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10/6/2008

L.A. Times Cuts Out McCain’s Remarks About Economy, Then Quotes Barack Obama Saying McCain is Scared to Talk About the Economy

Filed under: 2008 Election,Dog Trainer,General — Patterico @ 11:26 pm

Today John McCain finally began to tell the country about his own efforts to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the Democrats’ incredible inaction. Yes, as many of us had urged, McCain finally talked about the economy, and the conservative blogs went nuts. Republican bloggers know that McCain has to talk about this, because the economy is the top issue concerning Americans, and McCain has a good story to tell — even if it’s one that the media has been ignoring.

Speaking of which:

How did the L.A. Times cover McCain’s stunning speech taking on this core economic concern?

By pretending McCain never said it, and by quoting Barack Obama talking about how McCain is scared to talk about the economy.

I’m not joking:

At a rally here, McCain also lumped Obama in with Chicago politics’ history of corruption, while Obama responded that the Republicans were fostering political shenanigans and scare tactics.

. . . .

“It’s as if somehow the usual rules don’t apply, and where other candidates have to explain themselves and their records, Sen. Obama seems to think he is above all that,” McCain told the cheering crowd. “Whatever the question, whatever the issue, there’s always a back story with Sen. Obama. All people want to know is, what has this man ever actually accomplished in government? What does he plan for America? In short, who is the real Barack Obama? But ask such questions and all you get in response is another barrage of angry insults.”

That’s precisely the point where McCain started to talk about Democratic responsibility for the economy. McCain’s very next words, which never appear in the L.A. Times, were these words:

Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our lifetimes?

At which point McCain launched into the amazing speech quoted by Ed Morrissey at Hot Air, during which he laid out the case, at great length, for the Democrats’ responsibility for the mortgage crisis.

Does the L.A. Times report one word of that? No. Instead, they cut the quote of McCain’s speech short there, right before he talks about the economy, and proceed to quote Obama as claiming that McCain is scared to talk about the economy:

Speaking with reporters in Asheville, N.C., where he is studying for Tuesday’s debate, which is to focus on the economy and domestic issues, Obama pointed to recent reports that the McCain camp wanted to get away from economic issues, a topic that polls show benefits the Democrats.

“I was a little surprised over the last couple of days to hear Sen. McCain say, or Sen. McCain’s campaign say, that we want to turn the page on the discussion of the economy and a member of Sen. McCain’s campaign saying today that if we keep talking about the economic crisis we lose,” Obama said.

“I cannot imagine anything more important to talk about than the economic crisis, and the notion that we’d want to brush that aside and engage in the usual political shenanigans and scare tactics that have come to characterize too many political campaigns, I think [that] is not what the American people are looking for,” he said.

Of course, the economic crisis, and who is responsible for it, is exactly what McCain talked about.

But you’d never know that by reading the L.A. Times. The paper does make sure, however, to include this Obama attack on a nearly 20-year-old scandal barely involving John McCain:

Democrats, mindful that unanswered allegations hurt Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry’s presidential bid in 2004, hit back by portraying McCain as a friend of the same kind of bankers whose subprime mortgage dealings are causing a crisis on Wall Street.

Right: they talked about McCain’s (non-)involvement in the ancient Keating Five scandal. That is worthy of mention. But when McCain talked at length about the responsibility for the current crisis, all we’re told is that he’s scared to talk about the economy.

Orwellian, isn’t it?

But it’s business as usual at this newspaper.

P.S. They are suffering new cutbacks at the paper. I feel bad for the individuals, but I’m too angry to feel bad about the institution. To hell with the institution. They’re busy distorting facts, day in and day out, to torpedo John McCain’s campaign, and I’m supposed to feel bad?

UPDATE: The story has now been substantially rewritten sent down the memory hole — but I have a screenshot to prove that I quoted the original version accurately:

The rewritten new version is no better. McCain’s specific points about responsibility for the mortgage crisis are still not mentioned. But the story does have this race-baiting bit:

Pointing to the financial crisis and other dangers facing America, McCain added a dig at his opponent that seemed designed to highlight Obama’s unusual background, including a childhood in Indonesia and Hawaii: “I didn’t just show up out of nowhere. After all, America knows me; you know my strengths and my faults; you know my story and my convictions.”

Sounds to me like a dig at Obama’s inexperience. But every argument against Obama is racist; why not this one too?

UPDATE x2: Upon closer inspection, the new story isn’t “rewritten” — it is a completely new story, by a different author, at the same URL. They sent the first one down the memory hole.

It never happened. Understand? It never happened.

UPDATE x3: More detail about the disappearance of the original version, here.

162 Responses to “L.A. Times Cuts Out McCain’s Remarks About Economy, Then Quotes Barack Obama Saying McCain is Scared to Talk About the Economy”

  1. I don’t see how it could get any worse than this.

    this is worse than Rather pretending Bush got favorable treatment, or that the SwiftVets were lying. This is simply ridiculous.

    The LA Times is lying, knows it’s lying, and can’t possibly defend this, nor would it want to. They are clearly trying to look biased in order to retain that sliver of bona fide insano lefties (those who would not immediately denounce Ayers). That’s the LA Times’s market, and if they look objective and reasonable, they will lose that market too (in their heads).

    I think a lot of people would love to buy this paper if it were more honest, but they clearly think I’m wrong.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  2. Pat-
    There are a number of folks at the Times whom I consider acquaintances and even friends. I called some tonight, as I have done many times, wishing them best of luck in axe-dodging.

    I, however, am beyond the point of not caring about the institution. I know of innumerable stories about the mismanagement of the LAPD that are being ignored. One would seriously damage the repuation of a sitting Police Commission member. On the presidential front, I emailed Tom Hamburger today about his attrociously and obviously biased omission regarding Obama’s Fannie/Freddie contribution record (all the while mentioning that an ex-Fannie lobbyist works for McCain). He did not even acknowledge my email, much less address the respectful, if pointed, criticism.

    Honestly, if Hamburger gets laid off, I’ll not feel sorry for him. HE IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS WHY I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE. If he, and all his compatriots, would stop insulting me, I would subscribe – for no other reason than to reward deliberate good works.

    They refuse. I don’t subscribe. They pay the consequences.

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for smack addicts too.

    Robert C. J. Parry (50a453)

  3. I never read the original story.

    Maybe one of the editors found out that the McCain speech was not completely quoted, so they cut it out entirely.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  4. Right about now no one cares who did what. All that they can see is:

    1) The markets are in meltdown.

    2) The administration hasn’t the slightest clue, attacking the problem several years too late. They look like Keystone Kops racing from inferno to inferno with sloshing buckets of water.

    3) McCain hasn’t a clue either and neither does Obama but hell, getting rid of anyone tainted by Bush seems like a plan. Any plan is better than this.

    What I fear is that the election won’t make page one.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  5. How much are these contributions by the L.A. Times worth to the Obama campaign, and did either party declare the amount?

    Apogee (186a12)

  6. Actually Kevin Murphy…

    … McCain has quite clearly been calling for enhanced regulation on Fannie and Freddie for years. Obama has been taking their money by the ten-thousand load.

    You want to talk tainted?

