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10/2/2008

Warm Up Your Cringing Muscles and Then Watch This

Filed under: 2008 Election — Patterico @ 6:51 am



Tonight is an absolutely critical moment for Sarah Palin. She had better do better than this:

A couple of those clips depend on selective editing, but you can’t blame it all on editing. And they didn’t even include the deer-in-the-headlights answer on Supreme Court cases.

I was a big supporter of Sarah Palin’s before her nomination. But I’ve become increasingly disenchanted with her candidacy, and you’re looking at why. She has to do way, way better than this. And I hate to say it, but it’s not stupidity we’re looking at. It’s just bad bullshitting.

The American people have a good bullshit detector. Let’s see absolutely none tonight.

From Palin, that is. We already know that Joe Biden is going to bullshit us, and say about a dozen utterly stupid things. He’s Joe Biden. That’s what he does, and the media gives him a pass, every time.

We can’t give him a pass — but we can’t give our own candidate a pass, either.

170 Responses to “Warm Up Your Cringing Muscles and Then Watch This”

  1. Unfortunately, I think you are dead on. I hope she’s been low balling herself but I honestly can’t understand what the McCain camp thinks it is doing. It offers access to big interviews and not small, and just seems determined to shoot itself in the foot.

    Dr T (69c4b2)

  2. Too Many Handlers.

    Let Sarah be Sarah!

    AOracle (0e000d)

  3. Fantastic editing! Let’s make Sarah look as bad as we can. And that’s exactly what the MSM is doing with great gusto and zeal like we haven’t seen since Dan Qualee. OBiden claims FDR was president during the 1929 Stock market crash and that FDR went of TV to talk to the American People after the Stock Market crash in 1929. Hello? Anybody here (in the MSM yeah you Katie Couric) know ANYTHING about U.S. History??? This just simply shows how stupid OBiden is and how far over-their-heads-in-the-tank the MSM is for OBiden. Tonight I’d like to see Sarah, not hit a home run, but rather hit base hit after base hit after base hit and slowly and methodically beat the living snot out of both OBiden and Ifill. Maybe throw in a double or two for good measure. She certainly will not be receiveing any “Softballs.” But she can smack hit after hit after hit if she’s herself and she attacks OBiden’s weaknesses which are plentiful. My fellow Republicans, do not be discouraged by these recent (trumped-up) polls as this is just more of the MSM trying to get everyone to believe that McCain hasn’t a chance. Sure your going to get great numbers for OBiden when you poll 60% Dems! Go Cubs Go! And Go Sarah Go! Take the fight right to them and be relentless!

    J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3)

  4. Sarah Palin’s job is to keep the base together. Let her be herself is exactly right. Let her enunciate her conservative principles candidly and honestly. The only people she needs to score points with are the people who will never vote for Obama but might not bother to get up to go vote for McCain either.

    nk (5335a4)

  5. I think letting Sarah be Sarah is exactly how the networks got the footage of her stumbling and bumbling through such hardball questions such as ‘what magazines have you read?’

    Norm (3d65f9)

  6. The McCain campaign forced her to work with GWBush’s speech advisors and to parrot McCain talking points she doesn’t always agree with. Is it any shock she started sounding like GWBush? Fortunately Steve Schmidt put the kibosh on that over the weekend.

    Ian S. (5a1287)

  7. The American people have a good bullshit detector.

    The trends towards Obama in opinion polling these past two weeks indicate otherwise.

    Other than that, I agree with your take.

    Good Lt (51111a)

  8. Wow J, drink the koolaid much? She’s not ready. Forget the experience needed to BE vice president she doesn’t have the experience needed to RUN for vice president. These aren’t hard questions and she’s not answering them well.

    Also, and this is just a hunch, but the people that want to “see sarah be sarah” are never going to vote for Obama. Having her throw red meat to the base isn’t going to get them any new votes. And wouldn’t it be nice if someone who states that their independence is what made her a good pick for VP would stand up to her handlers?

    joe (8253d3)

  9. I understand why the attention is focused on Palin. What glares out to me is the juvenile job that Couric does and assinine attitude of Gibson. If I were either of them I would try to destroy the interviews out of professional embarrassment.

    krmoller (c98b58)

  10. I’m a big Palin fan and wish her all the best tonight. What I do not understand is the difference between Palin’s great media performance before her pick as Veep and her stumbling afterwards. I have no idea what the McCain people have been doing to her, but it’s been ruining a potentially lethal asset.

    I have great confidence in this woman and want to see her go far. So get us some of the old governor Palin. And let her rip on Rezko, Ayers, Democratic support for cheap housing loans, etc. She can kill with a smile.

    Love4Sarah (8f73a5)

  11. The nut of the problem is that her basic politics are different than McCain’s. I believe she is lost searching for “what would McCain’s answer be?” when she should be just saying what SHE believes. What Supreme Court decisions would she change? Well, hmmmm… which ones did/do John oppose? After all, if she says something that disagrees with McCain, that’s a gotcha that will immediately be attacked. Her answer, somewhere in this pile of steaming …., about drilling in ANWR… she supports it. When it was pointed out that McCain did not, she gave the easy, correct and truthful answer of “I’m working on him”.

    She just needs to stop trying to be McCain.

    CC

    CapedConservative (56e1c1)

  12. They could do the same editing of Biden’s gaffes, and the clip would last 4.76 days.

    JD (f7900a)

  13. You have to go back and watch her from before she was a VP. Check out the oil and gas issues interviews with Glen Beck from July.

    She’s simply a generalist. She might drop one fact, like the size of land needed to drill in ANWR and then the entire rest of the answer is general principles. It works because, as she told Halcro, Palin knows inherently that knowing and spouting all those facts don’t help you lead or decide issues better. 80% approval is proof of it.

    The difference in those interviews and these, is that because the issues are new to her and in many cases are McCain’s position not her own, she’s less confident in her own gut the positions she is taking, and less able to project or openly challenge how useless all those facts and examples really are toward communicating her position.

    Vern (ca9451)

  14. Your comments on Sarah Palin’s interviews seem over the top even for you. Polished bull shitters are the norm for the beltway insiders as you point out. I do not agree with your remark indicating her comments were bad bull shit.

    Zim (ecff53)

  15. The difference between Biden’s bullshit and Palin’s bullshit seems to me to be this: When Biden bullshits, I think he believes what he’s saying. I may still be thinking “God, what a bunch of bullcrap” but I don’t doubt he is throwing his full weight behind this load of crap he’s serving up.

    Palin on the other hand, bullshits by saying nothing. She’ll repeat the same damn catchphrase three times, she’ll stare glassy-eyed off into space, and she’ll smile. And you know that she’s trying to get you to give her a pass because you think she’s pretty and likeable.

    In other words, Palin’s bullshit feels like she’s really trying to avoid answering the question, knowing that you won’t like her real answer; whereas Biden’s bullshit is just him sincerely being wrong.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  16. “The American people have a good bullshit detector.”

    Really? Then how do you explain the Messiahs lead in the polls?

    MargSim (94f9ee)

  17. And, she is prolly being a racist too …

    JD (f7900a)

  18. If Americans have such a good bullshit detector, how did Obama/Biden get this far?

    Chris (b34465)

  19. These aren’t just gaffes, and the questions are not “pop” questions. I honestly believe she has paid no attention to, nor read any books on, foreign relations or policy issues, global history, history of terrorism, etc. It’s one thing to have conservative principles, and to be a “regular gal.” But shouldn’t she at least show a real curiosity and understanding of such fundamental things as these?

    ES (126adb)

  20. Patterico,
    I’ll give you much credit and a hats off to you for being objective and candid.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  21. Patterico – move away from the Kathleen Parker Lava Lamp!!!!

    Sniff the fact that soo many peole care may be due to the fact she’s going to kick some couffered butt today

    Hey, she’s only the governor of one of thee most important and the largest state in the union defeating one of Americas most powerful political families and defeating a strong democrat challenger all on two blue collar salaries and while raising a family and has a sons serving us and so she doesn’t do very well with gothcha questions but neither did this guy

    This has to be the worst campaign answer ever even Fred Barnes tries to help in out and actually has to finish his statement

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlfOoZD1bE&feature=related
    Listen to the speech then listen to the question and the halting and vague somewhat stupid answer

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ombuI4k24Eg

    EricPWJohnson (c00a5d)

  22. “Lacking curiosity” is the new buzzword for “stupid”. As I sit here, before my first cup of coffee, I can’t name a single Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I’m not curious about who they are but I know everything about them I need to know right now and if I need to know more I know how to find out. So does Sarah Palin.

    SurferDoc (c8eeeb)

  23. If Americans have such a good bullshit detector, how did Obama/Biden get this far?

    Comment by Chris — 10/2/2008 @ 7:57 am

    The word was “Americans”… you are confusing them with Democrats.

    CC

    CapedConservative (56e1c1)

  24. I honestly believe she has paid no attention to, nor read any books on, foreign relations or policy issues, global history, history of terrorism, etc

    I honestly believe that you are just pulling shit out of your bunghole.

    Lacking curiosity is the Leftist phrase that means someone that does not subscribe to their warped worldview. In encompasses lack of enlightenment, racism, stoopidity, etc …

    JD (f7900a)

  25. Really? Then how do you explain the Messiahs lead in the polls?

    Exactly. If the BS detector was anywhere near as good as the host suggests, BO would be way behind.

