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10/12/2008

Obama Rallies Turn Ugly

Filed under: 2008 Election,Crime,General,Humor,Media Bias — Patterico @ 2:04 pm

PHILADELPHIA, PA — In a sign of increasing nastiness on the left, supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama have been booing rivals John McCain and Sarah Palin, and even screaming “liar!” — with no response from Obama.

Yesterday, at a Philadelphia hockey game, Obama supporters booed Sarah Palin — despite the fact that Palin was accompanied by her 7-year-old daughter. Some notoriously conservative news outlets, such as MSNBC, have reported that there were cheers mixed in with the boos. But it appears clear that there was significant booing, all from Democrats — and the trend towards ugliness is clear.

The emotion of anger has been distressingly present at Obama rallies. Stephen Hayes reports the disturbing details.

This morning at a McCain rally here, a bearded young man in the crowd responded to a McCain critique of Barack Obama by shouting: “You’re a liar John!” He then hoisted a young woman with an antiwar poster onto his shoulders and began yelling antiwar gibberish as McCain tried to continue his speech. When McCain supporters ripped up the woman’s sign, she unfolded another one and the spectacle continued.

Earlier, at a rally in Philadelphia, Obama praised John McCain’s service to America and called for a civil debate over the final days of the campaign. He was lustily booed by his angry supporters.

And yesterday, at a McCain rally in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, another angry heckler shouted “Liar” and other insults at McCain from the crowd.

There are indications that Obama has been spurring his crowds to anger, sometimes launching into what Reuters as described as an “attack” against the former POW and military hero, even as McCain has been cautioning his supporters to respect Obama.

In addition, reports indicate that Obama failed to bring his rallies to a grinding halt to remonstrate the hecklers. Some say that Obama must have heard the hecklers, since reporters heard them. Other experts suggest that Obama is creating an atmosphere that could well turn to violence. As James F. Treacher, Professor of Media Studies at Noesutch University, notes: “If Obama isn’t an evil, racist, fascist hatemonger of hateful hatred, why hasn’t he conceded the election?”

Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin warns that the recent Democratic anger is part of a larger trend of death threats and other concerning behavior from the left. Malkin, who routinely receives racist attacks and death threats from Democrats, notes in a comprehensive post the hate-filled attacks on McCain and Palin, such as artwork calling Palin a “MILP” — “Mother I’d Like to Punch.” Malkin’s post is replete with examples of the left suggesting that President Bush be killed, and that McCain and Palin be attacked in violent ways.

“Holy crap,” New York Times columnist Kall Prugman said in a brief phone interview. “I had no idea we were worse than the people at the McCain rallies.”

UPDATE: Thanks to Instapundit for the link. Here is some more stuff that would be Very Significant if done by McCain supporters, but hardly merits any mention, because it was done by Obama supporters:

  • Vandals spray-paint “Republican means slavery” at a local GOP Headquarters. (By the way, the linked story continues to spread the canard that someone yelled “Kill him!” about Obama at a McCain rally. That is a lie. If the phrase was yelled (a commenter of mine says the man was yelling something else), it was about murderous terrorist Bill Ayers and not about Obama.

At the L.A. Times, blogger Andrew Malcolm is asking very sensible questions: Does political restraint apply only to Republicans? And if the Democrats fail to exercise restraint, will the media notice? I hope he is asking his colleagues this question — and I hope his colleagues are listening. So far, however, his own paper seems interested only in painting Republicans as “nasty.”

331 Responses to “Obama Rallies Turn Ugly”

  1. “Yesterday, at a Philadelphia hockey game, Obama supporters booed Sarah Palin — despite the fact that Palin was accompanied by her 7-year-old daughter.”

    Even the most dim witted were well aware she would be booed.

    Governor Palin using her 7 year as a shield was a cowardly act. And aren’t we supposed to leave the children out of it, anyways?

    A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos. True patriots from the city that birthed our great country. Most American’s (not the 25% ers) are grateful.

    jharp (2282bb)

  2. Patterico,

    “In a sign of increasing nastiness on the left”

    Have you not seen the McCain rallies. There very well might be some anger from the democrats but can you blame them after what Bush and the GOP has done to the country. And I have yet to hear “kill him” for the left.

    Yet the democrats angry outburst pales in comparison to the right wingers.

    jharp (2282bb)

  3. jharp: “A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.

    I approved this comment but please think twice before you say things like this in the future. It makes you look very bad.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  4. “A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.” Typical, leftard manners, and an accurate depiction of how most of them behave – rude, crude and lewd.

    STEPHANIE Silva (a6c838)

  5. Booing in the context of a sporting event? Unheard of! Suddenly things that have been occurring at both Republican and Democratic events is more repulsive at the Democratic ones? Give it a rest. I am literally done with this site. There has been nothing of substance added in weeks. I came here for healthy debate, but all I’ve been hit with is horrible logic written with better-than-average vocabulary.

    If A+B=C and C-D=A, then Obama is a terrorist.
    I am going to find a site that will actually provide a healthy, respectful, and thoughtful debate; this one just doesn’t have any of those things.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  6. Good riddance! (yeah, you’re predictable too)

    hey, a letter I received from a fellow Christian and Obama voter:

    Dear _______,

    I have to be honest that I’m a little hesitant to answer your question. From the stuff I’ve read that people are writing on Facebook, I have a feeling that you are really not going to like what I have to say. But I hope that you can respect that my opinions have been thought out and are based on my understanding of what the Bible has to say on a lot of issues.

    From what I understand, there are two things most evangelical Christians have a problem with about Senator Obama: 1) his stance on abortion and 2) the possibility that he isn’t a “real” Christian. Let me start by addressing why these two things don’t stop me from voting for him.

    1) Abortion:

    For the record, let me start by saying that I think abortion is a tragedy and morally wrong. However, having had an evangelical, pro-life president and a Republican Congress for 6 out of the last 8 years has done NOTHING to help reduce the number of abortions in this country. However, this year, with the help of evangelical Christians like Tony Campolo, the Democratic party has added to their platform the goal of reducing abortions in this country by, among other things, providing greater pre- and post-natal care to poor woman, providing more comprehensive sex education, improving access to education for woman who do get pregnant, providing income support and increased access to adoption programs. Furthermore, 60 percent of abortions are motivated by economic issues. The fight against poverty is a crucial front on the fight against abortion. It is highly unlikely that Roe v. Wade is ever going to be overturned in our country – most Americans do not want all abortions to be illegal. So since this is the case, why shouldn’t we put more money into reducing abortions instead of wasting our time and energy on something that isn’t going to happen? Before Senator McCain started running for the presidential nominee, he admitted that he didn’t think Roe v. Wade should be overturned. He is a politician using this highly divisive issue to win votes.

    Rick Warren recently declared: “Jesus’ agenda is far bigger than just one or two issues. … We have to care about poverty, we have to care about disease, we have to care about illiteracy, we have to care about corruption in government, sex trafficking.” I believe this is an important part of the new politics of evangelical Christianity. We HAVE to care about more than 1 or 2 issues. We have to care about the environment, those without health care, the poor, the disenfranchised, those in prison, people dying of HIV/AIDS, people starving around the world. I am voting for Senator Obama because his positions on these issues align more closely with mine – and I’m trying to base my positions on my understanding of how Christians are supposed to be living out the Kingdom of God in the world.

    Now to the point about Senator Obama being a Muslim or a terrorist or whatever. First of all, there is only one presidential candidate in this election who has ever publicly declared that Jesus is Lord. And that is Senator Obama. Yes, his father was a Muslim-turned-atheist. Since when do we hold children responsible for the faith of their parents? He has been active in a church community for 20 years, admits to a moment of asking Jesus to be his personal savior, and is clearly in love with his wife of 16 years and respected by his 2 children. Why do we doubt that this man’s faith is sincere? Here’s what McCain said when asked about his own faith:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/16/mccain-is-asked-is-jesus-christ-your-lord-and-savior/

    Now I am not one to believe that a person has to have a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ to be a good government leader. We have had 8 years of the most evangelical president ever. What has that done for us? Is this country following any more closely to “the will of God?”

    Finally, I have to say something about the politics of hate and fear. This fear that is running through conservative circles about Obama’s ties to terrorists is basic prejudice. Governor Palin’s recent comments about Senator Obama “palling around with terrorists” or “not seeing America the way you and I see America” are wrong. Yes, Senator Obama had a professional relationship with Bill Ayers, who 40 years ago was part of a violent anti-Vietnam group. But now Bill Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois, has done terrific work in the area of juvenile justice, and was recognized as Citizen of the Year in Chicago in 1987. But the real issue is when Governor Palin uses the word “terrorist” she knows that she’s not conjuring up images of an old white professional man in a large Midwestern city. She knows that “terrorist” brings up images of men with different skin color, that it preys into the fears of average Americans. That is wrong.

    Politics should bring out the best in us. We should be having high-minded debates about important issues and we should disagree with each other with respect and compassion. I don’t see that in the angry McCain/Palin rallies. I don’t see that when I read on the Facebook pages of people I love and respect that they don’t see how a Christian could vote for Senator Obama.

    The world is a big, messy place and Jesus was rarely cut-and-dried on issues except that we are supposed to love our neighbors and care for the least among us. If, for you, that means voting for someone who, in theory at least, is against abortion, then I can respect that. But for me, that means voting for someone who will decrease the tax burden on working class families, who will increase federal aid for those dying of AIDS, malaria, and TB around the world, who will seek to end a war that is killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, who will work to provide health care for the 50 million people, mostly children, who must go without it in the wealthiest nation in the world.

    truthnjustice (d99227)

  7. _____________________________

    “Holy crap,” New York Times columnist Kall Prugman said in a brief phone interview. “I had no idea we were worse than the people at the McCain rallies.”

    Yep, you on the left, as things turn out, actually are worse — and surprisingly hollow when it comes to truly meaningful do-gooder, big-hearted sentiments — in more ways than you realize.
    _____________________________

    Mark (f41e3c)

  8. jharp: “A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.”

    I approved this comment but please think twice before you say things like this in the future. It makes you look very bad.

    Comment by DRJ — 10/12/2008 @ 2:44 pm

    To me, injecting politics into a sporting event at this time is completely inappropriate.

    Maybe they were booing that and not Governor Palin though I doubt it.

    And Governor Palin subjecting her daughter to the debacle was not putting her daughter first. Everyone was well aware the extreme likelihood of boos. Leave the kids out of it.

    jharp (2282bb)

  9. And aren’t we supposed to leave the children out of it, anyways?

    Said the commenter who made fun of Palin’s Down’s Syndrome child. You’re beneath contempt, and a real scumbag.

    Now go ahead and call me and everyone else who will republish your filth (after you deny it for the umpteenth time) a big liar.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  10. this one just doesn’t have any of those things.

    Considering your idiotic postings here, we’ll take that as the ultimate compliment. No don’t come back, lest you beclown yourself to the point of complete buffoonery.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  11. “Now.”

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  12. According to the Dems and the MSM:
    – Repubs don’t care if you get sick, they want more fossil fuel
    – Repubs don’t care if the temperature rises and drowns all of the polar bears before destroying the planet, they’ll be dead by then (they don’t care what happens to their own grandchildren, let alone ours)
    – the world hates us because of Republicans
    – Bush lied and people died, repeat until you mumble it in your sleep
    – they even out their covert agents if they get out of line
    – the repubs are in with the big fat cats on Wall Street and the evil corporations, they don’t care about the little guy, they ruined the economy
    – the repubs are anti-science, they’re against “stem cell research” (says so everyday on my radio, don’t bother me with details)
    – the Dems are for minorities, so the Repubs must be against them

    The last few years I have read how conservatives are being “marginalized”, how conservative perspectives are delegated more and more to the “far right” and to the “fringe”.

    On some level this is what must happen before every holocaust, get the public consciousness to not even think of “them” as human anymore, whether the “them” are Jews, unseen embryos, babies born alive from a “failed” abortion, people severely handicapped (Terri Schiavo), people not so severely handicapped (Trig Palin), people who cause problems for the rest of “us”…

    Years and years of irresponsible education of the public, by our schools or by the MSM, are threatening to bear rotten fruit. And all in the wake of the “different kind of politician” that is “post-partisan”, “post-race”. He is encouraging a climate where if he loses there will still be hell to pay, for the next 4 years at least, unless somehow a fresh wind of responsibility and integrity sweeps through.

    McCain needs to realize “crossing the aisle” gets brownie points only if you are a Republican in Congress and undercutting a Republican administration. He should have taken better notes at the credit Bush got for trying to do bipartisan things.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  13. Wow, this is silly.

    It’s obvious that you’re trying to compare Obama rally-goers yelling “liar!” with the recent news of McCain/Palin rally-goers yelling “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” and “Terrorist!”

    Doesn’t hold water, my friend. Calling someone a liar and saying they should be decapitated are not the same thing.

    So if you wanna talk about rally vitriol, it’s an argument the McCain campaign loses.

    Also, since when is everyone at a hockey game a Democrat? Hockey isn’t exactly the home of the “liberal latte class.” Besides, fans in Philadelphia booed Santa Claus at an Eagles game. It’s a tough town.

    The crowd saw Palin using their team as a shallow photo-op, so they nailed her for it. The fact that she dragged her daughter into that situation tells you all about her family values: her family is *value-able* to her ambitions, despite what harm she may be doing to them as young people caught in the media crossfire.

    RC (4f6cd4)

  14. I am literally done with this site.
    Please, keep your promise.

    Governor Palin using her 7 year as a shield was a cowardly act.
    Parents who love their children often do things with them for fun.
    DRJ may have let the post get through, but comments that are beneath contempt are also beneath acknowledgement.

    I am now going to list every post on this site that advocates causing grief for Obama’s children:

    I know there is a Latin phrase that lawyers use that means something like, “The thing proves itself”. If this thread is about how ugly Obama backers are getting (are getting?), then (insert Latin phrase)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  15. I would like for mean & nasty things to happen to jharp — wife eats the last cookie in the bag, dog pees in his shoe — because of his inability to handle compound words (dimwitted, indeed).

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  16. RC, ditto #10

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  17. That’s right, RC. Anytime she shows up anywhere in public it’s nothing more than a shallow photo-op. How . . . DARE she try to act like a normal mother!!!

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  18. First we have this:

    Calling someone a liar and saying they should be decapitated are not the same thing.

    Followed by this:

    The crowd saw Palin using their team as a shallow photo-op, so they nailed her for it.

    The Troll appears to have a problem recognizing cognitive dissonance within it’s own posting. However, the term itself is probably beyond said Troll’s vocabularly at this point of it’s gestation.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  19. I am literally done with this site.

    Now that’s hope and change I can believe in!

    Dana (658c17)

  20. I would like for mean & nasty things to happen to jharp

    I think we already realize that many mean things have happened to Harpy; no home, no wife, job as Fluffer on snuff films – anyone with that much bile and bitterness must be quite disappointed with how it’s life has turned out.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  21. The problem, MD, is that Palin can’t be so ignorant as to think this was going to be “fun” for her child. She was anticipating the boos, and set her daughter up in hopes of deflecting it. She says so herself.

    The other idea is that this whole thing was a plot to play to the sympathies of people looking to demonize liberals. Like the poster and you, MD. In which case it may have succeeded admirably.

    RC (4f6cd4)

  22. Said the commenter who made fun of Palin’s Down’s Syndrome child. You’re beneath contempt, and a real scumbag.

    Now go ahead and call me and everyone else who will republish your filth (after you deny it for the umpteenth time) a big liar.

    Comment by Dmac — 10/12/2008 @ 3:03 pm

    Said the liar, Dmac.