    Robert C. J. Parry (50a453)

  7. I would say that I was shocked…but I am past the ability to even be shocked by the MSM anymore.
    I have a relative that I love dearly who works for one of these “major” publications and she is worried about her job, and though I love her dearly, at this point I don’t feel any sympathy for her or the others that continue to work for these intellectual criminals….also known as newspapers.
    I kept thinking all along that at some point one of them would blab because they would be afraid to be beaten to it…but, good God, they really are in the tank. Agenda before profit….if only their agenda was even remotely in line with American values…..

    christmasghost (59d530)

  8. Murphy,

    while Bush’s allowing spending insanity, and frankly lame ability to use the bully pulpit make your argument at least somewhat reasonable, it’s simply a result of media dishonestly that you aren’t aware that Bush and Mccain fought the Dems (and some GOP, but mostly Dems) on Fannie and Frankie.

    Bush had this one right… YEARS AGO. He’s not doing too little too late… he’s just cleaning up a mess he didn’t permit to be made. Like 9/11, I guess.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  9. Bush had this one right… YEARS AGO

    Even Saturday Night Live agrees with that.

    Apogee (186a12)

  10. “Any plan is better than this.”

    So thought the voters in ’76, too.

    SabreMau (62f9d8)

  11. Juan, etc.

    Hell, I’m quite aware of McCain’s attempts to deal with Freddie and Fannie. I know Obama’s a crook. But that and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee. My vote for McCain will be drowned in a “get Bush and anyone who he’s touched out of office yesterday” kind of mood.

    The average person is SCARED $HITLE$$. Or should be. We’re being hit by an economic Katrina and the dikes are manned by the 3 Stooges. It doesn’t matter what I think, you just cannot have markets dropping 5 and 10% every week and think that no one is getting hurt.

    The bailout plan, if enacted 6 months ago, might have done some good. But the current “plan” is way late, a trillion short and only got passed because Congress got to stuff its pockets.

    If we are lucky we only get a deep recession. IF we’re very very lucky. I don’t think we’ll be lucky.

    This concerns me rather a lot more than McCain v Obama.

    And the Entitlement crisis beckons….. good thing I’m an optimist.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  12. Kevin, I totally agree with you that the bailout is not going to do much more than ease an obvious recession that history will say started months ago.

    And you’re right that this is a much more important story than who gets to be president (after all, what can Obama or Mccain do about it?). Of course, Bush can’t (or shouldn’t) have much impact on the economy either. I think the bailout idea is far beyond what government should be allowed to do, but I do think it was necessary (in some form).

    Bush deserves plenty of blame for how he handled the issue lately, but I am surprised that he got what he wanted (basically). He’s a lame duck, and still able to push an agenda. I think if he had his way Fannie would never have gotten in this much trouble, but I can’t argue with you on how messed up our economy is getting.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  13. OTOH, I would really like to believe this is all a “Phantom Menace” that will go away once Obama is elected as per script. But I don’t believe it enough to take my money out from under the mattress.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  14. The Sins of Omission will have/will come back to haunt them. I guess they are really afraid for poor Barry O.

    Tim (d44d97)

  15. LA Times and Herbert and Marion Sandler’s journalist group one in the same?

    Judy (0a9a5f)

  16. Seriously – if any of you have friends or acquaintances on the LAT that are decent people, rather than wish them luck in avoiding the axe, encourage them to seek other employment before it is their turn.

    Better to abandon a rotting corpse than to hang on to the very end and be tainted by the smell. It is difficult, if not impossible, to wash off.

    Dr. K (52a1de)

  17. Kevin, you should do like I did in 1987, and take that cash and buy some stocks. I’m sorely tempted to do this some time this week.

    Whenever you see this kind of panic… there’s a lot of money to be made! Yeah, it’s tougher to get a loan, and the job market will shrink up, but so much of what’s going on is mental and will probably start to vanish on November 5th. It’s going to be years before everything is fixed, but I just know I’ll be kicking myself down the road if I don’t pick up a few bargain stocks at the expense of idiots selling out at the advice of CNBC.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  18. Leftists in the media are lying. It is good that this is being pointed out, but it is really surprising? Fish swim, birds fly, and leftists lie.

    What else is new?

    Lee (a5ba76)

  19. “McCain added a dig at his opponent that seemed designed to highlight Obama’s unusual background, including a childhood in Indonesia and Hawaii: “I didn’t just show up out of nowhere. After all, America knows me; you know my strengths and my faults; you know my story and my convictions.”
    Yes. We know John McCain – the great windbag moraliser who left his injured wife to her fate for much greener pastures. What guarantee that he won’t leave those injured by the economy in the lurch as well?

    Barry Smith (c86f86)

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  22. Live TV. May McCain take a copy of the LA Times for exhibit A in the People vs. the MSM.

    Not only do people believe a lie if you tell it often enough, they won’t believe the truth if they never hear it. Imagine that.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  23. oh man, what a laugh #20 is.

    The bold adds a little more desperation to the attack, you know?

    Mccain’s first wife was not on her first marriage to Mccain… she understands, supports Mccain, and her kids LOVE John Mccain, even today as adults. Yeah, a young man coming back from being a 5 year POW was not a perfect husband by any means.

    I love how even Obama supporting preachers refuse to forgive a man who has been faithful to Cindy for ages. I love how we get to hear hundreds of untrue smears about Mccain… always completely ungermane attempts to distract from the thread topic (this time media being in the tank for The One).

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  24. Juan (#24)”Mccain’s first wife was not on her first marriage to Mccain… she understands, supports Mccain, and her kids LOVE John Mccain, even today as adults.”
    How touching!!
    The point is only a perfect cad would leave his wife when she is down and out.

    Barry Smith (9b460a)

  25. How touching!!
    The point is only a perfect cad would leave his wife when she is down and out.

    You demonstrated from your first comment that you were a dishonest partisan, and your follow up only serves to confirm it. Sen. McCain admitted his faults some time ago to the people that matter, and they both indicate that they were both broken people at the time, and neither was able to recover within their relationship. But, that does not matter. You just came here to lie.

    JD (f7900a)

  26. > And the Entitlement crisis beckons….. good thing I’m an optimist.

    And WHICH PARTY is the one that’s been TRYING to find some approach to resolving it for the last 10 years, but keeps getting blocked by hysterical and dire pronouncements by the other party?

    I know which one I want in charge for the next 12 years, clearing up the current mess, and later when the fecal matter starts to hit the wind pushing device.

    If Obama gets elected, presume it ain’t going to be resolved.

    If Obama gets elected, I don’t recommend optimism — Buy guns, buy gold. Buy gravity feed water filters, buy MREs. Because at some point in the next 20-25 years, there is going to be Hell to pay.

    Obloodyhell (280a12)

  27. Barry, no, divorce is something most married people do. It’s very unfortunate.

    You are attacking Mccain, but it doesn’t make sense. Start a blog to attack Mccain… don’t enter a thread that displays an enormous story about the dishonesty Obama’s sycophants at the LA Times are showing with regard to Mccain’s economic resume (a very impressive one when you realize he was so prescient when Obama was actually causing our present mess with his ACORN and corrupt Fannie BS).

    You’re probably better off directing your high moral standards at yourself. You’re trying desperately to damage the discussion of a critically important issue. Because you are a political bigot.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  28. > I love how even Obama supporting preachers refuse to forgive a man who has been faithful to Cindy for ages.

    Well, I mean, how dare he be that kind of a man when said preacher himself isn’t faithful!??!

