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10/6/2008

Reaction of Obama Campaign to Ayers Attacks Suggests Fear On Their Part That It Has Potential To Do Real Damage

Filed under: 2008 Election — WLS @ 3:10 pm



[Posted by WLS]

The fact that the Obama camp read the “tea leaves” and saw this attack coming, and then attempted to pre-empt it to some degree with a roll-out in the NYTimes of their talking points on the subject, suggests that they fear the damage it might do.

Now that the McCain campaign has launched its attack, the response today by Obama further establishes that they have genuine fear over how it might play out.

First, they drag out the Keating Five scandal.  Not only is it ancient, not only was McCain exonerated by an independent investigation, and not only did the Senate Ethics Committee find he had done nothing wrong, McCain has worn his error in judgment in acting on behalf of a constituent as a “Red Badge of Courage”, citing it as the foundation for his career-long effort to combat the influence of special interests in the legislative process.   Even Andrea Mitchell was voicing skepticism this morning when interviewing an Obama campaign official about whether this pushback had any real substance behind it.

Now, to add to Obama’s earlier misrepresentation “He’s just a guy from my neighborhood”, an Obama campaign aide is peddling the excuse that when Obama first met Ayers he was unaware of his background in violence.  Ben Smith at Politico and CNN both have David Axelrod personally coming out and saying Obama didn’t know of Ayers’s past when Ayers hosted the fund raiser for Obama’s fledgling campaign for State Senate in Illinois.

This is not a defense the campaign has ever made in the past, and Obama had never made this comment when previously asked about Ayers, thus it will prompt further scrutiny from all quarters.  The reason?  Because the next question is “when did you learn about it, and why didn’t you sever ties to him at that time?” 

This is in the bloodstream now.  It’ll be mentioned in the debate tomorrow.  Obama is going to have to hope that 51% of the electorate doesn’t care about it.  Their reaction today suggests that they don’t know that to be the case.

— WLS

158 Responses to “Reaction of Obama Campaign to Ayers Attacks Suggests Fear On Their Part That It Has Potential To Do Real Damage”

  1. Of course it has potential to do real damage. Obama’s obfuscations depend on convincing people he wasn’t aware of Ayers’ violent past, and the continued MSM whitewash of Ayers as a former radical.

    The problem is two-fold. First, Ayers is in no way a former radical. He is currently just as radical as he ever was. You could read his numerous interviews or books in which he tells you. Or you could just go to his site at billayers.wordpress.com and read his speech before the World Education Forum hosted by Hugo Chavez in 2006 in which he tells you. Or you could just take the clue provided by the red star next to his name on his site. You’ll soon know exactly what Bill Ayers wants to accomplish through his “social justice” indoctrination in schools. The destruction of the “capitalist” education system that in his view produces only racism, oppression, or militarism.

    That’s the school reform project that Obama willingly helped him with for years.

    Second, you’d have to think that Obama is stupidest, most incurious man to ever run for the White House. Because Ayers has been interviewed several if not hundreds of times by the Chicago media, particularly toward the run-up to the Democratic convention in 1996. He bragged about his “days of rage” exploits whenever he could, particularly his violent past and going to Cuba to work with the Vietcong to “bring the war home.”

    Exactly during the time period when Obama started working with Ayers at the CAC and when Ayers helped launch Obama’s political career.

    I’m not going to use the correct word here, but Obama is demanding that we accept his excuse that he can’t tell “excrement from shinola” and still vote him into office.

    His latest excuse is the one he always uses; he’s the only guy in Chicago who wasn’t aware of the obvious.

    Steve (1b3f1b)

  2. I hope this becomes an issue, but I think Obamania might sweep it all aside. Surely this would have been, or at least should have been, a big problem before now.

    On another message board, I tried to talk about Ayers, and the response I got from one of the people I had previously thought to be reasonable said she thought an association with Ayers was a good thing, since he was now a good guy, what with being a “school reformer” and “educator.”

    Andy (09ab51)

  3. There has to be more about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Who did it ? How much money was spent and how did it turn out? They need to keep hammering on that, especially if Obama brings up education.

    Mike K (d8deba)

  4. Ayers is the same “radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist” he always was. That’s where the potential damage lies.

    He just thinks now that violence is “not necessarily” the answer, and indoctrination in schools may be a better way to bring about the rebellion against the capitalist system.

    He’s not a “good guy” now. Never has been. And Obama has no problem with him or his goals. That’s why he helped him.

    Steve (1b3f1b)

  5. RACISTS

    JD (f7900a)

  6. We know now that Sarah Palin reads the New York Times. That appears to be at least one more newspaper than Barry will admit to.

    fat tony (aab9a3)

  7. I cant help but think that McCain has to wait to attack Obama, with the attention span of most Democrats being only about 15 seconds, the attacks have to come really late just so people can/will remember them.

    ML (14488c)

  8. This whole Mendacity of Hope thing is positively surreal! He tells America in the “greatest speech since Gettysburg” that he had no clue that Uncle Jeremiah was a racist, America-hating bastard, despite the close 20 year personal friendship. He tells us that he had no idea that Resko was such a scum bag, despite the bags of money showing up on his doorstep and the sweet-heart real estate deals that just came out of nowhere. What’s that you say? Khalidi was Arafat’s mouthpiece and helped funnel money to Palestinian terrorists? You don’t say? He tells us that he had no idea that Ayers was a murderous bomber in his hey day, despite the numerous interviews, books and public statements.

    And the press dutifully accepts every word he says. No need to look at UC archives, nothing to see there, move along. Even if one were to believe every lying word that came out of the Obamessiah’s mouth, any reasonable person would have to conclude that this man is so utterly clueless about the people he has been close friends with as to render him too mentally incompetent to get a driver’s license let alone be President.

    Let’s pretend that McCain comes out tomorrow and says the he’s buddies with a serial killer. But, you know, the guy hasn’t actually murdered anyone lately, so it’s cool, right? I’m sure he would get a pass too.

    But let’s move beyond the different pieces to this puzzle and connect a few dots. Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright were preaching a very similar message. The man was holding down and oppressing the po’ black folk. Obama “organized” the marchers and shouters in the community. And he sat on Ayers’ boards to funnel money both to Wright but also to spread the word in Chicago’s public schools. But, of course, the ONE was totally unaware of the nefarious goals by both parties that he was being used to advance.

    MJBrutus (78a680)

  9. I thought Baracky was supposed to be the smart Ivy League educated thinker. How could he not know that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist?

    JD (f7900a)

  10. “Now, to add to Obama’s earlier misrepresentation “He’s just a guy from my neighborhood”, an Obama campaign aide is peddling the excuse that when Obama first met Ayers he was unaware of his background in violence.”

    As I understand it, Ayers hand picked Obama for his little 100 million project to radicalize education. If ths is true voters should ask not only what did Obama know about Ayers but what did Ayers know about Obama?

    Terry Gain (aab754)

  11. The reaction suggests Camp Obama has feared it for awhile, though they have a polling cushion at the moment.

    Whether it comes up in the deabte — let alone whether the new spin “will prompt further scrutiny from all quarters” — is another issue entirely. The MSM has bent itself into a pretzel to downplay it, even though Obama and Axelrod blatantly lied to them about it; there is no reason to expect otherwise going forward.