    Liar.

    jharp (2282bb)

  23. Poof-in-bustier —

    If A+B=C and C-D=A, then Obama is a terrorist.
    — Where, IN ANY OF THE POSTS BY THE REGULAR CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS SITE, does anyone say that Obama is a terrorist? Where, a-hole?

    I am going to find a site that will actually provide a healthy, respectful, and thoughtful debate
    — Find one where being a effing liar is a prerequisite for admission.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  24. YOU CAN DISH IT OUT BUT YOU CAN’T TAKE IT!!!!!

    David Ehrenstein (3f6e26)

  25. She was anticipating the boos, and set her daughter up in hopes of deflecting it.

    Then link your source, douchebag. Right now.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  26. Right now. Do it, or else you’re just another coward.

    Right now, douchebag.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  27. Oh noes! Snarky insult from Dmac, whose demonstrations of circumlocuitous verbosity will surely exceed the linguistic comprehension of any mere mortals in our temporal corporeality. Teach me, O Professor!

    Please give me reports of any death threats made against Sarah Palin at the hockey game.

    RC (4f6cd4)

  28. ‘Kay, douchebags.

    How’s Fox News?

    http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/palin-drops-puck-at-flyers-game-receives-mixed-reaction/

    The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!”

    RC (4f6cd4)

  29. Actually, Dmac, to be even I need even more than that. Give me an example of a death threat made against either McCain or Palin at an Obama rally.

    RC (4f6cd4)

  30. dmac: this is from an FNC blog. Can’t vouch for it beyond that:

    The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!”

    link

    That sounds like a different thing than bringing her daughter to staunch the boos, but who knows if the FNC blogger is correctly summarizing what she said.

    jpe (5320bf)

  31. jharp:

    To me, injecting politics into a sporting event at this time is completely inappropriate.

    Give me a break, jharp. Just 2 months ago, Obama was negotiating for a NASCAR sponsorship.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  32. Teach me, O Professor!

    If you’re a Flyers fan, then I have to assume you’re beyond simple comprehension skills. You make Dave Shultz look like Einstein by comparison.

    Your link is also bogus – what Palin said and your interpretation are two different things, sorry to tell you. But keep trying to get it right – no doubt you’ll come up with something more coherent.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  33. RC – Give me an example of a death threat made against either McCain or Palin at an Obama rally.

    — Give me an example of where Dmac said that such a threat was made.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  34. Atrios put it well

    How much Sarah Palin’s booing was political (as in, we hate Palin), how much of it was just booing the injection of politics into the game, and how much was simply booing because that’s what Philadelphia fans do I have no idea. The point is that from the moment it was announced everyone knew she was going to be booed. Everyone in the media, from sports talk radio to NPR, said she was going to get booed. It was inevitable, like the sun rising, which was why it was such a stupid stunt and why it was really shitty of her to bring her young daughter out with her.

    Read the comments at the NYT Hockey Page.
    Even Palin knew, so she used her daughter as a screen FOX

    A carpet was laid down and Palin, dressed in a beige trench, walked on to the ice joined by her daughters Willow and Piper. The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!”

    And meanwhile even people inside the McCain campaign have expressed concern over the behavior at their rallies: “Traitor” “Terrorist” “Arab Terrorist”

    The difficulties of the McCain campaign have led some Republican leaders to express concern that he could end up dragging other of the party’s candidates down to defeat. “If Obama is able to run up big numbers around the country,” said Mr. Anuzis, the Michigan party chairman, “the potential for hurting down-ballot Republicans is very big.”
    One sign of that has emerged in Nebraska, where Representative Lee Terry, a Republican, ran a newspaper advertisement featuring words of support for him from a woman identified as an “Obama-Terry voter.”

    The Secret Service was called to check out the behavior at a McCain rally. Has there been anything similar concerning Obama’s events?
    No.

    Nanker Phelge (f26fef)

  35. Nice assumption. I don’t follow hockey. I live in Boston and am usually too busy drinking champagne with my married lesbian friends to bother with such base entertainments.

    Considering my interpretation is about the same as the FNC commentator–that Sarah put her daughter up there to deflect the boos–and FNC is pretty in the tank for McCain/Palin, I don’t see how I’m so far off.

    You’re right that I haven’t analyzed the transcript of her fundraising speech, but the last time I checked the internet wasn’t law school. And I have better things to do, like figure out how to spend your tax money on Ted Kennedy’s infrastructure projects.

    By the by, most of the smartest people I’ve met (you know, those Harvard elites) don’t address people as “douchebag” when engaging in an argument. That’s something people with intellectual insecurities usually do.

    RC (4f6cd4)

  36. Icy–I’m asking him to prove the cognitive dissonance of my earlier post, which he did allege.

    To do so, he needs to prove that comments made at Obama rallies are just as hateful as those made at McCain/Palin rallies.

    Unfortunately Palin fans set the bar pretty high, so I don’t think he’ll be able to do it. . .

    RC (4f6cd4)

  37. Give me an example of a death threat made against either McCain or Palin at an Obama rally.

    I’ll do that one better, Douchey – these are protests that turned violent before they were even nominated at their convention in Minneapolis:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protests.html

    The police also broke up a large – scale plot to attack convention delegates:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-31-protesters_x.htm

    Now, who’s the real party of “violence,” Douchey?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  38. Nanker, it is getting pretty old that all the Obama trolls repeat the nonsense about the Secret Service investigating.

    When the Secret Service investigated anti-Bush rhetoric – all the Democrats cried about being oppressed.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  39. Look. No one gave a crap that Obama stuck his brats on Inside Hollywood. Twice. Strictly for votes.

    You probably noticed: the Palin family is tough and capable. They aren’t the self-probing cream puffs that you guys promote from the radical fringe to higher office. She’s accomplished actual reform, where as Barry’s only talked about it.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  40. By the by, most of the smartest people I’ve met (you know, those Harvard elites) don’t address people as “douchebag” when engaging in an argument.

    Gee, perhaps not – but “most of the smartest people I’ve met,” may also not post the following insightful observation:

    It’s obvious that you’re trying to compare Obama rally-goers yelling “liar!” with the recent news of McCain/Palin rally-goers yelling “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” and “Terrorist!”

    Perhaps you could look up the term “moral relativism” and get back you us on that – after your lunch with your Lesbo friends.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  41. I support the death penalty for Ayers style behavior… so what if when someone mentions the evil bastard that I articulate my desire for justice?

    Oh. Wait.
    I said that about someone Obama knows, so by extension I must want Obama to face capital punishment too and thus John McCain is a racist hatemonger…
    bonus logic points for the “intelligentsia on the left”

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  42. …or make contradictory posts like these:

    Hockey isn’t exactly the home of the “liberal latte class.”

    Nice assumption. I don’t follow hockey.

    I forget – who’s making the assumptions here? Or is that another one of your “smart people” argumentative stylings?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  43. and get back you us on that

    “and get back to us on that”

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  44. A wise person once said “if you don’t want to be called an asshole, don’t act like one”
    Which seemed fair, but in this context the person was probably racist and by extension tainted the whole GOP.

    The other issue is:
    Politics is rough
    The world out there doesn’t give crap if Axelrod sues them.
    Obama is a puff pastry who can’t stand any heat.

    Out in the world where the gloves are always off, and the arena is not at all friendly Obama is gonna hand our ass to anyone who says “boo” even as his supporters claim “boo” is short for “jigaboo” and then go into the UN to demand a retraction.

    Obama will give a great, articulate speech that our enemies totally ignore and the world will see see Putin, the Chinese, the Taliban, and Chavez laughing out loud at the hope that a speech is gonna change anything they intend to do.

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  45. Victor Davis Hansen once again nails it: “Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain’s and Palin’s racism and hatred.”

    SPQR (26be8b)

  46. What’s the matter with saying that certain things are worse than other things? I’d rather be called a liar than have someone threaten to kill me. Is that moral relativism?

    I would do research on all these things, but I had some downtime at my job (working with the formerly homeless and mentally ill on your tax dollar) before I left, and it’s time for me to go.

    It makes me sad, but the entertainment is appreciated.

    Dmac, all you’re proving is that the violent anarchists (who got stomped on at the DNC rally as well for causing a ruckus) are marginally more pissed at the GOP than the Dems. These aren’t ardent Obama supporters–they consider him another NWO shill.

    I should know, since I shop at one of their bookstores when I need to brush up on my Kropotkin.

    I said I do champagne with my lesbians. My vegan lunches are strictly for my ALF friends, though sometimes I’ll have weekend brunch with the transgendered cabaret.

    Toodles, darlings!

    RC (4f6cd4)

  47. The Secret Service was called to check out the behavior at a McCain rally.

    Knowing who likely was pushing for such a response, all I can say is “big whoop.” The Obama people apparently do have a George-Orwell-ian streak when it comes to comments that bother them.

    Of course, and by contrast, the bile — including words expressing sympathy towards the idea of terrorist bombings — that spews forth from someone like Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers is hunky-dory and AOK with Obama and Co.

    Mark (04a11e)

  48. My vegan lunches are strictly for my ALF friends…

    Ah, so no wonder you’re big on Obama. You’re a terrorist sympathizer too.

    Oh, and please keep drooling on about your champagne-fueled gliterrati lifestyle. Nothing exposes a slum-dwelling, meth-addicted DNC troll faster.

    qdpsteve (f35be1)

  49. And RC, your messiah doesn’t need to threaten anyone at his rallies when he’s got these kinds of thugs to do it for him:

    http://www.katu.com/news/30847164.html

    To save you the trouble, I’ve already listed your most likely responses below. Just pick the letters that best suit you.

    A. They’re not the repub candidates, they deserved it
    B. They’re republicans, they deserved it
    C. The sign is too big, they deserved it
    D. They eat McDonalds sometimes, they deserved it
    E. They’re white and straight, they deserved it
    F. All of the above

    qdpsteve (f35be1)

  50. 1. Stop calling others liars and douchebags. Now.

    2. Is there not a SINGLE GODDAMNED PERSON who got the satirical nature of this post? Do you think there is really a columnist named Kall Prugman?

    3. Did a random nutcase yell “Kill him” about Ayers (not Obama)? Maybe. Have random leftist nutcases talked about killing Bush? Yes. Read Michelle’s post.

    Stop pretending your side is better than ours, based on the behavior of some random nutcases. By that standard, you guys don’t do very well.

    Patterico (d8ad11)

  51. It’s funny how this particular article doesn’t find fit to mention that at Palin and McCain rallies people yell “terrrist”, “kill him” and “off with his head” when Obama is mentioned but only focuses on Obama rallies. Lame.

    Nicole Milwaukee (18adb0)

  52. Nicole, actually what is lame is that you fail to read any of the other posts where that is mentioned.

    But then, since you were probably sent here by some dishonest link on a dailyKos post, no surprise.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  53. Ok yes. That was satire. It should’ve said Filadelfia, Yo for the intro.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  54. Is there not a SINGLE GODDAMNED PERSON who got the satirical nature of this post?

    — I did . . . after I caught the “humor” tag.

    Therefore, I was being satirical when I called truthnjustice a liar.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  55. I think Jack Klompus will attest that Philadelphia sports fans can be insufferable. They’ve been known to boo Santa Claus. My own experience there at Eagles, Flyers, Phillies and Sixers games was that punks alone of in groups with or without booze like to show off with despicable behavior and really disrespectful language. So what’s new? There are plenty of assholes everywhere. Patterico gets his share of duplicitous, hatemongering trolls too.

    I have not heard of any reporters or Republican consultants warn that there will be riots if McCain loses…unlike shitheads like that Philly Daily News bitch or ugly ass James Carville.

    Nobama- bend over america

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  56. Nicole Milwaukee is yet another Olbermann fanatic who has gotten lost.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  57. To everyone,

    jharp is, for the time being, a lost cause due to the fact he suffers from “political anterograde amnesia.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterograde_amnesia

    Accordingly, jharp is more to be pitied than hated: pray for his recovery and the safety of his immortal soul.

    MarkJ (7fa185)

  58. Racists

    JD (5f0e11)

  59. Is satire supposed to be funny?
    The humor tag threw me and the chuckles felt guilty… or maybe I thought if I laughed Axelrod would sue me.

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  60. Do you think there is really a columnist named Kall Prugman?

    When I googled that name, I knew something was up (a play on the name of the NY Times very liberal columnist Paul Krugman, perhaps?). However, since that bit of satire appeared directly under a few sentences related to very serious, very hostile reactions (or threats) that Michelle Malkin has received over the months/years, I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it.

    Mark (04a11e)

  61. Do you guys know who Jim Treacher is?

    Say the name of his university out loud.

    Patterico (a662f7)

  62. Yes, I understood the satirical nature of the post – but it was immediately threadjacked by the Trolls, and rapidly went downward shortly thereafter. I will try to refrain from calling others names, but when they continue to misrepresent Palin and then drag her children into every action that she involves them in, it will still necessitate a response.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  63. BTW, Treacher’s a hoot.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  64. you want some humor and moonbats to laugh at?
    http://conservativegamergal.blogspot.com/2008/8/giant-moonbat-puppet-parade.html

    courtesy of zombietime. The American people should check out the antics of Obama’s ‘tards as represented at various protests and parades at http://www.zombietime.com

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  65. The disgusting people of Philadelphia who boo’d a woman and child are the slime of the earth and for those idiots who believe someone called for killing Obama at a McCain rally you obviously do not read the news because it was a plant from….you guessed it the left side of the spectrum……you classless pieces of bitter slugs of human beings who call yourselves liberals have no clue that anger on the right is not nasty it is thoughtful and makes us get on with sending the worst Presidential candidate in the history of the United States back home to his Chicago allies.

    Jaded (c24ced)

  66. Do you guys know who Jim Treacher is?

    If not, neither does Wikipedia, so don’t feel too bad.

    Sans (374f84)

  67. Sans, Treacher is actually quite famous among bloggers for his hilarious work.

    Although frankly, the quote sounded quite legitimate to me, Patterico …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  68. Is that a public university?

    Where do they stand in the BCS?

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  69. Hey,

    I’ll admit I didn’t notice or think it was satire.

    I guess I need to pay closer attention.

    jharp (2282bb)

  70. It was idle last week so it may be tied with ‘Bama.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  71. Oooooo, that was a mean shot from DRJ.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  72. Better to be kicked by Gov Palin’s hockey skate than helped by Obama.

    JJ (c55a70)

  73. Patterico – I was reading some stories this weekend about how members of the Papier Mache Headmakers Guild of America have been traveling to McCain/Palin rallies in the hopes of drumming up business from the teeming masses of angry frothing Republicans they had been reading about in the news. The result – disappointment, no sales, zippo, zilch, nada. One guildmember, Gaia Granola said “These Republicans are absolutely nothing like the crazed members of the left who could be counted on to order up giant papier mache heads for any occasion – Bush, Cheney, Rove, Condi, you name it. If Obama is elected I think a lot of our members will be forced to go one food stamps.”

    Commenting on the situation, one lifelong concerned Christian Republican at one rally said “We don’t need any silly giant puppet heads to get our points across at our rallies. I mean I’m sorry if those guys are out of a job, but it’s kind of a drade school political tactic. I yhink they imported it from the euroweenies or something.”

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  74. Patterico,

    I typically don’t read the categories (my ADD) and did not get clued by logging it under humor.

    I’m afraid I didn’t see much humor in the events themselves or the rude comments that had already hit the thread.

    I did not enjoy seeing Obama taking the city by storm with the full support of the mayor, the governor, and the logistics of the City of Philadelphia pulling off the event at a moment’s notice. I do not enjoy the thought of living in a community where such hostility exists.

    I especially do not like the thought that emotions are being stocked so if the “chosen one” loses we’ll see a repeat of the Rodney King aftermath or a return to the “wonderful ’60’s” for those that missed it.