    But the American people do like to pick winners, and when one side is committed to their candidate, inexperienced neophyte that he may be, while the other side is tearing down the #2 on their ticket, which horse do you think they’re going to bet on?

    thirteen28 (fb294d)

  26. As a life long Obama supporter I want to thank you for doing our job for us. It is with great glee that I see the conservative elites eat their own. Thank you. Once Obama gets in office from your good works I’m sure he will enrich you by passing the fairness doctrine on the web as well as over the radio and tv. thanks again. You are the man. I like how you are “honest” We practice “honesty” also. We just do the “honest” posts on our enemies not our friends. Again thank you.

    unseen (f8f32d)

  27. If there was a good BS detector to be found, Baracky would not be a candidate for President, Biden would have walked away from politics after plagarizing someone else’s life story, Edwards and Kerry would have never been close to the White House, algore would be the butt of jokes from both sides of the aisle, and Michael Moore would be homeless and living in 8 refridgerator boxes.

    JD (f7900a)

  28. The fact that the video you’ve chosen to use is from Talking Points Memo tells people all they need to know. You obviously see yourself as one of the “realists” who aren’t afraid to criticize your own, but the truth is, you bought into the false narrative and you’re just doing the democrats work for them. I’m sure you’ll give yourself a big pat on the back for it though. After the election is over, people will look back and see who spent their time going after Republicans and who spent their time going after democrats and the “realists” are going to find their careers in the dumpster. But not to worry, you “realists” will still be able to make a living doing the Dixie Chick routine (whining about those evil conservatives taking away your free speech).

    Steve (a7f028)

  29. Suppose that Gov Palin answered, well I read the NY Times and National Review. Next questions.
    What did you think about Tom Friedman’s November 15, 2006 article on the Iraq War? Well Sarah, everyone was talking about his stunning analysis of the situation. Do you really read the NY Times Sarah, or do you just look at the pictures?

    eaglewingz08 (98291e)

  30. Not the best debate answers, and I agree she must do better, but as VDH has noted there is a bizzare double standard in this race. Biden can spout the most ridiculous bullshit and not be called on it. Palin is pillared. Victor Davis Hanson on Palin v. Biden

    Joe (8102a5)

  31. Patterico – move away from the Kathleen Parker Lava Lamp!!!!

    Sniff the fact that soo many peole care may be due to the fact she’s going to kick some couffered butt today

    Hey, she’s only the governor of one of thee most important and the largest state in the union defeating one of Americas most powerful political families and defeating a strong democrat challenger all on two blue collar salaries and while raising a family and has a sons serving us and so she doesn’t do very well with gothcha questions but neither did this guy – go to youtube and watch Reaqan totally get lost and vague and backtrack and on and on and on

    This has to be the worst campaign answer ever even Fred Barnes tries to help in out and actually has to finish his statement

    EricPWJohnson (c00a5d)

  32. “As a life long Obama supporter”
    Oh don’t sell the Savior’s power short. I’m sure you were supporting him when you were still a fetus.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  33. Comment by Jack Klompus

    True it was only after he allowed me to be born that his greatness really came thru. I mean out of all the babies that he has allowed to be murdered he allowed me to live. I owe him my very life.

    unseen (f8f32d)

  34. In other words, Palin’s bullshit feels like she’s really trying to avoid answering the question,

    Phil, once again believing in his own very special ginormous pile of horseshit. Keep eating those road apples, Phil – you’ll only grow more ignorant as time marches on.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  35. ” But shouldn’t she at least show a real curiosity and understanding of such fundamental things as these?” Comment by ES — 10/2/2008 @ 8:01 am

    Yes, I’d feel much better about Gov. Sarah Palin if she had a Harvard education in foreign affairs, just like the rest of the Bozo’s who have gotten the USA into foreign policy “difficulties” since 1961.

    C. Norris (bddeba)

  36. 34

    “To Freakin che” buddy

    c.. norris hits it out of the park

    EricPWJohnson (c00a5d)

  37. 34. “The Best and the Brightest” by Halberstam comes to mind.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  38. Emboldened by C. Norris’ poignant views

    Maybe its time for the village idiots to run the show

    The best financial minds on Wall Street thought it was a good idea to loan 1/2 millions to Walmart greeters

    The best military minds have us developing a billion dollar fighter that can’t bomb anything

    The best the politicians can come up with in a crisis is my wallet

    maybe its time – because all that smoothness is making me cringe

    EricPWJohnson (c00a5d)

  39. 37, Eric, you are either a Democrat tool or a misinformed fool.

    From Carter to Clinton to the Dodd and Frank, the Democrats have been legislating and pressuring the financial institutions to make subprime loans to people who can’t afford them. That is the complete problem. If jokes like you can’t see that and be honest about it, there is no use in discussing anything with YOU!

    PCD (1df2b5)

  40. It gets down to this. Do you want someone who’s green with a strong political record of reform? Or do you want a Socialist with countless radical ties in the top spot? Obama can’t hold a candle to McCain on how to lead a global America. His supposed strengths in domestic ideas are all smoke & mirrors. (see: Beliefs and Voting Record)

    Would’ve much preferred a comparison on recent Palin interviews v. debates as Governor.

    But this morning’s post shows one thing.

    No matter what corruption, what truth, what bias or gaffes, Obiden supporters have his back. You couldn’t ask them to care about the gravity of “Truth Squads.” Or Obama’s ties to William Ayers, the Annenberg heist or closer to home, the Fannie Freddie mess. Massive mortgage-money pocketed by Obama pushed him to the the #2 spot with only 4 years’ under his belt. I’m afraid we’ll get to enjoy a real I told you so in the worst possible way should this cretin hit * the White House.

    * not with bombs. But don’t rule it out. Ayers isn’t happy with the short list of buildings he blasted.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  41. …believe she is lost searching for “what would McCain’s answer be?” when she should be just saying what SHE believes.

    Regardless of the video clip, I too have thought this the more I watch her. Its a bit like watching someone continually attempting to reinvent themselves on the spot. Just stop already. Cut the BS, stop trying to guess what McCain would answer, and tell us what YOU think.

    Dana (b4a26c)

  42. I’m torn between dismay at the genuinely poor responses to questions and nausea at the obvious differences in the way she’s being handled vs. Sen. Biden and Sen. “I’ve answered like, eight questions” Obama.

    Does anyone honestly believe that anyone who reads this site couldn’t come up with 6-8 Perfectly Relevant Questions that Obama wouldn’t be able to answer?

    DrSteve (a50ba8)

  43. “And I hate to say it, but it’s not stupidity we’re looking at. It’s just bad bullshitting.”

    I agree it is not stupidity and I agree it is bad bullshitting.

    But most importantly it is ignorance. (lack of knowledge)

    jharp (2282bb)

  44. I’ve been wittholding judgment on Gov. Palin until I hear more from her. But the Supreme Court decisions answer was truly horrible, and stuff like this is making it increasingly difficult for me to approach tonight’s debate with an open mind.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  45. STFU, harpy.

    But most importantly it is ignorance. (lack of knowledge)

    It is easy to see yourself reflected in others, huh?

    JD (f7900a)

  46. I honestly believe that you are just pulling shit out of your bunghole. Lacking curiosity is the Leftist phrase…

    I’m surprised I’m attacked and being called a leftist, for one simple comment. I’ve always voted Republican, I’m an avid hunter (I even hunt Moose), I own many guns, spent years in Alaska as a logger, come from a blue collar Marine family, and my father faught on Iwo. Just for raising an observation now I’m extracting from my bunghole and being called a Leftist? What gives here?

    I’m serious. Why does that make me a leftist? My only point is that those were not hard questions, and I think anyone who has an interest in world events and has read any books on the topic could have answered them. My duck hunting partners and I seem to have more to say on these topics than her, just sitting in our blind.

    And no, I’m not saying she has to have a Harvard degree. I’m just saying she has to show that she’s given some serious thought to these matters. My son in law is an active duty Marine, and I expect our leaders who will be making decisions about deploying him to be able to articulate their world view. Why am I a bunghole leftist for that?

    ES (126adb)

  47. Palin is smarter about Supreme Court cases and Justices than a Harvard Law grad who was mentored by Larry Tribe, for a simple reason: Obama said Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a great justice, and voted against Roberts and Alito. Palin would never be that wrong. That “smart” elitist Ginsburg voted against our 2nd and 5th amendment rights, and wants to slice and dice the Constitution six ways to Sunday. OBAMA WANTS MORE LIKE HER ON SCOTUS.

    It’s really simple. Obama is wrong, fundamentally wrong, on the basic question of protecting our rights and our Constitution.

    Palin on Gibson gave an answer that the elites guffawed over, her ‘simplistic’ view of the greatness of our country:
    “believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That, in my world view, is a grand — the grand plan.”

    It’s very simple: A Palin American rights-centered worldview or an Obama socialist steeped in leftwing ideology worldview.

    It’s not about how smart you are, it’s about NOT holding on to the false ideologies that just aint so.

    Travis Monitor (483b36)

  48. PCD

    Nope WRONG – listen to whom I’M DEFENDING –

    Sorry if I was unclear – I was refering to the mantra that all republicans including Reagan are the village idiots

    bout time we let them run things

    And for all those out there “but Eric the Republicans have been in charge”

    Really? When – when did the Senate get 60 votes?

    When did Daschle even let us debate using every minority party trick in the book – followed by Reed

    And if Bush wanted funds for Iraq and homeland security he had to accept smaller tax cuts and bigger budgets

    thus endeth the kndergarten political lesson for the day

    EricPWJohnson (c00a5d)

  49. I frankly do not care if you are on the Left or the Right. You made an incredibly overbroad statement about a sitting Governor because you do not like the answers she has given to juvenile reporters.

    I honestly believe she has paid no attention to, nor read any books on, foreign relations or policy issues, global history, history of terrorism, etc

    Maybe you are comfortable with making statements like that. I am quite certain she will not call on the US to invade Pockeestawn.

    JD (f7900a)

  50. “you do not like the answers she has given to juvenile reporters”

    But those are all I have to go on. I’ve watched her Alaska debates, I’ve searched for other policy statements, and I can’t find anything else on her foreign policy views. Hopefully tonight she’ll convince me. If you can send me other sources about how she views our role in the world, I’ll check the out, thanks.