    McCain’s clearly and self-evidently a racist bastard for being such a self-righteous prick.

    :^P

    .

    OBloodyhell (280a12)

  29. How touching!!
    The point is only a perfect cad would leave his wife when she is down and out.

    Comment by Barry Smith — 10/7/2008 @ 5:35 am

    He didn’t leave his wife, they left each other. After years of being tortured at the Hanoi Hilton neither McCain nor his wife were the same people they were when he went off to war. It is telling that to this day they are great friends, they just stopped being in love with each other.

    Go find something useful to do like play in traffic or rearrange your sock drawer.

    John Steele (44f0bd)

  30. only a perfect cad

    Am I the only one that suspects that this Obamabot is not even from this side of the pond?

    JD (f7900a)

  31. Steele, you say it well. And indeed, family life is just another one of the enormous sacrifices sailors make. It’s hard to make a marriage work under the best of circumstances… imagine being parted from your husband or wife for half a decade. Mccain and his wife were both fundamentally changed, and have an amicable relationship today. They really are models for how a divorced couple should act, and that’s why her kids love John Mccain so much.

    But to me, this story is just a great reason to take a second and remember all those wifes and husbands that are not with their families because they put on that uniform like John Mccain did… their marriages are not all going to work out, and that sucks. If they run for president against a scumbag, they will be attacked by that scumbag’s scumbags for being human. You are not allowed to run for president and be human unless you are a democrat. Remember that while Mccain’s marriage was falling apart, Bill Ayers was wearing a ring made from a navy aircraft shot down by the NVA. I wonder what Obama thought about it while he was snorting cocaine (I’m sure Barry Smith thinks snorting cocaine is not a big deal).

    I have been utterly successfully trolled, but this is a great example of what Obama’s best do. They take a great issue (such as the LA Times committing the worst case of dishonesty in print I’m aware of), and find something sick and horrible to say that will change the topic.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  32. Hey, people, if you live in LA, why not go to the LA Times building and hold a demonstration against their lies? I’d go, but I live too far away.

    JFP (2a2134)

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  34. How touching!!
    The point is only a perfect cad would leave his wife when she is down and out.

    I see.

    So that shows a much greater character flaw than:

    *listening (or partially listening) to the “sermons” of Mr. Jeremiah “god damn America, just not my $5mm house” Wright
    *writing the forward to Bill “let’s take a pipe bomb to the Fort Dix dance” Ayers
    *getting real estate deals from Tony Rezko

    Where do these relationships place one on your highly calibrated “cad” scale?

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

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  37. Comment by CW Desiato:

    Interesting its been a while and still no answer from Mr Moralizer, Barry Smith? And he still can’t address the fact that Barry Obama has the MSM manufacturing stories out of thin air, editing live speeches to favor his candidates and Barry Obama isn’t even leading outside the error factor of any poll that the MSM can dream up.

    Hmmm, Barry Smith….Barry Obama…Barack is that you? Has it come to this that the “messiah” is trolling conservative websites trying to hijack threads which show him for the loser he is? I guess all those illegal contributions from terrorist in Palistine don’t buy the kind of help you need, huh?

    LogicalUS (742bd0)

  38. Hey this is the L.A. SLIMES its the west coasts version of the NEW YORK SLIMES you should expect this out of these leftists lying news rags

    Krazy Kagu (96cbd0)

  39. Sunday in the San Jose Mercury, it featured the lead article on the mortgage crisis. It completely ignored the significance of the subprime market fostered by Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Here’s another liberal manipulation by the media.

    Alta Bob (e70400)

  40. <a href=”http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/025430.php”<CNN Gives The Spurs To Barack Obama About His Ties (and Lies about) Bill Ayers?

    Joe (8102a5)

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  42. Incidentally, the former Mrs. McCain receives the lion’s share of McCain’s disability pension. She received a house in the divorce and McCain also pays her medical bills.

    doppelganglander (69c7df)

  43. Treat others as you would be treated yourself.

    You lie about others, they about you.

    Remember, just because someone else is doing something wrong doesn’t make it OK for you to do it. It makes it even worse when you do it.

    God (d47d41)

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  45. CW Desiato(#35)
    *listening (or partially listening) to the “sermons” of Mr. Jeremiah “god damn America, just not my $5mm house” Wright
    *writing the forward to Bill “let’s take a pipe bomb to the Fort Dix dance” Ayers
    *getting real estate deals from Tony Rezko
    Where do these relationships place one on your highly calibrated “cad” scale?

    These are lies that have been properly refuted. McCain’s ditching of his injured first wife is the truth. Only defended as the weaknesses of a POW (Incidentally this is a slur on all the POWs)

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  46. These are lies that have been properly refuted.

    Cough, cough … BS … cough

    McCain’s ditching of his injured first wife is the truth.

    I see this arse is doubling down on the lie.

    JD (f7900a)

  47. Truth, to many people, is the story that you have been persuaded to believe. There are some who believe in a “reality-based truth”, but scientists and engineers (the primary holders of such beliefs) are a shrinking minority in this country.

    htom (412a17)

  48. “…They sent the first one down the memory hole…”

    Now we know where the editors at Pravda & Izhvestia found employment after the CCCP went into melt-down!

    Comment by JD — 10/7/2008 @ 7:56 am

    Sort of reminds you of someone else who is currently in moderation?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  49. Everyone should be concerned about a major newspaper censoring what is printed for the public to read. If Obama is elected, we won’t have to worry about the free press anymore – Communists control everything that you hear. No more TV/Radio/Internet – you can’t have free thoughts – that would be too radical!

    Mary Brown (f167c4)

  50. Everyone should be concerned about a major newspaper censoring what is printed for the public to read. If Obama is elected, we won’t have to worry about the free press anymore – Communists control everything that you hear. No more TV/Radio/Internet – you can’t have free thoughts – that would be too radical!
    THis is not a duplicate and I have never posted to this site before.

    Mary Brown (f167c4)

  51. AD – I denounce myself, bigot.

    JD (f7900a)

  52. Folks: read Barry Smith’s argument.

    And then read mine. Use Control+F on your keyboard.

    Barry has no interest in engaging in a debate on LA Times’s disgusting ethics or the media sycophantic nature towards Obama. The reason is that he doesn’t know enough about the issues to refute my arguments in a way that will convince anyone. He just wants to trash Mccain, and trash me as though my noting that all military spouses face a special hardship is some kind of insult to them.

    Just read what he said and read what I said and tell me if he’s not an example of how offensive Obama supporters often are.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  53. The LA Times and all newspapers are reaping what they have sown. Dana Millbank also is complaining about the “ugly” campaign tactic of questioning Obama’s qualifications. Oh, Just Accept Defeat

    This is the death match, folks. It’s the media versus the American people.

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  54. McCain and Palins hypocrisy and transparent attempt at smearing will focus back onto them. Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was charged and released of his anti-war philosophy (very radical at the time, and he wasn’t involved in blowing up toilets himself). Ayers was voted as citizen of the year for his work on teaching school children peace and funding raising for improvished communities in need of school supplies. I think it’s safe to say if he is a terrorist in this day and age, he’d be in Guantanamo right now.