    Karl (1b4668)

  12. ‘Let’s pretend that McCain comes out tomorrow and says the he’s buddies with a serial killer. But, you know, the guy hasn’t actually murdered anyone lately, so it’s cool, right? I’m sure he would get a pass too’

    MJ Brutus

    Great comment but I can’t see McCain getting a pass unless his friend is black, gay and not really his friend.

    Terry Gain (aab754)

  13. “This is in the bloodstream now.”

    It’s in the bloodstream of the 30% ers, it’s true.

    It’s also true that the 30% ers have become irrelevant.

    And that’s one thing we can be grateful to George Bush for.

    When do you plan to bring back the game changer “lipstick on a pig”? It’s about time to give that one another shot as everything else is failing miserably.

    jharp (2282bb)

  14. When pressed, Barrak Obama said he didn’t know Reverend Wright preached racial hatred and religious bigotry, even though Obama and his wife sat in Wright’s church for over 20 years. (Can you believe a word Obama says?)

    Now, Obama is trying to downplay his long and close relationship with terrorist, Bill Ayres. (Says he’s just a guy from the neighborhood. Right?) Obama owes a huge debt to Ayres and Dohrn, they give their seal of approval when he first ran for elective office. Without their blessing, Obama wouldn’t have had the opportunity which launched his political career. Nor, would he now be the Democrat nominee for President. Obama owes Ayres, big time.

    Barrak Obama’s in a tight spot. He knows he has to turn his back on the very people he’s always relied on for support and advice. He’s got no choice, he has to commit political sacrilege, he’s got to renounce his Marxist mentor, so it’s under the bus for Bill Ayres, and for anyone else who’s outlived their usefullness, just like Franklin Raines, and Jim Johnson.

    It’s getting a bit crowded there under the bus, what with Obama’s typrical white grandmother, his crazy preacher, and his old pals from FannieMae already sacrificed on the alter of Obama’s political expediency.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  15. Second, you’d have to think that Obama is stupidest, most incurious man to ever run for the White House.

    That’s exactly what I’ve been saying to my Lib friends ad nauseum about this issue – they can’t have it both ways here; either he’s a congenital idiot and is unfit for the office (where’s that wonderful judgement he’s been screaming about over the past few months?), or he’s being untruthful about their relationship, akin to his flimsy attempts vis a vis Wright.

    McCain needs to ask him point – blank about this, and why he thought it was OK to associate himself with a terrorist who has never apologized for his actions that were designed to achieve the cold – blooded murder of our fellow citizens.

    The shrill and histrionic reactions we’ve been seeing here (as well as on the other Lib sites) from the cultists is always indicative of panic setting in – their precious is finally being exposed for the charlatan that he represents.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  16. O has such a shady past…the years at Columbia and his dealing with Ayers/Dorn, Rezco and others in the “machine”…his “earmarks” to organizations back home in IL, and his association with ACORN…he’s got skeletons in the closet, and with this hitting the fan, and their reaction to it, they are trying to get it under control, quick…

    Mav and ‘Cuda need to be driving this stuff home…O talks about “transparency”, he needs to be transparent about his past. Put that seed of doubt out there to the undecided, and borderline O supporters and this could unravel his campaign…there is probably some common threads between his past and some of the stuff going on in the campaign now…

    fmfnavydoc (0dd45c)

  17. And that’s one thing we can be grateful to George Bush for.

    makin’ fun of children
    Down’s Syn, Down’s Syn children
    makin’ fun of children, HARPTARD!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  18. but what did Ayers know about Obama?

    More than we do currently, I suspect…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  19. “Second, you’d have to think that Obama is stupidest, most incurious man to ever run for the White House.”

    “That’s exactly what I’ve been saying to my Lib friends”

    What friggin planet have you been living on.

    Goerge Bush is not only the worst President in U.S history but also the stupidest and most incurious.

    Please share with me how well things are shaping up for us in his final days.

    Economy?
    Deficits?
    National debt?
    Afghanistan?
    Iraq?
    Katrina?
    Allowed the worst terror attack on his watch?

    Or better yet, tell me just one thing he has succeeded at.

    jharp (2282bb)

  20. If McCain/Palin was listening to me, I’d tell them to veer directly into talking about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, how Obama worked with Ayers there, and what it was all about. It hits Obama in three places: 1) His relationship with Ayers is far more than he says (making him out a liar to boot); 2) The goals of the CAC were FAR LEFT goals, and Obama was in charge; 3) Is this what we could expect from an Obama presidency in terms of education reform? Those three things should make 75% of Americans cringe.

    irishlad317 (790882)

  21. Or better yet, tell me just one thing he has succeeded at.

    Giving you and your fellows one place to focus your delusions, apparently…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  22. Looks like the PTA hockey Mom’s got a little something for us soon.

    And you keep trying the old, worn out, amounts to nothing Ayers and Obama meeting a couple of times.

    “Seven Alaska state employees have reversed course and agreed to testify in an abuse-of-power investigation against Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin.[..]

    Lawmakers subpoenaed seven state employees to testify in the inquiry but they challenged those subpoenas. A judge rejected that challenge last week. Because of that ruling, Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg says the employees have decide to testify.”

    Things getting a little desperate, huh?

    It’s quite amusing to see an 18 month old non event as the wingnuts last grasp.

    jharp (2282bb)

  23. Or better yet, tell me just one thing he has succeeded at.

    Giving you and your fellows one place to focus your delusions, apparently…

    Comment by Scott Jacobs — 10/6/2008 @ 5:15 pm

    Good one Scott.

    And it only costs us $5 trillion, 4,200 dead, 30,000 wounded and maimed, and the worst economy since the great depression.

    Heckuva job! W.

    jharp (2282bb)

  24. JoeKlein was pushing the same line described above. If they really never used this line before maybe someone should check the timestamps to see how closely he’s following marching orders.

    As for the effectiveness, what many people fail to recognize is that it’s a big world out there, and it’s very difficult to get word about this out there if CNN, the NYT, the WaPo, and all the rest are willing to cover for BHO.

    So, those who actually want BHO to lose need to put on their thinking caps and come up with a workaround.

    How to Defeat Barack Obama (44943b)

  25. See the Wikipedia article which mentions the Feb. 16, 1970 murder of Officer McDonnell by a pipe bomb in San Francisco. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground

    In a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. In the blast, Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded while Robert Fogarty, another police officer, received severe wounds to his face and legs and was partially blinded.[17]
    While no group has ever claimed responsibility for the bombing, it has been attributed several times to the Weathermen,[18][19] and Weatherman leader Bernardine Dohrn has been suspected of involvement. At the time, Dohrn was said to be living with a Weatherman cell in a houseboat in Sausalito, California, unnamed law enforcement sources later told KRON-TV.[20] An investigation into the case was reopened in 1999,[21] and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed,[20] and no one was ever arrested for the bombing.[21] An FBI informant, Larry Grathwohl, who successfully penetrated the organization from the late summer of 1969 until April 1970, later testified to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee (but not then Dohrn’s husband), had said Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present at some point during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there.[22] In a book about his experiences published in 1976, Grathwohl wrote that Ayers, who had recently attended a meeting of the group’s Central Committee, said Dohrn had planned the operation, made the bomb and placed it herself.[23] In 2008, author David Freddoso commented that “Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them”.[22][24]

    These are the two people in whom’s home Barack Obama began his political career. Disgusting. Ayers and Dohrn should be in jail and Obama run out of politics for ever associating with them.

