Patterico's Pontifications

10/5/2008

Any Argument Against Barack Obama Is By Definition Racist

Filed under: 2008 Election,General,Race — Patterico @ 12:56 pm

Did you know that it’s racist to argue that Barack Obama should not be President?

It’s true!

We know this, because we’re told that:

  • It’s racist to point out the connection between Barack Obama and a white man — who happens to be a terrorist.
  • It’s racist to point out the connection between Barack Obama and a black man — who happens to have run Fannie Mae.

I’m sick of the race card being played whenever someone criticizes Barack Obama. Making the Ayers connection is hardly a racist ploy, but that’s what we’re being told by the AP today. There is literally no argument you can make against this man that will not be countered by cries of racism.

Are you listening, McCain advisors?

I’m told that McCain advisors are reluctant to argue Democratic responsibility for the mortgage crisis, because they might be accused of being racists.

Wake up, McCain advisors. You are already getting accused of racism for making other perfectly legitimate points. Why on God’s green Earth would you hold back on one of the best arguments you can make because someone might play the race card?

Do you people even want to win?

That’s a serious question.

UPDATE: It is apparently also racist, or at least xenophobic, to raise any question about possible illegal foreign contributions to Obama. So says Marc Ambinder.

621 Responses to “Any Argument Against Barack Obama Is By Definition Racist”

  1. Repeating myself from the previous thread,

    JeffG’s spot-on analysis of the racial demagoguery of the Left, particularly AP’s wildly mendacious bit.

    Darleen (187edc)

  2. I think the McCain people are deathly afraid of the race issue and will give Obama a pass on a lot, including Wright and maybe Ayres, because of this. I wonder if any serious black leaders worry about then possibility that Obama will be such a spectacular failure that he will affect racial feeling toward black politicians for decades.
    Shelby Steele seems to be worried.

    Mike K (155601)

  3. You’ll have to excuse me while I go to the dry-cleaners to get my robe and hood.

    AOracle (e6d3fc)

  4. Don’t let those false charges of racism get you down!

    This video about Obama is really funny . . .

    Phil (3b1633)

  5. You mean Thomas Sowell, racist. ;)

    fat tony (f86b83)

  6. The McCain camp has responded to the AP’s accusation of racism. From Hot Air:

    “The last four weeks of this election will be about whether the American people are willing to turn our economy and national security over to Barack Obama, a man with little record, questionable judgment, and ties to radical figures like unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers. Americans need to ask themselves if they’ve ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist, or had a convicted felon help them buy their house — because those aren’t smears, those are true facts about Barack Obama.”
    — Tucker Bounds, spokesman McCain-Palin 2008

    They aren’t backing down.

    Mike LaRoche (6734e5)

  7. This is the best reason to vote against Obama, can we stand 4 or 8 years of being told that every dissenter from the Messiah’s administration is a racist?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  8. “average Southerner”

    Yes, draw a about 40 miles inland from either coast and this is how the Left in NY City/Los Angeles/DC/Frisco sees the rest of the country.

    Keep it up.

    Darleen (187edc)

  9. Phil

    I bet you’ll love this.

    Darleen (187edc)

  10. Obama’s always been the first to screech “racism!” in this campaign, beginning when his surrogates called out Bill Clinton during the Dem primaries. I mean – Bill Clinton, now a racist? If they have no shame in that despicable action, then anything’s and anyone’s eligible for their smear. Change. Hope. Hackery. Cowards.

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  11. Phil – I’ve got another one for you, a prominent black supporter of Sarah Palin offering some fierce prayer on her behalf to counteract the media campaign against her.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  12. You left out the part about how its racist to vote for anyone other Balack Obama. After all, anyone can look at him and see his ultimate qualification for office. He’s just the right shade.

    [I'm not going to delete this comment, because if I do, people may imagine it was worse than it is. However, I will say that I don't approve of calling Barack Obama "Balack Obama" and I suspect all of the regulars here agree. If some leftist comes through this thread nutpicking, I want it clearly on record that I OBVIOUSLY don't agree with taking shots at Obama because he's black -- which is arguably what this commenter is doing -- just as I don't agree with Obama's supporters crying racism at any hint of valid criticism.]

    ccoffer (8e0acd)

  13. I’ve said before that if they’re going to redefine “racism” to mean “anyone who disagrees,” then we should own it. I was told, when I didn’t like Hillary, that I was a self-hating woman and a gynophobe, which is interesting, since I am a woman who has referred to her own vagina as a Guinness-slurping warrior one. Then I didn’t like Obama, so I was a “racist.” I keep hoping Barney Frank will replace Joe Biden so that I can then be called a “homophobe” and win the valuable “haters trifecta” where identity fixations are projected on to others, and the one with the most “anti/phobes or isms” is the winner. I am frantically trying to come up with a way to identify my hatred of Joe Biden’s hair plugs. Doll-hairphobe? Misoplugist? It’s difficult to keep up. As is well known, I hate everybody who isn’t exactly like me.

    The Anchoress (a78307)

  14. In this day, given the reflexive overuse of the word to point that it has lost most of meaning, how much is being called ‘racist’ really going to hurt? Sure, the left and MSM use it unfailingly in their attempts to shut down any dispute they see themselves losing, but when you consider that 90+ of the black vote is going to BHO no matter what, how much can it hurt in terms of the election?

    It has become such an expected part of the ‘conversation’ that even non-political people I know are predicting when the term will be trotted out and seems to be pissing off a lot of them.

    kaz (24ef8c)

  15. It’s racist to use the image of a two black men in an ad on the subject of Fannie and Freddie when the second black man in question had little connection to Obama beyond rumor, and when Obama had a documented and close relation to another figure in the scandal who was white.
    Why not use the white guy? Why use the weaker case!?

    Why use two bimbos who aren’t even on the charts these days? Why not use Obama’s pal George Clooney? They talk on the phone twice a week?
    Remember “Harold Call me!” ? Where the white women at?!
    McCain’s a celebrity. He announced his goddamn candidacy on Letterman.

    Georgia Republican Lynn Westmoreland is right. Obama is
    “uppity”

    Readnek (105b91)

  16. “Why not use the white guy? Why use the weaker case!?”

    Readnek you doorknob, McCain did ads with them both.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  17. Hey, if McCain still can, right up to this moment, sit in front of a news camera and say with a straight, tight, molar-grinding face and that the lipstick on a pig thing truly was a sexist dig at Palin, then bring on the “My Name is Earl” karma. (I predict McCain will launch his own Earl-fixing-his-karma program to try to recover some of the old straight-talk/strong character cred once he’s lost the election.)
    McCain is a racist. McCain is a racist. Shout it loud. It has at least as much substance to it as the lipstick on a pig riff not long ago, probably more.

    Larry Reilly (d11f9a)

  18. Why not use the white guy?

    They did.

    Darleen (187edc)

  19. McCain/Palin ticket is not running against Obama/Biden. They are running against the media.

    David Gagnon (212be1)

  20. Its telling that Obama opted to align and promote himself with being black and immersed himself in the Chicago community therein. It gets totally lost in the narrative that he is equally white. But lost it must be if he is to be able to continually use race as the ultimate weapon. Its effective and once assigned very difficult to overcome or escape from. In our hyper-sensitive all-are-equal culture, being labeled a racist trumps all other accusations, no matter if laws have been broken, no matter how egregious.

    Dana (973491)

  21. To quote myself blogging this morning:

    William Ayers: unrepentant domestic terrorist

    Obama: Ayers associate on numerous projects, possibly dating back as far as 1985.

    What’s “unsubstantiated”? Maybe that word does not mean what the AP thinks it means.

    [The Atlantic] “…Todd Palin’s association with anti-American secessionists is fair game”

    …Can somebody get Todd Palin’s firebombing domestic terrorist mugshots for me? I couldn’t find one.

    tree hugging sister (700823)

  22. Re: the AP gibberish.

    Anyone find a little cognitive dissonance in a article about every criticism of Obama is “racist” but then the democrats say

    “The problem is the messenger. If you want to start throwing fire bombs, you don’t send out the fluffy bunny to do it. I think people don’t take Sarah Palin seriously.”

    Calling Governor Palin a “fluffy bunny” is not sexist?

    Oh, right. It’s not like she is a real woman or anything. Then it’s ok.

    Carry on, my future Liberal Fascist Overlords.

    Darleen (187edc)

  23. Is anyone having trouble getting through to the site today? I am, but I want to know if it’s just me. It might seem a little weird to ask here, since you’re by definition getting through if you can see this, but if it’s been difficult I’d like to know.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  24. Patterico, its been dreadfully slow all day to refresh or pull up comments.

    Dana (973491)

  25. The NObama camp has played the race card from the start, it’s their get out of jail free card. I could care less what color NObama is, he could be green or purple for all I care. I despise him for everything he STANDS FOR, not that fact that he is black.

    Scott (aec137)

  26. Patterico – I’m with Dana. The site is real slow. I also got one error message posting a comment of the kind I got when the site was down.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  27. I’ve had trouble getting through a few times, but usually succeed on the second or third try.

    Also, cleanup on aisle 12?

    fat tony (f86b83)

  28. Petterico, I’m having problems both reading and submitting comments.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  29. Racists just convicted OJ.
    (also had trouble trouble getting onto the site).

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  30. http://mccainpalin.blogspot.com/2008/10/listening-to-obamas-tone-todayhe-is.html

    Listening to Obama’s tone in today’s rally in NC… shows that Obama is afraid that this is going to bring him down, he owns it, because he was linking McCain to Bush the last Month, so The McCain Campaign is shooting back on his links to his radical friends, i don’t know if this is going to bring a win for McCain, McCain is taking a risk, but one thing is sure, That McCain took over the theme and the day, and forced the media to address the issue and report it, and obama to defend himself, rather then talk about his comfortable issues like the economy and health care.

    One thing is sure, McCain has no choice, as long as the election is about the economy he will lose, once he turns in the election on Obama , and makes the Election as a referendum on Obama, he can pull out a win, McCain has nothing to lose, he is anyway not benefiting anything from being presidential, he has to campaign hard ,and attack , attack and attack, it worked against Romney and it can work against Obama.

    jacob (b126bd)

  31. If Obama gets elected President, this will be so awesome! Any criticism of the President or his policies will be called “racist,” or even “hate speech.”

    What a handy way to shut down (perhaps literally) all opposition.

    29Victor (54500d)

  32. To all having trouble posting: The Web has had a lot of slow spots lately. I blame it on “concerned conservative christian” trolls trying to crash Ace.

    no, not THAT Glenn (d37c16)

  33. Mrs. Obama also said that she wasn’t at all proud of America before her husband was nominated.

    Of the two quotes, I don’t know why you go with the less controversial one.

    Daryl Herbert (4ecd4c)

  34. jacob

    McCain cannot…. CANNOT allow Obama to frame the economic problems as the exclusive fault of Republican ideology. Obama is saying “capitalism is the fault, socialism is the cure.”

    We might as well all don little, red babushkas and tend only to our People Owned front porches.

    Darleen (187edc)

  35. I had better sense than to take Mrs. Obama’s “never proud of America until…” remark literally.

    BTW, I’m not voting for Obama.

    Jack (61c916)

  36. Sounds like Redneck and Philth are very, very confident of an Obama win. No indication of panic at all.

    Jim Treacher (671d28)

  37. I’m with you in spirit, Jacob, but commas are not periods.

    Jim Treacher (671d28)

  38. What do you have against commas, they are the most versatile form of punctuation known to man, they fit in everywhere, they are never inappropriate.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  39. Just taking a stab here, anchoress – chaetomoscheymataphobia (fear of hair implants)

    Alice H (079f1c)

  40. hey Mccain:

    If you love this country so much then START TO FIGHT LIKE YOU DO.

    Win – Fight – Do SOMETHING.

    waiting & hoping (499ac8)

  41. Treacher hates commas, he’s a racist

    SPQR (26be8b)

  42. Patterico – Are commas the new black?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  43. If the site is slow, it may be due to the traffic from HotAir, Malkin and AoSHQ.

    Karl (1b4668)

  44. It’s racist to use the image of a two black men in an ad on the subject of Fannie and Freddie when the second black man in question had little connection to Obama beyond rumor,

    So the Washington Post is a rumor now ?

    He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case’s D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.

    Racist.

    Mike K (155601)

  45. Madam Anchoress, it’s clear you are a tool of the patriarchy since you dislike Biden’s hair plugs.

    I’m not sure exactly how, but it has something to do with you internalizing the ideal picture of how a man should look and seeing Biden as lacking in stereotypical masculinity instead of differently abled in the hair growth area. And the fact that I’m unsure about how it proves your inner feelings takes away nothing from the truth of my feelings.

    (Shoot, that was supposed to be obviously over-the-top, but it sounded exactly like some people’s serious writing!)

    MamaAJ (788539)

  46. Readnek writes:

    It’s racist to use the image of a two black men in an ad on the subject of Fannie and Freddie when the second black man in question had little connection to Obama beyond rumor…

    It was not rumor. It was what Raines himself told a reporter for the Washington Post. The WaPo mentioned it twice thereafter with no objection from the Obama campaign — which is very good at complaining to the press about any story they don’t like, even accurate ones. It is a measure of how in the tank the MSM is for Obama that a WaPo “fact checker” would call the paper’s own reporting to be “flimsy,” when they had the story from one of the principal sources.

    When it comes to playing the race card, Readnek, please try to have your facts straight.

    Karl (1b4668)

  47. What do you have against commas, they are the most versatile form of punctuation known to man, they fit in everywhere, they are never inappropriate.

    AARRGGHH! NOOOOOOOO! A comma joining two independent clauses creates a comma splice. One needs to use a semicolon to create a compound sentence or at the very least add a coordinating conjunction after the comma.

    goddessoftheclassroom (815eff)

  48. Treacher will next display his bigotry against apostrophes.

    Readnek has had any facts straight before, Karl, I doubt he intends to improve anytime soon.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  49. I, too, am experiencing slowness, but I assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that it was due to my underuse of commas.

    MamaAJ (788539)

  50. MamaAJ, you use them beautifully and, more importantly, correctly!

    goddessoftheclassroom (815eff)

  51. Comment by goddessoftheclassroom — 10/5/2008 @ 3:35 pm

    SNOOOOORRRRRRRR!

    ****return snark filter to previous, active setting****

    AOracle (e6d3fc)

  52. Comment by goddessoftheclassroom — 10/5/2008 @ 3:44 pm

    Please elucidate to this previously failing English student; but, wouldn’t your previous compliment to MamaAJ be more correct with a semi-colon following “beautifully”?

    AOracle (e6d3fc)

  53. If it’s racist to point out the fact that Obama’s only white friend is a terrorist who called for young people to kill their parents back in the 1970s…then call me a proud racist. If you aren’t a racist, as defined by the Democrats, you are enemy of America.

    j curtis (3c4f3b)

  54. “Hey, if McCain still can, right up to this moment, sit in front of a news camera and say with a straight, tight, molar-grinding face…”

    Mawy must be a girl, for only someone quite young would realize that posting the exact same statement under two different subject headers doesn’t exactly help make your case, inane though it may be. But let’s give her a hand anyway, because she’s our Big Girl now!

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  55. Whenever I’m accused of being racist for disliking Obama, I simply act surprised. “What? He’s white, how can I be racist?”
    Then they splutter and gibber. “No, he’s black! Are you crazy?!”
    “He’s half-black and half-white. You choose to see him as a black; I choose to see him as white. Any argument?”
    And there isn’t one, really. Obama seems like a quantum wave function–his race collapses into black or white according to the observer.

    Flubber (8a171e)

  56. Please elucidate to this previously failing English student; but, wouldn’t your previous compliment to MamaAJ be more correct with a semi-colon following “beautifully”?

    I will overlook your previous snark (BTW, you should have added an “E” to the end of “snore”) to answer your question.

    1. My compliment does not contain a compound sentence, i.e., two independent clauses. It contains compound adverbs, the second of which is modified by an adverb phrase set off with commas for emphasis. I have punctuated it correctly.

    2. Your question should have used an adverbial conjunctive after the semicolon and before the comma or just a comma before the coordinating conjunction “but.”

    goddessoftheclassroom (815eff)

  57. Obama knows racism when he see it; his grandmother was a typical, white person.

    goddessofthecourtroom (259b4a)

  58. Correct grammar, and the discussion thereof, is, as everyone knows, very, very racist.

    /stop me before I comma-ent again

    MamaAJ (788539)

  59. Obama knows racism when he see it; he told us that his grandmother was a “typical, white person.”

    goddessofthecourtroom (259b4a)

  60. Comment by goddessoftheclassroom — 10/5/2008 @ 3:59 pm

    Well, I sometimes use “however” as the adverbial conjunctive, but prefer the conciseness of “but” (I think it’s an “old school” thing)!

    The “E” dropped off of “snore” due to being awakened by the loudness of same.

    As I noted previously, the finer points of grammar were not my shining hour. Thank you, for your help.

    AOracle (e6d3fc)

  61. MamaAJ, the sad thing is that there are liberal professors who sincerely believe that. I, on the other hand, believe that education is the great leveler and the key to opportunity.

    goddessoftheclassroom (815eff)

  62. Important Safety Tip to Obama’s Chosen Ones:

    You will only be able to play the “racist” card against white Americans until the day they collectively wake up in the morning, look in their bathroom mirrors, and tell themselves, “Whoa, I guess I really am a racist. But y’know what? I feel really good about it too.”

    What that “radicalizing moment” comes, all bets will then be off.

    MarkJ (7fa185)

  63. Now Obama has been accused of fathering a black child. He has.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  64. Just think: if W hadn’t used the racist charge of fathering a black child against McCain, then all this mess wouldn’t have happened to the Republican Party. So because racism prevented McCain from winning and Captain Hayseed, well, sucks, the republicans are going to loose.

    Ergo, racism is causing McNap – AND the GOP – to loose.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  65. Now Obama has been accused of fathering a black child

    but, interesting enough, he’s never been accused of impregnating his own daughters.

    Darleen (187edc)

  66. “AND the GOP – to loose.”

    I’m unclear about the nature of this comment – does that mean McCain is of “loose morals” or something of that nature?

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  67. You’re absolutely right Dmac. I should have said “lose” rather than “loose.” Excuse my spelling.

    Psyberian (37b2ae)

  68. Just making a little joke there (yes, very little).

    Dmac (cc81d9)

  69. This more than anything else is a major reason why minorities do not advance as far as they should in the country. Anytime there is the slightest criticism of them many of them yell racism and lawsuits follow quickly. McCain and Palin will be viewed as racists just as Hillary and Bill were viewed as racists because it is racist to run against the Obamanation and heaven forbid if you win, they you deserve to burn in hell for eternity.

    eaglewingz08 (013c81)

  70. You’re tired of the “race card”? CRY ME A RIVER!!!

    I’m 61 years old and I’ve been black every one of those years. You want to talk “tired” give me a ring.

    David Ehrenstein (06e7fb)

  71. McCain should make points in rapid succession on Ayers, foreign campaign donations, Rezko, Fannie Mae. Obama comes back with “racist” each time. Eventually, the public discounts any charge of racist.

    Make Obama and his campaign overplay the race card.

    Indythinker (4ed262)

  72. chaetomoscheymataphobia – okay. I have that. Obviously, I need all sorts of health care insurance to deal with Joe Biden’s hair plugs. Thanks, Alice!

    The Anchoress (a78307)

  73. I wonder if any media source will ask Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton whether this is racism and, if so, what they will say?

    DRJ (c953ab)

  74. Why isn’t McCain running ads showing what Jeremiah Wright said? People have forgotten about Obama’s crazy preacher for 22 years.

    http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/10/04/would-you-vote-for-president-for-a-man-who-belonged-to-the-kkk/

    Indythinker (4ed262)

  75. Response to comments #31, #41 and #71:
    I sure hope the McCain campaign reads this blog (and Hot Air and AoSHQ)–there sure are some good strategy ideas out here!

    Kathy from Kansas (161f4b)

  76. Response to comments #31, #41 and #71:
    I sure hope the McCain campaign reads this blog (and Hot Air and Ace of Spades and Gateway Pundit)–there sure are some good strategy ideas out here!

    Kathy from Kansas (161f4b)

  77. Desperate.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  78. Desperate.

    Well, what’s Obama supposed to do, run on his record?

    Jim Treacher (671d28)

  79. It is MUCH worse to be a communist/terrorist than to be a racist. So they call everyone a racist. So I am one, by their account. So there.

    Now that that is out of the way, I won’t stop point out BHO’s flaws. What will they do now?

    Liberals are [derogatory term deleted] (68e96b)

  80. Desperate and silly. That’s what you are all turning into. Poor losers, whining over nothing. But go ahead and bring out all the dirt you can find on Obama. I would love to read them. That is, those which are true. No more lies. Just the truth.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  81. Lovey, what are your thoughts about Obama’s connection to Ayers? Do you think they have been associated? Do you think they have worked together? Do you think Obama respects Ayers? Do you think Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist?

    What do you think the truth is about this issue?

    Pablo (99243e)

  82. Fun stuff

    Calling the Anti-Defamation League, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, and other defenders of Jewish people against slime artists of all political persuasions:

    Sean Hannity’s Fox News Sunday night kitchen-sink sewer job on Barack Obama, complete with a sound-track cribbed from C- porn flicks, features prominently, as witness of Obama’s iniquity, one Andy Martin, “author and journalist,” and, though not identified as such on Fox News, perennial political candidate in four states.
    The Washington Times:
    In 1986, when Mr. Martin ran as a Democrat for Connecticut’s 3rd Congressional District seat under the name “Anthony R. Martin-Trigona,” his campaign committee filed papers saying its purpose was to “exterminate Jew power in America and impeach U.S. District Court of Appeals judges in New York City.”

    And I’ll top that off with some more of Palin’s lies

    Readnek (105b91)

  83. Sorry here’s the link

    “In a New York bankruptcy case, he referred to a judge as a “crooked, slimy Jew.” During the bankruptcy dispute, he filed a civil-rights lawsuit claiming Jewish bankruptcy judges and lawyers were conspiring to steal his property. He asked a court to bar “any Jew from having anything to do with plaintiff’s property.”

    I love Fox.

    Readnek (105b91)

  84. Clean up in aisle 80.

    Readnek, when you catch up to Biden’s lies, then we’ll pay attention to you. Not sooner.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  85. #82
    Pablo, what has Bill Ayers got to do with this election? Do you have incriminating evidence, linking him with Obama? Does Obama support what he did in the 70s? Is there some secret dark story about these two men I know not of? Please spill it. I am all ears! ( Or eyes).

    love2008 (1b037c)

  86. Desperately seeking Sarah.

    papertiger (2731e5)

  87. Lovey, Bill Ayers has to do with Obama’s judgement and his political philosophy. Now, since I’ve answered your question, please answer mine, as follows: Do you think they have been associated? Do you think they have worked together? Do you think Obama respects Ayers? Do you think Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist?

    4 questions. Expand if you like, but yes/no answers are perfectly acceptable.

    Pablo (99243e)

  88. I am utterly amazed to know how supporters of Obama expect their candidate to transcend race when they cannot accept any criticism without saying that it’s motivated by race. This is a dirty game they are choosing to play and such a manipulation of facts will bring nothing good to this country.

    Using “race” to shut people up is also a lot like the tactic of “getting in their faces”. Shut down debate and free speech is called a bullying tactic. That certainly is not change and it does not lift people to be their best.

    The Obama campaign and supporters will be SHOCKED when the results of this election prove that they were not as far ahead as they thought, that their candidate’s sordid past and lack of experience were overlooked and that the media lied to them about how perfect their man was thought to be.

    pjean (0b5bf6)

  89. Africa is generally considered to be the cradle of mankind. In honor of that generally accepted supposition, I believe that it would be fitting for all Americans to self designate as true African-Americans for the next month.

    So, speaking as an African-American, I must say that I am appalled at the type of people with whom my African-American (and Christian, I must add) brother, Barack Obama, has consorted since a very early age. Perhaps he was bearing witness to the socialists, communists, terrorists, racists and felons who appear to have filled his life but I must admit some reservations concerning the probability of that being true.

    Unless my dear brother Barack can provide a believable explanation concerning his relationship with the white devil felon Tony Rezko, I fear that I must cast my vote for John McCain. My African-American roots forbid me to do otherwise.

    Rick Ballard (14757e)

  90. Quid pro quo:

    Do you have incriminating evidence, linking him with Obama?

    The evidence isn’t incriminating of anything, but it is probative of a long, close association. Not quite as tight as with Rev. Wright, but they burned through $150,000,000.00 together, at the very least.

    Does Obama support what he did in the 70s?

    He says he doesn’t and I see no reason to dispute that. But Ayers is more than the Weathermen’s acts of war. Obama may denounce the acts, but Ayers doesn’t. His mindset hasn’t changed. He’s just stopped trying to blow shit up. And Obama respects him. That raises legitimate questions.

    Is there some secret dark story about these two men I know not of?

    Obama would like it to be secret and dark, hence Action Wires and Truth Squads trying to squelch and public discussion of the Obama/Ayers/CAC/Woods Fund association. But it isn’t secret and dark. Stanley Kurtz is telling it best, having reviewed the record, despite great effort to cut him off and shut him up.

    Pablo (99243e)

  91. Interview with Bill Ayers

    Two years old.

    Obama’s “Fact Check” on Ayers

    Obama respects this guy. And he won’t say otherwise. All he’ll say is that he denounces the violence.

    Pablo (99243e)

  92. Readnek @84 – Is that guy related to Alcee Hastings or Cindy McKinney?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  93. Pablo – Don’t forget the Rathke/SDS/Ayers/Weathermen connection.

    Rathke went on to found ACORN for whom Obama worked, then trained their leaders. He also used their shock troops in his election campaigns in the past and has paid them at least $800,000 in this campaign. ACORN is a serial election fraud violator and has also been involved in the current mortgage mess. Obama sued Citicorp on behalf of ACORN in Chicago in the 1990s on redlining type issues. Rathke also runs a chapter of the SIEU. Nice incestuous relationships the Messiah has with odd ducks. Klonsky, a Woods grantee was also a SDS and Weatherman member I believe.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  94. #88
    Pablo, to answer your question,
    1) Do you think they have been associated?
    Yes. Just like McCain and the Keating 5.
    2) Do you think they have worked together?
    Yes. Just like any two people that happen to find themselves working in the same place.
    3) Do you think Obama respects Ayers?
    Yes and no. For being a fellow human being, yes. For his actions, no. He has already denounced them.
    4) Do you think Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist?
    Yes. He said so himself.
    So, now answer my question. Is there any incriminating evidence linking these two men? Can I see it?

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  95. 1) Do you think they have been associated?
    Yes. Just like McCain and the Keating 5.

    And what happened there? What did McCain do there? What does he have to say about it since?

    2) Do you think they have worked together?
    Yes. Just like any two people that happen to find themselves working in the same place.

    They didn’t simply happen to be there, they chose to be there. Twice. Woods and CAC. They volunteered together.

    3) Do you think Obama respects Ayers?
    Yes and no. For being a fellow human being, yes. For his actions, no. He has already denounced them.

    Nice dodge, but no sale. Obama has denounced the violence, and only the violence. He still respects the man and his philosophy. He respects Ayers infinitely more than he does, say, Sarah Palin.

    Is there any incriminating evidence linking these two men? Can I see it?

    There’s plenty of evidence linking them, though I don’t know that incriminating is an appropriate word choice. No one has suggested that they’ve done crimes together. But they are clearly fellow travelers. Obama’s first campaign was launched in Ayers’ house ferchrissakes.

    I’d suggest that you read some Kurtz. If you’d like to rebut him, feel free. But I’m wondering whether you think it was appropriate for the Obama campaign to send out a notice asking people to scream him off the air. If there’s no story here, why try to shut him down?

    Pablo (99243e)

  96. the sad reality is, is that you could tell an obama supporter that he raped a 14 year old when he was in his late thirties and they’d dismiss it……they are THAT desperate to win the white house.

    comes as no change for them…they dismiss every “fact” about their people….probably because to them truth is relative (which explains their issues with honesty, since its subjective….google clinton finger wag).

    they dismiss charges and re-elect crack-smoking prostitute hiring mayors. they dismiss charges and again vote for men on trial for corruption and racketering as in the case of congressman “cold-case” jefferson.

    and of course they dismiss and re-elect drunken kennedys who decide to park their cars at the bottom of a lake killing their female passengers.

    no standards. none!…they are the whining juvenile child-like party

    STEPH (ce4f40)

  97. love…it’s about political and social philosophies, the ones that Ayers and Obama share….it is a socialist/Marxist philosophy, one that I don’t agree with….

    But, you do, and I understand that….it is what makes you wrong about Obama, but, I do understand…

    reff (4ba5a7)

  98. mcwhine is a loser and palin and her sescessionist anarchiist hubby do not have a leg to stand on !!!!!!!!!!!!

    andrea from foxboro, MA (8f04e7)

  99. it is also racist to criticize community organizers

    p (fbf248)

  100. “No one has suggested that they’ve done crimes together.”

    There is a rather interesting point concerning the matching funds and the Annenberg Challenge. There are letters addressed to Brother Barack from foundations with which he was associated making what appear to be declarations of redesignation of already committed funds in order to potentially defraud Annenberg into providing matching funds.

    Typically “matching funds” refers to “new” money raised. Brother Barack is quite clear in his solicitation that designating money already committed to similar efforts as being directed to CAC is acceptable to him.

    I’m sure the fraud statute has run but the letters speak for themselves. Brother Barack is a very crooked man even when he purports to have been working on behalf of others.