    However, the Palins have no excuse. I’m sure they wouldn’t like voters seeing video of Todd Palin’s mentor and peer member Joe Vogler founder of AIP and Governor Palin’s warm welcome to the AIG into her Governorship in her own words captured on news archives along with Vogler in his own word here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYqRfp6-x8

    “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government,” Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

    “And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. “I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”-Joe Vogler.

    Conservative Not NeoCon (b65a5c)

  55. The LA Times and all newspapers are only reaping what they have sown. Dana Millbank also is complaining about the “ugly” campaign tactic of questioning Obama’s qualifications. Oh, Just Accept Defeat

    This is the death match, folks. It’s the media versus the American people.

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  56. Barry (#20 & 25) reminds me how glad I am that you can’t insert large, colorful, fonts into these comments.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  57. Good old Don Patterico Quijote, still huffing and puffing at the LA Times after all these years. Man, you made my morning!

    Metacom (b8c7e2)

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  59. *listening (or partially listening) to the “sermons” of Mr. Jeremiah “god damn America, just not my $5mm house” Wright
    *writing the forward to Bill “let’s take a pipe bomb to the Fort Dix dance” Ayers
    *getting real estate deals from Tony Rezko
    Where do these relationships place one on your highly calibrated “cad” scale?

    These are lies that have been properly refuted. McCain’s ditching of his injured first wife is the truth. Only defended as the weaknesses of a POW (Incidentally this is a slur on all the POWs)

    What was refuted?

    That Mr. Wright said “god damn America?” Maybe he said “god give a lot of bubblegum to America” because “damn” was bleeped out. Maybe Obama didn’t hear him because he had the same sort of hearing as the people who heard “kill him” in the other thread. Obama probably thought he said “truth and kittens for all” or perhaps “I love milk” or “I’m a man of God, except while following Mr. Jesse Jackson’s lead of fornication.”

    OK, so that’s strike 1 swinging.

    The next pitch is a tough one.

    On March 6, 1970, a bomb [the Weathermen] were constructing in their Greenwich Village townhouse accidentally exploded, killing Ayers’s girlfriend Diana Oughton and his Weatherman comrades Ted Gold and Terry Robbins. Ayers begins his book with a portrait of how he heard the news, waiting by an isolated phone booth for his weekly report to be phoned in. Shattered, Ayers realized that they were destroying themselves and the time had come to quit.

    What Ayers does not mention is that the bomb that killed his friends was an antipersonnel bomb meant for an army dance at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

    Yeah, I know, Weekly Standard link, get over it. Ironically, Ayers’ “stops” his “radical ways” when the bomb caused a few of his colleagues to take a dirt nap.

    Strike 2! I’m sitting pretty this AB. At least get the freaking bat off your shoulder!

    Rezko. I think Rush Limbaugh said this:

    U.S. Sen. Barack Obama expressed regret late Friday for his 2005 land purchase from now-indicted political fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko in a deal that enlarged the senator’s yard.

    “I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it,” Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times in an exclusive and revealing question-and-answer exchange about the transaction.

    Oh no, that was Barack Obama who said that. Strike 3 looking with a man on 3rd. All you had to do was tap it to the right side (ooops, sorry for the politics!) and the man would’ve scored.

    Don’t worry about the kangaroo court, they only make rooks wear the Hooters costume.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  60. Great work once again Patterico.

    Republicans have got to understand that they are running not just against their opponent but against the Elite Media as well. Republicans need to act like it, name names, call out journalists as lyers and start showing their pictures.

    Chuck Norton (599383)

  61. What you cannot see on the web is how the Times laid out the story. On A6, there’s a bright 6″ x 9″ photo of Obama grinning at a restaurant with five smiling customers. Cheery.

    On A7, there’s a 3″ x 5″ photo of McCain and wife in silhouette. They are debarking an airplane, looking down at the steps, giving them both a slumping demeanor. Gloomy.

    James Bass (078ecc)

  62. JD(#49)These are lies that have been properly refuted.
    Cough, cough … BS … cough
    McCain’s ditching of his injured first wife is the truth.
    I see this arse is doubling down on the lie.

    What convincing replies. Keep it up. You are serving the great conservative cause well!!

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  63. JD(#49)These are lies that have been properly refuted.
    Cough, cough … BS … cough
    McCain’s ditching of his injured first wife is the truth.
    I see this arse is doubling down on the lie.

    What convincing replies. Keep it up. You are serving the great conservative cause well!!

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  64. [...] Patterico, we learn that the LA Times cut off its reporting of McCain’s speech yesterday (which I [...]

    CNN “special investigation unit” discovers that Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers (7a2640)

  65. The day when the evil LA Times closes its doors can’t come soon enough.

    Obama is a Thug (b22b96)

  66. Barry – Lies like that deserve nothing but mockery. You would not know the truth if it gave you a mushroom bruise. Now, run along back to http://www.barackyobamaismygod.com or whatever cesspool you crawled out of.

    JD (f7900a)

  67. Ah yes, Barry Smith; do you want to explain why Ayers, who is fully endorsed and supported by Barack Obama, was saying this?

    ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

    That’s the sort of “peace” this Bill Ayers teaches. And it’s no surprise that the racist Obama would support Ayers’s other philosophies and him teaching them to children.

    Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the original sin of “skin privilege,” the fighting brigade of the New Left internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. “All white babies are pigs,” declared one Weatherman. On one occasion the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the offices of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told her, “You have no right to have that pig male baby.” “How can you say that?” Morgan asked. “What should I do?” “Put it in the garbage,” the Weatherwoman answered.

    After all, it’s nothing Barack himself hasn’t taught his own children and cheered for when it was coming out of Jeremiah Wright’s mouth.

    North Dallas Thirty (efe6ff)

  68. Patterico, what was the name of the reporter who wrote the original story that went down the memory hole?

    Official Internet Data Office (b87509)

  69. [...] disappearing down the memory hole faster than pocket-watch-carryin’ White Rabbit on crank! Patterico was watching one such news story, the one that presented yesterday’s comments by John McCain [...]

    ‘Okie’ on the Lam » Blog Archive » Stuff Is Disappearing Down The Memory Hole — Good For Obama, Bad For McCain (e2cef7)

  70. #

    JD(#49)These are lies that have been properly refuted.
    Cough, cough … BS … cough
    McCain’s ditching of his injured first wife is the truth.
    I see this arse is doubling down on the lie.

    What convincing replies. Keep it up. You are serving the great conservative cause well!!

    Comment by Barry Smith — 10/7/2008 @ 9:02 am

    The first rule of “I got nothin’” club is don’t talk about “I got nothin’” club.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  71. If Libs/Leftists weren’t hypocrites, we would have to invent the word…
    “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government,” Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

    Now, this bit of self-serving rhetoric by a Native-American (AK version) drives the current crop of L/L’s absolutely bonkers (that’s a technical, medical term meaning “fucking nuts”); but, when some leaders of the Native-American (lower-48 version) community start shooting FBI agents to demonstrate their angst about 19th-Century grievences, that’s just community outrage against a paternalistic, identity-robbing, hegemony.

    Please wake me up when the AIP starts blowing up the AK pipeline/railroad/or other public works trying to force the Fed. Gov’t out of AK.

    AOracle (d30543)

  72. The reason is that he doesn’t know enough about the issues to refute my arguments in a way that will convince anyone

    I think we all know by now that they never come in here in an honest attempt to argue their cause, because they’re too unintelligent to know how to debate using actual facts in evidence, which is the primary reason why I found this site in the first place.

