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10/7/2008

GOP on Obama’s Connections to William Ayers

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 12:23 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Barack Obama and his spokesman, Robert Gibbs, have repeatedly asserted that Obama and William Ayers have a limited relationship: They live in the same neighborhood (or their kids go to the same schools) and, anyway, Obama was only 8 when Ayers was a terrorist.

The GOP claims Obama and Ayers have more extensive connections. Here is my summary of the main points:

Ayers and Dohrn launched Obama’s Illinois State Senate candidacy in their home in 1995.

In March 1995, Ayers was asked to help Obama formulate the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by-laws.

From March 1995 to September 1997, Obama and Ayers attended at least 7 meetings of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge including 5 Board of Directors’ meetings.

In 1997 and 2001, Obama and Ayers appeared together on two academic panels. The 1997 panel was organized by Michelle Obama to discuss the juvenile justice system, an area Ayers and Obama apparently agreed on.

In 1997, Obama praised Ayers’ book on the juvenile justice system.

From 1999 to 2002, Obama served with Ayers on the Board Of Directors for Woods Fund Of Chicago. During this time, Ayers was quoted in the New York Times (9/11/01) as saying “I don’t regret setting bombs … I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Obama was 40 years old at the time of Ayers’ New York Times interview.

The GOP post concludes with background on the Weather Underground, a “Violent Left-Wing Activist Group.” Ayers was a founding member of a group that bombed the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon during the 1970s and whose members described themselves as Communists.

But it is true that Obama and Ayers live in the same neighborhood, although Ayers and Dohrn aren’t your average American neighbors (except, perhaps, in Chicago). For the next month, the GOP will undoubtedly remind Americans of Obama’s extreme taste in neighbors and associates.

— DRJ

160 Responses to “GOP on Obama’s Connections to William Ayers”

  1. The Brinks robbery was in the 80’s, and Dohrn’s jail time was substantially later than that.

    If these aren’t the terrorists he thought he knew, he’s terminally incurious.

    Al (b624ac)

  2. You would think that he would enquire as to why the Ayers’ were raising the child of Kathy Bodin while she was in prison for murder; ie, what was their nexus to Bodin?
    Talk about an un-curious mind. Or just hiding the truth?

    disgusted (d30543)

  3. I thought that Baracky was supposed to be the smart, intelligent, intellectually curious candidate? How is it that he did not know what Bill Ayers had done? When he found out, why was his response to simply shrug his shoulders? Ayers did not get thrown under the back of the bus, like Rev. Wright, until it was not only politically expedient to do so, but necessary.

    JD (f7900a)

  4. Their kids go to the same schools? I find that doubtful considering the disparate ages of the two men. Unless, they meant that they didn’t attend concurrently….

    BSKB (0ded4f)

  5. BSKB – Axelrod left that little bit of wiggle room in there, and the media glossed right over it.

    JD (f7900a)

  6. Hey DRJ, how much of the “GOP Ayers files” do you think came from Hillary Clinton and her operatives? She obviously couldn’t use them in the primaries, so do you think they quietly turned them over to the McCain folks?

    JVW (f93297)

  7. Trust me, the only Chicagoans who consider filth like Ayers an average American neighbor are some of the folks in Hyde Park, our corrupt Mayor, the soon – to – be – indicted Governor, the corrupt head of the Illinois Senate (Emil Jones), and the recently – deceased corrupt head of Cook County (John Stroger, Sr.). These are the ringleaders of the Chicago Machine for the Dem party, and they all played critical roles in Obama’s rise to power. Hope. Change. Hackery. Corrupt. Indicted.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  8. How can we construct the pool / drinking game to foreshadow
    a) the appearance of the Obama fans on this thread by which number comment and who they will be
    b) what turns of phrase they will use to dismiss the topic
    c) how harsh the insults will be that are thrown
    d) how long before an improper use of “your” vs. “you’re”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  9. But Baracky is new hopey changey, Dmac. I am confuzzled.

    JD (f7900a)

  10. Senor Klompus

    a) by comment 23
    b) distraction, Keating, erratic
    c) racists
    d) by comment 47

    JD (f7900a)

  11. JVW,

    I like to think the GOP has the ability to gather information like this on its own, but I also hope it wouldn’t turn down the opportunity to look at the Clinton files if they were offered.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  12. Hey JD, can you translate “confuzzled” into Arabic?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  13. a) lovey in 32
    b) “face it”, “scared”, “non-issue”, “Keating 5”
    c) “losers” but no profanity
    d) oiram in 51

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  14. *yawn*

    Just so nobody wins the pool 😉

    Bob Loblaw (6d485c)

  15. AD – a combination of الخلط and حيرة

    JD (f7900a)

  16. Jack #8 (12:52 pm), I’m going all-out in this:

    a) 21, and a brand-new name at Patterico’s Pontifications (maybe an old favorite like Levi commenting from a new IP).
    b) “warmonger,” “Depression,” “creationism”
    c) the f-bomb
    d) comment 26, but it will be “yur” instead

    JVW (f93297)

  17. I think that you are being overoptimistic about how people will respond to the Ayers story.
    [Note–in what follows I’m talking more about how people might perceive the facts, and not so much about what the actual facts are.]
    The Weatherman bombings are, in terms of contemporary life, ancient history. I’m not quite fifty, and while I probably heard of them before, the first time I heard the details, and had the story stick in my memory, was this year, when Ayers-Obama connection first began to be talked about. My best guess is that anyone under 60 (55 at the youngest) would be in the same situation.
    And whatever they do know about it, will be filtered through their knowledge of the whole Vietnam ant-war movement. Result–much less damage to Obama.
    Also, the Democrats are using this as an excuse to try to unload some answering slime in McCain’s direction. I’ve seen G. Gordon Liddy (who isn’t exactly a penitent) and some organization on whose board McCain sat which began to attract some prime rightwing bigots and nuts [from what I heard, McCain left the board when the bigots and nuts began to appear, or perhaps before, but of course that’s not going to stop anyone..]Most damaging, it allows them to bring up the Keating 5, which will resonate much more than Ayers will because the basic situation–the S&L crisis–is so close to what’s going on now. And please note that the one thing for which McCain was formally blamed at the end of the affair was a lack of judgment–and judgment is what McCain wants us to know he has and Obama doesn’t. So the Keating story goes right to the heart of that claim.
    If I was the GOP, I would have skipped over Ayers and made as much as I could of the purposes and failures of the Annenberg Challenge.
    And I’ve seen some people comment about why Ayers picked Obama to head the Challenge as if they think there is something sinister. I think Ayers reasoning was obvious–a young ambitious lawyer who had obvious leftist leanings (and was black, which allowed Ayers to feel a little more self righteous), and who could therefore be expected to do Ayers’ bidding, not only because he generally agreed with Ayers but because he was looking to get ahead.

    kishnevi (7b38bb)

  18. DAMN nice one JVW!!! Going for the Lions to take the Super Bowl ?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  19. You truly are serious thinking you’ve got something here, huh, DRJ?

    It’s 18 months old and 10 million has been spent by GOP hacks digging. And they came up with they’ve met seven times when they worked on the same project together.

    Meanwhile… …the Dow Jones lost another 500 points today.