    We have to get word out on this because the media are trying to sugar coat this

    Proud Kaffir (1b0e9d)

  26. and the worst economy since the great depression

    And thus proving you are utterly uneducated as to economic history…

    Carter gave use an economy far worse than the one we have.

    Had you the ability to look further back than november of 2000, you would know this.

    As an interesting aside…

    “I believe that most Americans would agree on the problems this country faces and which the next administration must solve. They include the need, once again, for an economy that works. The economy today is in very, very bad shape, the highest unemployment since the Great Depression, xx% higher than when Mr. X took office, raging inflation. The latest wholesale price index is once again raising the specter of double-digit inflation. The purchasing power of the average American has slipped so much that it’s now the equivalent of the purchasing power in XXXX. It’s not getting better, it’s getting worse. All the leading indicators now point downward. Stock investors are losing confidence. Over $XX xxxxxx of value has disappeared from the stock market in less than a month. We need a government that works, we need a government that cares, and once again, we have to get back at work on education, on health, on housing, on the environment, on energy. And we need a foreign policy that once again reflects the values and the beliefs of the American people. This will take leadership, and we need leadership, too. The Republican administration, the Republican Party has had eight years to solve these problems. All of them have gotten worse. The Republican ticket does not offer new plans for their solution but is engaged in a frantic effort to defend the past. This nation desperately needs new leadership. The XXXXXX-YYYYYYY ticket would offer a new generation of leadership dedicated to solving the problems I have listed, and that is the basis of our appeal.”

    Can you guess who said it, jharp?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  27. And it only costs us $5 trillion, 4,200 dead, 30,000 wounded and maimed, and the worst economy since the great depression.

    Troll, blame the Democrats for the economy, not GWB. You can hold your myopic opinion about the Iraq war, but don’t distort reality about economic matters.

    Bush may have signed that traveshamocricy we call a “bailout,” but it was only ‘necessary’ because of Democratic ineptitude.

    You’re a joke, jharp.

    h2u (81b7bd)

  28. Things getting a little desperate, huh?

    …said the Troll who makes fun of mentally – disabled children. Who’s that Troll? Harptard!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  29. The most telling reaction was the Obama campaign’s request to get the Justice Department involved.

    They demanded that Howard Simmons, whom they claim donated to the American Issues Project, be prosecuted. The Justice Department rejected their request.

    The American Issues Project ran an ad linking Obama to Meyers.

    Note that McCain had not called for the prosecution of George Soros or any donor to MoveOn.Org despite MoveOn.Org’s ads against McCain, including one blaming him for the economic “crisis”.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  30. …said the Troll who makes fun of mentally – disabled children. Who’s that Troll? Harptard!

    Comment by Dmac — 10/6/2008 @ 5:31 pm

    You are a liar.

    And you go to hell the same for lying as you do for stealing.

    And fuck you, too.

    jharp (2282bb)

  31. Awww, does Harpy need his binkie?

    Meanwhile, looks like the calls for an investigation into Obama’s fundraising activities are starting to bear fruit:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/06/cbsnews_investigates/main4504955.shtml

    They’ve found two donors so far that look to be fraudulent – btw, note the source. CBS? Hoo boy.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  32. Harptard, Harptard, He’s Our Troll

    If he can’t spin it

    No one can

    Mendacious pond scum

    Insulter of disabled infants

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  33. The reaction you speak of wls, is Obama trying to defeat speculations from his base that he is weak and will not attack. He is telling you all that he can play dirty too. Why does this have to have a post? I forgot, wls. Posting pointless as usual.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  34. And fuck you, too.

    Not gonna answer? Don’t know who said it?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  35. Proud Kaffir, thanks for that additional information. What is interesting is that the WU bomb that was supposed to kill and maim hundreds at Fort Dix, but instead killed the three WU bomb makers, that bomb also contained nails and other shrapnel. The bomb making seems analogous and has the trademarks of Ayers and Dohrn.
    I am happy that McCain has finally taken the gloves off, thanks to Gov Palin. She is on fire.
    Drill Obama Drill him McCain/Palin.

    eaglewingz08 (98291e)

  36. Poor jharp!

    He attempts to spew Democrat talking points on Pat’s blog, gets called an idiot for his troubles, and then starts cursing like a sailor. Poor little guy!

    LoL

    h2u (81b7bd)

  37. He is telling you all that he can play dirty too.

    Translation for Lovelorn: Yeah, and he’s the bestest and toughest guy evah, and he’s bigger than you, so you better watch out! Because I said so! Losers!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  38. #37
    Losers!
    The only reasonable thing you have said about yourself, doofusmac.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  39. “Frank” was just an old poet (not a member of the Communist Party USA, who agitated against the United States and preached hatred and mistrust of Middle America)

    Rev. Wright was just a “crazy uncle” (not a Marxist inspired black nationalist and devotee of Farrakhan who agitated against the United States and preached hatred and mistrust of Middle America and Jewish people)

    Ayers was “just some guy from the neighborhood” (and not an unrepentant co-conspirator in the attempted bombings of our men and women who serve this country, including an intended nail bomb at a dance for our men in uniform and their innocent dates)

    Robert Malley is “one of hundreds of guys who give informal comments to the campaign and had no formal role and is not formally tied to it and doesn’t have a formal title, at least not formally” instead of being the rotten apple who didn’t fall far from the genetic tree of two parents who were kicked out of France (France!) for malicious and slanderous hatred of Jews. The rotten apple met with Hamas and has been a serial Israel blaming sycophant for the Jimmy Carter school of misinformation and misdirection on the Israel-Palestinian issues.

    Khalid al Mansour is someone “who does not know Barack Obama, did not raise funds for his Harvard education, did not solicit the help of Percy Sutton, rather than ( a raging frothing black nationalist who hates Jews and has ties to the Saudi royal family and represents OPEC and African nations in positions diametrically opposed to Middle America)

    http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html

    Sen Obama also does not know Michael Klonsky, nor does he know the Democratic Socialists of America or the New Party, he has never sought their endorsements and does not affiliate with them in any way….rather than(Michael Klonsky was a chief and key blogger within the Obama campaign until….um…yesterday, when he suddenly and mysteriously disappeared.) {see also, Sam Graham -Felsen, Carl Davidson and Noam Chomsky, Danny Davis, Cornel West, …a veritable Who’s Who of Middle America haters who espouse the overthrow of the government and rage and froth slander at our country almost daily}

    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-file-22-barack-obama-danny-k.html

    Sen. Obama doesn’t know Michael Pfleger or Louis Farrakhan, doesn’t know Cynthia Miller or Jennifer Mason, doesn’t know Rashid Khalidi or Ali Abuminah.

    He doesn’t know them, they are not “official” members of his campaign…having been put on “deep background” as has Rev. Wright.

    And we believe this…because the Democratic Party Media has said we better…or they will call us racists. And that’s why they refuse to ask any questions about it all.

    cfbleachers (991d6b)

  40. oops, I got caught up in the contraption that doesn’t let me link improperly…I’m in limbo somewhere on my most recent post.

    cfbleachers (991d6b)

  41. M.L. @ 3:53 says

    I cant help but think that McCain has to wait to attack Obama, with the attention span of most Democrats being only about 15 seconds, the attacks have to come really late just so people can/will remember them.