    Rick Ballard (14757e)

  101. MEDIA BIAS ROBS AMERICANS OF THE TRUTH
    … NOW, AP IS UNFARILY PLAYING THE RACE CARD

    The media’s continual bias in favor of Obama is not only disgusing, it’s against everything that America, a Free Press, and Freedom of Speech stands for. To suggest that there is no media bias in favor of Obama not only robs Americans of the truth, it insults the intelligence of the American people.
    TALK IS CHEAP … CHECK OBAMA’S RECORD !!!
    A candidate’s track record, and associations are always a legitimate issue when running for President. Let’s take a look at the qualifications, judgement, and experience of Obama, who is running for President. Obama had 25 years to fulfill the potential he displayed as a rising start at Harvard Law School … and, how did he live up to that potential? … He chose to align himself with anti-American racist, Jeremiah Wright for TWENTY YEARS … along with Ferrahkan, Rezko, Ayers, and others. As a community organizer, he registered thousands of voters in Chicago … then, when he ran for the state legislature, he took away their votes, by disqualifying his opponent (a black woman) on a technicality. As a U.S. Senator, he voted present 160 times … he never called a meeting on the Afghanistan committee he chaired (although he NOW says we must shift all our military from Iraq to Afghanistan). He claimed Foreign Policy experience from a 9 day whirlwind photo op to 6 countries. And, he spent almost half of his tenure neglecting his responsibilities as a U.S. Senator, so he could run for President. Senator McCain served America honorably for 22 years in the military. He proved his love for America, as well as his honor, integrity and character, by refusing early release as a P.O.W., even while being tortured. He served America as a ‘contributing’ U.S. Senator, working across the aisle, for 20 years. If Obama’s Twentyfive year track record shows he lacks judgement, and can’t be trusted, who cares what he says about Health Care and the Economy! What Obama never learned is Character. He simply can’t be trusted … ask Jeremiah Wright, a friend of 20 years, who Obama betrayed for personal ambition … and, you Obama supporters really think he won’t betray you If he gets elected??? If he gets elected, you Obama supporters will be facing a HUGE disillusionment !!!

    HOWARD (f14f31)

  102. readnek wrote:

    It’s racist to use the image of a two black men in an ad on the subject of Fannie and Freddie when the second black man in question had little connection to Obama beyond rumor,

    It wasn’t rumor when the Obama-friendly Washed-up Post put it in print in July and the B.O. camp didn’t report it as a “smear!” until the McCain ad mentioned Raines.

    and when Obama had a documented and close relation to another figure in the scandal who was white.

    Why not use the white guy? Why use the weaker case!?

    Try to keep up, boy. You’re draggin’ behind!

    Let’s go back two weeks, when you were apparently on Zwinky.com or something. Hours after Karen Tumulty of Time ragazine’s blog had a cow about the Raines ad, the McCain campaign released an ad about Johnson. She said the same things you did, and wouldn’t admit it wasn’t racism even when it became clear it wasn’t.

    And you probably won’t admit it either.

    Why use two bimbos who aren’t even on the charts these days? Why not use Obama’s pal George Clooney? They talk on the phone twice a week?

    You’re referring to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, of course. I am not in the McCain camp, but I can guess: to diminish his standing as a towering political figure. I thought the ad was amateurish, but the McCain camp’s approach was correct; the “Celeb” ad got in Barry’s head.

    Remember “Harold Call me!” ? Where the white women at?!

    This is how silly you race hustlers are. You bring in a reference to a 1973 movie (Blazing Saddles) which used the n-word before it became controversial (Norman Lear used it all the time on his TV shows All in the Family, Sanford & Son, The Jeffersons, etc.) to refer to a light-hearted NRCC ad that marks many significant policy differences between Ford and Republican Bob Corker, one of which was blunting Ford’s rightward pandering (Ford recently had aired an ad he shot in a church) with the disclosure that he was “palling around” with Hugh Hefner and his ilk.

    In the 55 year existence of Playboy magazine, there have been less than 30 black Playmates. The chances that a man like Harold Ford Jr. — well-connected, attractive, intelligent, and potentially Senator — would have only sought the attention of black chicks at such an event are infinitesimal.

    And by the way; it’s always liberals who bring up stuff about mixed race relationships. In 1988, Dems tried to make GHWB into a racist because a mic caught him referring to Jeb and his Hispanic wife’s children as “the little brown ones” as he pointed them out to an acquanitance on a tarmac.

    L.N. Smithee (cddba2)

  103. Some optimistic analysis of polling trends here. Read it all.

    Evil Pundit (843b74)

  104. There’s a great article about John McCain at Rolling Stone Magazine. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

    Original Maverick (c01d10)

  105. ok what about Mcain’s Camp playing the SEXIST card with Sarah Palin.. you can’t question her credentials because its SEXIST..

    Danielle (9787af)

  106. Patterico: re. comment 12,

    I understand your reason for keeping the comment with a prominent disclaimer, but it IS worse than you think. “Shade” is a slur for “black”.

    fat tony (f86b83)

  107. love2008, you’re so in tune with Axelrod’s spin of the day! Keating 5 is another example of how honorable Mccain is. He explicitly asked the agency in question not to do his donor any favors. He was explicitly exonerated of any wrongdoing by hostile witchhunting democrats. If you think Keating is going to harm Mccain, you’re crazy.

    Keating and his lackeys were democrats. And they led Mccain to realize he had to become a reformer. Most Mccain supporters already know about Keating as the impetus behind Mccain becoming a great Senator.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  108. Why is the McCain camp afraid to tell the truth about Barack Hussein Obama(can you imagine telling someone from another country that Barack Hussein Obama is the President of the United States?) Tell the American public who this guy really is, and what he is all about!! Can someone possibly listen to the teachings of Rev. Wright for 20 years, and truely say they haven’t been influenced by his teachings, or beliefs? What is wrong with the American public today? Electing Barack Hussein Obama to the Presidency could be compared to electing Osama bin Laden to the Presidency. I can’t believe that ABC, NBC, and CBS, all support this liar. All I can say is that America is really going down the tubes! What happened to our value system? I would imagine that the likes of George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln, are rolling over in their graves! Let us hope that the American people come to their senses over the next month! God Bless America, even if Barack has a difficult time saying it.

    douglas g. devers (8a16ee)

  109. The Senate Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn and McCain’s involvement in the scheme was minimal and dropped the charges against them.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/law/corruption/history.html

    With public hearings looming, the bipartisan panel – three members from each party – split over whether to follow the urging of its counsel,

    Robert M. Bennett, that the case against McCain and Glenn be dropped. The committee Democrats resisted, and McCain has long insisted they did

    so because he was the sole Republican among the five and they feared that a pared-down ”Keating Three” would be recast as a Democratic

    scandal.

    To be sure, the record shows that McCain did less for Keating than most of the others, and abandoned Keating the moment he learned there

    might be criminal charges against his friend. The Senate Ethics Committee gave McCain, along with Senator John Glenn, the lightest of

    reprimands, saying they displayed ”poor judgment” for going to two meetings with banking regulators.

    http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Pluck_leaks_helped_senator_to_overcome_S_L_scandal+.shtml

    In November 1990, the Senate Ethics Committee convened to decide what punishment, if any, should be doled out to the Keating Five.

    Robert Bennett, who would later represent President Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones case, was the special counsel for the committee. In his

    opening remarks, he slammed DeConcini but went lightly on McCain, the lone Republican ensnared with four Democrats.

    “In the case of Senator McCain, there is very substantial evidence that he thought he had an understanding with Senator DeConcini’s office

    that certain matters would not be gone into at the meeting with (bank board) Chairman (Ed) Gray,” Bennett said.

    “Moreover, there is substantial evidence that, as a result of Senator McCain’s refusal to do certain things, he had a fallout with Mr.

    Keating.”

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/mccain/articles/2007/03/01/20070301mccainbio-chapter7.html

    In a confidential report submitted to the committee on Sept. 10, the special counsel, Robert S. Bennett, concluded that there was not

    adequate evidence to merit a full-scale investigation of John Glenn, an Ohio Democrat, and John McCain, an Arizona Republican, several

    officials said.

    Only Republican Under Scrutiny

    If Mr. McCain is dropped from the investigation, the political implications could be significant: He is the only Republican under scrutiny,

    and Republicans could portray the scandal as a Democratic one.

    There is disagreement among the panel members on whether to accept Mr. Bennett’s recommendation, according to the officials, who said this

    was holding up a vote on the matter. The panel has met at least three times since Mr. Bennett made his recommendation more than a week ago.

    The last meeting was on Thursday.

    People close to Mr. Glenn and Mr. McCain said they were concerned that the initial inquiry had dragged on for several months without

    committee action and that this was causing undue political damage.

    For months, there have been persistent rumors that Mr. Glenn and Mr. McCain would be dropped from the investigation before the November

    elections. Some Congressional aides close to the case say the two Senators were not as deeply involved with Mr. Keating and cut off their

    ties with him earlier than the others did.

    But supporters of Mr. McCain have complained privately that they believed that because of political concerns among Democrats, the Ethics

    Committee was unduly sluggish in acting on whether to drop the Senator from the inquiry.

    ”The evidence is clear,” said a supporter of Mr. McCain. ”There’s no impropriety, no misconduct. There’s a stall going on.”

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE4DA133EF93AA1575AC0A966958260

    Barry (f397dc)

  110. I’m a firm believer that “the people you associate with are a great reflection on the person you are (character).” What if Barrack Obama is a terrorist and/or has terrorist tendencies? Since 9/11 we (Americans) have identified many American-born citizens who have fought along site the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and killed many of our Military Heroes. Their neighbors, friends, family, and colleagues have never imagined that these individuals would be terrorists. How do we know that Obama is not one in disguise? Are we willing to take this chance America? Please say no.
    Barack Obama, has no record, questionable judgment, and ties to radical figures like: Terrorist: William Ayers
    Terrorist: Pastor/Rev. Jeremiah Wright
    Convicted felon: Tony Rezko
    Fannie Mae Accounting Fraud and Obama campaign donor/advisor: Franklin Raines

    How many more of these types of people are there in his closet? Let’s reveal who his foreign campaign donors are? Could it be organizations funded by Osama Bin-Laden, Mullah Mohammed Omar, or President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? I think we (Americans are taking a big change of voting for Obama Bin-Laden.

    Ziki (1fa022)

  111. I’ a black American and I don’t think Palin’s statement about Obama’s affiliation with Terrorist William Ayers has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with “racism”. It’s just the media puffing things up.

    Ziki (1fa022)

  112. I bet Obama would be way ahead of McCain if he was white.

    Kayla (8763c0)

  113. Kayla, I assume you’re being sarcastic.

    Obama clearly would not be anywhere near where he is today were he not black. His resume is trumped by even John Edwards’s. As is his rhetorical skill.

    It’s great that a black man is doing this well. I love that about America. I just don’t like Obama’s policies.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  114. Giving Up
    There are different kinds of ineptitude. There is an ineptitude in policy-making and then there is an ineptitude in articulation/communication. I share this writer’s frustration as expressed in the words “Wake up, McCain campaign!”
    To me, Obama/Biden doesn’t deserve to win, not only because of the litany of lies they’ve indulged in against McCain (not to mention the free pass they’ve gotten from the press), but because of the ineptitude and guilt of their party in the history of this financial meltdown (also “not to mention” the fact the Obama will become the Democrat’s Rubber Stamp in the White House).
    However, if the McCain campaign and the Republicans in general insist on remaining as appallingly inept as they’ve been so far in articulating what’s going on here… well, I guess they deserve the defeat that now looks inevitable.
    One can only sit in front of the television saying, “Come on, come on already! Say it, nail it, confront it!” for so long… and then one stops caring. McCain has frittered away our caring quotient. He is buying his own defeat.

    Ken Sears (05486a)

  115. Sorry for you guys – frustrated neo-cons staring at defeat in this election.
    Do you seriously think the semi literate nonsense you spew in this blog would make any difference?
    Wish you four years of utter despair seeing a Black man running this country and proving to be the best presidednt since FDR.

    Barry Smith (729fbf)

  116. Barry Smith:

    Perhaps you are aware that the Axelrod riff of the day is Keating 5.

    YESTERDAY was the day where you were supposed to tell us the polls make Obama invincible and make grandiose gloats intended to demoralize GOP voter turnout.

    It’s amazing how so many trolls come in here and say the exact same thing in the same little window.

    I think it’s also kind funny that you called us all racists who won’t be able to bear a president because of his skin color… when it’s already documented that it’s the democrats 1/3 of whome can’t vote for a black man. Do you really think they didn’t also ask Republicans? They would have announced it if the GOP had a similar racism…

    Honestly, if Obama is a great president (and we know nothing about him given his thin resume, so I guess it’s possible), then I will be delighted. I would love to see this country have a universally loved president. But more great presidents aren’t criminals. Obama’s CAC behavior was criminal, and he consorted with Rezko, a criminal, and Ayers, a confessed terrorist who got off thanks to a (valid) technicality. I’ll also note that I’ve read a lot of Obama’s writing (about Obama, of course), and he’s not exactly free from racism.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  117. Juan
    If Obama is all that you say how come nearly half the whites are supporting him – not to say the overwhelming majority of Hispanics and Asians?
    Sorry. There will be no swiftboats this time.

    Barry Smith (af88ce)

  118. I think you missed the point, or else you purposely sidestepped it. It’s racist when Palin and McCain claim that Obama “is not like the rest of us”. Clearly, their intentions were racist.

    Marc Hansen (34b9b7)

  119. If Barak Obama were not black, he would not have won the democratic primary. If he were white, he would be a John Edwards redux, without the successful law practice, and a minor player at best.

    At least John Edwards has actually helped some people, by winning for them.

    Jack (d9cbc5)

  120. 118

    People are supporting Obama because the media has done such an incredibly poor job of vetting him. This has been done on purpose because the media knows he cannot win if the truth is known.

    It’s time for the truth to be known. Obama has no accomplishments, no plans that hold up to close scrutiny and associates with undesireable individuals.

    Drop the swiftboat line…you are embarrasing yourself. Kerry was a liar and got caught. The same will happen to Obama.

    roger (85af55)

  121. If he had started his political career in Hitlers house, I’d be calling him a NAZI too…

    A white domestic bomb throuwing terrorist…

    Let me say it again…

    A white domestic bomb throuwing terrorist…
    (HOW MANY DO YOU KNOW?)

    DocJohn (2e8a9a)

  122. Roger, Since you are uninformed on obama’s accomplishment, I thought that you might want to take a look at few of the accomplishment’s of our next president.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=274_1203549099

    As for his plans for this country I suggest you visit obama’s website, adn mccain’s website ad judge for yourself.

    It does appear racist to me when the only reason some people give for not voting for obama is b/c he is black and america isn’t ready for a black president. I have never heard anyone say they were not voting for a candidate b/c he was white.

    janelle (7cc17c)

  123. If you guys don’t think this race is about race, you are crazy. It’s real very real. Try driving through a white town being black, Try walking pass a older whie lady and watching her get nervous. Try being told you talk well for a blak man. There are many other incidents. The fact is in the past it did not have to be hidden. Now it does. People don’t change like that. It’s there you know it’s there most of you guys don’t define it right. We live it every day. I am truely hurt that some of you guys wont vote for him because it, but not surpised.

    james (105487)

  124. What’s frustrating is that while Democrats and their MSM accomplices twist any criticism of Obama into some kind of racism, the attacks on Sarah Palin (often by the same people) are overtly sexist. Check out any Hollywood event, washed-up rocker concert, or HuffPo or Kos post and you will witness the most detestable misogynistic attacks on Palin.

    Then when you call them on it, they have the nerve to look surprised and come back with the defense, “I oppose Palin on her issues, not on her gender!” Well, then why can’t Obama opponents be against him on the issues too, and not his race!?

    Infuriating!

    http://VocalMinority.typepad.com
    Jewish and Republican?? Oy gevalt

    EricTheRed (2390f5)

  125. The examples the writer of this column gave are not examples of racism. However, the words the McCain/Palin campaign use are carefully chosen. When Palin says Obama was “palling around with terrorists”, she is trying to conjure up images of Obama “palling” around with islamic extremists. Also, saying that he doesn’t see America like the rest of us, can be viewed as having racist subtexts. I find it hard to believe that Palin would make that statement if Obama was a white governor from Arkansas.

    John (991f52)

  126. (Boo Whoo) The Republican scary tactic’s aren’t working. (BoooWHOOOwhoo) We can’t use the reverse racist card. (BOOwhoobooWhoo) Why can’t we lie our way back into the WhiteHouse. (Gasp)He said, “Whitehouse”, he must be a racial, racist, liberal, sexist, Obama, Ayer’s, fanatic. That, (Palin accent)Hate America… Get back to the issue of getting America back on track.

    i'm a maverick too (ce26be)

  127. I approve your dismissal of commentsthat were openly racist; I wish your objections to valid charges of racism had v=been equally valid.

    Miande (815566)

  128. James, are you seriously delusional?!

    The media is in the tank for Obama.

    A good majority of Americans is in the tank for Obama?

    If any criticism is leveled at Obama, expect the wrath of 100 screeching Obots. Yet, sexist remarks against Sarah Palin are perfectly acceptable.

    I’m sorry, but I am tired of you brainwashed fools and the MSM pulling the race card whenever you feel fit to do so (and I say this as a black woman, so don’t pull the “I’m racist” bit on me!) The more you cry wolf, the more REAL instances of racism will go ignored in the future.

    NO, this race is NOT about race. It is about an overly narcissistic puppet and his puppet masters trying to run this country to the ground. WHEN YOU WILL GET IT?!!!!!?!

    You people make me so sick!

    Vanessa (ec8e1d)

  129. James, are you seriously delusional?!

    The media is in the tank for Obama.

    A good majority of Americans is in the tank for Obama.

    If any criticism is leveled at Obama, expect the wrath of 100 screeching Obots. Yet, sexist remarks against Sarah Palin are perfectly acceptable.

    I’m sorry, but I am tired of you brainwashed fools and the MSM pulling the race card whenever you feel fit to do so (and I say this as a black woman, so don’t pull the “I’m racist” bit on me!) The more you cry wolf, the more REAL instances of racism will go ignored in the future.

    NO, this race is NOT about race. It is about an overly narcissistic puppet and his puppet masters trying to run this country to the ground. WHEN YOU WILL GET IT?!!!!!?!

    You people make me so sick!

    Vanessa (ec8e1d)

  130. James, are you seriously delusional?!

    The media is in the tank for Obama.

    A good majority of Americans is in the tank for Obama.

    If any criticism is leveled at Obama, expect the wrath of 100 screeching Obots. Yet, sexist remarks against Sarah Palin are perfectly acceptable.

    I’m sorry, but I am tired of you brainwashed fools and the MSM pulling the race card whenever you feel fit to do so (and I say this as a black woman, so don’t pull the “I’m racist” bit on me!) The more you cry wolf, the more REAL instances of racism will go ignored in the future.

    NO, this race is NOT about race. It is about an overly narcissistic puppet and his puppet masters trying to run this country to the ground. WHEN YOU WILL GET IT?!!!!!?!

    You people make me so sick!

    Vanessa (ec8e1d)

  131. You don’t have to be a misogynst to be put off by Sarah Palin. Fact is, Male Female or Neuter, she is a dunce.
    Hillary Clinton was the brightest of all who aspired to this year’s Presidency. So don’t call me sexist

    Barry Smith (b529ce)

  132. You don’t have to be a misogynst to be put off by Sarah Palin. Fact is, Male Female or Neuter, she is a dunce.
    Hillary Clinton was the brightest of all who aspired to this year’s Presidency. So don’t call me sexist

    Barry Smith (b529ce)

  133. This is truely classic. The economy is in shambles, so now republicans want to “turn the page” to flimsy Obama associations. Please note, republicans…this will NOT work. You all aren’t going to do anything outside of: 1. MAYBE getting some fringe support that won’t really swing things in your favor, and 2. More than likely upsetting FAR more of the electorate than will jump to your side.

    You all shouldn’t forget that those who are inclined to believe your ‘we can’t criticize Obama or else we’re racists!’ dribble are ALREADY voting for McCain! The remaining “undecideds” I can assure you will be looking at where the candidates stand on the ISSUES. Not that you all care, but the DOW is now UNDER 10,000! This is not good for America (or the world markets). So it’s real nice to see that republicans are choosing instead to focus on Obama as opposed to this in-your-face CRISIS currently unfolding.

    Yea, THAT’S gonna be the ticket to win this election.

    You guys are OVER…and it’s time you re-think your approach to america.

    Me314 (001d00)

  134. Barry Smith, the comment you made at #116 above shows that your interest here is to annoy people who refuse to be silenced by fatuous charges of racism. Your smug condescension, insults, and silly name calling prove it.

    You offer nothing of value. You support Obama because he’s black and you presume to know the future too. That’s pretty arrogrant, even for a juvenile racist blowhard. Yes, I called you a racist because your own words show you for what you are, a smug overbearing racist. You should apologize and make a goodfaith effort to conduct yourself with honesty and integrity. But, somehow that’s not how I expect you to resopnd, now is it?

    Ropelight (1be620)

  135. I think that racism is alive and well and will always be… Not only against blacks, but for all minorites. It is something that is in peoples minds. Its the way you feel, view, and think about certain things. I just don’t like the B. S. excuses people use to cover up their racist views. If you feel a certain way about another race let it be known at least that way I can know who hates me, and stay away from you.Hate it or love it Barack Obama is the next president of the United states, and the The U.S. has finally gotten their Comeuppance… Slavery did indeed take place in case you forgot!!!

    t (601f7d)

  136. Barry Smith the Troll wrote: Hillary Clinton was the brightest of all who aspired to this year’s Presidency. So don’t call me sexist

    Nope. You’re lying, Barry Smith. You’re a misogynist and you know it. You hate women. You don’t really believe that Clinton was the brightest. You’re just lying about that to CYA.

    How do I know? I can tell by the way you put all your posts in bold type. That’s what misogynists do.

    Oh, and since I know you misogynist liberal trolls hate this: ;)

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  137. 136 t- so how does it feel to have your head stuck up the affirmative action/inexperienced/marxist/terrorists-felons-racists loving dickwad Obama’s asshole? Vote for him because he’s a brother? No doubt you can be part of his hate whitey brownshirt crowd of crack smoking/women impregnating/no responsibilities/ culturally criminal/educationally ignorant/barry hussein fellating/unwashed/bling wearing underclass of mutant NWAs. You should be ashamed of yourself, but pussies like you prefer blaming others for their own inadequacies? How many stupid women have to knocked up and abandoned? How does it make you feel that one of your heroes actually was found guilty? We know you’d give Obama/Wright/OJ/Ayers/Dorhn/Mikey Jackson et al a pass every time. Do enjoy your perpetual residence amongst the dingleberries dangling from baracky’s heinie hole. btw, I am not guilty of an ad hominem attack, because it is all true. Look in the mirror you dumbass enabler.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  138. “The economy is in shambles.” Yes, it always seems to be around this time every 4 years. The Democratic majority has had plenty of time to do something. They’ve only mangaged to sit on their laurels until the economy is at the breaking point. I can live with 4 years of BO, but not 2 more years of a lame, pork barrelling Congress. If BO and the Democrats can’t resurrect the economy, it’ll be 1994 all over again.

    TW (ac0e90)

  139. T

    Let me spell it out for you once more:

    THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT RACE!

    Don’t state the obvious either. Yes, there is existing racism! Yes, we still have battles to fight. However, you cannot use the race card to always cover up legitimate concerns about Obama! You just can’t!

    Who _is_ this man?

    What the hell has this man accomplished as a Senator?

    What were the results of his community service?

    Why the hell does he associate with all of these shady characters?

    WHY CAN’T YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL THAT NOT EVERYONE WHO CRITICIZES OBAMA IS RACIST?! So what do you call people of color, like myself, who are equally critical of Obama? Sellouts? Traitors?

    Vanessa (ec8e1d)

  140. So much anger here. :(

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  141. Well what do we expect, Obama has nothing else but his race, example if he were white would he even be in the election……OF COURSE NOT

    Eric (4fc15a)

  142. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HAS REACHED THE WHITEHOUSE, thats what this election is about, Id rather have another QUALIFIED black man like Colin Powell or a woman like Condelezza Rice….examples so Im not judged as racist….its a cop out and a crutch

    Eric (4fc15a)

  143. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HAS REACHED THE WHITEHOUSE, thats what this election is about, Id rather have another QUALIFIED black man like Colin Powell or a woman like Condelezza Rice….examples so Im not judged as racist….its a cop out and a crutch

    Eric (4fc15a)

  144. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HAS REACHED THE WHITEHOUSE, thats what this election is about, Id rather have another QUALIFIED black man like Colin Powell or a woman like Condelezza Rice….examples so Im not judged as racist….its a cop out and a crutch

    Eric (4fc15a)

  145. It is racist for you to say Obama got to where he is because of Affirmative Action. That is also an insult. He got there through responsible and well executed campaigning. He was simply favoured to be the one on the ticket, by the majority. This is what democracy is all about. But if you want to bring race into it, go on. Knock yourself out!

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  146. I am voting for Obama not because he is black but because he understands the stuggle of the middle class people. He lost his mother to cancer and so did I and she couldnt; afford health insurance or life insurance after she retired, McCain isnt trying to help the middle class at all. So, for all of you talking about being racist. America is racist and will always be..

    james holder (7f1f8e)

  147. All of you people need to focus on the state of America and stop worrying about some damn race card, because if things keep up like this all races are going to be in the same boat Suffering and struggling u think not, you better wake this is not a game its a serious matter.

    Anthony (6b9be6)

  148. These are fake comments, right?

    No one seriously thinks that Bambi’s team isn’t playing the race card, right?

    steve miller (0fb51f)

  149. Need I remind you how incredibly and overtly racist you all are?

    JD (f7900a)

  150. So, for all of you talking about being racist. America is racist and will always be..

    Speak for yourself … might want to get that sheet bleached first.

    Racist

    JD (f7900a)

  151. So many racists on one thread. Wow!

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  152. “The Democratic majority has had plenty of time to do something. They’ve only mangaged to sit on their laurels until the economy is at the breaking point.”

    TW – That’s not entirely fair. They’ve held a heckuva lot of show hearings trying to pin shit to Republicans. They just haven’t advanced much in the way of legislation addressing the problems of the country.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  153. #147-
    Yes, baracky was quite the loving prodigal son and yet he couldn’t bring himself to visit dear mater on her death bed. Given that Obama managed to attend all sorts of fancy private schools growing up and paid for by his grandmother mostly, why is it that Obambi’s various lovers, husbands and such were unable to assist?

    Please tell us just how Obama ever helped anyone, other than his rich cronies? Obama made his $$ and even earmarked money for his lovely wife with the big ass’s employer so they could afford to give her a $100+ k raise so she could continue to send potential clients who were desititute to other hospitals, sparing her own the expense.
    What did your hero accomplish with the $150 million Annenberg Challenge dough? What thievish friends of his fed at the trough there?
    How come Obama’s efforts with public housing for poor blacks resulted ONLY in his fat ass developer friends padding their own pockets and the intended recipients of supposedly decent housing got figuratively sodomized instead? Riddle me these questions assclown Obama voter?
    Why do you come here with your lame ass arguments? Very poor polemical effort on your part as an astroturfer. What worries you? Dipshit love2000BC says Obambi has the election in the bag. Do you think socialized medicine will actually improve health care? Seems like it is really fucked up for many Canadians in any case, but I supposee you buy lardo Moore’s “Sicko” propaganda also?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  154. #147, Obama doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about the middle class, he despises the middle class, all Marxists do, it’s part and parcel of their dogma, their own exclusive boogyman. You know, what they call the “bourgeoisie.” That word is code for “middle class,” has been since day one.

    Marxists came to the conclusion they would never get their way in the USA because the middle class, the bourgeoisie, was just too darn big, and wouldn’t get out of the way. You see, Marxist’s want to organize the working class to overthrow the social and economic elite, but the middle class keeps getting in the way of their utopian dream world.

    So, Saul Alinsky came up with a plan: Fool the American middle class into voting for stealth Marxist candidates. Tell the gullible fools anything and everything they want to hear, but once their usefullness is over, why, give them that old time religion, Marxism, and reeducation camps, and bread lines, and secret police, and the right to vote in one-party elections.

    That’s why Obama wants to play down his close connection to Bill Ayres and to Saul Alinsky. Obama’s well on his way to the White House, and all he has to do is avoid being outed as a Marxist cat’s paw. You’ve been had, james.

    Ropelight (36617f)

  155. Go Patrick!

    Comment by baldilocks — 10/5/2008 @ 2:11 pm

    RACIST!!!! :)

    /sarcasm

    Cassandra (6f0d0c)

  156. LOL…it amazes me how people come up with some of the most idiotic things to say about Obama. Is it sexist to inquire about someones foreign policy experience….is it sexists to dig into a candidates background to determine if she abuses power….is it sexist to use a lipstick term that not only the opponents top of the ticket used but also the bottom? You ask about racism…John McCain voted AGAINST making Martin Luther King Jr. birthday a national Holiday…Racism in America is so rampant and people such as yourselves like to live in this bubble and deny it. Ask yourself why Obama had trouble with white women who supported Hillary…who some have now gone to McCain when Obama and Hillary 99% of the time mirrored each others vote when McCain and hillary RARELY voted the same way….and for the record….some of you should really STOP lstening to lies from McCain about what he will do for you, Especially women and soldiers….I have looked at the voting records for 03, 04, 05, the years before John McCain and Barack Obama decided to run to see what their votes were like then….Obama ALWAYS voted for equal pay for women, better healthcare for soldiers while they are enlisted and when they come home…..to my surprise(not so much as for women because he DID say that women just need additional training) but definitely on the soldiers…..he voted against these bills….the catch…..everyone he voted against was to be paid for by closing tax loopholes….McCain is in bed with the corporations…always has been and always will. And if he is elected I feel sorru for the women and soldiers, the children of america and the middle class, because it has become evident this man will say and do ANYTHING to be president…Its funny he voted against many bills for women but then turned to a woman when he was down in the polls…and women are saying the republican party cares….Please….they care about one thing.,…The White House…Sarah Palin is going to become obselete if he is elected…he’s not taking advise or giving her real duties because he doesn’t respect women…..WAKE UP….he will turn his back on you in the end….Look at the record people…its free, it accesible to the public. For the record I am Black and I was going to vote for Hillary because I wasn’t just going to vote for a black man because he was black…the election was too important for that so I went and did the research and looked at the voting records and realized that Obama and Hillary were always right on top of voting in favor of women and the middle class, disaster victims, our soldiers…I love hillary but she lost points with me with soem of the comments during the primaries and THAT’S why I am voting obama….do the research looka t the votes then you won’t have to try and figure out who’s lying and whose not…you will know the truth…I wouldn’t trust John McCain to tell the Truth if GOD Himself had asked him for it.