    Great economy W and the GOP. Nice work. We all appreciate the opportunity to help out Wall Street with our tax dollars.

    jharp (2282bb)

  20. kishnevi,

    I admire your dedication to logic and reason but they have nothing to do with politics.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  21. “It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier,” said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. “It’s ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It’s nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It’s so silly.”

    This will be all over the place later, its really a non-issue, if this is the last bastion of hope for us. We are truely sunk….

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  22. Couple of points and a prediction:
    a. The network news always waits until Oct before these stories go out. They have to be forced to finally report them, always hurting the Dem candidate. As WLS noted it is “in the bloodstream” now. Unlearned lesson is that Joe and Jane voter are interested in the truth and the earlier it is addressed the better. One would think after 40 years with only one two term POTUS the MSM would figure it out.
    b. McCain has been “getting into Obama’s head” and making this come to the forefront a few days from the debate is probably the intent re timing. McCain may have a pat line or phrase that will get played over and over in anticipation of Obama’s expected dodge on this. Something along the lines of “At what point do you start accepting responsibility for your lack of good judgment”

    prediction: a couple of days out from the third debate the Rev Wright stuff will get tons of play by some 527 group.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  23. Hilarious

    AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark told me recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. “She’s Alaskan to the bone … she sounds just like Joe Vogler.”
    So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin’ around with?

    …Vogler wasn’t just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.
    Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

    That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.
    AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. “The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed,” by Vogler’s U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. “And we can’t have that, can we?”
    The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama’s tenuous connection to graying, ’60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins’ connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.

    nutjob republicans (bec964)

  24. Comment by kishnevi — 10/7/2008 @ 1:07 pm

    Kish, a challenge…
    How would the Left react if someone from the Right were the GOP nominee, or a highly regarded advisor/associate of the nominee, and it was determined that they were a member of the Nat’l Guard Unit at Kent State?
    Such a scenario would be a 24/7, megaton blast on every outlet of the MSM, and it wouldn’t matter if that person actually held a rifle or not.

    AOracle (d30543)

  25. a) 32, anon Troll
    b) Palin as Moose – Killer/Fundie, McSame as senile
    c) morons
    d) 32

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  26. VOR2,

    Trial lawyers virtually always bring out bad news about their client during direct examination. The goal is to present bad information early, in a manner you can control, and in a way that explains your client’s actions in a sympathetic light. Trial lawyers never, ever want bad information to come out on cross-examination because it looks like you were hiding it. Juries hate that.

    Voters hate it, too, and I can tell the Obama campaign doesn’t have many experienced trial lawyers as advisers.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  27. Comment by nutjob republicans — 10/7/2008 @ 1:19 pm

    If the AIP was so dedicated to succeeding from the Union, why would they endorse, and work to elect, Wally Hickel as Governor, when he was one of the driving forces behind Statehood in 1959?

    The logic of that association just does not exist.

    AOracle (d30543)

  28. Okay, who had #22 “nutjob republicans” and “secessionists”?

    DRJ (c953ab)

  29. Shots all around!

    22. Comment by nutjob republicans — 10/7/2008 @ 1:19 pm

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  30. We are truely sunk….

    Nice comment there, Admiral Hazelwood…

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  31. At this point no one cares. The election the last three weeks is about one thing: the economy.

    McCain should not waste his time with the Ayers connection, the media will not give it play anyway.

    McCain needs to clearly explain Obama’s connection to Freddie and Fannie, his very, liberal record, and show how out of touch he is.

    McCain’s chances are now about one in five.

    Increase Mather (9a91f5)

  32. #22 looks like Readnek to me.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  33. Jack – JVW had 21 and I had 23. If it were The Price is Right, JVW would win for being the closest without going over. None of us got the secession part. I presume that is the talking point in where one compares a direct association of Baracky’s to a tangetial association of the Vice Presidential candidate’s spouse. Leaving aside the degress of difference, and lack of actual bombing and death on one side …

    JD (f7900a)

  34. Good call, Icy. The incessant linking and lack of original thought is a dead giveaway.

    JD (f7900a)

  35. @Dmac:

    Notice the moniker of deluded republican.

    Really, take off the freaking blinders and look around for a second. Did we even really choose John McCain, or did all the decent candidates screw up so badly, John McCain rose to the top, like a turd? Is this what any of us wanted at the start of this campaign, really?

    When our last resort, one month before the elections, is to start throwing dirt that we have already floated before….and honestly has been mostly debunked…we are in for a world of hurt.
    Add to that the fact that we are likely to lose anything even remotely resembling a majority in either the house or the senate, we are screwed.

    And all you idiots can sit around and do, is try to continue throwing the same GD dirt from earlier in the campaign, while the ship is taking on water. This is just stupid and, of course, Im the one who’s way off base….

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  36. Clean-up on aisle Moby …

    JD (f7900a)

  37. Re 23: You’re probably correct. However, I think that a lot of people would rate what happened at Kent State to be worse than what the Weathermen did. The latter were a small group of homicidal loonies. The National Guard unit was the… the National Guard. Soldiers shooting at their own people. When that happened in Russia in 1905, it spelled eventual doom for the Czar, despite all the anarchist and revolutionary bombings and assassinations that were a feature of Russian politics in the decades before the Bolshevik Revolution.
    DRJ (and Patterico)–just to let you know, I had to try a few times to get this page to load now. Kept getting “bad host” messages.

    kishnevi (6e41f7)

  38. When our last resort, one month before the elections, is to start throwing dirt that we have already floated before….and honestly has been mostly debunked…

    This one sentence contains so many half-truths and outright lies that it is breath-taking and awe-inspiring. Brava!

    JD (f7900a)

  39. 32. Remember to have your trolls spayed or neutered. Now onto Plinko and Barker’s Beauties.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  40. Don’t I at least get a consolation prize, like a year’s supply of Drain-O?

    JD (f7900a)

  41. @JD
    so correct me, champ.

    Do you REALLY think that throwing dirt at this point is going to win the election. Or do you think it might have the effect of pushing the uncommitted voters towards the Democratic ticket.

    And what Rev. Wright right around the corner, then they trot out Hagee and Parsley and where does that leave us exactly.

    Everyone has skeletons in the closet, and we all know John McCain has a few more in the closet as well. It might not be such a good idea to shine the light into some of those darker places as it may turn around and bite us back.

    All Im saying is that throwing dirt at this point is not going to get the job done, its not what the uncommitted voters want to hear about. They want to hear about the issues, and if we don’t give it to them, and Barack does, there is simply no way we can win this election.

    Call me whatever you want to, but I prefer realist

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  42. And please note that the one thing for which McCain was formally blamed at the end of the affair was a lack of judgment–and judgment is what McCain wants us to know he has and Obama doesn’t. So the Keating story goes right to the heart of that claim.

    McCain’s response could be that his judgement was that of a freshman Senator and he would not have considered running for president until he was more seasoned. It would be a good riposte if Obama were foolish enough to raise it in person.

    He won’t. He’ll use trolls like nutjob. Hickell was elected governor on the AIP ticket because he was blocked by Republicans from the nomination. The story is here.