    M.L., I don’t mean to be disagreeable, but your comment might be true if elections are on November 4. It is my understanding that Ohio starts early voting tomorrow and Florida will be voting starting October 20.

    From the AP: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmJpgsrR27lwSUQ24_WSSrU0W-JwD93GL4S00

    Early voting advocates are targeting college students, the homeless, the poor and minorities – voters who have traditionally had a hard time getting to the polls.

    Draw whatever conclusion you wish from this about the attention span of the targeted voters, or whether McCain should have waited to go on offense.

    Best to all.

    lurker (710dbc)

  42. BTW:

    Here’s some infomration about the police officer murdered by Obama’s friends:
    http://www.odmp.org/officer/8924-sergeant-brian-v.-mcdonnell

    He was the son of a police officer and left behind two children. Where is the justice for Sergeant McDonnell when his murderers are not only free, they get to introduce to the political world the next President of the United States of America? Disgusting.

    Proud Kaffir (1b0e9d)

  43. Damn, the harpster phil, peter, oiram and lovey sure do get tedious after a while.

    At any rate, does anybody know what the pin is that the Annoited One is wearing on his lapel?

    In the photo’s I’ve seen it sure as hell doesn’t look like a flag!

    buckshot (ac5d83)

  44. I’m in limbo somewhere on my most recent post.

    Correction: I’m in Bimbo on any posting regarding Lovelorn.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  45. In a rip off of the old lawyer joke….

    He never was a terrorist, I didn’t know he had been a terrorist when I met him, and he wasn’t a terrorist when I knew him….

    Foxfier (15ac79)

  46. …or the other one, where the lawyer says to the jury, “who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  47. Who is lovelorn…and how do I get that post out of limbo?

    cfbleachers (991d6b)

  48. Oooh, better yet!

    “I wasn’t a friend with this man, I didn’t know this man had been a terrorist when I was friends with him, and he wasn’t a terrorist when I was friends with him….”

    Foxfier (15ac79)

  49. I don’t think Obama is hiding anything.

    No seriously. It’s his handlers who are hiding Ayers et.al. from the public.

    His handlers have a working knowledge of the American electorate. They know that Ayers, Wright, etc. all go down as smooth as a crushed glass cocktail.

    Obama, due to his upbringing, years spent out of the US, and his sheltered existence of ivory tower and Chicago politics simply has no clue what the American people are like.

    The left loves to talk about politicians who are dangerously out of touch. Well, that’s Obama, they know it, and they fear that too many people stand to recognize it in the near future.

    ThomasD (211bbb)

  50. Hey Losers. Give it up. Join the winning side. There is still room for you. In fact, from now, I will be known as Love2008, “the Merciful”. I will reach out a bipartisan hand to you losers and offer my forgiveness for your blasphemous behavior. Now, kiss my ring and all will be forgiven. :)

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  51. lovey — CBS/NYT Poll has the race back to Obama +3 among LV.

    Others have it bigger.

    Better hope CBS/NYT are wrong.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  52. Josh Marshall

    “So we have McCain today getting his crowd riled up asking who Barack Obama is and then apparently giving a wink and a nod when one member of the crowd screams out “terrorist.”

    And later we have Sarah Palin with the same mob racket, getting members of the crowd to yell out “kill him”, though it’s not clear whether the call for murder was for Bill Ayers or Barack Obama. It didn’t seem to matter.

    These are dangerous and sick people, McCain and Palin. Whatever it takes. Stop at nothing.”

    . Obama has been praised by Chuck Hagel, Colin Powell, and many other republicans but to you he’s one of the Four Horsemen. You sound like a lynch-mob under the flag of a “Militia.”
    If Obama wins I expect some you to start whispering “Tim McVeigh was right”

    Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

    You people are fascists.
    Pat, see what you’ve helped to created?

    Readnek (105b91)

  53. Harptard, Harptard, He’s Our Troll

    If he can’t spin it

    No one can

    Mendacious pond scum

    Insulter of disabled infants

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/6/2008 @ 5:44 pm

    Liar.

    Sorry. I had missed your post, was watching baseball.

    And you too can go fuck yourself.

    You’re quite some guy. Lying like that for quite a few days now.

    You proud?

    jharp (2282bb)

  54. Can anyone help a friend get out of spam filter jail?

    cfbleachers (991d6b)

  55. Hey WLS,

    The new Wall St. Journal/NBC poll has Barack Obama and Joe Biden ahead of McCain/Palin by 49% to 43%.

    But still I openly admit there is plenty of ground to cover. And also that McCain’s chances are looking grim.

    jharp (2282bb)

  56. You people are fascists.
    Pat, see what you’ve helped to created?

    Comment by Readnek — 10/6/2008 @ 6:37 pm

    I happen to agree with you.

    And they still support a war criminal.

    Scary times we’re in.

    jharp (2282bb)

  57. And they still support a war criminal

    Is John Kerry running again?

    cfbleachers (991d6b)

  58. I think it is terribly sad that both sides are lying, or at the very least exaggerating, about each other’s character. I’m shocked, shocked that the republicans would stoop this gutter! (OK, not really.)

    You have to give Obama credit for one thing though: he’s not just going to roll over dead with these charges that are at best half-truths. He’s fighting back.

    It’s probably too little to late for McCain anyway. He really ought to at least go out with some dignity instead. Now he’ll go out with his old head hanging low.

    It looks mighty suspicious when a campaign waits until this late in the election to start finding incendiary charges all-of-a-sudden. And yes, I do mean for that sword to be double-edged.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  59. No, actually, jharp, you did indeed write the things of which you are accused. You can cuss and claim anything you want, but you have been extensively quoted. The comments are still there.

    On the subject of “lying,” why, anyone who can wade through your bilge in prior threads can see that you are a Master of Trollish Projection.

    It’s the only thing at which you excel, I suspect.

    Go somewhere else, why don’t you?

    If you are a father, you are an embarrassment to fathers everywhere. But I don’t think you are. My guess stands: late 20s college graduate, bitterly jealous of the things that other people accomplish, and needing to feel good about yourself by exaggerating things about yourself (cue those Elton John glasses and your world travels) and dropping profanity bombs and insults wherever you go.

    You are happier than a pig in slop right now, with so many other trolls playing your kind of low games.

    But you screwed up by saying nasty things about the Palin kid. Then you respond to criticism—idiotically—by claiming to have a handicapped child yourself (and again, any father with a handicapped child that would say obnoxious things about a handicapped child is toilet film, pure and simple). But this is your MO: you claim a wide number of things about yourself that seem…convenient, to say the least.

    So why not write to Patterico, on the level, and reveal your “true self”? I can promise you that Patrick Frey is completely trustworthy. And I think that every poster here would apologize to you (something, by the way, you don’t seem capable of) if we were wrong about you. No? I didn’t think so.

    Regardless of your parental status, you should be ashamed of yourself. Writing such things in a political argument? Cursing solves nothing, and simply reveals you for being the callow sociopath you are.

