Taking the Election to Court
[Guest post by DRJ]
Kansas City lawyer and Obama supporter Mary Kay Green filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against John McCain, Governor Sarah Palin, and campaign manager Rick Davis. Green asserts the McCain campaign has used false hate speech to work its supporters into a frenzy, leading to death threats against Obama:
“I will not tolerate another assassination [apparently a reference to John and Robert Kennedy],” Green said. “I have an obligation as an attorney to speak out and use my voice to say to John McCain and Sarah Palin that you must stop this behavior. You are participating in these death threats and have lost all protection from the First Amendment.”
Green alleges she has been injured by the GOP’s campaign tactics and has suffered “terror of the heart, anxiety and grave fear” for Obama’s life. She also claims $6M in damages but says the money is not important since her purpose is a moral plea to the Republicans to temper their language.
The case has been assigned to a federal court mediation program.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the Sixth Circuit’s ruling that the Ohio Secretary of State must do more to verify new voter registrations. The Court held the Ohio GOP did not have standing to bring the suit.
What a coincidence. The U.S. Supreme Court may decide the 2000 election and the 2008 election.
— DRJ
Your friends have been busy I see.
David Ehrenstein (3f6e26) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:22 pmAs for those threats. . .
David Ehrenstein (3f6e26) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:23 pmOh, a member of the Obama Truth Squad? Never mind that the Secret Service found the “kill him” report unfounded?
Darleen (187edc) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:23 pmI am livid at SCOTUS.
How is it that any individual has standing to sue anyone or anything having to do with her individual right to vote, but a collective of individuals trying to ensure their votes will not be diminished by fraud, do not?
Ed (f58dc1) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:25 pmA “mediation program”? Why not dismissed out of hand? Is this some weird process where litigants can be forced to “mediate” their dispute against their will?
Sounds like Ms. Green needs to get a grip and return to law school for a refresher course on the First Amendment. Plus, maybe some Paxil will help with that terror of the heart symptom…
PatHMV (653160) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:28 pmWhat about the inconceivablylarge losses from the panic-mongering of Obama, re; the economy and markets? In any case the Obama panic is gone. We’re gonna live, life is beautiful
JSBolton (bf2f7e) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:33 pmI have counted to ten.
Concerning MK Green’s suit:
– I assume she has the burden of proof that the death threats have been actually made, and it will require depositions under oath for evidence, not the here say of a newspaper article?
– If it is judged as unfounded will their be any possible action for a frivolous suit?
– If others file similar suits can we investigate that as part of our RICO complaint?
– Will the answers to these questions be worth a hill of beans anyway?
Concerning the ruling on Ohio (thanks for the link):
If I read it correctly in spite of my non-lawyer brain, the issue is not one on whether or not there is merit to the concern, but whether the involved laws allow the GOP to have standing to file. Who then has standing to file, the Sec. of State of Ohio, the one causing the problem?
So she thinks the registrations are not fraudulent, just clerical errors? Sounds like a problem when your staff messes things up 1/3 of the times. Just think if I wrote the wrong prescription 1/3 of the time.
I suggest part of the problem to communicate we have here is related to “projection” or “attribution”. People project their thoughts and feelings onto others, or attribute to others the same thoughts and motivations they have themselves. Hence, it is the one who is always scheming who first sees a scheme in another; and those who don’t scheme are slow to see it when they’re trapped in the middle of it.
If my father, who lives in Ohio and has had 6 strokes throughout his lifetime, gets upset over the irregularities in Ohio and has another stroke, do you think I can get Green’s lawyers to sue the State of Ohio and the Sec. of State? It would be an opportunity for the law group that they are simply committed to justice and are non-biased, even though they probably donate money like mad to the Dems like the majority of trial lawyers.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:42 pmI anticipate the judge laughing it out of court.
Techie (9251da) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:43 pmJust a lie Darleen?
David Ehrenstein (3f6e26) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:45 pmSo if I understand this correctly, the poor dear really doesn’t want any money – it’s the principle that’s important. Oh, and, uh…another $6M should do the trick as well.
The concept of shame has been dead and buried for years at this point, and this is just further evidence of same.
Dmac (cc81d9) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:47 pmDon’t you need, at minimum, one corroborating witness to a claim that a death threat was even made, , much less that McCain or Palin is responsible for one unsupported shout in a crowd of thousands or tens of thousands?
You want death threats ? I got your death threats right here.
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 10/17/2008 @ 1:50 pmWell, at least the law profession doesn’t discriminate against the mentally ill.
Mrs./Ms. Green is not well. Not well at all.
CW Desiato (614aa7) — 10/17/2008 @ 2:14 pmMcCain and Palin are villified because of a supporter who allegedly uttered inappropriate things. Obama is praised for being the answer for what ails America even though he has associated with a terrorist and listened to sermons from a hate-filled bigot. Isn’t the mainstream media a beautiful thing? No need to answer that rhetorical question. Long live Obama and his leftist illuminati cronies.
Jeff (3396e6) — 10/17/2008 @ 2:24 pmDidn’t this used to be called the “vapors”?
SteveG (71dc6f) — 10/17/2008 @ 2:25 pmI haven’t looked up this term in a while, so if by chance it is horribly sexist, please don’t sue me…
I’ll repudiate myself.