    ES (126adb)

  51. THE BIG OBAMEDIA DISTRACTION GAME. WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?

    Why are we focussed on the minutae of the media’s successful attempt to Quayle-ize Palin, via selective fact-exposition and selective grilling and editing, when the BIG story is how Obama’s bamaboozling campaign has succeeded…

    Why isn’t Obama getting the thorough vetting and grilling that Palin was forced through, why is the Obamedia still protecting Obama by failing to tell the truth about him …
    on Wright, on Ayers, on his Fannie Mae friends, on his leftwing community activist suit that forced banks to relax lending (a cause of the current crisis). They should ask Obama why does he lie and call a welfare payment a tax cut in his bogus and dishonest statement that “95% get a tax cut” (no, they get a check from the Govt, we used to call that “WELFARE” and we used to call that Marxist redistribution of wealth and ‘bread and circuses’)?

    Why did he vote against the born alive victims of abortion getting legal protection? Why cant he admit he was wrong on the surge? Is he really as stubborn as BUsh? What was his biggest mistake aside from his 130 ‘present’ votes and 6 ‘wrong’ votes in ill state senate? Does he disavow his dishonest and disgraceful ’email’ smear against McCain? How does he jibe his votes for higher taxes this session? Does “change” mean that the status quo Pelosi/Reid Congress has failed and if not what are the proudest achievements of this current Congress in his view? How would he rate the Pelosi/Reid Congresses handling of Iraq and the Pelosi/Reid Congress handling of the economy – good, bad?

    Why did he vote for $700 billion for wall st bailout but is for increasing taxes on small business owners? Why does he lie and say hes against gay marriage then tells gay special interest groups he is for gay marriage? Why did he lie about his relationship with William Ayers the terrorist, he claimed he barely knew the guy but THEY WORKED TOGETHER TO SPEND $100 MILLION on a program to increase leftwing indoctrination into schools?

    He spent 20 years in a church that preached and believed in Black Liberation Theology? Does he himself subscribe to black liberation theology and if not, what was he doing in that church for 20 years? In March, said he would never disavow the Rev Wright, a man he know for 20 years, then only 6 weeks later he did just that. is that flip-flop a sign of inconsistency? The man Obama called his mentor, Rev Wright himself, says it was political expediency, was he right?

    Mr Obama: What other parts of your campaign have been acts of political expediency like that? Cna we conclude that ALL of it has been one big act and that we cant trust a single word you say? If not, why not?

    Travis Monitor (483b36)

  52. ES – Maybe I was a bit harsh. I am prone to do that. The idea that she is not intellectual curious just because you do not like her answers is the apex of idiocy though. I am sure that as Mayor, she took some very bold foreign policy initiative, and as Governor, I am sure that she was out negotiating treaties with the North Koreans. She has no foreign policy experience. Zero. Zip. Nada. There is nothing to suggest that any of her positions have needed same. However, you go much further and suggest that she has no curiosity, has never read anything on foreign policy, terrorism, etc … which is precisely what I objected to.

    JD (f7900a)

  53. I’m sorry, but this woman is just not qualified to BE or RUN FOR Vice President. I am voting for McCain because Obama is scary and unqualified. I was very excited when Palin was first chosen, and I loved her convention speech. Since that moment, though, it’s been straight downhill. She really sounds like she has no idea what’s going on, on any of the important issues of the day, with the possible exception of energy or provincial Alaskan stuff. She is not qualified, period. Not even close. Really, we should not have to cringe and feel stomach muscles tightening just because the intended VP is answering a question like “What do you read” and so on. She is an embarrassment. In the very literal sense of feeling embarrassed for and by her.

    andy (466845)

  54. ES – The incurious part is what really bothered me. That is the same thing that the Left always says about anyone that they do not agree with. They do it to everyone, not just political figures. Witness the ever growing number of simple drive-by trolls who always come and claim that the people that frequent here get their news in a bubble, do not expose themselves to alternative viewpoints, etc … It is boilerplate Leftist dogma. I applaud your conservatism. Kudos. But, that does not mean I have to agree with you.

    JD (f7900a)

  55. ES – Can you point to a pack of sitting governors not making plans to run for national office who sit around making grand pronouncements about foreign affairs, at least ones who aren’t Democrats as an example. Why would you expect to see a lot of such pronouncements from her?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  56. She certainly doesn’t look like she did at her speech at the convention.

    To be fair, Biden is used to spouting nonsense for years and getting away with it, at least in Delaware. (Whether he believes what he says or not, I don’t know).

    Obama likewise hit it big giving speeches where he was at his best, and when interviewed and asked hard questions like, “Who is Bill Ayers?” he gets away with a brief lie that is not followed up on at all.

    Meanwhile, John McCain who could point out the times he tried to improve oversight of fannie/freddy refrains from doing so.

    Obama has been running for the presidency for at least two years, he has not distinguished himself in either senate, such as not holding meetings of his subcommittee on NATO.

    Meanwhile, Palin has been governor and mom, taking care of daily real life. On top of all of that, she probably is all keyed up trying to not offend or make trouble for McCain.

    While all of that is true, it doesn’t do much to point it out in terms of forming opinion for those not inclined to like her.

    In fencing it is best to take on your opponent at his strength. If he is good at attacking, attack quickly yourself and don’t let him control the action. If your opponent is good defensively, you need to draw him into attack mode and defend yourself.

    I think it would have been better, for example, that when Couric asked about McCain’s record on regulation, she could/should have said, “Katie, you have followed John’s career closer than I have as I was busy being mayor then governor, and he is a far better source of that information and you should ask him. I will tell you how I’ve dealt with regulatory issues as governor and what John and I have discussed on the topic.”

    She is not nearly as good at saying things and not answering the question as Washington politicians.

    If “letting Sarah be Sarah” means getting back the person who is not interested impressing the NY-DC crowd but taking care of the people’s business, then I’m all for it.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  57. I’m sorry, but this man is just not qualified to BE or RUN FOR President. When you switch it around, it stings a little …

    Did Silky Pony get this kind of treatment? His only apparent qualifications were his flowing mane, and his ability to channel dead children.

    JD (f7900a)

  58. Focusing on Palin is a distraction. I’ll vote the top of the ticket. She’ll have time to make up for her current perceived inside politics shortcomings, but I like what she brings to the table.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  59. “Maybe its time for the village idiots to run the show.”
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 10/2/2008 @ 8:37 am

    They already have been! Ronald Reagan was not a Harvard East Coast intellectual, yet he untied the Gordian Knot of the post WWII world, the Soviet Union. And he did it intelligently by undermining the Soviet economy by purposely manipulating the gold and petroleum markets so the USSR could not afford an arms race. Then he started an arms race. They had to capitulate! Something that Harvard Economics would not have ever thought effective. But Reagan’s strategy was one that was well thought out while he was in the “wilderness”. So, what has the “Ivy League” crowd brought us these last 100 years? Nothing but world conflict and economic uncertainty.

    Who among us, that love country first before party, would not first choose Sarah Palin as president over Katie Couric, Diane Sawyer, Maureen Dowd or Pat Morrison. “But!”, the opposition would chide in; “They’re not running for president!” To which I must respond: “OH?!”

    Yes, those whom the East Coast Chic-Left consider to be America’s “Village Idiot’s” could do a better job than those with advanced degrees from the Kennedy School of Government. An oxymoron if ever there was one.

    C. Norris (bddeba)

  60. Voters of course have a right to consider qualifications, but they’re really not required to do so, or, more important, they’re not required to define them as theoretical scores on Poli Sci or Foreign Relations SATs. We seem to have reached the point where many even on the conservative right are accepting a technocratic definition of leadership, in particular of executive leadership.

    There is no single individual in the world who possesses a detailed, up-to-date, expert understanding of all of the foreign and domestic challenges our world-spanning, crisis-ridden Neo-Empire faces. Even on the issues of greatest importance, no President can act effectively without being re-briefed by people who are better-informed. The only real qualifications for the office are on the level of character. If we judge the Presiden’t character sufficient, the second set of questions are ideological: What is the candidate’s overall approach or set of goals? Expert knowledge falls a distant third.

    I’d much rather have an average citizen who possesses good character and conservative principles, but couldn’t locate Iran on a map, than Obama, Biden, or any of their top advisers making decisions. I’d rather have as President the guy on the corner who just put in a porch this Summer and decided against a new dog for his family at this time, than Richard Holbrooke, Susan Rice, or for that matter Condoleeza Rice, among many “qualified” experts. I’d rather have my honest neighbor picking Supreme Court Justices than Lawrence Tribe.

    And I’m kind of surprised that this isn’t more widely understood and accepted. Many of seem to have bought into a liberal/progressive technocratic worldview. Why not just have the UN appoint a panel of renowned international experts to run our foreign policy, and have the Yale and Harvard faculties choose our judges?

    CK MacLeod (d21947)

  61. “But those are all I have to go on.”

    There have been thorough expositions of the real Sarah Palin in some corners of the media, but the lamestream MSM will never want shared with you.

    Someone said: “What glares out to me is the juvenile job that Couric does and assinine attitude of Gibson.” Dittos on that. This was agenda-driven, not expositionary.

    Palin brings a lot of strengths to the McCain-Palin ticket, strengths based on her record in office in Alaska. So of course they will obsess over foreign policy, the one area where its MCCAIN who has the strength.

    Fact is, Palin has as much foreign policy experience today as Reagan in 1980, Clinton in 1992 and Carter in 1976. Maybe thats damning with faint praise, but them’s the breaks.