    This isn’t about politics now. It’s about what your soul appears to lack.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  60. “But you screwed up by saying nasty things about the Palin kid. Then you respond to criticism—idiotically—by claiming to have a handicapped child yourself”

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/6/2008 @ 6:59 pm

    Hey Eric,

    It was you, you jackass who told me my daughter couldn’t be a fine kid because of her handicap.

    And I did not say anything nasty about Sarah Palin’s son.

    You are a liar.

    And you know it. And you too can fuck off.

    Liar.

    jharp (2282bb)

  61. Oh, I forgot.

    Keith Olberman eviscerated Palin tonight.

    Pretty good stuff. Don’t think we’ll be hearing many more terrorist accusations from the witch exorcised PTA hockey Mom.

    jharp (2282bb)

  62. Psyberian, for Obama “fighting back” means false charges of racism and more lies about his own background.

    Ah, jharp, you demonstrate all the pathologies you accuse others of. Typical Democrat troll projection. Fits with the foul little mouth.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  63. The esteemed Thomas Sowell hits the nail on the head with this description of Obama in today’s column at townhall.com:

    “… the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.”

    BTW, can anyone explain why jharp feels compelled to use such vulgar language?

    Bubba Maximus (456175)

  64. The Ayers/Acorn relationship would be the knockout blows to O!bama if video footage equivalent to the Reverend Wright rants was available.

    Unfortunately, this is a complex issue and involves some focus on the part of the voters. Big challenge.

    If the tables were reversed here, the MSM would have this graphically explained in the press and on TV. USA Today, NYT, Wapo, et al, would have links, arrows, pointers, you name it, all showing the pertinent connections.

    The relationship would be clearly communicated and it would decide the election.

    PC14 (ec0516)

  65. SPQR, how is bringing up the Keating 5 accusing anyone of racism? That’s what they’re doing in response to the outlandish charges from McNap. Do you not watch the news?

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  66. Bubba, jharp feels the need to use vulgar language for the same reason he feels the need to repeat lies about George Bush above. He’s a hate-filled and despicable creature who gets a thrill by talking dirty like every 12 year old.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  67. Psyberian, the Keating 5 accusation is just an ordinary lie of the kind Obama commonly traffics in.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  68. BTW, can anyone explain why jharp feels compelled to use such vulgar language?

    Comment by Bubba Maximus — 10/6/2008 @ 7:17 pm

    Yes, I can.

    I do it every time they lie and say I made fun of Palin’s son.

    There are 4 known liars here. daleyrocks, Dmac, JD, and Eric Blair.

    I apologize to others for the language but will continue to defend myself from this lying scum.

    And I like to throw a little extra onto Eric Blair as he pointed out to me that my daughter couldn’t be a fine kid because she has a handicap.

    jharp (2282bb)

  69. jharp, you left yourself out of the list of liars.

    And named people who are not.

    Typical of your behavior.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. Patterico once so eloquently described McCain’s “self-satisfied mockingly contemptuous grin.” So that’s our choice now? McNap’s “self-satisfied mockingly contemptuous grin.” or “a glib and cocky know-it-all?” Will I take the “glib and cocky know-it-all?” You betcha.

    Patterico, you knew that would come back to haunt you one day. You knew it, didn’t you?

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  71. As for jharp, every site needs a useful tool. He posts his few silly lines and the site gets more responses and more traffic. The tiny turd is helping, in his own little way, to make this place more popular.

    Just think of how much more work he’d get done if MOM didn’t interrupt every so often with her demands to come up out of the basement and have lunch and dinner.

    As harp’s MOM likes to say, “My harpy works so darn hard down in the basement on his internets and stuff. But I do wish he had some friends.”

    PC14 (ec0516)

  72. Don’t people wonder why they never hear anything about Obama’s past experience?

    Well, now they will. About time.

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  73. Exactly, Patricia, Obama hides large portions of his past specifically because he knows that America will reject the extremist anti-American left-wing associations that his past reveals.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  74. Readnek:

    You people are fascists.
    Pat, see what you’ve helped to created?

    Buh-bye, Readnek/AF/blah. Go find a new handle to sock-puppet under.

    jharp:

    You are a liar.

    And you go to hell the same for lying as you do for stealing.

    And fuck you, too.

    and

    And you too can go fuck yourself.

    You go into moderation for the foreseeable future. Non-insulting, non-profane posts get out of moderation. Others don’t.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  75. Everyone else: watch your tone. It’s too ugly. You’re all talking to real people. Remember that and address them as you would if you were speaking to them, face-to-face.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  76. We’ll play nice now. We promise.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  77. Obama’s past experience (#75)… Hmm. Well he taught Constitutional Law at Harvard. Is that OK? I wish people would bring that up more. I wasn’t able to accomplish that – you?

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  78. McCain was cleared by an independent panel – and Ayers was cleared by nothing less than the United States legal system.

    Ironic.

    HowellHeflin (b8c7e2)

  79. Psyberian, I think you are getting Obama’s resume confused. He never taught constitutional law at Harvard.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. Howell, Ayers was not “cleared”. The FBI’s misconduct prevented his prosecution, but he was not cleared.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  81. JSM, by ceding too much, is in a near-impossible bind.

    What average voter, who is now at least thinking about their vote, is going to believe – really internalize – the breathtaking degree to which BHO is unfit? That person will hear these charges and simply not accept their truthiness. Surely, a reasonable person could conclude that if any of this was really true, it would have come out by now and be accepted common knowledge.

    I run up against this thinking all the time in my personal interactions with many. They aren’t stupid to think this way. Michael Barone said today that JSM can’t win with policy issues now. It will take a fundamental attitudinal/perception change. I agree. And I fear.

    Ed (8d1569)

  82. Roger-roger that, Patterico. Wilco, and well done! Over and out.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  83. Howell – Adding to what SPQR said, Ayers readily admitted his guilt. Not sure how you get “cleared” out of the whole mess there.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  84. OK, you’re right SPQR. Obama graduated from Harvard magna cum laude and was president of the Harvard Law Review. He actually taught constitutional law in Chicago. [http://obamasresume.org/ ]

    My apologies, but still quite an accomplishment in my book.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  85. He really ought to at least go out with some dignity instead. Now he’ll go out with his old head hanging low.

    Yes, no doubt you’d like for that to happen – just like with Dole, the lefties just love those lovable losers who go out with their “dignity intact” while their candidate gets away with murder. It’s just another way of pleading with McCain to please, please don’t expose their shell of a candidate.

    Not this time – no.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  86. He actually taught constitutional law in Chicago.

    No, he lectured in the subject. He wasn’t even an associate professor…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  87. Scott, you don’t have to be an associate professor to teach. I didn’t make the claim that he was an associate professor.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  88. I didn’t make the claim that he was an associate professor

    You’re right.

    He did.

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  89. He actually taught constitutional law in Chicago.

    All this, yet he still has a difficult time remembering what his minister was actually preaching during all of those Sundays, and the man who held his first big fundraiser in his home seems to have been “just another guy in the neighborhood.”

    How do you account for this stunning ignorance on the part of The Messiah? Is he only intelligent while actually attending class, but like a changeling he suddenly becomes a doofus when it comes to everything else?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  90. Now now, Mr. Jacobs, don’t exaggerate– he claimed he was a constitutional law professor, not an *associate* professor!