    One of Obama’s visits was to an area on 52nd Street where my son was in the middle of an interesting confrontation a few months ago. On one corner were adherents to Farrakhan’s Black Muslims, on another corner was a group of Black Islamists of a more “Middle East” variety, on a third corner was a group Black Jehovah followers (sorry, don’t know name, AA version of Judaism). There was a face off due to someone from 1 group having been beaten by another group earlier in the week. It ended non-violently, but the area does not need agitation. People get shot in Philly and elsewhere for a whole lot less. Soldiers go to war and fight for the US so freedom of speech can be maintained for purposes better than vulgar ad hominem attacks.

    Sarah Palin made one mistake, expecting grown-ups to act like grown-ups.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  75. Stop pretending your side is better than ours

    Beyond the behavior of some nutcases on the left and right, when it comes to my side of the political divide, I truly do believe it is better, much better, in fact, in some crucial and surprising ways. So if there is ugly behavior coming from the left, it actually does seem to go hand-in-hand with — as things turn out — the hollowness of what they generally believe their politics is all about.

    Mark (04a11e)

  76. “A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.”

    Ha. The best part is people thinking this was partisan. Santa gets booed and pelted in philly. We should be noting how NICE the fans are since no batteries landed on the ice.

    imdw (45d14f)

  77. Comment by Patterico — 10/12/2008 @ 4:25 pm

    Satire is best presented to an audience that; a, can understand it; and b, appreciate it.
    The Axelrod-Corps has neither the intelligence, nor the comprehension skills.

    Another Drew (912e22)

  78. and another thing….
    Don’t give up your day-job!

    Another Drew (912e22)

  79. You have a point, imdw.

    Just think, no one will ever be able to say that Piper Palin doesn’t like Philadelphia just because she’s never been there.

    I’m going to email the mayor now.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  80. MD – Plus in Philly didn’t you have that newspaper columnist calling for or predicting riots if Obama did not win the election just a short time back. I haven’t seen any conservative leaning journos, the few that can get published, call for or predict violence if McCain loses.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  81. Having my very own Wikipedia entry… what could be more wonderful? [sighs dreamily]

    Jim Treacher (592cb4)

  82. Uh, just about anything else, Jim. Your work speaks for itself.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  83. Umm, Is this a clone story about the ugly McCain rallies?? The nerve that this writer has!

    Joel (edec8e)

  84. Why does jharpy hate other people’s children?

    JD (5f0e11)

  85. Nice to see Mark Steyn link Treacher. Surely a Wiki page is in the offing…

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Njk3YmRiNmI3MjQ4OWEzMDkwOGFhNGY0NWUyMjlkZGY=

    Dana (658c17)

  86. Obama “fans” are the lowest of the low.

    Of course it’s OK to boo Sarah Palin in front of her daughter. NOT..

    How would Obama feel if he was booed in front of his kids.

    Heidi (8bae37)

  87. The slime of the earth votes Democratic and urged by their Messiah, they are indeed “in the face” of the GOP. Losers, liars, nuts, flakes and fruit reside on the left and one can see how unhinged they are by the spectacle they make of themselves as they make a mockery of our elections and civil debate. I have yet to see a story about supporters on the right with as much vile contempt as Obamamaniacs. I have yet to see a story obout protesters arrested outside of the rallies for the “ONE”. To whit there wasn’t any interruptions of the DNC by rabid radicals, yet the leftist snuck into the RNC and tried their best (as lame as they are) to steal thunder. No, these are all part and parcel to the unhinged left.

    And to those who spout crap about the GOP and Bush BS about the economy, do your homework so you don’t look like the absolute fools you appear to be. The state of the economy lies squarely at the feet of the Democratic party, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and the Clinton Administration.

    There is no place for Marxism, no place for voter fraud, no place for socialist programs, and NO utopia associated with Obama – who may or may not even have all the prerequesite qualifications to even run in this race.

    melissaTX (b8bf8d)

  88. Comment by Heidi — 10/12/2008 @ 6:25 pm

    The more important question is how would Obama feel about his kids being booed in front of him?

    And, should we care as long as Michelle can put fruit on the table?

    Another Drew (912e22)

  89. “I do not enjoy the thought of living in a community where such hostility exists.”
    You’re asking sports fans to to adults? When Boston won the series someone pulled a man out of a car where he was siting with his family and beat the shit out of him, for wearing a Yankees shirt. And Palin was going to go around Philly with a Rangers shgit on before someone in an elevator suggested otherwise
    Philadephia Inquirer

    Whose bright idea was this? Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin will drop the first puck at the Flyers home opener on Saturday against the Rangers. With Pennsylvania being a swing state, Palin is hoping to win over a few more voters by making an appearance with the Flyers.
    I’m not going to get into politics here because that’s not what this blog is about, but is this really a good idea?

    “Stop pretending your side is better than ours, based on the behavior of some random nutcases.”

    “Your side” panders to these nutcases: they’re called the base.
    “In the book, Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction, author and former Bush official David Kuo, a real Christian and conservative, explains how Karl Rove referred to their so-called Christian “Values Voters” as “the nuts,” “out of control,” and “just plain goofy.””

    And no, no one high up in the democratic party is as bad as Atwater, who asked for forgiveness before he died, or Rove, or the scum who slimed McCain about his black adopted daughter, and who McCain now hired[!] And no one is as bad as Helms who said “I’m going to sing Dixie till she cries.” And don’t try to come back with Byrd: he’s apologized fully and publicly a long time ago. Should I add to the list? Race-baiting, Red-baiting,
    But what’s the use? Any examples I gave would be from “the press” and you know they’re all liars.

    Nanker Phelge (f26fef)

  90. Treach is scary funny. Scary in the same way that the creepy dude that drives the ice cream truck is scary … 😉

    JD (5f0e11)

  91. Umm, Is this a clone story about the ugly McCain rallies??

    You’d have to be a clone to think McCain’s rallies have been ugly. Specifically, a clone of a clone of a clone.

    Jim Treacher (592cb4)

  92. The Treacher quote was legitimate.

    The facts of the post are true.

    It’s not iowahawk style satire — I’m not anywhere near that good — it’s just a representation of how the media could spin some true real-life events if they were as in the bag for McCain as they are for Obama.

    Patterico (5310b9)

  93. ‘…“I’m going to sing Dixie till she cries.”…’

    Wasn’t that one of Abe Lincoln’s favorite songs?

    Another Drew (912e22)

  94. “The more important question is how would Obama feel about his kids being booed in front of him?”
    The more important question is whether he would bring them along and try to use them as a shield?

    The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!”

    Nanker Phelge (f26fef)

  95. Well, I have to admit that booing kids is not cool; so I’ll have to settle for booing politicians and their wives, and outing their girlfriends.

    Another Drew (912e22)

  96. Nanker is a mendoucheous asshat.

    JD (5f0e11)

  97. Wanker, we’ve already dealt with that story – you’re about five hours behind here; try to keep up before posting more redundancies.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  98. Given this thread’s track record on spotting sarcasm, any chance Sarah Palin was being sarcastic with her comment about Philadelphia fans booing Piper?

    DRJ (c953ab)

  99. Here’s what left-leaning publication The New Republic‘s Michael Crowley had to say October 10th about the stream of media reports of “ugliness” at McCain rallies. Here are Crowley’s comments in a blog post titled “Is the GOP Fury So Unique?” (bold, italics mine):

    My friends and fellow prisoners, time for some straight talk: Politico has a good story today about Republican rage at the notion of an Obama presidency. It cites McCain-Palin supporters raging at Obama as a “terrorist,” a “damn liar,” and a generally wretched and possibly illegitimate figure.

    This is all nasty stuff. But is it really unprecedented? A pitchfork rebellion of alarming proportions? I’m not so sure. Around this time four years ago Democrats raged furiously against an illegitimate, lying “war criminal.” Indeed some even called Bush a terrorist.

    Yes, there’s probably a nativist strain here that makes this uglier than anything we saw in ’04. And anything resembling a threat, or a racial slur, belongs in a special category of contempt. But I haven’t seen many examples of overt racism beyond the smears we’ve seen for months. (Indeed as Noam notes below, race has been somewhat surprisingly absent from ths campaign so far.)

    Unfortunately, to some degree this seems to be what happens in American politics nowadays when one side is losing. No one wants to accept the possibility that they’ve been outplayed fair and square.

    –Michael Crowley

    When a couple of TNR.com participants responded to Crowley’s relative level-headedness by repeating the Obamabot gospel that someone at a McCain rally shouted “Kill him” when Barack Obama was mentioned, this was the response from the blog post’s author:

    Michael Crowley said:

    I won’t be able to stick around after posting this due to deadline, but two points: I took “kill him” to mean Ayers–not Obama. It’s just a far, far likelier explanation given the context. That’s still an ugly thing to shout–but on the other hand Ayers probably would have gotten the death penalty had his bombs actually taken a life. If I thought people were actually yelling that about Obama I would feel very differently.

    I think people may well have shouted “terrorist,” or the equivalent, at Kerry rallies. Liberals were really rally (sic) mad!

    The “boy” slur directed at a cameraman was horrendous but I don’t know what larger meaning it really has. Sounds like certain parts of the South to me, this does not strike me as a revelation or commentary on the state of the race. Unfortunately.

    October 10, 2008 11:43 AM

    Indeed, the blog post that started the whole disingenous ball rolling was Dana Milbank’s Washed-up Post entry detailing the “Kill him” shout. But never did Milbank suggest that Obama was the target of the scream. NEVER. But to my knowledge, Milbank, unlike Crowley, has not corrected the misconception.

    Meanwhile, we have had the MSM scrambling to cover Obama’s pinko posterior over the truth about Ayers coming out. One AP report even referred to Ayers as an “ex-radical.” Ayers, who is staying mum on Obama issues, has never backed down from the radical label and would doubtless still claim it if he dared fan the flames by making himself available for comment.

    L.N. Smithee (7908f5)

  100. Nancy Felcher is a consistently mendoucheous troll.

    JD (5f0e11)

  101. I already have the guns and I’ll be buying three boxes of fresh ammunition.

    Although I’ll be far insulated in my little village from “Obama’s base”.

    The pro-Obama leftards, in their gentrified, over-priced apartments, may be experiencing a little buyer’s remorse, though. Along with looting, arson, battery and rape.

    nk (f2ee58)

  102. Why does jharpy hate other people’s children?

    Comment by JD — 10/12/2008 @ 6:23 pm

    Why do you hate the truth.

    I’d call you a liar but I guess technically you didn’t lie.

    But obviously you cannot justify Governor Palin using her own child as shield so I shouldn’t be surprised that you make an insinuation that is based on lie.

    jharp (2282bb)

  103. nk…
    Do your country a favor, and spare the leftards, unless they’re carrying a Press-Pass.

    Another Drew (912e22)

  104. Err … I won’t be the one victimizing the leftards. It will be their fellow Obamatards.

    nk (f2ee58)

  105. More revelations from Sarah Palin about who the “bad guys” are and who the “good guys” are. Obama and his evil network of “terrorists” are the bad guys. So lets vote for John McCain to stop the bad guys from taking over. Sarah Palin is cool….
    Even the crowd agrees.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  106. There are these sweet, young, blonde, blue-eyed things knocking on my door to ask support for Obama who really need to experience a Chicago West Side “rally” up close and personal.

    nk (f2ee58)

  107. Does love2008 remind anybody else of Eddie Haskell?

    nk (f2ee58)

  108. “Your side” panders to these nutcases: they’re called the base.

    And Barack Obama coddles kooks like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright (aka Obama’s “sounding board”) until his embrace of such fanatics is outed via the press and public criticism.

    Mark (04a11e)

  109. Mark – You are imagining things. Baracky’s relationships with Ayers and Wright will continue to be ignored by the press. Racist.

    JD (f7900a)

  110. love2000hate wrote:

    More revelations from Sarah Palin about who the “bad guys” are and who the “good guys” are. Obama and his evil network of “terrorists” are the bad guys. So lets vote for John McCain to stop the bad guys from taking over. Sarah Palin is cool….
    Even the crowd agrees.

    You’re a liar. This is what your link says:

    “We know that in the war, it’s terrorists, terrorists who hate America and her allies and would seek to destroy us, and the bad guys are those who would support and sympathize with the terrorists,” she said. “They do not like America because of what we stand for. Liberty. Freedom. Equal rights. Those who sympathize and support those terrorists who would seek to destroy all that it is that we value, those are the bad guys, OK?”

    Was Palin suggesting that Barack Obama and Joe Biden don’t understand the terrorist threat? Who exactly were the “bad guys” Palin was referring to? A spokesperson for the campaign would only say that the governor was describing “nations that sympathize with terrorists, period.”

    This is what you Obamabots do: You view each and every word from McCain, Palin, or the campaign’s supporters and look for a way to imply racism or a smear.

    Obama, when McCain pulled even, needed to portray everyone opposing him as racists. He’ll dance around that, but he sends Claire McAsskiss and Bawney Fwank to say it out loud.

    Why won’t Obama accuse McCain to his face?

    L.N. Smithee (7908f5)

  111. Jake Tapper has photos of some vile anti-Palin protesters in Philly. Funny it never made the local news there…but then if its not anti-Palin, its not really news.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/vile-anti-palin.html

    Dana (658c17)

  112. #108
    Are you one of the GOP people John McCain was talking about when he said “Well you’re angry, and I’m angry too”? Are you angry too? Why are you angry? Are you angry because of the economy or because your party is being slapped about by Obama? Or are you angry because you are a mean-spirited, frustrated little man who can’t stand others?
    I am curious, why are you and your party angry?

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  113. Dana – Those clowns wearing those shirts look exactly like what you would expect them to look like.

    L.N. – He will not do so to McCain’s face, because he is a coward, and it is such an incredible lie that even he could not make that accusation with a straight face.

    JD (f7900a)

  114. Typical lovie behavior. SHOCKA!

    JD (f7900a)

  115. Another Sarah Palin, half truth. If you keep telling a lie soon it will become true. Just keep saying it. “I am innocent….” If she says it, I guess that’s what it is. Right?
    Even when evidence contradicts her.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  116. love2008..I think our party is angry because we see our country turning into a socialist country before our eyes and we can’t do anything about it.

    The love fest of the media over Obama hasn’t given the American people a clear picture of who he is.

    Everyone he has a past with, his mentors, those who have shaped his political future have socialist/communist ideals. Ayers, Wright, ACORN, et al..many from the 60’s anti-war movement.

    He comes from the Chicago political machine, that in it’s self is scary, the pay to play scam there goes back for years, cronyism, fraud and crooks all on the taxpayers dime.

    If he forms his adminstration and economic ideas from Cook County, even more scary.

    ask yourself one question, Chicago has Democrat rule, why then does it have the worst schools, crime, poverty and can’t pay the bills..Mayor Daley has to lay off 1000 employees?

    Judy (0a9a5f)

  117. The media and the left are out of touch. They have become innoculated to the degree of their own anger and rage and think they have a monopoly on bitterness in this country. To see the expressions of anger come from other directions come as as shock to people who have been living on a bubble.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  118. bad typos in that one

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  119. Hey Love2008, yet more love for McCain-Palin, eh?

    Vandals spray-painted the words “Republican means slavery” on the door of the York County GOP campaign headquarters overnight Friday.

    Party volunteers called police after discovering the message when they arrived at the office on Rock Hill’s Oakland Avenue. The vandals also stole about 45 candidate signs from the front yard and spray-painted over a banner that carried a picture of Republican presidential nominee John McCain. Their messages included lettering and symbols sometimes used by gangs.

    http://www.heraldonline.com/109/story/877049.html

    Oops. I forgot – it only matters if its against O.

