Patterico's Pontifications

10/16/2008

Ace’s Proposed Insurrection

Filed under: 2008 Election,Dog Trainer,General — Patterico @ 7:15 am

The media is not going to do anything to help John McCain, ladies and gentlemen. The media will give us stories like this:

[T]he 90-minute debate was a perfect distillation of McCain’s general election campaign, with all of its inconsistent messages.

He spoke passionately about education and free trade and put Obama on the policy defensive more than in previous debates, but he also spent precious minutes bickering over a domestic radical [note well" "radical" and not "terrorist" -- P] from the 1960s. He spoke of his desire to reach peaceably across the aisle, while at times exuding what seemed a barely controlled anger, his jaw clenched as he appeared to show disdain for his opponent.

Racist.

As I say: the media is not going to do anything to help him, or any other Republican.

I’m with Ace — and you should go to his post for the full details of a proposed insurrection. We need action, mostly on informing voters about the Democrats’ responsibility on Fannie and Freddie.

McCain won’t do it. We must.

Here’s how I put it on the 6th: “We need endless TV commercials with clips of Democrats saying there is no crisis. Find the footage of McCain’s speech (if it exists) [decrying the problems at Fannie and Freddie, and sponsoring legislation to do something about it] and run that too.”

When I said that, I was talking about ads like this:

Or this:

It turns out that ads like this work:

Who knew?

Well, we out here in the blogosphere did. John McCain didn’t and doesn’t.

Put aside your rosy scenarios. We are headed for a bloodbath. At this point, every single undecided voter is going to break for Obama. His coattails will bring in more Democrats to a Congress that has a worse approval rating than Bush. It’s absurd — but it’s going to happen.

If we’re going down, we might as well go down fighting — with the truth. So spread the truth to every undecided voter you can.

Show them the ads above. If you’re a fan of the stuff on Obama’s character, read this detailed piece by Baseball Crank, and pick your favorite parts to show the undecideds. But always present your arguments in the context of the economy — and the judgment and integrity needed to do something about spending and borrowing. All roads lead back to Fannie and Freddie and ads like the ones above.

Tell people Obama voted “present” on Fannie and Freddie reform, and considered it a Big Accomplishment to write a letter.

Get out there with the truth.

95 Responses to “Ace’s Proposed Insurrection”

  1. There’s not going to be any bloodbath. Please stop reading the damn newspaper, Patterico! Even you are starting to believe their contrived, biased crap.

    Official Internet Data Office (0516b8)

  2. From Rick Moran via American Thinker Meet the people who are going to put Obama in office.

    Bottom line

    You need a license to own a dog but any fool can vote.

    jeff (06fe75)

  3. I am sure the “bloodbath” reference is a call to action.

    You surely cannot inspire people with the protest chant “What do we want?” “Gradual change!” “When do we want it?” “In due course!”

    Dr. K (f196bc)

  4. I don’t expect Obama to win a single state. But then, again, I have been a Cubs fan for forty years.

    I talked to a neighbor who was solidly pro-Obama. She was married to a member of SDS. She was ready to fit me in a white sheet emroidered with swastikas until I told her about Obama’s vote on the Illinois’s Child Born Alive Act. At the very least, she stopped yelling at me and said she did not know that and would look into it.

    nk (f2ee58)

  5. Obama is bitching about Fox news keeping his poll numbers from being higher. Seems FNC reveals the truth about him and he is unhappy about the disconnect between the truth as revealed by Olbermann and the propaganda espoused by Hannity.
    Gotta love how libs want zero dissent against the Big Zero. Imagine his administration. If Helen Thomas were still around, would she bring her kneepads to press briefings? Who will get the plum WH gigs?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  6. My evidence is admittedly anecdotal: normally staunch conservatives who are staying home. No enthusiasm among any of the conservatives I know.

    But I’m not going to be an Eeyore. Sure, I think we’re going down, and have thought so for almost 2 years. But what the hell good are blogs if we can’t at least *try* to fight the good fight, even when all seems lost?

    If we can’t be inspired by our candidate, get inspired by the idea of telling the truth *despite* our candidate.

    Patterico (e9a58a)

  7. She was ready to fit me in a white sheet emroidered with swastikas until I told her about Obama’s vote on the Illinois’s Child Born Alive Act. At the very least, she stopped yelling at me and said she did not know that and would look into it.
    Comment by nk — 10/16/2008 @ 8:03 am

    Heh. But his record on abortion, and infanticide, simply is not getting out there. People just can’t believe he would support infanticide, esp. since they aren’t hearing it from the MSM.