    What convincing replies. Keep it up

    As if we needed any more examples of same – how about actually, you know, answering the question put to you?

    Such as this one:

    Ah yes, Barry Smith; do you want to explain why Ayers, who is fully endorsed and supported by Barack Obama, was saying this?

    ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

    Answer the question, Troll.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  73. [...] careful or your stuffs might start [...]

    The Memory Hole | Striving For Average (99938c)

  74. Have you contacted the L.A. Times about this? Do they get to do this without even a slap on the wrist?

    Terri (bca4f8)

  75. “No more TV/Radio/Internet – you can’t have free thoughts – that would be too radical!”

    Actually, it would be too racist.

    #57:

    Can the stupid crap about Obama being eight years old. No one is questioning baby Obama.

    Ayers made repeated statements in 2000 and 2001 that he did not regret his violence, that he did not believe that he had done enough in terms of resort to violence, and that he would not rule out use of violence to further political goals. Obama’s relationship with Ayers when he made those statements was not that of an eight-year-old child. Rather, Obama made a calculated decision to reap whatever personal profit he could from Ayers, knowing full well what Ayers is, then claimed that he knew nothing about him.

    Bullshit. Bullshit. Obama is a liar.

    Federal Dog (1404a2)

  76. Racists

    JD (f7900a)

  77. McCain didn’t discuss any economic proposals, he just attacked. And he repeated the lie that you were forced to acknowledge yesterday.
    What are McCain’s economic proposals?
    His health care proposals?
    Have you mentioned that he wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid?.
    Why don’t you discuss his policies if you like them so much?
    But you prefer this

    At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

    Swedish Socialist (a273a1)

  78. Swede – Forgive me if I do not take Dana Milbrank’s word on that.

    JD (f7900a)

  79. Aren’t the Swedes second only to the French in the Surrender – Monkey sweepstakes? Let’s see – allowed the Nazis complete impunity within their country while claiming “neutral” status. Yep, just another “Vichy France” job – nice country ya got there.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  80. Demac(#75) As if we needed any more examples of same – how about actually, you know, answering the question put to you?
    Such as this one:
    Ah yes, Barry Smith; do you want to explain why Ayers, who is fully endorsed and supported by Barack Obama, was saying this?

    Answer is simple and staightforward. Ayers is not fully endorsed and supported by Obama. This has been clarified by the National press so often. But I wouldn’t expect morons like you to know that.

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  81. [...] the economy Filed under: McCain, Obama, media bias — crushliberalism @ 1:05 pm From Patterico: Today John McCain finally began to tell the country about his own efforts to regulate Fannie Mae [...]

    LAT edits out McCain’s comments on the economy, then reports that he won’t talk about the economy « Crush Liberalism (921768)

  82. Come on, Dmac. Barry told us, so it must be so. Baracky did not know who Bill Ayers was when they were working together on the CAC. Baracky did not know who Ayers was when he launched his political career in Ayers’ living room. Down the memory hole with those inconvenient facts.

    JD (f7900a)

  83. [...] the current messed-up economy. In their “original story” on the subject, the LA Times did not quote that part of McCain’s speech.  But they then quoted Obama in saying that McCain was afraid to talk about the economy.  I [...]

    We Swear » Blog Archive » 1984 Has Arrived - figuratively. literally. irregardlessly. (dcef38)

  84. It sure would be helpful if BHO would release his collegiate records so that we could see who wrote letters of recommendation for him to get that transfer from Occidental to Columbia, and then get into Harvard Law with the mediocre grades he received at Columbia (Oh, what’s that, I don’t know he got bad grades because his transcripts are still secret? Well, I accuse – You disprove!).

    Dollar for a donut one of those letters to Columbia and/or Harvard will be from our old friend Bill Ayers!

    Say, why is it that Gov. Palin is criticized for going to five colleges/universities, but it was all right for The One to go to Occidental and Columbia to get is BA? Plus, she paid her own way to college, who paid for Obama?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  85. “…get is his BA…”

    Another Drew (d30543)

  86. This has been clarified by the National press so often. But I wouldn’t expect morons like you to know that.

    You mean it’s been clarified by “National Press” outlets like CNN? Watch and learn, our little ignorant douchebag:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ&eurl=http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/

    Gee, and here Anderson Cooper’s basically calling out your guy for being a habitual liar – so please tell us again, who’s the moron in this scenario?

    Why, it’s you, Sweetheart.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  87. JD, it’s typical that the cultists who come on here know nothing regarding their own candidate, so they never link to anything of substance, but just rant on in the wan hope of making some type of coherence. OTOH, we link, you decide.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  88. Has Osama bin Ladin come out and given his official endorsement to Barrak Obama yet? bin Ladin’s endorsement was one of the highlights of John Kerry’s campaign, and I’d like to start tracking a few polls to see what sort of boost bin Ladin’s seal of approval has on several key issues.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  89. Ok….mentioning the economy and not being specific says nothing but rhetoric to me. I need to hear more specifics from both candidates.

    I don’t read the LA times, but everything that was mentioned in this article was actually shown in it’s entirety on CNN. You can’t expect to see everything by constantly flipping through channels.

    But, enough with the character bashing. No one is perfect! It would be absolutely amazing to see the laundry of each and every one of you all on these blogs, out in the open. He without sin, cast the first stone!!!!

    I’m so glad that God is the only one that I have to worry about judging me!!! My goodness!!

    JM (cd6722)

  90. Ropelight(#91)Has Osama bin Ladin come out and given his official endorsement to Barrak Obama yet? bin Ladin’s endorsement was one of the highlights of John Kerry’s campaign, and I’d like to start tracking a few polls to see what sort of boost bin Ladin’s seal of approval has on several key issues.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if that is engineered by the GOP strategists as a last desperate measure.

    Barry Smith (71124a)

  91. Swedish Socialist says:

    And he repeated the lie that you were forced to acknowledge yesterday.

    Non-sequitur. Peanut butter! Bats! Flee!

    What are McCain’s economic proposals? His health care proposals?
    Have you mentioned that he wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid?.
    Why don’t you discuss his policies if you like them so much?

    You mean you haven’t read what it says on his website? Whoa!

    Basically, his idea is to cut taxes (good), cut wasteful spending (good) and offer tax credit for health care (good).

    You act as if the current implementation of Medicare and Medicaid is “totally awesome.” I’m pretty sure since it’s run by the gummint it’s “totally bureaucratic” and “wasteful.” If he’s able to do something that makes it less so while refocusing (like a freaking laser!) efforts to get help to the people who REALLY need it, I’m all for it.

    Obama’s idea is to raise taxes (bad), increase spending (bad) and offer socialized health care (bad).

    Let’s see, do I want the same people running health care who presided over this economic mess? Do I want a trip to the doctor to resemble a trip to the DMV?

    Hmm, tough one!

    But you prefer this

    At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

    The mind that believes this needs the Hubble Telescope simply to catch the faintest glimpse of crap.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  92. #

    Ropelight(#91)Has Osama bin Ladin come out and given his official endorsement to Barrak Obama yet? bin Ladin’s endorsement was one of the highlights of John Kerry’s campaign, and I’d like to start tracking a few polls to see what sort of boost bin Ladin’s seal of approval has on several key issues.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if that is engineered by the GOP strategists as a last desperate measure.