    Dana (658c17)

  120. lovie – That report found that Gov. Palin’s decision was within her authority. What say you?

    JD (f7900a)

  121. res ipsa loquitur

    The thing speaks for itself

    lawmom90 (c09c53)

  122. Come on.. It’s a fact that the dems are insane and deranged. They appear to have very malleable brains.. they take what they think is the path of least resistance.. lazy brains I call it and you know easily led, sheep to the slaughter etc. They are products for the most part of the public school system.. need I say more. The only discourse they know how to have is coarse, vulgar gutter words..words just words (sound familiar?). not fully formed ideas or even paragraphs or hell not even complete sentences.. something like.. oohh oohhh aahhh ahhh.. somewhat like monkeys. I’d feel sorry for them except for the fact they are very dangerous with their mob (sheep) mentality. I have lately come to feel there is a real danger out there for McCain and Palin.. I hope there aren’t enemies within their campaign which is a possibility for McCains penchant of trusting the dems.. he just doesn’t get it.. they think he’s a fool with all this bipartisan crap.. nobody cares about that except him.. he thinks it’s a badge of honor. We conservatives think it’s just stupid. Dems have nothing to offer us. Conservatives are the backbone of this nation. We’re not the freeloading craven neandrathals that make up the dems’ party.

    hogtrrashhd (b09745)

  123. I’m angry cuz the repubs had control
    and they f*cked up
    I’m angry cuz the media wont do their jobs

    I’m angry cuz the dems voted for the war
    [sorry-can’t quote the resolution by congress]
    and 3 months later-they just BITCHED and WHINED
    I’m angry cuz Every major inner city is controlled by dems -and has been 4 40 years!and they pimp black people out..
    is that enuff?..
    oh yeah-I’m pissed Nanker Phelge won’t call
    himself Andrew Lloyd Weber!under-assistant west coast promo-man…my ass

    pdbuttons (359493)

  124. Perhaps a better description of Gov. Palin’s visit to the hockey game can be found here:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2008/10/12/nyt-pulls-misleading-account-palin-puck-dropping-ceremony

    hat tip: Don Surber

    Adriane (b8ecd8)

  125. Love2000hate wrote:

    I am curious, why are you and your party angry?

    While Judy pretty much summed up the reasons why I’m indeed angry (thanks, Judy! :) ) I would like to know why you were compelled to lie about what Gov. Palin said in your link.

    Why wasn’t the truth about what she said not good enough? Why did you say she said “Obama and his evil network of ‘terrorists’ are the bad guys” when she said nothing of the sort?

    Why are you a lying witch?

    L.N. Smithee (7908f5)

  126. 122- surely you know by now that CV dicates that all that dem support went down the memory hole? Revisionist history is de rigeur now. Even though we can see vidoes of Clinton and his minions insisting that Saddam needed taking out well before W was even running for Potus.

    Under asst. west coast promo man? Darn it, I can hear Mick Jagger singing that now. I sure sure do earn my pay sittin’ on the beach every day.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  127. Obama isn’t any sort of power figure. He’s a trained television performer and a teleprompter reader. Sadly, he’s just a field n****r for George Soros… the Chicago machine, Daley and the Strogers… really, anyone he could leech off of to get pushed up the political ladder.

    Luckily, these entries will serve as great I-told-you-so stuff should this hobo break into the White House. A Socialist all set to undo America and sell her soul to hostile nations and ruthless dictators. Expect nothing less, lovey. We’ll be here to remind you, you were buying a bill of goods called hope & change… just wait to see what actually arrives on your doorstep. You’re in for a real shocka.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  128. A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.”
    – – –

    And yet another mooch salivating over his welfare payment . . . er . . . “tax refund” . . . yeah, that’s what we’ll call it . . . is heard from.

    bobby b (4baf73)

  129. Instapundit posts an e-mail from a commenter that captures some of the spirit that surprises the left. It sounds rational and disappointed, not angry.

    “I consider myself a libertarian/conservative. Like many people of that bent, I was uncomfortable with Bush when he was nominated. But Al Gore’s increasingly-erratic behavior during the 2000 election made me hope Bush won.

    Once Bush won, and it became clear that the Florida democrats were trying to steal the election, I became something of a Bush loyalist. Throughout his first term, I took note of all the really horrible things that were said about him, saw that a large portion of the left would rather see Bush fail than see America succeed, and was alarmed by the complicity (and often, participation) of the MSM and mainstream Hollywood. It wasn’t far into his second term that I succumbed to Bush Fatigue, due to his inability to make the case for his foreign policy to the American people, and his inability to find the veto pen. He has truly been a terrible steward of the Republican brand, and because of this, the Conservative and libertarian causes are suffering.

    I’m no fan of McCain , but as I dislike Obama (and love Palin), I’ll be pulling the lever for McCain in November.

    This is surely small of me, but if Obama wins, I plan on giving him as much of a chance as the Democrats gave George Bush. I will gleefully forward every paranoid anti-Obama rumor that I see, along with YouTube footage of his verbal missteps. I will laugh and email heinous anti-Obama photoshop jobs, and maybe even learn photoshop myself to create some. I’ll buy anti-Obama books, and maybe even a “Not My President” t-shirt. I’m sure that the mainstream bookstores won’t carry them, but I’ll be on the lookout for anti-Obama calendars and stuff like that. I will not wish America harm, and if the country is hurt (economically, militarily, or diplomatically) I will truly mourn. But i will also take some solace that it occurred under Obama’s watch, and will find every reason to blame him personally and fan the flames.

    Obama’s thuggish behavior thus far in this election cycle – squashing free speech, declaring any criticism of his policies to be “racist” (a word that happily carries little weight with sensible people these days), associating with the likes of Ayers, Wright, and ACORN – suggests that I won’t have to scrape for reasons to really viscerally dislike Obama and his administration. And even if he wins, his campaign’s “get out the vote fraud” activities are enough to provide people like me with a large degree of “plausible deniability” as to whether he is actually legitimately the president.

    I’ve seen a President that I am generally-inclined to like get crapped on for eight years, and I’ve seen McCain and Palin (honorable people both, despite policy differences I may have with them) get crapped on through this election season. If the Democrats think that a President Obama is going to get some sort of honeymoon from the folks who didn’t vote for him, as a wise man once said: heh.”

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  130. Vermont Neighbor and Daley Rocks –
    Spot on about those sentiments. I’ll rue the day Obama takes over and he’s already saying that the likes of ACORN will help him set his agenda.

    How much of a honeymoon will the media give him, given that they already figurativley suck his johnson? Assclown Chrissie matthews is apparently running right along side him in anticipation of being Pa. Senator in ’10.

    My sense is that Obama and his rubber stamp Congress with lackeys Pelosi and Reid running interfernce will surely fuck up the works big time. Why would it not be remind one of what goes on in Venezuela now? Sure, Chavez has opposition but he does a quite job of silencing newspapers and ordinary dissenters. The blog The Devil’s Excrement out of Caracas has chronicled much of the horror of Hugo. Let’s see how abolishing of blogs like Patterico plays out, or the Fairness Doctrine or an Obama Justice Dept. run amok. Being a geezer already, I intend to do my part by paying as little in taxes as necessary. I don’t look forward to something likely far worse than Carter II, due to the long term consequences on the country, but I’m not sure that a McCain as Potus is heaven on earth either what with all those illegals being granted citizenship and ready to offically suck at the public teat.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  131. Maddoggit, VN! Rule #1: DON’T GIVE YOUR ENEMY SOMETHING TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH!

    L.N. Smithee (7908f5)

  132. Sorry, L.N. I fully meant that disparaging remark and to emasculate Obama for the man that he’s not. He is a field hand sent in to do the big boys’ work, with a fabricated jazz club ‘cool’ that looks good on TV.

    Not to offend black-Americans but I believe Cornel West would cite the same problem with style over substance. Servitude over serving.

    In Obama’s case, it really is about who’s pulling the strings. Words have meaning and Obama is not a uniter. I think we all see him playing the racist card still, and his karma will come back to punish him. That and ACORN are not an honest win.

    I’m just enjoying my say till reeducation camp. The TRUTH SQUADS and political oppression….

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  133. Sorry I stepped out. Like you know, I have a real life outside this crazy blog community.
    LN Smithee, you a mendacious, two-faced lying son of a gun! And you know it. Just like your candidate, Sarah Palin, you have lost all sense of right and wrong. May God forgive you.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  134. #127
    he’s just a field n****r for George Soros
    Need we say more? We knew what this whole Obama-hatred was really about-racism. Carefully concealed in an aversion for his policies. At the end of the day, it’s still about the anger that an arrogant, ungrateful post-affirmative action “N-” dares to lead his masters. But I am not shocked. But still, I am sad. So sad.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  135. Obama isn’t any sort of power figure. He’s a trained television performer and a teleprompter reader. Sadly, he’s just a field n****r for George Soros… the Chicago machine, Daley and the Strogers… really, anyone he could leech off of to get pushed up the political ladder.

    Jesus Christ. OK, consider this your official warning. One more comment like that and you’ll be banned.

    LN Smithee, you a mendacious, two-faced lying son of a gun! And you know it.

    Warning for you as well.

    You guys seem to think I’ll tolerate any sort of behavior in the comments. You’re wrong. I’m tired of this.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  136. Why are you a lying witch?

    Same for you. I haven’t read the whole thread to see what led up to this, but in a way I don’t much care. My commenters are better than this. At least I thought they were.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  137. But I am not shocked. But still, I am sad. So sad.

    Don’t forget concerned! Very, very concerned.

    Hey, you know how Obama likes to complain about “guilt by association” tactics? How about that, huh?

    Jim Treacher (592cb4)

  138. We knew what this whole Obama-hatred was really about-racism.

    Oh, give me a break. If Obama were a conservative, you’d be quietly musing that the value of diversity — racial or otherwise — and “civil rights for all” was not necessarily all it was cracked up to be.

    Mark (cfa800)

  139. #120
    lovie – That report found that Gov. Palin’s decision was within her authority. What say you?

    Comment by JD — 10/12/2008 @ 8:41 pm
    JD, it is one thing for something to be within your power to do and yet another for it to be ethical. No one is saying she had no right to fire even her whole cabinet if she so desired. The issue is did it pass the ethics test? This is the findings.

    Palin “knowingly, as that term is defined in … statutes, permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor’s office and the resources of the Governor’s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired. Her conduct violated AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act…”
    That is where her problem lies.
    And again this,

    The report states: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin Abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act … Compliance with the code of ethics is not optional…

    “The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation.] She knowingly, as that term is defined in the above cited statutes, permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor’s office and the resources of the Governor’s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired. Her conduct violated AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act…

    “Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda.”
    Even though she continues to be untruthful about what the report really said. She says:

    “Well, I’m very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing,” Palin said, “any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that.”
    Not true.
    So my question to you is, do you think that she passed the ethics test on this issue? And do you think she has been truthful about what the report actually said?

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  140. #135
    I am sorry Patt, they started it.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  141. I heard that emotions can run high when one 1/2 of America is trying to vote for someone who promises to give them the other halfs money

    Booing is one thing – threatening to kill people for their political beliefs – well…. its another line thats been crossed

    Didn’t one candidate actually ask for his supports to get in the face of their opponents?

    EricPWJohnson (925f3c)

  142. Love2008

    If they could convict her they would have – expressing an opinion she violated an ethics law is like expressing an opinion that pink is the new orange

    EricPWJohnson (925f3c)

  143. Well, the post is satire (I confess I didn’t get it till “NYT columnist Kall Prugman” hahaha) but at least two liberals upthread seriously asked for an example of a death threat toward Palin or McCain.

    How does “Let’s stone her, old school” sound?

    And if several of the examples from the Michelle Malkin post which Patterico links don’t constitute incitement to violence I don’t know what does. Except that several of them are being made by famous and influential liberals, not by anonymous crazies at rallies. And mass marketed bumper stickers saying “Abort Palin,” etc.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  144. Didn’t Al Franken teach us that it’s OK to attack these people and beat them up?

    Roscoe (94bb58)

  145. It’s Democrat plants at the Republican rallies that are spouting the hatred. Everybody knows that the Democrats have a lock on cheating (ACORN) and corruption (Freddie/Fannie) so let’s just get used to Venezuala North when Barry oozes into office.

    Lars (b1df7e)

  146. Palin shouldn’t be trying to get rid of troopers who drink on the job in their cruiser and use their tasers on their own kids! She should be using them to procure studly young supporters for sex, like a good Democrat Gov does.

    I mean, anything else is just unethical. By that report’s standards, If the economy of Alaska was in a complete meltdown and Palin could stop it by taking some official action, it would be unethical, because preventing the meltdown would benefit her personally as well.

    moptop (567223)

  147. #142
    If they could convict her they would have – expressing an opinion she violated an ethics law is like expressing an opinion that pink is the new orange

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 10/13/2008 @ 1:59 am
    Is that your opinion? How are your eyes doing with colours? Do you see what it is or do you see what your eyes tell you? How can you trust your eyes to tell you the truth about what you think you see?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  148. Dear MD-As Wiki tells us….

    “Under the old common law rule, to use res ipsa loquitur in the context of negligence the plaintiff must prove that:

    The harm would not ordinarily have occurred without someone’s negligence
    The “thing” which caused the harm was under the exclusive control of the defendant at the time of the likely negligent act
    There must be an absence of a reasonable explanation as to how the harm occurred…”

    In other words, as you thought…its does apply perfectly to Obama backers with Palin Derangement Syndrome. PAX

    Bobbo (1869e5)

  149. “…notoriously conservative news outlets, such as MSNBC…”

    Now that’s funny.

    There’s another story up that idiot John is ‘restarting’ his campaign. He’s done that before. He isn’t bright enough to realize the only time his campaign did well is when he rolled out Palin and seemed to play to his conservative base. Then it was back to Dem-lite for him and he dropped in the polls. Not too bright I would say.

    TomJW (cc0a8c)

  150. The bottom line is that hecklers and hate-mongerers, regardless of which party they support, are low-IQ mouth-breathers . The lack of respect shown in this country to those with differing viewpoints has hit an all-time high. Those that sit silently by and do nothing to dissuade the idiots are just as guilty.

    scooter55 (3c6e2f)

  151. The financial crisis is the direct result of Democrat social engineering.

    Subprime affirmative action mortgages were given to people who could not afford them because Democrats used the power of government to force lenders to make the loans in the name of “fairness”.

    Bush has kept us safe since Clinton’s 9/11, his tax rate reductions got us out of Clinton’s internet bubble and the economic hit caused by 9/11, the rich now pay a larger portion of taxes than before, and the economic growth spurred by the tax rate reductions resulted in record tax revenues for the government.

    The gas price fiasco and subprime mess have all hit since the Democrats took over Congress in 2006.

    It was government meddling that distorted the housing markets and Obama wants to meddle even more.

    Why would anyone with a brain vote for Obama whose socialist ideas are proven to fail?

    He think

    Mike J (49032c)

  152. “Holy crap,” New York Times columnist Kall Prugman said in a brief phone interview. “I had no idea we were worse than the people at the McCain rallies.”

    There’s something Krugman doesn’t know? “Holy crap”, stop the presses.

    Mister Snitch (0a8453)

  153. Those on the left have advocated murder as an essential part of their ideology. National Socialist Germany murdered cripples, those with war wounds, those with polio, as well as politial opponents, Jews, and like Ernst Rohm, those who were political allies but who got in the way.

    Soviet Socialism murdered bougeois, kulaks, as well as former allies like Trotsky.

    When the overriding goal is theft, the left justifies enslavement, torture, and murder as mere means to the end. But the generation raised under the left’s government responds with perversion.

