cleland campaign issue is also misrepresented by VietnamEraVet.  I&#039;m sure he&#039;s proud of his own lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually VietnamEraVet is just repeating falsehoods long ago debunked. A parcel of misrepresentations is all that VietnamEraVet gives us.  The nonsense about &#8220;lying&#8221; has been shown to be itself a lie repeatedly by bipartisan intel committee reports.</p>
<p>The association between Obama and terrorists is what we call a &#8220;fact&#8221; &#8211; something VietnamEraVet is seemingly unfamiliar with.  They have names.  Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.</p>
<p>The Cleland campaign issue is also misrepresented by VietnamEraVet.  I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s proud of his own lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Icy Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icy Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, he said it all . . .

. . . all wrong, but at least he said it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, he said it all . . .</p>
<p>. . . all wrong, but at least he said it.</p>
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		<title>By: zeejah</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeejah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW VietnamEraVet ... I guess you said it all!...thank you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW VietnamEraVet &#8230; I guess you said it all!&#8230;thank you!!</p>
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		<title>By: VietnamEraVet</title>
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		<dc:creator>VietnamEraVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike I disagree with you.. I think Republicans are both &lt;b&gt;stupid and evil&lt;/b&gt;. 

They lied and deliberately misled us, including myself, into rushing into a war for WMDs that were not there. They openly challenged the patriotism, truthfulness and honesty of those that questioned the evidence saying we wanted to forget 9/11.  Fhen they re-wrote the history of the lead-up to the war, again slimming their opponents, when their foolish recklessness became apparent.  

Not evil???!!!
They have no hesitation about torture and imprisonment without trial or violating the Geneva Convention or even the US  Constitution. 

They eagerly support mercenary armies that operate outside the law, killing with only lip service to the idea of accountability.

They fill the airwaves with divisive talk and constantly characterized the opposition, not as loyal opponents, but as those that hate America.

What decent person could possibly listen to their hateful talk show hosts who make millions peddling their garbage or eagerly read the books of people like Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity?

They did not hesitate to attack the widows of 9/11 who demanded answers they did not want to give. They did not even hesitate to attack Max Cleland a triple amputee of the Vietnam war. They morphed him into Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladin and charged he did not receive his wounds in combat but in an accident while drinking!  They mocked Senator Kerry&#039;s wounds and medals with fake bandages at the GOP convention.

They tried to turn personal tragedy of the Terri Shivo episode into political capital with lies and distortions aimed at inflaming the people.

In this election have tried to characterize a graduated income tax as Marxism and Socialism and portray Obama as a pal of the terrorists.

They put forward one of the most ignorant, uninformed, deceptive and divisive VP nominee ever who routinely referred to the true, real  Americans verses those that disagree with them.
    
They took a healthy economy with a surplus and a  world where America was respected by most and turned surplus into deficits, wrecked the economy, got us involved in a disastrous war at ten billion dollars a month they refuse to pay for and, in the process, have caused the world to recoil in horror at what had become of this country.

They cant even admit to themselves the true evil and wreckage they have wrought. All they can do is make nasty comments about Obama and the Democrats, raise trivial issues, bitch about rich people paying taxes and poor people getting food stamps, whine about how unfair the media is, how ungrateful the Europeans are and how traitorous anyone that opposes them is while thinking of themselves as paragons of virtue and goodness!  

They are a ignorant and hateful bunch of self righteous losers that spread fear and hate and cant point to a single accomplishment of the last eight years that they can be proud of. (oh ya make us laugh about how Bush has protected us against terrorism..except for 9/11!! which was really Bill Clintons fault!!)

You think this is just stupidity? I thinks its a carefully cultivated culture of hate, fear and bitterness similar to the one the Nazis cultivated against their enemies in the 1930s.

Its more than just stupidity Mike.. these people are downright evil. 

