An L.A. Times Article That Mostly Mocks Itself
An L.A. Times article, presented mostly without comment — because comment really isn’t necessary:
After a week of increasingly nasty rallies in which John McCain and Sarah Palin hammered Democratic rival Barack Obama over his “association” with a 1960s-era radical, the Republican candidates changed tactics Saturday during campaign swings through two presidential battleground states.
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Emotions — particularly anger — have been running high at GOP gatherings.
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On a day when an important civil rights figure condemned the tone of the McCain campaign, Palin seemed to acknowledge the nastiness.
Who is the important civil rights figure? Why, someone who compares McCain to George Wallace. Because they’re pretty much comparable figures, dontcha think?
On Saturday, Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a central figure in the civil rights movement, accused McCain of poisoning the political atmosphere, comparing him to former Alabama Gov. George C. Wallace, a proponent of racial segregation.
“He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who only desired to exercise their constitutional rights,” wrote Lewis, who is black. “As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all. . . . The American people deserve better.”
Get ready for four years of the race card, folks. You want to criticize The One? You’re a racist.
Get used to it.
P.S. I just read parts of this article to a friend who is an athiest and thinks McCain and Palin are a joke. “That’s the opinion page you’re reading from, right?”
How ironic it is that the leading American racists are Black Democrats such as: Jesse Jackson, Shelia Jackson, Maxine Waters, etc. Their entire world view is measured by the participant’s race.
BTW, George Wallace was a Democrat when in stood in the school house door.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 10/13/2008 @ 12:48 amBS!
The only individuals who have “pulled the race card” are the republicans, who have resorted to manipulating some individuals’ fear of others based on race and non-Christian/Jewish religions to incite doubt about Barack Obama. All of a sudden, McCain’s campaign asks who is Barack Obama? They are using some people’s prejudice about Arabs or Muslims or Blacks to incite doubt about Barack Obama. There is no reason to say that we do not know who Barack Obama is. As far as character goes, I know Barack Obama just as much as I know about John McCain, who by the way was born in Panama. If nothing else, McCain’s birth place and qualification for presidency should be investigated even if he was born as a result of his father being stationed outside of the USA.
Even McCain had to ask those attending his rallies to be more respectful of Obama. This is getting out of hand because those who are republican and support McCain appear to have prejudices and militant ideologies. I don’t like it. It scares me that McCain can incite that much fear just by injecting race into this political race. Being that half of Obama’s genes come from a male Kenyan is not all of that important because he was raised by his white mother and grandparents and for only five years by his Indonesian step father and never by his African father.
Instead of talking about the issues, both campaigns are performing character assaults. I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for John McCain. He was smeared by the very people who now are leading his campaign’s message. Just because he had adopted a child that was not white, the Bush campaign team lead by Karl Rove and his proteges led a campaign of misinformation about McCain’s child, saying that he fathered an illegitimate black child. They manipulated the fears and prejudices of the republican base to incite doubt about John McCain, which has nothing to do with his policy views. I guess McCain figured that since these deleterious tactics worked against him, they might work against Obama. McCain had a chance to take the high road, but he never will because he is not wired that way. I am now learning that what others described as a maverick was in fact an impulsive guy subject to random whims that will help him to win, not create and maintain change.
Da Bombz Diggity (f489d5) — 10/13/2008 @ 12:50 amThe “Obama is an Arab” woman speaks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XmerZEyHE
She’s a super representative of the new, desperate, nasty and ignorant Republican Party.
Syracuse! (b8c7e2) — 10/13/2008 @ 12:51 amGreat video, Syracuse.
Yeah, we’re going to lose because the Democrats have no compunction about saying any nasty thing they can against McCain and Palin while our Presidential candidate is intent on being a gentleman.
nk (f2ee58) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:02 amThe only individuals who have “pulled the race card” are the republicans
Uh, wasn’t there a bit of tension associated with racial undertones between the DEMOCRAT Obama and DEMOCRAT Clinton camps a few months ago, as perceived by both Obama supporters (all liberals) and Hillary backers (all liberals), or at least one or the other?