    In 1990, an open primary nominated Alaska State Senator Arliss Sturgulewski as the Republican candidate for Governor of Alaska, facing the Mayor of Anchorage, Democrat Tony Knowles, in the general election. [2] Sturgulewski was criticized by many Republicans for her positions on issues such as abortion and capital punishment. Alaskan Independence Party chairman Joe Vogler seized on this discontent to offer the seats on the AIP ticket to Hickel and Jack Coghill, who had been nominated as the Republican candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Alaska. John Howard Lindauer and Jerry Ward, the previous AIP candidates, stepped aside, citing the illness of Lindauer’s wife [3], and Hickel and Coghill prevailed in the general election.
    Although he had common ground with the Alaska Independence Party in fighting restrictions on land use imposed by federal environmentalism, Hickel had been one of the most influential historical proponents of Alaska statehood and never endorsed the AIP’s secessionism, prompting some party faithful to petition for his recall. He rejoined the Republican Party in April 1994, near the tail end of his term.

    So much for the trolls allegations about Todd Palin. Hickel was governor when Prudhoe Bay oil was discovered and the AIP connection was useful in opposing federal domination of land use in Alaska.

    Mike K (d8deba)

  43. Deluded = another troll from Axelrod

    Mike K (d8deba)

  44. Re. #40 –

    Some of that dirt IS an issue, Re-Luded One! It constitutes substantive information regarding the direction that candidate wants to steer this country in; think: Carter II or McGovern redeemed.

    Obama is a Marxist. Equality, or the impression of equality, means everything to him; liberty receives lip-service. Pointing out his connections to people for whom that stance is out in the open is a legitimate enterprise to undertake.

    [Does anyone actually do Quaaludes anymore?]

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  45. deluded – You are a troll like any other. You will be treated with the mock and scorn you deserve.

    FWIW – When you compare Ayers and Wright to Hagee and Parsley you really give away your Moby bona fides.

    JD (f7900a)

  46. kishnevi : The milita or the National Guard as it came to be known in honor of Lafayette has fired on American citizens long before Kent State. One of the purposes of the National Guard is to put down violence. When a Governor calls out the National Guard to put down domestic violence that is too big for the state and local police to handle, intellegent people avoid the place where the violence is occurring. Stupid people or ignorant college students don’t believe that the Natiomnal Guard will shoot even though the National Guard has done so many times in the past. The “students” at Kent State were lied to by their professors and student activists. Add to that a really stupid National Guard General and the situation became bloody.

    longwalker (963843)

  47. Some of that dirt may be an issue, that’s not my point. My point is, the uncommitted want to hear about the economy, not mudslinging. They want to hear about issues that affect them every day, the gas prices, cost of heating fuel coming up for the winter. This focus on mudslinging is hurting not only JM, but our other brothers and sisters looking for seats in the house an senate. And we are being made out to be out-of-touch, and you people show that, well hell, we really are out of touch….and it is going to cost us dearly.

    Keep your eye on the man behind the curtain, not the bouncing ball. We are hoping America is going to watch the bouncing ball, but America just got stabbed by the bogey man behind the curtain. They are a bit leary of him and are not likely to take their eyes off him, even for the pretty colored bouncing balls…..

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  48. I thought quaaludes went out around the last time Starland Vocal Band had a hit.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  49. . When our last resort, one month before the elections, is to start throwing dirt that we have already floated before….and honestly has been mostly debunked…

    This one sentence contains so many half-truths and outright lies that it is breath-taking and awe-inspiring. Brava!

    Comment by JD — 10/7/2008 @ 1:54 pm

    And mixed metaphors! Bravissimo!

    I’m sorry I missed the pool, but notice that Axelrod’s cabana boy Deluded “Republican” snuck in an “Im” for an I’m at 2:02 pm. His writing style is familiar…

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  50. Kishnevi – Substitute Eric Rudoph for the Kent State National Guard and would you still have the same opinion?

    JD (f7900a)

  51. Because National Review is going on and on about terrorism, this might be a good occasion to revisit that magazine’s own relationship with political violence. I’ve written on this subject before but the current situation makes it interesting to recall these facts:

    1. On September 15, 1963 a bomb went off at the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, killing 4 black girls and injuring many more children. (Those killed were Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson, Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair; McNair had been a classmate of the young Condoleezza Rice). The bomb was set by members of the Klu Klux Klan, as part of a wave of terror designed to intimidate the civil rights movement. Here is how National Review commented on the bombing in the October 1, 1963 issue of their biweekly Bulletin: “The fiend who set off the bomb does not have the sympathy of the white population in the South; in fact, he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur – of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro. Some circumstantial evidence lends a hint of plausibility to that notion, especially the ten-minute fuse (surely a white man walking away form the church basement ten minutes earlier would have been noticed?). And let it be said that the convulsions that go on, and are bound to continue, have resulted from revolutionary assaults on the status quo, and a contempt for the law, which are traceable to the Supreme Court’s manifest contempt for the settled traditions of Constitutional practice.”

    nutjob republicans (bec964)

  52. Sol Stern has a few things to say about Ayres and education.

    Deluded, the LA Times and NY Times are trying very hard to keep people from hearing what McCain has to say about the economy.

    Mike K (d8deba)

  53. Nutjob Republican – They should have just noted that the people who did it were Democrats.

    Grand Kleage Byrd could not be reached for comment …

    JD (f7900a)

  54. “I’ve written on this subject before”
    I’m sure the newsletter is well distributed.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  55. @JD
    Im not comparing Wright to Hagee and Parsley, but they sure as hell will, and what happens, it turns into just another distraction….for both sides. Distractions are not what we need. We need focus and a plan, neither of which seems to be very high on anyones list posting here.

    So…

    Call me a troll, ridicule me, whatever makes you feel superior, but mark my words, when all is said and done, if they do not immediately change the focus of this campaign, its going to hurt not us not only at the Presidential level, but it is going to cascade through the house and the senate as well.

    We need to distance ourselves from the mudslining attacks and the current administration. We need to make people see that the current economy can be revived and we need to show them we have a plan to do it. We need to focus on the uncommitteds, everyone and everything else is incidental at this point. The conservative base is already fired up, while keep it going is important, it is the current uncommitteds that need to be focused on. If they haven’t bought into the mud and made a decision by now, more mud is not likely to make a difference.

    People wake up!

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  56. @Mike K
    Really, two media outlets are keeping the entire McCain enconomy plan from reaching the general public, really?

    @Carlitos
    What an incredibly astute observation, someone left out an apostrophe, it must be a conspiracy….

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  57. Geez, what happened to the thread topic here?

    Remember Tony Blakeley from Sept 24?

    But worse than all the unfair and distorted reporting and image projecting, is the shocking gaps in Mr. Obama’s life that are not reported at all. The major media simply has not reported on Mr. Obama’s two years at Columbia University in New York, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers— after which they both ended up as neighbors and associates in Chicago. Mr. Obama denies more than a passing relationship with Mr. Ayers. Should the media be curious? In only two weeks the media has focused on all the colleges Mrs. Palin has attended, her husband’s driving habits 20 years ago and the close criticism of Mrs. Palin’s mayoral political opponents. But in two years they haven’t bothered to see how close Mr. Obama was with the terrorist Ayers.