    Tut tut.

    Foxfier (15ac79)

  91. Comment by Patterico — 10/6/2008 @ 7:34 pm

    No problem. I completely understand.

    I was and am deeply offended by others accusations that I was making fun of a handicapped child.

    And someone referred to my own daughter and not being a fine kid since she happens to be handicapped.

    I apologize for the language but felt it necessary. The others should be ashamed and they were/are the ones tarnishing your blog.

    Anyways, peace to you and however this turns out I appreciate the opportunity to post.

    jharp (2282bb)

  92. Psyberian, he produced no scholarship at all. Frankly, I know a lot of Harvard law grads who are not qualified to be President. And Democrats recently rejected a Yale law grad. And we know how much people have sneered at the President who earned an MBA at Harvard.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  93. covariance, actually yes I can be more snotty. Rather easily in fact.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  94. Psyberian – Why does that resume you linked for Obama omit his work on the Joyce Foundation, Annenberg Challenge and Woods Fund? Those seem sort of important, especially since he touted the CAC as one of his qualification in running for Comgress in 2000.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  95. Shhh, don’t tell him about any of that – he’s still ruminating on how McCain should bow out immediately with his dignity intact.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  96. covariance, I exist only to entertain you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  97. covariance/i like america:

    You were banned already, for spoofing “no one you know.” Back to moderation with you, and I’m deleting every comment you left in this thread. Why did you waste your time?

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  98. Psyberian-

    I notice that they left the CAC and Woods Fund off his resume…

    MartyH (928d75)

  99. # 75

    Don’t people wonder why they never hear anything about Obama’s past experience?

    They hear about his past all the time. Plus he’s written two gosh darn books.

    And what we have here…is a failure to communicate, because you guys aren’t hearing what you want to hear, what you need to hear. The only past you want to hear is about the one proving that Obama “is not fit” to be president. Amazing how every single Democrat who runs for President is unfit for the office, almost beginning to think it just might be a LOAD OF HOGWASH.

    WLS: RCP +6.2 Obama and climbing.

    Obama/Biden are clocking a .2 gain in the composite Poll. And are now in the lead in Flordia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Missouri (Missouri?!).

    But please let McCain and the Right wing continue with this rabid hysterical Ayers obsession as only dealing with issues can help now and McCain/Palin are woefully unprepared to discuss substantive ideas or policy or pretty much of anything except for how Mavericky they are…

    Peter (e70d1c)

  100. Allowed the worst terror attack on his watch?

    I had almost forgotten that jharpy is a LIHOP.

    Why does that resume you linked for Obama omit his work on the Joyce Foundation, Annenberg Challenge and Woods Fund?

    First off, I have to note that it is racist to even ask that question. Once you get beyond that basic truth, it is interesting that such things enjoy such blanket indifference from the MSM.

    JD (f7900a)

  101. I can proudly say that I have never set foot in an unrepentant domestic terrorist’s living room.

    JD (f7900a)

  102. Oh and the real terrorist from the University of Chicago you people should be focussing on is Milton Friedman, whose hyper-capitalistic vain, greedy incompetent economic philosophies are in full melt down mode.

    What’s in your wallet?? The Wall street CEO’s need more multi-million dollar golden parachutes. Won’t you give all you can for their foolishness and avarice? That Republican economic dogma done sold us up the river good. You betcha gosh, golly gee, dang ….

    Peter (e70d1c)

  103. Peter, I like how you mention his books … hoping that the ignorant won’t realize how much Obama’s own memoirs continue the coverup.

    Peter, Ayers is not an “obsession” but an embarrassment to Obama – as Obama’s own actions establish clearly. That’s why Obama’s friends have tried so hard to coverup the Ayers connection, obstructing attempts to investigate. And that’s why Obama himself has worked so hard to hide it.

    And guess what, every moderate and undecided voter who learns the truth of Obama’s long association with terrorists is going to be concerned by it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  104. SPQR – Why must you persist in your obvious racism?

    JD (f7900a)

  105. These are just distractions, people. Distracting you from the important issues that Baracky doesn’t really want to talk about either, like how he is proposing hundreds of billions of new dollars in spending, will socialize healthcare, and give the rectal ramrod to actual taxpayers. Plus, this is not helping keep fresh fruit on the table for his kids at home.

    JD (f7900a)

  106. JD, stubbornness.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  107. I think McCain has a real opportunity tomorrow night to get under Obama’s skin (oh I’m sorry- is that racist?) and maybe get him pissed off- get him flustered, stuttering mad, then hope for The Meltdown. Barry loses his Chicago cool. He strikes me as pretty thin-skinned, easily hurt.

    Out West (f397dc)

  108. I can proudly say that I have never set foot in an unrepentant domestic terrorist’s living room.

    Likewise, JD. And I can say I’ve never needed to enter into a shady real estate deal with someone on the verge of going to prison.

    Steverino (db5760)

  109. I apologize for the language but felt it necessary. The others should be ashamed and they were/are the ones tarnishing your blog.

    In other words, jharp doesn’t really apologize, nor does he think what he did was wrong; instead he blames other people.

    This is the Barack Obama/Bill Ayers mentality, the belief that it is right and justified to firebomb the houses of judges, to set off bombs to kill hardworking committed policemen, to build nail bombs designed to kill hundreds of soldiers, to teach children to kill their parents, and for your only regret to be that you didn’t do more of it.

    North Dallas Thirty (c21274)

  110. In other words, jharp doesn’t really apologize, nor does he think what he did was wrong; instead he blames other people.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — 10/6/2008 @ 9:21 pm

    Pretty much dead on.

    I will defend myself from liars. And who is to blame is your choice.

    The liars? Go for it.

    Or the one who uses bad language to defend himself?

    I guess it’s up to patterico to decide.

    jharp (2282bb)

  111. every moderate and undecided voter who learns the truth of Obama’s long association with terrorists is going to be concerned by it.

    The evidence does not support that. AIP, the sycophant right-wing blogs and even some newspapers have been talking about Ayers for months. Yet, Obama/Biden are not only leading McCain/Palin by +6.2 in the composite poll on RCP but lead in all the crucial swing states and making inroads into Missouri and even threatening North Carolina. The VP debate hasn’t even made a dent in Obama’s unbroken two week upward trend in the polls.

    And I dare McCain, no I demand McCain fully addresses this Ayers stuff in tomorrows debate, because the back lash is going to be fantastic.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  112. #109 Out West:

    He strikes me as pretty thin-skinned, easily hurt.

    I myself would like Senator McCain point out that even though he and BHO might happen to be Senatorial colleagues, that the young whippersnapper certainly has done nothing that entitles him to address the senior senator as “John.”

    EW1(SG) (d635e1)

  113. #86, Psyberian mentioned that Obama was, “… president of the Harvard Law Review.” Quite a feather in Obama’s cap. It’s one of the accomplishments which he says qualifies him for high office.

    However, did you ever wonder how anyone gets to be president of the Law Review without a long publication record of the sort which would qualify said person to hold such a position? Obama hasn’t got a single major article to his credit, not a minor article either. The best he can claim is a brief note. That’s not even good enough to make staff gofer on the undergraduate daily, much less the Harvard Law Review.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  114. #111 North Dallas Thirty


    In other words, jharp doesn’t really apologize, nor does he think what he did was wrong; instead he blames other people.