    Travis Monitor (483b36)

  62. Regarding the answer to the question about what OTHER Supreme Court cases she might disagree with, I think my answer would have been the same (except I happen to agree with Roe v. Wade). There are MANY Supreme Court cases with which I disagree, including a few in my area of the law (intellectual property). I have mentioned specific cases to friends and colleagues (eBay v. MercExchange still pisses me off, but I only remembered it in the midst of writing this comment) and I’ve mentioned the fact that I’ve disagreed with SCOTUS in this blog. Yet, while I watched the interview, none of those cases came to my mind. I thought her answer, essentially that there are many of us who will disagree with many of the decisions, was pretty sharp. In fact, I thought her answer to the Charlie Gibson Bush doctrine question was pretty sharp. “In what respect” being the right response to a really overbroad question. So, I do not think that her answer was bullshit. I do agree, that the answer could have been delivered better.

    Ira (28a423)

  63. Comment by CK MacLeod — 10/2/2008 @ 9:22 am

    Not merely a good post, but an outstanding post.

    Well done. Everybody read what CK wrote – then re-read it.

    thirteen28 (fb294d)

  64. Comment by Travis Monitor @ 9:10 am

    Best post on the topic. Because it’s true. It’s every slanted, horrific media-induced lie the public has had to stomache just so that MSObama could protect their dear Socialist racist black man.

    THE BIG OBAMEDIA DISTRACTION GAME. WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?

    “Why are we focussed on the minutae of the media’s successful attempt to Quayle-ize Palin, via selective fact-exposition and selective grilling and editing, when the BIG story is how Obama’s bamaboozling campaign has succeeded…

    Why isn’t Obama getting the thorough vetting and grilling that Palin was forced through, why is the Obamedia still protecting Obama by failing to tell the truth about him …
    on Wright, on Ayers, on his Fannie Mae friends, on his leftwing community activist suit that forced banks to relax lending (a cause of the current crisis). They should ask Obama why does he lie and call a welfare payment a tax cut in his bogus and dishonest statement that “95% get a tax cut” (no, they get a check from the Govt, we used to call that “WELFARE” and we used to call that Marxist redistribution of wealth and ‘bread and circuses’)?

    Why did he vote against the born alive victims of abortion getting legal protection? Why cant he admit he was wrong on the surge? Is he really as stubborn as BUsh? What was his biggest mistake aside from his 130 ‘present’ votes and 6 ‘wrong’ votes in ill state senate? Does he disavow his dishonest and disgraceful ‘email’ smear against McCain? How does he jibe his votes for higher taxes this session? Does “change” mean that the status quo Pelosi/Reid Congress has failed and if not what are the proudest achievements of this current Congress in his view? How would he rate the Pelosi/Reid Congresses handling of Iraq and the Pelosi/Reid Congress handling of the economy – good, bad?

    Why did he vote for $700 billion for wall st bailout but is for increasing taxes on small business owners? Why does he lie and say hes against gay marriage then tells gay special interest groups he is for gay marriage? Why did he lie about his relationship with William Ayers the terrorist, he claimed he barely knew the guy but THEY WORKED TOGETHER TO SPEND $100 MILLION on a program to increase leftwing indoctrination into schools?

    He spent 20 years in a church that preached and believed in Black Liberation Theology? Does he himself subscribe to black liberation theology and if not, what was he doing in that church for 20 years? In March, said he would never disavow the Rev Wright, a man he know for 20 years, then only 6 weeks later he did just that. is that flip-flop a sign of inconsistency? The man Obama called his mentor, Rev Wright himself, says it was political expediency, was he right?

    Mr Obama: What other parts of your campaign have been acts of political expediency like that? Cna we conclude that ALL of it has been one big act and that we cant trust a single word you say? If not, why not?” (posted @ 9:10 am)

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  65. JD, I am not arguing that she’s worse then Silky. He was a joke. Obama is a joke. Hillary is not a joke, but I disagree with all of her policies. Democrats have been running a stream of joke candidates for a long time. Let me say this, I have never voted for a Democrat in my lifetime. I’m a person who has been trying very, very hard to like McCain, and will 100 % definitely vote for him. But surely it is time to be honest about Sarah Palin. She impressed me at first, at the convention. Her story/narrative is powerful – the whole family mom, moose hunter, 2nd ammendment thing. That is all closely aligned with my political beliefs. But she is awful. She is barely coherent, stumbling through the most basic of questions. She appears incurious and barely informed on the most serious issues of the day. It has only gradually sunk into my neocortex that while I respect her hockey mom schtick, that it in itself is not a qualification for high national office. I know 10 year olds who can state instantly what they are reading and I can’t understand why she can’t say something like “Newsweek”. I know college students who can provide coherent, sensible answers on basic constitutional, political, ideological, and moral questions, and she seems utterly lost. I really don’t know whether she is dumb, stressed out, incurious, or perhaps smart but with a serious articulation problem, but the fact is, this woman cannot answer the most basic, simple questions without making me squirm with embarrassment for her. This is awful.

    I will still vote for McCain, but only to vote against Obama.

    I feel that the right wing blogs, which I read everyday and share all of my bedrock beliefs with, are stuffed with people trying to make lemonade out of this, or see it from an angle that looks more attractive, but that we all know deep down this Palin thing is a horrendous mess.

    Also, at first, I believed the MSM was out to destroy her and all these interviews were politically-driven “gotcha” jobs. I still kinda believe that, but the more I see these clips, the more I think: these reporters aren’t being that unfair; they are truly stunned at the inability of a VP candidate to provide a high-school or better answer to basic civics questions.

    Sorry for being so blunt about it. I still hope McCain wins.

    andy (466845)

  66. Thanks JD. I try and read conservative and liberal news sources and make my own opinion. WSJ through Wash Post, Hot Air through Huffington. “Incurious” is just what came to me – just a raw perception. When I talk to others on both sides, there just seems to be more awareness than she has displayed so far.

    Daleyrocks: When I lived in MN during the Iraqi invasion, Pawlenty and even Jesse Ventura seemed to be able to talk forever on those subjects, seemed well informed, and seemed to have travelled internationally. I’m not talking grand pronouncements, just being able to talk at all on the subject more than grand generalities devoid of historical context.

    I’m off to run my business…

    ES (126adb)

  67. I’d much rather have an average citizen who possesses good character and conservative principles, but couldn’t locate Iran on a map, than Obama, Biden, or any of their top advisers making decisions.

    Really? There is a valid concern that Iran will possess nuclear weapons within the next several months. Being able to build their own porch is not going to cut it with issues of this magnitude

    voiceofreason2 (590c85)

  68. Good Post Patterico,

    But believe it or not strategy wise, I think Palin was a good choice for McCAin. You all here are certain to disagree, but if it wasn’t for The Palin pick America would still be talking about how great The Democratic Convention was.

    If McCain had made a safe choice like a Romney or a Giuliani, America would still be talking about the DNC and Obama might be up about 10 or 15 points right now instead of a measly 5.

    Oiram (983921)

  69. Yes, really, vor2.
    Obama thought he was qualified to make a stand against the Iraqi invasion without access to any federal level briefing and then made further stands on the effort in Iraq when he could have briefings but didn’t bother.
    Having a person who at least realizes what they don’t know and plans on getting the information is to be preferred. But it sure doesn’t come across very well on the screen.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  70. ES – What’s the current Governor of Idaho saying on Russian aggression in the Caucusus? I haven’t been reading much about that lately.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  71. I can’t watch it. Can’t stand the dread of the inevitable coup de grace.

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  72. Comment by daleyrocks — 10/2/2008 @ 9:45 am

    Piling on…

    Can ES please tell us what is the policy of the Gov. of Washington State on International Fisheries Management?
    I, like MD, have been unable to find this info in my local media, in the second largest city of America.

    AOracle (0e000d)

  73. When Palin starts saying this – then I’ll worry about her qualifications:

    Obama: “…we’ holding assets long enough that eventually taxpayers get it back and that happened during the Great Depression when Roosevelt purchased a whole bunch of homes,”
    Obama is talking about the present bailout that will return a profit – only problem is that FDR never did such a thing.

    Biden, commenting this week on the Wall Street crisis, said we should learn from FDR. “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed.” FDR wasn’t president when the stock market crashed in 1929. And nobody had TVs back then.

    “I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” Biden said angrily. “They’re going to start peddling that to you.” “I got two, if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”

    Biden gaffes:
    http://obamasgaffes.blogspot.com/2008/09/2008-gaffe-team-obama-biden.html

    More Obama gaffes:
    http://no-bama.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-obama-gaffes.html

    Travis Monitor (483b36)

  74. Honestly, the whole “why couldn’t she say what she reads?” thing is pretty dumb. It’s another no-win situtation; no matter what answer she gives, somebody will be unhappy. If she says she reads any MSM publications, the follow-up would be, “Then why does your campaign constantly complain about the MSM being in Obama’s pocket, if you go to them for news?” It’s just a stupid question, and, frankly, I think Palin realized it, and deflected it with the exact amount of respect the question deserved: zero.

    Chris (6733a5)

  75. Really? There is a valid concern that Iran will possess nuclear weapons within the next several months. Being able to build their own porch is not going to cut it with issues of this magnitude

    Yet somehow the lack of experience of the Republican VP candidate is more important than the lack of experience of the Dems Presidential candidate. Given Biden’s record of being profoundly wrong, how is that experience supposed to count?

    As far as incurious goes, despite this standard claim about Baracky being an intellectual heavyweight, when one looks at his Legislative record, he has shown us nothing to confirm same. His positions on Iraq, all 84 of them, evolve depending on the audience. His grasp of foreign policy is soundbite and not-Bush driven. He claims to be post-partisan, new, hopey, and changey, but his politics are nothing but repackaged 60’s Leftism. And I am supposed to be worried about Palin?

    JD (f7900a)

  76. WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT FAN AND FRED: The Wall Street Journal rounds up some pre-meltdown quotes on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from the likes of Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and Charles Schumer. My favorite: “Rep. Frank: I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing.”

    Well, roll the dice we did . . . .