    Or, Tom Maguire, pointing out that Obama was Director of the Developing Communities Project from 1985 to 1988 which was a member of the ABCs Coalition coordinated by William Ayers.

    jeff (8c850e)

  58. McCain should hit Obama up one side and down the other on Bill Ayres, Saul Alinsky, Reverend Wright, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Tony Rezko, and Raila Odinga.

    Take note of which guilty association elicits the loudest squeals and focus the bright light of inquiry on Obama’s sorry rear end. Then McCain should step back and let Super Sarah denounce Obama’s lies and deceptions. She’ll slice him and dice him and then serve him up for the hounds of hell to pick his bones.

    Presto, once again we’ll have Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  59. Are my comments being blocked?

    jeff (8c850e)

  60. JD @ 49
    Yes, I think the MSM would make a scream if it were Rudolph or someone similar. But again there are factors not present in the case of Ayers. For one thing, it’s much more recent, and abortion is still a very active issue.
    Also, anti-abortion violence gets condemned enough by the pro life movement that any politician would did get involved with such a person would probably be fringey enough himself to have never made it to this stage, anyway. (Which is a point in the GOP’s favor, of course.)

    kishnevi (7b38bb)

  61. Are some comments reviewed? Previous comment not showing up but the system says it has already been submitted.

    More reality on Bill Ayers promoting “social justice” in the classroom from Sol Stein. (h/t Powerline)

    jeff (8c850e)

  62. Deluded “Repub” is obviously a new Daily Kos metaphor-creation tool. He plugged in “heating fuel” and “Hagee” and the machine surrounded those words with:

    – Bogeyman behind the curtain
    – Last resort
    – Pretty-colored bouncing balls
    – Throwing dirt
    – Skeletons in the closed
    – Uncommitted voters are leary.

    It’s awesome, as is the reference to Senator Obama as only “Barack” and the four-period elipses “….” I am googling, but I can’t find the owner of this impressive distinctive writing style.

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  63. I’ve written on this subject before

    You can even look it up, as long as you can get access to his pillow – he keeps his secret diary there most days. But don’t tell his mom!

    Distractions are not what we need. We need focus and a plan, neither of which seems to be very high on anyones list posting here.

    IOW, Moby thinks that McCain should immediately bow down before The Messiah, and accept his inevitable defeat. Awesome advice, particularly if you’re Astrotrufing for Axelrod.

    Tell us, what are they paying you these days for this Spam – a – lot attack? Are the benis better than Starbuck’s?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  64. voters are leary.

    I think he means that the voters are actually Timothy Leary, the deceased 1960’s advocate for LSD.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  65. My strikethrough isn’t working.

    Deluded “Repub” – it’s not a conspiracy, it’s just that you are commenting on a thread wherein a pool contest tried to guess the first missed apostrophe in “your” – you are as close to a winner as we have so far.

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  66. My posts above are much funner with the strikethrough enabled.

    Deluded one, “Republicans” don’t refer to Senator Obama as “Barack” – just a tip for your next right-wing comment thread.

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  67. strikethrough strike through

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  68. JD (#32, 1:49 pm), we don’t have to play Price Is Right rules, but I should get an extra point for guessing it would be a (more likely than not) old poster under a new name. I should have gone for the quinella by claiming he or she would also claim to be a Republican.

    JVW (f93297)

  69. deluded is deluded. Distractions, indeed. Heh.

    JD (f7900a)

  70. LOL, too funny, now I’m(whew, remembered the apostrophe) an operative. And I’m afraid you won’t find my writing style, I’m not a commmenter, nor an operative. I’m a pissed-off Republican looking at what our party has become….zealots and bigots.

    I notice no one took the time to refute my message about how McCain ended up our candidate. I wish I could open a poll and ask each of you whom you supported at the start of the campaign and how many of you were truely McCain fans beforehand or just a bunch of “converts”…..

    Let’s not talk about the fundamental problems within our party…no let’s point fingers, let’s scream MSM bias, anything but address the real issues.

    anyone, crickets?

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  71. I was for Romney, because I figured running a business and dealing with financial disciplines like, uh, capital and investments might be important this election cycle. What did I know.

    Between McCain and Obama, it’s no contest. If you want to stay home and be “pissed off” at “zealots and bigots” – go right ahead. Good thing that the cult of Obama hasn’t engendered its share of zealots or bigots, right? 🙂

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  72. Please bring up the Keating 4 (since McCain was thoroughly exonerated) as that was the launching point for his lifelong passion to clean up the corruption in government. What has Obama ever attempted to clean up (except off shore campaign contributions)? He supported and thrived on Chicago corruption, put his name on an ethics bill as chief sponsor did not draft or originally sponsor, as a springboard for higher office. He touted his CAC experience in his failed Congressional race against marxist Rep Rush. He is so dense that he can hang around anti american domestic terrorists, terror apologists and marxists and demagogues and not hear a single thing they said; yet he then thinks he can go into meetings with foreign enemies of the US and completely understand them (immediately) and come to agreements to end the state of hostilities. He has to think we are idiots (well at least most of his democrap voters are) to hear him lying and shucking and jiving about his inner circle. If there was nothing wrong with his inner circle of twenty two years he would be celebrating them, but he didn’t have the judgment to stay away from these monsters when it suited his twisted ambitions.

    eaglewingz08 (98291e)

  73. @Caritos, sorry I couldn’t see through the rest of the slime, my apologies….

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  74. @Carlitos,
    I never said the other side wasn’t full of bigots or zealots(I add racists as well, but Im afraid that applies to both sides as well).

    And you are very correct in that there really is no choice between McCain and Obama, but I tell you what, I live in a perennial red state that is really starting to feel blue(NC) and it scares the hell out of me!

    But hey, let’s just scream and shout and hope no one notices that we have no f’ing plan beyond getting elected….its shameful.

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  75. Oh and before you guys start getting worked up, I DO REALIZE that there is a plan, and it’s even spelled out on the web. However, if we don’t get it out to the uncommitteds and show them how they need to compare and contrast this against Obamas(Barack, BO, whatever) plan. Then what good does it do us. If he doesn’t elucidate this to the masses, its as useless brakes on a park bench!

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  76. its! 😉

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  77. @Carlitos,
    it’s!

    muhahah

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  78. Jeff — 10/7/2008 @ 2:56 pm:

    I found your missing comment in the spam filter and it’s now #57. At this point, I think of the server as an unpredictable relative. Who knows when it will show up or what it will do?

    DRJ (c953ab)

  79. (Tried to post this hours ago, couldn’t get through).
    I know there are others who agree with kishnevi’s tactical view.

    What does it say if the majority of Americans don’t care that a presidential nominee has had a long and formative association with an unrepentant domestic terrorist?

    As heard earlier today, “How are Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden alike? They both know people who tried to blow up the Pentagon”.

    While that is too inflammatory to get a good reception, it’s true. Truth is stranger than fiction.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  80. MD,

    I think it’s years and years of politically correct education that taught students tolerance as the most important virtue.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  81. I’m a pissed-off Republican looking at what our party has become….zealots and bigots.

    Riiiight – and you just realized this, all of a sudden! So now that you’ve discovered the deep, dark secret of the lords of the underworld, you feel…somehow dirty. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    I notice no one took the time to refute my message about how McCain ended up our candidate.