    Comment by Barry Smith — 10/7/2008 @ 10:47 am

    So does that mean you think Osama’s endorsement of Obama would be bad?

    I would consider an affirmative answer to be a breakthrough!

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  93. #82 DMAC-
    Yes, let’s emulate those wonderful Swedes who make those fine Volvos and Saabs, but most citizens there can’t afford to buy them and instead have Japanese econo-cars.

    Media really doesn’t say much about Swedish surrender to Islam there either. I hear malmo is the pits. How long before sharia law is teh rule in much of Scandinavia?
    No one really calls them on it, but the Swedes and Irish both kissed Hitler’s ass. Cruel neutrality? Haha. At least the neutral Swiss may well have defended themselves had Nazis attacked. And I admit that Sweden once had the fourth largest airforce in the world during the cold war. Mighty impressive for a nation of what- 8 million or so? But who defends much of Europe now? I guess Barry O wants us to emulate the euroweenies in being militarily weak, along with very high taxes and gas prices. Ain’t it sweet? Your Cadillac is my cadillac. You can take that $10 an hour Obama bullshit volunteer job and live high off the hog ratting out or intimidating your neighbors, obamaturds.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  94. Um… what does it matter what Sweden thinks about McCain? The fact that the US isn’t a socialist nation means that it would be really nice if I could stop paying so much for someone else’s healthcare (medicare/medicaid). If McCain wants to cut spending, more power to him.

    If he has no healthcare proposals… GOOD!

    No, scratch that. I think he should propose smething about healthcare: the abolishment of insurance and that would make me happy…

    And what is he supposed to say in the current economic “crisis” that we’re supposedly in right now that he hasn’t said already? At this point, what the majority of the American people want to hear is that we get a load of tax money back that we can put into the economy, thus strengthening it and pulling us out of the current “crisis.” But what would the MSM make of that comment?

    futurequote, “LIKE, OMG! HE’S TRYING TO LIKE DESTROY THE ECONOMY BY TAKING MONEY FROM THE POLITICIANS GODS WHO KNOW HOW TO SPEND BETTER THAN THE US POPULACE DUMMYHEADS!” endfuturequote

    vilate (b3304d)

  95. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is engineered by the GOP strategists as a last desperate measure.

    And right on cue, the Trollbot completely ignores the link to the CNN report that directly refuted his lies of media clearance on the Obama/Ayers connection. Well done, douchebag!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  96. [...] headline tells the tale: L.A. Times Cuts Out McCain’s Remarks About Economy, Then Quotes Barack Obama [...]

    Cheat Seeking Missiles » Media Bias #82 (050349)

  97. I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

    No thank you, I only eat the buttered popcorn.

    Thomas (4d15b9)

  98. [...] Patterico, we learn that the LA Times cut off its reporting of McCain’s speech yesterday (which I linked [...]

    MSM winning the vote for Obama by deception « Pecanpii’s Weblog (97ecca)

  99. HOW COULD ANY RED BLOODED AMERICA BLACK OR WHITE VOTE FOR OBAMA?????? IM NOT SAY MCCAINS THE GREATEST BUT I THINK HE IS THE SAFEST. IF OBAMA WINS THE USA WE NO WILL NEVER BE THE SAME, AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    TERESA (50005e)

  100. So… does anyone know how to inquire as to whether the operating budgets of companies like the LA Times, MSNBC, etc., are being reported as donations to the Obama campaign?

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  101. [...] hell, every criticism against Obama is apparently racist). The L.A. Times covers this speech how? By cutting out the economics part and quoting Obama as saying that McCain is too scared to talk abou…. When they get called out on it, how does the newspaper respond? By removing the story and [...]

    SansPretense » Thomas Jefferson’s opinion on the financial crisis (2f857f)

  102. Someone might want to consider a post on Obama’s heavy handed interference in the internal politics of Kenya.

    Drudge opened that can of worms this morning with a link about Jerome Corsi being “detained” to prevent him from holding a scheduled press conference to expose Obama’s finger prints all over the most recent election in Kenya.

    This is big time stuff. MSM is going to have to hand out blinders and ear plugs to pretend this isn’t newsworthy. This should be fun, the double talk and tap dance alone is worth the time to read their prattle.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  103. Its McCain’s fault for not making this point from the rooftops MONTHS ago. McCain has treated it like it was “just another point to make” in a debater’s checklist of things to say before he sits down.

    His campaign has been tone deaf and defensive. Its been excruciating to watch the Best Man allowing himself to be marginalized by someone with no experience other hob nobbing with 60′s bomb planters.

    No one can have expected the LA Times to honestly report this campaign. They can’t even honestly or competently report on the City they’re in.

    Nixon knew 30 years ago: talk over their heads. get your message through.

    McCain needs to stop talkng about being a POW (we know, we know, enough already). Stop wearing a red and white tie. Make some main points and cut through the clutter. And be nice. They are trying to paint you as an angry man now.

    robert smith (329cc1)

  104. But, enough with the character bashing. No one is perfect! It would be absolutely amazing to see the laundry of each and every one of you all on these blogs, out in the open. He without sin, cast the first stone!!!!

    I can state, without a moment’s hesitation, that the leader of my Church never gave bulletin space to Hamas, never gave Louis Farrakhan an award, never said that AID’s was invented to oppress blacks, and has never said God Damn America.

    I can state, without a moment’s hesitation, that I have never needed the help of a now convicted felon to purchase my home.

    I can state, without a moment’s hesitation, that I have never met nor associated with anyone that was a domestic terrorist.

    A Presidential candidate should be able to say the same things.

    TERESA – ALL CAPS MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT

    JD (f7900a)

  105. [...] L.A. Times Cuts Out McCain’s Remarks About Economy, Then Quotes Barack Obama Saying McCain is Scar… [...]

    Bride of Rove » No Comment (ca7f8e)

  106. Just typing out loud to hear myself babble. A lovely little fantasy, if I say so myself, but probably too good to be true. I trust Patterico or one of the other lawyerly brothers and sisters will gently explain to me the error of my ways…

    When you consistently lie about one candidate and just as consistently refuse to fact-check the other, you have become a participant in the campaign, not an observer and reporter. Do shield laws apply to campaign operatives who merely pretend to be members of the press? And what of the “news” organizations that employ these wolves in sheep’s clothing? Have they not forfeited their “press” status as well? Then there is the question of campaign finance. If these people and organizations are indeed attempting to benefit one side, surely that counts as an in-kind contribution. Have these been declared and valued?

    I’m sure I’m not the first to mutter these dark thoughts. (Indeed, I feel rather sure I’m only synthesizing the ideas of others that have been rolling about in my subconscious…) But, shucks, our side has lawyers, too — and they know what the law really is. As P.J. O’Rourke almost said, “Old age and guile beat youth and a pathetic messiah fetish every time.” So let’s beat them. If “the press” wishes not to be “the press” anymore, let us assist them just as vigorously and enthusiastically as we are able!

    porkopolitan (0462fa)

  107. [...] our education establishments, our financial establishments and our government at all levels. Even the press is involved. Now one of them will do anything to become President of the United [...]

    Know Thy Enemy – Nicholas Fitzgerald (ae5b6d)

  108. porkopolitan – For some reason, the Republicans do not seem willing to fight back. I have no idea why.