    I’m not sure how you think you’re makinig any sense with this load of stupidity. Everyone’s got their limit and jharp’s been dealing with abusive language and getting harassed for days now.


    This is the Barack Obama/Bill Ayers mentality.

    Maybe the McCain campaign can use that. Maybe they can connect jharp with Obama. Hell, Jharp is probably a terrorist himself.

    Ri-dic-cu-lous!!

    Peter (e70d1c)

  115. Ropelight – He got that position because the criteria changed from merit based to popular vote. Kind of like how this election is going.

    JD (f7900a)

  116. 104~

    You betcha gosh, golly gee, dang ….

    You display an absolutely fundamental misunderstanding of capitalism, particularly as espoused by Milton Friedman and others; mistaking the current US economy for something resembling capitalism when in fact it modified on a constant basis by members of both parties who are economically clueless.

    Since the proponents of teaching capitalism in our schools lost out in the late 1950s, I’ll point you to a book that you can download for free! that explains capitalism and how it can be employed in our society to improve the lives of all.

    EW1(SG) (d635e1)

  117. EW1(SG), Peter’s “misunderstanding” is no accident. This is the current Democratic theme – to dishonestly claim that the financial crisis is a failure of free markets.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  118. Scott, jharp is in moderation.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  119. Comment by Proud Kaffir — 10/6/2008 @ 5:23 pm

    Re: Ayers & Dohrn…
    They both should be dead!

    AOracle (8f95f7)

  120. Okay, that is twice.

    Moderated or not, that annoying little troll jharp writes about me:

    “…And I like to throw a little extra onto Eric Blair as he pointed out to me that my daughter couldn’t be a fine kid because she has a handicap….”

    I did no such thing. Never have. Never would.

    It may be that jharp cannot or will not read. But I have categorically never said anything of the sort.

    What I have said, and will continue to say, is that any father who would write insulting things about a person’s handicapped child, while having such a child themselves, is beneath contempt.

    In fact, writing insulting things about a person’s handicapped child, regardless of being a parent or not, is horrific.

    This exchange is part of the reason that I continue to doubt that jharp has any children at all, and is instead a recent college graduate instead of the person that he continues to present himself as: a father with originally two children (now three), college educated, world traveler, import-export person, only having to work when feels like it, etc. It’s all BS, leavened with faux-bravado and sneering superority. But that is no surprise, given the type and tenor of the comments that this individual repeatedly makes.

    I apologize, Patterico and other posters, for bringing this up again. But like his apparent hero, jharp seems to be believe that repeating…what’s his favorite word….oh yes…”lies” makes them true.

    I wanted it on the record. My own comments are clear and easy enough to retrieve (as are this jharp character’s), but there may be some folks who lack the strong stomach necessary to wade through his garbage.

    A contemptible troll, through and through.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  121. Eric Blari – Do not apologize. The mendoucheous asshats need to get called out, in no uncertain terms, every time they do something like this.

    JD (f7900a)

  122. But please let McCain and the Right wing continue with this rabid hysterical Ayers obsession as only dealing with issues can help now and McCain/Palin are woefully unprepared to discuss substantive ideas or policy or pretty much of anything except for how Mavericky they are…

    Explain again why the Obama campaign demanded the prosecution of Howard Simmons, whom they allege is a donor to American Issues Project, which produced an ad linking Obama to Ayers.

    And then explain why McCain did not do the same about George Soros or any donor to MoveOn.Org.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  123. JD, the goal was to get me angry. Clearly. And this dishonest poseur managed to do so. At the same time, repeating his, ah, misstatements regarding me needed correction.

    Thank you. I just can’t laugh of folks like that, as can you, and Icy, Dmac, and qdpsteve. My bad.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  124. #119 SPQR

    This is the current Democratic theme –

    No, it’s my damned theme. I speak for no one else.

    to dishonestly claim that the financial crisis is a failure of free markets.

    Failure of oligarchic trickle down pseudo-free markets also known as, free market fundamentalism, the one true inviolate religion of the Republican party made flesh through their lord and savior Ronald Reagan. It can be summed up as follows:

    Greed is good. Rich is good. Private sector is good.

    Compassion is bad and weak. Sharing is bad. Responsible products are bad (fu*ks ups the profit margin). Producing nothing, punishing the weak and making obscene profits is the ultimate good.

    Poverty is evil, the sign of a corrupt soul and deserves punishment.

    Government is doubly evil and must never infringe on the purity and sacredness of the all knowing, all perfect oligarchic free market.

    Well, say good bye to all that kids.

    The gravy train for the obscenely rich is over. Free markets and capitalism are great, only problem is they eat themselves and burn themselves out. I think in the long run, as long as this crisis comes out okay, and THAT remains to be seen, it might be a good thing if the irrational exuberance and self-righteous greed that produced this unholy clusterfu*k of a beast is nipped in the bud and controls are put in place.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  125. For the record, Eric Blair.
    __________________________________________________

    Like someone else said, the Harpster is not a parent. No decent parent would have written what he did, and then try to defend it. He is most probably, I suspect (and I’m sorry to repeat myself) a late 20s Comparative Sociology graduate working over at Kinko’s. Angry that his Fulbright application was rejected.

    Notice how he claims to be a great golfer, be the parent of two fine children, wait, one of those children is handicapped, travels the world, makes enough money he doesn’t have to work….

    The list goes on. I see him in his parent’s cellar, spitting all over his screen. I also doubt, to quote the immortal Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, that he has ever spoken to a young woman without giving her his credit card number.

    Or his parents’ credit card number.

    Hey, McCain might win. Or Obama. But no matter who wins, this jharp character is truly toilet film.

    And in my opinion, the comment about Trig Palin should have gotten him banned. But it ain’t my blog.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/2/2008 @ 10:56 pm

    Readers, judge for yourself.

    jharp (2282bb)

  126. My repsot of your post is not showing up so I thought I’d try again.

    Like someone else said, the Harpster is not a parent. No decent parent would have written what he did, and then try to defend it. He is most probably, I suspect (and I’m sorry to repeat myself) a late 20s Comparative Sociology graduate working over at Kinko’s. Angry that his Fulbright application was rejected.

    Notice how he claims to be a great golfer, be the parent of two fine children, wait, one of those children is handicapped, travels the world, makes enough money he doesn’t have to work….

    The list goes on. I see him in his parent’s cellar, spitting all over his screen. I also doubt, to quote the immortal Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, that he has ever spoken to a young woman without giving her his credit card number.

    Or his parents’ credit card number.

    Hey, McCain might win. Or Obama. But no matter who wins, this jharp character is truly toilet film.

    And in my opinion, the comment about Trig Palin should have gotten him banned. But it ain’t my blog.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/2/2008 @ 10:56 pm

    And I am who I say I am.

    jharp (2282bb)

  127. Scott, jharp is in moderation. – Comment by Patterico — 10/6/2008 @ 10:04 pm

    Patterico, thank you for doing so.

    qdpsteve (f35be1)

  128. jharp is in moderation. – Comment by Patterico

    Shit – now I owe you three beers.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  129. Obama lectured/taught a third year seminar course on civil rights — a very narrow subject matter in which he narrowed it even further by focusing on victim-ology.