    You mean this brilliant and insightful statement?:

    John McCain rose to the top, like a turd

    How is one supposed to “refute” that feat of witty repartee, I ask you?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  82. Some of that dirt may be an issue, that’s not my point. My point is, the uncommitted want to hear about the economy, not mudslinging. They want to hear about issues that affect them every day, the gas prices, cost of heating fuel coming up for the winter. This focus on mudslinging is hurting not only JM, but our other brothers and sisters looking for seats in the house an senate. And we are being made out to be out-of-touch, and you people show that, well hell, we really are out of touch….and it is going to cost us dearly.

    Obama is sliding in the polls. Granted, he is still ahead in most but now narrowing down within the margin of error and most of these polls are heavily weighted in favor of Dems. If you look at the internals, McCain has pulled even on the economy, leads by single digits on leadership and overwhelmingly is a favorite in national security. Keep in mind that this time (four weeks out) in 2004 Bush was behind by 8 points.

    I think the Obama camp is very worried about what their internal polling shows. I think that they have to be up at least by 8 points (bradley effect) to win and I believe they know it. They are definitely concerned about the Ayers, Wright, etc. connections. Sarah can continue to hammer this, she gets wonderful national coverage on her stump speeches, and McCain can cover on the economy/national security (now with the global meltdown, they are one in the same), and he can continue to attach Obama to Dodd, Franks, Fannie, Freddie, ACORN, Raines, Johnson, etc. as it relates to the current fiscal crisis.

    rls (14b9d3)

  83. For info on these polls, I visited Wizbang (D J Drummond) and A J Strata at the Stratosphere. Excellent poll analysis by both.

    rls (14b9d3)

  84. If this country lets McCain pivot away from a very needed discussion about the economy, to travel back in time to discuss a 60’s radical then shame on us. I’m in my early sixties and I barely remember anything about Bill Ayers. I do know he didn’t cause this current recession. He didn;’t go on a lavish trip (with spas, champagne, etc.) after his company (AIG) was bailed out of their financial difficulties by the taxpayers. If we take our eyes off the real problems confronting us in this 21st century we probably deserve most of what we get.

    Ponderonit (6afa35)

  85. “My point is, the uncommitted want to hear about the economy, not mudslinging.”

    Since Denuded is obviously committed, I don’t understand how he professes to know what uncommitted voters want to hear about. Maybe the Messiah spoke to him in his sleep, through his teeth, or he’s another one of those progressive mind reader types that keep showing up here.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  86. @DMac:
    I don’t like McCain, never have, never will. I will vote for him as the lesser of two evils, but I will not sing his praises.

    Come on folks, here we are rallying behind someone who graduated what 855th out of 859. Those are not impressive numbers. How much money has John McCain cost us? How many planes did he crash, I never crashed one and flew for much longer than John McCain did. I think John McCain is a disgrace. He has flip-flopped like a fish out of water. He has changed deeply held views, that were supposedly close to his heart, all to become the president.

    Right now, he’s waging a campaign that he absolutely hates, he said as much in 2000, but now he has surrounded himself with the same people that ravaged him in 2000…all to win an election. One who would compromise his ideas, is not high on my list.

    In my book, John McCain is a turd, and possibly the worst possible choice that we had to start with….

    Ooops, did I say that out loud…..It may not be brilliant or insightful, but its how I feel, like it or not

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  87. I don’t like McCain, never have, never will. I will vote for him as the lesser of two evils, but I will not sing his praises.

    I’ll never choose one evil over the other (the lesser of two evils). I’ll never forgive McCain for the campaign finance reform (McCain-Feingold) and Bush for signing that piece of crap into law. That being said when faced with the choice of a marxist/communist, blank page, empty suit and McCain, I’m going to vote for McCain>

    You see, I can never vote for the “Evil of two lesserss”

    rls (14b9d3)

  88. DRJ, thank you for rescuing that comment.

    Mike K, I missed you had Sol Stein already.

    Off topic, Stanley Kurtz at NR on the “community organizers” at ACORN and Obama’s assistance in their agitating in the mortgage business. (h/t michelle)

    jeff (8c850e)

  89. #82 I think Palin and McCain should be careful about throwing stones. Enquiring minds also want to know about…
    1)Sarah Palin and Troopergate
    2)Todd Palin’s membership in a group who wants
    Alaska to secede from the United States.
    3)Sarah Palin’s Witch Doctor Pastor
    4)John McCain and his gambling connections.
    5)More about the Keating 5
    6)John McCain sitting on the board of the
    U.S. Council for World Freedom – a one time
    anti-defamation group

    Ponderonit (6afa35)

  90. DeludedRepub,

    I’m a believer in the value of education and working hard to earn good grades, but it isn’t the be all and end all. I think we all know valedictorians who have poor judgment and who accomplished little in their lives, as well as lower-ranking students who went on to superb careers and lives.

    As for military academies, I know several young men who attended West Point and the Naval Academy. They were each at the top of their class academically and of exemplary character and physical fitness. In my opinion, admission to a military academy is an impressive accomplishment all by itself.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  91. “I notice no one took the time to refute my message about how McCain ended up our candidate.”

    As a guy who has been disgusted with the GOP since about 1994 when the Newtster began flapping his jaws it is my firm opinion that McCain was the GOP’s best shot. I thought it was a good choice.

    Only after he won the nomination did he fall out of favor with me. Specifically when he started trying to appeal to the nutjobs.

    And the Palin thing blows my mind. I guess he thought she gave him the best chance to win and put his election ahead of the country.

    There is no way in hell she is the best to step in should anything happen to McCain. And if she is it is a tragic state of affairs for the GOP.

    jharp (2282bb)

  92. Ponderonit, that’s pretty hilarious. Your list is of nothing but long debunked Democratic smear campaigns devoid of any substance.

    Meanwhile, the Democratic party nominated for the office of President a man who is the political protege of a Weather Underground terrorist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  93. @DRJ
    Really, you don’t think a might bit of neopotism might have gotten him into the Academy? Come on now, both his father and grandfather were 4 Star Admirals, you don’t think that might have helped, not at all? I was actually accepted to the Air Force Academy, sponsored by John Warner(Va), but was unable to attend, due to a number of issues. So I know all about Military Academies, and again, John McCain’s record, in this aspect, does not impress me.

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  94. Let’s not talk about the fundamental problems within our party

    Deluded, I can’t do that because I don’t know what your party is.

    As for your other remark, I could list all the newspapers that DIDN’T carry any of McCain’s economics speech but those two are the ones we most talk about here.

    I’m sorry but you still have Axelrod troll written all over you. I should also warn you that Patrick is pretty good at tracking the origin of comments so, if you are posting these from Obama headquarters in North Carolina, be warned.

    Mike K (d8deba)

  95. DeludedRepub,

    I take it you think you got in on merit but you’re convinced military brats like John McCain didn’t. With that attitude, it’s probably a good thing you decided not to attend.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  96. Deluded,

    That goes double for Northern Virginia.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  97. I’m in my early sixties and I barely remember anything about Bill Ayers.

    I’m 47, and I’ve known about Ayers and his ilk for decades now. So I’m sorry to tell you this, but you’re an ignorant doofus.

    How many planes did he crash, I never crashed one and flew for much longer than John McCain did. I think John McCain is a disgrace.