    To your point, the coverage by CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NY Times, LA Times, etal could easily be viewed as an “in-kind” donation.

    JD (f7900a)

  109. Why doesn’t the GOP fight back?

    Something to do with being known as The Stupid Party, I suppose.

    AOracle (d30543)

  110. [...] the filters are working overtime, as Patterico demonstrates here: Today John McCain finally began to tell the country about his own efforts to regulate Fannie Mae [...]

    Townhall: McCain’s gotta speak to & for America | The Anchoress (a05f7c)

  111. Looks like this year we are able to choose our candidate not only by his policies, but by thinking, is he a lesser liar. So, voters, defend your choice – who is competing honorably, and who is a bigger liar – Obama or McCain? http://www.votetheday.com/americas-20/presidential-candidates-bigger-liar-282

    votetheday.com (4f79c7)

  112. Re: my suggestion at #105 above. The following is from the link at Drudge to WorldNet’s article.

    Corsi had promised a news conference today that would “expose details of deep secret ties between U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a section of Kenya government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency.”

    Ropelight (36617f)

  113. This isn’t the least bit shocking nor is it new. Nor will it stop.

    Look forward to at least 4 years of pro-Obama media covering for the Messiah and massive censorship on those of us who call them on it.

    Jenn (591013)

  114. [...] But they won’t report. [...]

    A Summary of the Flimflam (7a2640)

  115. Perfectly true and perfectly sad. How the markets really work, a video presentation.

    “What was stupid was not giving a loan to a person without income, job or assets, it was asking at some point what is that house we took a mortgage on actually worth?”

    “Government bailout? No, it’s not rewarding greed and stupidity, it’s saving your pension fund”.

    Watch the whole thing. The quotes above do not do it justice.

    nk (f2ee58)

  116. “What was stupid was not giving a loan to a person without income, job or assets, it was asking at some point what is that house we took a mortgage on actually worth?”

    It was not stupide to give a loan to someone without income, a job, or assets?

    How do these people manage to walk and breathe at the same time?

    JD (f7900a)

  117. “What was stupid was not giving a loan to a person without income, job or assets, it was asking at some point what is that house we took a mortgage on actually worth?”

    It was not stupid to give a loan to someone without income, a job, or assets?

    How do these people manage to walk and breathe at the same time?

    JD (f7900a)

  118. It’s sarcasm, JD. Really, the video is on the longish side but it’s worth watching all the way through.

    nk (f2ee58)

  119. Re: #s 105 & 115, same suggestion, same source.

    “Corsi was to report Odinga’s 2007 presidential campaign strategy called for exploiting anti-Kikuyu tribal sentiments, claiming victory and charging voter fraud even if the campaign knew the election had been legitimately lost. Odinga, Corsi said, also was willing to fan the flames of ethnic tribal tensions and use violence as a last resort by calling for mass action that led to the destruction of properties, injuries, loss of life and the displacement of over 500,000 Kenyans. The purpose was to compel the Electoral Commission of Kenya to declare him the winner or enable him to declare himself the winner by force.”

    Today, Raila Odinga is Kenya’s Prime Minister, and today Odinga’s government silenced Jerome Corsi and kicked him out of Kenya, rather than let Corsi hold a scheduled press conference. This is how Barrak Obama’s political allies operate, exactly like fascists.

    Can the American media establishment duck this blatant censorship? Sure just you watch them do it. That’s what passes for “Journalism” in the good old USA today. Welcome to the Left’s Brave New World.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  120. Ropelight(#115)Corsi had promised a news conference today that would “expose details of deep secret ties between U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a section of Kenya government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency.”
    Drudge is garbage. He has been so often caught lying. Examples: Sidney Blumenthal lawsuit, John Kerry’s alleged intern scandal, Bill Clinton’s alleged illegitimate baby, CNN reporter’s alleged heckling of GOP senator, Oprah and Sarah Palin (from Wikipedia)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Report

    Barry Smith (bc9449)

  121. A federal judge noted in the judgment that Drudge “is not a reporter, a journalist, or a newsgatherer. He is, as he admits himself, simply a purveyor of gossip.
    See “BLUMENTHAL vs DRUDGE”
    http://epic.org/free_speech/blumenthal_v_drudge.html)

    Barry Smith (bc9449)

  122. Yes barry, let’s ignore the truth if Drudge exposes it because we would not want your exalted anointed One exposed for the charlatan lying sack of shit he really is? Federal judge’s have opinions? Who gives a fiddler’s feck? What court- the ninth circuit? jajaja. How many judges are bought and paid for and quite corrupt. That dingleberry lib congressman Alcee Hastings was impeached as a judge and yet is adored by Pelosi who really wanted him to head the intelligence committee of her most ethical Congress ever? jajaja. You libtards have lots of chutzpah…and a chocolate ring around your mouths from dining at Barry O’s heinie, believing in him and his transparent mendaciousness.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  123. Drudge has provided more factual information to the American public over the last 10 years than all the newspapers and broadcast TV news shows combined. He’s one of the few real newsmen left in the profession.

    You, Barry Smith are a complete disgrace to the very concept on reason itself.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  124. UPDATE x2: Upon closer inspection, the new story isn’t “rewritten” — it is a completely new story, by a different author, at the same URL. They sent the first one down the memory hole.

    It never happened. Understand? It never happened.

    It is hardly surprising that the L.A. Times replaced the story before sending the newspapers into print.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  125. A federal judge noted in the judgment that Drudge “is not a reporter, a journalist, or a newsgatherer. He is, as he admits himself, simply a purveyor of gossip.

    Dan Rather was a journalist.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  126. Barry,

    The opinion no say what you think it say. Read it again slowly, to get the big picture, then have your mommy go back with you to help you with the big words.

    nk (f2ee58)

  127. You feel sorry that LA Times reporters are getting laid off? Speak for yourself.

    I hope in the coming years that I get to drive by them and their families eating out of Dumpsters, all the while reminding their kids that Dumpster is capitalized in Associated Press style.

    But that won’t happen – each and every biased liberal journalist will get a job with President Obama’s administration.

    The Hound (56479d)

  128. Has anyone inquired of the LAT morons what they have to say about it?

    Richard Aubrey (e004af)

  129. nk (#129)The opinion no say what you think it say. Read it again slowly, to get the big picture, then have your mommy go back with you to help you with the big words.

    Now you are becoming incomrehensible. Did you learn grammar and syntax in Sarah Palin’s school?

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  130. Now you are becoming incomrehensible. Did you learn grammar and syntax in Sarah Palin’s school?

    Comment by Barry Smith — 10/7/2008 @ 5:08 pm

    Second rule of “I got nothin’” club. If you “got nothin’” and have to resort to a lame grammar dig, at least use a spell checker.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  131. The opinion only decided whether Drudge could be sued in D.C.. Nothing more.

    Learn to read, Mr. Smith.

    nk (f2ee58)

  132. It’s not just a “memory hole.” It’s nacht und nebel.

    Beldar (8e2264)

  133. Pretty hilarious that Barry cites to Wikipedia given how corrupted a “source” that is.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  134. Now you are becoming incomrehensible. Did you learn grammar and syntax in Sarah Palin’s school?