    That does NOT qualify him as a constitutional scholar. Teaching third year law students is actually much less intellectually rigorous than teaching first year law students a traditional constitutional law course.

    wls (c1b09d)

  130. Hey Apogee, after all the e-mails I’ve sent to Patterico recently, I owe him a whole case of Sam Adams longnecks. :-)

    qdpsteve (f35be1)

  131. Eric Blair, please check your e-mail.

    qdpsteve (f35be1)

  132. Dear Q: no e-mail received yet. Time dilation may be in play. That or the local server…. I’m sure it will show up eventually.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  133. qdpsteve – Send it to him at work – that’s always a real knee-slapper.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  134. Is there a “Beer of the Month Club”? I’d pitch in.

    It is a thankless job to run a blog, and all the bloggers running the joint here are trying hard to create a place where folks can discuss issues. So when some folks just post to cause trouble, well, what to do?

    No solution is perfect, but it is clear to me that Patterico, DRJ, WLS, and the less frequent co-bloggers are doing their best.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  135. Apogee: true, yep. And I have the package marked “With love and affection from Sarah P.”… 😉

    qdpsteve (f35be1)

  136. Don’t forget to send along some moose jerky, and a copy of the Lowry article that upset Excitable Andi so much.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  137. I’m not sure how you think you’re makinig any sense with this load of stupidity.

    That’s tellinig him.

    Hey, you know what’s really awesome? Marxism.

    Jim Treacher (592cb4)

  138. I am amazed that this ran on CNN. Great job by Drew Griffin. Cooper Anderson tries to cover for O and even seems surprised himself that the story is running. This is very, very good. Wonder if O’s peeps will try to get it off youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ

    PC14 (ec0516)

  139. Pathetic marxist cowards like Peter that challenge Friedman (only after he’s dead, of course), and then throw out garbage that has been completely debunked.

    All these lefty idiots pining for socialism, because, as they show in their comments, they simply don’t have what it takes to make it in society, and they wish to drag others down to their level of mediocrity. Socialism is the system of losers and scam artists. It’s not about fair, nor will it ever be.

    Unfortunately for them, in every society there exists Capitalism, and it’s either above ground or below ground, and they’re not talented enough to get a piece of either.

    The talented find a way to be rich, and the turds will always be losers, no matter what system is in place. It’s fun to watch the turds imagine themselves as gaining importance in a socialist system, when in reality they’d be much worse off than they already are, with even less to say about it.

    Apogee (186a12)

  140. …said the Troll who makes fun of mentally – disabled children. Who’s that Troll? Harptard!

    Comment by Dmac — 10/6/2008 @ 5:31 pm

    JD, the goal was to get me angry. Clearly. And this dishonest poseur managed to do so. At the same time, repeating his, ah, misstatements regarding me needed correction.

    Thank you. I just can’t laugh of folks like that, as can you, and Icy, Dmac, and qdpsteve. My bad.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/6/2008 @ 10:38 pm

    covariance/i like america:

    You were banned already, for spoofing “no one you know.” Back to moderation with you, and I’m deleting every comment you left in this thread. Why did you waste your time?

    Comment by Patterico — 10/6/2008 @ 8:40 pm

    Eric, or Dmac, or anyone,

    Lots of discussion here about jharp’s comment(s) about Trig Palin. Sorry to have missed it/them, but can someone link to it/a couple of them so I can see what he said? Thanks very much.

    no one you know (the real one) (1ebbb1)

  141. no one you know – Good to see you around again.

    jharpy essentially said that Gov. Palin is so stoopid that Trig could give one of her speeches better than her.

    JD (f7900a)

  142. Thank you for #141 PC14. We’ll have to keep tabs on the progress of Griffin’s career, if you know what I mean.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  143. jharpy essentially said that Gov. Palin is so stoopid that Trig could give one of her speeches better than her.

    Comment by JD — 10/7/2008 @ 5:14 am

    Wow. And wow. Thanks for the info, JD.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  144. No one – in case you’re not aware of what happened after that disgusting posting was made, HarpTard then claimed that he never posted it in the first place, despite numerous re – postings that proved his extreme Trolldom.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  145. The start of this whole disgusting matter is found here:

    From: 10/1/2008

    The relevant post was made in response to this post: Joe Biden’s lousy answers to Couric’s Court questions

    “You’re funny Karl.
Good one.

    Making an issue of Biden’s response to Couric’s question….


    When Palin’s son Trig could have answered more intelligently than Palin did to Couric’s questions..
”

    Comment by jharp — 10/1/2008 @ 6:58 pm

    My guess is that it was rude throwaway line that the troll could not them back away from. It become more and more unpleasant after that.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  146. Thanks for re-posting that, Eric. I did not have the inclination to go back and find it, as all it has produced from jharpy is ever-increasing levels of vitriol, and outright lies.

    JD (f7900a)

  147. Thanks, Eric and Dmac. Glad to have more specifics.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  148. There are really more important things than whether
    or not Obama knew about Ayers past . Like McCain’s
    judgement , is he getting senile in his old , old
    age . Here he’s picked one of the most “unqualified”
    people on the planet to be his V.P. , I mean get
    serious , “Moosemeat” for brains (Palin) is literally a heartbeat away from being Pres.. Think
    about it she’s even less qualified to run the country than George W. and you see what he did !!!

    william gonzalez (f2217b)

  149. This thread is ancient history by now, but at least it is clear where the troll gets his “I didn’t not either insult handicapped children” idea (followed by profanity): he was insulting Sarah Palin using handicapped children.

    Quite different (not).

    JD, it was not pleasant to scroll back through the various posts, but that is what “hit and run” trolls rely on.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  150. Think about it she’s even less qualified to run the country than George W. and you see what he did !!!

    William – Think about it. She is even more qualified than Baracky.

    JD (f7900a)

  151. …said the Troll who makes fun of mentally – disabled children. Who’s that Troll? Harptard!

    Comment by Dmac — 10/6/2008 @ 5:31 pm

    “he was insulting Sarah Palin using handicapped children.”

    I’m glad we have this cleared up.

    And Eric Blair, you said…

    “Notice how he claims to be a great golfer, be the parent of two fine children, wait, one of those children is handicapped”

    You proud of that and do you anything to say for yourself?

    jharp (2282bb)

  152. You’re making an invalid assumption – he’s not able to actually think.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  153. The Republican Big Wigs and Corporate Fat Cats do not care if Sarah is unqualified. In fact that is the reason she was chosen. Just like Ronald Reagan and George W.
    The Wigs and Fat Cats that run the Republican Party want a stuper that they can control. A person that will go out and read the script that they will print for them.
    Spiro Agnew, Dan Quail, George W., and now Sarah Palin for John McCain who will die in office.
    They started off with Reagan so he could start the ball rolling for deregulation and finally brought in George W. so he could bankrupt the Country just like he did his businesses. It has worked.

    Herk (655d64)

  154. Herk, you are really silly trying to repeat that nonsense. The current financial crisis has nothing to do with “deregulation” and everything to do with too much intervention. The CRA, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the sources of the problems in the securitized mortgage based problems we have.

    Grow up and learn something before parroting the propaganda of the people who really caused the crisis: Democrats.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  155. Where’s my comment WLS?

    Peter (e70d1c)


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