    Everyone forgets that a few of Clinton’s first several acts as newly sworn in President had to do with promoting abortion. Obama has promised (in front of a Planned Parenthood gathering) to do the same (make his very first act a proabortion one).

    Absolutely committed to every form of abortion, and worse than both the Clintons.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  8. McCain forced Hussein O to openly lie to the American public about his support for the abortion (murder after birth) bill, lie about his connection and support for Ayers and his support for, work for, and financing of ACORN (modern day organized crime).
    All of Hussein O’s lies can be verified by a fourth grader but won’t be by the Lame Stream Media Slime enablers.
    All we can do is keep up a drive to bury the Lame Stream anti-american Media outlets, put they’re employee’s out of work, and quit buying anything from manufacturer’s/businesses that support the democrat socialist party. Ford was almost put out of business by the American people who don’t support gay marriage and several other companies will pay in the future. We need more ‘real American’ organizations like the American Family Association.

    Scrapiron (6afa35)

  9. I agree with your strategy. The Old Media will never get the “Truth” out because they know it will hurt their “Chosen One.” I disagree that all is lost. Joe Plumber could be the Republican’s October surprise. Also, historically polling pre-election was usually 5-10 too high on the side of the Dems. If McCain can stay within 5 points in the polls, he’ll win for sure. If he’s between 5-10 points behind it will be a nail biter, tossup. If he is more than 10 behind, welcome to President Obama and the Communist Regime in Amerika. Stock up on your guns and ammo boys and girls, because the Second Amendment will fade into history, along with capitalism and free speech.

    J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3)

  10. McCain is toast. Finito. Kaput. History. Dole redux.

    Obama might win Indiana. His ads are at the very least 6-1 right now, and have been since the primary.

    JD (f7900a)

  11. My evidence is admittedly anecdotal: normally staunch conservatives who are staying home.

    I’m sure that’s being heard across the country at this point – but I would offer an alternative to this bite off our noses to spite our faces gambit. Don’t give up without a fight – so you don’t agree with McCain on many issues, but do you honestly believe we’ll be better off 4 years from now? It’s a counterintuitive argument I’ve yet to understand.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  12. I have to say, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for McCain. Mostly because he belongs to a party that is currently heavily populated by people who want to win votes by proving that the other side isn’t worth voting for.

    You’d think McCain would learn — what was his best showing in the polls? Not when he released some shocking new scandal about Obama. It when he gave voters Sarah Palin. Long before she ever started attacking Obama and crowing about how she was “Mavericky” — when she was just a positive-talking, smiling, pro-small-government conservative.

    In last night’s debate, McCain won almost every economic policy argument he had with Obama. But whenever he started yacking about Obama’s judgment/character/associations, the only people who were impressed were the Republicans who already can’t stand Obama. They were all like, “yes! that’s so true!”

    But they’re confusing the satisfaction they get from attacking Obama with presenting a convincing argument for McCain. The McCain campaign has become the “not Obama” campaign.

    Good luck with that.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  13. McCain should just stick to wanting to kill, jail, torture or otherwise oppress minorities. Right, Phil?

    JD (f7900a)

  14. By all means, funnel your “extra” money to the guys who cost McCain the election.

    Share the Wealth!

    snuffles (677ec2)

  15. Submit to your collectivist overlords. Those that have, or earn, will have to work extra hard now. Michelle and Barry are not going to let you keep that pie.

    JD (f7900a)

  16. The media will be congratulating themselves for years to come over electing Baracky.

    JD (f7900a)

  17. The right just can’t admit to themselves that Palin cost them the election, can they?

    She scares most Americans.

    Get rid of her and you have a chance.

    With her you have zero chance of winning.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  18. What is the point of voting for McCain. He’s not really much different from Obama.

    Support a real conservative. The Libertarian party’s candidate is Bob Barr. He is supported by Re. Ron Paul, who talked such good sense during the primaries.

    Bob Barr’s website is: : http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

    rrichardson (292479)

  19. The right just can’t admit to themselves that Palin cost them the election, can they?

    She scares most Americans.

    Get rid of her and you have a chance.

    With her you have zero chance of winning.

    Comment by snuffles — 10/16/2008 @ 8:54 am

    Is that why McCain surged in the polls once he picked her?

    Is that why she draws more people in Slow Joe’s hometown than he does?

    Your “analysis” seems poor.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  20. My reasoning, CW?

    How about the folks who think 10% more smears against Obama will pull McCain’s campaign out of its tailspin?

    Like the Truthers who think they just need to yell a little louder.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  21. snuffles – Why do women scare you? You can seek help for that you know.

    What suggestions do you have for getting the media to cover Obama’s lies from last night.

    Help out a little here.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  22. She scares most Americans.