    Glenn Reynolds on Barney Quotes

    Joe (dcebbd)

  77. Really? There is a valid concern that Iran will possess nuclear weapons within the next several months. Being able to build their own porch is not going to cut it with issues of this magnitude

    Comment by voiceofreason2 — 10/2/2008 @ 9:31 am

    We don’t need to speculate about Iran. We had a perfect case study at the end of 2006 when things were deteriorating in Iraq, and the Iraq Study Group, as blue ribbon a group of experts as ever assembled, came up with a useless, mainly counterproductive exercise in how to cover our asses while ensuring epochal defeat. The guy on the corner with conservative principles understands that you don’t just give up in a fight when you’re tested, if you want to be able to look at yourself in the mirror the next morning and if you want anyone else to trust and respect you.

    Lee Hamilton and James Baker look across the table to each other and come up with the cleverest, most informed, politically least damaging justification for backing down and kicking the can down the road. My guy on the corner insists on finding out whether our plans for this “porch” were flawed, and if there’s a qualified contractor around who can fix it.

    CK MacLeod (d21947)

  78. I want Palin to fight, and she can fight, not BS, not be timid, but to fight. Those quotes above are a good place to start.

    She can also go through some of Biden’s gaffes.

    Joe (dcebbd)

  79. JD…
    Please denounce yourself for your Racist attacks (snark)…
    even though you have hit the bullseye dead-center!

    AOracle (0e000d)

  80. 1 Lawyers/Law Firms $98,597,946 77% 23% Barack Obama (D)
    3 Securities/Invest $51,518,351 66% 34% Barack Obama (D)

    Patterico, it really doesn’t matter whether McCain or Palin gaffe anything because their opponents are overwhelmingly supported by a bunch of fascistic Lawyers and rip-off Wallstreeters.

    There is no Justice in America the SOB Lawyers and Judges have seen to this, why don’t you do something about your tyrannical law profession instead of pointing out stupids gaffes.

    Go vote in California so your SOB Judges in your SOB Law profession can flush your votes right down the toilet.

    syn (186a64)

  81. 1 Lawyers/Law Firms $98,597,946 77% 23% Barack Obama (D)
    3 Securities/Invest $51,518,351 66% 34% Barack Obama (D)

    I want to point this out again the Bullshitters are giving twice the amount to Obama than McCain.

    SOB Lawyers…you suck the life out of everything!!

    syn (186a64)

  82. The MSM brutalization of Palin will go down in history as the most bias, aggressive attempt to dishonor and ruin a candidate in the history of politics.

    The left was scared shitless after her convention speech. The knives came out and started slashing everywhere.

    Consider a bizarro world and what would have been done to Obama if the MSM was bias right. Immediately after his 2004 conevention speech, it would have started. Instead of all the softball interviews, he too would have faced gotcha moment after gotcha moment.

    Obama knew squat during his early days of campaigning and had he been operating in a constant hostile environment, one where the MSM had been looking at every detail of his relationships with ASlinsky, Ayers, Wringt, Acorn, et al, he too would be so tight and paranoid and vulnerable to constant deer-in-the-headlights moments, thus making the word Obama into a slang word that means “fool, “tool”, you pick. Not to mention that habit of “you knows,” “umm,” “errs” and “ahhs”, would be a national subject of mockery, thereby intensifying the habit and pretty much further adding to both his image and identity of being the hopeless fool.

    Under those conditions, Obama’s gift of bulshitting would have been completely disarmed and Obama would simply have become bullshit…just as he has to those of us who never have experienced all the tingling.

    PC14 (ec0516)

  83. STFU, harpy.

    But most importantly it is ignorance. (lack of knowledge)

    It is easy to see yourself reflected in others, huh?

    Comment by JD — 10/2/2008 @ 8:56 am

    Thank you, JD. Always heartwarming to see a STFU followed by an insult.

    It does more to confirm the truthiness of my post than anything I could have done.

    It is appreciated.

    jharp (2282bb)

  84. I do not understand the hand wringing over what Sarah Palin has had to say in interviews. I know not about others, but I vote on character not information. Palin can learn information. Truman did and so did Reagan. This is really quite simple. If Ayers/Obama and Biden possess the character desired in a President and VP based upon their record, not what they say, but what they have done. Vote Democratic. If however you find the character of John McCain, who is no mystery to Americans, and Sarah Palin who will stand before us to be judged. Hopefully on character and accomplishment rather than how well she answers questions from a bias moderator. Noticed in the video, Sarah was not shown in the interview on Fox. I just watched Charlie Gibson question her on the bridge. She should have bitchslapped the stupid bias motherf##ker.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (620731)

  85. Comment by PC14 — 10/2/2008 @ 10:01 am

    “The left was scared shitless after her convention speech.”

    Can’t speak for everyone but I am one leftist who was thrilled with Palin as a choice and could easily see through her nonsensical speech.

    I guess you could say I was thrilled shitless after her speech. And I especially was thrilled when she began lying about the bridge to nowhere.

    jharp (2282bb)

  86. Joe Biden once said that paying more taxes is the patriotic thing to do.

    Michael Ejercito (a757fd)

  87. Palin has suffered from poor staff work. Dick Morris was on Hannity the other night talking about the coaching they did of Clinton in 1992. He had a couple of very good observations, scattered among the usual Morris BS. He said that it is important to give the candidate second and third answers to these media quiz questions. You answer the first question with a sound bite. The reporter/interviewer asks it a second time and you have to have a second sound bite. Clinton was good at this; Bush was lousy. Remember the question, in an early press conference, when someone asked him to name his biggest mistake ? He DIDN’T HAVE AN ANSWER. That was atrocious and it was poor coaching by his staff. I mean Bush could have said “Holding this press conference.” and gotten a laugh. He stood there and looked wooden.

    THOSE are the people coaching Palin.

    She has got to get out from under that bad prep work and get new people or wing it. She is far better at communication than Bush and why they would choose Bush people to prep her is a mystery.

    I disagree with Patrick. I think the McCain people have over-prepped her, as happened with Reagan’s first debate in 1984 when he looked confused.

    Mike K (155601)

  88. Syn, it’s own thing to point out that the “law industry” and Wall Street largely favor Obama in their political contributions, but it’s crossing a line to hold individual members of those groups for the groups’ biases — particularly ones who, like Patrick, are part of the non-Obama-supporting minority.

    It’s a little like blaming Kelsey Grammer or Patricia Heaton for “liberal Hollywood.” Or blaming Nino Scalia for the “liberal courts.”

    But then, don’t take it from me. I’m just another SOB lawyer.

    Mitch (890cbf)

  89. The MSM brutalization of Palin will go down in history as the most bias, aggressive attempt to dishonor and ruin a candidate in the history of politics.

    At least until 2012, PC14.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  90. Here is one item the fascist SOB Law profession is protecting:

    http://www.thenextright.com/soren-dayton/oh-sos-rejecting-election-observers-perfect-vehicle-for-election-fraud

    Voter Fraud, that what… your pals in the Law profession are protecting…Voter Fraud.

    SOBs focus on stupid gaffe crap while you ignore the Law fascists in profession.

    SOB Laywers…you’re National Lawyers Guild criminals!

    syn (186a64)

  91. It does more to confirm the truthiness of my post

    I mock and scorn because that is all you deserve. Frankly, it is better than you deserve. Now, run along and make fun of some more Down’s children.

    JD (f7900a)

  92. syn,

    I ditto Mitch. I’m no lawyer, I’m a doctor, and I have plenty negative to say about much of the law profession too, but this is not the place where it is needed. Other trees need the barking.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  93. If you think anything reported by the MSM is meaningful in any way, shape or form, you need to lay off the koolaid.

    Larry Sheldon (86b2e1)

  94. blaming McCain for turning Palin into a “fish out of water”
    http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/10/01/so-anchoress-what-do-you-think-of-palin-now/

    Vite (a78307)

  95. law industry

    Give me a few examples where the ‘Law industry’ has actually accomplished Justice.

    The National Lawyers Guild…you must know who they are?

    At least Kelsey Grammar and Particia Heaton take on Hollywood Establishment, same cannot be said about those in the ‘Law Industry’

    Like I said, there is no Justice in America the ‘law industry’ has seen to this.

    Now go vote in California so the judges can flush your vote down the toilet.

    syn (186a64)

  96. Syn, not allowing election monitors in a polling place is outrageous. Even if it’s not legally required, it should be the policy of the state, and were I a voter in Ohio (and were such things legal; I know not if they are), I would support a recall of the Secretary of State on that issue alone.

    And if the law doesn’t require it, the legislature should change the law.

    [For what it’s worth, i may or may not be a member of the NLG; I certainly get enough snail spam from them that I’m clearly on their mailing list, but I don’t know if that constitutes membership.]

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  97. . Frankly, it is better than you deserve. Now, run along and make fun of some more Down’s children.

    Comment by JD — 10/2/2008 @ 10:13 am

    And so you follow up with a lie.

    You’ve got nothing and your insults and lies only further confirm it.

    Thank you, kindly.

    jharp (2282bb)

  98. Comment by jharp — 10/2/2008 @ 10:20 am

    You used Trig to make a disparaging remark re his mother.
    That was out-of-bounds in polite, political discourse.
    Either say that you’re sorry, or go away.

    AOracle (0e000d)

  99. I disagree with Patrick. I think the McCain people have over-prepped her, as happened with Reagan’s first debate in 1984 when he looked confused.

    Exactly. For example, the Supreme Court stuff — she isn’t a lawyer like Biden, so she shouldn’t even try to give the fine legal analysis that Biden demonstrates so capably. (/sarcasm)

    Instead, she should give a layman’s response, such as:

    “The courts should not short-circuit political discussions before consensus has been reached. If Roe had never happened, there would be no abortion controversy today because the issue would have long since settled. I find it hilarious that my opponent and others on the Judiciary committee call Roe ‘settled law’. If it was ‘settled’ they wouldn’t be grilling nominees on the subject. Roe was a bald-faced lie by the majority of the court — the Constitution doesn’t speak to the issue — and it should be returned to the States.