    Don Meaker (7f28f0)

  154. Wow. It’s getting ugly out there. And in here. And on every other political website/board. Maybe the best thing that could happen for this country is to just get this election behind us, HOWEVER it turns out.

    Agoraphobic Plumber (711a08)

  155. just get this election behind us

    What makes you think that’s possible? The left hasn’t even gotten over 2000…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  156. “What makes you think that’s possible? The left hasn’t even gotten over 2000…”

    Well, parts of the south never got over the Civil War, either, but it hasn’t done them much good. The Left would have been better served if they had reacted to 2000 like humans. *I* would probably still be a little leftish if 2000 had been handled better (and if 9/11 hadn’t happened).

    If Obama wins, I certainly hope the Right acts like something other than the cage full of chimpanzees that the modern Left has become, or they’ll follow the same route to irrelevance…though I’m not so worried about that because they seem to have a better track record there.

    I guess I’ve just been shaken a bit by the vehemence on both sides this cycle. It’s not unprecedented, but it is unusual and we have an economic crisis that neither party seems to be taking very seriously. The potential consequences make Islamic extremists, Iran, and North Korea look like pikers.

    How can Obama keep promising all these new, expensive programs? How could Bush have expanded Medicare with the prescription drug benefit? How can McCain keep talking about cutting taxes without gutting the entire domestic spending system and a good part of the military?

    Why do people talk so much about “reducing the deficit” rather than “bringing back the surpluses we had before the 80s”? Are they interested in making the ship sink more slowly, or in making it more seaworthy again?

    Economics played a major role in bringing down nearly every single civilization that ever went down (I’ll exclude those who were blown up by volcanoes (Minoans), disrupted by climate change (some Asian and Central/South American nations) and so forth). So, in most cases, did blind adherence to purist ideology, be it right, left, or otherwise.

    I do *not* want to live in times that are too “interesting”.

    Agoraphobic Plumber (711a08)

  157. NYTimes has retracted their report on the booing. What is disturbing is the attempt on the left to bully into SUBMISSION (where have we heard that word before?)the right. There is no attempt at dialogue and the rhetoric from the left is gutter level (I would not insult a second grader’s intellect with comparing the left to the second grader). It should be an interesting 4 years under the rule (and Obama uses that word, not govern)of the left.

    Judith (793afa)

  158. Let’s see what happened over the weekend.

    There’s the firebombing of people’s yards for daring to house a McCain sign.

    There’s vandalism of GOP offices.

    Doesn’t sound like it’s the GOP resorting to real thuggery.

    jdb (fbd717)

  159. I watched the Philly rally

    there were NOT lusty BOOS against Mccain

    YOU ARE A LIAR

    nlcatter (7bcfdc)

  160. “I am sorry Patt, they started it.”

    An apology from the 3rd-grade.

    Pathetic!

    Another Drew (1d7115)

  161. My parents were in row 13 when Palin spoke in Florida and never heard the kooks that Millbank wrote about. So if they didn’t I’m sure she didn’t.

    plutosdad (fcbef1)

  162. Why does anyone accept Milbank’s representation as being true?

    JD (f7900a)

  163. Philly sports fans are known as some of the most disrespectful in the country. Philly fans have pelted Santa Claus with snowballs. They did no such thing with Gov. Palin. Therefore Philly likes Palin more than Santa, and that is good enough for me.

    Alex (36fcee)

  164. As a native Philadelphian who has attended more than my share of pro sporting events, the booing of Palin was to be expected for a number of reasons.
    a) Philadelphians can be in general a pretty slovenly, boorish lot, and when we get in sporting events that grows exponentially.
    b) Most Philadelphians are lock-step, blinders-on, slaves to the Democratic party, despite the fact that that party and its inept, corrupt leadership at the local level has driven the city into the ground.
    c) Nothing that any Philadelphia fan conjures up in the realm of public displays of loutish behavior can ever compare to the bottom-of-the-barrel, knuckle-dragging, barely human, mouth-breathing, feral idiocy of your average fan of the New York Mets.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  165. jharp says “Governor Palin using her 7 year as a shield was a cowardly act. And aren’t we supposed to leave the children out of it, anyways?”

    Yeah, that’s exactly what every politician person disliked by the left should do: isolate themselves from their family, especially young children. As though they shouldn’t be allowed to do the same things many other families do. Nope, they should just turn into shut-ins so that the uncultured swine of the left can’t shout rude, proof of base thoughtlessness at them. Get a life, Jharp.

    …Bringing kids into this… what utter BS. You should be so lucky that conservatives as a group seem to have more standards and manners, and sense of decency to show the same respect to their political rivals as they would their friends.

    Jennifer (d1a3da)

  166. Jennifer – jharpy is the one that used Gov. Palin’s Down’s child to insult people. It is who they are, and what they do.

    Jack – I went to a Colt’s game in Philly a few years back. Not a very friendly place, to be sure.

    JD (f7900a)

  167. Comment by Jack Klompus — 10/13/2008 @ 8:31 am

    How provincial of you Jack, to criticize your cosmopolitan betters in Queens.

    ROTFLMFAO!

    Another Drew (1d7115)

  168. Brotherly Love my ass…

    I felt safer in Cabrini Green than I did in Philly.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  169. JD – a local independent filmmaker a few years back made a low budget film called “Superphan,” about the fictional character Mike DeLuca, the most obsessed Eagles fan in Philly. It’s still the most spot-on depiction of Philly sports fans and hysterically funny if you get the jokes. The other perfect slice of Philly is AMC’s Parking Wars.
    Obama just had a big rally in Philly where thousands of fawning fans showed up. I really don’t understand the logic behind spending the money and resources on appearances in a town where an inanimate carbon rod with a “D” after its name would still get 95% of the vote. This is a town that reelected insufferably inept Wilson Goode who dropped a military style bomb on a residential neighborhood, and the hideously racist and corrupt John Street to second terms as mayors. Street used Axelrod as his campaign manager who turned Street’s FBI-led corruption investigation into a “racist Republican plot” against him and he won a second term handily.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  170. 166. Haha oh come on Drew! You’re not saying a revealed any kind of bias in my statement now, are you?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  171. 166. Haha oh come on Drew! You’re not saying I revealed any kind of bias in my statement of love and affection for Mets fan now, are you? See that’s us. We’re up 2-1 in the NLCS but its more important to dump on the Mets than revel in our good fortune!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  172. Yeh, 2-1, but you’re beating up on the Dodgers, Jack.
    It’s not like you’re playing another baseball team.

    Plus, Mets fans will receive all that they deserves (BTW, what character/movie was it that had the line “Deserves got nothing to do with it”?).

    Another Drew (1d7115)

  173. The Mets are a great team, until the last 2 weeks of the season …

    I wonder if the Pillies will make it past the second inning before throwing at someone tonight.

    JD (f7900a)

  174. “Governor Palin using her 7 year as a shield was a cowardly act. And aren’t we supposed to leave the children out of it, anyways?”

    I don’t know, maybe she just wanted to take her 7 year old to a hockey game?

    “A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.”

    I recall when Michael Irving was booed off the field by Philadelphia fans after recieving a career ending injury. I don’t think patriotism has much to do with it; it’s just people from the ‘city of brotherly love’ being their usually classy selves.

    celebrim (09d63c)

  175. ““A a tip of my hat to the Philadelphia fans for the boos.”
    You’d last five minutes walking the streets of Philadelphia.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  176. THIS IS SUCH A FREAKEN BIAS ARTICLE, WE KNOW WHO THIS AUTHOR IS ROOTING FOR!! OBAMA HAS ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR AT HIS RALLIES, WHICH IS DO NOT HATE BUT COME AND WORK TOGETHER. THIS ARTICLE MUST BE FROM THE MCCAIN/PALIN TEAM.

    ROSIE (3697cd)

  177. Capslock, cruise control to cool.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  178. Christ, you people are out of your effin’ minds….

    All the sins of the GOP over the last 8 to 12 years and all the sins of the pathetic Bush administration and all the sins of the ridiculous McCAin/Palin ticket and their woefully angry audiences…you would dare to place all these ills at the foot of the DEMS and Obama. Beyond laughable and really just sad. I’ll say this again, in case you forgot it the first 30 times I said it. People are sick of these tactics, they do not buy into them anymore, yet you guys thinks it’ll work.

    IT’s ABOUT THE ECONOMY. Until McCain addresses that and begins to put some real distance between himself and Bush and the whole Republican infrastraucture, He will continue to hemorrhage poll numbers. See, only problem is he doesn’t have the vision or the intelligence or the credibility OR the dedication to real economic reform that he needs to do that.

    He’s just all hat and no catttle folks. He just wants to get in for the sake of power and ambition alone, like his prize for being a good company man, like Bush, and he can be a figurehead (much like Bush) and the GOP can try and rewrite history and blame it all on the Democrats.

    I think on a deeper level, people understand that we need someone who goes into the office of President with a full head of steam and to begin the real work that needs to get done, not someone who gets there and thinks the race is over and they can cruise and go golfing or whatever the hell it is McCain does for fun. And let the “experts” deal with it. That’s just not going to work this time, because if we don’t have a real president who understands what’s going on and can lead, the suffering in this country is going to be very real and very widespread. But what do you guys care, you’d vote for any ole incompetent clown as long as he had an R after his name. And really shame on you, this can’t be politics as usual here, yet you guys don’t give a flying fu*k about anything except your damned egos.

    RCP +6.8% Obama.

    Ah. I’m getting sick of the BS on this site.

    You people are so done it’s pathetic.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  179. All caps – check
    Double exclamation points – check
    Phonetic spelling right outta the gate – check. (Um, oops. :) )
    So. I wonder how the politics of the poster will lean? And what’s the likelihood of a well-thought-out point? Hmm….

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  180. I’ve heard the new FREAKEN BIAS album. Pretty good but the live tracks have too many drum solos in them.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  181. I hope Rosie’s post can help us all become a little less FREAKING BIAS.

    Who wants an orange whip?

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  182. Oh crap, sorry…I spelled FREAKING correctly.

    I hope Rosie’s post can help us all become a little less FREAKEN BIAS.

    Let’s heal.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  183. I approved this comment

    Interesting how almost everyone who’s a non-GOPer on this site eventually winds up in moderation, even though they’re the ones usually who’re hounded and abused and harrassed until they lose patience and take off the gloves and fight back against the same ole 5 people who pull that schtick and they know very well who they are and so does PAtrick Frey, DRJ and WLS and the other moderators, yet nary a peep against them. EVER.

    Suspicious that. If I was prosecutor I think I could call it a syndicate or a conspiracy and use the RICO act to bring charges.

    But of course they’re more equal than the rest.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  184. THIS IS SUCH A FREAKEN BIAS ARTICLE, WE KNOW WHO THIS AUTHOR IS ROOTING FOR!! OBAMA HAS ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR AT HIS RALLIES, WHICH IS DO NOT HATE BUT COME AND WORK TOGETHER. THIS ARTICLE MUST BE FROM THE MCCAIN/PALIN TEAM.

    Comment by ROSIE — 10/13/2008 @ 10:08 am

    We are all better people for having read this. If you will just submit your will to your liberal betters, all will be forgiven.

    JD (f7900a)

  185. Thank you’s to lawmom90 — 10/12/2008 @ 8:46, #121 res ipsa loquitur The thing speaks for itself

    And

    Bobbo — 10/13/2008 @ 5:28 am, #148
    “Under the old common law rule, to use res ipsa loquitur in the context of negligence the plaintiff must prove that:
    The harm would not ordinarily have occurred without someone’s negligence
    The “thing” which caused the harm was under the exclusive control of the defendant at the time of the likely negligent act
    There must be an absence of a reasonable explanation as to how the harm occurred…”

    In other words, as you thought…its does apply perfectly to Obama backers with Palin Derangement Syndrome.

    And

    to our long-suffering, patient, but not a door-mat host, #135 Patterico — 10/13/2008 @ 1:08 am :

    OK, consider this your official warning. One more comment like that and you’ll be banned.

    Warning for you as well.

    You guys seem to think I’ll tolerate any sort of behavior in the comments. You’re wrong. I’m tired of this.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  186. I love the mock outrage over the “anger” displayed by GOP supporters. Has anyone gotten a look at the style and design of your average anti-Bush protester’s sign over the past eight years? The anti-Bush aesthetic has been so juvenile and gutter level as to be an embarrassment to those who takes themselves seriously indulging in it. But I guess those were heroic efforts at “speaking truth to power” by those appalled by the “sins” of W.

    “Ah. I’m getting sick of the BS on this site.”
    Then the simple cure for your affliction is to get lost. All you ever do when you post here is reveal what a sanctimonious asshole you are.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  187. dont mean to be thick here, but who wrote this article? i’m having a hard time understanding it.

    a hockey game is not an obama rally
    how do you know they were all democrats
    msnbc is not know to be a conservative news outlet.

    i’m thinking this is something out of the onion?

    peter (12fd1c)

  188. Peter,

    Your instincts are right. It’s like something The Onion would publish.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  189. It’s like that but not quite.

    It’s intended to be like an article that Big Media would write if Big Media were in the bag for McCain, the way they are for Obama.

    The facts cited by Hayes are true.

    And Peter:

    BEFORE you left your comment, I had remonstrated 2 conservatives in this thread AND told DRJ that you could be taken out of moderation.

    So your little comment was unfair.

    Patterico (600766)

  190. ROSIE WROTE: THIS IS SUCH A FREAKEN BIAS ARTICLE, WE KNOW WHO THIS AUTHOR IS ROOTING FOR!!

    I have not read an article about Len “Freaken” Bias in years. His memory faded when Larry Bird arrived and returned the Celtics to glory.

    L.N. Smithee (a0b21b)

  191. So, to recap for all of you out of touch left wing liberal nut-jobs:

    Calling Obama an Arab and a terrorist = not so bad.

    Calling McCain a liar = extreme nastiness from the left.

    Yelling “kill him” about Obama = can’t possibly be true.

    Booing Palin despite the presence of her child = detestable.

    Don’t let the big media fool ya.

    Zach (db6b22)

  192. Calling Bush Hitler, an international terrorist, a war criminal, an ignoramus, guilty of “genocide”, comparing him to simians, burning him in effigy, indulging in assassination fantasies about him in off off Broadway theater, parading around signs of him with his head decapitated = “speaking truth to power.”

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  193. Pat, glad you’re back. I was posting a response to you regarding my comments to love2008 when Rush mentioned the site on the air. CRASH!

    Since I years ago got hooked into dedicating a sizeable chunk of my free time to writing on forums, blogs and bulletin boards, I have endeavored to always back up what I write, and demand no less of others. My early activity in this thread is testimony to that.

    It’s infuriating to watch the supposed guardians of truth in the media rush to correct negative information about Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and the Democrat Party (regardless of whether or not the information is accurate) and allow bald-faced lies about Gov. Palin, John McCain, and the GOP to take a couple of laps around the world before they half-heartedly suggest they might not be 100% true — maybe “99.44% pure,” but not 100%. When I saw love engaging in spreading another untruth, i.e., suggesting that Gov. Palin said in a speech that “Obama and his evil network of ‘terrorists’ are the bad guys,” I fired with both barrels.

    Am I angry? You bet giraffes. I’ve been a news junkie since my single digits and only one time in my life have I seen such a coordinated effort to steer the public toward one point of view for the benefit of one individual: The MSM’s case for Dr. Elizabeth Morgan and against Dr. Eric Foretich was worse, but the stakes weren’t nearly as high. That vicious child custody case pales before not only who will win the White House, but whether or not one party will seize control of all three branches of government and fundamentally change the way the nation operates and defends itself for decades to come (not to mention what may happen to our freedom of speech).