    She may scare you, though I cannot imagine why she would scare anyone. The idea that she scares most Americans is laughable, an unsupported assertion.

    How does your “reasoning” in #20 support your assertion in #17, snuffles?

    JD (f7900a)

  23. Which lies, daleyrocks? The one about McCain’s ads having been 100% negative. The dissembling about Ayers and ACORN? The lie about his response to Joe the Plumber?

    JD (f7900a)

  24. Some problems with this line of reasoning:

    1. Everyone is acutely aware that the only power the Democrats have had were from January 2007 forward when they regained control of Congress. At the same time people are acutely aware the Republican Congress’ ill-focused use of power – Terri Schiavo is a good example.

    2. Home ownership is perhaps the most tangible aspect of “The American Dream.” Most people see institutional attempts to make housing more affordable to poor and minority Americans as a very good idea.

    3. We can argue about whether or not the poor/minority homeowners are the ones who have had the most foreclosed loans. What Joe Sixpack has seen and believes, however, is that it was the real estate speculators and “flippers” who got in over their heads.

    4. With a significant dose of intellectual dishonesty, Republicans have absolutely failed to even ACKNOWLEDGE the culpability of Wall Street. Americans may not understand specifically how Credit Default Swaps and Derivatives work, but they are well aware that Wall Street greed and malfeasance played tremendous roles in this entire misadventure.

    In short, only the wingnut segment of the Republican party pretends to believe that Dems caused our current financial woes during the last 20 months when they were in power by supporting legislation to make housing more affordable for the less fortunate among us.

    Wall Street is apparently off-limits for criticism in the eyes of the wingnut. The American people, however, hate Wall Street far more than they hate the idea of making housing available to the poor. It is very clear in most peoples’ eyes that Wall Street is where the blame lies.

    By pushing a concept that you wingnuts don’t even truly believe in, you’re just going to make your side look even more nasty and out of touch than you already do.

    Metacom (b8c7e2)

  25. I’m sure you guys were equally outraged 4 years ago when the Swiftboaters were smearing Kerry’s military record with their lies, right?

    Beacons of truth that you are.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  26. The One

    You are racist, therefore I am

    jeff (06fe75)

  27. #24 – Since the Dems took power, look at what has happened to gas prices, the economy, etc …

    Making home ownership more affordable is a noble goal, but should never have been done with loans that did not have a down payment, nor loans that the people could not afford, or did not have the credit for. That it is somehow the banks faults for giving loans that the activists sued for and the government demanded is laughable.

    Only people like you, Metacom, think that this is a result of some “de-regulation” by President Bush, or something that just started in the last 20 months.

    Snuffles – What did they lie about?

    JD (f7900a)

  28. I didn’t say that it had anything to do with George Bush.

    Now it’s the last 20 months of the Dems being in power in Congress that has caused oil to rise?

    That’s a breathtakingly stupid statement to make, JD.

    No wonder the American people are engaged in a full scale rejection of the Republican Party.

    Metacom (b8c7e2)

  29. Excellent post. Democrat Senator Chris Dodd’s blatent corruption seems to be given a pass with few exceptions like this link.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122411797796038903.html

    Wesson (f6c982)

  30. Go back to fighting those racist Pilgrims, Metacom.

    The rise in gas prices quite nicely follows the Dems takeover of the House and Senate. I make or draw no conclusions, but am just pointing out the facts.

    JD (f7900a)

  31. My reasoning, CW?

    How about the folks who think 10% more smears against Obama will pull McCain’s campaign out of its tailspin?

    Like the Truthers who think they just need to yell a little louder.

    Comment by snuffles — 10/16/2008 @ 9:08 am

    Let me see if I follow this “logic.”

    Sarah Palin is causing McCain to lose ground in the polls because some “folks” think 10% more smears against Obama will pull McCain’s campaign out of its tailspin.

    Is that it?

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  32. Dump Palin or lose, CW.

    Not so hard to understand.

    snuffles (677ec2)

  33. JD – Add in the lies about the abortion votes, shaking his head like McCain was wrong on the budget votes on raising taxes on people with incomes as low as $42,000.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  34. snuffles – Why are you a gynophobe. Have you been treated poorly by women. Hiding them in Alaska won’t help in the long-term. They are all over.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  35. Just a quick insert here….
    Dennis Prager is interviewing Arthur Laffer re the Wall Street mess…Very Interesting!

    Another Drew (6ac001)

  36. In other words, JD, since 9/11 happened while Bush was in power, it was Bush’s fault.

    That makes a great deal of sense.

    Syracuse! (b8c7e2)

  37. The truth is complex. The consensus outside conservative political circles is that Wall Street played a much bigger role than the GSEs in creating our current misery.