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  100. “And if the law doesn’t require it, the legislature should change the law.”

    Right, this is how it is suppose to work however any time something is legislated which does not fit the fascist plan then the judges (ie Democrat, Republican, Independent party affiliation regardless) come along to flush the law down the toilet.

    The Law Industry is a far bigger problem than a Palin gaffe.

    Now go vote in California so the judges can flush your vote down the toilet.

    syn (186a64)

  101. Regardless. All the best to each tonight. (Gwen Ifill has a book coming out, dintcha know?)

    On a similar note, here’s a very funny piece from

    Victor Davis Hanson.

    Journalists continue to ask, “What was John McCain thinking in selecting the gaffe-prone Gov. Sarah Palin?”

    In what has now become a disturbing pattern, the Alaska governor seems either unable or unwilling to avoid embarrassing statements that are often as untrue as they are outrageous. Recently, for example, in an exclusive interview with news anchor Katie Couric, Palin gushed, “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’ ” Apparently the former Alaskan beauty queen failed to realize that in 1929 there was neither widespread television nor was Franklin Roosevelt even President.

    Sometimes the Idaho-native Palin seems to confuse and embarrass her own running mate. Shortly after her nomination, she introduced a “John McAmerica;” then she referred to the Republican ticket as the “Palin-McCain administration;” and finished by calling Sen. Obama, “Senator George Obama.” The Palin gaffes seem to be endless: on her way to Washington to meet the national press corps, Palin, the mother of five, once again stumbled — this time characterizing Senator Biden as “Congressman Joe Biden,” who, she chuckled, was “good looking.”

    More . . .

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  102. Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 10/2/2008 @ 10:32 am

    Your great satire will fly right over the heads of the usual suspects.

    AOracle (0e000d)

  103. One last item, there are so many Lawyers who are politicians in the Democratic Party that serving Justice and Law is the last thing the Law Industry has any interest in serving.

    How in the hell can the corrupt politicans be removed when these same corrut politicians are overwhelming protected by the ‘Law Industry”?

    By the way Hollywood is just an idle, meaningless entertainment indsutry, Justice is not on the line if it is dominated by fascistic entertainers…the Law Industry, on the other hand, is the only industry which is suppose to stand for Law and Justice yet the only thing this industry seems to accomplish these days is serving, protecting and defending the fascist.

    How in the hell are the American people suppose to have Justice if the Law Industry does not represent Justice.

    syn (186a64)

  104. “You used Trig to make a disparaging remark re his mother.”

    So which is it “that I made fun of a Trig” or I made a disparaging remark about his mother.

    The way I see it I complimented Trig. And I have a personal relationship with three downs sufferers and consider them the most kind hearted sweetest people that I know.

    I would never consider insulting or disparaging any of them. They are my very dear friends.

    It just so happens that I believe they could answer Katie Couric’s questions better than Governor Palin.

    jharp (2282bb)

  105. Ruh roh. Governor Palin had better hit a five run homer tonight.

    The latest Quinnipiac polls show Obama crossing the 50 percent threshold in all three of those states:

    Florida: 51 – 43

    Ohio: 50 – 42

    Pennsylvania: 54 – 39

    jharp (2282bb)

  106. “I’ve become increasingly disenchanted with [Sarah Palin’s] candidacy…”

    You must have been reading this:
    Sarah Biden

    George (d57b1d)

  107. jharp. It’s like if someone wrote that Trig is smarter than you. It would be obvious, but would it be courteous?

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  108. Comment by AOracle @ 10:36 am

    True. It’s sad that blogs such as this one aren’t covering it.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  109. jharp. It’s like if someone wrote that Trig is smarter than you. It would be obvious, but would it be courteous?

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 10/2/2008 @ 10:43 am

    So now you are using Trig to disparage me. Huh? Kind of like I was just criticized for doing.

    The wingnut mind works in very strange and unpredictable ways.

    jharp (2282bb)

  110. Comment by jharp — 10/2/2008 @ 10:38 am

    I re-iterate:
    First Rule of Campaigns
    Spouses and the children of candidates are off-limits, unless they have inserted themselves into the campaign by conducting events, and giving speeches.
    Trig has done neither!

    AOracle (0e000d)

  111. To those who are talking about polls, you might want to check this out:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/10/02/cooking-ap-polls-radically-changes-party-mix-fabricate-obama-trend

    JannyMae (5a34b9)

  112. Your party, the party of diversity and tolerance destroys women: Ferraro, Hillary, Palin and Cindy McCain. Lewinsky, Flowers. Whoever got in the way of the power agenda.

    So leave the children out. There are bigger inconsistencies you have on the DuNCe ticket.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  113. The media is going to decide this election. I’m a McCain/Palin supporter but even I can see the one sided view that’s going to cause John McCain this election and it’s sad!

    The man deserves to be the President and he is clearly the better choice but unfortunately we the (conservatives) are the minority.

    The USA is not the USA it once was. It never will be unless we take back our Country. The only way to do so is by brute force in a second revolution.

    Tony (9474e3)

  114. Comment by JD — 10/2/2008 @ 9:51 am

    The subject is Palin. Saying “But Obama…” doesn’t change the observation. They both have thin resumes irt international affairs.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  115. The wingnut mind works in very strange and unpredictable ways.
    Comment by jharp — 10/2/2008 @ 10:50 am

    It’s called “human decency”. How your own drunkard Stalinist pig-mind works, OTOH, is still a complete mystery.

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  116. You all need to sit down, take a deep breath, and change your underwear if needed. These are pregame jitters and nerves, nothing more. DO NOT PANIC. Let the lady do her thing.

    Roborob 2000 (86d8d1)

  117. Roborob, tell it to harptard. He only gets to change his underwear when the DNC steward at the shelter gets around to bringing it to him.

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  118. Racists

    JD (f7900a)

  119. So what would happen if Palin did okay, or even a little better than okay, in tonight’s debate? First of all, relative to prevailing expectations, it would be a triumph. The story would be how well Palin did, which could get people thinking maybe they had underestimated her, which could imply maybe they had underestimated McCain. Given the attention this matchup will receive, that might even be enough to nudge the momentum back their way.

    Huff Puff asks, what if?

    Joe (dcebbd)

  120. Comment by voiceofreason2 — 10/2/2008 @ 11:08 am

    Yes, but it is the President who appoints the SecState and Ambassadors, not the V-P.
    It is the President who receives, and discusses with, the leaders of other countries, not the V-P.

    If we are choosing a CEO for the USA based only on executive experience, Sarah Palin would be the only logical choice among the four offered.

    AOracle (0e000d)

  121. Sarah has to admit: she isn’t used to being in the network media spotlight.

    For goodness sake, she has a RECORD of success when it comes to conservative causes.

    Not being immediately comfortable with being in the “hot seat” isn’t a sin, it is something she’ll get used to.

    Bob (940949)

  122. I think she just needs to say what she really thinks – she may have gotten some advice that’s hurting her. For example – on the “what do you read” question; she might’ve liked to say “The Bible”. But the handlers have probably warned her to avoid seeming like an Evangelical.

    Unfortunately, “handlers” are just as out of touch with normal people as the MSM and the libs are. So she should just say what she thinks, if folks say “but McCain’s position is different” well, she’s not a clone, she’s allowed her own opinions.

    MattD (2a75aa)

  123. Speaking of gaffes, how about this one? At least he’s not running for VP. All he is doing is determining if we have an economy in January.

    And they think Palin is a problem.

    Mike K (155601)

  124. Comment by AOracle — 10/2/2008 @ 11:29 am

    You are missing the point. It is not the specifics as to what is on her resume. It is her ability to show she can perform as the POTUS if called upon. Recall 9-11 and what the country needed; not a dissertation on global terror but a confidence that the person in charge was up to the task. Like it or not if she comes across in the debate as she did with Couric THAT is what the voters will be thinking about – not her ability to memorize the names of all the world leaders.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  125. Though 2006 was nice I haven’t had this much fun since Clinton spanked Dole in 96.

    My prediction. Palin is her usual embarrassing and ignorant self.

    And the snake handlers still give her unconditional support. All 20% of them.

    And McCain bailed out of Michigan today!

    Whhheeeeee! And Obama has a THIRTY FIVE point lead on intrade! Dam this is good!

    jharp (2282bb)

  126. Comment by voiceofreason2 — 10/2/2008 @ 12:02 pm

    We don’t know if Obama can “perform as the POTUS”; and yet, he’s the one who has been nominated to be President of the United States, the one who has to be “there” on 20 Jan 09.

    And, if we are relying on Katie Couric to vet Presidential candidates, what hard questions has she asked to “The One”?

    AOracle (0e000d)

  127. Though 2006 was nice I haven’t had this much fun since Clinton spanked Dole in 96.
    – When you were working the streets as a shemale prostitute, no doubt.

    My prediction. Palin is her usual embarrassing and ignorant self.
    – No matter how hard she might try, she could never be as embarassing and ignorant as you are every day.

    And the snake handlers still give her unconditional support. All 20% of them.
    – Whereas your messiah has 100% of the child molester vote locked up.

    And McCain bailed out of Michigan today!
    – McCain’s giveups: 1 state. Obama’s giveups: over a dozen states and counting.

    Whhheeeeee! And Obama has a THIRTY FIVE point lead on intrade!
    – In a poll which is absolutely worthless.

    Dam this is good!
    No, that’s just your buttplug squirming out.

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  128. The real story here is why Barry wasn’t vetted. Not like a conservative woman, for god’s sake. Just like anyone… like a regular candidate.

    His baggage is thicker than his resume. Just crazy.