They manipulated the fears and prejudices of the republican base to incite doubt about John McCain, which has nothing to do with his policy views.
I don’t recall hearing or seeing anything in that regard. If such a tactic occurred, it must have been reserved to some small voting jurisdiction of the country.
And methinks you doth protest too much about the idea of manipulating fears and prejudices. After all, if Barack Obama could tolerate the loony, racist rantings of Jeremiah Wright (who was Obama’s “sounding board” practically right up to the bitter end) — and assuming you happily support Obama — you theoretically are capable of doing no less.
Mark (cfa800) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:35 amFrom the BBC
I find it amazing that we continue to waste our “global” energies on Roe v. Wade. As if any single or even a somewhat group of politicos would so much as even entertain a suggestion of depraving ANY woman of their right to do what THEY deem best for themselves! D&C’s have been performed for many years before it was ever called abortions, but the end result is the same, and if by some fluke of super crazy politicos actions deemed R V W wrong, well welcome to the real world of “personal problems” handled by personal physicians for whatever reason they deem to write on the forms.
The sooner we rid ourselves of anything synonymous of a so called “Black Caucus” the sooner we can get on with life as most folks would rather enjoy seeing it. The whites have bent over backwards to accommodate, and it appears at no time has so much as a, well done, been issued. So it seems to be coming down to “white guilt” vote to put a half breed tax consumer into a position of ultimate power in the
world.
It seems the reality is that no matter what color of the week Obama declares, he STILL can’t manage to tell the truth on almost any subject! He is lucky his grandparents are old, and his momma is dead, sans she would cold cock the mouthy little bastard halfbreed and put him in his place. Well probably not as momma did not seem to have much backbone either. It appears that she was the ultimate specimen of “white guilt” herself.
As far as I’m concerned today, the use of two words has become so “normal” to some that they have lost their meaning totally, one is racist the other nazi! Neither mean a thing today more than hell, dam, shit or even fuck. Just another attempt to degrade one for views the accuser does not hold dear.
TC (0b9ca4) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:40 amYou want to talk about anger? My grandfather was a Republican in Alabama all the way back to the 1920’s. Back then, the party there could caucus in a broom closet, and being a white Republican might get the Klan on your doorstep. He and my dad worked against a DEMOCRAT named George Wallace for a couple of decades… and now these guys dare to compare people like them to that worthless son of a bitch.
Yeah, that makes me angry, all right.
Will Collier (5ea774) — 10/13/2008 @ 4:28 amWhat is really amazing is that in the 21st century, if ever a person of color mentions or points to mistreatment they are “playing the race card” We say this as if their place in the scheme of things is to shut up and just take crap or else we call them a poor sport and claim they played the race card–
Maybe they do play the race card–but maybe a lot of the time–we DEALT the race card. America is still a very racist society and guess what? When a man holds up a monkey and says it is little Obama Hussein–that’s ugly and racist–if you don’t want that card played stopped dealing in racist bs.
queenbeethatsme (e5f100) — 10/13/2008 @ 5:25 amComment by TC — 10/13/2008 @ 1:40 am
“He is lucky his grandparents are old, and his momma is dead, sans she would cold cock the mouthy little bastard halfbreed and put him in his place.”
considering you are so blinded by bigotry–how would you know when any group has been accomodated or when people have bent over backward? White guilt? How about White self respect? Your soul is filthy dear. Please don’t say you are a Christian. That and your blatant, ugly racism CANNOT coexist together.
queenbeethatsme (e5f100) — 10/13/2008 @ 5:30 amWe now are being invaded by allegedly competing Trolls, though I seriously question whether the first one in this exchange is nothing more than another plant, designed to provoke the howls of outrage that curiously appear directly after that posting.
Guys, your two – man dumb act is exposed. Buh – byeeee.