    Tim McGarry (9fe080)

  38. I’m a big fan of Palin’s, daley.

    Please, please put her on the ticket in 2012, too!

    snuffles (677ec2)

  39. On Tuesday, Glenn Reynolds wrote at Instapundit:

    I’m afraid that the way the media is covering for Obama is generating a lot of anger that will make it harder of Obama to govern if elected. Some may see this as a plus, but I see it as furthering the already excessive polarization in our society. I think the media tilt, and the ACORN controversy (which are connected, of course), will be for a lot of people on the right what the Florida recount was for a lot of people on the left.

    I think a coordinated, publicized, media boycott by the right should be a part of this. Media partisanship during this campaign has been a serious enough problem, but if we end up in a situation in which one party controls both the legislative and executive branches of government and we have a Fourth Estate that has devolved into yet another arm of that same party our democracy will be in trouble.

    Aldo (4ca181)

  40. Dump Palin or lose, CW.

    Senator Hairplugs believes America and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon during the Hezbollah/Israeli conflict in 2006 despite being the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. It’s a shame Gov. Palin doesn’t have that kind of hallucinatory ability, which eminently qualifies Joey Scranton.

    Ghost of Ted Gold (9fd170)

  41. “Democrats’ responsibility on Fannie and Freddie”

    Are you talking about making sure that the Dems are included in the cast of characters responsible for the Freddie and Fannie fiasco or are you pushing the idea that it’s entirely their fault?

    In the first case I think that people already know but you are right of course so hey, it’s your time, knock yourself out. If you are talking about the second case then I think you are gonna get a big NO SALE from people.

    As for staying home, I have to agree with Dmac for once, don’t stay home, go vote anyway. #1 you might win and #2 if you don’t like John McCain then vote for a 3rd party. I wish there were more 3rd party candidates with some real money to advertise their presence and to get elected. If Dems and Reps (and their backers)see their gravy train going to some completely different group then maybe they will listen a little better. If the 3rd party candidates prove to be good statesmen then we won’t NEED Dems or Reps. Where did the Republicans come from anyway? Remember? They were the 3rd party once.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  42. Clear demonstration of the facts works when the facts are in your favor. Imagine that.

    Two points that pertain to previous threads that I think are getting last traffic now.

    1) I understand that it is being reported that after multiple interviews the Secret Service has failed to find anyone who states they heard the “kill him” line at the Palin rally other than the reporter.

    2) That issue about voter registration in Ohio, apparently there are ~200,000 questionable registrations that the (newly elected Dem) Secretary of State has had tucked away. The margin of victory for Bush in 2004 was less then 200,000. There was voter registration fraud in Ohio even involving folks from Cleveland, etc., submitting fraudulent voter registrations in some of the small farm towns in NW Ohio, the kind of area where all those bitter people are clinging to their guns and religion (sarcasm). Don’t expect a run on Dem voter registration from that area.

    Point made on radio- Dems lie about Palin backers supposedly shouting “kill him”, and at the same time lie to cover up Obama’s true statement of “Kill them” concerning “unwanted” infants who manage to survive the first attempt at ending their lives.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  43. ACORN…
    I see that somebody in DC has read one of my earlier comments:
    Use RICO on ACORN
    By Examiner Editorial
    - 10/16/08

    (h/t InstaPundit)

    Another Drew (6ac001)

  44. #24: Metacom

    3. …..What Joe Sixpack has seen and believes, however, is that it was the real estate speculators and “flippers” who got in over their heads.

    Here in So Cal where housing prices more than doubled from 2000-2006 so that a tract home sitting on a 4,500 square foot lot built in 1975 had an asking price of $570,000 in 06-07. Even a small 2 bedroom condo was selling for over $400,000.
    Not many people can afford homes priced like that and the demand in this area was so high for these over-priced homes that bidding wars broke out and most homes sold for above the asking price.

    The people who purchased their home years before were now sitting on a pile of equity. I suspect that most homeowners used that equity, the large number of nicely refurbished older homes stand as proof.

    The price of the housing market made it impossible for Joe six-pack to purchase a new home without a few hundred thousand dollars down, which he doesn’t have and Joe six-pack is worried that he wont ever get into the housing market if he waits any longer.

    So the banks arrive to save Joe, they give Joe a 40 year mortgage that is interest only which doesn’t worry Joe, he believes that home prices will only climb higher and now he can afford the bigger home with all the bells and whistles. If he gets in over his head, he can always sell the place and make a profit.

