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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-417066</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a great quote over at Proteinwisdom (not sure where it came from)

&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;When it comes to the economy, Obama can see the Soviet Union from his house&quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a great quote over at Proteinwisdom (not sure where it came from)</p>
<p><b></b>When it comes to the economy, Obama can see the Soviet Union from his house&#8221;<b></b></p>
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-417006</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque

You and your husband are heroes. To have built a company of 100 employees takes heroic and epic struggle.
The goverment takes its cut all along the way and its weight can be crushing.... now that you are doing  ok, Obama sees you as the key to his redistribution dreams. I see Mugabe&#039;s Zimbabwe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque</p>
<p>You and your husband are heroes. To have built a company of 100 employees takes heroic and epic struggle.<br />
The goverment takes its cut all along the way and its weight can be crushing&#8230;. now that you are doing  ok, Obama sees you as the key to his redistribution dreams. I see Mugabe&#8217;s Zimbabwe</p>
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		<title>By: Jacque</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-416984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SLAVERY THROUGH TAXATION - IS THIS WHAT OBAMA IS UP TO?

About that woman who is at the Obama rally saying she won&#039;t have to work anymore if she helps Obama.  Are Obama and his supporting classes planning to enslave the rest of us to support them through taxes or what?

My husband&#039;s business employs over 100 people and we already pay 50% in taxes when you consider state, city and sales taxes.  My husband and I are in our late fifties and early sixties.  If the taxes go too high people like us may have to consider other options because our taxes must be paid BEFORE it is earned not after because businesses are force by the government to estimate our income bases on last years performance and pay ahead of time.  If we have to pay even more in advance due to Obama’s tax hikes AND foresee a slow down in our business you can see where affording business expenses and salaries would be daunting.  People our age may opt to protect their nest egg and go out of business rather than taking the risk of riding out this economic storm.  Why I know some people who are younger and were recently far more wealthy than I that have nevertheless gone bankrupt due to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/ACORN induced financial crisis. People don’t consider that besides taxes, running a business is exceptionally expensive.  The bottom line - some employers may be forced to close their doors even if it appears the business is doing okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SLAVERY THROUGH TAXATION &#8211; IS THIS WHAT OBAMA IS UP TO?</p>
<p>About that woman who is at the Obama rally saying she won&#8217;t have to work anymore if she helps Obama.  Are Obama and his supporting classes planning to enslave the rest of us to support them through taxes or what?</p>
<p>My husband&#8217;s business employs over 100 people and we already pay 50% in taxes when you consider state, city and sales taxes.  My husband and I are in our late fifties and early sixties.  If the taxes go too high people like us may have to consider other options because our taxes must be paid BEFORE it is earned not after because businesses are force by the government to estimate our income bases on last years performance and pay ahead of time.  If we have to pay even more in advance due to Obama’s tax hikes AND foresee a slow down in our business you can see where affording business expenses and salaries would be daunting.  People our age may opt to protect their nest egg and go out of business rather than taking the risk of riding out this economic storm.  Why I know some people who are younger and were recently far more wealthy than I that have nevertheless gone bankrupt due to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/ACORN induced financial crisis. People don’t consider that besides taxes, running a business is exceptionally expensive.  The bottom line &#8211; some employers may be forced to close their doors even if it appears the business is doing okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Surls</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-416970</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Surls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dave, I’d say al Qaeda’s endoresment of John McCain trumps your list, don’t you think?&quot;--sniffy

I&#039;d say that Osama Bin Laden was on my list.

&#039;DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be &quot;humiliated,&quot; without endorsing a party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to an Internet video posting.&#039;

&#039;O God, humiliate Bush and his party, O Lord of the Worlds, degrade and defy him,&quot; Abu Yahya al-Libi said at the end of sermon marking the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, in a video posted on the Internet.&#039;

&#039;Libi, a top al Qaeda commander believed to be living in Afghanistan or Pakistan, called for God&#039;s wrath to be brought against Bush equating him with past tyrants in history.&#039;