Dmac (cc81d9) — 10/13/2008 @ 5:36 amMaybe “conservative anger” is news because it isn’t the normal state of things. It would also be news if a few leftists showed up at a political rally expressing their pride in being American.
w3bgrrl (5b8906) — 10/13/2008 @ 5:44 amA more valid comparison than McCain vs. Wallace would be Ayers vs. Brian De La Beckwith. If McCain had had a close relationship with Beckwith, I wonder if Obama supporters would be mollified by the fact that his murder of Medgar Edgars occurred 40 years ago and McCain had harshly condemned the act?
ROA (9f9e47) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:51 amI would think that, based on statements I can find, they would be mollified merely because of the time that has past. I don’t think Obama has actually “harshly condemed” Ayers’s actions…
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:55 amWhereas this is clever political commentary.
Well, there are certainly sectors of American society that are racist.
But that’s true anyplace. That doesn’t make the society as a whole racist. But the people who voted for Ben Cardin are definitely racists.
Pablo (99243e) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:56 amWell, Bush is a racist, and pretty much a murderer for thinking that the death penalty is sufficient punishment for James Byrd’s killers. Is there no justice?
Pablo (99243e) — 10/13/2008 @ 7:08 amObjection. Introducing facts not in evidence. But, if I follow correctly, sock monkeys about Bush are quite fine. Sock monkeys about Obama – RACIST. Middle names are also racist, though I cannot determine what race they are referencing.
JD (f7900a) — 10/13/2008 @ 7:45 amAh, Pablo, moral equivalency as usual?
What a great argument. So, in 2004 when 88% of blacks voted for Kerry were they racist then too?
See, one of the things a racist does is try to divide people along racial lines (like you just did). Another a racist might do is claim blacks caused a financial crisis because the nice white banks were “forced” to make them loans (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary)
See, that’s what racists do, but just because you do those things doesn’t make you a racist, Pablo. You’re just a Republican tool who will say anything to “win” an argument, even if that means denying data or misconstruing poll numbers.
timb (a83d56) — 10/13/2008 @ 8:00 am“…when 88% of blacks voted for Kerry were they racist then too…”
No, they were responding to the Ethno-Racism Electoral Policy of the Democratic Party rooted in the legacy of FDR.
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 8:19 amAs long as they stay on the Dem Plantation, they will be “taken care of” by their Socialist masters – except, that they are taken for granted by the powers-that-be in the party, only to be massaged at election time.
It is the apostates that venture into the conservative/GOP fold that are vilified as non-persons, and traitors to their race, and suffer political-crucifiction in the media everyday.
Cuomo disagrees with timmah. So do most sentient beings.
JD (f7900a) — 10/13/2008 @ 8:43 am“So, in 2004 when 88% of blacks voted for Kerry were they racist then too?”
I always felt that the propagation and acceptance of the idea that 88% of blacks agree on anything, – with the exception of we all have to breathe – is in, and of itself, racist. Exit polling in front of an inner city precinct, and then extrapolating those figures and attitudes to all blacks, regardless of their income, education level, location and/or politics, says far more about the mindset of those conducting the polling, than it does about all blacks.
Personally, I feel that the idea that blacks – unlike other ethnic groups – think and act as some monolithic group, serves the interests of both political parties.
Michael D. Giles (830c60) — 10/13/2008 @ 9:33 amTim- “…nice white banks were “forced” to make them loans (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary)”
JD-“Cuomo disagrees with timmah. So do most sentient beings.”
No JD, they don’t.
And this has been shown again and again over the past couple of months, and it’s been mentioned here, by me and others. I think I linked to this article itself here a day or so ago. But you ignore data that contradicts what “you know” to be true.
One can’t argue with faith.
You like Palin not because you think she’s qualified but because she’s as stubborn as you, even in her lies.
Palin- “I’m very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing … any hint of any kind of unethical activity there.”
Nanker Phelge (139099) — 10/13/2008 @ 9:47 amThat’s literally, absolutely, not true. It’s called making your own reality.
FOUR MORE YEARS!