 Just ask Jesus who was asked how to spot false prophets. He said &quot;By their fruits yee shall now them.&quot;  War. Divisions. Hate. Poverty. Torture. Imprisonment without trial. Murder. Lies.  These are the fruits a a very evil tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike I disagree with you.. I think Republicans are both <b>stupid and evil</b>. </p>
<p>They lied and deliberately misled us, including myself, into rushing into a war for WMDs that were not there. They openly challenged the patriotism, truthfulness and honesty of those that questioned the evidence saying we wanted to forget 9/11.  Fhen they re-wrote the history of the lead-up to the war, again slimming their opponents, when their foolish recklessness became apparent.  </p>
<p>Not evil???!!!<br />
They have no hesitation about torture and imprisonment without trial or violating the Geneva Convention or even the US  Constitution. </p>
<p>They eagerly support mercenary armies that operate outside the law, killing with only lip service to the idea of accountability.</p>
<p>They fill the airwaves with divisive talk and constantly characterized the opposition, not as loyal opponents, but as those that hate America.</p>
<p>What decent person could possibly listen to their hateful talk show hosts who make millions peddling their garbage or eagerly read the books of people like Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity?</p>
<p>They did not hesitate to attack the widows of 9/11 who demanded answers they did not want to give. They did not even hesitate to attack Max Cleland a triple amputee of the Vietnam war. They morphed him into Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladin and charged he did not receive his wounds in combat but in an accident while drinking!  They mocked Senator Kerry&#8217;s wounds and medals with fake bandages at the GOP convention.</p>
<p>They tried to turn personal tragedy of the Terri Shivo episode into political capital with lies and distortions aimed at inflaming the people.</p>
<p>In this election have tried to characterize a graduated income tax as Marxism and Socialism and portray Obama as a pal of the terrorists.</p>
<p>They put forward one of the most ignorant, uninformed, deceptive and divisive VP nominee ever who routinely referred to the true, real  Americans verses those that disagree with them.</p>
<p>They took a healthy economy with a surplus and a  world where America was respected by most and turned surplus into deficits, wrecked the economy, got us involved in a disastrous war at ten billion dollars a month they refuse to pay for and, in the process, have caused the world to recoil in horror at what had become of this country.</p>
<p>They cant even admit to themselves the true evil and wreckage they have wrought. All they can do is make nasty comments about Obama and the Democrats, raise trivial issues, bitch about rich people paying taxes and poor people getting food stamps, whine about how unfair the media is, how ungrateful the Europeans are and how traitorous anyone that opposes them is while thinking of themselves as paragons of virtue and goodness!  </p>
<p>They are a ignorant and hateful bunch of self righteous losers that spread fear and hate and cant point to a single accomplishment of the last eight years that they can be proud of. (oh ya make us laugh about how Bush has protected us against terrorism..except for 9/11!! which was really Bill Clintons fault!!)</p>
<p>You think this is just stupidity? I thinks its a carefully cultivated culture of hate, fear and bitterness similar to the one the Nazis cultivated against their enemies in the 1930s.</p>
<p>Its more than just stupidity Mike.. these people are downright evil. </p>
<p> Just ask Jesus who was asked how to spot false prophets. He said &#8220;By their fruits yee shall now them.&#8221;  War. Divisions. Hate. Poverty. Torture. Imprisonment without trial. Murder. Lies.  These are the fruits a a very evil tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Dormilona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dormilona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The giving that shows up on tax returns by people who are getting a tax deduction.  Many people - I&#039;m one of them - give to grassroots advocacy organizations that don&#039;t qualify for federal tax exemptions.  If my charitable giving were judged by my tax returns, I&#039;d look like much more of a scrooge than I really am because I donate to only a couple of 501(c)(3) organizations.  But I&#039;m probably MORE generous because I donate hundreds of dollars every year that don&#039;t get me a tax deduction - just the knowledge that I put my money where my mouth is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The giving that shows up on tax returns by people who are getting a tax deduction.  Many people &#8211; I&#8217;m one of them &#8211; give to grassroots advocacy organizations that don&#8217;t qualify for federal tax exemptions.  If my charitable giving were judged by my tax returns, I&#8217;d look like much more of a scrooge than I really am because I donate to only a couple of 501(c)(3) organizations.  But I&#8217;m probably MORE generous because I donate hundreds of dollars every year that don&#8217;t get me a tax deduction &#8211; just the knowledge that I put my money where my mouth is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mutt, aka Obama, is a stingy, lying, baby killing politician. America is going to become the laughingstock of the world. You Americans are so soft, when someone brings up an issue of socialism you all bond to it like crazy glue. When someone says make your own damn living, you say no jobs; when someone of heroic status gets beat out by a suspected terroism affiliate, that says alot about your country; whenever you guys get into a war, you act as cowards; once again, the laughingstocks of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mutt, aka Obama, is a stingy, lying, baby killing politician. America is going to become the laughingstock of the world. You Americans are so soft, when someone brings up an issue of socialism you all bond to it like crazy glue. When someone says make your own damn living, you say no jobs; when someone of heroic status gets beat out by a suspected terroism affiliate, that says alot about your country; whenever you guys get into a war, you act as cowards; once again, the laughingstocks of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so the economy right. Dont you think the lack of in fit people is one of the most pressing issues with our economy. If I said the word Ho, would americans answer, thats a gardening tool?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so the economy right. Dont you think the lack of in fit people is one of the most pressing issues with our economy. If I said the word Ho, would americans answer, thats a gardening tool?</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats don’t think that Republicans (in general) are stupid or evil, just incredibly ignorant.

Comment by Mike Farrell
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Mike, You should have stopped at &quot;Democrats don&#039;t think&#039; You would have been accurate.