    So, am I going to back down when someone distorts easily obtainable facts? Absolutely not. Will I follow your code of behavior? Of course I will. Your house, your rules, and it’s a mansion I don’t want to leave.

    L.N. Smithee (d1de1b)

  194. 191.

    So, to recap for all of you out of touch right wing conservative nut-jobs:

    (A random person at a campaign rally who has no relationship to McCain/Palin) Calling Obama an Arab and a terrorist = stupid

    Calling McCain a racist, bigot, liar, warmonger = common discourse amongst lefties, except when they get called out on it, then it’s “a joke.”

    Yelling “kill him” about Obama = can’t possibly be true.

    Booing Palin, wearing t-shirts that say “Sarah Palin is a c***”, calling her a racist, engaging in both hetero and homosexual rape fantasies, making a pornographic movie about her = detestable.

    Don’t let little Zach fool ya.

    Comment by Zach — 10/13/2008 @ 4:41 pm

    Fixed that for ya. I would’ve added a bit on Biden but he’s his own biggest problem.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  195. “Yelling “kill him” about Obama = can’t possibly be true”

    Yelling “kill him” about Obama = didn’t happen.

    It was about Ayers. Go inform yourself.

    And even that is bad — but so is the crap that has been going on at from Obama supporters. Read the post again. Obama supporters called for the stoning of Sarah Palin.

    Patterico (18efb7)

  196. I’m told the Peter in 183 is not the one who was just taken out of moderation.

    He still missed the fact that I had already reprimanded 2 conservatives in this thread.

    Patterico (18efb7)

  197. I dont care if someone yells liar at Obama, they arleady did, or says traitor, could be valid opinion,

    but when they say he is an Arab, AFTER mccain tells them no, then I have a problem with a BALD faced lie that GOP hoped voters would beleive.

    nlcatter (7bcfdc)

  198. The Obamites have arrived at Patterico’s blog

    davod (bce08f)

  199. Sorry, but there’s no equivalence here. It’s a far cry from screaming out that (the pathologically untruthful) Sarah Palin is a liar and screaming out that Obama is a terrorist or suggesting that he or Ayers should be killed.

    Are you people that addled?

    Howard, New York (2601ac)

  200. Hello Peter. Are you that other Peter that used to be on fire?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  201. #199 Comment by Howard, New York — 10/14/2008 @ 4:52 am

    This is not a place for equivalence and objectivity. It is a partisan blog dedicated to defend and promote a particular party’s interest. Whether right or wrong. It is a place where red can be proven to be actually black and green is white. It is only here that you will see folks making the case that shouting “kill him” in a rally is the same as calling a liar a “liar”. This is where you get to meet the dwindling minority of Bush’s supporters. Those who steadfastly support him, even down into the ditch! They are irrational party loyalists who see the whole world as red. (“R” for Red).
    So welcome to this blog. You will learn to like it.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  202. In case anyone missed Patterico’s update, above:

    Obama supporter shouts about Palin, “Let’s stone her, old school”

    and, from this listing of liberals expressing themselves (Patterico links this above):
    Mass marketed bumper stickers say, “Abort Palin”

    “Mother I’d Like to Punch” with a drawing of Palin getting punched by a man’s arm

    “MILk – It does a POW good” (hmmm, I wonder what the “k” stands for?)

    Madonna screams to cheers at her concert, “I’ll kick Palin’s ass”

    Mass marketed. Famous liberals shouting to cheers at concerts. But that’s not equivalent to a lone crazy at a rally.

    No. It’s a lot worse.

    Hmm. Wonder what the “incitement! incitement!” liberals will say now? We’ll see….

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  203. It is only here that you will see folks making the case that shouting “kill him” in a rally is the same as calling a liar a “liar”.

    You have missed the “case” entirely and, I might add, deliberately.

    The case being made is that a random person shouting “kill him” (which was actually “tell us” from what I heard) is but a drop in the bucket compared to:

    Madaonna saying about Sarah Palin, “I want to kick her ass”

    Sandra Bernhard fantasizing about her “black brothers” raping Sarah Palin (later passed off as a “joke” – rooofullll!)

    “Art” depicting violence against Sarah Palin

    Street signs and bumper stickers saying “Abort (which means “kill”) Sarah Palin.”

    One of many sick threads devoted to creating vile images of Sarah Palin and John McCain.

    Calls to “stone” Sarah Palin.

    An insane photographer deliberately and dishonestly setting up bad pictures of John McCain and distorting them for her own amusement.

    People wearing “Sarah Palin is a Cunt” t-shirts.

    This is a list compiled in roughly 5 minutes. I’m sure one can find worse perusing DailyKos or the even deeper depths of the DU. For you to even imply for one second that some random person at a rally is morally equivalent to any of this shows you as, not only disingenuous, but dishonest.

    This is where you get to meet the dwindling minority of Bush’s supporters. Those who steadfastly support him, even down into the ditch! They are irrational party loyalists who see the whole world as red. (”R” for Red).
    So welcome to this blog. You will learn to like it.

    Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 5:32 am

    Bush? He’s not running. I’m pretty sure most people here are very critical of him.

    Your inflammatory commentary contributes nothing to the discourse.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  204. lovie got some hive-minded folks to join her, and she showed her true colors, not that we did not already know who she was.

    JD (f7900a)

  205. Phil,

    here’s the original Washington Post article by Dana Milbank.

    The Huffington Post carried an article later that said, way down in the article, that Dana Milbank had given an interview to Politico in which he said he thought that Ayers was who the shout was about. Will dig up the link if you don’t believe me.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  206. oops, wrong thread. O.o *gets coffee*

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  207. #203
    What happened to “it”, JD? Tired of using that or just confused?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  208. he/she/it … does not matter. Disingenuous nonetheless.

    JD (f7900a)

  209. #207
    …..Confused nonetheless.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  210. Abort Palin !

    Let’s stone her, old school !

    This is the incendirary environment that Baracky and his supporters promote, which poisons the political landscape.

    JD (f7900a)

  211. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 7:47 am

    Well, my dear love2008, from my vantage point anyway, he doesn’t appear to be confused about at least one thing – your hesitation to address uncomfortable subjects head on. For example, I’d love to have your thoughts on the several incitements by liberals listed above (some very public, or by famous people like Madonna), and the other calls for violence against Sarah Palin.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  212. noyk – Those are isolated incidents, likely from RethugliKKKan plants, that are not condoned or endorsed by the Baracky campaign.

    JD (f7900a)

  213. It seems a lot of Obama voters like Sarah Palin.

    Heh.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  214. noyk – Those are isolated incidents, likely from RethugliKKKan plants, that are not condoned or endorsed by the Baracky campaign.

    Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 7:59 am

    Oh, wow. Didn’t know Madonna was a Republican, thanks. Maybe I can buy some of the fun 80s albums now. And who knew she had so many Republican fans?

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  215. noyk – The media ran an entire week with the angry, unhinged, dangerous, inciting riots meme against McCain. I have not seen any of the incidents the Dems have done even reported on, much less given the headline attention that the lies about McCain got.

    This is the worst I have ever seen the media act in an election. Several entire networks should have to report in-kind donations to the Baracky campaign.

    JD (f7900a)

  216. Comment by no one you know — 10/14/2008 @ 8:03 am

    Who knew that Howard Stern could do a better job slamming the intelligence/knowledge of O supporters than McCain’s own campaign staff?

    Another Drew (767298)

  217. Comment by Another Drew — 10/14/2008 @ 8:19 am

    Sorry, that comment should reference
    Comment by CW Desiato — 10/14/2008 @ 8:02 am ,
    not noyk.

    Another Drew (767298)

  218. Comment by CW Desiato — 10/14/2008 @ 8:02 am

    LOVE those interviews. They have no clue. Like HotAir said, all they hear is the brand name “Obama” and policies don’t matter.

    My fave was the one who said [paraphrase} “Sarah Palin? Yeah, I do think she’ll do a great job as Obama’s VP”

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  219. You people keep denying the fact that the recent outburst in your camp came as a result of negative, personality-attacking, comments by Palin and McCain. The crowd simply responded accordingly. Now you are trying to draw comparisons with Democrats on this. Why cant you people take responsibility for yourselves for once and stop the blame game. Sarah Palin went on the attack. It backfired on the Reps. Now they are trying to spin it. Truth is perishing!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  220. Why cant you people take responsibility for yourselves for once and stop the blame game. Sarah Palin went on the attack. It backfired on the Reps.

    I’m sorry, just want to be clear: are you saying that Sarah Palin brought these death threats (“let’s stone her, old school”) and other incitements (MILP, MILK, Abort Sarah Palin, etc etc etc ) on herself?

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  221. Comment by no one you know — 10/14/2008 @ 8:30 am

    Absolutely!
    A “chill-billy” like Gov. Palin just incites normal, peaceful Amerikan’s to descend to their base levels and expose themselves for what they are: A Ruthless Mob!

    It’s those glasses, and open-toed shoes that just trigger such extreme responses.
    If only she would dress more modestly.

    Another Drew (767298)

  222. The big diference, noyk, is that the Palin threat did not come as a result of Obama or Biden’s rhetoric in a rally. Your candidates have done nothing but attack Obama, so as to shift focus from the economy. They said so themselves. Sarah Palin also said something about the gloves being off and the high heels on. Referring to the fact that she was going to go on the attack. Obama has not said anything, in any rally that could incite people to say death-threatening things like “Kill him”, “off with his head.” “Terrorist”. And you know that if that happened, he would immediately condemn it. Palin did not. McCain did not immediately. That is the big difference here.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  223. Palin did not. McCain did not immediately.

    Did they hear it?

    Sorry to sound so blunt, but your own (liberal – “Democracy Now” is a liberal org’n I think) link at the other thread says it’s unclear whether Palin even heard the ONE shout. Your OWN LINK at the Huffington Post about the “Kill Him” shout said the Secret Service didn’t even hear it and Palin gave no indication of having heard it either. I gave you a link this weekend that showed McCain didn’t register what was said at ONE rally of his.

    As Victor David Hanson said [paraphrase] one shout in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of bad will on the part of McCain/Palin, according to liberals.

    Yet conservatives bring up lots of instances of incitement or threats by liberals, and either silence from so many liberals, or (what seems to be above, for just one example) a “chickens coming home to roost” blaming-the-victim .

    Pointing out that Obama has long professional noncasual associations with unrepentant terrorists (Ayers and Dohrn) is the simple truth. It speaks to his judgment, character and possible political (i.e. far-left) leanings.

    We have no problem condemning the isolated “kill him!” Conservative crowds don’t support it. They applaud John McCain when he says Obama is a decent family man.

    Why no unequivocal condemnation of the death threats and incitement coming from the left side of the aisle?

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  224. What it is about liberal rage against Palin is that they her for the excitemen she brings for the ticket from the base. Plus she actually has more experience than the dem prez nominee. Dhimmies are fine with free speech and a woman’s right to choose as long as that speech agrees with libtards and the woman opts to abort, especially someone like Down’s syndrome cherub.

    Gotta the love the lib truth squad residing here…totally fracking clueless and prevaricating/obfuscating the issues or just ignoring them totally. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their crotches.

    Nobama- Bend Over America

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  225. For god’s sake. The GOP is just cherrypicking from Obama’s actual resume.

    Your candidates have done nothing but attack Obama, so as to shift focus from the economy.

    The real problem is that Obama has shown the opposite of good judgement. He should condemn Madonna’s actions, if only in a political sense. John McCain has done so on numerous occasions and since the primaries.

    Obama’s fear and reaction to the charisma of a newcomer, a VP contender was like a visit to senior year and seeing some kid get his crown stolen. Guess he’s really ready for the big leagues. Not.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  226. #223
    Isn’t it time you drop that old, out-dated line? We have moved beyond that and Obama’s lead is widening. Palin’s positives are dropping and her negatives on the increase. Her qualification is not something you want to go into, judging from her recent performance and disappointing level of knowledge. Catch up.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  227. BS polls don’t mean diddly squat…skewed to excessive intake from dems. All that counts is the actual election and not polls, including exit polls. And total votes garnered don’t mean much if you don’t have the electoral college margin.

    Qualifications? What exactly are obambi’s? YOu never pointnthem out. Running a campaign? lying? consorting with felons,racists and terrorist radicals? Voting present in Ill. Senate? About 150 days actually in US Senate? We don’t need no affirmative action potus, chump.

    Catch up? bioya asap

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  228. Why cant you people take responsibility for yourselves for once and stop the blame game. Sarah Palin went on the attack. It backfired on the Reps.

    Again, just want to be clear: are you saying that Sarah Palin brought these death threats (”let’s stone her, old school”) and other incitements (MILP, MILK, Abort Sarah Palin, etc etc etc ) on herself?

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  229. noyk – You know it will not answer directly. The closest it will come to answering that is to attempt to shift the focus of the question onto someone or something else.

    JD (f7900a)

  230. Philadelphia sports fans behaving poorly? That’s the equivalent of a “Dog Bites Man” story. Pull up to the entrance of any Philadelphia sports arena just before game time and try to find an inch of real estate that is not covered with a beer, wine or whiskey bottle, every trash can filled to overflowing with discarded empties. They’ve even set up on-site Police stations to handle the post-buzz crowd. The fact that there’s a little controversy whether she was really booed, apparently by not many, or with much enthusiasm, I considered a real positive.
    If I had heard she had been nailed by a snowball-covered “D” battery I would hardly have been surprised. Psst – RNC, here’s some advice – Philadelphia and Pittsburgh will not be voting for McCain/Palin. Come out to the ‘burbs and meet a much more receptive crowd.
    How about visiting the third largest city in the state? That would be a Penn State football game crowd.

    ec marm (846603)

  231. noyk – You know it will not answer directly. The closest it will come to answering that is to attempt to shift the focus of the question onto someone or something else.

    Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 9:38 am

    Hopefully repeated pointings out of the unfortunate past actions of said poster, added to my mule-stubborn refusal to let questions like these fade into the ozone, will make things different, at least this time. :)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  232. Comment by no one you know — 10/14/2008 @ 9:33 am

    Read the whole comment well and you will get my point. The issue I was talking about was that the difference between the threat on Palin and that on Obama is that the threat against Palin did not come as a direct result of Obama’s rhetoric. While in the case of people shouting death threats about obama (or whoever) were in reaction to Palin and McCain’s negative attacks on Obama’s person. Obama did not directly incite people to say those things in a rally. I am sure I was clear enough in my comment. That is if you read it as it is. Without trying to score political points out of them. Noyk, your mask is falling off.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  233. There was no fucking threat on Obama, you liar.

    There were no death threats against Obama.

    Admit that you lied.

    JD (f7900a)

  234. Funny how that by lovie’s standards, Republicans have to be incited to riot, but the Dems go there without any provocation whatsoever.

    JD (f7900a)

  235. #232
    JD, I am fast losing my patience with you. Behave like an adult for once!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  236. love2008,

    There was no threat against Obama.

    Obama did not directly incite people to say those things in a rally.

    So, if I understand you correctly, Obama is not responsible for the liberal death threat(s) and the incitements to violence. OK, that sounds reasonable.

    So, you’re saying that Palin and/or McCain is responsible for one shout of “kill him” [Ayers}, do I understand you correctly?

    And who was responsible for the tens of thousands who did not shout that? The tens of thousands who did not support that crazed shout?

    Who is responsible for the applause at the rally where McCain called Obama a decent family man?


    Noyk, your mask is falling off.

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand. What “mask” are you referring to? That is, what is the “mask,” and what is under the “mask?” If you’re going to make insinuations that I am not who I appear to be, then I suggest you make yourself specific. Thanks.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  237. Boy JD, have you been properly spanked, or what?

    Another Drew (767298)

  238. Oh no, lovie is losing its patience with me because I have the audacity to hope that it will be honest. I feel the vapors coming on …

    noyk – That you dare question Teh Messiah shows that your inate racism is but thinly veiled.