Al Qaida ain&#039;t exactly rooting for John McCain, despite your addled imaginings, and I&#039;ll wager they&#039;re secretly hoping like hell that the messiah of appeasement and friend of America-hating terrorists wins the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dave, I’d say al Qaeda’s endoresment of John McCain trumps your list, don’t you think?&#8221;&#8211;sniffy</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that Osama Bin Laden was on my list.</p>
<p>&#8216;DUBAI (Reuters) &#8211; An al Qaeda leader has called for President George W. Bush and the Republicans to be &#8220;humiliated,&#8221; without endorsing a party in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, according to an Internet video posting.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;O God, humiliate Bush and his party, O Lord of the Worlds, degrade and defy him,&#8221; Abu Yahya al-Libi said at the end of sermon marking the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr, in a video posted on the Internet.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Libi, a top al Qaeda commander believed to be living in Afghanistan or Pakistan, called for God&#8217;s wrath to be brought against Bush equating him with past tyrants in history.&#8217;</p>
<p>Al Qaida ain&#8217;t exactly rooting for John McCain, despite your addled imaginings, and I&#8217;ll wager they&#8217;re secretly hoping like hell that the messiah of appeasement and friend of America-hating terrorists wins the election.</p>
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		<title>By: L.N. Smithee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-416814</link>
		<dc:creator>L.N. Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christina unbelievably wrote: &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The truth is that the tragedy of this man’s taking of his own life is testament to the despair that so many American’s feel today after eight years of leadership that has not served the American people, save the wealthy and corporations. This man who leapt off of the overpass in El Paso, Texas this morning is not the only one who has taken his own life. Others have taken their families with them in suicide/murders because they felt no hope for their own or their families’ futures. At least the man in El Paso felt that there was hope that his family would be alright after a change in national leadership.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10...deep breath)

I have little sympathy for people who commit suicide over things that aren&#039;t actually life-threatening (which there is no indication of in this case), and here&#039;s why: When you kill yourself, you end &lt;i&gt;your &lt;/i&gt;pain, but it doesn&#039;t go away; it spreads over everyone that loved you and wanted you to live.  Your parents, your family, your friends, even your acquaintances. With &lt;i&gt;few &lt;/i&gt;exceptions, IMHO, it is an act of selfishness.

I remember in the days before I woke up to the fraud that is liberalism, I read of some father who shot himself in the mouth in his living room after he lost his job.  In his suicide note, he blamed Ronald Reagan.  At first, I followed the editorialist&#039;s lead and blamed Reagan too.  Later on, I thought, &quot;Reagan didn&#039;t kill that guy!&quot;  He had plenty of options before ending his own life, leaving his wife and children to mourn and struggle, scarring them for life.  

And the El Paso guy thought Obama&#039;s going to care for his family when HE should be?  Maybe the reason he was so driven to suicide is because he had the mistaken impression that the President is supposed to help him.  Even if that were the case, &lt;i&gt;he couldn&#039;t hang on until January?&lt;/i&gt; Until there is further exculpatory evidence, I only have one good thing to say about him: He didn&#039;t kill his family first, like too many people who kill themselves. 