If wisdom is true weath BHO &amp;JB wouldn&#039;t have been able to give anything of value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats don’t think that Republicans (in general) are stupid or evil, just incredibly ignorant.</p>
<p>Comment by Mike Farrell<br />
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Mike, You should have stopped at &#8220;Democrats don&#8217;t think&#8217; You would have been accurate.</p>
<p>If wisdom is true weath BHO &amp;JB wouldn&#8217;t have been able to give anything of value.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, one &quot;small&quot; proof that you requested earlier -Sen. Obama&#039;s aunt illegally contributed to his campaign. Why illegally? Because she is in the US illegally! She is not a US citizen, not even a Permanent Resident. And she worked for the last 4 years illegally! You know what? When a judge orders you to leave US you loose every right that you have at that time.  And you become illegal! And that Sen. Obama didn&#039;t know about her illegal statues???? Balllloooooneeeeeyyy!!! When you sponsor a friend or a relative to come to US, you sign an affidavit of support and you are responsible for their well being in US.  You are also guaranteeing that your relative will not become a burden to the Federal or State governments. How about that?  Where did she lived in all those years? Public Housing Authority – a State run program sponsored by the federal government!  But your “messiah” didn’t know about her being here illegally! It just happens that she decided by herself  to go visit relatives in Boston, the place where he grew up and had the most connections besides Chicago and Harvard, and just happens that she filled for political asylum without telling her nephew. And 5 years later, when her asylum application was denied and the judge ordered her to leave US she didn’t call her nephew, now a senator for help!  Nooo, she took the matters in her own hands and somehow, she alone found ways of maintaining her employment with Boston’s Public Housing Authority. Without any outside help she found ways of maintaining her residence in a public housing facility!  I wonder how many more illegal donations got into his campaign pocket. Also, how many more of his relatives are in the same situation as his auntie? 

The final question is - Do you want to pay for all his relatives’ expenditures that are living on public assistance/welfare (a.k.a. “Spread the wealth” to quote your idol)?  Well, I don’t! And by the way, if by any chance he wins, I will look forward to getting an afternoon snack worth $445 (lobster appetizers, whole lobsters, Iranian caviar and Champaign) – same treatment as your idol and his wife got at the Waldorf –Astoria hotel in N.Y. on October 15th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, one &#8220;small&#8221; proof that you requested earlier -Sen. Obama&#8217;s aunt illegally contributed to his campaign. Why illegally? Because she is in the US illegally! She is not a US citizen, not even a Permanent Resident. And she worked for the last 4 years illegally! You know what? When a judge orders you to leave US you loose every right that you have at that time.  And you become illegal! And that Sen. Obama didn&#8217;t know about her illegal statues???? Balllloooooneeeeeyyy!!! When you sponsor a friend or a relative to come to US, you sign an affidavit of support and you are responsible for their well being in US.  You are also guaranteeing that your relative will not become a burden to the Federal or State governments. How about that?  Where did she lived in all those years? Public Housing Authority – a State run program sponsored by the federal government!  But your “messiah” didn’t know about her being here illegally! It just happens that she decided by herself  to go visit relatives in Boston, the place where he grew up and had the most connections besides Chicago and Harvard, and just happens that she filled for political asylum without telling her nephew. And 5 years later, when her asylum application was denied and the judge ordered her to leave US she didn’t call her nephew, now a senator for help!  Nooo, she took the matters in her own hands and somehow, she alone found ways of maintaining her employment with Boston’s Public Housing Authority. Without any outside help she found ways of maintaining her residence in a public housing facility!  I wonder how many more illegal donations got into his campaign pocket. Also, how many more of his relatives are in the same situation as his auntie? </p>
<p>The final question is &#8211; Do you want to pay for all his relatives’ expenditures that are living on public assistance/welfare (a.k.a. “Spread the wealth” to quote your idol)?  Well, I don’t! And by the way, if by any chance he wins, I will look forward to getting an afternoon snack worth $445 (lobster appetizers, whole lobsters, Iranian caviar and Champaign) – same treatment as your idol and his wife got at the Waldorf –Astoria hotel in N.Y. on October 15th.</p>
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		<title>By: Princess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Princess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did his wife get paid more after he started running for President?  Because he and his wife are corrupt.  The obama&#039;s are not rich.  But they are getting rich off of other people&#039;s money.  Neither one is not worth what they are being paid.  Getting a degree from an first rate school does not make you smart or successful.  If you are ready to lie, cheat, and steal it does.  These people must be stopped.  They and those children will try to destroy the White House.  I say lock down everything, that is not nailed down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did his wife get paid more after he started running for President?  Because he and his wife are corrupt.  The obama&#8217;s are not rich.  But they are getting rich off of other people&#8217;s money.  Neither one is not worth what they are being paid.  Getting a degree from an first rate school does not make you smart or successful.  If you are ready to lie, cheat, and steal it does.  These people must be stopped.  They and those children will try to destroy the White House.  I say lock down everything, that is not nailed down.</p>
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