Yes, but Freddie and Fannie were the ones buying those bad mortgages. Had it not been for the massive pile of unrecoverable debt they actively sought, they would have been fine.
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 10/13/2008 @ 9:59 amThe sub-prime market would not exist if that crap couldn’t be unloaded upon someone.
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:07 amFannie and Freddie were that someone.
As long as the originators knew they could walk away with a profit, and not be in danger of any losses on these loans, they made them, and passed the liability on to the GSE’s, which now passes them on to us.
Felcher – Doesn’t it get tiring just going around being a partisan hack?
Scott & AD – Of all of the recent drive-by trolls, this one is one of the worst.
JD (f7900a) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:22 am“…this one is one of the worst.”
Which is why, when I deign to respond to him directly, I refer to him affectionately as
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:27 am“Fudge Wanker”.
I am going to go with Wanker Felcher. Do not google that.
JD (f7900a) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:30 amBTW, JD…
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:30 amDid you happen to read the comment by the one who nyok has engaged with re her relationship with the nut-case preacher that the Left keeps trying to hang around McCain’s neck?
AD – I am not sure. Which thread is it in?
JD (f7900a) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:45 amJD…
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:51 amLook here @ #83…
http://www.patterico.com/2008/10/13/for-everyone-convinced-the-election-is-over/#comments
In the article linked to in the main post, there’s a very interesting paragraph you didn’t mention:
Before McCain spoke, a Christian pastor offered a prayer that seemed to ask for divine intervention on his behalf. “There are millions of people around this world praying to their God — whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that [McCain’s] opponent wins for a variety of reasons,” Pastor Arnold Conrad said. “And, Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens.”
What a way to stir up a crowd — have a pastor tell God that he needs to intervene on McCain’s behalf, because Obama is getting support of other gods. Makes me rather ill — welcome to radical Christianity.
Phil (6d9f2f) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:36 pmAnd ONCE AGAIN Phil tries to change the subject. Heckuva job, Philly.
[McCain told the pastor what to say, did he?]
Icy Truth (1468e4) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:49 pm[McCain told the pastor what to say, did he?]
Oh, THAT’s the standard. I assume we’re not interested in any statements by Rev. Wright or Bil Ayers anymore, then. Because Obama didn’t tell them what to say.
Phil (6d9f2f) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:52 pm#30 Catch up with the news Phil. Obama supporters believe he is the “Chosen One,” and the “One we have been waiting for.” Unfortunately, Obama also believes it. Anyone who disagrees is a racist and must be sent to reeducation camp.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:53 pmHey Phil, are you going to defend your going-down-in-flames ACORN premise in this thread?
Paul (4861df) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:55 pmObama supporters believe he is the “Chosen One,” and the “One we have been waiting for.” Unfortunately, Obama also believes it. Anyone who disagrees is a racist and must be sent to reeducation camp.
McCain’s campaign can talk all day about how he’s the chosen one, and I wouldn’t care. It’s when they start having their preachers pray about their gods showing up other people’s gods, setting up basically a religious war over the presidency, that it starts to get creepy.
Phil (6d9f2f) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:56 pmtimmah!!!
See, one of the things a racist does is try to divide people along racial lines (like you just did).
— Like the liberals and Democrats do, you mean.
Another [thing] a racist might do is claim blacks caused a financial crisis because the nice white banks were “forced” to make them loans (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary).
— This is true. Thank God there are no such racists inhabiting this blog.
See, that’s what racists do, but just because you do those things doesn’t make you a racist, Pablo.
— I didn’t see Pablo do any of those things.
You’re just a Republican tool who will say anything to “win” an argument, even if that means denying data or misconstruing poll numbers.
Icy Truth (1468e4) — 10/13/2008 @ 1:56 pm— Yes. The non sequiter/ad hominem attack combo. You might want to keep your psychoanalysis to yourself.
It scares me that McCain can incite that much fear just by injecting race into this political race.
He hasn’t injected race into the campaign. This is getting as psycho now as various claims about Bush that have no basis in reality.