    Obama/biden08-2016 (39bd11)

  157. I did not grow up going to the church I go to and not beleive what I was taught. So try to tell me that Obama went to Rev.Wright’s church for 20 years and did not beleive and support his teachings. Obama is a RACIST in sheeps clothing and if elected the costume comes off.

    pickyvicky (cc55ee)

  158. Palin lacks experience, so does Obama

    Both belong to groups historically targeted for discrimination

    Palin/Clinton endured sexist attacks, Obama endures racial ones

    There’s no denying the racism and sexism that continue to exist in this great country, but there’s also no denying many intelligent statements involving a woman and/or black man have NOTHING to do with sexism or racism.

    Why can’t we all agree both candidates push the envelope to see what they can get away with (throw in some ageism there, too)? It sucks, and I wish they’d all stick to the issues, but that’s never been politically expedient, has it?

    What’s worse, both McCain and Obama promised earlier that they wouldn’t stoop to negative attacks on character and questionable, borderline “whisper campaigns” and the like. Both have succumbed to politics as usual, with Palin/Biden cheerfully playing along. Only the American people lose at this game, Republican, Democratic, or otherwise….sigh.

    Beyond the Palin (3ab57d)

  159. so you are fine with fact that the lamestream media has no desire to ever properly vet Obama? His past is off limits as are his despicable associations? Bob Bennett who was part of Clinton team said there was nothing on McCain with the Keating Five. The media has no interest in exploring whatever Obama did with Annenberg while workinga longside Ayers. Media is fine sending legions of lawyers to sort through Palin’s trash in Alaska but ignoring anything negative about the Anointed Shithead. Obama worshippers really are quite happy that their leftist associates in the media are in the tank for Obamatard.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  160. If one says anything about Sarah it is called sexism, and Mr. CoCain is trying to stirr up racism. He brought in Goofy to be his campaign running mate after saying that Obama did not have experience, what experience does she have on a national level? Less than a newborn baby and she can only speak on what John CoCain tells her to say. She does not have enough brains to speak what she really feels, but has a script not a thought of her own. She does not even know Mr. Obama so how can she say anything about him? I can coach a child to say the things that she is saying and cause it to believe a lie, yet she calls herself a christian. That is not christian at all, it is the devil that is the accuser just like John CoCain and Mrs. Sarah Palin have joined forces with.

    Anthony Harrell (171a50)

  161. Harrell, that’s pretty hilarious. You compared Obama – the top of the Democratic ticket – with Palin – the VP – in terms of experience.

    And you are right, that’s the real comparison. Unfortunately, Obama is the one that suffers in comparison.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  162. This Obama supporter is not sure where all the racial bellyaching is coming from. I haven’t heard anything from the Obama camp. Could they be the same people that cried about Obama’s camp being sexist for saying unkind things about Gov. Palin? How dare they play both sides of the fence? Sure let’s roll out Wright and Keating. Then let’s criticize Michelle Obama and call up McCain’s first wife that he dumped after her accident for the the rich, drugged up former beauty queen. Typically, when someone claims cries I am not racist or this isn’t racist …

    BigTrev (532ebf)

  163. I wonder if the military guys and gals have any preference between a white and black Commander in Chief? War Veterans speaks loud for McCain, but their voice are muffled and don’t get any media attention…hmmm isn’t that prejudism? Yes! It is! How about polling the military who wins their vote? The media doesn’t seem interested in those who favors McCain! Prejudice!

    Republican (ac56f0)

  164. is there any polls out there for the military, who will they vote for to be the next Commander in Chief?

    Republican (ac56f0)

  165. Racism in America is so rampant and people such as yourselves like to live in this bubble and deny it.

    Maybe in your world. And amongst Democrat primary voters …

    closing tax loopholes

    This is one of the new Baracky catch-phrases. Maybe you would care to define these loopholes for us. The ones that will magically pay for the billions, if not trillions in new spending Baracky has proposed.

    Mr. CoCain is trying to stirr up racism.

    Good one. Cute. How is Sen. McCain trying to stirr up racism?

    JD (f7900a)

  166. I love how the anti-Obama movement tries to scare the undecideds with the terrorist “connections”. Since the muslim terrorist connection did not work so well let’s change it to Christian terrorist connection to Rev. Wright. Next we can throw in this other guy he knows who was bombing stuff when Obama was 8 … yep he had to have been involved at 8 right? Pardon me I mean Wright?

    BigTrev (532ebf)

  167. BigTrev, you can’t seem to get any of the arguments correct. So what you have done is just give us crude misrepresentations that don’t even rise to full strawmen.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  168. Your third time might be the charm Big Trev.

    Don’t get discouraged. We’re used to you libs fumbling around when you try to make sense.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  169. On the question of white or black commander-in-chief and where the military vote will go …

    I suspect that the soldiers will vote the way they voted in 2004… for the candidate with real military experience or for the one doesn’t.

    BigTrev (532ebf)

  170. get a reality check JD

    « Someone Finally Said It | Main | Negotiating North America »

    April 15, 2008
    Barack Obama, Hugo Chavez, and Code Pink Funding
    Melanie Morgan, writing in her weekly column at WorldNetDaily, and Catherine Moy in a special report for Human Events Online, highlight new FEC reports that reveal one of Barack Obama’s campaign fundraisers (specifically a bundler) is an active supporter of Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez and Islamic militants. (Joe Wierzbicki, via email)
    Code Pink Funds Barack Obama, AND has connections to Hugo Chavez, from Human Events

    Jodie Evans, co-founder of the radical anti-war group Code Pink has “bundled” more than $50,000 for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, and pro-troops groups are demanding that he return the money. Evans and her son, a student who lives at her Southern California address, each also gave the maximum individual allowable donation of $2,300 to Obama’s campaign. [snip]
    Evans sat on the board of directors of the Rain Forest Action Network (RAN), a coalition of capitalist-hating environmentalist groups. The co-founder of RAN also founded the violent and radical Animal Liberation Front, which the FBI listed as one of the largest domestic terrorism threats in the United States.

    The FBI reported that RAN and the Earth Liberation Front committed more than 600 criminal acts and racked up $43 million in damages over seven years.

    Melanie Morgan has more on “Barack’s terrorist-sympathizing fundraiser”

    And again, we were reminded that the man who adored Rev. Jeremiah Wright – he of the “God damn America” school of uniting – is the same man who today calls for the surrender of U.S. troops to the forces of Islamic jihadists. [snip]
    Someone who hasn’t been absent from the pews of the church of Obama-mania is a woman named Jodie Evans, who happens to work for the anti-American group Code Pink.

    Code Pink has been in the headlines recently for their campaign of “counter-recruitment” where military recruiting centers here in the United States have been violently attacked by “peace” thugs.

    Code Pink’s treasonous behavior on foreign soil has been equally disgusting.

    The organization traveled to Iraq to give $600,000 in aid to what they called “the other side” so they could resist Coalition Forces. The “other side” is a euphemism for Islamic terrorists. But remember, according to the worldview of Barack Hussein Obama, these terrorists have nothing to do with the jihad that’s been declared against America.

    Republican (ac56f0)

  171. Yeah, right! Ask yourselves this question…

    Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t put his hand on his heart when singing the United States of American Pledge and Anthem?

    Republican (ac56f0)

  172. Republican – I do not know why you addressed that to me, but after reading your diatribes, I would prefer to not associate with you.

    JD (f7900a)

  173. Republican, your 172 is an argument against Obama. Your 173 is the weak stuff.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  174. It amazes me how engrossed we, as a nation, are becoming in whether or not someone is a “racist”. There are more important issues at stake here. I for one would like to hear less backstabbing, name-calling and finger pointing and more serious plans for how we, as a nation, are going to
    1. get our collective asses out of this major financial crisis we are currently in. Spending millions and millions of dollars on a war that should have been over a long time ago is outrageous. We send millions of “support” to other countries, but can’t even help our own people here. Our law makers just recently voted to bail out Wall Street. If I ran my household like these idiots are running Wall Street I wouldn’t have the government there to bail my ass out! Where is their accountability? Why bail them out? Take the $700 BILLION and give it to the people that truly deserve it! The working class! The people that are out there day after day busting their asses to make ends meet and not always succeeding!
    2. find a way to ease our need on foreign oil and turn to other resources. I for one don’t like the idea of drilling in Alaska for the crude oil that is there, but if it means that our gas prices go down then I’m for it! We have oil reserves that Prseident Bush has hinted at touching when there was the possibility of a hurricane putting a crunch on the production coming out of the Gulf Of Mexico. Why keep them in reserve? Give us affordable Hybrid cars that the “little” guy can afford!
    3. come up with a truly workable comprehensive healthcare plan for EVERYONE! I fall in that “middle class” specification and find it difficult to get healthcare that is affordable. Medical bills are outrageous not to mention the cost of dental care and vision care for myself and my daughter!
    I truly don’t want to hear the candidates turn into kindergarteners for the next month! Personally I don’t see that EITHER candidate has proven to me that they can run this country of our successfully! I want an ADULT in the Oval Office, not a couple of five year olds that never learned how to play well with others.
    I am voting this November, and I’m sending a message when I do. I am a Democrat, but this year I and my fiance are voting Independent!

    If the Democrats and the Republicans want our votes back then come up with solutions to the problems we have. Solutions that will TRULY work! Don’t give us answers that you think we want to hear just to get our votes.

    Fed up in Oh (b092ad)

  175. O.K. SPQR – but still 172 and 173 is connecting-the-dots

    JD, i bloops, it was meant for Big Trev

    Republican (ac56f0)

  176. Fed up in OH, “give us affordable Hybrid cars” ? What the hell does that mean? That sounds so “Democratic” to believe that government “gives” you “solutions”.

    This nonsense about sending “millions” to support other countries but claiming that we “can’t even help our own people here” is ridiculous. Our foreign aid is actually a tiny fraction of the social spending that this nation already spends every year.

    Where does this silliness come from?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  177. SPQR

    Where does this silliness come from?

    Axelrod, the Baracky campaign, and Chairman Dean

    JD (f7900a)

  178. JD, and here I thought it spontaneously came from manure like fungus.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  179. Nope. Those are mushrooms.

    JD (f7900a)

  180. JD, fed on BS and raised in the dark … are mushrooms?

    And here I thought it best described Obama’s cultists.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  181. BUBBLES WILL EVENTUALLY BURST” – BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IGNORAMUS SUPPORTERS WILL BURST (and i’ll be happy to burst their bubbles)

    Obama caught asking Iraq to delay troop pull out
    By Leo on September 18th, 2008

    Cross posted from Leaning Straight UpOK, I admit that I am no fan of Obama, but that is a matter of policy and ideology.

    Now I have cause to dislike him personally, and I may official upgrade him to scumbag.

    Via Hot Air:

    Amir Taheri accuses Barack Obama of interfering in the attempt to negotiate a status-of-forces agreement with Iraq while making his trip to Baghdad in July. In his New York Post column Taheri quotes the Iraqi Foreign Minister, on the record, telling him that Obama tried to convince the Iraqis to end the negotiations and instead ask the UN for another one-year extension to the current mandate. That would have left US troops in current position for another year, but more importantly, would have provided the US a diplomatic setback that Obama could have exploited on the campaign trail:

    WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

    According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

    “He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.

    Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops – and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its “state of weakness and political confusion.”

    Hypocrisy isn’t the issue here; it’s the interference of Obama in military and diplomatic affairs. Just on diplomacy, interfering with the United States in its diplomatic efforts is a Logan Act violation. Interfering with war policy treads on even more serious ground, especially since the primary motivation appears to be winning an election without regard to whether it damages our ability to fight the enemy or drives wedges between us and our ally, the elected, representative government in Baghdad.

    I disagree. Hypocrisy is an issue, it is just not the only one. Obama has been pandering to the nutroots all this time about wanting to bring the troops home and end the war, and here he is trying to extend it.

    Classic.

    But even more disturbing is what this says about the man who would be CIC, and what he thinks about the military he may command.

    His disdain and disregard for their lives implied by this horrible act of counter diplomacy is disgusting.

    And the fun part, his campaign confirmed it:

    Glenn Reynolds takes a close look at Barack Obama’s response to Amir Taheri and doesn’t see any daylight between them. Yesterday, Taheri accused Obama of attempting to derail a status-of-forces agreement between the US and Iraq by telling the Iraqis to wait until after the American elections and stop negotiating with the Bush administration. Obama responded by essentially confirming Taheri’s account:

    In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal.

    “He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview, according to Taheri. “However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open,” Zebari reportedly said. ….

    Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”.

    In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said..

    Which is exactly what Taheri wrote. Barack Obama went to Iraq and interfered with the diplomatic efforts of the elected United States government, in a war zone no less, by telling the Iraqis to stop negotiating with the President. How exactly does that make Taheri’s column untruthful?.

    It wasn’t enough for Obama to fail at forcing the nation into a defeat in Iraq when he opposed the surge. Now he has interfered with our efforts to stabilize Iraq and provide for its security after the surge succeeded in keeping Iraq from falling into a failed state. And when he got caught working for failure and defeat, he tried making it into a smear against John McCain..

    That’s not leadership America needs from a Senator, let alone a President. The Senate should investigate this as a gross violation of the Constitution and the separation of powers between the branches of government.

    Obama has effectively just committed a violation of the Logan Act, and has also violated the Constitutional provisions for separation of powers, something someone who is hailed as a constitutional scholar should know.

    And in doing so, he could have put the troops lives on the line for his own selfish ambition.

    Obama claims to represent the culture of change.

    All I see is yet another disgusting politician who hates the Military and wants power at any cost.

    Republican (ac56f0)

  182. When I said “give” I meant to find ways for automakers to produce Hybrid cars that are more affordable to the “working class” not just the “upper” class. I would love to be able to drive one of the Hybrid cars out on the market, but with a job that pays me $10.00 an hour and only 40 hours a week, I have very little left over to save for a more environmentally responsible car. Do you have the money to buy one?

    As for helping people here? My mother worked her whole life to make a life for my brothers and I and did a wonderful job of it. However, what does she see coming back from the government for her lifetime of hard work? She is at the poverty level for income while illegal immigrants are receiving double what she does and they haven’t worked in this country a single day! Is that Fair?

    Present us, the American people, workable solutions to our current problems here in the United States, not a mouthful of rhetoric.

    Fed up in Oh (b092ad)

  183. It was not intended to make sense just as many of your arguments against Obama do not when they are personal and/or illogical. Talk about the tax plan or lack thereof. How about his energy plan? How about the fact that he was never in the military? But terrorist? Black vs. white issues? Most of us think in color but there is more to it.

    Point is … make up your minds.

    Is Obama a Christian who has followed the radical Rev Wright or a muslim terrorist or maybe he is a Christian terrorist with muslim aspirations. Now I see on this site the Rev. Wright is also a terrorist. Hmm … times they be a-changing.

    BTW did not know I was a liberal. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Guess I better stop supporting bans on gay marriages. Guess I better not support keeping God on the money and putting Him back in the schools. Guess I better stop taking my kids to church and paying my tithes too(that would 10% of gross pay based on my interpretation of the Bible).

    BigTrev (532ebf)

  184. Fed up in Oh, maybe the expense of a Hybrid is a clue that it is not as “environmentally responsible” as you’ve been deluded to believe.

    You want to be “environmentally responsible” ? Buy a used car and maintain it carefully. You’d save more energy by doing that than you would save driving a new Hybrid for many years.

    Americans know how to get “workable solutions” – create them themselves instead of waiting for government to save them.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  185. BigTrev, you are making up stuff – that’s why your comments make no sense.

    Obama does not have an “energy plan” – just a list of ludicrous platitudes.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  186. Fed up in OH,

    The year was 2004 when speaking for the DNC, Barack Hussein Obama said:

    We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.”

    …and yet, why is he not respecting the American Allegiance to The Flag of the Rupublic?

    (Google: obama flag sulute)

    Republican (ac56f0)

  187. Fed up in OH,

    I for one want to promote “One Nation Under God” accross the States and not separatist, but I will not allow anyone disgrace the country I love!

    Republican (ac56f0)

  188. Magic mushrooms, SPQR. The kinds that the Baracky trollbots obviously consume, by the pound.

    Talk about the tax plan or lack thereof. How about his energy plan?

    Problem is, Trev, Baracky’s campaign rhetoric, and his actions as a legislator, do not really resemble each other. In fact, when he was not voting present, many of his votes are in direct opposition to his current “plans”.

    But terrorist? Black vs. white issues?

    If Bill Ayers was not a domestic terrorist, what would you suggest we call him?

    Black vs. white issues? Go ask the post-racial post partisan Baracky about that. Did you know he was black? And has a funny sounding name? And doesn’t look like those people on our currency?

    JD (f7900a)

  189. One last post to make and peace out \o/

    Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin, presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he
    doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

    According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171, During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.

    As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might
    salute it
    .”

    WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!! Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this could possibly be our next president. I, for once, am speechless.

    Republican (ac56f0)

  190. “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might
    salute it.”

    Is there a reliable source for this?

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  191. “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might
    salute it.”
    Is there a reliable source for this?
    Yes there is. The Republican LIE MACHINE !!
    Please see
    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=0DC14DF6-3048-5C12-0035AB25C1048717

    Barry Smith (875f40)

  192. Look folks, look at the Electoral Map. Red states are falling like dominos. North Carolina today. Indiana tomorrow.
    Race is passe. And so are the tarnishing brushes. Bottomline. We do not want another eight years of Republican rule.

    Barry Smith (875f40)

  193. that video of the stupid rednecks was not funny, it was really sad..to think people actually think that way is really sad. You would think they could get television out there..wouldnt ya’ll.
    Go Obama!!

    another Souther bell (71f46d)

  194. That is the first honest thing about Obama & racisim that I’ve read. They are hiding behind his skin color like a shield. Everybody is so afraid of being called racist that they go along. That’s why he won the caucus’s but not the regular elections.

    Alice (a9e2e4)

  195. Race is passe. And so are the tarnishing brushes.

    If that is the case, why do you and your fellow travelers bring it up incessantly?

    JD (f7900a)

  196. JD,

    I don’t think we will agree on some things regarding the state of race/racism in today’s society.
    However, I would imagine that we might agree on that this strategy will backfire on the Dems for a variety of reasons – some good and some bad – but the overall is a net negative for Obama’s election chances.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  197. VOR – If you and I are in agreement on this, the Earth must have stopped spinning on its axis ;-)

    If it is a net negative, why do you think Baracky’s campaign peddles in this, constantly?

    JD (f7900a)

  198. Please quit with your faux outrage over cries of racism. Only a black man would have millions of people believing he’s a muslim, America-hating, terrorist collaborator. Half of you have probably used racial perjoratives in reference to Obama, in polite company of course. Denying the impact of race in this election is asinine and disingenuous. If Obama were any white guy he’d be leading the inept and unstable McCain by 10-15 points.

    workingclasswhiteguy (e776dd)

  199. workingclasswhiteguy is exactly the type of troll I was referring to, VOR.

    Please quit with your faux outrage over cries of racism. Only a black man would have millions of people believing he’s a muslim, America-hating, terrorist collaborator. Half of you have probably used racial perjoratives in reference to Obama, in polite company of course.

    Quit projecting, asshat.

    Racist

    JD (f7900a)

  200. JD,
    It is their argument of last resort to deflect from the Ayers/Wright connections because reasonable voters will deduce that these connections have to do with judgment. I think that they are hoping the Republicans will respond defensively as they tend to do with statements such as “democrats are really the party of racists” “look at who Bush appointed for SecState”, “sharpton, jackson” etc.
    If the GOP falls for the trap they begin to sound insincere and whiny thus losing the argument. They tend to fall for this trap but the reasons for that is a discussion for another time.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  201. So, JD, you’ve never heard anyone call Obama a n****r? I heard it from no less than 4 people at work the other night. One of them said he was going to assasinate him. I was also called a n****r-lover. All in a nice middle class suburb of Cincinnati, OH. McCain himself obviously considers Obama an uppity negro. He’s had it out for him since he arrived in the Senate. The disrespect he showed in the debate was alarming. Oh well, what can you expect from an angry and unstable old man who’s barely holding it together? My guess is his head explodes tonight.

    workingclasswhiteguy (e776dd)

  202. So, JD, you’ve never heard anyone call Obama a n****r?

    Nope. Never. Actually your words are the closest to actually doing so that I have seen. Congrats.

    I heard it from no less than 4 people at work the other night. One of them said he was going to assasinate him. I was also called a n****r-lover.

    Proof of what? That you have an active imagination. That you work with racists?

    McCain himself obviously considers Obama an uppity negro.

    Obvious? Maybe to you. I would like for you to explain this, since I do not see that.

    He’s had it out for him since he arrived in the Senate. The disrespect he showed in the debate was alarming

    This should be fairly easy for you to document. Ironic that Sen. McCain reached out to Baracky to work across the aisle early on in his career, and it was Baracky that retreated to the cover of his party.

    Oh well, what can you expect from an angry and unstable old man who’s barely holding it together? My guess is his head explodes tonight.

    Unstable and erratic are the talking points. Get them right.

    My guess is that you have problems typing your drivel while jerking the gherkin with the Left hand.

    JD (f7900a)

  203. Race is passe. And so are the tarnishing brushes.
    JD says (#197)
    If that is the case, why do you and your fellow travelers bring it up incessantly?

    Who started this thread? Please see the title.

    JD says(#204)
    My guess is that you have problems typing your drivel while jerking the gherkin with the Left hand.

    Finally it comes to plain abuse. Doesn’t it? That’s exactly the problem. You Republican zealots (not the ordinary republicans) always show your culture in the end.

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  204. Yeah JD, I guess you’re right. Those people I work with are just figments of my imagination. Nobody calls Obama a n****r, there are no racists, and we live in a utopia with clouds of cotton candy. Millions of people aren’t going to go to the polls in November and vote against their best interests because they harbor racist views and irrational fears, fed by the right wing demagogues of the internet and talk radio. What’s your deal? Nobody’s implying that you’re a racist, but to discount the role of racism in this election displays utter naivete. As for active imaginations, interesting that you choose to think of me gratifying myself. Who’s projecting now?

    workingclasswhiteguy (e776dd)

  205. As opposed to the likes of you and workingclasswhiteguy and harpy and the rest of your ilk, who are pure of body, mind, and spirit, because you support Teh One? Give me a break.

    JD (f7900a)

  206. Nobody said racism does not exist. I just questioned the veracity of your anecdote, which is altogether too convenient for your “argument”.

    Millions of people aren’t going to go to the polls in November and vote against their best interests because they harbor racist views and irrational fears,

    The unintended irony of this is too much for me.

    JD (f7900a)

  207. RACIST?…

    There is nothing more Racist than the OBAMA campaign.

    GIVE ME A BREAK…. He went to an all Black CHurch that is a proponent of overthrow of the perceived white gov’t.

    He promissed Affordable College for everyone… but look back at his primary speech outside of Pittsburg… when a white girl stood up and called him on that very subject. SHe is 21… she has been married 2 yrs, and she has a 1 yr old son… She is a MOMMY! Her dad lives on the west coast (2000Miles away) and her Mom lives in Houston (1100 Miles away)her Mom is using gov’t aid to raise her other two children (so is of no help). SHe is MARRIED with her own child and her own husband…. they are trying to make ends meet to raise their own child. She wants to go back to school and better herself and get a career…. However, Her dad (who has a new family in calif – with 4 step children) makes 75K…. so she is not eligible when they fill out the fafsa…. YEPPERS…. She asked him.. YOU said that you will make college affordable for all of us- What can you do to help in my situation….. HIS REPLY: I will do nothing for that situation…. I cannot help you! I watched that tape a dozen times.. because it pissed me off. It was during his speech/town hall meeting outside pittsburg the week before the Penn Primary. LOOK IT UP!
    SO his college being affordable for all only includes those that are what????…. YEAH! FIGURE IT OUT! IF there was ever a situation that cried out for college assistance that is it!

    Oh yeah and the RACIST campaign has a “Typical white” person as a grandma…. and of course us “Typical white” people are all afraid to walk by a black guy on the street (HIS WORDS).
    I am not afraid.
    WHO are these “ALL” Children must be afforded college?

    CHARLES (fc98ad)

  208. JD, you have to remember that there are some strange strains of humanity living in Cincinnati:
    Charles Keating came from Cincinnati;
    Larry Flynt came from Cincinnati;
    and, let’s not forget all of those whaks on WKRP!

    Perhaps in the coming years under the Obambi administration, we can get a grant to establish a nation-wide string of clinics for “Racists Anonymous”? I’m sure we’ll get a lot of referrals from various HR and social groups.
    Should be a growth industry in a depressed economy.

    Another Drew (d30543)

  209. OBAMA IS A RACIST.ANYONE WHO DOES NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA IS CONSIDERED OUT OF TOUCH,AND A RACIST. OBAMA IS NOT THE ANSWER…SO ALL YOU BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING OBAMA, JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK,AND BECAUSE YOU SO DESPERATLY WANT MARTIN LUTHER KING DREAM TO COME TRUE,OBAMA IS NOT THE RIGHT BLACK PERSON,I’AM SICK OF OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD EVERTIME SOMEONE QUESTIONS HIM.OBAMA MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING.OBAMA HAS NO MORALS OR VALUES.MAYBE OBAMA CAN GET A PREACHER JOB AT HIS OLD CHURCH, WHERE JERIMIAH WRIGHT PREACHED. OH… AND DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW COME YA CAN’T FIND ANY MORE WHITE SHEETS TO BUY IN STORES???
    NO WAY..NO HOW.. NOBAMA.. GO BACK TO KENYA WHERE YOU WERE BORN…DON’T TURN YOUR BACK ON THE AMERICAN FLAG.

    MEGAN (4501ad)

  210. Try to enjoy the rest of the time until November 5th; when McDumbass announces his retirement and Idiotic Palin runs back to Alaska with her pitbull tail between her legs while Obama is sworn in as your President with Biden beside him.

    Now go drown in your puddle of hatred!

    bigDave (349f42)

  211. I really do not like ALL CAPS !!!!!!!

    AD – I am thinking that if workingclasswhiteguy actually heard an assassination threat against Baracky, he should not be talking about it on here, but rather, should be contacting the Secret Service.

    But, we all know it was just making shit up.

    JD (f7900a)

  212. bigDave – You really showed us. Ouch, that hurt.

    JD (f7900a)

  213. JD

    As I often say: “Capslock – cruise control to ‘cool’”

    Scott Jacobs (2899a7)

  214. OBAMA IS A RACIST.ANYONE WHO DOES NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA IS CONSIDERED OUT OF TOUCH,AND A RACIST. OBAMA IS NOT THE ANSWER…SO ALL YOU BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING OBAMA, JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK,AND BECAUSE YOU SO DESPERATLY WANT MARTIN LUTHER KING DREAM TO COME TRUE,OBAMA IS NOT THE RIGHT BLACK PERSON,I’AM SICK OF OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD EVERTIME SOMEONE QUESTIONS HIM.OBAMA MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING.OBAMA HAS NO MORALS OR VALUES.MAYBE OBAMA CAN GET A PREACHER JOB AT HIS OLD CHURCH, WHERE JERIMIAH WRIGHT PREACHED. OH… AND DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW COME YA CAN’T FIND ANY MORE WHITE SHEETS TO BUY IN STORES???
    NO WAY..NO HOW.. NOBAMA.. GO BACK TO KENYA WHERE YOU WERE BORN…DON’T TURN YOUR BACK ON THE AMERICAN FLAG.

    MEGAN (4501ad)

  215. Megan (#211)
    NO WAY..NO HOW.. NOBAMA.. GO BACK TO KENYA WHERE YOU WERE BORN

    Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii (It is in US in case you don’t know). And that makes you, Megan a liar spreading disinformation on the net.

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  216. Barry – When you call someone else a liar, does your irony-meter blow up?

    JD (f7900a)

  217. Everyone of you dunba**es really need to get your heads out of it. You all have the unadulterated audacity to call yourselves AMERICANS. You are typing on a website about racist comments and ties to terrorists on Obama’s part and really trying to attack his character. What you haven’t addressed is McCain’s involvement in our LOSS to Vietnam, due to his disclosure of military installations in Vietnam, or troop air-transports, air-craft carrier and battleship positions, and of the FACT that he used his DADDY being an ADMIRAL in the NAVY to keep his OWN A** alive. These are CHARACTER issues of the hight regard because how many US “SECRETS” will he sell if he gets elected PRESIDENT? I can als tell half of you haven’t looked at McCain’s tax proposition either. If you have then you are probably going to benefit from these tax propositions. They only benefit the WEALTHIEST of AMERICANS. I’m unemployed because the ECONOMY SUCKS, not because of me being lazy or underqualified. As a matter of fact I have been turned down for JOBS because of being over-qualified for meanial jobs because the companies don’t want to shell out the money for someone who will do their JOB and not complain about it. All because my qualifications demand for $10/hr as opposed to the minimum wage they expect me to take. Under McCain we are F**KED. And ask your self with the state of everything in AMERICA right now, do you think we need another 4 YEARS of George Bush’s PLAN that McCain so clearly has backed for these last 8? Lemme guess you still believe what he’s saying about not backing Bush. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  218. JD (#218)Barry – When you call someone else a liar, does your irony-meter blow up?
    When confronted with facts – mock. When told inconvenient truths – abuse. Isn’t that what you do? Like your bigoted neo-con friends?