    Yeah, sure you did – this is absolutely retarded and unhinged, and you’ve now been confirmed as just another Troll. You’ve been outed, accept your humiliation from now on.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  98. When someone starts talking about how many aircraft McCain supposedly crashed, you know that it is a characterless troll.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  99. You only have to jibe with them for a few posts, then the real a–hole eventually reveals itself for all to see.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  100. Track me all you please, it will come back to a nice little cable modem on nc.rr.com. These views are mine and mine alone, and I would be happy to scan in my Voter Registration Card to show you my Republican Pedigree.

    As for me beliving John McCain is a “military brat” that did not get in on his merits, you are pretty much spot on. That is exactly what I believe. As for his record at Annapolis, it is pretty well know that he was almost expelled for aquiring too many demerits, but mommy stepped in and saved his grits, so to say. Basically, without his bloodline, not only would he have no likley gotten in, he certainly never would have graduated.

    Again, we know about John McCain’s skeletons, at least those of us with open eyes. All I have been saying all along is that “Men in glass houses, should not throw stones”.

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  101. Catching up….
    Kishnevi… One thing we forget about the shootings at Kent State, they were never repeated for there were no large-scale student demonstrations of that type afterward, just as in the 1965 L.A. riots which ended when the NG unstitiched a Buick with a .50-caliber machine-gun trying to run a roadblock. Even brain-dead, liberal-arts students can learn, I guess?

    #46 longwalker…Thanks for the follow-up.

    #48 Icy….Hey, Man. ‘Ludes are always cool!

    AOracle (d30543)

  102. @SPQR:
    How many planes John McCain “supposedly” crashed:

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm

    and he talks about several of them in his book “Faith of my Fathers”.

    You have read his book haven’t you, or would that be too much to ask?

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  103. So what if Barack Obama and Bill Ayers lived in the same neighborhood and worked together to benefit students? If that’s all the Republicans have against Obama, then I think he’s good to go as the next U.S. president. I would hate to be responosible for everybody who lived in my neighborhood or was hired at my place of employment. What about the students at the University of Illinois, are they considered to have terrorist affiliations, too, by allowing Ayers to teach them? This is pure B.S. At least Barack Obama didn’t cause over 20,000 elderly people to lose their life savings, such as the Keating Five, which John McCain was one of the five.

    Missy in Kentucky (48c97a)

  104. Now that CNN is beginning to report on Ayers, WHEN will they put it up front—page 1? With the same vim and vigor for the ‘truth’ that they so easily demand whenever some conservative is involved?

    Lee (30fae5)

  105. and I do realize I will take a beating for the domain in the link above, but at this point, I really don’t give a shit…it was the first link I got from google, and it was Vietnam veterans, so I said, what the hell….

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  106. Comment by DeludedRepub — 10/7/2008 @ 5:33 pm

    Wow! This is a major breakthrough. A troll has actually gotten something right (almost).
    Yes, John McCain’s academic performance at Annapolis was less than stellar – he graduated fifth from the bottom of his class. It wasn’t that he didn’t study, it was just that he really liked his extra-curricular activities that really loaded up the demerits. But, on the bright side, he got to practive his marching and Manual of Arms quite a bit.
    And, of course the fact that his Grandfather was an Admiral, and his Father too, did not hurt his chances for entry, or continuance.
    One positive point though, he wasn’t thrown out like his good Senatorial friend Ted Kennedy – caught cheating at Harvard, transferred to VA.

    AOracle (d30543)

  107. Again, we know about John McCain’s skeletons, at least those of us with open eyes. All I have been saying all along is that “Men in glass houses, should not throw stones”.

    No, what you are really saying is “We know about John McCain’s skeletons, at least those of us with open eyes, so we should therefore work doubly hard against any attempt to bring into play Obama’s skeletons.” After all, what fun is it when the media covers both candidates with an honest attempt to overcome their own ideological biases?

    JVW (f93297)

  108. When the American Issues Project (AIP) released an ad co0nnecting Obama to Ayers, the Obama campaign reacted by demanding that the Justice Department prosecute one Harold Simmons, whom they claimed donated to AIP.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  109. DeludedMoby,

    Yep, as characterless as I’d expect you to be.

    Michael, Obama’s primary campaign tactic is thuggery.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  110. “How many planes did he crash, I never crashed one and flew for much longer than John McCain did.”

    Radio controlled?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  111. One positive point though, he wasn’t thrown out like his good Senatorial friend Ted Kennedy – caught cheating at Harvard, transferred to VA.

    Minor quibble, AOracle: Kennedy was tossed out of Harvard as an undergraduate for cheating, and impulsively enlisted in the armed forces. He did a brief stint there (his Senate bio says 1951-53, but I can’t tell if that means 13 months or 35 months) then was allowed to return to Harvard. My understanding of this is that it was very unusual for Harvard to re-admit someone expelled for cheating in those days, and that it was certainly pressure from the Kennedy family that got him back in.

    He went to U. VA for law school, unlike his two older brothers who went to Harvard. Again, rumors are that his re-admittance to Harvard was conditional upon Teddy not applying to Harvard Law, but the official reason is that he wanted to be closer to D.C. where JFK was a Senator and RFK was a Senate aide.

    I only mention it because it shows how venal Harvard can be in caving in to a powerful alum.

    JVW (f93297)

  112. Not just an association with Ayers, but also Obama sits in Wright’s pew for 20 years, gets married by the guy, then when he runs for the oval office, he suddenly does a condemnation of him—-curious—-does this not say something about character, to be able sit and listen for all those years the daily crescendo of hate and bile, and yes, even taking the lords name in vain in the process—in a church? Obama supporters need to wake up and smell what they’re supporting.

    Lee (30fae5)

  113. @JVW
    I’m not sure how you missed it, but my point is, those that are not already on the ideological train, those, what do we call them, oh yeah, uncommitted voters, are not going to be impressed with ideological differences at this point. They want to hear about the issues, and if we do not give it to them, someone else will….

    is that plainly stated enough to get through your ideological colored glasses?

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  114. and…
    Would one of those planes that John McCain crashed happen to include the one that blew-up underneath him while on the deck of a carrier awaiting take-off? The one completely engulfed in fire that he climbed out of the cockpit of, walked forward on the nose of the fuselage, and jumped down onto the flight-deck as complete chaos erupted around him?
    Just asking.
    Itiot!

    AOracle (d30543)

  115. @daleyrocks:
    No mostly private corporate jets, but I do appreciate your inquiry. Looking for a good pilot? I still have my license.

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  116. Longevity in the air…
    It does help to build up cockpit time if you can get the Flight Surgeon to stamp your ticket. Something that didn’t happen for John McCain due to the extent of his injuries from being a POW – he couldn’t fly anymore because he couldn’t pass the physical.
    So, all things being equal, if I got my license today, I could probably rack-up more hours in the air than Sen. McCain has, and my actuarial tables say I’ve got 20 +/- yrs to do it in.
    Therefore, I don’t find your claim to having more hours in the air anything other than whitewash.

    AOracle (d30543)

  117. I’m not sure how you missed it, but my point is, those that are not already on the ideological train, those, what do we call them, oh yeah, uncommitted voters, are not going to be impressed with ideological differences at this point. They want to hear about the issues, and if we do not give it to them, someone else will….