Gerald A (ebb8b5) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:06 pmPhil’s lip –
McCain’s campaign can talk all day about how he’s the chosen one, and I wouldn’t care.
— You don’t have to worry about whether or not to care, because NO ONE says that McCain is the chosen one. We aren’t voting to bestow sainthood here. Conservatives know this; Obamaniacs do not.
It’s when they start having their preachers pray about their gods showing up other people’s gods, setting up basically a religious war over the presidency, that it starts to get creepy.
Icy Truth (1468e4) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:07 pm— Despite your seeming acknowledgement (in #32) that McCain did not tell this pastor what to say, you go ahead and reiterate it? There is no “religious war” over the presidency. Oh, and feel free to dispense with this moral equivalency bullshit, that what this pastor said at one McCain event holds as much weight as a 15-20 year association with Wright & a 10-15 year associatrion with Ayers.
“association”; typing too fast
Icy Truth (1468e4) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:08 pmJD… that should have been comment #88 @ 1000
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:18 pmSorry.
queenbeethatsme —
What is really amazing is that in the 21st century, if ever a person of color mentions or points to mistreatment they are “playing the race card”
— Not true, but by virtue of using the phrase “if ever”, YOU are guilty of uttering a stereotype.
We say this as if their place in the scheme of things is to shut up and just take crap or else we call them a poor sport and claim they played the race card–
— Negative. There are legitimate claims of discrimination, and then there are false allegations. This article is about false allegations.
Maybe they do play the race card–but maybe a lot of the time–we DEALT the race card.
— You seem to almost be admitting that sometimes the card is overplayed.
America is still a very racist society and guess what? When a man holds up a monkey and says it is little Obama Hussein–that’s ugly and racist–if you don’t want that card played stopped dealing in racist bs.
Icy Truth (1468e4) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:22 pm— Well, I did say “almost”. Of course, in the liberal world of finding moral equivalency and justification for everything it just naturally follows that the legitimate instances of racism give an excuse to those who cry racism when it IS NOT present. ‘The boy (sorry if that’s racially insensitive) who cried wolf’ has the right to do so because sometimes the wolf actually shows up. Interestingly, those that support warrantless wiretaps might say the exact same thing.
This is true. Thankfully neither congress, the Fed, nor banks have race or creed, and thus it would be a foolish person indeed to make this claim.
However, if I were to say that Congress, via the Fed, pressured banks into giving ANYONE with poor credit scores (and in some cases no income, period) loans, then I would be stating something quite true.
And amazingly, you would still call me a racist.
Scott Jacobs (a1c284) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:32 pmYou like Palin not because you think she’s qualified but because she’s as stubborn as you, even in her lies.
Wanker seems to be channeling Philhemina with it’s relentless attempts to change the subject in every thread.
Dmac (cc81d9) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:42 pmScott, as if you don’t already now by now, anyone who criticizes The Messiah is a de facto racist.
We’re all wacists, wacists!
Dmac (cc81d9) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:43 pm“know.”
Dmac (cc81d9) — 10/13/2008 @ 2:44 pmThe Official Obama website has some really classy people. The media may insist that GOP rallys are replete with awful racists calling for violence, but ignores the vile hatred on the left. Check out Littlegreenfootballs picture of Obamabot posting at the Obama site. Nice misogynist story and T-shirt with “Palin is a C*nt” on it…since removed.
How about the outrage of having today as a Federal Holiday? The shame of the incredibly evil Columbus is allowed linger and fester. Send all the Italians back to Sicily and Italy..America for Americans or at least those Mexican peeps discriminated against in their actual own stolen land. /
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 10/13/2008 @ 3:20 pmIf blacks who today overwhelmingly support Obama for President are racist, then they should have equally supported Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Carol Mosely-Braun when they ran for president as well. This was not the case. So, black citizens are NOT choosing only to vote for black presidential candidates; this argument is unsubstantiated. In fact, originally, blacks overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton, but after Bill Clinton’s questionable remarks in South Carolina, blacks increasingly favored Obama.