    JD (f7900a)

  239. noyk….
    Strip off the veils…
    Show it all…

    Another Drew (767298)

  240. Love2008

    Secret Service hs stated there re no credible death threats against Obama

    EricPWJohnson (47b9ab)

  241. lovie stated, as a fact …

    The issue I was talking about was that the difference between the threat on Palin and that on Obama is that the threat against Palin did not come as a direct result of Obama’s rhetoric.

    Then, apparent even uncomfortable with its own lies, it equivocates a bit by saying

    While in the case of people shouting death threats about obama (or whoever) were in reaction to Palin and McCain’s negative attacks on Obama’s person. Obama did not directly incite people to say those things in a rally

    This, in spite of all available evidence clearly being contradictory to lovie’s statements. Therefore, it is either stupid, a liar, or both. Which is it, lovie?

    JD (f7900a)

  242. noyk – That you dare question Teh Messiah shows that your inate racism is but thinly veiled.

    Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 10:15 am

    Will wait to see what accusations love2008 comes up with. No comment until then.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  243. noyk – I admire your persistence and patience, misguided and futile as it may be …

    JD (f7900a)

  244. Comment by no one you know — 10/14/2008 @ 10:27 am
    The mask of a neutral, level-headed commenter who is willing to see things from both sides. That is the mask that looks like it’s falling off. Or maybe I did not quite understand you. I see some of the comments you make to JD about straightening me out and disproving my points. It seems like you are the new blog police. Like Palin you appear mild and soft and reasonable but in deed you are something else. (That is meant to be a compliment. Seeing you support Palin).
    You are a milder form of JD, SPQR, AD, LN, VN etc. You are just another partisan commenter. Only difference is that you do it with a smile and a wink.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  245. SHOCKA

    JD (f7900a)

  246. Call the morgue!
    Another one of our comment assassins has fallen.
    noyk, we told you that the increased mobility you sought by not wearing the body armor would be dangerous.
    Now, it is too late.
    Another valiant warrior fallen to the evil hordes.
    Farewell, Sweet Prince!

    Another Drew (767298)

  247. #239
    Love2008

    Secret Service hs stated there re no credible death threats against Obama
    Did they also say there was no such comment like “Kill him!”? The fact is that something was said in that rally that incited someone to say those words. And that does not look good for McCain.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  248. Lovey, you are just as unhinged as this Ohio Democrat.

    Ohio Democrat Election Worker Attacks GOP Election Worker Over Spoiled Absentee Ballot

    PCD (7fe637)

  249. PCD – That is acceptable as Ms. Walker is good and pure and had the best of intentions.

    lovie is still lying, I see. SHOCKA

    JD (f7900a)

  250. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 10:51 am

    Well, I would hope all the commenters here would do their best to stay level-headed; I try too. As for “neutral” or not “partisan,” I’m sorry I gave you the impression that I was not thoroughly committed to conservatism, because I am.

    “Not neutral” doesn’t mean “not honest” though.

    Am a conservative because I’ve thought the issues through, and I think conservative principles are true. If someone from my political party does or says things I think are wrong, honesty demands that I oppose their position. And if someone from the other political party does it, am going to say things about that too. (Like everyone else, I don’t have time to post here every day obviously, but when I do I comment on things.)

    Am hardly the blog police. (That made me smile.)

    I truly think you’re saying that because I’ve pursued a few comments you’ve made over this last weekend that were very inaccurate or misleading, and I didn’t want to let the (from what you said, unintentionally) misleading nature of them slide – for the sake of other commenters who read things we (both liberal and conservative) write here.

    So you perceived that I was just giving you a hard time or something.

    (Again, sorry if this sounds too blunt but if you’d have answered questions right away instead of (my and I guess others’ perceptions too) diverting and avoiding questions, I wouldn’t have appeared to be so overpersistent or appeared to have been giving you such a hard time BTW.)

    Am very glad to discuss things with you in a reasonable way. And I hope my respect for you as a person has been demonstrated in my treatment of you ever since you got here.

    But that doesn’t mean I won’t call you on it when you make a statement that is clearly factually disprovable. And I sincerely hope you do the same for me. The truth is what matters. And if something isn’t true I don’t want to believe it, and I don’t want others or myself misled – even unintentionally – into believing it.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  251. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 10:51 am

    Well, I would hope all the commenters here would do their best to stay level-headed; I try too. As for “neutral” or not “partisan,” am sorry you got the impression that I was not thoroughly committed to conservatism, because I am.

    “Not neutral” doesn’t mean “not honest” though.

    Am a conservative because I’ve thought the issues through, and I think conservative principles are true. If someone from my political party does or says things I think are wrong, honesty demands that I oppose their position. And if someone from the other political party does it, am going to say things about that too. (Like everyone else, I don’t have time to post here every day obviously, but when I do I comment on things.)

    Am hardly the blog police. (That made me smile.)

    I truly think you’re saying that because I’ve pursued a few comments you’ve made over this last weekend that were very inaccurate or misleading, and I didn’t want to let the (from what you said, unintentionally) misleading nature of them slide – for the sake of other commenters who read things we (both liberal and conservative) write here.

    So you perceived that I was just giving you a hard time or something.

    (Again, sorry if this sounds too blunt but if you’d have answered questions right away instead of (my and I guess others’ perceptions too) diverting and avoiding questions, I wouldn’t have appeared to be so overpersistent or appeared to have been giving you such a hard time BTW.)

    Am very glad to discuss things with you in a reasonable way. And I hope my respect for you as a person has been demonstrated in my treatment of you ever since you got here.

    But that doesn’t mean I won’t call you on it when you make a statement that is clearly factually disprovable. And I sincerely hope you do the same for me. The truth is what matters. And if something isn’t true I don’t want to believe it, and I don’t want others or myself misled – even unintentionally – into believing it.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  252. Oh gosh.

    Sorry to all for the superfootlong double post.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  253. noyk – You are a bigger person than I, to be sure.

    JD (f7900a)

  254. noyk – You are a bigger person than I, to be sure.

    Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 11:38 am

    Nah, prolly just have more time to type. Nuance is always more time consuming than I expect. :)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  255. Well, I still believe it to have proven itself to be a disengenuous mendoucheous liar.

    JD (f7900a)

  256. But … you say tomato, I say donkey. 😉

    JD (f7900a)

  257. noyk, JD, AD, MadMax333, EricPWJohnson

    I see love as the election equivalent of “Tokyo Rose” and have argued for the description elsewhere. The one consistent thing about her is that she says things aimed at discouraging conservatives. On another thread she finally acknowledged Ayers is not the boy scout you want your son to play with, then taunted with the prediction of a landslide for Obama because “it’s the economy, stupid”. When asked whether she meant the economic disaster triggered by the collapse of freddie and fanny that occurred with pressure from Obama and ACORN from below, and Dodd and Obama from above (getting all that $$$ from F+F lobbyists), that even Bill Clinton attested to, she declined comment.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  258. Comment by MD in Philly — 10/14/2008 @ 11:54 am

    I like your suggestion re MMVIII.
    From now on, if forced to refer to that particular someone, I shall use the moniker “TR”.

    Another Drew (767298)

  259. AD- I’m honored. Carry on, need to go now.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  260. love2000hate replied to NOYK:

    I am sure I was clear enough in my comment. That is if you read it as it is. Without trying to score political points out of them.

    Of course, you’re the expert on “read[ing things] as [they are],” lovey. I will give you an excellent example of your scholarly reading comprehension.

    Here’s Governor Palin from an Ohio appearance Sunday, as quoted by “CNN political producer Peter Hamby” in this report:

    “Help me, Ohio, to help put John McCain in the White House. He understands. He understands you. We understand how important it is that this team be elected. For one thing, we know who the bad guys are, OK?” … “We know that in the war, it’s terrorists, terrorists who hate America and her allies and would seek to destroy us, and the bad guys are those who would support and sympathize with the terrorists. They do not like America because of what we stand for. Liberty. Freedom. Equal rights. Those who sympathize and support those terrorists who would seek to destroy all that it is that we value, those are the bad guys, OK?”

    “We know who the good guys are, and it is you, and we will fight for you, and we will put government on your side. We will end the arrogant and the selfish practices of Washington and of Wall Street because your United States government is to be of the people, by the people, for the people.”

    Producer Hamby also quoted Palin as referring to
    “‘greedy and corrupt and arrogant’ mavens of Wall Street and Washington who, she said, have pushed the nation’s economy to the brink.”

    Now, in this post I have just posted every word Gov. Palin said in that appearance. But here’s what Lovey, the queen of reading comprehension, got out of it:

    More revelations from Sarah Palin about who the “bad guys” are and who the “good guys” are. Obama and his evil network of “terrorists” are the bad guys. So lets vote for John McCain to stop the bad guys from taking over.

    Comment by love2008 — 10/12/2008 @ 7:14 pm

    Some 600 Obamabots and counting agree, commenting literally hundreds of insults, some vague, some juvenile, some further disproven rumors, some confusing the real life Palin with the Tina Fey parody. One person posting as “john fitzgerald kennedy” wrote: “i hope you die sarah palin”.

    All of them are acting as if Palin had said something hateful about Obama at that rally or referred to him as a “terrorist” or a “bad guy.” She did NOT. She was clear enough in her comment. That is, if you read it as it is. Without trying to score political points out of it.

    L.N. Smithee (d1de1b)

  261. L.N. – People like it have not even a passing acquaintance with the truth.

    JD (f7900a)

  262. have not even a passing acquaintance with the truth.

    A willful failure to communicate, most likely.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  263. Comment by L.N. Smithee — 10/14/2008 @ 12:24 pm
    LN. Sarah could have helped herself further by saying that Obama was also one of the good guys. Instead she sounded like voting John McCain, the good guy was how to stop the bad guys, “the terrorist and all those who sympathize with them..” Remember this is the same woman who accused Obama of “palling around with terrorists”. Mark the plural “terrorists” not “terrorist”. So it is easy to come away with the impression that she was making another veiled swipe on Obama.
    When she says “For one thing, we know who the bad guys are, OK?”, is she saying Barack Obama does not know who the “bad guys” are? Mind you, she has not taken back the “Palling around with terrorists” charge.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  264. William Ayers; plus, Bernadine Dohrn: equals…

    Terrorists!

    Another Drew (767298)

  265. Mark the plural “terrorists” not “terrorist”.

    That would be William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, I think.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  266. Beat me to it, AD. Sorry for the repeat.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  267. Remember this is the same woman who accused Obama of “palling around with terrorists”.

    See Response #263.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  268. Hey, it’s your dime. No problemoh!

    TR has consistently demonstrated a lack of English Comprehension,
    and now demonstrates that Mathematics is not a strong suit either.

    Another Drew (767298)

  269. BTW, I’ve got to take a break here and reconstitute my perspective on matters.
    Will be back in the eve perhaps.
    Have fun.

    Another Drew (767298)

  270. Louis Farrakhan’s hearty endorsement is also interesting… for those who follow such things.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  271. AD/MD in Philly/VN/L.N.Smithee- thanks for trying to keep MMVIII honest. It can’t handle the truth even if the truth is out there. Tokyo Rose is good too, but the actual TR was a composite of about a dozen Japanese lady propagandists. Iva Toguri’s looks kind of cute in her mug shot. Maybe the trolls on the site could be the generic TRs? Axis Sally was a native of Portland, Maine and lived from 1900-1988 (Mildred Gillars). Not that great looking but nice gams.

    If the media were at all neutral and did its job of vetting ALL the candidates, the punk barry would be stammering and obfuscating more than he already does. Funny that fawning media traveling with Stinky complains about BO’s plane’s BO. And McCain’s is clean…like their respective characters.

    I like the comparison pix of Palin on a Hog and Urkel on a bike with a helmet.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  272. “Mind you, she has not taken back the “Palling around with terrorists” charge.”

    Lovie – There is absolutely no reason for Palin to retract that statement. Aren’t you familiar with the toast Obama gave at PLO member Rashid Khalidi’s going away party from Chicago where he spoke fondly of all the conversations he shared over the Khalidi’s kitchen table?

    More than one calls for a plural. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi. Am I going too fast?

    Why do you think she should retract her words? Make your case Lovey.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  273. Only one of the examples cited took place at an Obama rally, which amounted to mere booing of McCain. That’s hardly a big deal.

    The other two cited occurred at a hockey game and a McCain rally where an Obama supporter showed up. This happens at most every rally I’ve ever seen.

    The point (re: McCain) has been that he and Palin were creating a negative atmosphere for his supporters. If you find shouts of “kill him” at Obama rallies, that would be more noteworthy.

    Chris K (9c2aa7)

  274. Hey, Chris K, get with the program: Nobody was shouting “kill him” about Obama. Stop lying.

    L.N. Smithee (ecc5a5)

  275. If you find shouts of “kill him” at Obama rallies, that would be more noteworthy.

    Comment by Chris K — 10/14/2008 @ 2:40 pm

    If you can find audio examples of a McCain supporter (not an Obama supporter) yelling “kill him” in reference to Barack Obama at a McCain rally, that would be noteworthy.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  276. I have no idea what was said, or by who.

    All I’m saying is that the examples given here don’t match up to what was supposed to have been said at the McCain rallies. That seems to be what Hayes is trying to say.

    Chris K (9c2aa7)

  277. Mind you, she has not taken back the “Palling around with terrorists” charge.

    Nor should she, unless you can think of better words to describe Ayers and his lovely bride.

    Chris K
    Abort Palin
    Let’s stone her, old school

    Classy friends you have there.

    JD (f7900a)

  278. Why do you think she should retract her words? Make your case Lovey.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/14/2008 @ 1:55 pm
    It is disingenuous and misleading to say Obama is palling around with terrorists. Obama was 8 years old when these radicals did what they did. Ayers is presently teaching and has not engaged in any “terrorist” acts since then. His meeting with Obama had nothing to do with terrorism. To continue to defend that lie makes anyone doing so a liar.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  279. Ayres and Dohrn are terrorists and Obama is “palling around” with them. Both of them have said within the last two years that they “would do it again.”

    Sorry, no deal.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  280. Mike K.

    I’m afraid I’m considering an intervention, for your sake, my sake, and the sake of others.

    I think we need to start a “Troll Responders Anonymous” Group. I’m sure we have better things to do than joust with windmills. Of course, the name lacks a nice ring, suggestions welcomed (not by you, love=TR)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  281. #279
    Prove it. Give me a link that proves it. I want to see a direct quote of Ayers saying those very words. From his own lips.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  282. #281

    for the upteenth time, already done

    I admit, Mike, I just relapsed

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  283. #282
    Already done? Where? Haven’t seen it. Give me the link. I dare you.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  284. It is disingenuous and misleading to say Obama is palling around with terrorists.

    Is it your assertion that Ayers and Dohrn aren’t terrorists, or is it your assertion that Obama isn’t “palling” around with them?

    Obama was 8 years old when these radicals did what they did.

    Nobody here has said Obama is responsible for what Ayers did. What they’re saying is that Obama has willingly associated with an unrepentant terrorist. We are known by the company we keep, are we not?

    Bush took a mountain of heat for giving one speech at Bob Jones University, and it’s not as if Bob Jones has been blowing up buildings for his cause.

    Ayers is presently teaching and has not engaged in any “terrorist” acts since then.

    He’s said that he’s not sorry for what he did and wished he had done more. Let’s draw an analogy: if McCain had launched his political career from the home of someone who had been a member of the KKK 30 years earlier, and still respected that klan memeber, would you be exhorting everyone to give him a pass on that association? Didn’t think so.

    His meeting with Obama had nothing to do with terrorism.