    Barry Smith (24aa5c)

  219. You are typing on a website about racist comments and ties to terrorists on Obama’s part and really trying to attack his character.

    Thank you for proving the point of the post.

    What you haven’t addressed is McCain’s involvement in our LOSS to Vietnam, due to his disclosure of military installations in Vietnam, or troop air-transports, air-craft carrier and battleship positions, and of the FACT that he used his DADDY being an ADMIRAL in the NAVY to keep his OWN A** alive. These are CHARACTER issues of the hight regard because how many US “SECRETS” will he sell if he gets elected PRESIDENT

    I would freakin’ pay to see you say this to Sen. McCain’s face.

    All because my qualifications demand for $10/hr

    Stretching it there a bit, aren’t we?

    do you think we need another 4 YEARS of George Bush’s PLAN that McCain so clearly has backed for these last 8? Lemme guess you still believe what he’s saying about not backing Bush. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I was beginning to doubt your sincerity, but then you brought the thunder with the ALL CAPS followed by !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Well done. I am now going to vote for Baracky.

    JD (f7900a)

  220. When confronted with facts – mock. When told inconvenient truths deliberate falsehoods – abuse. Isn’t that what you do? Like your bigoted neo-con friends?

    There, fixed that for you.

    Who are my bigoted neo-con friends?

    JD (f7900a)

  221. Good Allah, these trolls are like Gremlins that have had water sprinkled on them.

    JD (f7900a)

  222. I don’t need to say it to his face it has been printed for all to see. If you weren’t such a duma** you would try and read sometimes. Other than trying to read posts and reply. Get a college education and try to make your own observations. I’m not voting for either candidate. I have made an EDUCATED determination that niether one is going to do any good for this all for themselves country that everyone calls so “great.” Before you take my comment out of context I am a U.S.A. loving FOOL like the rest of you. I, however, do not have my eyes shut by politicians trying to attack each other and boost themselves up in the public eye to win votes that don’t really matter. Bush 2004 proved that. I live in Florida, where at the time his brother was Govenor and this state seemed to have the most contoversy during that election. Hum, imagine that.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  223. I don’t need to say it to his face it has been printed for all to see.

    Like I thought, no spine. The proof of your assertion is your assertion? Nifty, that.

    JD (f7900a)

  224. Wow, JD. Very mature to bring a child-like Gremlin comment to an adult(??) topic. Like I tell all children, you are better seen not heard. When we hear you nothing comes out but crap. So for now why don’t you get off the internet and go play your Xbox 360 with the rest of the kids.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  225. If you weren’t such a duma** you would try and read sometimes. Other than trying to read posts and reply. Get a college education and try to make your own observations. I’m not voting for either candidate.

    Typical and predictable Leftist pablum. Only the Left is enlightened. They exist on a higher plane than the rest of us rubes.

    I have made an EDUCATED determination that niether one is going to do any good for this all for themselves country that everyone calls so “great.” Before you take my comment out of context I am a U.S.A. loving FOOL like the rest of you.

    If that passes for an EDUCATED determination, you should demand your money back from your GED program.

    You did get the FOOL part right.

    Bush 2004 proved that. I live in Florida, where at the time his brother was Govenor and this state seemed to have the most contoversy during that election. Hum, imagine that.

    You got the talking points mixed up. Florida was stolen in 2000. In 2004, the racist Republicans stole the election in Ohio.

    JD (f7900a)

  226. carpaccio – When you start acting like an adult, I will treat you like one.

    JD (f7900a)

  227. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain Here is the website why don’t you go check it out and READ it if you can. I know there are a lot of BIG words you might be able to get your dad to help you. Spine? Your apparently voting for a candidate that has less of a spine than 18 year olds in the military now and your saying that to me. People like you give this country a bad name.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  228. What on earth makes you people think I’m making up the racism against Obama that I’ve encountered? Where do you live that the very notion is unthinkable? Please let me know so that I may relocate. And for the record, I’m not some raging ACLU member. I get very irritated at unwarranted accusations of racism and the preferential treatment afforded to minorities in some circumstances. But once again, to deny the impact of race as it pertains to the first black presidential nominee in history, a mere 40 years after the civil rights movement, merely demonstrates willful ignorance.

    workingclasswhiteguy (e776dd)

  229. The Obamabots have found the ideal way to win the hearts and minds of the active and veteran Military in the voting public:
    Mock John McCains stay in the Hanoi Hilton, and accuse him of revealing military secrets while undergoing a regime of treatment that none of them could ever understand, or comprehend.
    Not only is this line of attack despicable, it is dishonest and unworthy of any response but a swift kick to the groin, or a well-executed right-cross.

    outraged (d30543)

  230. “I’m not voting for either candidate.”

    Are you old enough to vote?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  231. and another thing…
    If someone wants to know the location of the carrier you took off from 2-3 years previously, would you be revealing a military secret if you replied: South China Sea?

    outraged (d30543)

  232. Why do all of the loudest of the loudmouths who crow about being “educated” always fail at the proper use of contractions like “you’re” and commit the most ridiculous errors in grammar?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  233. Your apparently voting for a candidate that has less of a spine than 18 year olds in the military now and your saying that to me

    The irony of someone lecturing another about getting an edumacation and then not knowing how to properly utilize a simple contraction like you’re is funny. Very funny.

    The odious lies you tell about Sen. McCain, not so much. If he lacks such spine, I suggest you try to recreate his POW years, and see how long you last.

    Music tabloids are a great place to search for political facts, by the way.

    workingclasswhiteguy – If you were witness to an assassination threat against Barack Obama, you should call the Secret Service.

    JD (f7900a)

  234. Rolling Stone – the mark of unbiased authority.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  235. “I’m unemployed because the ECONOMY SUCKS, not because of me being lazy or underqualified.”

    Translation – It’s Bush’s fault that I drink a lot of beer and smoke a lot of dope and don’t want to get a job. Life is suuh-weeet!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  236. Comment by outraged — 10/7/2008 @ 10:04 am

    It won’t work and only works to push the center away from Obama. Vets and active duty know better. There are vets and active duty in percentages not too far off the voter population at large who will vote for Obama. But not because of accusations like this. The Obama campaign risks losing these votes with things like this.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  237. Undocumented immigrants took my job!!!!!!

    But I support open borders!!!!!!!!!!!!

    O!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  238. There is no question that McCain suffered hideously in North Vietnam. His ejection over a lake in downtown Hanoi broke his knee and both his arms. During his capture, he was bayoneted in the ankle and the groin, and had his shoulder smashed by a rifle butt. His tormentors dragged McCain’s broken body to a cell and seemed content to let him expire from his injuries. For the next two years, there were few days that he was not in agony.

    But the subsequent tale of McCain’s mistreatment — and the transformation it is alleged to have produced — are both deeply flawed. The Code of Conduct that governed POWs was incredibly rigid; few soldiers lived up to its dictate that they “give no information . . . which might be harmful to my comrades.” Under the code, POWs are bound to give only their name, rank, date of birth and service number — and to make no “statements disloyal to my country.”

    Soon after McCain hit the ground in Hanoi, the code went out the window. “I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital,” he later admitted pleading with his captors. McCain now insists the offer was a bluff, designed to fool the enemy into giving him medical treatment. In fact, his wounds were attended to only after the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a Navy admiral. What has never been disclosed is the manner in which they found out: McCain told them. According to Dramesi, one of the few POWs who remained silent under years of torture, McCain tried to justify his behavior while they were still prisoners. “I had to tell them,” he insisted to Dramesi, “or I would have died in bed.”

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  239. I am taken back by the amount of hypocrisy and irony in both the original opinion and the comments. You’re attacking a campaign, that’s tried to stay away from racism, by bringing up race and yet talking about fear of the mention of race.

    You’re all just fishing around in the “race pool” right now.

    However, unfortunately I know that race is an issue with many voters still. I was talking to someone a few days ago who said that he didn’t want Obama to win “because the blacks would take over”. That’s just one of many many racist remarks I’ve heard recently. Racism is very alive and well in many communities and age groups today.

    The Obama campaign has tried very hard to keep race a non-issue, and has yet to pull the “race card”. I’m very disappointed in this blog and it’s comments. By bringing up race and being fecicious by mocking the genuine racism that’s going on in this country, you are distracting people from the actual issues that are going on. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”, right? It shows a lot of insecurity and fear.

    Lucie (bc1a27)

  240. Did Joe Biden just show up in aisle 240?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  241. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain Sorry I forgot the reference page. I could have sworn this was blog posting not English 101. I could’ve been mistaken with all of the college professors on here.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  242. “I could have sworn this was blog posting not English 101.”
    A course that you would do well to take when you reach college freshman age.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  243. 243, Mkapcio, there are critical thinkers who have many other sources of information, not just your biased propaganda. We also “Grok” logic and logical arguments. We reject “doper” thinking.

    PCD (1df2b5)

  244. You’re attacking a campaign, that’s tried to stay away from racism,

    1. Did you know, that Barack is black?
    2. He has a funny sounding name?
    3. That he does not look like those people on the dollar bill?

    Good Allah. What kind of reality do you clowns live in? Baracky traffics in race. It is his bread and butter. Any disagreement is racist. Inexperienced? Racist.

    The Obama campaign has tried very hard to keep race a non-issue,

    This is such a bald-faced fucking lie.

    You always know you have a dedicated Obamatron when it pulls out the distraction card.

    JD (f7900a)

  245. Sigh.

    “…The Obama campaign has tried very hard to keep race a non-issue, and has yet to pull the “race card”….”

    Right. That is why he “…doesn’t look like the other candidates…” and has accused McCain of fanning fears because he, Obama, “looks different.”

    Not about race at all.

    Trust me. Obama’s entire life has been about race. Also, look at how seemingly any criticism of Obama is now viewed as “racially tinged.”

    More trollery.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  246. carpaccio – I will give you credit. You are an aggressive liar. And persistent. But a liar and a smear merchant, nonetheless.

    JD (f7900a)

  247. Mock John McCains stay in the Hanoi Hilton, and accuse him of revealing military secrets while undergoing a regime of treatment that none of them could ever understand, or comprehend.

    I doubt the Obama campaign is that inept.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  248. JD – they repeat their points with such precision and such complete, utter detachment from reality that one wonders what their chronology is for the arrival of the comet.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  249. “The Obama campaign has tried very hard to keep race a non-issue, and has yet to pull the “race card”. I’m very disappointed in this blog and it’s comments.”

    Lucie – Open your good eye. The Obama campaign or its surrogates have played the race card every time they have felt threatened. Twice in June alone Obama himself accused the McCain campaign of using race against him and was criticized for it because there was no evidence of it. Over the weekend, Obama’s surrogates in the media ridiculously suggested that criticizing Democrats for responsibility for the financial mess we are was racist and that criticizing Obama’s judgement for associating with Bill Ayers was racist. The race card is being played one way in this campaign Lucie and you need to recognize it.

    It’s being used as a shut up device by Obama and the Democrats as usual because they are the party of identity politics. Your false concern is noted.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  250. As a matter of fact, since you know nothing about me. I am an Associates of the Science degree holder in Accounting. Sorry about the confusion Dr. Jack Klompus. You would do well taking your head out of your A** and my age doesn’t matter anyhow. I could be 22 or 82 and I would still think your a D**k. You probably voted for Bush, too. Didn’t you.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  251. Lucie – Your comment chaps my ass. Please point to specifics of McCain or Palin using the “race card.” I’ll wait.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  252. I was able to renounce and atone for my racism after Obama delivered his memorable, historic, for-the-ages, should-be-mandatory-to-study, speech about race that brought the nation to tears with its profundity, its Shakespearean cadence, and its quotable text which included such Bartlett’s worthy lines such as…um..

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  253. Mkapcio- another obamabot heard from. How much are they paying you or do you hope to get one of those volunteer jobs that pays $10 an hour in an Obama administration.

    To that other doofus (non-workingclasswhitetrash) lamenting fact he can’t reach his dream of $10 an hour and is stuck in minimum wage, take that Obama “volunteer” job and you’ll have it made. Anyone that aspires to $10 an hour is hopeless in any case, unless he is a teen or has some mental disability. I assume you are someone else’s dependent. Or you have low goals because you don’t care to relocate from whatever ‘hood you’re in and just need beer moneyor that $10 crack hit. If you’re older, I suspect you’re one of those ageless burned out hippies who protested the war, stayed high, took advantage of dipshit hippie girls and have never taken responsibility for your own shitty existence. You know there were all those educational opportunities you passed on that would have helped you pull yourself up by the bootstraps instead of relying on liberal largesse and generational dependency on welfare. Not to fear, at least you have that big screen tv and fancy sneaks and maybe even a little bling. And who knows, you may even be the not so proud and parent of a number cherubs whom you refuse to support.
    This thread crys out for Icy Truth. I’m sick of reading the ranting of these trolls and mobys.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  254. WHOA!!! Holy shizz man, blow me away with that AA of yours!! Man oh man, you are some brilliant scholar there!
    And yet with “I would still think your a D**k” you prove that even with that staggering tower of education of yours, you still can’t form a proper contraction!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  255. Reality? You must have me confused with yourself. I’m in touch with realty more than you will ever be. To call me an aggressive liar and then to back one that is vying to run our country sets great precedence for where you guys stand on reality.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  256. Comment by Mkapcio — 10/7/2008 @ 10:18 am

    Your information/timeline is not entirely accurate.

    McCain’s treatment only improved after his father was named CinCPac. McCain himself would have no knowledge of his father’s promotion, and the NVA learned of it in the media. Their initial offer was to release him because of his father’s new position; an offer that McCain refused as it would mean his leaving before others who had been imprisoned longer.

    And, there would have been no need to inform the NVA that his father was an Admiral, as this was a fact that any good intell officer would have knowledge of before even meeting John McCain for that initial, high-level interrogation. If there is one thing the “Reds” were good at, it was knowing about their opponents.

    I also find it amusing (not) that McCain’s conduct under interrogation is lambasted by the very people who celebrate the conduct of deserters, and/or of POW’s who refused repatriation after openly cooperating with their captors in the making of propaganda, and still live in Communist/Socialist countries after renouncing their US citizenship.

    Another Drew (d30543)

  257. Crackhead, AA would be Associates of the Arts. If you went to college you would know the difference. Put down the pipe and pick up a scholarship. I think they still give them to duma**es.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  258. Ha! I have a BA from an ivy league university and a master’s degree, you useless little tool!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  259. Oh and a job too.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  260. I guess they don’t require English Comprehension classes for bean-counters these days?

    Please update my info, but when I look at my AA certificate, it says I am an “Associate in Arts”. I suppose that an AS degree would be singular too?

    Eh?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  261. “I also find it amusing (not) that McCain’s conduct under interrogation is lambasted by the very people who celebrate the conduct of deserters, and/or of POW’s who refused repatriation after openly cooperating with their captors in the making of propaganda, and still live in Communist/Socialist countries after renouncing their US citizenship.”
    Whatever is convenient for teh narrative. I loved their quick one-hit wonder of concern for the suffering of the wounded at Walter Reed. I wonder if they’re still passionately engaged in that issue.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  262. So as i stated earlier you are one of the wealthier Americans that will benefit for the McCain tax breaks for people who don’t need it and non-tax breaks for the ones that do. “The Rich keep getting Richer and the Poor keep getting Poorer.” That mentality is the reason this country is in a crisis economically. So being that you say you have a job, you are either on company time or not really working.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  263. I work for myself at home. Next try.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  264. “And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might
    salute it.”

    Barack is bereft of intelligence and character, but this looks like urban legend. It’s funny though. Makes me want to drink Coke. Maybe the Coke people came up with it?

    Federal Dog (1404a2)

  265. Nothing like changing the subject when you have received a heaping portion of whup-ass!

    Another Drew (d30543)

  266. Mkapcio – Did I ever tell you about the time I was watching Larry Sinclair suck Obama’s dick while Barry was smoking crack?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  267. 266. I was always partial to “Listen to the Flower People” by Spinal Tap. Now let’s get some candles and form a human Christmas tree.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  268. No, I haven’t changed the subject. The degree , not certificate of completion, I have says Sciences. Sorry, I neglected to put the s at the end. Also to reply to your bean counter philosophy, yes, you need comperehension but only to read the names on the checks. In case you didn’t know payroll is accounting, too.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  269. Ha! I have a BA from an ivy league university and a master’s degree, you useless little tool!

    Comment by Jack Klompus — 10/7/2008 @ 10:43 am

    I’ll raise you that BA & Masters from an ivy league university and match my Doctorate in Victimology from the University of Mary & Grievances!

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  270. If we accountants weren’t “counting beans” how would CEO’s know how many beans you would have to sell to make a profit?

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  271. Dammit voice, I applied there and I got wait-listed because I spelled womyn with an “e” on the essay.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  272. “…certificate of completion…”

    Who was talking about that?
    I said my certificate (the piece of paper dummie) awarding a Degree as an Associate of Arts. I have no idea what an Associates of the Science degree is, and I (and others) doubt if you do either.

    Another Drew (d30543)

  273. Jack…
    You need to get out the prayer-rug, orient it towards Hyde Park, and undergo an intense regimen of introspection to drive these demons out of your soul and attain Obamalation.

    Another Drew (d30543)

  274. A degree in the Sciences to have you know is the how and why it works the way it does. Not like in Arts where they teach just to do it. “It” being whatever disipline you choose. Again if you were as smart as you think you were you could deduse that from the word “Science.” Instead you make yourself look, sound and be as stupid as we already think you are.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  275. Drew, I’ve been wearing a hair-shirt, self-flagellating, and repeatedly watching my deluxe DVD edition of the great race speech. When I am overcome with a flood of Obamamotions I let out yells of “HOPE!” and “CHANGE!” and then Father Pfleger rushes in and douses me with holy water from his church while he hoofs it in his best Al Jolson.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  276. Responding to:

    Michael Ejercito and Barryak Smith Obama’nation

    please Google: “obama flag salute” and see the numerous resources…and Barack Hussein Obama’s response himself!

    Republican (ac56f0)

  277. If by racist you mean stupid then you have a point. You want to talk about Fannie Mae? Didn’t you get the memo?

    No one defending Mr. Obama has said shouting about William Ayers is racist we have said it is a pathetic attempt at distraction since the person you are accusing was a child when Ayers was wanted. It is particularly stupid when John McCain actually helped a man who hurt the American people a lot Charles Keating. Not met him. Not passed him in the street. Helped try to get his pal off the hook after Keating ripped off the America people. And you people have the nerve to play this associations game?

    Stop wasting your time crying and give McCain a plan that isn’t vomitting back what hasn’t worked for the last 8 years and tell the Miracle Mother Who Doesn’t Have Mono to think next time before she opens her mouth.

    Progressive Observer (8ef07c)

  278. #276 is a gem for the ages in its testimony to “higher education.”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  279. PO – Funny how McCain was absolved of any wrongdoing by the Senate in the Keating matter. Was Baracky a child when he knowingly chose to associate, and even work with Ayers? Does your mendoucheity know no bounds?

    JD (f7900a)

  280. As for carpaccio, you are beclowning yourself.

    JD (f7900a)

  281. Do you really take anything seriously from someone who refers to themselves as “progressive?”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  282. Regardless of the race card being played by the Obama/Democrat camp, there are other issues to be concerned with. Blacks of course are going to vote for Obama, not only because he is Black, but because he is a Democrat. They historically vote the Party anyway. It wouldn’t matter who is running for the Democrats. This is why the rest of the country needs to pay attention and do some research to actually see what Obama and the Liberals represent. This is important among the young, naive college students who get a slanted and opinionated version of politics in this country, from their Leftist leaning professors. If Obama wins we all lose, although he is now being highlighted and protected by the Liberal media, especially CNN, who embellishes his so called called qualifications, and minimizes not only his short comings and questionable past, but outright inappropriate behavior(20yr member of a racist and unpatriotic congregation lead by his friend Rev Wright, known association with William Ayers of the terrorist group The Weather Underground, known association with Tony Rizko a convicted felon who along with Obama were involved with shady Real Estate deals which they both profited from, Obama’s wife Michele, a militant who wrote a racist thesis in her senior year at Princeton who admitted that she was never proud to be an American, until her husband started running for President. I have read recently that Obama may have actually been born in Kenya and then moved to Hawaii at a very young age, which excludes him from even running for the Presidency, but that is still being investigated) Obama is extremely inexperienced to even be considered to lead this country(unless you think a two year junior senator is qualifications enough to manage the greatest and freest country in the world). Sarah Palin, who has been taken apart by the main stream media, has had more experience in a management role being Mayor and then Governor. Obama has no solid ideas other then to try and socialize America as much as he possibly can. The Democratic Party is so desperate for “The Power”, that Obama is trying to give voting rights to convicted felons that lost their right to vote. If Obama is elected, he will also give more freedoms and conveniences to incarcerated felons, that your taxes will pay for. He will also socialize health care including abortion clinics that your taxes will pay for. He will elaborate on Affirmative Action, and also lower college and university entrance requirements. He will appoint lenient Liberal Supreme Court Justices. He will prevent or remove any type of religious or patriotic celebration in schools(It would not surprise me if he actually has the American flag taken down from all learning institutions) Taxes of course will rise across the board. Some taxes that were eliminated will be reinstated. If some of you young people who are going to vote in this election are influenced by celebrities… don’t be. They are not the most politically savvy people. Hollywood in particular is overwhelmingly Liberal(they have to be, or at least present themselves that way or they will never find work). If you want to idolize someone who acts for a living, or who has a song and dance routine fine, but think of the reason why they would push for a Liberal candidate, no matter how unqualified the candidate is. John McCain the war hero, with his vast experience in politics and reputation as a free thinker, will do more to keep this country safe and free, and also turn around the economy that was initially sent backsliding due to Bill Clinton when he signed one of his socialist laws that FORCED banks to give loans that they normally wouldn’t, to very high risk candidates, who eventually defaulted, and caused the housing market to tumble. Don’t be fooled by the 90% owned and operated Liberal main stream media. Check out the REAL NEWS that is actually reported and not shaped and distorted like CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, etc. Try FoxNews on cable, it is excellent and the most watched cable news station. NewsMax and The Drudge Report are also excellent and you can view them online. The poles are manipulated and are way off, to try and discourage voters. The race is a lot closer then people are aware of. Every vote will count. John McCain will be the next leader of our great country!

    Matt (f6ee1e)

  283. Comment by Jack Klompus — 10/7/2008 @ 11:32 am

    Jack, don’t you mean #275?

    And, I’m reminded of a chant that was mandatory in Haiti during the day’s of “Papa Doc”, that went:
    Duvallier, Father of the New Haiti, President for Life!

    Just need to do a few changes here:
    Obama, Father of the New Amerika, President for Life!

    This will be required at the opening of meetings for all of those new “volunteer” groups.

    Frightening thought, isn’t it?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  284. JD first off learn how to read and second learn how to spell it’s right in front of you.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  285. Mkapcio,

    I’ll raise you your pathetic AA with My Batchelor of Science, Arts, Letters, and Sciences from UW-LaCrosse.

    You are totally a pathetic doper who wants Obama to legalize your bong.

    PCD (1df2b5)

  286. Comment by Matt — 10/7/2008 @ 11:51 am

    I believe that there are some valid points contained in that comment, though it would be far easier to discern them if the author had followed any of the acceptable rules of orginization by breaking-up that long thought into paragraphs of cogent points.

    Is this the way they write blue-book essays, and thesis papers now?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  287. There is only one thing more pathetic than a paid liar for Obama. That is an unpaid liar for Obama.

    PCD (1df2b5)

  288. I think you meant to say Bachelor? Or is it Butcher i can’t really tell. If it is a Bachelor’s theank you for telling me where not to go for mine. American education at its best. Applause.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  289. Haha! Good one Mk – “learn how to spell!”

    From your brilliant post:
    ““It” being whatever disipline you choose. Again if you were as smart as you think you were you could deduse that from the word “Science.”

    See anything ironic about your telling people “learn how to spell?”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  290. PCD it’s a AS not AA. Like I told JD learn how to read first, then learn how to spell. There is a thing called spell chec. Look into it sometime. There is also a dictionary. I doubt you seen one.
    There is only one thing wrong with your other comment I’m not for either candidate. Again learn how to read.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  291. PCD it’s a AS not AA. Like I told JD learn how to read first, then learn how to spell. There is a thing called spell check. Look into it sometime. There is also a dictionary. I doubt you seen one.
    There is only one thing wrong with your other comment I’m not for either candidate. Again learn how to read.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  292. Walls of text give me a headache. Is it too much to ask for paragraph breaks?

    cappuccino – You are telling me to learn how to spell? Your / you’re. I expect a 250 word essay on their proper usage and spelling. Now. Chop chop …

    Where is your Community College degree from?

    JD (f7900a)

  293. Hmmm. Tell a person that they need to read carefully, and then add, about dictionaries:

    “…I doubt you seen one…”

    So perhaps a book on grammar might be advisable? Maybe even “Grammar for Trolls”?

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  294. Comment by Mkapcio — 10/7/2008 @ 12:07 pm
    “…I doubt you seen one.…”

    Priceless!

    Another Drew (d30543)

  295. There is a thing called spell check. Look into it sometime. There is also a dictionary. I doubt you seen one.

    All of the spelling and dictionaries in the world will not help you if you do not know simple grammar. Good Allah. Have you learned how to tie your shoes without velcro yet?

    JD (f7900a)

  296. 292. “There is a thing called spell chec.”
    293. “There is a thing called spell check.”
    LOL!
    You have to also love: “I doubt you seen one.”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  297. Strunk & White would be a good thing for you to take a look at, carpaccio.

    JD (f7900a)

  298. Mkapcio, 292 is your biggest lie yet. You are for Obama, you O-bot.

    PCD (1df2b5)

  299. 299. I still have my copy of Warriner’s English Grammar and Composition from freshman year of high school. All praises go to those Jesuits!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  300. All of you disillusioned political dumb rats have a good day. Enjoy your grammar lessons from blog-list professors. I, however, am going to leave you with a reality check. You all need to get off the blog-lists and try to have a meaningful life not on a computer. But, then again republicans like their “followers” fat, dumb, and out of touch with real problems. Don’t worry democrats enjoy the same thing so never fear, this country is going to hell in a handbasket and you guys are smiling along with the rest of us. I will take my 4.0 a** and go find some intelligent people to converse with. Later.

    Mkapcio (aa7897)

  301. All praises go to those Jesuits!

    Careful Jack. That could open up a very black version of Pandora’s Box, could it not?
    But, they do bring discipline to “young skulls full of mush”.

    Another Drew (d30543)

  302. What the hell was that chew toy??

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  303. Hope Patterico coated the door-knob heavily.
    Wouldn’t want the damn thing to stick in “M’s” ass and keep him from his appointed rounds.

    Has Axelrod off-shored his blog warfare activity?

    Another Drew (d30543)

  304. 303. I thank my parents every day that they made me go to Jesuit prep school. Those priests know how to teach. If I had expressed myself in any manner similar to that Mk clown when I was a freshman I would have been bloody from the repeated ruler beatings.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  305. Was carpaccio really proclaiming his intellectual superiority based on an Associates degree from a JuCo? Couple that with his inability to spell, complete lack of knowledge about basic sentence structure and grammar, and the again proven point that trolls just cannot utilize contractions properly, and it was an absolute laugh-riot. Please do not go, cappuccino.

    JD (f7900a)

  306. 301, Why would intelligent people want to converse with someone so mentally disarmed that they are weaponless in a battle of wits?

    PCD (1df2b5)

  307. “Was carpaccio really proclaiming his intellectual superiority based on an Associates degree from a JuCo?”
    Imagine what his high school classmates and neighborhood peers must be like.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  308. Senor Klompus – That was the hardest I have laughed since 2 1/2 Men last night.

    JD (f7900a)

  309. 308, Jack, I could do without that nightmare!

    PCD (1df2b5)

  310. I’m confident that “carpaccio” has already secured an appointment as head of his local Soviet in the new Obama regime.

    disgusted (d30543)

  311. 312. Yeah I’m sure with his tremendous background he will be heading his Office of Management and Budget or maybe he’ll earn an officer’s commission in the new domestic militia that’s supposed to be as well-funded and strong as our military.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  312. This would all be really funny, were it not so sad.

    JD (f7900a)

  313. #91 (Rick Ballar) You are nothing but inbreed and disgrace of humanity. You should use your brain not your cable TV to think…

    YouNightMare (b96ae7)

  314. God, Obama is damned no matter what! The question should be who is the most qualified at this time to be President? McCain will follow the old Bush way of life. THAT is what I care about. Stop diverting attention from the real issues of today.

    Sharon (784391)

  315. If the question is who is the most qualified, Sharon, you are not going to like the answer.

    JD (f7900a)

  316. JD wrote: Senor Klompus – That was the hardest I have laughed since 2 1/2 Men last night.

    That is on occasion a very funny show. It’s a guilty pleasure. Chuck Lorre, the creator/producer/head writer is a huge lib, and it shows in his vanity cards at the end of the show (there’s probably one insulting Palin in the hopper as we speak). But Jon Cryer recently came out of the closet – he’s a Republican (or, at the least, a McCain supporter).