    Truly hilarious – we await the next response from the Troll, something along the lines of “well, you’re just too stoopid…”

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  135. Speaking of economics, how many of you have seen the banned SNL skit about the bailout. It is hilarious. I haven’t been a fan of SNL for years but this is terrific and I can see why NBC is desperate to put it in the same hole that the LA Times story went to.

    Mike K (d8deba)

  136. chicagotribune.com
    With friends like these …
    McCain finds his own radical friend

    Can a presidential candidate justify a long and friendly relationship with someone who, back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology — and who has never shown remorse or admitted error? When the candidate in question is Barack Obama, John McCain says no. But when the candidate in question is John McCain, he’s not so sure.

    Obama has been justly criticized for his ties to former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers, who in 1995 hosted a campaign event for Obama and in 2001 gave him a $200 contribution. The two have also served together on the board of a foundation. When their connection became known, McCain minced no words: “I think not only a repudiation but an apology for ever having anything to do with an unrepentant terrorist is due the American people.”What McCain didn’t mention is that he has his own Bill Ayers — in the form of G. Gordon Liddy. Now a conservative radio talk-show host, Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.

    How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy’s home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator’s campaigns — including $1,000 this year.

    Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as “an old friend,” and McCain sounded like one. “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family,” he gushed. “It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”

    Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn’t disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

    Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history — and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as “a prisoner of war.”

    All this may sound like ancient history. But it’s from the same era as the bombings Ayers helped carry out as a member of the Weather Underground. And Liddy’s penchant for extreme solutions has not abated.

    In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, he gave some advice to his listeners: “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.”

    He later backed off, saying he meant merely that people should defend themselves if federal agents came with guns blazing. But his amended guidance was not exactly conciliatory: Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn’t enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets “Bill” and “Hillary” when he practiced shooting.

    Given Liddy’s record, it’s hard to see why McCain would touch him with a 10-foot pole. On the contrary, he should be returning his donations and shunning his show. Yet the senator shows no qualms about associating with Liddy — or celebrating his service to their common cause.

    How does McCain explain his howling hypocrisy on the subject? He doesn’t. I made repeated inquiries to his campaign aides, which they refused to acknowledge, much less answer. On this topic, the pilot of the Straight Talk Express would rather stay parked in the garage.

    That’s an odd policy for someone who is so forthright about his rival’s responsibility. McCain thinks Obama should apologize for associating with a criminal extremist. To which Obama might reply: After you.

    AH (364f59)

  137. The President of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization for Women endorsed Sarah Palin at Palin’s speech Saturday, October 4. (Available on YouTube)

    You’d think that would be news in Los Angeles, no?

    Try to find the story at the LATIMES.com website.

    Good luck.

    Memory Hole (fa0fb0)

  138. Hey, look! AH can cut and paste! Wow, never seen that trick before!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  139. What’s wrong Dmac, can’t tolerate the facts?
    Perhaps if you would look up some useful information yourself, you could give a more intelligent response.

    AH (364f59)

  140. AH, isn’t it amazing how good, lawabiding and patriotic Liddy looks in comparison to Barack Obama’s terrorist mentor?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  141. AH – Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist, and his actions caused people to lose their lives and their property. Now, apparently you are fine with that in service of Teh One.

    JD (f7900a)

  142. McCain was pathetic in the debate. Repeating ad nauseum I..did. I..can. I…I was his idea of debate. All snap polls show he lost it badly.
    Yeah.. Blame it also on the LA Times

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  143. JD — 10/7/2008
    ONE PERSON DIED – ONE OF LIDDY’S OWN IN AN ACCIDENT. GET THE FACTS BEFORE YOU POST.
    Obama was 8 years old at the time of Ayers actions and has stated his opinion of those actions many times. This is what McCain said to Liddy last November. “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family,” he gushed. “It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”

    Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.
    Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn’t disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

    Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history — and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did,
    And Liddy’s penchant for extreme solutions has not abated.

    In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, he gave some advice to his listeners: “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.”

    Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn’t enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets “Bill” and “Hillary” when he practiced shooting.

    Yet the senator shows no qualms about associating with Liddy — or celebrating his service to their common cause.

    AH (364f59)

  144. McCain and Palin is totally unfit to be in office, sticking the people of Alaska with a bill when she stays in her own home is criminal, plus she tells so many lies to the American people openly as if we are all dumb. Telling everyone that she stopped the bridge to no where is a lie too, she was not even sworn into office when that happened. then their is her husband who wanted Alaska along with herself to leave the U.S. Plus the lie about the plane that she said that she sold on EBay, when all she did was out it up for Auction but was sold through a broker, what a total liar she is and so is McCain.

    McCain is a traitor to our great country, making all those videos to save his own life, what a coward is and was, I guess country did not come first then, he said it himself, he did not love America until he was in that POW camp. As a solider we are trained to escape and to aid other to escape, I guess McCain missed that training, and that part about giving information to the enemy, even if it is false. I am former Army man and an independent voter and I see that there is no honor among McCain and Palin all they know is hate, fear, and racism. When did patriotism come from hate, bile, fear, and racism?

    P (66447f)

  145. Yeah, Obama’s got this election in the bag!

    Governor Tom Bradley (b87509)

  146. AH, P, La … truly remarkable steaming piles you have left around here.

    JD (f7900a)

  147. JD
    Another ‘intelligent’ response from you eh? Educate yourself!!! yup, yup

    AH (364f59)

  148. As long as I never hear the word ‘MELTDOWN’ again, I don’t care who is elected or what the economy does.

    fozzy (a8a329)

  149. I wanted to see Hilary into office instead of a clueless woman who’s only getting interviewed by people for fashion. McCain is old and isn’t as sharp as some people think he is and so is Sarah. I’m sorry but I don’t want anybody into office that holds control to push if it’s not need it. I’m tired of the Bush Policy. Putting those two unstable people into office all they are going to do is follow the Bush Policy because they are both clueless people that don’t think for themselves. They follow by what people tell them. Obama admit when he was with VP running mate. That’s a team that need to be in office. When one is wrong the other will listen and try to make it right. Obama is sooooooooo right when said that it’s time for change because it’s truly is time for change

    CM (3331f4)

  150. I wanted to see Hilary into office instead of a clueless woman who’s only getting interviewed by people for fashion. McCain is old and isn’t as sharp as some people think he is and so is Sarah. I’m sorry but I don’t want anybody into office that holds control to push “the button” if it’s not need it. I’m tired of the Bush Policy. Putting those two unstable people into office all they are going to do is follow the Bush Policy because they are both clueless people that don’t think for themselves. They follow by what people tell them. Obama admit when he was disagreeing with his VP running mate. That’s a team that need to be in office. When one is wrong the other will listen and try to make it right. Obama is sooooooooo right when he said that it’s time for change because it’s truly is time for change.

    CM (3331f4)

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  153. The point is only a perfect cad would leave his wife when she is down and out.

    Yeah! At least Edwards told Hunter she had to wait until Elizabeth kicked, you stupid wingnuts.

    rhodeymark (4f2403)

  154. CM – at least McCain won’t push the button repeatedly, like you.

    rhodeymark (4f2403)

  155. Talking about the economy is different from criticizing his opponent about the economy. Your selection is just that.

    Dave (a7f0d8)

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  157. Maybe what we should be focusing on are the important issues. Like what to call the breakdown of the American economy. Here is a start: http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/10/help_us_brand_this_financial_c_9476.php

    Alyssa (b1123a)

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