    Deluded, you would make one lousy campaign manager. Here your side (and yeah, I think you are a Dem operative posing as a Republican) works for years establishing the idea that Dems lose elections because they fail to respond to attacks on their character, then you turn around and try to say that the last thing John McCain should do is respond to attacks on his character (you already admitted that “McCains skeletons are out in the open” so don’t try to change your mind on that now). Is it any wonder so many of us find your comments rather puzzling?

    JVW (f93297)

  118. @AOracle:
    In that article, yes, but I would not include that in the list per se. I mean hell, he was shot by friendly fire while sitting on the deck.

    No, Im talking about dropping one in the drink in Corpus Christi and another coming back from the Army Navy game. There was another incident in which he took out power to a small town because he was flying too low. His military record is not nearly as stellar as they would have you believe.

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  119. This is pure B.S.

    Sure is, Missy – and you’re shoveling it as fast as you can.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  120. it was the first link I got from google, and it was Vietnam veterans, so I said, what the hell….

    Of course you did, sweetheart – now run along, we’ve heard all of your talking points for today.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  121. you folks are truely amazing, there are none so blind as those that will not see

    DeludedRepub (a4439a)

  122. #107 AOracle:

    But, on the bright side,

    when the chips were down, he did the Navy proud. Something that we send young men and women to the service academies for: to produce leaders of strength, courage, and character.

    Something that Mobys, by definition, lack.

    #88 rls:

    You see, I can never vote for the “Evil of two lesserss”

    I like it.

    EW1(SG) (5ebabd)

  123. truely!, we are 😉
    This seems like the perfect month for all true Republicans to wring their hands in print and mope about how miserable “our” candidate McCain is. I mean, when else? Certainly not the primaries or in the off-year elections. Why, it’s almost as if some of these hand-wringers are not Republicans. It’s almost like they are trying to help the republican lose. Nah.

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  124. Nothing is more important than checking whether Obama will work for the United States or for our enemies. His life-long association with people who hate America is truly scary.

    As someone born in Ecuador with friends and relatives in Latin America, I’m terrified watching how people in the United States are being manipulated just like people in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador to put a Marxist in power.

    Ecuadorians were fooled into believing that the young and charismatic candidate with no experience would bring CHANGE and help the poor.

    When they discovered they had made a mistake, it was too late.

    Antonio Sosa (a1292c)

  125. DeludedMoby is still around?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  126. Here’s the best response to this manufactured controversy over Ayers: So??

    In other words, what difference does it make? No one has explained this. A man who did something in the 1960s when a lot of people did a lot of strange things, who is now a professor and works on charity boards has worked with Obama on charity projects. And why are we supposed to be concerned about this?

    Or is the McCain ticket suggesting that they are meeting together to plot 60’s style protest acts. If that’s what they’re suggesting then they’re more out of touch with reality than I had originally thought.

    Here’s the best word for all of this: pathetic.

    jbrinkmeyer (b59496)

  127. man who did something in the 1960s when a lot of people did a lot of strange things,

    You say did some things, I say bombed innocent Americans and destroyed property. But to the Leftist like you, a little domestic terrorism is apparently not a bad thing.

    JD (f7900a)

  128. #128 Right

    Lemme see.

    so back in the 1930’s people did all kinds of crazy things, so that would make the stuff they did back then OK?

    Please define charity for me and please compare charity to non profit

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  129. JD – Lefties can rationalize anything. They’re worse than drunks.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  130. jbrinkmeyer, wow, that’s the most dishonest rationalization I’ve seen yet. What is pathetic is how you redefine violent terrorists as “doing strange things”.

    You are despicable.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  131. So if people in financial circles did some strange things in 2008, but lots of other people were also doing strange things, then everyone is OK?
    Alrighty then.

    How’s this:

    “OK, so I shot the guy because I wanted his money… people get shot every day over money. MFer gives me his money maybe he doesn’t get shot, That makes me a philanthropist”

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  132. Because in the end, Bill Ayers is a giver …

    JD (f7900a)

  133. Can you imagine that were this about Sen. McCain, or any Republican for that matter, and you changed the name from Bill Ayers to Eric Rudolph, the incessant bleating from the Left and the media?

    JD (f7900a)

  134. JD, they bleated incessantly over McCain getting the endorsement of a preacher. Now that its established that Bill Ayers was Obama’s political mentor, we get nothing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  135. C’mon, SEK was telling us just night last that the language of the 1960s didn’t tranlate well into today even though the fucker wasn’t alive during the 1960s. I liked that part.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  136. JD, I know you’re kidding, but Ayers is a taker. 😉 Givers with other people’s money are the worst kind.

    The reason that Ayers won’t get traction is that people don’t even question that he “tried to help schools” or “did charity” work or whatever. The fact that they spent $120 million on social indoctrination and not education, and didn’t move the needle, the fact that Barack Obama’s only executive experience was a failure, never seems to come up.

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  137. Just remember that Obama’s mom was a radical fucker, so people like Ayers are the type of people Obama was used to hanging around with.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  138. jbrinkmeyer, Obama’s friends Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn should have been indicted and prosecuted for murder. Ayers was part of a communist movement, with controllers in such places as Hanoi and Havana, that resulted in a communist takeover of South Vietnam and the ultimate sacrifice of the lives of more than 58,000 American soldiers in vain. Obama’s best friends and also his wife hate America. How do we know that he’s going to work for America and not for America’s enemies? If Obama does not share Ayer’s, Dohrn’s, Pfleger’s, Wright’s hate for America, why did he choose all of them as mentors and friends? If he hates America and becomes president, he will be working for our enemies.

    Antonio Sosa (a1292c)

  139. These are the same people who believe Obama is a Muslim… conspiracy theorists have no proof. They’re still trying to solve the JFK assasination. Morons, get a life.
    Why does the GOP Swiftboat attempts have to stick, but Palin gets a free ride on ignoring Troopergate, her daughter’s pregnancy issues, her over 40 birth of a mentally handicap child, and her blatant disregard for an official subpeona for nefarious tactics as a political leader in high office. It’s somehow off limits for her, but nooooo… Obama has to answer to all of these conspiracy theorists who have no solid proof, but wish him to answer to these fallacious charges. Unbelievable.

    Daniel (d3cdfb)

  140. “her over 40 birth of a mentally handicap child”
    This is something that you think Palin has to “answer for” and you’re calling people “morons?” You’re a classless douchebag of the lowest order, you sniveling little cretin.

    Future Reservist Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  141. #131 daleyrocks:

    They’re worse than drunks.

    Hell, they’re enablers!

    At least I can understand what motivates a drunk…

    Why does the GOP Swiftboat attempts have to stick,

    In the same way that J F’in Kerry is a cowardly backstabbing liar who was called on his lies by people who knew him back when, the attempt to make mountains out of molehills in Governor Sarah Palin’s life is typical of the mainstream Democratic Party today: Y’all are so out of touch with real people that you don’t recognize somebody willing to deal with life on life’s terms as opposed to someone like Barack Obama, who is so out of touch with the real world that he doesn’t understand that hanging out with people who want to destroy the United States is not a good bullet point on your resumé when running for high public office.