    Again, this is a straw man. No one has said that Obama was plotting terrorist acts with Ayers. What has been said is that Ayers is an America-hating, unrepentant terrorist that Obama associates with. Do you think Presidents should be associating with the likes of Ayers?

    To continue to defend that lie makes anyone doing so a liar.

    To continue to misrepresent your opposition’s positions makes you the Chief Crapola Dispenser of Patterico’s Pontifications.

    Steverino (db5760)

  285. #284
    Again, more talk and no evidence. Read my last comment and respond to it. If you can.

    #279
    Prove it. Give me a link that proves it. I want to see a direct quote of Ayers saying those very words. From his own lips.

    Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 5:31 pm

    love2008 (1b037c)

  286. love2008, you already had your backside spanked. You’ve been caught making stuff up, ignoring factual refutations and generally acting like the waste of time troll that you are.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  287. 278, lovey you are a liar who should be banned for being a unrepentant liar when confronted with the facts refuting you.

    PCD (7fe637)

  288. Why can’t you all stop diverting attention and give me what I asked for? A link that proves what Mike K said in comment #279. And PCD, you are not worthy of my insult.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  289. love2008, I gave you a link to such a quote in another thread days ago. You ignored it then, and you’ll ignore it again.

    troll.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  290. The headline is “Obama rallies turn ugly.” That’s not supported here.

    For what it’s worth, Hayes’ headline at the Standard says “the angry left,” so he at least has some basis for what he’s saying.

    This post references Hayes’ description of one Obama rally where there was some booing. The rest of the instances did not take place at rallies. If the idea is that Obama rallies are some sort of McCain bashing hootenanny, that’s not supported here.

    Also, characterizing Flyers fans who booed Palin as “Obama supporters” is a little presumptuous. I agree booing Palin with her daughter there is rude, but this is a Philadelphia sports event. Boos are part of the currency there. I find it annoying, but it’s not a big deal.

    FWIW, I’m not a friend of the angry left by any stretch. I’m more libertarian than anything, and I am supporting Obama this time around. I voted for Bush in 2004, but Republicans haven’t shown themselves able to deliver on small government or cutting spending. And the Democrats didn’t choose Sarah Palin as a running mate. I find her (not 2 year Alaskan governors in general) unqualified and lacking in anything I want from a President.

    Chris K (9c2aa7)

  291. Chris, you didn’t get it.

    Second, evidently you are a Libertarian Moby because there is no way that someone who wanted the Republicans to “deliver” on small government would think the answer to be Obama.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  292. If you want to talk about past associations, I think we should take a moment to wonder why George W. Bush was doing business with Salem Bin Laden in the 70’s, and why George H. W. Bush was on the board of Carlyle Group with Osama’s father until 9/11 – clearly after Osama was on the most wanted list for a decade. Sometimes you just have to get your hands dirty to do business, and yes John McCain has some shady business too. How much mileage do you think this Ayers things is worth? I feel like the Republican party wants us to buy a rusty 1988 ford taurus, for it’s original sticker price. I wish we could keep the discourse to some skillfull pie throwing and spare everyone the shit spray.

    shawn fester (2c1c0b)

  293. Hey gang,

    Maybe we’re all wrong about TR, or lovie, or MM-whatever.

    Remember that movie, “50 first dates” or something where the girl had some memory disorder where she couldn’t remember yesterday? So the guy courting her had 50 first dates as far as she was concerned? Maybe that’s TR’s situation. I actually had a patient like that once. Woke up one morning and didn’t remember where his car was (without the benefit of intoxication). He had a hard time remembering anything for longer than 5 minutes until we started treating the encephalitis. (That Valtrex you see on TV is good stuff).

    So. let me remind you of the bottom line. mark this as a favorite so you can come to it often:

    On another thread she finally acknowledged Ayers is not the boy scout you want your son to play with, then taunted with the prediction of a landslide for Obama because “it’s the economy, stupid”. When asked whether she meant the economic disaster triggered by the collapse of freddie and fanny that occurred with pressure from Obama and ACORN from below, and Dodd and Obama from above (getting all that $$$ from F+F lobbyists), that even Bill Clinton attested to, she declined comment.Comment by MD in Philly — 10/14/2008 @ 11:54 am

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  294. 292, that facts are as stated. Ayers is a Terrorist. Wright is a racist. Obama has close personal, professional, and monetary dealings with both. Live with it.

    PCD (7fe637)

  295. Obfuriation alert at #292,
    Osama was disinherited by his family, I believe, so associating with his father didn’t mean much of a negative.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  296. I don’t consider Obama, or any president, the answer to anything.

    What I do know is that BillClinton was the last president to even propose a balanced budget for more than one year. Before him was LBJ. W did it once, in his first year. Since then, he’s acted like he owns (that is, we own) a money tree. I hope to see more Republicans in Congress in a couple years to counter Obama. In the meantime, if Obama and the Democratic Congress want to reverse some of the more intrusive Republican policies, I’ll be okay with that too.

    I’ve given the Republicans many chances to deliver. The Republican governor here in Indiana, Mitch Daniels, does a decent job. So I’ll be voting for him. Nationally though, I’m ready to try something different.

    Chris K (9c2aa7)

  297. Chris K., so much for your claim to be a libertarian. That’s OK, no one believed it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  298. Comment by SPQR — 10/14/2008 @ 6:39 pm

    So, stop lying and saying things that are not factually true.
    Liar.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  299. SPQR – I was arguing the post, you’re making insinuations about me. The funny thing is how much you resemble people I used to argue with at liberal blogs.

    Chris K (9c2aa7)

  300. love2008, you should take your own advice, especially after you were caught making up stuff like your claim about attempts on Obama’s life.

    Chris K., no I was commenting on your own statements.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  301. #284
    Again, more talk and no evidence. Read my last comment and respond to it. If you can.

    You didn’t address anything I wrote. Answer this question: is it your assertion that Ayers is not a terrorist, or is it your assertion that Obama hasn’t been “palling” around with him?

    Others have already responded to your post at #281.

    And my points still stand: Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist, and Obama willingly associates with him. Should US Presidents associate with unrepentant terrorists?

    Steverino (db5760)

  302. Comment by SPQR — 10/14/2008 @ 7:23 pm

    Aha! You can’t prove that Ayers actually said what Mike K said he said. “Ayers said he “would do it again.”” It’s time someone called you people out on your lies.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  303. 302, Where do you live, Lovey? I want to forcefully shove the quotes in your face and prove you are an idiot as well as an ideologue liar.

    PCD (7fe637)

  304. Comment by Steverino — 10/14/2008 @ 7:29 pm
    Answering my question with a link will help to answer yours. Is Ayers still a terrorist? Did he actually say he wished he could bomb more? When? Links will help us. This will drive home your point that Obama palls around with terrorists. But you must prove that Bill Ayers is still a terrorist.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  305. love2008, Mike K’s paraphrase is accurate. On Sept 11, 2001, the NYT published an article quoting Bill Ayers answer to the question whether he would do it again. From the article: “So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ”I don’t want to discount the possibility,” he said. ”

    It is the same article where Ayers was quoted as saying: “”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.” ”

    This article has been linked to time and time again, and you continually ignore it.

    Now it is long past time you quit calling others “liar” when you have such a poor command of facts yourself. Your incompetence and your repetitive desire to show your incompetence got old a long time ago.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  306. Chris K

    but Republicans haven’t shown themselves able to deliver on small government or cutting spending.

    So the Republicans did not deliver to your expectations, so in response, you are going to go to the extreme opposite end of the spectrum, and vote for someone who will increase the size of government as far as Congress will allow, and whose spending increases, to date, total up to $1,000,000,000,000? Right.

    JD (f7900a)

  307. I see lovie is up to the same old same old …

    JD (f7900a)

  308. Comment by SPQR — 10/14/2008 @ 7:51 pm
    Bill Ayers.
    So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ”I don’t want to discount the possibility,” he said.

    ”I don’t think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War,” he said, and the fact that ”the enduring scar of racism was fully in flower”
    This does not say anything about him wanting to bomb again. He was talking about the whole resistance to the Vietnam war, which frankly was very very unpopular in those days. I can’t find where he said “I would bomb again.” He does not regret resisting the war. That is not under contention. But your link does not prove that he said he would bomb again. Another lie. Or get an actual link where he said it the way you guys like to throw around.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  309. “So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ”I don’t want to discount the possibility,”

    I. Don’t. Want. To. Discount. The. Possibility.

    Sounds repentant to me. Clearly he would never bomb again. It is all just in code words.

    JD (f7900a)

  310. BTW Chris K, what small, minor event occurred during GW’s first year in office that could have affected his commitment to drawing up a balanced budget for the following fiscal year?

    And, FYI, the National Debt increased every year of the eight years of the Clinton Presidency.
    How does that square with your claim, and the claim of others, that Bubba balanced the budget?

    on a roll now….

    And TR is still the lying piece-of-shit she’s always been! The redemption bus has passed her by.

    Another Drew (767298)

  311. AD – I wonder if noyk is still will to give it the benefit of the doubt?

    JD (f7900a)

  312. willing

    JD (f7900a)

  313. Mr. Ayers was not [merely] a Vietnam War protester.

    He is a Marxist, a “communist with a little “c”, an anarchist who believes capitalism and the United States are what is wrong with the world and must be destroyed. The methods of facilitating the revolution are secondary.

    I agree with Ayers on at least one thing, that the methods are secondary. Anyone who thinks the US as now constructed and capitalism are the prime causes of evil in the world have nothing in common with the nation that was founded when the Constitution was written. It is the Constitution which all public servants vow to defend and uphold.

    Moreover, if he thinks the US has done more evil in the world than Stalin and the Soviet Union, Mao and the Communist Chinese, and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, his critical thinking is not worthy to be respected. By all means the US has problems, always will as long as human beings are in charge, but it’s asinine to compare US behavior to the fruits of communism in the 20th century.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  314. ”I don’t think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War,”

    It’s one of the reasons why supporters are voting for Obama. Because Bill Ayers could easily finish his bombing schedule (i.e., “wouldn’t discount the possibility”). Conveniently for a war which, in your own words, was very very unpopular.

    There is no legal allowance I know of that allows citizens to bomb or kill because they disagree with a situation. (Martin Luther King, peaceful demonstrations…etc.)

    Now it’s your turn to provide proof that Ayers’ anti-war sentiments wouldn’t cause him to bomb again, seeing as he himself doesn’t discount the possibility.

    This thread needs an informed liberal poster. Ayers’ quote was common knowledge months, if not years, ago.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  315. Comment by Another Drew — 10/14/2008 @ 8:26 pm

    AD, I would watch that heart. I don’t like kicking on the old and helpless. So I have decided to treat you with respect. No matter your insults. I get it. At your age, it’s hard not to be this way. So, I forgive you and pray for your health. Don’t forget to take your meds. And get ready for bed.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  316. Comment by JD — 10/14/2008 @ 8:27 pm

    If he is, he is a much better man than I (but that wouldn’t be too difficult – being that I am self-identified at times as one truly grumpy old fart).

    Another Drew (767298)

  317. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 8:40 pm

    love, with all due respect,
    Go Fuck Yourself!

    Another Drew (767298)

  318. I would watch that heart. I don’t like kicking on the old and helpless. So I have decided to treat you with respect. No matter your insults. I get it. At your age, it’s hard not to be this way. So, I forgive you and pray for your health. Don’t forget to take your meds. And get ready for bed.

    Playing the ageism card? Shame, shame, shame.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  319. Wow, how could so many people miss this satire? No such (Noesutch) university… Kall Prugman (he’s actually Paul Krugman)…?? If you want some more entertainment, check out jimtreacher.com (“Professor” James Treacher of Noesutch University.) It was fun, however, to read all the righteous indignation in the comments of those who took this as straightforward opinion writing.

    Will Flint (ff8c26)

  320. Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 10/14/2008 @ 8:38 pm
    No. You have said he is a terrorist. That he wants to do more bombings. Prove it. In all honesty, would you call the present day Ayers a terrorist? Just the truth. Is Bill Ayers still a terrorist? Has he made any recent threats about bombing anywhere or has he done so? Is he presently engaged in terrorist activities? No lies.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  321. Playing the ageism card? Shame, shame, shame.

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 10/14/2008 @ 8:45 pm
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Look who’s talking. Do you really want to go there?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  322. Ayers is a terrorist.

    Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Lorena Bobbitt has not chopped off any nuts recently, that I am aware of, yet she remains a testicle cutter-offer. I do not think OJ has tried to cut anybody’s head off recently, but he is still a murderer. Bill Ayers made bombs that blew up people and property. That he got a job at a university after that does not make him anything other than a terrorist. He just happens to have gotten away with it, and rewarded by the liberal academic elites.

    JD (f7900a)

  323. Listen. For someone who believes Obama’s beliefs without question, you need to extend the same courtesy to William Ayers. He speaks for himself. He’s gone on record with a major print publication, and you just can’t change that. Water under the bridge and all.

    But if you do choose to reject his words, you are committed to analyzing Barack Obama with the same questioning style. We await your perspective.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  324. Do you really want to go there?”

    Irony is not your strong suit. Try to tackle logic first.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  325. love, with all due respect,
    Go Fuck Yourself!

    Comment by Another Drew — 10/14/2008 @ 8:44 pm
    There you go again, polluting the blog. I will keep my pledge to you. I will treat you with respect and deference. So, thank you very much. And I forgive you.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  326. Why are so many making excuses for the vile behavior of these people. The truth to the matter is that Obama supporters have been behaving in this manner from the beginning attacking and attempting to suppress all those who are not in agreement with their Messiah. It is wrong! What they did was wrong! What some of McCain/Palin supporters are doing are equally wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. The ugliness of a few are tearing this country apart. While everyone blames McCain/Palin, does anyone remember Obama’s speech in Elko, Nevada last month when he told his supporters:
    “I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
    (See my blog of September 24, 2008, Obama: “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”.)

    The media did not even think it was worth covering, and anyone who spoke up about it was immediately ignored or called racist. I say again, two wrongs do not make a right.

    At least McCain was decent enough to caution his supporters. Obama has not done the same thing which tells us what to expect if by some fluke he becomes president.

    pumabydesign001 (7e77fc)

  327. The media did not even think it was worth covering, and anyone who spoke up about it was immediately ignored or called racist. I say again, two wrongs do not make a right.

    But if you’re a democrat, anything you do is just fine…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  328. Comment by love2008 — 10/14/2008 @ 8:51 pm

    Now it’s your turn to provide proof that Ayers’ anti-war sentiments wouldn’t cause him to bomb again, seeing as he himself
    doesn’t discount the possibility.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  329. Obama’s business partner, Bill Ayers, helped launch the Obama political brand. He also co-opted the massive $150m Annenberg project. “I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. “I feel we didn’t do enough.” Obama’s affiliation with a domestic terrorist (whether it fits your agenda or not).

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  330. You know what’s funny? These people would have a freakin cow if a GOP candidate was a BUSINESS ASSOCIATE of Timothy McVeigh. If a fund-raiser was held in McVeigh’s living room to launch some puppet into politics… yet, we see the Obots treating Sarah Palin like she’s worse than Tim McVeigh! And Bill Ayers? He’s just a cool old fool. A hippie with a defunct bomb recipe.

    You guys are just ripe with contradiction. We’re already onto the ruse that Dems want to rule through numbers, not ‘help’ the masses.

    Vermont Neighbor (c91cfe)

  331. You know what’s funny? These people would have a freakin cow if a GOP candidate was a BUSINESS ASSOCIATE of Timothy McVeigh. If a fund-raiser was held in McVeigh’s living room to launch some puppet into politics…
    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 10/15/2008 @ 12:35 pm

    Ayup. Exactly.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)


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