    Face it, bots. He’s a field-hand for the Chicago mob. If he does break in to the Oval Office, there will be favors on the way for his many unsavory pals. Yes rise to your feet, they’ll be suddenly ressurected from ‘neath the bus for a self-serving round of public service.

    And how will that indictment get deflected? What a weird position for this country. What a schemer. Race hustler.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  129. Comment by qdpsteve — 10/2/2008 @ 12:16 pm

    Icy has competition.

    AOracle (0e000d)

  130. Comment by qdpsteve — 10/2/2008 @ 12:16 pm

    Can’t describe the pleasure of seeing the wingnuts losing it and losing it large.

    It is so richly well deserved.

    And just a heads up steve. Michigan is what is known as a BATTLEGROUND (SWING) state. It is quite a different issue that Obama bailing out of one of the states of Redneckistan.

    jharp (2282bb)

  131. Comment by AOracle — 10/2/2008 @ 12:15 pm

    The issue is Palin. And because she has not convinced voters the Dems are happily letting that overshadow vetting of Obama. The GOP would do the same thing if the situation were reversed.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  132. ROTFLMAO. Michigan is so full of PUMAs (remember the Dem primary idiot?) that you’ll need at least triple your usual dosage of Thunderbird and cocaine just to live through election night.

    Not that a pig-brained idiot such as yourself can understand, but here’s your precious reality:
    – McCain is going to the White House.
    – Sarah Palin will be remembered fondly lovingly long after your grandchildren have, in old age, forgotten about all the times you threatened and molested them.
    – And you’re going to a richly deserved early grave.

    Live with it. Accept it. Get used to it.

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  133. Oh, and AOracle: thanks for the compliment.

    Icy and Dmac have been giving me lessons. And harptard’s been giving me ample opportunity to apply them. (So much material to work with…)

    😉

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  134. I’m going to say the same thing I said a week ago —

    The McCain camp picked her knowing that she was giong to be largely ill-prepared to answer questions on subjects that are beyond her experience as governor.

    They should NOT be afraid of her answering questions with variations of

    “As Governor of Alaska that is not an subject area that I had much exposure to. I’m working with experts on the staff of Sen. McCain and in the campaign to learn more about this issue, and I’m confident that if the need ever arose for me to make tough choices in this area I would get the very best advice available in the government and make the correct call using the common sense that all Americans possess by virtue of their life experiences.”

    Its not an ideal answer, but its better than trying to bullship your way through with a bunch of strung-together talking point generalities.

    Voters who are not already prediposed to vote against McCain will understand it and accept it better than they will understand being bullshitted.

    At the end of the day however, even if not enthralled with her, I’m not going to vote to put Obama in the White House out of fear that at some point in the future the need MIGHT arise for Palin to take over from McCain.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  135. Exact words.

    Charlie knew it because he read it on a lefty blog.

    Bel Aire (2fd7f7)

  136. “Icy and Dmac have been giving me lessons.”

    – qdpsteve

    I didn’t know you could teach that specific strain of stupid. I thought it was something you were born with.

    Leviticus (ab6dbd)

  137. Vern wrote: The difference in those interviews and these, is that because the issues are new to her and in many cases are McCain’s position not her own, she’s less confident in her own gut the positions she is taking, and less able to project or openly challenge how useless all those facts and examples really are toward communicating her position.

    I think this is closer to the truth than any other explanation proposed.

    A slight departure: It’s happened to everyone at least once: You meet someone who is so stunningly beautiful/handsome that time stands still. You can’t take your eyes off him/her. Your world changes; you see his/her face everywhere, and think about him/her all the time.

    But this becomes a barrier between you and that person, because you have in your own mind lifted him/her above you so far, you don’t deem yourself worthy. To approach the object of your affection, you need to humanize that person. His/her body isn’t really perfect, is it? Teeth? Voice? Size of nose? Bulges? Feet/toes? Facial hair? Something that will bring him/her closer to your level so that the idea of your being coupled doesn’t seem like The Impossible Dream.

    In the case of Sarah, in the post-convention euphoria, I felt myself becoming like the Obamabots in my adoration for Palin and everything she represented: a local-girl-makes-good story of rising from her local PTA to the Chief Executive of the nation’s largest state; pro-life in practice and not just theory; a fearless fighter of corruption even in her own party; out-manuevering the oil giants yet clearing the way for new sources of energy by getting the gas pipeline hammered out when her predecessors failed; someone who didn’t just talk about fiscal conservatism, but practiced it, all to the delight of her constituency. She sure sounded like Ronald Reagan’s ideological progeny. And…lookin’ fine while doing it.

    I had to check myself lest I become like them, swallowing talking points and extrapolating them into whichever policies I held dear without a shred of evidence. So what did I do? I reminded myself that she was the running mate — it’s McCain that would be President.

    That did it. I looked back on his campaign during the primaries, and how he played it up the middle against conservatives like Palin, and figured he might either distance himself from her or force VP nominee Palin to distance herself from Governor Palin. I realized, “He can still (ahem) foul this up.”

    I then watched as McCain overstretched the story about the Murkowski plane. I watched as he said on The View that Palin had rejected all earmarks (not true), and failed to smack down Whoopi Goldberg when she made her toxic remark about constructionist SCOTUS justices possibly making her a slave. I watched as the McCain campaign allowed the MSM to spread BS about Palin without the same vigorous challenge that the Obama camp musters every time someone mispronounces his name or dares utter his middle name.

    I watched as the woman who has been pilloried for ruthlessness by her conquered enemies in her home state was de-fanged, and her accomplishments and beliefs were de-emphasized in favor of repackaging her as a distaff Maverick, reflecting the attention on McCain instead of burnishing her own strengths (vital to building up the public’s confidence in her). I watched as she echoed his tone-deaf screeds against “greed” on Wall Street, his overemphasis on stopping earmarks, and noted his refusal to unleash Palin – the corruption fighter — on ripe targets like Chris Dodd and Charlie Rangel. I watched as a viral video did the job of educating the public about the root causes of the Fannie & Freddie bailout that the McCain campaign should have done itself.

    I’ve watched as whoever is advising her has fallen down on the job of fighting the personal smears and unfair criticism. Where are the zingers from the acceptance speech? I was promised a barracuda, and instead got Miss Congeniality.

    So now, my eyes are wide open, and while I still think she’s terrific, I am at no risk of mistaking her for a goddess. I’ve left that kind of delusion to the parents of the kids who sing hymns to Obama (I won’t get started on that). But I’m not throwing in the towel yet. I’m going to give Palin EVERY benefit of the doubt because the MSM will not.

    Look, anyone with a brain knows she’s not dumb. It’s possible to become Governor and be dumb, but nobody can get an 80%+ approval rating and be dumb (contrast this with Ivy League-educated Demobabe Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan, whose approval rating reached a new low of 37% in August and silver-spoon Nancy Pelosi’s Congress’ single-digit favorable). But that’s not enough in an America where there are an uncomfortably high number of morons (mostly liberals) that get their political news from the likes of David Letterman, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert. She’s got to win them over too. The McCain campaign underestimated the $#!+storm she would face, and hasn’t prepared her well enough.

    One last thing: If anyone ever asks you why “regular” people don’t get into politics, leaving the field to shysters, charlatans and used car salesmen, ask them if they were among those who believe Palin said she could see Russia from her house. If they say, “That’s true, isn’t it?” tell them, “You’re one of the reasons why.”

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  138. Someone’s cruisin’ for a bruisin’…

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  139. Bad bullshitting

    Almost every time I have seen clips of the woman talking in public since her debut boils down to that. Right down to her ‘in way of speech… we’re gettin’ ready to go smokin’ out those terrorists right after we get done fixin’ the old budget by golly!

    Does she talk that way to Alaskan legislators or is that just for us plebes so she seems “folksy” and “of the people”

    It’ll be interesting to see if she can get her bullshitting A-game on in the debate and if Biden can resist being a condescending pr.. uh.. jerk. Either way she wins.

    Of course no matter what happens if the questions go beyond “Hey Sarah, tell us about your values and how GREAT you think AMERICA is!” almost half the country is apparently going to wet itself over how unfair it is that someone who helps lead the federal government should probably know something about certain kinds of information…. at least the ones who haven’t wet themselves beforehand (see various comments above).

    EdWood (c2268a)

  140. “ROTFLMAO. Michigan is so full of PUMAs (remember the Dem primary idiot?)”

    What the hell is this supposed to mean? That McCain is pulling out because he has Michigan won?

    And you have the audacity to question someones intelligence?

    “- Sarah Palin will be remembered fondly lovingly long after your grandchildren have, in old age, forgotten about all the times you threatened and molested them.”

    And you somehow think a completely baseless accusation is witty. Get yourself some help. Obama will make a fine President.

    “- And you’re going to a richly deserved early grave.”

    What is this supposed to mean? Do you know something about my medical history that I don’t or am I supposed to take this as a threat?

    jharp (2282bb)

  141. Like John McCain says, Life is just not fair.. (Reaching for handkerchief….) :(

    love2008 (1b037c)

  142. Someone’s cruisin’ for a bruisin’…

    Comment by qdpsteve — 10/2/2008 @ 12:56 pm

    Seriously, Steve.

    Calm down and take it easy before you get yourself into some kind of trouble.

    It’s only a message board to share ideas and, yes, sometimes insults.

    I think someone could take a few of your remarks as threats and that is not a wise thing to do. As a matter of fact it is not wise to get even close to a threat.

    As a fellow human being I strongly advise you to tone it down. It’s for your own good.

    jharp (2282bb)

  143. Pat, I have to admire your honesty. Very hard to watch this. It’s insulting to everyone.

    Perhaps the extreme cold of Alaska deadens its’ inhabitants BS detecting equipment.

    Pure shameless golden rivers…

    Peter (e70d1c)

  144. harpy’s getting steamy under the silk.