    EW1(SG) (5ebabd)

  142. “They’re worse than drunks.”
    Is there a twelve-step program for leftists? Can they admit they are powerless over their desire to trash the belief that individuals are ultimately responsible for their own well-being?

    Future Reservist Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  143. Hey JVW…
    Sean Hannity has been reporting on this for the past year or so. Who needs Hillary? Hannity reported on Black Liberation Theologist Pastor Jeremiah Wright, one year before that came out. Isn’t it shameful that the Left-wing media (NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc.) are all drinking the Obama Kool Aid? Obama said he couldn’t denounce his “uncle” Jeremiah, it would be like denouncing the Black race. He said that he did not know the American terrorist B. Ayers, when Ayers hired him to indoctrinate school children with their left-wing ideology and hate. What happened to “Uncle” Jeremiah? O’ threw him under the bus for political expediency. I guess he’s now “denounced the Black race.” How come NO ONE can get copies or has access to Obama’s Doctorate Thesis? What did he write back then that the American public should not read? Liar, liar, pants on fire!

    Midnightrider (fdb0a1)

  144. Hey 141. The proof has come out in the form of written documents. He can lie but he cannot hide!

    People like yourself, maybe mean well, but tend to believe what you want to regardless of what the facts are. The media has been hiding this forever. Thanks Sean Hannnity, George Stephanopolos, and Sarah Palin, for telling the American people the truth about Obama’s left-wing, radical/socialist connections and beliefs.

    American…You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free…from tyranny, big government, higher taxes to pay for more welfare handouts, and a two-faced wanna-be President.

    Midnightrider (fdb0a1)

  145. Comment by DeludedRepub — 10/7/2008 @ 6:07 pm

    I’m just going to say this, then drop out of the “McCain is a lousy sailor” fight:

    This is starting to remind me of all of the negatives that were put forth re GWB’s flying with the TANG.
    For those that don’t realize it, and “DR” I include you in that since your only time is in civilian aircraft, flying military jets is a dangerous job. Jets of that era (50’s & 60’s) were not reliable. They crashed all the time – my fault, your fault, nobody’s fault! And, yes, Navy pilots had a certain rep about their flying. They especially liked to fly under bridges and power-lines, because that is what they were expected to do under fire, and you got to practice sometime.
    Any man who can strap himself into a military jet (which is NOT certified as airworthy by the FAA), that has quite a few less of the back-up systems found in civilian aircraft, then launch himself off the heaving deck of an aircraft carrier, in the dead of night, during a driving squall, and come back to that carrier, in that dead of night and driving rain, and land his sometimes damaged plane on a heaving, un-lit deck, is OK by me!

    AOracle (d30543)

  146. Comment by Future Reservist Jack Klompus — 10/7/2008 @ 8:49 pm

    Jack, I am outraged in your unfair comparison to cretins.
    I denounce you!

    AOracle (d30543)

  147. “These are the same people who believe Obama is a Muslim”

    Daniel – Link?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  148. Fox just replayed Obama saying that McCain suggest he is “green behind the ears.” If a Republican said something that dumb….

    Daniel, you are an asshole. Please take your pill and go to bed.

    carlitos (7921f6)

  149. suggests.

    carlitos (7921f6)

  150. Just noticed this – Obama’s spokesperson admits that Obama served on the CAC board with Ayers after he knew about his terrorist acts. link

    Remember, Obama and Ayers were seeking to “raise the consciousness and radicalize” students and spent $120 million towards that end, funding outfits like ACORN to do so. Shameless.

    carlitos (7921f6)

  151. I would like to hear another angle on the Ayers debate because I do think it’s relevant. Bill Ayers became an education professor after his stint as a domestic terrorist, and from what I understand, he has some pretty extreme ideas on education, leaning toward the radical multicultural side of things with some ugly goals, so my question is this: will Ayers find a place in an Obama administration, maybe as say Education Secretary? Ayers reportedly has huge clout in the field of education and with the Chicago machinery, so it’s valid to ask if Obama would tap him for a top post related to education. In that case, his terrorist past would certainly need to be considered.

    MMS (b3b350)

  152. Get a clue, MORON!!! Nobody fucking cares.

    Monk (6e4ac1)

  153. Get a clue, MORON!!! Nobody fucking cares.

    Comment by Monk — 10/8/2008 @ 5:39 am

    Well there you have it. An OCD detective from USA Network has declared this issue to be dead.

    JD (f7900a)

  154. Well there you have it. An OCD detective from USA Network has declared this issue to be dead.

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 5:44 am

    LOL

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  155. Whenever the Obama team declares an issue “dead” or a “non issue” I know it’s touching a nerve.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  156. What? No love for Larry Johnson’s No Quarter tying Barky directly to the Democratic Socialists of America?

    rhodeymark (1aaf2a)

  157. Documents Uncovered by Judicial Watch Shed Light on Barack and Michelle Obama’s Chicago Connections (From the University of Chicago)
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    Obama served as Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge, a school program designed by William Ayers, a known domestic terrorist, for eight years (1995-2002). The documents include a fundraising letter signed by Obama requesting a $22,500 grant noting, “we [meaning the Annenberg Challenge] are launched.” Ayers is reported to have been the power running this group and Obama needs to better explain his contacts with him.

    Documents showing Barack Obama supported a housing development project known as Cottage View Terrace, which yielded $900,000 in developers’ fees for convicted felon Antoin “Tony” Rezko and Obama’s employer, lawyer Allison Davis. Rezko, who was involved in Obama’s home purchase, was recently convicted on 16 counts of fraud and money laundering, has personally donated at least $21,000 to Obama’s campaigns, and raised over two hundred thousand dollars in additional support.

    Documents that raise questions about Michelle Obama and the Rezko land deal as well. One document that lists the number of community institutions involved with the Cottage View Terrace project includes The University of Chicago. In 1998, Michelle Obama was working for the University of Chicago as Associate Dean of Student Services. She was also in charge of developing the University’s Community Service Center. The University wrote three letters in which it “enthusiastically supports” the project.

    Other documents we found show that another close associate of Obama, Valerie Jarrett, whom CBS News once called “the other side of Barack Obama’s brain,” is also connected to Rezko. She served on the Board of Directors for the Fund for Community Redevelopment and Revitalization, an organization that worked with Rezko and Davis, and also voiced her support for other Rezko projects.

    Norma (226079)

  158. Hey everyone, your collective help requested following up on this:

    How’s this for a title of a document:
    After Alinsky: Community organizing in Illinois. Knoepfle, Peg (ed.): Springfield, Ill.: Sangamon State University, pp. 123–152. ISBN 0962087335.
    Among entries:
    Organizing in the 1990s: Excerpts from a roundtable discussion, September 22, 1989“, in The roundtable discussion was sponsored by the Woods Charitable Fund and moderated by a trustee of the Wieboldt Foundation, with participants that included Barack Obama, Anne Hallett, Sokoni Karanja, and the assistant director of special grants programs at the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and with guests that included Ken Rolling. The first person mentioned by Obama in the discussion was Peter Martinez.

    Anybody able to get a look at this? It would be real interesting to see what Sen. Obama had to say about community organizing in the context of Alinsky’s ideas.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)


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