    L.N. Smithee (d1de1b)

  317. Let’s just say it: politics is a dirty business. Obama will use whatever tactic he can to win, and so will McCain. I’m a furiously partisan Dem and I understand that both sides use underhanded tactics.

    Obama’s having served on a charity board with a former bomb thrower as being the basis for his ‘palling around’ with terrorists is utter horseshit, yet I don’t blame McCain for going down that road; politics is ugly, and it ain’t a truth-telling competition. What’s happening is it is becoming painfully obvious that John McCain has nothing to offer this country other than a fighter jock ego and having had the dumb luck to survive a Vietnamese prison camp. Good for you John; all that adds up to as far as qualifying you to be president is precisely dick.

    His picking a vacuous, horrifyingly unqualified bimbo like Sarah Palin proves the lie in his ‘Country First’ slogan; he just wanted a pretty face to give his campaign a shot in the arm. Well it worked, and now it’s coming back to bite him in the ass. Obviously, when it comes to presidential campaigning, John McCain is the one who has no grasp of the difference between strategy and tactics.

    In summation: sayonara assholes. You Republicans are now going to get to enjoy a liberal Democratic president coupled with Democratic supermajorities in both houses of Congress. Cry and whine and blame the MSM and the goddamned liberals and whoever else you want, the fact remains that you held the reigns of power, essentially since 94, and the vast majority of our nation hates what you’ve brought us. Now it’s our turn, and I only hope we can undo some of the shitty mess your leaders have left us.

    oregondem (f496b0)

  318. Sharon wrote:

    God, Obama is damned no matter what!

    Better him than America.

    The question should be who is the most qualified at this time to be President?

    Neither of them. If it were up to me, Mitt Romney would be the nominee for POTUS. He might have been the VP pick if Mike Huckin’ Freakabee hadn’t constantly made noises like he would withdraw his support for the ticket if Mitt was a part of it.

    McCain will follow the old Bush way of life.

    It is to laugh. He’s not even as conservative as Bush. If you swallow that “90%” nonsense, then you’ve ALSO gotta believe that Obama is to the left of the only self-identified Socialist in Washington. Is that what you want in a President?

    THAT is what I care about. Stop diverting attention from the real issues of today.

    Uh huh. If the economy was today where it was about this time last year, you would be ignoring it and bleating about Iraq. But Iraq has become a manageable situation because of the leadership of Robert Gates and General David Petraeus. They were put into the position to rescue Maliki and the budding democratic government ONLY because President Bush wouldn’t accept defeat.

    Left up to Obama or Biden, there would have been — respectively — no surge, and Iraq would either be in some stage of status quo chaos, or American troops would be caught in the crossfire of in the attempt to carve Iraq into three sections.

    Bush got that call right. But your guys can’t afford to admit that.

    But now that the surge has — in the words of Obama — “succeeded beyond our wildest dreams,” you’re on to the economy. But the Presidency is more than about what’s on the front burner right now.

    L.N. Smithee (ecc5a5)

  319. oregondem – Where is the love?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  320. oregondem,

    Obama’s having served on a charity board with a former bomb thrower as being the basis for his ‘palling around’ with terrorists is utter horseshit

    In todays open-to-the-public information being available, noone is excused for being “uninformed.”

    check out my post on #172

    and don’t forget to GOOGLE for facts!

    Republican (ac56f0)

  321. Oregondem wrote:

    Obama’s having served on a charity board with a former bomb thrower as being the basis for his ‘palling around’ with terrorists is utter horsesh*t

    You only think that because you believe B.O.’s spin that because Ayers is a “respected professor,” he’s no longer a radical who hates this country. He still is. And Obama didn’t just “serve on a charity board” with Ayers, Ayers and his convicted felon wife Bernadine “The Fork” Dohrn jumpstarted his political career.

    Tell me why you think Ayers would back Obama if they didn’t share the same philosophy about this country. Seriously. Go for it. I dare you.

    Now it’s our turn, and I only hope we can undo some of the shitty mess your leaders have left us.

    You can’t, and you won’t. You have the reverse Midas touch. Everything a veto-proof Dem majority touches turns to crap.

    You have the limp-brained mentality that government can make life “fair” for everyone, so you print dollars, raise taxes, and play Robin Hood. HELLO — that’s what got us all into the subprime mess. Clinton decided he wanted more people who can’t afford a house to get one, and it snowballed into a three-quarter of a trillion dollar debacle. If I thought he had a conscience, I would wonder how Bawney Fwank sleeps knowing his part in this disaster.

    And on national defense? Please. Say what you want about W, but this country was fearing a constant stream of terrorist assaults after 9/11/01. What has happened thusfar? Nothing. If there is not another attack the morning the next President is inaugurated, you’ll have W to thank. But you won’t.

    You people think that Obama is somehow going to make people like Ahmadinejad, Putin, and Chavez cooperate with the U.S. because, after all, he’s given you those “thrills up your legs.” Think again. They may like Obama personally, but to them he’s still the enemy. If he gets that, he’s given us no indication.

    Islamist terrorists tested each of the last two Presidents within months of their inaugurations. The bombed the WTC in 1993; the took it down and bombed the Pentagon in 2001. Do you see Obama acting like a Commander-in-Chief in 2009 if the same should happen? Personally, I can’t imagine it. Can you?

    L.N. Smithee (ecc5a5)

  322. Oregondem, in fact, Obama is Ayers’ political protege.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  323. I would like to know who these people are that are calling you racist if you don’t support Obama or sexist if you don’t support Clinton. Because I am a strong supporter of Obama and I have never heard any of my fellow supporters utter those words. I assume you are supporting McCain because you believe in the republican platform. I think the emails circulating around with the beautiful pictures of Obama’s African relatives that say that makes him a muslim, racist however. I am wondering if it is people’s own inner consciousness that may be making them question whether they are racist or not. What was your reaction when you saw the pictures of his family in Kenya? Did you think it was beautiful? or did you think something else? maybe we should all examine our own thoughts and beliefs and stop judging others.

    Laurie (98db7d)

  324. Laurie, so you are deliberately ignoring the links that show your fellow supporters pulling that stunt? And you are ignoring Obama’s own words earlier in the campaign accusing the McCain campaign of being racist?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  325. Well, i would just like to say that a lot of the stuff IS racist…If Mr. Obama was WHITE a lot fo this stuff would not be an issue. All the stuff ppl are nitpicking about would be little bumps. But it seems like Barack has had to jump just a little higher than most candidates have had to. It would be naive to sit here and pretend as if race has had NOTHING to do with anything. I mean, there is a survey that was done, not even two weeks ago saying that the way people view black people are preventing them from voting for Obama. What disgusted me most was that it was MOSTLY Dems. Republicans arent voting for him MAINLY because he is a Democrat. Look at the education records:
    Obama:
    Occidental College – Two years.
    Columbia University – B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
    Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

    & Biden:
    University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
    Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)

    vs.

    McCain:
    United States Naval Academy – Class rank 894 of 899

    & Palin:
    Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
    North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
    University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
    Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
    University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in journalism

    If Obama was white, would there even be a question about who to choose? No. Fox has continuously smeared Obama. Have they done this to McCain? No. Had the same issues one on with Obama as Palin, would it have been received the same way? No, it would have been worse. And you are trying to imply there is NO racial tension in this race???
    THAT is pure ignorance.
    I feel like if the tables were turned it would not be an issue.

    La (c1675a)

  326. I believe that race does have an impact. However not voting or or believing in what Obama would like to do- does not make you racist.
    I would like to see the Obama quote when he called the McCain campaign racist:”And you are ignoring Obama’s own words earlier in the campaign accusing the McCain campaign of being racist?” by SPQR Can you please give me your source?

    Laurie (98db7d)

  327. Laurie, from Baracky …

    1) And did you know, I am black?
    2) And I have a funny sounding name?
    3) And I do not look like those guys on the dollar bill?

    And on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on … It is racist to note that he is woefully inefficient. It is racist to run ads with him and white people. It is racist to run ads with him and black people. It is racist to run ads with him and women. Good Allah.

    JD (f7900a)

  328. JD I am wondering if you are confused about what it means to be racist and what it means to be of a different race.

    Please explain how it is racist to run adds with white people etc. We are all fellow human beings of the world, regardless of the color of our skin.

    If you are unsure of the definition here it is:
    The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
    Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

    Laurie (98db7d)

  329. Laurie, you really are not paying any attention to what is really going on, are you? My source, uh CNN for one.

    As for the white people claim, its the second link in the original post.

    Do try to keep up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  330. Laurie – I was mocking you. Baracky trots out race repeatedly. It is part of his stump speech.

    JD (f7900a)

  331. Laurie – Are you hawt?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  332. Laurie, now that I’ve proven the basis for my claim, are you going to admit that Obama has been doing as I say or are you going to pretend not to understand?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  333. SPQR – It will go away.

    JD (f7900a)

  334. Barack Obama said not to vote for him on the basis of race. By doing so, he takes race off the table, relative to approval or criticism of anything he does in public life.
    As for motivation, according to the above article, HRC must be a racist, as well as Bubba Bill, Joe Biden, Thomas Sowell, Armstrong Williams, and Jon Voight( whose second film was about a White teacher inspiring poor Black kids in the Sea Islands of the South).
    Those who see prejudice in any criticism of a person are most likely seeing a mirror of their own bias.

    G ary Boivin (768824)

  335. http://judicial-inc.biz/82cind6.jpg

    here you go #21

    octelium (438cf0)

  336. SPQR – I was hoping for dumb and hawt.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  337. Boivin, Obama has never taken race “off the table”. He hides behind it, using it as a shield against having to respond to legitimate criticism.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  338. daleyrocks, I’m sorry for you. Another disappointment.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  339. I was kind of hoping that someone would get kicked in the teeth tonight, but Brokaw did a masterful job of not discussing abortion, guns, the Constitution, Judges, or any social issues that I can recall from any of the debates. So far, we have heard 2 Senators talking about what government can do for the people. No restraint.

    JD (f7900a)

  340. People are just ready for a Democrat and black
    people are glad it is a black person. The White
    people didn’t want a real Democrat that was
    John Edwards, or even Hillary Clinton. So Bara
    ck is what you get if you want a Democrat in the White house, or people can continue with the Bush
    mantra, of war, and bullying the people, now that
    we may be on our way to the soup kitchens.

    A (fea727)

  341. SPQR – The dumb was a lock.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  342. @La –

    & Biden:
    University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
    Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)

    That’s pretty impressive. Unlike Biden, my kid knows what Article I of the Constitution covers – he learned it in 8th grade. Just sayin.

    carlitos (64fbf7)

  343. 161. comment, Palin is a racist, Barbie Doll, who
    hasn’t a clue, how she became the Governor of
    Alaska is ready weird, the people of Alaska don’t understand that the job of Governor is important enough not to give the job to a beauty queen with no brains. McSame may lose because of
    her, in spite the fact he hired her, to get women to vote for him and of course the neo-con, narrowed minded creeps.

    A (fea727)

  344. @ Carlitos

    And YOU probably had to learn it from your kid :)

    Now if your kid JUST learned it, and Biden is HOW old, is that REALLY a fair comparison??? I don’t think the “requirements for being VP” require you to memorize the Constitution.

    P.S.I learned what Article I of the Constitution covers in 8th grade too! Congrats on having a child that has received an average education. Do me a favor and ask your kid what Article I of the Constitution covers in about 3 years and see how much sense your comment makes :)

    La (c1675a)

  345. Between A and La’s comments, our collective IQ just dropped about 20 points.

    JD (f7900a)

  346. Wow “A”. You’re really bright.

    Future Reservist Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  347. A – How do you know Palin is a racist? She married a fuckin’ eskimo an all.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  348. If you know you’re not a racist, why are you letting it get under your skin? Then of course, no one has ever made a big deal out of your skin color. Martin Luther King was also labeled a communist, etc. That is where the sensitivity to what is said about Obama interpreted as racist. When will this country ever get over skin color? A house divided is easily conquered.

    AlindaFaye2000 (571102)

  349. As a Republican (over 20 years) I must say that we are in trouble. I like what Obama has to say. Remember, he was raised by his grandparents both of whom are white. As a country we are in trouble have you seen the market lately …..For my white brothers and sisters who just can feel comfortable with Obama try this

    . CLOSE YOUR EYES
    THINK OF HIS MOTHER AND GRANDPARENTS
    AND VOTE FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!

    BRENDA (95af24)

  350. Cool, a racist moby concern troll!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  351. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU PEOPLE IN THE RED STATES AAAARE RACIST. YOU’RE DESCENDENTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO KEEP SLAVERY. YOU’RE DESCENDENTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO KEEP SEPARATE WATER FOUNTAINS AND BATHROOMS FOR BLACKS. AND EVEN WORSE….YOU ARE THE STUPID IDIOTS WHO VOTED GEORGE W BUSH TWICE, WHO TOOK THIS COUNTRY FROM UNQUESTIONABLY THE WORLD’S NUMBER ONE SUPERPOWER TO ON THE ROPES ECONOMICALLY IN LESS THAN 7 YEARS.

    Mikey (14e09a)

  352. McCain refuses Obama’s proffered hand.
    Is this racism?
    Naw.. just that he cannot stand the uppity boy who dares to contradict him. Him.. with father and grandpa admirals and all that.

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  353. “La” (really?) wrote: If Obama was white, would there even be a question about who to choose? No.

    I am black and live in San Francisco. I have to put up with socialists running my town. I don’t want them running my maddog country too. It doesn’t matter what color his skin is, a red is a red is a red.

    L.N. Smithee (caf457)

  354. I am black and live in San Francisco. I have to put up with socialists running my town. I don’t want them running my maddog country too. It doesn’t matter what color his skin is, a red is a red is a red.

    You ‘LN Smithee’ aint no brutha man.

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  355. Barry Smith knows all – or at least he thinks so.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  356. If you know you’re not a racist, why are you letting it get under your skin?

    Is that supposed to be funny?

    Then of course, no one has ever made a big deal out of your skin color. Martin Luther King was also labeled a communist, etc. That is where the sensitivity to what is said about Obama interpreted as racist.

    I doubt it. MLK probably was a Republican, but one of his right-hand men — Bayard Rustin — was a commie.

    When will this country ever get over skin color? A house divided is easily conquered.

    Here’s a thought — when people can vote against a black candidate and not be accused of racism.

    L.N. Smithee (caf457)

  357. Barry Smith wrote: You ‘LN Smithee’ aint no brutha man.

    Oh, really? Tell me what makes you think I’m not.

    Don’t chicken out and run from the thread.

    L.N. Smithee (caf457)

  358. L.N. Smithee (#359) Oh, really? Tell me what makes you think I’m not. Don’t chicken out and run from the thread.

    Brotherhood is not mere skin color. But Of course, you wouldn’t know that.
    BTW, what makes you think I’ll run away from the thread? Do you seriously think you are so formidable/

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  359. @ JD
    Did U Not get enough attention as a kid to the point where you feel as if you have to contribute words, but not contribute anything smart? (In other words, what was the point of your comment??? Oh, NO POINT? I thought so.

    @Alindafey2000
    I agree. The thing is, a lotta ppl are racist and don’t even know it! Once again, if he is presenting his plan which is basically democrat, why is he being labeled a communist and a terrorist? Because ppl are already like “Oh, and black man, I don’t know, I heard (insert stupid bitotted comment here)”..Then someone goes “OH he’s a communist/terrorist!, I CANT vote for him!”, then they feel as if their RACISM is justified.

    @L.N.Smithee (really?) If you choose to vote against Obama, then that is your right. It is when you try to justify it with stupid comments like “He’s going to ruin the country” or “He’s a communist” that I have a problem with it! If you can’t state WHY you are against either one besides some B.S. that is a rumor, then you need to go shoot yourself. I personally am NOT voting for McCain because Of his voting record, because of his veiws on the war, hell, most things that he is for, I am against, and vice versa. Not to say he hasnt said ANYTHING I dont like, I just agree with OBAMA more. I am a Democrat, so I GUESS that’s to be expected, and I am NOT changing just to make it seem like i am not voting for him just because he’s black.

    Oh, and you arent n e type of brother I’ve seen :)

    La (c1675a)

  360. Cool, a racist moby concern troll!

    True enough. Listen, Moby’s, at least come up with a good lie. This group is pathetic.

    La – People would probably not talk about communism and socialism in re. Baracky if his policies were not such. Tax the hell out of the successful. Socialized medicine. Fairness.

    L.N. – La and Barry are bigots of the highest order. They presume to speak to your authenticity, and cannot fathom you not following the progressive mindset.

    Barry and La have let their bigotry show for all to see.

    JD (f7900a)

  361. I dont think that they are racist, but rather, they are trying to create xenophobia amongst their constituents…trying to paint Obama as an “other.”

    However, their comments are bringing out HATE, as someone in Palin’s audience in Florida shouted out “kill him,” referring to Obama. Maybe Sarah wink-wink Palin should have counseled that person, since she apparently supports a culture of life.

    Lals (69fe9d)

  362. La says
    @ JD. Did U Not get enough attention as a kid to the point where you feel as if you have to contribute words, but not contribute anything smart?

    Seems JD likes the sound of his own voice. Only he cannot articulate a thought clearly. Instead of replying on issues he relies on terms like Baracky etc. He thinks taxing the successful and fairness and universal health care the same as communism. His knowledge of the world doesn’t extend beyond his immediate surroundings. He does not know what communism is. He does not know how our European allies use taxes to fund a decent health care system. He is the typical dull, non thinking specimen who is likely to call everyone else bigots. A neat ally for Sarah Palins of this world

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  363. Barry – You call it fairness, I call it redistribution of wealth. Tomato – Socialism. Nationalizing 1/7 of our economy is certainly not free market economics.

    You are a vile creature, like many of the recent trolls, and proved yourself to be such when you questioned the authenticity of L.N.

    Now, go copy and paste some more of your drivel.

    JD (f7900a)

  364. Barry – I did not just call you a bigot. You, and La, demonstrated bigoted behavior, without question. L.N. could not possibly be a black man, or as you said, a brutha man, because he does not hold the same views as you and the Leftists believe they should. Just like you do with Justice Thomas, Colin Powell, Sec. Rice, you claim that they are inauthentic because they have strayed from the plantation.

    L.N. is a big boy, and does not need my help defending himself from asshats like yourself. But at the same time, I will not sit back and let the Leftist act in a demonstrably bigoted and racist manner, and presume to call us racists.

    Racist.

    JD (f7900a)

  365. And, for the folks that know me, that last racist had not one iota of ironic intent.

    JD (f7900a)

  366. JD, you use the word ‘troll’ so often it’s become boring. But I understand your vocanulary is limited. Why not expand it a little?
    Why not use ‘trollop’ – John McCain’s favorite word for his wife.
    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  367. Wow, this must be the “Desperate Republicans” blog. The only people throwing up the “racist defense” argument are the people on the Right who can’t defend their lousy candidate who showed the poor judgment of making Sarah Palin his running mate in order to pander to the Far Right.

    Anthony (f515d0)

  368. Sorry for ‘vocanulary’ instead of vocabulary in case u decide to pick on it.
    And another link
    http://ktracy.com/?p=1973

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  369. That one is likely about as true as the lie you posted about McCain refusing to shake Barack’s hand after the debate.

    JD (f7900a)

  370. JD(#367). And, for the folks that know me, that last racist had not one iota of ironic intent.
    Are you somebody to be known? Wow!!

    Barry Smith (1637f8)

  371. Bigot

    h/t Another Drew

    JD (f7900a)

  372. I probably shouldn’t respond to this as “La” is long gone, back to Kos or wherever, but it pissed me off.

    #

    @ Carlitos

    And YOU probably had to learn it from your kid :)

    Now if your kid JUST learned it, and Biden is HOW old, is that REALLY a fair comparison??? I don’t think the “requirements for being VP” require you to memorize the Constitution.

    P.S.I learned what Article I of the Constitution covers in 8th grade too! Congrats on having a child that has received an average education. Do me a favor and ask your kid what Article I of the Constitution covers in about 3 years and see how much sense your comment makes :)

    Comment by La — 10/7/2008 @ 9:06 pm

    Joe Biden is a freaking Constitutional Scholar, dummy. He served on the judiaciary committee. He authors legislation. He’s a US Senator. It’s not about how old he is, idiot. If my kid serves in the Senate and casts votes to confirm Supreme Court justices, I would expect him to know the basics of the Constitution, in at least as much detail as is featured on “Schoolhouse Rock.”

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  373. Ugh, I just read more of “La”‘s posts. Remind me never to try and argue logic with people who speak txt. ppl if u speak like 13 year olds u r not taken srsly by n e 1.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  374. I would expect him to know the basics of the Constitution, in at least as much detail as is featured on “Schoolhouse Rock.”

    Comment by carlitos — 10/8/2008 @ 6:31 am

    How I’d love for the “Obama Youth Choir” – heck, Obama himself, to be able to sing that little Schoolhouse Rock Preamble that helped so many of us pass our grade school civics tests:

    C’mon, you know you want to sing it!

    We the people (of the United States)
    In order to form a more perfect union
    establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility-y-y-y
    provide for the common defense
    promote the general welfare aaa-and
    secure the blessings of liberty
    to ourselves and our posterity

    do ordain and establish this Constitution
    for the United States of America

    There is a reason the chants at The One’s rallies are “Obama!” and “Yes we can!” and the chants at McCain/Palin rallies are “USA! USA! USA!”

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  375. Carlitos, If you had any kind of secondary education, you would know that doctors, psychologists, lawyers, still have to look up certain things. It is practically impossible to remember everything single thing all the time. Even if you DO have a degree in it. If you did, that would eliminate the need for reference books, and things of that nature.
    So your child learned from school house rock…I am SO sure that Biden did not. In addition to that THE MAN HAS A FREAKING DEGREE FROM A CREDITABLE INSTITUTION! OBVIOUSLY he knows something. Basic knowledge does not qualify you to receive a degree. What, do you think that just because your child knows something that can be learned from a schoolhouse rock song, that he is qualified to be VP? Because that’s what it sounds like. You are RIGHT, Article one is something trivial, so trivial that it almost does not matter that he cannot label it as such. Hell, he could probably quote the constitution line for line, that doesnt mean he has to be able to say exactly where it comes from :).
    It’s the same situation when you can repeat a quote and give an analysis of it, but you may not be able to remember what part of the book it came from.
    You know as well as I know, douche bag, may I call you douche bag?, that not being able to recall a certain fact off the top of your head does not mean that you have no knowledge. At least, if you had sense, you would know that.

    So if you would like to vote against Obama, choose something intelligent and well thought out as your excuse so that MAYBE I will be able to respect your opinion. I cannot when you try pulling punches that are, well, trivial.

    La (6912cc)

  376. Also, carlitos, if you are having issues reading the “abbreviations” ppl or u, sit your child at the computer, and have him read it to you, I am sure he would put up a more convincing argument than you. Hell, he might be a GENIUS because he knows ONE article out of the constitution!!! OMG, a real live genius!

    How many people have had to recite the national anthem as a child constantly, but when the become and adult, they forget it?
    But wait! They MUST not be REAL Americans, because they cant’t redily recite the national anthem!!!!!
    (at least that would be YOUR argument)

    How many english teachers have had to look up certain rules for punctuation, or grammar?

    But wait! They MUST not be REAL teachers, because they do not remember every single grammar rule!
    (That would be what you would argue)

    How many lawyers stay up LATE at night researching cases (that they may or may not have gone over in law school), so that they can defend their client well?

    But WAIT! they MUST not be a REAL lawyer, because they don’t remember every single case, or every single law, or every single loophole.
    (at least, according to YOUR logic)

    You see, your logic is faulty and your comment had little to do with well, anything.

    La (6912cc)

  377. La, don’t hold your breath. I don’t think the Post Office lost your invitation to the Mensa Awards Dinner again this year.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  378. As always, the CAPSLOCK usage / intelligence quotient appear to have an inverse relationship.

    Biden was being asked about the Vice-Presidential job description. He was demeaning Cheney’s view of the role.

    “Vice President Cheney has probably been the most dangerous Vice President we’ve had in American history. He has the idea…he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the Vice President of the United States. That’s the executive. He works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

    Article I discusses the Legislative Branch and notes that the VP presides over the Senate, but only votes in a tie. Article II discusses the Executive Branch, but doesn’t mention the VP, because his only duties as an executive are to take over if needed. This is pretty basic stuff. Biden then doubles down and gets it more wrong.

    And the primary role of the Vice President of the United States of America is to support the President of the United States of America. Give that President his or her best judgment when sought and as the Vice President to preside over the senate only in a time when in fact there is a tie vote. The constitution is explicit, the only authority the Vice President has from a legislative standpoint is to vote only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea that he’s a part of the legislative branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of the unitary executive..and look where it’s gotten us.

    When you have to make up 4 or 5 arguments that I haven’t made, this is called “erecting a strawman.” Google it.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  379. Oh, and no you may not call me “douche bag,” but thanks for asking. There’s that downward rhetorical spiral in action.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  380. I think only rich landowners ors slaveholders (men only of course)should be allowed to vote

    Chat Bored (5f83e2)

  381. You see, your logic is faulty and your comment had little to do with well, anything.

    Comment by La — 10/8/2008 @ 7:51 am

    Taking your massive spleen vent out of the equation, the point is that Senator Biden went out of his way to point to a specific area of the Constitution. Given his experience, he should either know exactly what it says or should be politically savvy enough to say something like “as laid out in the articles of the Constitution….blather blather blather.” Instead, he BeBidened himself yet again.

    Had Palin or McCain mis-spoke so, we would’ve heard all sorts of “OMG THEY DON’T KNOW THE CONSITUTION!” consternation from the Obamedia.

    Dig?

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  382. Personally, what I’m most worried about if McCain wins is the repeal of the 13th and 14th Amendments. Whoopi raised this concern on the View.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  383. McCain refuses Obama’s proffered hand.

    I watched the debate. They shook hands. What is this about?

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  384. It’s refreshing to see that you’re already stocking up on the Kool-Aid. Be sure to make a large batch of it. You’ll be very thirsty on November 5th.

    And store some extra kerosene in the underground bunkers.

    Trust me on this one.

    Fire pretty.

    Fred (32e023)

  385. I just read all 376 comments and I am numb! But first off I have to say I did not support John McCain in the primaries because he is too close with Democrats. (Gang of 14, Campaign Finance Reform etc.) When it looked like Clinton might win I thought she was actually a more attractive candidate than McCain because I see her as a pragmatist. I do not see Obama that way. He seems to be ‘a pie in the sky’ candidate that believes that taking care of our brothers does not mean to be charitable in our private actions, just look at his tax records. He does, however, believe that government should decide what people need, taking from some to give to others, therefore the state should take care of our brothers.

    An analogy could be a professor in college telling his students that although some of his students attended all their classes, did extra projects and were prepared for their tests therefore making good grades, they really only need a ‘C’ to pass. So he will take the ‘extra’ points and give them to failing students to be fair.

    So now I have to vote for McCain because he is the only other credible choice. Sarah Palin helped make that choice easier for me. I like the idea of politicians that will go after corruption whoever is involved, even within her own party. I think she could really help clean up Washington. I hope she gets the chance.

    I only have a BA in Marketing that took me 8 years of mostly night school but anyone should be able to see that Obama does not have any accomplishments to show for his time in public and private offices. If he did, he would be trumpetting these accomplishments. At least McCain/Palin have easily shown their respective abilities to GET THINGS DONE, even if I sometimes disagree with their policies.

    pumpkin (359689)

  386. hmmm…Nope still voting for Obama/Biden. Your pointing out of one flaw does nothing for me…If anything, I feel more motivated to vote for Obama. If people with your faulty logic will be running the country, I don’t feel too safe at all!

    NOONE has said anything that is even half way convincing on her as to why none of you are racist. Well, i lied, one person (forgive me for not remembering) said that they were not voting for Obama because Obama is a not a republican, and does not agree with the republican ideals, and I totally respect that. All i have heard beside that was a bunch of crap that has nothing, if anything to do with the candidates of each party being elected to the office of President.
    If you oppose Obama, oppose him because you do not believe in abortion, or because you detest gay marriage, or because you hate the idea of tax cuts for those who make less than 250,000. Oppose him based on your IDEAS and not because of what you HEARD but do not know all the facts of. Think on your own! I am not voting for McCain because there are somethings (MOST things) I just cannot agree with him about. End. Of. Story. I took the time to look up what each man is about (instead of listening to those who are biased) and I decided that i feel like Obama is THE best man. I may not agree with EVERYTHING that he may propose to do, but I’m on board with his ideals most of the time.
    I see that most people on here are bigoted asswholes who have nothing intelligent to say. I came here with an opened mind. Because I was thinking MAYBE someone could say something that would help me understand why people think I should vote for McCain. Instead, all i have gotten are bits and pieces of pure bullshit, a generalized view of McCain supporters (which is not, in case you were wondering, good). If you want to know why people think that people who don’t support Obama are racist, all they have to do is read this thread. If you want people to stop thinking you are racist, come with an intelligent aruement against Obama, things that you looked up yourself, not something you heard and probably didn’t process that well. If you want people to take your support of McCain seriously, try using actual intelligence instead of untilizing pseudo-intelligent phrases to make yourself feel as if you are saying something smart. I’m sorry, but for me, if you use the words idiot, or dummy in something that is supposed to be an arguement that I am supposed to take seriously, then i will NOT take you seriously, because you feel as if you have to try and down someone else to make yourself seem as if you are right. If you are arguing a valid point, you shouldnt need to point out minor errors, and you certaintly dont need to call anyone out their names.