George W. Bush probably doesn&#039;t sleep well nowadays, but he shouldn&#039;t lose a second over that guy.  Maybe Obama should lose a few winks thinking about how his rhetoric may have made the suicide guy feel like B.O. would pull the weight he should be pulling himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christina unbelievably wrote:<br />
<blockquote><i>The truth is that the tragedy of this man’s taking of his own life is testament to the despair that so many American’s feel today after eight years of leadership that has not served the American people, save the wealthy and corporations. This man who leapt off of the overpass in El Paso, Texas this morning is not the only one who has taken his own life. Others have taken their families with them in suicide/murders because they felt no hope for their own or their families’ futures. At least the man in El Paso felt that there was hope that his family would be alright after a change in national leadership.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>(1&#8230;2&#8230;3&#8230;4&#8230;5&#8230;6&#8230;7&#8230;8&#8230;9&#8230;10&#8230;deep breath)</p>
<p>I have little sympathy for people who commit suicide over things that aren&#8217;t actually life-threatening (which there is no indication of in this case), and here&#8217;s why: When you kill yourself, you end <i>your </i>pain, but it doesn&#8217;t go away; it spreads over everyone that loved you and wanted you to live.  Your parents, your family, your friends, even your acquaintances. With <i>few </i>exceptions, IMHO, it is an act of selfishness.</p>
<p>I remember in the days before I woke up to the fraud that is liberalism, I read of some father who shot himself in the mouth in his living room after he lost his job.  In his suicide note, he blamed Ronald Reagan.  At first, I followed the editorialist&#8217;s lead and blamed Reagan too.  Later on, I thought, &#8220;Reagan didn&#8217;t kill that guy!&#8221;  He had plenty of options before ending his own life, leaving his wife and children to mourn and struggle, scarring them for life.  </p>
<p>And the El Paso guy thought Obama&#8217;s going to care for his family when HE should be?  Maybe the reason he was so driven to suicide is because he had the mistaken impression that the President is supposed to help him.  Even if that were the case, <i>he couldn&#8217;t hang on until January?</i> Until there is further exculpatory evidence, I only have one good thing to say about him: He didn&#8217;t kill his family first, like too many people who kill themselves. </p>
<p>George W. Bush probably doesn&#8217;t sleep well nowadays, but he shouldn&#8217;t lose a second over that guy.  Maybe Obama should lose a few winks thinking about how his rhetoric may have made the suicide guy feel like B.O. would pull the weight he should be pulling himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McGarry</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-416792</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim McGarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be an altered tape.  The voice sounds different and the tempo and pronunciation change markedly in the second part.  Additionally, the image shifts to the crowd.  We don&#039;t actually see the woman mouth the &quot;gas and mortgage&quot; sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be an altered tape.  The voice sounds different and the tempo and pronunciation change markedly in the second part.  Additionally, the image shifts to the crowd.  We don&#8217;t actually see the woman mouth the &#8220;gas and mortgage&#8221; sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-416727</link>
		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness someone in her family tree may have been a slave in history past at one time or another, so she is owed something for doing nothing, in all fairness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness someone in her family tree may have been a slave in history past at one time or another, so she is owed something for doing nothing, in all fairness.</p>
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		<title>By: Juba Doobai</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/10/31/lowering-expectations/comment-page-2/#comment-416703</link>
		<dc:creator>Juba Doobai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy sounds like she needs a husband. She doesn&#039;t want to WORK to put gas in the car or WORK to pay the mortgage. It sounds like Peggy has chosen Obama as her new man. I wonder what Michelle-of-the-banishing-the-competition-fame will have to say about that.

How do I know it&#039;s WORK and not WORRY? I&#039;m teaching speech to ESL students and the K sound is heard very clearly as opposed to the slurry RY sound. 

Peggy, if you don&#039;t want to WORK to put gas in your car, walk! If you don&#039;t want to WORK to pay your mortgage, live on the streets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy sounds like she needs a husband. She doesn&#8217;t want to WORK to put gas in the car or WORK to pay the mortgage. It sounds like Peggy has chosen Obama as her new man. I wonder what Michelle-of-the-banishing-the-competition-fame will have to say about that.</p>
<p>How do I know it&#8217;s WORK and not WORRY? I&#8217;m teaching speech to ESL students and the K sound is heard very clearly as opposed to the slurry RY sound. </p>
<p>Peggy, if you don&#8217;t want to WORK to put gas in your car, walk! If you don&#8217;t want to WORK to pay your mortgage, live on the streets!</p>
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		<title>By: newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I help him [Obama], he’s gonna help me.”

Yep.  It&#039;s all about the GOODIES!  It&#039;s all about the Gimme, gimme...  It&#039;s all about ME!  I want the government to GIVE ME!  But what government can give, the government can take away from you.

Do those Obama supporters actually work for a living?  What happened to &quot;YOU make a life on your own two feet&quot;?  That&#039;s right, under him, that&#039;s going to be non-existent.

Rome was not destroyed by Barbarians, but by free circuses.  Again: free circuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I help him [Obama], he’s gonna help me.”</p>
<p>Yep.  It&#8217;s all about the GOODIES!  It&#8217;s all about the Gimme, gimme&#8230;  It&#8217;s all about ME!  I want the government to GIVE ME!  But what government can give, the government can take away from you.</p>
<p>Do those Obama supporters actually work for a living?  What happened to &#8220;YOU make a life on your own two feet&#8221;?  That&#8217;s right, under him, that&#8217;s going to be non-existent.</p>
<p>Rome was not destroyed by Barbarians, but by free circuses.  Again: free circuses.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the woman is lucky she supports Obama.
Otherwise the media would be checking to see if she has a mortgage, or a car, or owes any money anywhere etc.
I mean what if she didn&#039;t even have a mortgage?
Or if her car is a $40,000 SUV?
What if her mortgage was taken as cash out of what was at one time, equity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the woman is lucky she supports Obama.<br />
Otherwise the media would be checking to see if she has a mortgage, or a car, or owes any money anywhere etc.<br />
I mean what if she didn&#8217;t even have a mortgage?<br />
Or if her car is a $40,000 SUV?<br />
What if her mortgage was taken as cash out of what was at one time, equity?</p>
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