    What Joe failed to realize was the banks making these loans really didn’t care if Joe could afford the house either, matter of fact they also knew Joe couldn’t afford the home, but knowing the loan would be repackaged and sold later, it wasn’t a bottom line risk for them.

    Now 6 months to a year later Joe is getting tired of struggling to make that $3,000 a month house payment leaving little or no money leftover and then to realize he is not even paying on the principle is even more exhausting. Then life happens and Joe’s wife loses her good paying job, the cars breakdown and the price of everything but Joe’s house goes up.

    So Joe decides to walkaway from the colossal burden and thus we now have all these foreclosures.

    ML (14488c)

  45. Dump Palin or lose, CW.

    Not so hard to understand.

    Comment by snuffles — 10/16/2008 @ 9:44 am

    Palin brings record crowds to her rallies and energizes a base that wasn’t exactly thrilled with McCain.

    So explain why you think she brings the ticket down.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  46. You are aware Fannie and Freddie don’t actually loan money to anyone? They purchase existing mortgages in the secondary market. In fact the term “subprime” became lingo for mortgage that Fannie and Freddie wouldn’t buy on the secondary market.

    matt cleveland (be86da)

  47. Patterico’s suggestion is certainly better than his past suggestion of freeping a poll, but it’s still not going to work. You can only contact so many people, and at the same time as they see those videos they’re going to be receiving a different message from the BHO campaign and the MSM. They’re probably going buy the message from BHO/the MSM instead.

    What’s needed is a smarter, much more effective plan that goes around the MSM and shows millions of people that BHO isn’t qualified.

    That plan involves going to BHO’s appearances and asking him a tough question. Like Joe the Plumber, but a really tough question about his lies or the flaws in his policies. I.e., a “prosecutorial-style” question.

    Video of BHO’s response can then be uploaded to Youtube.

    There are details on the plan at my name’s link, as well as a list of those who are aware of the plan but aren’t interested in pushing it for some reason or other. Send them emails urging them to get behind the plan.

    Asking BHO tough questions to his face on video will be very effective, and much more effective than any other plan I’ve seen. But, I need people to push that plan. Please send out those emails.

    How to Defeat Barack Obama (e528c8)

  48. “The consensus outside conservative political circles is that Wall Street played a much bigger role than the GSEs in creating our current misery.”

    Tim – What consensus? Your link doesn’t demonstrate a consensus. I think your alleged consensus is much like the alleged scietific consensus that global warming is caused by man.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  49. “In fact the term “subprime” became lingo for mortgage that Fannie and Freddie wouldn’t buy on the secondary market.”

    matt – You are aware that lenders and the GSE’s strong-armed mortgage insurers into driting coverage for subprime loans, allowing lenders to unload them to Fannie and Freddie, driving the development of an active secondary market. You were aware of that right?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  50. The problem with confronting Obama on his lies is that he is just going to continue to lie. If confronted, he will use his Ivy League education and public speaking training to gloss over the issue and make it look like another baseless attack on his character. Obama is a prime example of the leftist illuminati at work creating false perceptions.

    Jeff (e00ed5)

  51. You people should see the burning down the house video/financial crisis on youtube, if yo’ve not already.

    ed (80a62a)

  52. #48

    You’re right, daleyrocks, one observer quoted in a WSJ story does not a consensus make. Nor do I have any polling data that shows such a consensus. It’s just a hunch and I’m not offering it as more than that.

    Maybe some of the polling organizations will look at this question. We’ll see.

    Tim McGarry (9fe080)

  53. She scares most Americans.

    This thing’s overweening fear of one woman is truly hilarious – just call yourself a misogynist and get it over with.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  54. The out of touch media and Obama campaign do not know Joe the Plumber. He has thrown them for a loop. They did not know people like Joe the Plumber are the backbone of America and are trying to destroy him as we speak. Bad mistake and miscalculation on their part.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  55. The One in a coming article

    Barack Obama riffs on his media image in an interview for the New York Times Magazine, which quotes him as suggesting FOX News has cost him a few points in the polls.

    Hell, if not for ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times, LA Times, etc., he wouldn’t even be in the race.

    jeff (06fe75)

  56. Domestic Radical… do ya think that might have been a result of a find and replace terrorist with radical?

    kimsch (2ce939)

  57. Jeff: If I were ever able to ask BHO a series of questions about the main topic I cover, he wouldn’t get away with lying to me.

    And, it’s possible to craft questions in such a way that he only has two options: either answer the question, or obviously fail to answer the question. If the latter, then someone else can ask the question again, using the fact that he didn’t answer the question before as an introduction.

    If anyone really doesn’t want BHO to become president, then send out emails to major bloggers urging them to get behind my plan. Because, just continuing to do things that haven’t worked in the past is clearly a recipe for failure.