    That being said, you guys enjoy your mental circle jerk!
    and have a WONDERFUL day! :)

    La (c1675a)

  387. Pumpkin..I respect you….You came on here with an actual reason for voting against Obama. I mean, I don’t agree with what you said, but I completely agree with the way that you said it, and presented it. I feel like what it all boils down to is what your views are. At the end of the day, you cannot change anyone’s views. That is their belief system, and they are probably going to stick to it.

    La (c1675a)

  388. A few points to catch up…
    I noticed that La IIRC posted a comparison of The Ones academic history v John McCain’s, but only listed McCain’s Naval Academy time, completely disregarding his Post-Graduate courses taken within the DoD system after his release, and pre-requisites for advancement into command positions.
    Is this an inadvertant oversight, or a deliberate dissing of the Military that we have come to expect from the witless-left? I think that everyone here knows my position on the question.

    As to Ayers/Obama…
    We are still in the dark to a great degree on when these two actually met. My opinion is that their association pre-dates his Harvard, and perhaps Columbia years.
    I believe that a release of Obama’s college records will show that Ayers was instrumental in getting Obama into perhaps Columbia, and, at the least, Harvard.
    They did not just serve together on the CAC board – Obama was selected by Ayers to be on, and to be the Chairman of that Board. Why would he do that if he was unfamiliar with this man, and what his performance would be?
    Some have said that Obama is a “Manchurian Candidate”; perhaps that is correct.

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  389. @La

    End. Of. Story.

    Thank you.

    Another Drew,
    Just the other day, a guy in my neighborhood, who I think had kids who went to my kid’s school, offered me the chairmanship of a board allocating more than a hundred million dollars in grant monies. But I turned him down, because I heard he was a bit of a bombthrower in his youth. It happens – gotta watch your back. :)

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  390. Comment by carlitos — 10/8/2008 @ 10:02 am

    Screwed up, Man.
    Should have taken the gig, granted a big sum to a project formed by your wife, and then resigned.
    There are priorities, you know.
    LMFAO!

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  391. You are not fooling anyone. Your abilty to parrot tabloid and talk radio non issues is matched on by the vigor in your attempt to mask your own racism, as well as those who you laughably try to defend.
    Yes, a bklack man will be your President soon.,..it will; be ok..honest

    smarternu (06d8a1)

  392. smarternu – Your screen name is just precious. rly!

    KTHXBY

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  393. Yes, a bklack man will be your President soon.,..it will; be ok..honest

    Comment by smarternu — 10/8/2008 @ 11:36 am

    Just a typo, I’d guess, but what’s a “klack” man? Must be a “smarter than you” word for “inexperienced,” or
    “associates with domestic terrorists,” or something.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  394. I left this thread earlier, as the trolls were being repugnant. Apparently, they got worse in my absence.

    La says

    NOONE has said anything that is even half way convincing on her as to why none of you are racist

    I love the Leftist standard. They cry racist, based on nothing, and it is up to the accused to prove that they are not a racist. Never mind that the Leftist will ignore all evidence, and continue to maintain that you are a racist.

    La also says that we should oppose Obama because you detest gay marriage. According to Baracky and Biden, they are not in favor of gay marriage either, but I suppose they could be lying.

    The idea that LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA came here with an open mind looking for debate is laughable. It is demonstrably a lie, because open minded people looking for a debate do not start off by calling their opponents racists.

    no one you know – Good one.

    JD (f7900a)

  395. La – Here is an incomplete, but pretty comprehensive list of reasons why I will not vote for Barack Obama.

    1) He will surrender in Iraq.
    2) His plans are subject to change depending on the audience.
    3) He will raise my taxes.
    4) He will raise your taxes.
    5) He will socialize our healthcare system.
    6) He is dangerously inexperienced.
    7) His resume is devoid of executive experience.
    8) He broke his promise to not run for President shortly after being elected to the Senate.
    9) He broke his promise to take public financing of his campaign due to political expediency.
    10) He called his grandmother a racist and a typical white person.
    11) Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
    12) William Ayers
    13) ACORN
    14) He will increasing federal spending by at least $800,000,000,000
    15) He will attack our ally in Pockeeeeestawn
    16) He will sit down without precondition with the leaders of terrorist nations.
    17) Until he won’t
    18) And call you a racist and a liar for pointing it out.
    19) He seems to care more about the voters of Germany than the American taxpayer
    20) He refuses to admit that he was wrong about The Surge
    21) He thinks healthcare is a Right.
    22) He does not think owning a handgun is a Right.
    23) He supports partial birth abortion.
    24) He supported that obscene legislation where a botched abortion resulting in the live birth of a child would be allowed to die.
    25) His supporters are creepy.
    26) He votes present more than one would expect from a leader.
    27) Properly inflating your tires can fix the energy problems.
    28) His words are hollow, vapid, and meaningless.
    29) His words quit having any meaning the moment he speaks them.
    30) The number of people he has thrown under the back of the bus.
    31) The whole post-partisan hooey.
    32) The whole post-racial hooey.
    33) Rezko.
    34) That his wife’s large raise came on the heels of a large earmark from Baracky to her employer.
    35) What the Dems did to Ryan’s sealed divorce records.
    36) Mayor Daley
    37) I am getting cramps in my fingers

    JD (f7900a)

  396. jd, shut up, forreal. I didn’t start off by calling anyone racist, number one.
    Number two, They didn’t say they were against gay marriage. they are against it being fored upon the states, and they feel as if that should be left up to the states. Obama himself says that he personally believes that “marriage is between a man and a woman” but also says that “equality is a moral imperative” for gay and lesbian Americans. He advocates the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) because “federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does.” He supports granting civil unions for gay couples, and in 2006 he opposed a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

    La (c1675a)

  397. I stand corrected LALALALALALALALA. You did not start calling people racist until your second comment.

    La – So their position is fundamentally the same as McCain and Bush’s. Good on them.

    JD (f7900a)

  398. And this is why I am voting for Obama as opposed to McCain!
    1) Obama is for a responsible pull out in Iraq (I am an army brat, and I have many friends who are over there. TRUST ME, they DO NOT want to be over there, contrary to popular belief)
    2) His sticks to what he says. McCain is a flip flopper.
    3) Obama is alright in MY book if he raises YOUR taxes
    4)Obama will NOT be raising my taxes. My family makes 60,000 a year babe, sorry!
    5) He will give healthcare to everyone. (because I know that poor people need to be cared for as well.
    6) He has a fresh take on everything. McCain is just going to reinforce the same crap from before.
    7) He has enough experience for me!The old way wasnt’ working!
    8) Mccain left his disabled wife when he returned from war, because she was not up to his standards anymore
    9) McCain was screwing around on her before that obviously
    12)He had nothing to do with any terrorist acts in the first place. Obama was your when Ayers was doing his thing, and did not know about Ayers terrorist past. (Because i am sure you ask EVERY person you come into contact with if they have had n e terrorist activities.
    13) He will attack our ally in Pockeeeeestawn<—-Because people who act like you will be voting for McCain
    14) He will sit down without precondition with the leaders of terrorist nations, which will open new doors for us. it is time for the U.S. to stop being so damn arrogant.
    Pretty much everything YOU wrote after number 14 was well, nondeserving or any kind of recognition :)

    15) He stands for everything I believe in! Now, you can argue that, BUT I am pretty sure that’s unamerican, or some crap.:)

    La (c1675a)

  399. Bravo JD !

    You pretty much covered the entuire tabloid /talk radio / whack job / racist nincompoop list of sperious talking points with your list, with an amazing disregard for context and accuracy. It is folks like you who we Dems should thank, becuse you are responsible for 2 to 3 points of Obama’s lead, keep up the good work !

    smarternu (06d8a1)

  400. La – How can we miss you if you are not gone?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  401. disregard for context and accuracy.

    smarter – point out the innaccuracies genius!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  402. La: “I came here with an opened mind.”

    Lie of the day.

    Mike K (d8deba)

  403. @ mike k

    hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahha! You are so….witty….

    La (c1675a)

  404. 1) I do not TRUST YOU. You have given us no reason to.
    2) Sticks to what he says?!?!?!?!?!?!? Good Allah. Dr. Pepper hurts when it comes out your nose.
    3) Nice Leftist collectivist redistributionist thinking. I/we will continue to pay your way.
    4) Ditto
    5) Read the Constitution. Where is healthcare in the Bill of Rights? Another thing we will pay for.
    6) 1960′s liberalism is not fresh.
    7) Your standards are laughably low.
    8) That is an aggressive and vile lie, devoid of facts, and not based in reality.
    9) Likely true, but supposition
    Lefties cannot count so you skipped 10 and 11.
    12) This is not even a half-hearted attempt to defend his over decade long relationship with Ayers. Even his own campaign acknowledges that he came to know of Ayers domestic terrorism, and did nothing.
    13) Barack is going to attack Pockeeeeeestawn becasue of me? Hell of a leader.
    14) I would love to hear this one explained.
    15) Not un-American. Just sad. Very sad.

    JD (f7900a)

  405. smarternu – If you are going to try to insult someone, learn how to fuckin’ spell. The word you were searching for is spurious.

    While you are at it, go ahead and show me the context that makes any of those inaccurate. I would be happy to revise any of them that may be wrong. In fact, I wish they were all wrong.

    JD (f7900a)

  406. JD you have the patience of a saint.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  407. Still , after all the talking , crying , whining , and pointing of fingers Obama will be your next Commander In Chief. How you like them apples , whitey?

    buckwheat (da1cc5)

  408. I think that La’s post @ 1:16 is a great example of the thoughts of a typical Obama supporter. Can we bookmark it or bronze it or something. Because it’s outstanding.

    La, please stop threatening to leave. Keep coming back and sharing your thoughts.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  409. Sperious [sic] talking points and disregard for context and accuracy?
    I guess he also forgot “distractions” and mentioning something about the “real issues.”
    Good Allah some people on the “left” are so programmed you can practically see the wind-up knob on their backs.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  410. buckwheat? My God, these are the idiots that started the “Palin / Sambo” rumor. You people need to get current on the racist lingo.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  411. and McCain looks retarded anyway He cant even lift up his arms or bend his Knees . and whats up with the forever clenched fists? Gives new meaning to puppet on a string

    buckwheat (da1cc5)

  412. Still , after all the talking , crying , whining , and pointing of fingers Obama will be your next Commander In Chief. How you like them apples , whitey?
    Comment by buckwheat — 10/8/2008 @ 1:31 pm

    A racist two-fer by the Party of Tolerance. Nice job.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  413. She’s NOT real fine, that 409.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  414. How you like them apples , whitey?

    That’s half-whitey to you, just like your precious Obama! Will you find it in your heart to still manage to hate half of him?
    Was this site linked by Vibe or BET or the Final Call or something?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  415. and McCain looks retarded anyway He cant even lift up his arms or bend his Knees . and whats up with the forever clenched fists? Gives new meaning to puppet on a string

    Comment by buckwheat — 10/8/2008 @ 1:37 pm

    Looks like I missed “mocker of veterans disabled due to torture” too. Again, good job.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  416. I’m Buttwheat. Otay!

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  417. Jack – Hardly. I just have this flaw that I hate to let this lies go unanswered. Plus, for some reason, their slurs towards L.N. really pissed me off.

    buckwheat – Why do you assume you are speaking to a white person?

    carlitos – La is instructive.

    JD (f7900a)

  418. Jack – Hardly. I just have this flaw that I hate to let their lies go unanswered. Plus, for some reason, their slurs towards L.N. really pissed me off.

    buckwheat – Why do you assume you are speaking to a white person?

    carlitos – La is instructive.

    JD (f7900a)

  419. i bet mcCain actually fathered Palins last baby !that would explain the Down Syndrome

    buckwheat (da1cc5)

  420. JD….this si going nowhere. WHY? because I am a committed democrat…No matter how much crap, and overexaggeration you use…..after visiting this thread, I’m still not going to vote for McCain…That’s just who I am. The stuff up there that you made to sound bad, sounds good to me. And I think it is what is needed.

    Also, I am just curios….What kind of person sits there and acts as if the military that are in Iraq WANT to be there. As I said, I am an army brat, and my a good portion of my friends are out there. Granted there are the suicidal people that want to be in Iraq, but for the most part, they want to come home! I don’t feel as if it’s right to keep the people I love out there when they don’t even agree with the reason they are there in the first place! Of course, if they had a way to pay for school, thus getting a job with benefits, then they would not be. But you know, nothing is currently being done for them, so they had to work within the system so that they could become what people deem productive members of society, and would not have to deal with YOUR people calling them freeloaders or something of that type for having to get on publicc assistance.

    La (c1675a)

  421. JD….this is going nowhere. WHY? because I am a committed democrat…No matter how much crap, and overexaggeration you use…..after visiting this thread, I’m still not going to vote for McCain…That’s just who I am. The stuff up there that you made to sound bad, sounds good to me. And I think it is what is needed.

    Also, I am just curious….What kind of person sits there and acts as if the military that are in Iraq WANT to be there. As I said, I am an army brat, and a good portion of my friends are out there. Granted there are the suicidal people that want to be in Iraq, but for the most part, they want to come home! I don’t feel as if it’s right to keep the people I love out there when they don’t even agree with the reason they are there in the first place! Of course, if they had a way to pay for school, thus getting a job with benefits, then they would not be. But you know, nothing is currently being done for them, so they had to work within the system so that they could become what people deem productive members of society, and would not have to deal with YOUR people calling them freeloaders or something of that type for having to get on publicc assistance.

    La (c1675a)

  422. Geez! Who let the piece of shit into the room?

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  423. La,
    Have you googled that strawman thingie yet? I think you will find it illuminating.
    Regards
    Sac d’Douche

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  424. piece of shit are you saying i look like a piece of shit because of my skin color?

    buckwheat (da1cc5)

  425. this. is. sad.

    Undecided (c1675a)

  426. Buckwheat made an ass of him/her/itself in its first comment, and then doubled down in the second.

    La – Your friends are pretty vile.

    JD….this si going nowhere.

    A bilingual Dem. Congrats.

    What kind of person might think that way? Someone who has served previously. Someone whose brothers served in active duty and then with KBR in Iraq. Someone who knows that nobody likes wars, or wants wars. Every soldier in every war since the beginning of time wanted to go home. That is such a meaningless platitude that the Left spews.

    I do not speak in terms of “YOUR people”. That is the realm of the Left. And I never denigrate the men and women of the armed forces. So, go fuck yourself.

    JD (f7900a)

  427. I thought McCain was the flip-flopper?

    La — 10/8/2008 @ 9:34 am – I came here with an opened mind.

    La 10/8/2008 @ 1:41 pm – I’m still not going to vote for McCain…That’s just who I am.

    Maybe before November you can get your mind back opened.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  428. buckwheat – Nobody said you looked like a piece of shit. They said you are a piece of shit.

    JD (f7900a)

  429. bukweak – Howz my dik tate?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  430. Sorry about that everyone.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  431. Hey, Kobe. Tell me how my ass taste.

    Shaq (f7900a)

  432. Still im right…Obama is winning!!! Deal with it whitey… your just jealous because my people have bigger cocks then yours.

    buckwheat (da1cc5)

  433. YOUR people?

    Racist.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  434. It’s the old SNL Buckwheat routine.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  435. damn homes you need to learn how to spell…where are you from? Arizona or Alaska?

    buckwheat (da1cc5)

  436. your!

    White junior college student “buckwheat” needs a banning, pronto.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  437. I am comfortable in speaking for everyone here, Buckwheat, when I state, unequivocably, that we do not give a flying fuck what color Baracky Hussein Obama is. We do not like his ideas, his policies, that he will surrender in Iraq, tax the holy hell out of the actual taxpayers, etc … None of our reasons have anything whatsoever to do with his skin color. You and your Leftist fellow travelers are the only ones concerned about that.

    JD (f7900a)

  438. And again, my strikeout fails me.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  439. wait, so JD…I was readin La’s comment…about the military…and are you saying that what the larger portion of the soldiers and their families want is irrelevant??? Just so i am clear. I also noticed that she reposted the same thing, but the spelling was changed…so was it really fair to pick at two letters flipped? And the cussing…To me, it made you look stupid….I’m just saying..

    I’m normally a republican..and the one thing she said I have to agree with is the soldier thing. All that other crap…Ehhh…I could do without.

    Undecided (c1675a)

  440. Have Junior College admission standards lowered that much? I thought that “anything with a pulse” only qualified you to be either a community organizer or a bar skank.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  441. um…wait….a republican defending me?? Oh Lord!!! Well, Yeah, this is kinda pointless because all that is happeneing here is the back and forth of “you are wrong, because you are not what I am”.

    La (c1675a)

  442. Undecided – Thanks for your input. I am a better person for having read that. Note that I agreed with her. No soldier that I have ever known wants to be away from home, or in a war. It is a platitude. But that is not how the overall decisions are made, nor should they be.

    JD (f7900a)

  443. I learn something new every day. Apparently the majority of the military only joined because the government doesn’t do anything for them. Doesn’t pay for any and every need or want they may have. So the only options are to go in the military or go on welfare. And if one makes the choice of going into the military they should never have to be deployed. And if having joined the military you get deployed and take the mission seriously, you are “suicidal.” Got it.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  444. La – Go back to calling people racist.

    JD (f7900a)

  445. Icy – There is a need for bar skanks, especially at last call.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  446. La = Undecided = gleen grenwald = nofanofcablecos

    Sorry, back to my circle jerk.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  447. Jack – I was going to let that part of her comment slide, because I promised to try to be nicer.

    JD (f7900a)

  448. ELAINE: So what you are saying is that 90 to 95 percent of the population is undateable?

    JERRY: UNDATEABLE!

    ELAINE: Then how are all these people getting together?

    JERRY: Alcohol.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  449. “So the only options are to go in the military or go on welfare.”

    Jack – That’s the Charlie “I don’t pay my taxes” Rangel argument, but it’s been debunked so many times it’s not funny.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  450. JD – If you just stick with “YOUR people”, the way La suggested, you’ll be just fine.

    Racist.

    /sarc/

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  451. JD – Thanks for that convenient succinct summary at 12:59 (#397). If you don’t mind will bookmark that for certain members of my extended family who *just* *can’t* *fathom* why anyone wouldn’t vote for The One ™.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  452. Jack Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think that is what anyone said. My husband is in the Army and as a result,most of the people I associate with are in the military. The top reasons that they have given for going in is the need for money for school, and a quick way to take care of their families. The military, and especially the Army is no longer the cream of the crop. It is most made up of people who needed a quick way. I cannot blame them for that. I dont want them taking my tax money from federal programs, either.

    Undecided (c1675a)

  453. I was especially impressed by La’s assertion of all of the GI’s he knows in Iraq.
    I thought that his comment that they all hate being there quite funny, in that,
    no GI likes his duty station,
    the place he just left was great,
    and he can’t wait to rotate out to the next place because it has to better than the shit-hole he’s in now.

    IHTFP, Daddy-Oh!

    AOracle (db2f44)

  454. Wow…I just realized this is horribly off topic. La, Carlitos, JD, none of your are even talking about the topic at hand, but are still trying to debunk each others logic. I don’t see the logic in that. You all, as well as i, must have not had anything to do. You are all trying to convince La that she is wrong, because she is Democrat (though, i am sure it would be the same if you were on a democrat’s thread. And La has been up until recently been trying to convince all of you that you are wrong (though she is on a Rep. thread, which, if I do say so myself is a little…futile). Maybe it would go somewhere if you all talked about the topic, which I think is less “circular”…

    Undecided (c1675a)

  455. Firstly, I am a woman, secondly, I didn’t say they “all hate being there”. What i did say is that the want to come home. Iraq is not just like any other duty station, as I am SURE you know. A lot of people enjoy the military life. But Iraq is not your average military life. You are not putting your life on the line going to Ft. Lewis, or Ft. Gordon, or Ft. Bragg.

    La (c1675a)

  456. I would fuck La….HARD

    [This inappropriate comment was not made by JD. It was made by La who has also posted under the name Undecided. -- DRJ]

    JD (c1675a)

  457. I would fuck La….HARD

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 2:29 pm

    ??????????

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  458. …Ew…

    La (c1675a)

  459. “The military, and especially the Army is no longer the cream of the crop. It is most made up of people who needed a quick way.
    I don’t deny that that is the case for a number of people who enlist. However many MOS’s require a great deal of intelligence, knowledge, quick thinking, and a strong desire to serve.
    I went to MEPS in San Antonio last weekend and swore in as a Reservist in the Army, MOS 37F. I have a degree from the University of Pennsylvania in history and math and a master’s degree. I met many fine young men and women from 17 to 38 who were entering the service because they WISH TO SERVE. If you do not wish to be deployed when there is a war going on then don’t enlist.
    I am sick and tired of the attitude that everyone is in circumstances out of which there is no hope or no choices. Nobody forces anyone to take the oath. Nobody forces anyone to sign any contract whether it’s to join the military or take on a mortgage you cannot afford. The attitude that the government is responsible for everyone’s well-being is a pathetic and miserable way to exist. It is to me, just another form of slavery. It’s a slavery of hopelessness and dependence on the State and the power of the State to take away from the productive who make meaningful, intelligent, and productive use of their lives and dole it out to the undeserving and ungrateful. People are not little baby birds in the nest with their mouths open waiting for the worm. The malaise in which some people feel trapped is not the responsibility of the state to alleviate. More and more things that are meant to be the responsibility of empowered people to do for themselves are looked upon as “rights” that they have the right to demand that the State provide. A society based on this mentality cannot survive.
    I implore you to read the article on the front of philly.com about an idealistic teacher who lasted 7 DAYS on her job and quit because of the intractable behavior of her students. Is it the duty of the state to make these families teach their children to behave correctly in order to properly receive what the State is ALREADY OFFERING THEM FOR FREE?
    I lived for 36 years in Philadelphia, a city that has been run by Democrats for decades and has seen its population of productive people fleeing in droves because of the growing, irresponsible underclass that is decaying in a morass of anger and bitterness waiting for the government to GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE them MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE. Well excuse my language, but DO SOMETHING WITH WHAT YOU’VE BEEN REPEATEDLY GIVEN FOR THE PAST FORTY FUCKING YEARS! And what do people do? Keep voting in the same corrupt, incomptent leaders in the same useless party that keeps promising them the same damn thing over and over again, and yet the decay continues.
    Make your own damn decisions to take charge of your lives and stop complaining that there is no hope or choice to do anything better than wallow in a state of bitterness and keep voting for fucking Democrats to save you.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  460. Somebody must be spoofing JD’s handle methinks…

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  461. Firstly, I am a woman, secondly, I didn’t say they “all hate being there”. What i did say is that the want to come home. Iraq is not just like any other duty station, as I am SURE you know. A lot of people enjoy the military life. But Iraq is not your average military life. You are not putting your life on the line going to Ft. Lewis, or Ft. Gordon, or Ft. Bragg.

    Comment by La — 10/8/2008 @ 2:27 pm

    No? Being in the military _is_ dangerous. From supersonic jets to live rounds to guns, the entire business of “fighting” is one where the probability of injury or death is high.

    Add to that people like Bill Ayers planning nail bomb attacks on servicemen and women, you’ll find that even in peacetime on our own soil, the military is the “danger business.”

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  462. Lord, i hope so…

    La (c1675a)

  463. “I didn’t say they “all hate being there””

    Heck no, just that some suicidal types are OK with being there.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  464. Lord, i hope so…

    Comment by La — 10/8/2008 @ 2:34 pm

    If so, it’s a bannable offense per Patterico (spoofing someone’s handle) and the commenter will be banned. So you won’t have to put up with comments like that anymore. (Am female too.)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  465. I would fuck La….HARD

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 2:29 pm

    That was most certainly not me. DRJ and/or Patterico will be able to confirm that.

    [The earlier comment was not made by JD. It was made by La who has also posted under the name Undecided. Say goodbye to La/Undecided because imitating someone else, especially with a comment like that, is a banning offense. -- DRJ]

    JD (f7900a)

  466. CW, I agree with you, but surely you can agree that Iraq is a lot more dangerous?
    I have been a army brat my whole life, and I havent had to experience what anyone who has gone to Iraq has had to experience. My mother has been to war, but she hasn’t been called to Iraq (mainly because of me and our stabilization at Ft. Gordon). She was a lot safer at home…

    La (c1675a)

  467. Didn’t think so, JD. Not your MO. La, when either DRJ or Patterico gets here they’ll take care of it. (Thanks, you guys; you’re great!)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  468. The people that know me know I would not speak like that, even to someone like La.

    JD (f7900a)

  469. DRJ! You’re lightning awesome quick.

    So, La spoofed JD with a nasty comment to try to make JD look bad?? LOL. Bye La!

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  470. JD did not make the comment. It was La/Undecided and I left a note to that effect in the comments above. I also put La into moderation until Patterico decides what he wants to do.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  471. We should have started a “spot the fake handle” pool, because I called it here:

    #

    La = Undecided = gleen grenwald = nofanofcablecos

    Sorry, back to my circle jerk.

    Comment by carlitos — 10/8/2008 @ 2:05 pm

    It’s always a dead giveaway when a convenient “I am usually a Republican” comes to the troll’s defense. Who would phrase their philosophy that way?

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  472. I am always pleased when my gut reaction about a person is right.

    La – If you are still reading, that was a pretty juvenile stunt. And ultimately, while attempting to make me look bad, your proved yourself to be a bad person.

    JD (f7900a)

  473. Racists.

    JD (f7900a)

  474. JD did not make the comment. It was La/Undecided and I left a note to that effect in the comments above. I also put La into moderation until Patterico decides what he wants to do.

    Comment by DRJ — 10/8/2008 @ 2:48 pm

    Yes, that was clear. Sorry my comment wasn’t clear. I just thought it was hilarious that La decided to sexually harrass herself to try to get JD in trouble. As with most dishonest schemes, somehow it doesn’t work as planned – LOL

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  475. I am usually a racist, but honest posters like La and Undecided are starting to make me see the error of my ways.

    Senator Robert Byrd (74ba2c)

  476. DRJ – FWIW, I do not care if it is banned. Not that my opinion matters, it is up to you and Patterico. I just wish that they would not sock puppet and post under a variety of names, like Bob/imdw. I want the Baracky supporters to continue to make asses of themselves. I want the Leftists to continue to show their true colors. I want everyone to see what their idea of Hope and Change looks like.

    JD (f7900a)

  477. When the latest troll, who moved into sockpuppetry to support her or his own arguments, wrote:

    “…the back and forth of “you are wrong, because you are not what I am”….”

    Well, that is ironic and funny.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  478. Barry Smith is another one just like La. These kinds of trolls are only going to increase in numbers between now and election day. Action Alert!

    JD (f7900a)

  479. JD, it sounds like Black Helicopter conspiracy theory, but I don’t think all of these bizarre posts by new trolls are an accident. I think that there is a concerted “get in their faces” business going on.

    I could be wrong.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  480. I was usually a racist, but Barry Smith taught me that it is wrong to drop the n-bomb.

    Grand Kleagle Byrd (f7900a)

  481. Yeah, you taught him a good one.

    Grand Kleagle Byrd's Sheet (f7900a)

  482. Eric – You are right. Spot on.

    Watch MSNBC and you can understand where it is coming from. Olberdouche and Madcow are absolutely unhinged, even moreso than normal.

    JD (f7900a)

  483. OMG!!! what a whore!!!

    hmmm (73c8e6)

  484. If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit.

    hmmm (73c8e6)

  485. work not only for the OJs, but also the No Js. -

    hmmm (73c8e6)

  486. “…just pull out a dictionary and make it up. That’s what judges do!”

    hmmm (73c8e6)

  487. this makes me ponder…HOW MUCH would could a wood chuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood???

    and

    If fuzzy wuzz was a bear
    and fuzzy wuzzy had no hair
    would the GOP deny it equal rights because it was not fuzz???

    hmmm (73c8e6)

  488. I think hmmm is La/Undecided so hmmm is off to moderation. My apologies if that is not correct.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  489. DRJ – The whackjobs are out in force the last couple of days. Certainly AnnTM, David Petranos Esp and MDKP cannot be far behind.