Earlier someone stated that Obama’s support or Jeremiah Wright made Obama a questionable figure. I disagree completely. Firstly, not everyone in our lives are without fault. As Jesus said in the bible, let he without fault throw the first stone. My own father can spew racist venom, but I love him and have received great council from him many times. I don’t like his racist ideologies and I argue with him about them, but his racist ideologies don’t inform my reality. I suspect that this is the same with Obama. Obama also addressed this in his speech on race. Jeremiah Wright is a great preacher, but he is also very arrogant, has said controversial truths, and felt compelled to speak out to the media when he should’ve kept his mouth shut. I disagree that Wright has said inflammatory comments. Saying in a sermon that America’s chickens have come home to roost with 9/11 is only being truthful. 9/11 was BLOWBACK. Unfortunately, the people who were uninvolved in America’s criminal actions were sacrificed. Osama bin Laden believes that killing innocents is a means to an end. He uses the same tactics as was used by the US government when we struck Nagasaki and Hiroshima with the atom bomb. The US military has a similar term for something like that “collateral damage”. It’s all very sad. The fact that America trained and supported Osama bin Laden so that the Russians would leave Afghanistan should be enough for anyone to contemplate the US role in creating the terrorist network that is Al-qaeda today. The chickens in this case would be Osama bin Laden (militantly supported and trained by the US) who believes that superpowers should not impose their interests on other countries and the roosting part comes from Osama bin Laden attacking the US who he believes took on the very ideals as that of the Russians in Afghanistan. So, I don’t think that Rev. Wright was wrong, I only think that his comments were inconvenient because people always love to shoot the messenger even if the messenger is telling a difficult truth.
Da Bombz Diggity (f489d5) — 10/13/2008 @ 4:55 pm“…The fact that America trained and supported Osama bin Laden…”
No facts in evidence.
The United States, and other nations including Saudi Arabia (which is not exactly OBL’s favorite gov’t), provided material support to groups within Afghanistan allowing them to resist Soviet aggression against their country.
I challenge you to present factual evidence that conclusively, or otherwise, indicates that OBL received training from U.S. personnel in resistence warfare, or any anti-Soviet activities.
Put up, or shut up!
Another Drew (1d7115) — 10/13/2008 @ 5:10 pmDa Bombz, you should consider the reason why so many of your claims in your comments are completely false. Is it that you got your history from frauds like Ward Churchill?
SPQR (26be8b) — 10/13/2008 @ 5:54 pmThis, Timmah!, is evidence of how nice it is if you’re an idiot. See, if you had two functioning synapses, you’d have considered what I was responding to and trying to contrast. You’d note that I was responding to an attempt to divide people along racial lines, and if you had 3 functioning synapses, you’d note that I further mocked the “voting against black people is racist” meme by invoking Ben Cardin, and then necessarily Michael Steele.
But instead, you just get to call me a dividey racist and go along your merry way. Sometimes, I wish I was an idiot like you. Things would be really, really simple if I had your lack of comprehension and curiosity. But after i consider all of that, I usually get serious and start being glad that I’m not quite that stupid.
Pablo (99243e) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:14 pmSome of the best jokes are unintended humor.
Such as Mr. Patterico and the lemmings in this little room screaming TASERGATE TASERGATE TASERGATE for so long and now being so………..quiet…………..about it.
Immediately link to some other nut’s immediate thumbs down on it…… and fuggehdabboutit.
Yeah, right.
Can you spell i-m-p-e-a-c–h-m-e-n-t? There’s a misdemeanor in there that qualifies for just that.
I guess you’re smart not to fire that taser while it’s aimed at your foot. Oops. You already did.
Larry Reilly (d11f9a) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:21 pmGuess no one here read the Salon mag piece on Palin and the Alaska Indendence Pary it a few days ago. (Doubt anyone here knows the political difference between “independence” and “independent.”) Oh, yeah, poo all over that story in this echo chamber. Gotta stick to re-enforcing each other’s viewpoint….echo….echo…echo….