    How to Defeat Barack Obama (e528c8)

  58. I noticed that Obama threw Columbia under the bus which had to have Chavez and FARC applauding wildly.

    Obama repeated the old lefty talking points of right wing death squads targeting innocent teachers…. which is interesting because Ayers and his friends were left wing death squads who have become teachers and thus rehabilitated; and irrelevant to the discussion somehow.

    I think this type of talk from Obama shows how close to Ayers Obama is.
    Ayers is a big supporter of Castro’s Cuba,
    Chavez’ Venezuela, Ortega’s Nicaragua, Moreno’s Bolivia.
    Obama is happy with the far left turn we see south of our borders… a result Ayers has been lobbying for since back when a bunch of lame college idiots went down to Cuba to “help with the sugar cane harvest”. Like as if a bunch of daft weed smoking hippie rich kids even knew how a machete works…. the whole bunch of them probably actually slowed the harvest down, but I digress..

    Another glimpse into Obama’s deeply anti American world view. A view that elevates those who despise us, and lowers those that are currently our friends. Idiot.

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  59. Heh. Staunch conservative voters have been staying home for at least six years by way of trying to ‘teach’ the Republicans a ‘lesson.’

    So…how’s that strategy workin’ out for ya, kids?

    Warren Bonesteel (129562)

  60. “…for at least six years…”

    That surely explains how the GOP picked up strength in the ’02 election, and how GWB defeated Jean Francoise in ’04.
    A lot of people in ’06 tried to teach them a lesson, some recipients of that lesson are still trying to complete their home-work.

    Another Drew (6ac001)

  61. Heh. Staunch conservative voters have been staying home for at least six years by way of trying to ‘teach’ the Republicans a ‘lesson.’

    So…how’s that strategy workin’ out for ya, kids?

    Comment by Warren Bonesteel — 10/16/2008 @ 3:14 pm

    1-1?

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  62. Clearly, it makes sense to blame the Democrats for the GOP congress’s failure to pass a bill in favor of regulation. Yall are trying to sell crap and you’re blaming it on the salespeople. It’s absurd.

    jpe (5320bf)

  63. “Clearly, it makes sense to blame the Democrats for the GOP congress’s failure to pass a bill in favor of regulation.”

    jpe – Check the record dicksneeze. It’s all there.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  64. Even by the lefty standards of the Los Angeles Times, that text you quoted appeared on a day when the Times’ whole debate coverage was brazenly slanted. The Times signaled its intent by labeling the story as “analysis” and advancing it to Page 1 as the lead debate story.
    Even Mary McNamara — a TV critic, at that — was given her forum in Section 1. Among other Obama-friendly observations, she contended that McCain spoke his “I’m not George Bush” claim “without conviction.” Huh? I must need a new hearing aid.

    james fulton (86d115)

  65. Heh. But his record on abortion, and infanticide, simply is not getting out there. People just can’t believe he would support infanticide, esp. since they aren’t hearing it from the MSM.

    I spoke with a health technician today and she asked what I had against Obama. Realizing there was limited time and a plethora of possible answers, I opted for the late term abortion/infanticide issue. She had no clue about his voting record on the matter (partial birth abortion) and was very upset about his refusal to mandate aid for babies surviving abortions…mostly she wondered why on earth she had never heard anything about it on the news nor at the debates. And she is a health care professional.

    Dana (658c17)

  66. Bad losers.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  67. What lie did the Swiftboaters tell?

    rrpjr (e98cdc)

  68. What a depressing prospect. A socialist is about to become POTUS because McCain refuses to fight for the job despite winning the GOP nomination over the much more intelligent and qualified Mitt Romney.

    Terry Gain (e4a9f9)

  69. “What lie did the Swiftboaters tell?”

    They told the most invidious lie of all…

    THE TRUTH!

    Another Drew (6ac001)

  70. Sure love – bad losers. Keep telling yourself that.
    This video has affected more Democrats than anything else I have shared:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b63bBCC2-yM

    rhodeymark (6231e5)

  71. Bad losers.

    Dumb Bobo.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  72. The McCain campaign has become the “not Obama” campaign.

    While the Obama campaign has been the “Not Bush” campaign since its inception.

    It’s turtles all the way down.

    Pablo (99243e)

  73. You know I have yet to see one of those youtube campaign ads. They always come up with “We’re sorry. This video is no longer available.”

    I don’t even think it’s a matter of partisanship on Youtube’s part (although it has crossed my mind).

    They just have too damned much content.

    What we need is a dedicated video site for the GOP, which never gives you the wrong number.

    A GOPtube.