    JD (f7900a)

  490. oh jeez people. How desperate and pitiful can you people get? ( please actually try to absorb what i wrote and don’t criticize puncutaion and spelling and crap..I’m writng this stream of consciousness, so I’m sure there will be plenty..ok?) Let me preface this post by mentioning that I AM black and I will try to enlighten you and perhaps keep you from making such an exhasperated leap to feeling like you can’t attack Obama without being accused of racism. I will first try to give the “black” perspective on things. #1 its not that its racist to attack Obama at all…no matter how flimsy and weak the attack is. What IS racist, or at least has racist roots and undertones, is the history this country has of holding blacks to a double standard and having them endure much more intense scrutiny that whites. For instance…let’s say I have a job interview and at that interview I mention that I was arrested in college for a DWI (10 yrs ago). Assuming the interviewer were white in this scenario, that mistake would more likely make the person think negative thoughts about me in general because of the precondition to do so as a result of the negative “image” of blacks in our society. If I were white, there’d be a greater chance of the person to think that it was a youthful indescretion and I’d have a greater chance at redeeming myself. Why? Because the interviewer can empathize and relate and put themself in my shoes. perhaspo say that it could happen to anyone. But as a black person…there’s a bit of mystery and uneasiness that i may be “one of the bad ones” so to speak. They may wonder what other “issues” I have. So I guess what I’m saying is that the McCain people are using THAT innuendo to influence those whites that, while not overtly racist, habour a little trepidation about blacks because they don’t intimatley know any in their evryday lives (btw intimately means more than just working with us or interacting with us in a setting, like a store or a classroom or something or having sat at a table with us at a luncheon or meeting). This is not a wholesale and blanket statement about whites. its part of the human condition to be suscpiciousous of what we are unfamiliar with.It also part of our condition to assume things about other people based on second hand input, ie: music, TV,and movies, parents and friends, books and so forth. Unfortunately because we still have the stain of insitutionalized racism and white supremism on the fabric of our society (historically speaking)… non-whites (esp. blacks) haven’t been overwhelmingly represented in the most positive light, to say it nicely. Human beings are afraid to the unknown and what does the media do? the flood us with fearful images and stories that scare us. Why? because its easy to control someone who is fearful. they want to be protected. again, this is a HUMAN thing. But the way it is now…that fearful, scary image projected is a black one. When McCain calls Obama, a person from working class roots who rose in society due to his own hard work and intelligence (the AMERICAN way) “elitist” he’s really saying “upitty”..meaning “this guy thinks he’s better than you”. he does this while being the son of an Admiral (a navy general) and married to an heiress. Which one would YOU call an elitist? When McCain compares a UNITED STATES SENATOR to a whore and pop princess such as paris Hilton and Britney Spears.. he belittles the guy’s accomplishments and really disrepects the office. he’s saying “this guy isn’t to be takne seriously” meaning…”Blacks are only entertainers and are not REALLY leaders”. Shouldn’t it make sense that the President of the most powerful and popular country on the planet be universally liked and admired? ( regardless of who that person is?) When McCain uses terms like “cronnies”, he’s subltely saying “this guys a crook”. Again playing into deep-seated thoughts and fears whites have about blacks. (see above for explaination again) And finally…when he (McCain) is accused of being involved with the largest theft in history ( the Keating Five) he claims that he was exonorated of any wrong doing( which is true..just like William Ayer by the way) and therefore that this part of his past should be overlooked and disregarded and yet he actually WAS good friends with those guys and literally DID pal around with these CONVICTED FELONS, going on vactions and private trips socially with these guys. He also tried to intervene politically on their behalf ( just as any connected friend would do for their friends).Obama merely knew Ayers casually. They were not “friends”. It is sinister to suggest otherwise and to characterize Obama’s aquaintences as hanging with terroists. its proposterous. But it IS racist to expect a double standard. And more important than that it IS a bit racist to play this crap when you are losing. Why didn’t he do it months ago? He didn’t becasue ihe knew it was bullcrap and nonsense but now..that he fears he may lose…he MUST play to the lowest common denominator in people because that’s all he has left. he wants to appeal to peoples emotions and irrational fears. No one has brought up McCain’s objection to making MLK’s Birthday a national holiday. Why did he resist and vote against it? Is he a racist? I don’t really think so but racism comes in many forms..the most common of which is a sense that if something is not of your community than it is no good or it doesn’t count or has less value. ( one of the reasons “they hate us” and also why it has become hard to build an internationl coalition for anything is because we are arrogant…think about this…I’m sure you love your kid and think he/she is the best in the world, we all think that way about our own, but would you be so bold as to looking your neighbor in the eye and saying that his kid is crap and doesn’t begin to measure up to yours? well we do that culturally all the time with other countries and for some reason we think that’s ok) THAT my friends is the racism that McCain has injected into his antics. As a black guy, I am overjoyed that MOST white americans are not falling for it! As to the comments by Michelle Obama and Rev. Wright, I think its insenitive to bash them for what they said. They both have every right to feel how they feel and it does not make them unpatriotic. Michelle grew up in a racially polarized city and why should she be proud of her country ( doesn’t mean she doesn’t love it..you can be ashamed of your alcholic aunt but still love her) if during her formative years, she has been exposed to her flaws more than you? And for Rev. Wright.. he’s a 70 y/o black man who has lived MOST of his life under institutionalized racism (hello? jom crow in the 50′s? the 60′s? the white anti-school busing mobs inthe 70′s? Have you forgotten about that stuff?) who has every right to be critical and frustrated with this country. When John MCCain was 30 he could go places Rev. Wright was legally barred from going. When he was 20..had Rev Wright looked at a white women the wrong way, he may have been killed! Do youexpect him to simply blow thatexperience off and let bygones be bygones? Would you expect a rape victim to eventually be cool with her rapist? Its quite similar. Should an abused wife think highly of her husband just because he provided a nice standard of living for her? Of course not. It’d be insensitive of anyone to think that. So when McCain raises these issues..he’s saying “Thier ungrateful” and that is racist in its undertones. So you see….we don’t care about talking about Obama and examining his life..all this is neccessary in an election. We simply want it done with the same measuring stick. We want what is relevent to be looked at and what is irrelevent to not be blown out of proportion. And more importantly…we expect McCain to use the same standard for himself that he uses for his opponent. Anything else..well yes…is racist. I hope I was able to shed some light on things. I’m not trying to “spin” anything. I was hoping to provide some understanding and perspective to those who may not understand how even they/themselves can come off as racists without even being aware of it. And also to explain why those things are racist. One day we (blacks) will be able to to be just as flawed as whites and still have the chance to fail as they do. Instead of having to be smarter, harder working and of flawless character and generally extraordinary human beings in order to simply play on the same field as an average unremarkable white guy. If youcannot critisize your country then you live in a country with no freedoms at all. I love America and yet it is FAR from perfect and with enough prodding..it’ll get closer to that ideal. Thanks for hearing me out everyone…peace.

    jeffrey (073ffc)

  491. “Assuming the interviewer were white in this scenario, that mistake would more likely make the person think negative thoughts about me in general because of the precondition to do so as a result of the negative “image” of blacks in our society. If I were white, there’d be a greater chance of the person to think that it was a youthful indescretion and I’d have a greater chance at redeeming myself.”
    You completely discredit yourself right from the very first scenario you provide in your endless paragraph. You provide not one single shred of any evidence whatsoever that this is true other than your own perceptions and, dare I say, prejudice.

    “And for Rev. Wright.. he’s a 70 y/o black man who has lived MOST of his life under institutionalized racism (hello? jom crow in the 50’s? the 60’s? the white anti-school busing mobs inthe 70’s? Have you forgotten about that stuff?)”
    Reverend Wright grew up in Philadelphia, not the South, and attended Central High School, one of nation’s oldest, most elite public schools that has always been a privilege to attend for only those who have attained the highest level of academic achievement.

    “to those who may not understand how even they/themselves can come off as racists without even being aware of it.”
    Translation – you are perpetually entitled to twist, interpret, intellectualize, and misconstrue any word, gesture, or point of view as “racist” regardless of how ridiculous or questionable that effort is, as long as it is personally or politically advantageous to you.

    Sorry jeffrey, but this white guy ain’t buying. I have black family members, lived in predominantly black neighborhoods in Philadelphia, stayed in the public schools when they desegregated in the 70′s when white families left in droves, taught black students, and have always from day one been raised to judge individual human beings by their character. My parents eviscerated their kids if they ever expressed racist views. I and the other voters who reject Obama do so because of profound disagreement with his policies in addition to the blatant attempt to bring race into the campaign by the Obama campaign and his more fanatic supporters. I will NOT be called racist by anyone, least of all because of my political preferences.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  492. Why the accusations of racism toward people who don’t want to vote for Senator Obama?

    Well, Mr. Klompus, the pro-Obama forces don’t have much justification for WHY anyone should vote for the man, other than:

    1. He isn’t GW Bush.
    2. He isn’t John McCain.
    3. Did I mention he isn’t GW Bush?

    Remember the courting of the Left, and then drive toward the Center.

    All they have is race and youth.

    It would be nice if he had some policies.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  493. Jeffrey – Thank you very much for the long comment. I appreciate your perspective. Your mind reading abilities, what white people think about black people need work.

    You were very close on the Paris and Britney ad. The purpose of the ad was to belittle Barack, to make the case that he was a celebrity and like Paris and Britney, merely famous for being famous.
    Since one of the negatives of Obama is his lack of experience, highlighting celebrity as opposed to experience was viewed as a good was to arrack it. Given the reaction of people such as yourself, it was very effective.

    You claimed that Ayers was exonerated for his crimes. He was not. The prosecution was botched and thrown out. He has admitted his guilt and in fact brags about it. He has not been punished.

    “Obama merely knew Ayers casually. They were not “friends”. It is sinister to suggest otherwise and to characterize Obama’s aquaintences as hanging with terroists. its proposterous. But it IS racist to expect a double standard.”

    Jeffrey, I’m not sure how definitively anybody outside of Barack’s inner circle is going to be able to describe the relationship between Barack and Bill. It’s clear they have been stonewalling with information. They served on three nonprofit boards together. Barack wrote a blurb for Ayers’ book. They talked on panels together. Based on grants from the foundations, I think it’s more than fair to say that the two share radical ideas about education reform. Based on recent Ayers speeches and articles I think it’s also fair to say he is still a political and ideological radical. You may call it a double standard, but I fail to see where race has been injected into the discussion. Perhaps you could explain further. Since Ayers has not renounces his terrorism that label also seems applicable as well.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  494. Am I the only one who has an automatic headscratch after scrolling through a wall of “stream of consciousness” to find an ending of “peace”?
    Are these “Rip Van Winkel’s” who’ve been asleep since the sixties, or closet Muslims who have to sign-off with some version of “Peace Be Upon You”?

    Well, one bright spot is that they haven’t become completely enamoured with eecummings; at least they use sentences, and capitalization – even if they are completely incapable of organizing their thoughts into coherent paragraphs

    AOracle (db2f44)

  495. This is not a wholesale and blanket statement about whites.

    Almost the entire post is a wholesale and blanket statement. It starts out by saying that it is not racist to criticize Barack. Bravo. You then go on to state that it is racist to criticize him or subject him to scrutiny or to make judgements about him because of our inherent racism.

    When McCain calls Obama, a person from working class roots who rose in society due to his own hard work and intelligence (the AMERICAN way) “elitist” he’s really saying “upitty”..

    No. You do not get to change the words that someone else uses. Elitist has a specific meaning and connotation. Were Sen. McCain to wish to use uppitty (who even uses that word anymore?) he would do so. You do not get to change what was said, and then argue against the words that were not said. That, in short, is dishonest.

    When McCain compares a UNITED STATES SENATOR to a whore and pop princess such as paris Hilton and Britney Spears.. he belittles the guy’s accomplishments and really disrepects the office. he’s saying “this guy isn’t to be takne seriously” meaning…”Blacks are only entertainers and are not REALLY leaders”.

    You started off close to alright, and then just had to veer off course. Again, you are inserting meaning and ideas that were not present in the original message. You are applying your interpretation of someone else’s intent, which is wrong. What accomplishments are being belittled? How is this a disrespect to the office? Though I have to admit that it is nice to see a Dem come around to the idea of respecting an office? Then, you jump into blacks are only entertainers? Maybe you cannot see the whole cult of personality and celebrity pop-stardom surrounding Baracky. Prolly cause you are right in the middle of the crowd.

    Shouldn’t it make sense that the President of the most powerful and popular country on the planet be universally liked and admired? ( regardless of who that person is?)

    I guess the Left is confident enough that they will win that they are going to start changing their standards for how to treat a sitting President before Baracky is elected. The Left could have listened to you for the last 8 years.

    When McCain uses terms like “cronnies”, he’s subltely saying “this guys a crook”. Again playing into deep-seated thoughts and fears whites have about blacks. (see above for explaination again)

    When he refers to cronies, he refers to the likes of Rezko, Ayers, Wright. One of them is a convicted criminal. One should be. And the other is a racist gasbag.

    And finally…when he (McCain) is accused of being involved with the largest theft in history ( the Keating Five) he claims that he was exonorated of any wrong doing( which is true..

    When he is accused of being involved in the Keating matter, it is a lie. A bald faced lie. He was exonerated, and to admit that requires no but … yet you feel the need to do so, as follows.

    just like William Ayer by the way)

    He was never exonerated in Court. Never. A bald faced aggressive lie on your part.

    and therefore that this part of his past should be overlooked and disregarded and yet he actually WAS good friends with those guys and literally DID pal around with these CONVICTED FELONS, going on vactions and private trips socially with these guys.

    And he was criticized by the Senate for having done so. He readily admits that he should have been more careful, more circumspect.

    He also tried to intervene politically on their behalf ( just as any connected friend would do for their friends).

    Lie. Another aggressive lie. This was specifically not found in either the criminal or the Senate investigation.

    Obama merely knew Ayers casually.

    I have casual friends. I have never kicked off my political career in a casual friend’s living room. I have never spent over $150,000,000 on Leftist education programs with any of my casual friends. None of my casual friends have ever bombed government facilities.

    They were not “friends”.

    You assert this. But offer no evidence. They were from the same neighborhood. Kids went to the same school. They served on the boards of the CAC and Woods Foundation. They participated in panel discussions together. Clearly, they were enemies.

    It is sinister to suggest otherwise and to characterize Obama’s aquaintences as hanging with terroists. its proposterous.

    Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist. I know it makes your narrative more difficult, but it is a fact beyond dispute.

    But it IS racist to expect a double standard. And more important than that it IS a bit racist to play this crap when you are losing.

    If it is racist, it is racist. Racism is not dependent of where you are in the polls.

    Why didn’t he do it months ago? He didn’t becasue ihe knew it was bullcrap and nonsense but now..
    that he fears he may lose…he MUST play to the lowest common denominator in people because that’s all he has left.

    This is an extension of the above. Maybe if the Democrats and the media had actually vetted Sen. Obama, Sen. McCain would not have to raise this issue. I understand why you do not want to talk about it. It is uncomfortable for you. That does not make it racist.

    he wants to appeal to peoples emotions and irrational fears.

    What is irrational about questioning the judgement of someone that associated with Bill Ayers?

    No one has brought up McCain’s objection to making MLK’s Birthday a national holiday. Why did he resist and vote against it? Is he a racist? I don’t really think so but racism comes in many forms..

    If you do not think McCain is racist, why even ask the question? That is dishonest rhetoric on your part. McCain has said he regretted that vote.

    the most common of which is a sense that if something is not of your community than it is no good or it doesn’t count or has less value. ( one of the reasons “they hate us” and also why it has become hard to build an internationl coalition for anything is because we are arrogant…

    This really does not make any sense whatsoever.

    think about this…I’m sure you love your kid and think he/she is the best in the world, we all think that way about our own, but would you be so bold as to looking your neighbor in the eye and saying that his kid is crap and doesn’t begin to measure up to yours? well we do that culturally all the time with other countries and for some reason we think that’s ok)

    I would like some examples. France leaps to mind, but sometimes the truth hurts.

    THAT my friends is the racism that McCain has injected into his antics.

    Bullshit

    As a black guy, I am overjoyed that MOST white americans are not falling for it!

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    As to the comments by Michelle Obama and Rev. Wright, I think its insenitive to bash them for what they said.

    Of course you do. Their words cause problems for your side.

    They both have every right to feel how they feel and it does not make them unpatriotic.

    They can feel however they want. Their words have meaning. Never proud before Barack was nominated or doing well in the primary. God Damn America, for starters. Un-patriotic, almost by definition.

    Michelle grew up in a racially polarized city and why should she be proud of her country ( doesn’t mean she doesn’t love it..you can be ashamed of your alcholic aunt but still love her) if during her formative years, she has been exposed to her flaws more than you?

    Yet the first time in her adult life she was proud of America was when Barack was doing well in the polls. Nice. Never proud of America while her and Barack were getting educations that most people only dream of, jobs that people would line up around the block for.

    And for Rev. Wright.. he’s a 70 y/o black man who has lived MOST of his life under institutionalized racism (hello? jom crow in the 50’s? the 60’s? the white anti-school busing mobs inthe 70’s? Have you forgotten about that stuff?) who has every right to be critical and frustrated with this country.

    This is a BS excuse. At what point does it end? When Jeremiah Wright has a 15,000 square foot house? 3 Porsches?

    Would you expect a rape victim to eventually be cool with her rapist? Its quite similar. Should an abused wife think highly of her husband just because he provided a nice standard of living for her? Of course not. It’d be insensitive of anyone to think that.

    Hyperbole often? I want Barack Obama to make that case to the American people, please.

    So when McCain raises these issues..he’s saying “Thier ungrateful” and that is racist in its undertones.

    Another aggressive lie.

    So you see….we don’t care about talking about Obama and examining his life..all this is neccessary in an election.

    A step in the right direction …

    We simply want it done with the same measuring stick. We want what is relevent to be looked at and what is irrelevent to not be blown out of proportion.

    No, you want to redefine, ignore, call names, etc … much like you have done here.

    And more importantly…we expect McCain to use the same standard for himself that he uses for his opponent. Anything else..well yes…is racist.

    SHOCKA

    I hope I was able to shed some light on things. I’m not trying to “spin” anything. I was hoping to provide some understanding and perspective to those who may not understand how even they/themselves can come off as racists without even being aware of it. And also to explain why those things are racist.

    Sorry, not buying. But good try.

    One day we (blacks) will be able to to be just as flawed as whites and still have the chance to fail as they do. Instead of having to be smarter, harder working and of flawless character and generally extraordinary human beings in order to simply play on the same field as an average unremarkable white guy.

    It is unfortunate that you feel that way.

    If youcannot critisize your country then you live in a country with no freedoms at all. I love America and yet it is FAR from perfect and with enough prodding..it’ll get closer to that ideal. Thanks for hearing me out everyone…peace.

    I hope you find that peace you are searching for. I can assure you that you will not find it by calling other people racists.

    JD (f7900a)

  496. Racists!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  497. JD – Just a clarification. McCain’s relationship with Keating was before Keating’s S&L blew up. Obama’s relationship with Ayers blossomed and continued years after his terroristic acts.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  498. Racists cannot be reasoned with….How many racist do you know that have acknowledged that they are racists? None….How many racists do you know who have repented for being racists?? None.

    Blu Phi (53428e)

  499. Grand Kleagle Byrd has repented. Just ask the Dems. He is okay now.

    JD (f7900a)

  500. Also another important distinction: Obama is not and has not been involved in any kind of scandal with Ayers, also
    McCain was full on board until they got caught.Blossom or not. Had they not got caught, hewoulda still been involved.

    Blu Phi (53428e)

  501. I’ve been playing whack-a-mole all afternoon. If you need me, I’ll be in my room.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  502. It is a scandal, in and of itself, that the likely next President of the United States has associated himself, knowingly, with an unrepentant domestic terrorist.

    The part about McCain is nothing but pure speculation on your part.

    JD (f7900a)

  503. DRJ – We can hold down the fort. Go put your feet up … After that whack you gave the “feminist”, I suspect you could use a break ;-)

    JD (f7900a)

  504. Can we close this thread now?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  505. speculation, but it is reasonable to assume that.

    Hmmm which is worse???
    McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.In addition, McCain’s wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard Keating’s jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.

    or…….

    Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at one time lived in the same neighborhood in the city of Chicago, and both had worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met “at a luncheon meeting about school reform.” Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted “a coffee” for “Mr. Obama’s first run for office.” The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate. Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers. In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: “Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous. CNN’s review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic “have said that their reporting doesn’t support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship”.

    Blu Phi (53428e)

  506. “How many racists do you know who have repented for being racists?? None.”

    Rev. Wright has retired not repented.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  507. “Also another important distinction: Obama is not and has not been involved in any kind of scandal with Ayers”

    Neither did McCain with Keating. He was found to have exercised poor judgement, which was exactly what Barack acknowledged he exercised buying property with convicted felon Tony Rezko.

    Am I going too fast?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  508. #509
    Good, Daley. Finally you are catching on with the argument. If you are going to accuse Obama of exercising poor judgment in associating with Ayers, you run the risk of attacking McCain on his judgment with keating.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  509. No, it is not reasonable to assume that, fruit fly. You want to assume that because it fits your narrative better.

    JD (f7900a)

  510. #511
    ^What does “mendoucheous” mean?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  511. #511
    ^What does “mendoucheous” mean?

    Comment by love2008 — 10/8/2008 @ 5:50 pm

    Will ask JD to excuse me if I jump in here w/ a guess just cause it’s so fun to have an excuse to say:
    lying douchebag

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  512. It is a rhetorical confluence of being mendacious and a douche all at the same time.

    JD (f7900a)

  513. ^What does “mendoucheous” mean?

    That’s a good question, can’t wait for the answer.
    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  514. no one you know – Spot on. Would it be alright if I address you as noyk? I like how that sounds, for some reason.

    JD (f7900a)

  515. Would it be alright if I address you as noyk? I like how that sounds, for some reason.

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 6:01 pm

    Appreciate your asking; no problem – ease and convenience in typing is a core conservative family value – esp right around the kids’ bedtimes. :P

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  516. There are other variations on the word, such as mendoucheity, mendoucheously, mendoucheousness, lying crap weasel, Olberdoucheman …

    JD (f7900a)

  517. no one you know – I just wanted to make certain that it was not something that would cause consternation.

    JD (f7900a)

  518. no one you know – I just wanted to make certain that it was not something that would cause consternation.

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 6:09 pm

    Nah. My digestive system is very hardy – thanks for your concern. ;)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  519. I think mendoucheous, in a rhetorical sense, is an example of tmesis. Self left-eous is a similar word.

    Google mendoucheous. I am pretty sure that Dan Collins typed it first.

    JD (f7900a)

  520. Self left-eous is a similar word.

    That’s a new one. Nice! Will have to remember that one. A good one for causing consternation – or constipation, even – in your favorite arrogant leftists.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  521. JD…sometimes you are very sick, in a good way.
    And, you did a very good fisking job today.
    You win the Icy Truth award.

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  522. #518
    Then why did you deny that you called me a liar in another thread? When I said you used the word “mendacious”, which means liar, you maintained you did not mean or use that word. That you used the word “mendoucheous”. It appears the two words are the same. Atleast from the definitions given here. You did call me a liar, JD. But it is okay. I know whom I am. I also know who I am not!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  523. Another Drew – I am usually sick. Better Half would say more often than not.

    I did not set out to fisk. I intended to point out every last lie spewing forth from the mendoucheous self left-eous lying crap weasels that invaded this site recently.

    Had they not pissed me off in the way they attacked L.N., I prolly would have ignored them.

    JD (f7900a)

  524. I did not call you a liar. I called you mendoucheous. Had I wanted to call you a liar, I would call you a liar.

    JD (f7900a)

  525. Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 6:27 pm

    You need to avail yourself of an appropriate adult beverage, and some quiet time with the Better Half, and then come back tomorrow to fight the good fight once again.

    “Once more into the breach…”

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  526. Going on 6 years sober, so I will have to pass on the adult beverage part. Better Half is away on business, my little angels are sound asleep, together, in my bed. So it is me, the sofa, my new big screen TV, and the computer for the rest of the evening.

    JD (f7900a)

  527. wow! I’m glad that my post sparked a debate..a healthy one, which is great! I’d like to clarify some points…I didn’t intend to make it seemas thought a certain politcal view was also a racist one nor did I intend to convey that ALL white people think a certain way. I meant to acknowledge that there are still SOME 9 and more than a few)that do think along racial lines and stereotypes (yes blacks do as well…sometimes against other blacks but that’s another discussion) but these tactics are done to appeal to THOSE people and THOSE people will “read in between the lines and get the hidden messege”. As to Rev wright grownig=ng up in the north? In the 50′s and 60′s it didn’t matter WHERE you were black..you were still on the outside to put it nicely…I am a northerner as is my father (Wright’s age) and I can testify to the reality that racism was and is alive and strong even in the north. (perhaps notsomuch anymore but it is a reality) Let me give you an example. I grew up in an upper-middle class community that was extremely racially diverse compared to the rest of the country. When i graduated Highschool i went to the beach for senior week just like all my other classmates. When my father found out i was going and where i was going, he kinda balked for a moment. i asked why and he told me that he had never been to that local beach resort (Ocean City, MD) because when he was my age he was legally barred from setting foot there because it was whites only. I never knew this and it had never occured to me that growing up we went to every other beach (some out of state) during the summer but that one. When i asked him why he wouldn’[t go no that he was allowed to he said “they didn’t want my money then so why should I give them my money now?” He had a point. I can’t admonish him for that point of view. And it is insensitive to dismiss that. I may not understand it but i can see why he’d feel that way. The assuming the interviewer is white scenerio was used to illistrate a point NOT to say that the interviewer WILL be white. Again , my basic point is that Obama is scrutinized much more than any other candidate and ALL of the candidates have skeletons but…a reasonable person would not think that ANY of the alledged “dirt” on obama would mean that he’s not pattriotic or un-American or anything stupid like that. That’s jsut crazy. What’s worse? bieng on a committee to improve the neighborhood with a guy who did some dumb stuff back inthe day and said some offensive stuff recently or being married to a person who wants to secede from America? How come nobody questions THAT as unpatriotic? Its a double standard. And its real. So i will repeat..it is not racist to attack Obama..he’s a politician and that’s part of the game. Its just that the TYPES of attacks have racial undertones. …the whole “he’s not one of us” theme. obama is much more like anyone of youthan McCain is. How many of you drive a Honda? had to take out loans for college? Life in a real neighborhood? have parents that punched a clock every day? This is Obama’s life experience just as its yours. McCain was born into priviledge and married into even greater priviledge. How can he possibly say that he can relate to you and I? the man hasn’t pumped his own gas in 40 yrs! (his own words btw) All I’m saying is… that he needs to stop playing identity politics because its insulting to those of use who actually think and wiegh the issues. If you prefer his solutions to tyour problems..great! I have no right to tell youhow to vote nor can I begin to understand what is affecting your life..but these petty insinuations….are just that, petty. And it diminishes our polititcal process as well as our reputation in the world. its embarrassing.

    jeffrey (073ffc)

  528. Another wall of text ?! What is it with you leftists that cannot spell, punctuate, capitalize, and use basic paragraphs?!?!?

    Nonetheless, I will read …

    JD (f7900a)

  529. #526
    Then again you confuse yourself and people reading your comments. Mendoucheous means “lying douchbag” according to noyk. And you called it ” a rhetorical confluence of being mendacious and a douche all at the same time.”Yet you deny calling me a liar. Not that it makes any difference. Just wanted to point it out.
    Had I wanted to call you a liar, I would call you a liar.
    No need. You have already. And I forgive you.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  530. what’s worse? bieng on a committee to improve the neighborhood with a guy who did some dumb stuff back inthe day and said some offensive stuff recently or being married to a person who wants to secede from America?

    Comment by jeffrey — 10/8/2008 @ 6:42 pm

    The “improve the neighborhood” bit, at best, didn’t. The “dumb stuff” involved killing cops and military personel. So, let’s look at that again

    what’s worse? bieng on a committee to bilk the taxpayers of millions for doing nothing with a guy who used murder as a political vehicle and unrepentant to this day or being married to a person who once belonged to a fringe political party?

    A.

    CW Desiato (614aa7)

  531. JD…
    Congrats on your sobriety.
    Keep up the good fight!
    Thankfully, jeffrey has given you something to occupy your time tonight.
    BTW, do you buy antacid tablets by the gross, for help in reading such drivel?

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  532. wow! I’m glad that my post sparked a debate..a healthy one, which is great!

    People tend to respond when someone paints with a broad of a brush as you did.

    I’d like to clarify some points…I didn’t intend to make it seemas thought a certain politcal view was also a racist one nor did I intend to convey that ALL white people think a certain way.

    I will take you at your word, unless what comes later reinforces your prior points.

    I meant to acknowledge that there are still SOME 9 and more than a few)that do think along racial lines and stereotypes (yes blacks do as well…sometimes against other blacks but that’s another discussion) but these tactics are done to appeal to THOSE people and THOSE people will “read in between the lines and get the hidden messege”.

    Code words? Dog-whistle? Why is it that only those on the Left know what these codes are? Only the Left can decipher the hidden racist messages? And, if the speaker is using said code words, isn’t that de facto racism?

    As to Rev wright grownig=ng up in the north? In the 50’s and 60’s it didn’t matter WHERE you were black..you were still on the outside to put it nicely…I am a northerner as is my father (Wright’s age) and I can testify to the reality that racism was and is alive and strong even in the north. (perhaps notsomuch anymore but it is a reality)

    At what point does Jeremiah Wright become proud of our country?

    Let me give you an example. I grew up in an upper-middle class community that was extremely racially diverse compared to the rest of the country. When i graduated Highschool i went to the beach for senior week just like all my other classmates. When my father found out i was going and where i was going, he kinda balked for a moment. i asked why and he told me that he had never been to that local beach resort (Ocean City, MD) because when he was my age he was legally barred from setting foot there because it was whites only. I never knew this and it had never occured to me that growing up we went to every other beach (some out of state) during the summer but that one. When i asked him why he wouldn’[t go no that he was allowed to he said “they didn’t want my money then so why should I give them my money now?” He had a point.
    I can’t admonish him for that point of view. And it is insensitive to dismiss that. I may not understand it but i can see why he’d feel that way.

    Yes, your father had a reason for that. Does that reason pass down to you?

    The assuming the interviewer is white scenerio was used to illistrate a point NOT to say that the interviewer WILL be white.

    There is no amount of after the fact parsing that will salvage this prior example. You assumed racism on the part of the white person. That is all on you.

    Again , my basic point is that Obama is scrutinized much more than any other candidate

    This is either aggressively ignorant, or willfully obtuse. He has not had to answer for Rev. Wright, he denounced him and threw him under the back of the bus. He has not had to answer for choosing to associate with Ayers. He has not had to answer for having Rezko’s assistance in buying his home. These are little things that every candidate on either side of the aisle would expect to have to answer for. When it comes to Baracky, and his followers like you, race is used as a shield to keep from having to answer tough questions.

    and ALL of the candidates have skeletons but…a reasonable person would not think that ANY of the alledged “dirt” on obama would mean that he’s not pattriotic or un-American or anything stupid like that.

    I suspect he is a great and proud American. Were he to answer some questions about some of these issues, he could prove it. His inability to answer, or when his surrogates lie for him, makes one wonder.