    His mangina is wet.

    Next we’ll see the Top Ten Talking Points of the day.

    O!gasm!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  145. What the hell is this supposed to mean? That McCain is pulling out because he has Michigan won?
    How much do you see your messiah campaigning in California, except to pick up gobs of campaign cash from brain-dead, Che-worshipping celebs? Candidates usually place their assets (such as personal appearances) where they’re most likely to make a REAL difference.

    And you have the audacity to question someones intelligence?
    Yep. Specifically, yours. Although you have a point: it’s pointless to question what’s not there.

    And you somehow think a completely baseless accusation is witty. Get yourself some help. Obama will make a fine President.
    Get yourself back to the bottom of that bottle of Thunderbird. You’ve proven yourself again and again as the king of stupid, bigoted and baseless accusations.

    And if Obama should by some miracle of polling place bullying and voter fraud become president, the only way he’ll be able to redeem his presidency is by listening to people whose values are so far superior to yours that it’s not even funny.

    What is this supposed to mean? Do you know something about my medical history that I don’t or am I supposed to take this as a threat?
    Sometime, after you’ve taken a shower at the shelter, stumble into an old folks’ home sometime. Before the security personnel drag you away, note the lack of angry hyper-partisans and trolls. Maybe you’ll figure something out.

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  146. “How much do you see your messiah campaigning in California”

    Not one bit. He has the state won.

    Are you saying McCain has Michigan won? And this is the reason he is pulling out?

    jharp (2282bb)

  147. #145
    Is qdpsteve the new Icy Truth?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  148. jharp’s getting smarter.

    I honestly have no idea if McCain has it won or not. What I do know is that campaigns don’t concede significant battleground states without a damn good reason and a backup strategy. And much WAS made of the anger in Florida and Michigan during the DNC primary.

    Also, I’m happy to turn down the thermostat as soon as the trolls do. I’ve done it before. Ask David Ehrenstein if you don’t believe me.

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  149. lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalahahahahahahahahahahahahah screw yoy man.

    MCCAIN FOR THE WIN

    dudemanguypersonmale (f69283)

  150. I thought it was something you were born with.

    Awww, sounds like little Leviticus is getting himself all hot and bothered about the flack directed his way recently. Don’t go away angry now, it will all be better if you just wish it so.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  151. Dmac, my man, I knew you wouldn’t forsake me! 😉

    qdpsteve (64c4ed)

  152. “I honestly have no idea if McCain has it won or not.”

    Well then, I’ll tell you. He has lost Michigan.

    “What I do know is that campaigns don’t concede significant battleground states without a damn good reason”

    True. And the reason is because it’s a lost cause.

    “and a backup strategy.”

    Again, true. Time will tell how that goes.

    When’s it’s fourth and goal from your own twenty it’s time to for a hail mary. It almost never works. And that, my friend, is where McCain is.

    jharp (2282bb)

  153. “jharp’s getting smarter”

    If you believe that you’ll believe Jimmy Carter was a great President.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  154. Can it really be considered a spanking when Clinton did not even get 50% of the vote?

    We can add bigotry to jharpy’s endless list of unsavory characteristics. Snake handlers?

    It is a crying shame that the election is not today, huh harpy?

    Obama will make a fine President.

    So far, all we know about him is that he made a fine community organizer, and a fine friend to Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, and Tony Rezko. He has not actually spent enough time at being a Senator to make that kind of determination yet.

    As a fellow human being I strongly advise you to tone it down.

    Could this be what is referred to as a teachable moment?

    JD (f7900a)

  155. Comment by voiceofreason2 — 10/2/2008 @ 12:34 pm

    We’ve been transported into an Orwellian alternate reality, where the qualifications of the Vice-Presidential nominee of the GOP is a more important argueing point than the qualifications of the Presidential nominee of the Democrats.

    I thought this election was about who would be the next President of the United States?

    It demonstrates the depth of the BDS rampant withing the Left/Liberal community where they have thoroughly convinced themselves that Dick Cheney is Giapetto to George Bush’s Pinocchio; which I can only assume, that we have nothing to fear in an Obama Presidency since Slow-Joe will be the one pulling the strings.

    JD: I denounce myself!

    AOracle (791f4b)

  156. “They should NOT be afraid of her answering questions with variations of:

    “As Governor of Alaska……using the common sense that all Americans possess by virtue of their life experiences.”

    Comment by WLS — 10/2/2008 @ 12:47 pm

    Very well put, WLS. You should be on Palin’s campaign staff instead of the Ivy Leagues.

    C. Norris (bddeba)

  157. “As a fellow human being I strongly advise you to tone it down.”

    harpy – You have presented no proof that you are human. I believe you to be pond scum.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  158. That’s an insult to Pond scum – perhaps Plankton is a more apt analogy. Or the leavings of cow droppings.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  159. Anything that insults a Down Syndrome baby for political gain is pretty low. I could go with a lot of different descriptions.

    I’m easy that way.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  160. Anything that insults a Down Syndrome baby for political gain is pretty low. I could go with a lot of different descriptions.

    I’m easy that way.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/2/2008 @ 3:46 pm

    Don’t you mean anything that uses a Downs baby for political gain?

    Like Governor Palin has just done?

    jharp (2282bb)

  161. Oh, and by the way you cocksucking right wing fascists assholes.

    I happen to have a handicapped daughter.

    And if you need to ban me for my post you go right ahead and do so.

    I will not stand about listening to such utter nonsense when I have fought my ass off with the worst health care system in the world to have my daughters needs met.

    Again, just in case you missed my message. Go fuck yourself.

    jharp (2282bb)

  162. Aww, Harpy – don’t go away mad.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  163. I will not stand about listening to such utter nonsense when I have fought my ass off with the worst health care system in the world to have my daughters needs met.

    Move to Cuba. Or Canada.

    JD (f7900a)

  164. I will not stand about listening to such utter nonsense when I have fought my ass off with the worst health care system in the world to have my daughters needs met.

    Move to Cuba. Or Canada.

    Comment by JD — 10/2/2008 @ 6:18 pm

    You are quite mistaken, my friend.

    It is you, you, who can move to Cuba. Or Canada.

    Or better yet move to one of the theocracies that you crave America to become.

    I hear Iran or Afghanistan has a system you’d like.

    jharp (2282bb)

  165. Or better yet move to one of the theocracies that you crave America to become.

    Support this, or admit that you are a liar.

    JD (f7900a)

  166. the worst health care system in the world

    This is in the Top 5 of the most brain-poundingly stupid comments you have ever typed.

    JD (f7900a)

  167. “I will not stand about listening to such utter nonsense when I have fought my ass off with the worst health care system in the world to have my daughters needs met.”

    Blow it out your ass bullshitter. You couldn’t even defend that crap you posted about Canada and France or the U.K. a week or so ago. You ran away from the thread because you couldn’t back your shit up once again. You never can.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  168. “but you can’t blame it all on editing”

    Yes you can.

    davod (bce08f)

  169. Harpy is utterly clueless about the worst health care system in the world. I’m always hearing from moonbats of domestic and imported persuasion about just how much the US sucks in many areas, including healthcare. If it is really so bad, pray tell me why all these foreigners move here or come just for the timely and comprehensive medical care. Illegal aliens are taxpayer supported when it comes to their medical needs. I know a number of US citizens who don’t pay for health insurance or much of anything else and the government picks up the tab for their various tests, doctors and hospital stays. I don’t know how widespread it is, but various acquaintances not only get their meds free, they turn around and sell them to various junkies.
    Maybe someone who lives in Ireland, England or Canada will admit that those countries have big issues with rationing health care and/or long ass waits for tests and treatments? Yes, I’ve heard that France has top quality doctors. Can you imagine how the world and the domestic moonbats would react if senior citizens were croaking in the numbers they did in France due to lack of AC? That evil Bushitler is slaughtering oldsters to save on social security or some such nonsense. I recently read that thousands of prisoners were murdered in the aftermath of Katrina. You would think there would be an investigation.
    I urge Harpy to consider Zimbabwe or N. Korea as the kind of workers’ paradise he could revel in. Yes, I know fat ass Mikey Moore thinks Cuba is great and has medical care that puts US to shame, but how many of us would really go there for medical treatment? I’ll give Cuba credit for likely not tolerating the local crime we do and for its people generally not being obese due to the lack of adequate calories.

    Regarding experience: my local liberal friends won’t hear anything negative said about the magic negro. Besides, the world adores him.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  170. I will not stand about listening to such utter nonsense when I have fought my ass off with the worst health care system in the world to have my daughters needs met.

    Again, just in case you missed my message. Go fuck yourself.

    Comment by jharp

    I just noticed this. Aside from the ugly obscenity (common on the left. They think it is a punctuation mark), this is an ignorant remark.

    My personal preference is the French system, which incorporates fee-for-service, an important component we are losing in our efforts to control costs. For details, you can go here. The British who have emigrated to France, and they are a huge population, far prefer the French system and have become a problem for France as they are all trying to qualify for a system based on worker contributions. There is no reciprocity with the NHS. The Canadian system is modeled to some degree on the British, as it is tax supported, but keeps a semblance of fee-for-service, at least for GPs but fees are very low and Canada dropped the number of medical school places so it is increasingly filled with foreign grads, the ones who can’t get in here.

    Our health care system will have to be dealt with soon as it is too expensive and there are too many problems with people losing insurance. Still, the care is superior to anywhere else in the world, except possibly France and Germany. A major problem with our system is the illegal immigration population, which fills the County hospitals and clogs emergency rooms.

    Another major problem is the violent urban underclass. Neonatal mortality, which is often pointed to by critics, is almost entirely in this group.

    As I said, the comment was ignorant but maybe harp has trouble getting decent insurance on a minimum wage income. I agree that is a problem.

    Mike K (155601)


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