    With the millions of dollars flowing in to campaign coffers some few thousands for an online video service so that the faithful and others can see your message at anytime of the day or night seems like a no-brainer.

    Make it so.

    papertiger (27f0ed)

  74. What we need is a mainstream media that knows the difference between a news story and an editorial. The media is turning its back on Obama’s lies and questionable relationships and is doing everything it can to make him look like America’s savior. Instead, Obama is a lying member of the leftist illuminati, but we won’t know the story until it’s too late.

    Jeff (8f2767)

  75. All roads lead to Fannie and Freddie? That is just absurd. Poor, minority, home-buying individuals taking out loans they can’t pay back has set off an international financial crisis? Really? You don’t think that the thousands of traders bundling and re-bundling these bad mortgages and selling them to each other over and over again has anything to do with it?

    Uh, Terry? (3294b8)

  76. Comment by Uh, Terry? — 10/17/2008 @ 10:00 am

    Terry, bundling of mortgages into MBS’s is exactly what Fannie and Freddie were doing, and selling these securities to investors around the World, including national banks overseas.
    Fannie and Freddie are at the heart of the International Financial Crisis!
    Please try to keep up.

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  77. AD, the problem was that the government did not step in and stop both the trades that F&F were involved in and the many many more where they were not. This problem was created by excessive, reckless deregulation, not loaning money to poor people.

    Uh, Terry? (3294b8)

  78. The regulation of Fannie and Freddie were the responsiblity of the Congress of the United States, a Congress that rebuffed efforts by the President in 2002, and John McCain in 2005, to bring additional regulatory oversight to this matter.

    Any attempt to say that GOP de-regulation (which has not happened) of the financial markets has caused this crisis IS A LIE!

    The only major change to the financial markets has been GLB in 1998, advocated by Robert Rubin and others in the Clinton Administration, and signed by Bill Clinton into law; changes that have kept the financial sector from a complete meltdown.
    It is the repeal of Glass-Steagell that has allowed BofA to acquire Merrill-Lynch, for example, to prevent ML from collapsing, and other commercial banks to acquire investment banks to prevent a full-blown collapse (ie, WellsFargo acquiring Wachovia which owned AGEdwards, for one).
    You need to get your facts straight, and stop relying on the incoherent rants of the the left-wing moon-bats at DKos, PuffingtonHost, DU, and others who have not even a tenuous grasp on reality.

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  79. The regulation of Fannie and Freddie were the responsiblity of the Congress of the United States, a Congress that rebuffed efforts by the President in 2002, and John McCain in 2005, to bring additional regulatory oversight to this matter.

    Any attempt to say that GOP de-regulation (which has not happened) of the financial markets has caused this crisis IS A LIE!

    Wait…. what? It was the responsibility of the Congress in 2002 (when the GOP controlled the House and the Presidency) and in 2005 (when the GOP controlled the House, Presidency, and the Senate) to prevent this, they didn’t, and it’s A LIE to say that the GOP is at fault? It amazes me to no end watching you people pretend like you haven’t been controlling the government for years.

    The fact of the matter is that Phill Gramm pretty much single-handedly deregulated these types of credit trades with an amendment to a bill passed in 2000. That, and the accompanying Republican attitudes about the free market and the role of government that allowed these problems to gestate for a decade, is what’s caused this mess.

    Uh, Terry? (3294b8)

  80. This problem was created by excessive, reckless deregulation

    Name the specific de-regulation, and how the removal of said regulation allowed all that you claim to have happened.

    JD (f7900a)

  81. Barney Frank bottled up this legislation as the Ranking Member of the Financial Services Cmte, with the complicity of the GOP members who were bought off by political contributions from Fannie and Freddie.
    In the Senate, there were never 60 votes to pass additional measures against the GSE’s; therefore, the institutional filibuster was in effect, and no legislation could be brought to the floor for a vote.
    You, Terry, need to learn how Congress works, and how it doesn’t.

    The Phil Gramm boogyman is just that, an artifice to detract your attention from those who were critical to the defrauding of the public committed by the officers of Fannie and Freddie: James Johnston, Franklin Raines, and Jamie Gorelich, among others (all Democrats).

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  82. I would also add that the democrat Barney Frank when he was chairman of the house financial services committee never once mentioned his male lover (Herb Moses) was an executive at Fannie Mac.

    That is only the beginning of how corrupt the democrats as a whole really are.

    If Barney Frank was an ( R ) his homosexuality and conflict of interest would be open for ridicule by the MSM, with bad puns like that was a backdoor deal, but he is a ( D ), so its off limits.