    That’s jsut crazy. What’s worse? bieng on a committee to improve the neighborhood with a guy who did some dumb stuff back inthe day and said some offensive stuff recently or being married to a person who wants to secede from America?

    Who is trafficking in smears now? Quit watching Olberdoucheman. Bill Ayers was not just some guy that Baracky just happened to meet. He is a fucking domestic terrorist. He made bombs and blew shit up. People died.

    How come nobody questions THAT as unpatriotic?
    Its a double standard. And its real.

    Apparently, you have never watched MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC, etc …

    So i will repeat..it is not racist to attack Obama..he’s a politician and that’s part of the game.

    Like last time, this is a good start. Let’s see where you go with it this time.

    Its just that the TYPES of attacks have racial undertones.

    Right back down the rabbit hole. You can criticize him, just not about any of the areas where he can rightfully be criticized. Tell us what is in-bounds, please.

    …the whole “he’s not one of us” theme.

    That meme is perpetuated by Baracky. See “he has a funny name”, “he does not look like the people on the dollar bill”, and “Did I mention, he’s black”

    obama is much more like anyone of youthan McCain is.

    Never in my whole entire life have I shook hands with a domestic terrorist. I have never been in a domestic terrorists house. I have never served on Boards with a domestic terrorist. I have never heard a Priest or a Reverend say God Damn America, or suggest that AIDS was invented by the government to kill blacks.

    How many of you drive a Honda?

    Saab, Ford Expedition, and Dodge Grand Caravan. And a Harley.

    had to take out loans for college?

    Full ride academic scholarship to a Big 10 school for myself and Better Half.

    Life in a real neighborhood?

    Ours is soon to be gated, but it is quite real.

    have parents that punched a clock every day?

    Yup

    This is Obama’s life experience just as its yours.

    Bullshit. That may be Obama’s wife’s life experience. His was a little less ordinary. You left out being raised by his racist typical white person grandmother because he was born to a single white mom, whose black father was absent from his life. You neglected to mention that he travelled the world, went to schools in Hawaii, Indonesia, and went to the best schools and universities in the world. That is not our experience, and is so far from common or normal to make your assertion laughable.

    McCain was born into priviledge and married into even greater priviledge.

    Yes, Generals do well, but to claim it was a life of privilege is a lie.

    How can he possibly say that he can relate to you and I? the man hasn’t pumped his own gas in 40 yrs! (his own words btw)

    You can be rich beyond your wildest imagination and still be able to relate to people. Having wealth does not differentiate you. The most obscenely wealthy person I know is as ordinary and common as down-to-earth as anyone you could ever meet.

    All I’m saying is… that he needs to stop playing identity politics because its insulting to those of use who actually think and wiegh the issues.

    Baracky, and his faithful followers, like yourself, are the only ones playing identity politics. Your internal irony-meter has to be constantly pegged.

    <

    i>If you prefer his solutions to tyour problems..great! I have no right to tell youhow to vote nor can I begin to understand what is affecting your life..but these petty insinuations….are just that, petty.

    Barack says that he is a blank canvas on which people can project what they wish to see. Some of us find that unsettling, and wish to know more about our likely next POTUS. That is not petty.

    And it diminishes our polititcal process as well as our reputation in the world. its embarrassing.

    Yes, you do diminish the discourse in the manner in which you throw around your baseless accusations. Yes, you should be embarassed. Are you? Sadly, No.

    JD (f7900a)

  533. Another Drew – Nexium, by the case.

    JD (f7900a)

  534. JD – congratulations on your sobriety. I know how hard it can be to exorcise those demons. I went through a period of similar struggles and I see every day now as a blessing. I got myself help, got out of a bad environment surrounded by negatives, and can say that I am healthy and happy and now looking forward to serving my country in the reserves. Regardless of who is the Commander in Chief I know that I am of healthy mind and body and ready to conquer all challenges that lie ahead. I commend you tremendously.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  535. Thanks, Jack. I struggled with it for a long time, and never realized how big of a problem it was until it almost cost me my Better Half and newborn daughter.

    Chin up, and be proud of what you are doing.

    JD (f7900a)

  536. The great thing is when we have chased all of the trolls back into the wilderness.
    The bad thing is when we have chased all of the trolls back into the wilderness, and we’ll be bored.
    Oh boredom, I await thee!

    Good work, as usual, JD!

    Another Drew (db2f44)

  537. To those of you that are willing to tackle that wall of text, I raise an adult beverage (with bravos and kudos to JD for his smart decision-makint).

    To jeffery – I can only see a wall of text with a “priviledge” and “scenerio” (sic) therein, and I can’t bring myself to read it. No offense, but I have proofed a lot of stuff, and when I see a wall of text, the typos just jump out. I’m calling my lack of response maturity; feel free to characterize in another manner. Honestly, I have no idea whether you agree with me or not. And I will never know. And that’s all fine and zen.

    (but i suspect you come from the ‘wall of text/lack of punctuation/Im your there side of the aislse, that is to say left. feel free to disagree)

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  538. makint = making. blame the adult beverage.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  539. Just my two cents:

    I read posts carefully here. But whenever I see a wall-o-text I just don’t read it. Skip right over it.

    It seems disrespectful, but a writer with so little respect and/or empathy for his or her readers’ point of view, or one too lazy or whatever to even make decent paragraphs (let alone use spell check or even attempt proper grammar etc.) can’t reasonably make more work for his/her readers and then expect the unearned respect of having them carefully digest it.

    “What is written without effort is in general read without pleasure.” –Samuel Johnson

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  540. Seventh year’s a bitch JD.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  541. “What is written without effort is in general read without pleasure.” –Samuel Johnson

    What a great quote. It is easier to hide idiocy in a wall of text, or so they think.

    Hint. The wall of text is a dead giveaway. Along the lines of “lifetime Republican”, self proclaimed independents spewing Baracky talking points, and anyone that claims to be open minded.

    JD (f7900a)

  542. Thanks for the warning, daleyrocks. Tough break at Wrigley. There is always next year ;-)

    no one you know – I suspect that the converse of that quote is not necessarily true. Despite much effort, my lack of rhetorical wizardry makes for little pleasure.

    JD (f7900a)

  543. Blow me JD

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  544. No thanks. 101 years and counting …

    JD (f7900a)

  545. Great effort today JD, seriously.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  546. I actually felt bad for the Cubs this year. I’m a Sox season ticket holder, and was being super-duper-polite to my Cub fan friends upon their demise. Some of them even reciprocated. We may be reaching some sort of détente.

    Those last 3 games won by the White Sox were so much fun I can’t even tell you.

    Any interest in doing a Chicago patterico.com social outing? There seem to be a handful of us.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  547. carlitos – I am going to be in Chicago sometime in early November. I am supposed to be taking Better Half shopping downtown, but she does not need me. Once we get a date, I was hoping to try to get everyone together.

    JD (f7900a)

  548. carlitos – Your talking about something on the north side, right? Perhaps an election party?

    Kidding about the north side.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  549. no one you know – I suspect that the converse of that quote is not necessarily true.
    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 8:06 pm

    Oh, I beg to differ, with yourself specifically as well as with writers generally. Pithiness rocks, yet requires a good deal of effort. A good sense of humor is a great virtue too.

    Speaking of which, here’s a pithy guy dealing with those very two subjects (hopefully jeffrey’s taking notes):

    I have only made this letter rather long because I have not had time to make it shorter. –Blaise Pascal, 1656

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  550. I always liked William Blake’s “It is better remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt.”
    GO PHILLIES!!

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  551. JD – If you get here in time you could probably vote a few times.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  552. Brevity is next to godliness.

    JD (f7900a)

  553. daleyrocks – I just saw, from one of Scott J’s links, that Indianapolis, or rather, Marion County, had 105% of the voting age population registered to vote.

    JD (f7900a)

  554. Keep laughing daleyrocks, I just got my election judge instructions. Republicans are rare in my precinct!

    If you do an outing, and I miss posting of details, Patterico has my email.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  555. Jack – I never knew the original version of that quote. My Dad always said to be quiet and let them think you are a dumb ass, rather than talk and prove it. I never was a good listener.

    JD (f7900a)

  556. Add me to the list of people who didn’t read Jeffrey’s comment.

    DRJ (c953ab)

  557. Brevity is next to godliness.

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 8:19 pm

    :) Indeed. For example, it’s said that if you typed all Jesus’ words recorded in the whole Bible on 8-1/2 by 11 sheets it’d take up like two or maybe three pages. Another pithy guy.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  558. Better Half, and her OCD (I keeeeed, I keeeeed) always says cleanliness is next to godliness.

    noyk – I used to love the word Pithy. That farkin’ O’Reilly went and ruined it for me.

    JD (f7900a)

  559. Better Half, and her OCD (I keeeeed, I keeeeed) always says cleanliness is next to godliness.

    Of course that’s the original but Yogi Berrisms (sp?) are always more amusing. Every time I hear that quote BTW I think of Gattaca and that particularly creepy scene where that aphorism’s used. (Love that film.)

    noyk – I used to love the word Pithy. That farkin’ O’Reilly went and ruined it for me.

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 8:26 pm

    Oh jeez – what’d he do this time? Didn’t think that word could be ruined.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  560. Elitists!

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  561. Elitists!

    Comment by love2008 — 10/8/2008 @ 8:35 pm

    What was that, my dear? I prefer linguaphile, if you please.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  562. Comment by DRJ — 10/8/2008 @ 8:21 pm

    I didn’t read it either. I got to this part,

    I’m writng this stream of consciousness

    and realized it would require far too much liquor to actually read the entire thing.

    Dana (049cf9)

  563. Here, Dana. Let me help, in the way one of my academic colleagues (seriously) communicates, university wide, with broadcast e-mails. Here is what the trollish ones would like to say.

    trolls are part of the process
    hermaneutic warriors
    transcending the patriarchal white bubble
    of privilege
    change is here since i look beyond
    facts and see intention
    and promise
    world cant wait for change
    since change is good

    Whew. It’s like bad haiku, or Vogon poetry.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  564. #542 daleyrocks:

    Seventh year’s a bitch JD.

    You really know how to take the fun out of marking my first year next month. :(

    #561 no one you know:

    Didn’t think that word could be ruined.

    Me neither, but I’ve seen it do terrible things to fruit. And linguaphile? Sorry, but for some reason I prefer logojack.

    But that could be from my upbringing in a family of silvaculturists.

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  565. #565 Eric Blair:

    Vogon poetry.

    I knew there was a reason I kept wanting to claw my medulla oblongata out with a rusty turnip cultivator while reading this thread!

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  566. EW1 – Be careful on that anniversary. Keep up the hard work.

    noyk – O’Reilly always says something about being pithy, so anytime I see that word, I see it coming out of his mouth … ugh.

    JD (f7900a)

  567. #563
    “linguaphile“? Well, okay. Anything you say. But tell me, noyk, how many languages do you speak?
    Linguaphile!

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  568. I miss Douglas Adams. Every time advisees of mine are forced into classes with modern poetry, I brighten their day by bringing up the concept of Vogon Poetry.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPeIiU2kx4

    No, the movie wasn’t all that good, but it still gets the point across about Vogon Poetry.

    And you can make your own, which is surely better than some of the trollish verbiage we have endured here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/vogonpoetry/lettergen.shtml

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  569. EW1 – What are you thinking about next month for? Stay in the now!

    Congrats in advance.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  570. trolls are part of the process
    hermaneutic warriors
    transcending the patriarchal white bubble
    of privilege
    change is here since i look beyond
    facts and see intention
    and promise
    world cant wait for change
    since change is good

    Whew. It’s like bad haiku, or Vogon poetry.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/8/2008 @ 8:51 pm

    Ran that through HaikuTranslator(tm):

    can’t spell or write but
    word warriors bring HOPE, CHANGE:
    facts don’t matter, man

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  571. “Keep laughing daleyrocks, I just got my election judge instructions. Republicans are rare in my precinct!”

    JD – Get your voting instructions from carlitos. You’re in. They’re no other Republicans in my hood.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  572. You win, NOYK. I give up.

    The sad part is that intelligent people actually communicate that way, and expect other people to take them seriously.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  573. #563
    “linguaphile“? Well, okay. Anything you say. But tell me, noyk, how many languages do you speak?
    Linguaphile!

    Comment by love2008 — 10/8/2008 @ 9:00 pm

    Seriously, I do love language. To answer your question, English, Spanish, ASL. A little hip hop too – enough to order off the menu anyway.

    Language is one of God’s most awesome creations. And dialects are fascinating, and lotsa fun. This for example is one-a-my fave scenes from Mad Max 3:

    Savannah explains what happened

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  574. NOYK, the Tower of Babel would’ve been the place to be, eh? Confound their speech and hear the languages all unfolding at once…what a sound.

    Dana (049cf9)

  575. The sad part is that intelligent people actually communicate that way, and expect other people to take them seriously.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/8/2008 @ 9:08 pm

    No kidding. When you talk about your students having such a lack of standards – linguistic or otherwise – yet expecting so much from the world around them, I get sad thinking how hard it’s going to be for them in the unforgiving world of their future, when no nice professors are around to cut them a break, and jobs and reputations are won and lost based on ability to follow the rules and expectations of the society around them.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  576. I’m learning ASL but it seems like I use a different part of my brain than when I speak English or Spanish. Do you think that’s possible?

    DRJ (c953ab)

  577. English, Arabic, and am getting better with Vietnamese every day. I can muddle through written Spanish and French. I used to be able to cuss like a sailor in Russian.

    JD (f7900a)

  578. you are all a bunch of f’n whining racists. Jesus christ get a fucking life. You spending hours on here whining and whining about the race card being played against you and how the media is for Obama, and it is soooo unfair, wah, wah, wah. You all are acting like victims. Grow up. Your party has gotten its ass handed to them the last few years, and you can all thank yourselves for supporting the Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Rummy, Delay, Duke Cunningham, Ted Stevens, etc criminals. You did it to yourselves, now grow up and sleep in the bed you made.

    I hate republicans (6e3bec)

  579. DRJ – Not only is it possible, it is probable.

    JD (f7900a)

  580. Thank you for your lovely words, I hate republicans. Your words made me realize the error of my ways, and I will now devote every waking moment from tomorrow until Election Day to ensuring that Baracky Hussein Obama is our next President.

    JD (f7900a)

  581. NOYK, you are dead-on straight in your thinking (borrowing from Savannah’s argot).

    In academia, we can’t be as tough as life is. Even if tenured, the students must be happy. They are paying tuition, after all.

    But here is a common thing I hear at least once a year, standing behind two students in line for a cup of coffee on campus:

    “Dude you wouldn’t believe my Thursdays!”

    “Yeah? What’s your Thursday look like?”

    “I have classes from 10 to 3, nonstop. Then I have Ultimate Frisbee club from 4 to 6 PM!”

    “Wow. That’s harsh, man.”

    I can’t wait until they actually get into law or medical school. Or experience a real job. Many never have.

    Oh well. Their natures are decent enough; our modern society has babied them too much.

    That may change, all too soon, but I hope not.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  582. #575
    I agree. Language is a miracle. My favourite subject. But do you believe all languages are of God?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  583. NOYK, the Tower of Babel would’ve been the place to be, eh? Confound their speech and hear the languages all unfolding at once…what a sound.

    Comment by Dana — 10/8/2008 @ 9:14 pm

    Yikes, you’re absolutely right. And thinking of Babel always reminds me of when that very thing worked backwards, at Pentecost, with everyone hearing their own language even though they spoke different ones. Guess we’ll have to wait for heaven to all speak the same language again. Somehow I don’t think it’ll be English. :) And that’ll be awesome too.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  584. Come to think of it, I suspect that the recent troll is a freshmen, based on his awesome powers of expression and elegant use of metaphor.

    Seriously, what is amusing is to watch my Obama-worshipping students get their first paycheck at a student job (probably the first paycheck they have ever received, rather than an allowance)….and see how much has been taken out in taxes.

    Hope and Change! That is, they hope some spare change will be left….

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  585. #571 daleyrocks:

    What are you thinking about next month for?

    Well, I wasn’t really, until YOU BROUGHT IT UP BY GIVING ME HELL TO LOOK FORWARD TO!

    Seriously though, one of the best years of my life. It’s nice to just be me agin’.

    #568 JD:

    Keep up the hard work.

    Every waking moment. And they are so much more fun that way!

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  586. Clearly, in heaven, everyone will speak Moonbatese, or Mandarin Twatwaffle.

    JD (f7900a)

  587. And ANOTHER libby troll plays the racism card . . .

    Ho hum.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  588. EW1 – My first year was my favorite. It was so new, so exciting, so different.

    JD (f7900a)

  589. #575
    I agree. Language is a miracle. My favourite subject. But do you believe all languages are of God?

    Comment by love2008 — 10/8/2008 @ 9:20 pm

    Well, Dana’s very right when she pointed out that it wasn’t till Babel that people spoke different languages. I mean we think they’re wonderful now, and they are, but having different languages does separate people unnecessarily. That’s why I like to learn more about other languages when I can even though am totally not proficient.

    My stumbling ASL for example – I know a lot of words but am very slow by deaf standards – I hope helps communication with deaf people who are very patient with me but appreciate the fact of my slow efforts to communicate using their language instead of mine. (An interpreter friend trained me never to mouth words when I sign and it seems to communicate a commitment to the ASL as well as emphasizing the different structure of the language.)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  590. #586 Eric Blair:

    the first paycheck… …and see how much has been taken out in taxes.

    Forty years later, and I still feel that way!

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  591. Clearly, in heaven, everyone will speak Moonbatese, or Mandarin Twatwaffle.

    Comment by JD — 10/8/2008 @ 9:25 pm

    Nah. Some language no one on earth’s ever heard of, you watch. Even the moonbats will have to get with the program then. (Moonbats in Heaven – isn’t that a Turner Classic Film?)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  592. Seriously, what is amusing is to watch my Obama-worshipping students get their first paycheck at a student job (probably the first paycheck they have ever received, rather than an allowance)….and see how much has been taken out in taxes.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/8/2008 @ 9:24 pm

    LOL And they INSTANTLY register Republican.
    No? Students like to learn the hard way I guess.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  593. Re. #584

    Anyone who says “aluminium” is NOT speaking the language of God.

    Icy Truth (1468e4)

  594. #588 JD:

    Mandarin Twatwaffle.

    And you even warned me how painful the Dr Pepper can be going that direction.

    It has made things fresh again.

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  595. #591
    More grease to your elbows. You and DRJ for your interest in ASL. It takes a lot. Again, do you think all languages came from God?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  596. Guess we’ll have to wait for heaven to all speak the same language again. Somehow I don’t think it’ll be English.

    Well, I for one am going to be pretty disappointed if its Spanish!

    (Understand, I’m in So. Cal…but I denounce myself anyway).

    our modern society has babied them too much.

    Eric Blair, if Obama gets into office, I suspect we will see far more of society babying….everyone. And sadly, most people will willingly give up their independence to have the government burp them and put them to bed.

    Dana (049cf9)

  597. I’m learning ASL but it seems like I use a different part of my brain than when I speak English or Spanish. Do you think that’s possible?

    Comment by DRJ — 10/8/2008 @ 9:15 pm

    Yeah, I totally hear you. The structure of the language is different from English and Spanish, whose structure is the same. Communicating the concepts is fun, and right-brain-oriented (is it right brain or left brain that’s the arty fun one?). Anyway you know what I mean. WHen I speak Spanish I feel like I’m riding on a scenic trail on a locomotive. When I’m trying to sign I feel like I’m on a winding rollercoaster.

    Maybe that makes sense or maybe it’s just waaayy past my bedtime. :P

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  598. #595 Icy Truth:

    NOT speaking the language of God.

    Sigh.

    But I do so like the comfortable use in the “lift.” Kind of like patches on old corduroy.

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  599. Goodnight, all. As always, it has been a pleasure. Except for the mendoucheous lying crap weasels. But even they serve a purpose …

    JD (f7900a)

  600. I remember watching an episode of the Bill Cosby Show, years ago. Dr. Huxtable was discussing finances with his son, Theo. Theo was having trouble understanding how independent life—away from his parents’ financial bubble—worked.

    So they did a week of budgeting using Monopoly money. The look on the actor playing Theo Huxtable’s face as the money dwindled was all too familiar to all of us living that way.

    The current children of privilege (and I am guessing, many of the astroturfing trolls here) have a very posh lifestyle, supported by other people’s money.

    They expect that will keep up in the future. Obama told them so! But the horrible truth is, never get between a politician and money. The politician always win.

    Hope and Change do not emanate from the brooding omnipresence of the pneumbra of the Chicago Machine.

    You all did see that Indianapolis apparently has registered more than 100% of its possible voters? ACORN is involved (how many lawsuits at present?). And who worked with ACORN, again?

    Cue Jonah Goldberg.

    Eric Blair (e60b98)

  601. WHen I speak Spanish I feel like I’m riding on a scenic trail on a locomotive. When I’m trying to sign I feel like I’m on a winding rollercoaster.

    Lovely imagery. And it makes sense… of course, I’m the right brain…or is it left?)…

    Dana (049cf9)

  602. You all did see that Indianapolis apparently has registered more than 100% of its possible voters? ACORN is involved (how many lawsuits at present?). And who worked with ACORN, again?

    Someone linked to a story on that in another thread. With Baracky close in the polls, the ACORN pushes in Bloomington, Indy, and Gary could very well make a difference. 105% of registered voters in Marion County. Better Half is close friends with the spouse of one of our Constitutional Officers, and we are going to lunch tomorrow. THis is the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd question.

    JD (f7900a)

  603. EW1 – Pay no attention to the banter between JD and myself.

    Waking up is a helluva a lot better than coming to. I usually know where my car is these days too. Plus I think I missed it when they passed the no dancing ordinance for the street lights and telephone poles. Things get nicely calm.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  604. Night JD. Take care.

    Love2008,

    Again, do you think all languages came from God?

    Sorry, but am truly not sure what you’re asking. That is, if you mean did God give everyone the gift of speech and language even though there are many different ones, yes. If you mean did God intend from the beginning of man for there to be many languages, I can’t be absolutely positive but given what a premium God has made clear He places on unity, I think probably not.

    Just curious, why do you ask? Are you considering the question yourself or were you trying to segue to another topic of discussion?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  605. 605 daleyrocks~ Swear I’m gonna get get that “Caution: EW1′s brand of dry humor” button fixed on my laptop yet.

    Come to think of it, you and I have bantered back and again since even before I went to addiction school, so I’m unlikely to be confuzzled by your banter. ;)

    Unfortunately, I wish I could say the same about my wife’s reaction to my jokes…

    EW1(SG) (fd7939)

  606. Perhaps in heaven everyone will be able to understand one another, but you will not be able to discriminate whether the fellow from China is now speaking English, or you’re speaking Chinese, or if there are 10 billion Babel fish present to be translators (the last one I tossed in for no particular reason, but that will not be it).

    I have only made this letter rather long because I have not had time to make it shorter. –Blaise Pascal, 1656
    Thanks, noyk. I always knew I had something in common with Pascal, but I never could figure out what it was.

    Jack- Thanks for the well-wishes for my son. He works in the 18th, West Philly south of Market. But he was working that day when the officer was killed by the robber using a Russian assault rifle, and an officer assist call goes out to all of the city, so he was at the scene. Word is the guy’s gun jammed, or probably more officers would have been killed (in Philly only SWAT is armed with other than a sidearm, which is not a match for a military assault rifle).

    JD- Following your example, again, I am waiting to try out a new word, “Obfuriating”. It’s when you are infuriated by someone’s obfuscation.

    late here on the east coast, goodnight.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  607. ‘Night, MD in Philly. And ‘night all. Always a pleasure – sleep well.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  608. The development of many languages at the Tower of Babel was a form of judgement for man’s pride and arrogance. The miracle at Pentacost was evidence of God’s blessing on those who believed the message that Peter had been preaching.

    Among Spanish speakers there is a saying,
    “German is the language of war,
    French is the language of love,
    and Spanish is the language of heaven.”

    I want to know what pro football players are registered to vote in Indy that are not on the Colts.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  609. I think I really will sign off after this, but EW1(SG), my wife’s comment is that I said something funny once, but she can’t remember what it was.

    Thanks noyk

    Buenas Noches, Guten Nacht, Good Night

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  610. EW1 – My fault. We’ll figure out the smoke signals.

    Fresh one a couple of weeks or so ago was asking about his feet. They were tingling. Docs had told him he’d lose them unless he stopped. He wanted me to tell him how long I thought he had, e.g., could he keep going for a while.

    Interesting conversation.

    So far the plug’s in the jug.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  611. The mear mention of Aires shows the despiration in your lost cause. Obama was 8.. it doesnt get more pathetic than that. Will Obamas cook be ambushed next? We need not look far for sketchy figures in Mccains own campaign.. give me a break. Who even said that pathetic “celebrity” ad was racist? We all know what the message was and how coming from conodling with the stars mccain.. funny on both aspects. Don’t get how the fanny reference is racist either? Are you just throwing key words out there? Mccains TOP FINANCIAL ADVISOR lobbied for them up until last month.. by what standards are you amused? That last one is the topper..LOL.. Michelle Obama kinda wins by default compared to Mccain.. Mccain has quoted MANY times in the past and even campaigned in the past saying.. “I never loved this country until I was deprived of it’s company” now we all know what he meant and even Laura Bush sympathized with her. It would be great if any of these talking points had much to do with racism.. so since you need some help on the issue lets look back to some questionable moments. “YOU CAN HAVE YOUR TIGER WOODS, WE HAVE OUR JOHN MCCAIN” Mccain said he didn’t condone such activity but he sure didnt look appauled in the video footage..LOL.. Fox news refered to Michelle Obama on a subscript below ” OBAMAS BABY MAMA”. She is neither uneducated or unmarried.. how about the infamous magazine cover.. thats racism.. you think you can mention hussien.. some lame terrorist link.. and ask who is the real obama and you’ve got gold? RACISM.. like he chose his middle name? As if all he wants to do for us is some ingenious profiting plot or terrorism link.. fear is all you have left. If you are not voting for Obama you are either RACIST or rich trying to save your pathetic tax breaks. If you make hella money … you should pay hella taxes. Now if you’re too racist to vote for Obama even though that universal health care will fix your hip.. thats beyond me. But the 5% of the rich will not control the 95% anymore.

    Daniela (451dd5)

  612. You’re an embarrassment Daniela. Smoke another rock.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  613. Just what I need. James Carvelle saying that if Obama, who is up 50%, doesn’t win there will be “rioting” in the streets of America. Thanks alot Carvelle; I live in war-torn Detroit so maybe I should start packing right now. Go McCain-Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ANN DENICK (963843)

  614. @ Daniela – thats

    The consistency with the run-on text, bad grammar and lack of apostrophes is absolutely stunning. It’s like they are trying to parody themselves.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  615. Seriously, you people are an incredibly sad bunch. You come on to this place where where 99% of the people agree with you, spending hours and hours patting each other on the back for being “right” and “smart”, refuse to entertain a single thought from another with another different viewpoint (not mine, but for instance Jeffrey), and talk your gibberish about why all Democrats are evil communist/terrorist sympathizers who will ruin the country.

    And “JD” (does that stand for “Just Dumb” ?), you mock my words, but what was your brilliant comeback to my insults? You call Obama “Baracky” (hey, that rhymes with whacky!! ) and use his middle name Hussein. Wow, you got me there! Hmmmm…..Hussein is his middle name? WHAT?!? That’s just like that Saddam guy’s name, you know, the one behind 9/11? That means…..gasp… Obama must have been behind 9/11 too! Ok, I’m changing my mind, I’m voting for the guy who wants to give huge tax cuts to CEO’s and people like his beer heiress wife, and himself, and the Clintons, and the Bushes, and the Obamas…. you know, all the people that REALLY deserve big tax breaks when times are tough!

    And then the clincher is you guys talking about the tower of Babel story like it is a historical fact! HA HA HA I should have known it, a bunch of fundamentalists. Let me guess: ban vaccinations and teaching evolution and make “creationism” the law of the land? The only tower of BABBLE is this thread full of you republican dittoheads.

    I hate republicans (6e3bec)

  616. I’m not kidding – it is the single most prevalent feature of opposing viewpoint comments here.

    CEO’s?

    When was the last time one of these guys completed a single post without misusing an apostrophe?

    Apostrophes for Truth!
    Apostrohpes for McPalin!

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  617. Beyond that, the use of random numbers of periods in ellipses….ALL CAPS…random lack of punctuation, run-on sentences, etc.

    And of course, the imaginary arguments they make for what they imagine “our side” would say, so they can continue ranting so.

    carlitos (74ba2c)

  618. troll I hate rethuglicans- pray tell us just what obama really stands for and why he is ashamed/fears having his ties to mutant asshole thieves/racists/terrorists revealed? How does Barry’s fecal matter taste in so much as you have your head stuck thoroughly up his ass? Do you really want to sell your country down the river to socialism/marxism or are you merely a clueless hypnotized-by-the-Messiah obamatard? I mean what is in it for you? Class warfare? Utopian socialist kumbaya idealism? Or just a genetic defect of people who desire to worship a cult of personality. Obama Zombies are surely lacking in intellectual honesty, logic and substance.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  619. Vote Obama! Free copies of The Elements of Style and Woe is I for everyone! Behold the foot soldiers of the glorious Democratic Party! Oh mighty State – hear my grudges, feed my grievances, feed me, clothe me, employ me, educate me, raise my children, care for me in sickness, OWN ME!!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  620. Vote Obama! Free copies of The Elements of Style and Woe is I for everyone!

    LOLOL

    Oh mighty State – hear my grudges, feed my grievances, feed me, clothe me, employ me, educate me, raise my children, care for me in sickness, OWN ME!!

    Yep yep yep.

    Let slavery reign! /radical leftist

    no one you know (1f5ddb)


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