I think I should sue her for the metaphysical anguish caused by contemplating the idiocy of her suit.
Kevin (805c5b) — 10/17/2008 @ 3:40 pmThe comments on this site sicken me. I struggle with every fiber of my being to understand the depravity of many thoughts posted here. What ever happened to rational thought and intelligent dialogue? This country is sinking into a morass of rigid idealogues, on both sides. I suppose people’s true colors are beginning to show through.
Michael A. (03f057) — 10/17/2008 @ 4:51 pmComment by Michael A. — 10/17/2008 @ 4:51 pm
Which comments are you referring to? I see a group of people who are astonished at the irrational, idiotic nature of some people and speculating about the next logical steps down this path. You, obviously, see things from a different perspective.
From my perspective, most of the points you try to make lack even the barest minimum of either logic or rational thought. I guess it is all in your world view. My world view is based on the principals of freedom and liberty, duty and responsibility that are laid out in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Yes, that includes the 2nd Amendment as well.
Yours seems to be the principles of Carl Marx and that lovable man, Stalin. “From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.” With you being the one to determine both abilities and needs, of course.
Jay Curtis (8f6541) — 10/17/2008 @ 5:19 pmAre we going to have a complete media investigation of her just like Joe the Plumber? I’m thinking no.
The comments on this site sicken me
Sigmund Freud (0edfdb) — 10/17/2008 @ 5:35 pmYou should really try the DailyKos and the democratic underground. Are you a conservative Christian that makes $140,000 a year too?
The comments on this site sicken me.
Who invited you here? If you don’t like what you see, run to your mommy and ask her to wipe off your vomit, give you some Pepto-Mismol, and a great big hug and kiss telling you what a wonderful boy/girl you are. Sniveling little s**t.
nk (f2ee58) — 10/17/2008 @ 6:51 pmSanctionable. Fines, costs, and reimbursement of attorneys’ fees. Two-month license suspension from the bar of that federal court. That’s what I’d do with this.
Beldar (fea08e) — 10/18/2008 @ 7:23 pmBeldar-
I assume you are talking about what you would do with MK Green, correct?
May I request again that someone address my questions about the Ohio issue in post #7? Hearing an interview of an election board official from Ohio, apparently part of the verification procedure is to cross-check official ID presented (driver’s license and last 4 digits of SS#) with a data bank maintained by the state, and she says she’s not going to do it.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/18/2008 @ 7:46 pmGiving credit where it is due, the county in question maintains an election board of 2 Dems and 2 Repubs who have amiably worked together to throw out all of the bogus registrations they have identified, and all of them are upset about what the Sec. of State is doing.
It sounds like “Chicago-style machine politics” is making the leap to the national stage. And to think, somebody had the nerve to try to get funding for ACORN in the original “bail-out” bill that was defeated.
Anyone with ideas for reasonable shows of civil disobedience?
It’s time to clean out the nests of vipers wherever they’re found.
Another Drew (703fa8) — 10/18/2008 @ 7:56 pmFire usually works very well.
Iffin ya lie to a federal, state, local cop, you can go to prison! Just ask that lady that does all those home help thingies.
What should be the penalty for lying to your employer? (the taxpayer)!
TC (0b9ca4) — 10/19/2008 @ 12:48 amHmmmmm.
How the hell does she have standing for this?
How can anyone sue for damages incurred to someone else?
memomachine (6ab657) — 10/19/2008 @ 2:09 pmI heard today that the official in Georgia who is in charge of such election details is planning on using the state DMV data bank of driver’s license info to check voter registrations, but is being challenged on it in court; the argument that some voters may have failed to update their DMV info if they’ve moved recently, so legitimate voters might be unfairly denied.
So much concern about “voter disenfranchisement”, how about the disenfranchisement of legal voters whose votes don’t mean what they should?
Maybe Jimmy Carter was right about elections not being fair in the US, after all.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/19/2008 @ 6:51 pmI love that comments like #19 are not removed from this site. You and your groupies deserve each other.
At least you are posting articles that admit the Supreme Court handed the 2000 election to Bush. Isn’t it the left’s turn for a handout this year? How ironic.
Jodi (e1231e) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:04 amSo, Jodi admits that the Left is out to steal the election. Thanks.
JD (f7900a) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:11 amJodi, what was the tally for that SCotUS decision? 5-4, right?
Everyone else, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:28 amOkay – I went back and read #19 about 5 times. I fail to see what is so offensive about it, Jodi.
JD (f7900a) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:34 amNot only does Jodi not believe in the 1st-Amendment (Speech Codes R Cool), she also lacks any appreciation of the 14th-Amendment too.
Another Drew (25937f) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:35 amThe SCOTUS intervention (by votes of 7-2, and 5-4) into the fiasco created by the FL Supreme Court’s disregard for FL law, and the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th-Amendment, re-asserted the principle that the Rule of Law sits atop the legal pyramid, not the Rule of Feelings.
Damnit Drew…
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:48 amActual voting fraud on behalf of the Dems …
Dems idea of honest elections
JD (f7900a) — 10/20/2008 @ 10:56 am