    ML (14488c)

  83. Name the specific de-regulation, and how the removal of said regulation allowed all that you claim to have happened.

    http://www.stroock.com/SiteFiles/Pub134.pdf

    It’s prevented any oversight of the derivatives market for the past 8 years, and it’s that market that has caused the current problems.

    Uh, Terry? (3294b8)

  84. I though Mortgage Backed Securities were what caused the problem because, with the collapse of the Residential Real-Estate Market, no one has any way of valuing those securities?

    The Hedge-Fund sector, along with the derivitives they deal in, have been relatively unaffected by the crisis, and is one sector of the market that still is operating.

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  85. “thought”, not though.

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  86. and another thing on derivitives…

    Just what oversight/regulation was there of the derivitive market prior to 2000, and what act of Congress rescinded that oversight/regulation, and how?

    If there was regulation of the derivitive market prior to 2000, it certainly never prevented the bankruptcy of Orange County CA in the early 90′s, so how can you tell us it would (if it ever existed) have prevented the current crisis, which has nothing to do with derivitives?

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  87. Uh, Terry? – What caused the problems in the valuation of the derivative contracts? Also are you talking about notional amounts or net settlement amounts?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  88. Barney Frank bottled up this legislation as the Ranking Member of the Financial Services Cmte, with the complicity of the GOP members who were bought off by political contributions from Fannie and Freddie.

    ‘Ranking’ isn’t the same as ‘Controlling.’ Republicans controlled that committee, like they controlled all House committees, for 6 years. How do you mean he bottled it up? Barney Frank wasn’t running the committee, Republicans were. Why is he to blame?

    In the Senate, there were never 60 votes to pass additional measures against the GSE’s; therefore, the institutional filibuster was in effect, and no legislation could be brought to the floor for a vote. You, Terry, need to learn how Congress works, and how it doesn’t.

    The ‘institutional filibuster’ only applies to situations when the minority part has the Presidency and thus, veto power. Republicans didn’t need 60 votes to get things passed from 2002 to 2006, they needed a majority.

    The Phil Gramm boogyman is just that, an artifice to detract your attention from those who were critical to the defrauding of the public committed by the officers of Fannie and Freddie: James Johnston, Franklin Raines, and Jamie Gorelich, among others (all Democrats).

    Well, what your argument has come down to is basically that Barney Frank single-handedly prevented the Republicans from doing anything. Even if it had any basis in reality, it would still be a total misidentification of the problem. It’s the deregulation of the derivatives market that was the problem, and that was brought to us by Republicans.

    Uh, Terry? (3294b8)

  89. Uh, Terry? – In #88 you just demonstrated your ability to deny reality. The facts were explained to you. You have no credibility.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  90. You had best look up what “Ranking Member” means, and how the system works, before you complete making sure that everyone knows that you don’t know a thing about DC, and how your government actually works.

    Barney Frank, in the House, and Chris Dodd, in the Senate, were the point men to protect the private slush-fund known as Fannie and Freddie – see who was getting the most amount of political contributions fron these two entities (Barack Obama, BTW, received the second largest amount of money from Fan and Fred in just the 4 years he has been there, on a list that was compiled over the last ten years). They made sure through parlimentary proceedure, that nothing ever came out of committee that would impinge upon the system set up at Fan & Fred, and that the gravy-train would continue for those sucking at the teat (you do know, don’t you, that Franklin Raines walked away from Fannie with over $90Million in compensation, and had to give back $22Million in a lawsuit over his actions while running Fannie).

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  91. From way back in 2003.

    Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, said the administration’s position is driven by concerns about the financial safety and soundness of the companies “to the exclusion of concern about housing.” Committee members were ready to support legislation that would give the Treasury Department oversight of Fannie and Freddie, as the administration has sought, Frank said, not power over the companies’ housing activities, which are regulated by the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

    FNM

    Ironic that the Bush admin has been asking for the oversight for a long time. But according to the liberal news media, Its all Bush’s fault.

    ML (14488c)

  92. Facts are inconvenient things!

    Another Drew (7894e6)

  93. Shit, did Uh, Terry? miss Bill Clinton’s recent comments about Democrats blocking his efforts to rein in the excesses of Fannie and Freddie while he was President as a contributor to this crisis?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  94. The media is too busy wasting time on stories about Cindy McCain handing out Halloween candy on their jet to reporters and saying that everything is just where they want the campaign to be. They tried to paint Cindy as lacking in reality instead of printing the truth about Obama and his associations with terrorists and bigots. Oh well, it’s just part of the leftist illuminati hard at work.

    Jeff (3396e6)

  95. “…the leftist illuminati…”

    When you look into their eyes, and see that no-one’s home, isn’t that the definition of a Zombie?

    Another Drew (7894e6)


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