And I know that none of you will touch the Congressional Quarterly piece just out knocking down the whole Bill Ayers smear.
Why?
Because when one flung turd don’t stick to the wall, you move on to throwing the next one.
Patterico the media critic?
Tee-hee-hee.
Larry, have a drink and a composition class, would ya?
Pablo (99243e) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:25 pmI read the whole, non-sensical thing and this line sums it up nicely.
CW Desiato (614aa7) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:26 pmLarry – Was your comment intended for this thread? You know you’ve had that problem here before.
Heard any other fake stories lately? DRJ asked you to follow up on one you were making allegations about last week, something about rape kits in Alaska not being debunked. Where does that stand Larry?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:33 pmLarry Reilly, your comment is nothing but flung turds.
SPQR (26be8b) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:34 pm“Unfortunately, the people who were uninvolved in America’s criminal actions were sacrificed.”
Da Bombs – What criminal actions are you talking about?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:38 pmYou folks know only the poles you sniff and pee.
Larry Reilly (d11f9a) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:44 pmThere’s a big world out there. Stay in here where it’s safe.
Larry – Drunkblogging again?
“You folks know only the poles you sniff and pee.”
You used this same phrase last week. Are you a homophobe? Are you saying people here are all gay? Please interpret?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:50 pmwoof woof
Larry Reilly (d11f9a) — 10/13/2008 @ 6:57 pmI can understand why you would have no idea. You have been brainwashed by the corporate controlled media. Is history allowed to vanish because you will it? These rules work for electrons in the theory of quantum mechanics, but not in our reality! When Bush says that Al-Qaeda terrorizes us because we are free, you believed him didn’t you? Do you seriously believe that that’s the only reason why Osama is on this rampage, because he hates our desire to be free, live democratically and so on? If you believe that, then we will surely have another catastrophe on US soil similar to 9/11. If you knew the truth, we could force our leaders who’ve created these issues for us since around the 1980s to change course and provide corrective actions.
Let me expand upon my previous statements because many of you unfortunately just don’t know this. Remember the Cold War? Remember the US need to dominate the world and crush the Soviet Union’s power and influence? Well, the blowback that we are experiencing today saw its birth in our need to compete with the Soviet Union. In the 1980s, the CIA found a friend in Osama bin Laden who was willing to work with Guerilla groups, like the mujahadeen guerillas, to oppose the soviet occupiers. Upon the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union the US gov’t armed every single mujahadeen with weapons. Doesn’t this sound plausible especially since the US was actively trying to win the Cold War? As a result of the US backed support of these guerillas many civilians as well as militants died and many civilians became refugees. This fueled the resentment against the US and later became fuel for al-Qaeda to come after innocent US civilians.
Someone asked me to explain some criminal actions by the US government. There are too many to document, but I’m sure that it would make a great encyclopedia set.
Iran Contra.
Torture.
Iraq War.
“The byproducts of [the American empire] are likely to buildup reservoirs of resentment against all Americans: tourists, students, businessmen, as well as members of the armed forces that can have lethal results. For any empire including an unacknowledged one there’s a kind of balance sheet that builds up over time. Military crimes, accidents and atrocities make up only one category in the debit side of the balance sheet that the United States has been accumulating, especially since the Cold War ended.” Chalmers Johnson in his book entitled “Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire” published in 2000, before the 9/11 attacks.
We can’t afford anymore losses! We must learn US history and stop assuming that everyone hates us for existing. It’s much deeper than that. Ignorance has been bliss for a while, but we are losing lives now. When will you act? When someone dear to you has been terrorized?
Watch Taxi to the Dark Side.
Watch Extraordinary Rendition.
The Ghosts of Abu Ghraib.
Preventive Warriors.
Afghan Warriors.
Interview about Afghan Warriors.
Da Bombz Diggity (f489d5) — 10/13/2008 @ 10:02 pm