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The Sarcastic Dana (4d3ea0) — 9/29/2008 @ 7:25 pm

oops. gotta get back to the real me.

Dana (4d3ea0) — 9/29/2008 @ 7:26 pm

I repeat the question that I asked some weeks back:
Will “The One” be indicted before or after Jan 20?

Another Drew (2f938b) — 9/29/2008 @ 7:38 pm

Another Drew, maybe before. It looks like Rezko is cooperating with prosecutors.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/29/2008 @ 7:49 pm

AD, quite the optimist, aren’t you?

Dana (4d3ea0) — 9/29/2008 @ 7:49 pm

Thanks to Insty for bringing that quote to us, but what are we going to do about it?

Perhaps the readers of this site could brainstorm a workaround. I posted one earlier today to a Protein Wisdom thread and all I got was guff.

If anyone has any other workable plans and suggestions for what people should actually do, please post them before it’s too late.

24AheadDotCom (62c4c5) — 9/29/2008 @ 8:25 pm

Comment by Dana — 9/29/2008 @ 7:49 pm

I can’t imagine how thinking that a President-Elect would be the subject of an indictment could be anything other than a chilling thought about the viability of the body-politic.
The only optimistic part would be an indictment pre-inaugaral, rather than post-inaugaral.

AOracle (2f938b) — 9/29/2008 @ 8:41 pm

Questioning ZerObama is racism.
Racism is bad.
Racists will be sent to reeducation camp.
All hail ZerObama

Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 9/29/2008 @ 8:54 pm

The optimist comment was in response to the link demonstrating the MSM is overtly supporting Obama, and while we’ve known that all along it is most disheartening to hear confirmation. In light of that, only an optimist would actually see Obama possibly facing any sort of legal action – whether before or after – and if, elected.

Dana (4d3ea0) — 9/29/2008 @ 8:56 pm

I tracked down one of the MDs in that Obama ad attacking John McCain for having had melanoma. His name is Noah Croft and he is at Harbor-UCLA. I don’t care if the guy likes Obama but he lied about McCain’s prognosis in that ad. The statement was about someone with metastatic melanoma. McCain does not have metastatic melanoma. The guy should have a letter written to the ethics committee of every professional association he’s a member of. Of course, he is a dermatologist. We used to say derm was easy. If it was wet, dry it and, if it was dry, wet it. That’s dermatology treatment abbreviated.

I will be busy writing letters.

Mike K (2cf494) — 9/29/2008 @ 9:00 pm

Good for you, Mike K. It’s important that we have the courage to police our professions.

DRJ (c953ab) — 9/29/2008 @ 9:04 pm

This is news? The fix has been in for a long, long time.

The good news is that the MSM has been steadily losing influence. The bad news is that most of the blogs are openly partisan, so there is still nowhere to go for unbiased news.

Soothsayer (14eb1d) — 9/29/2008 @ 9:22 pm

You’re really incapable of taking responsibility for anything.

David Broder’s latest was called “McCain as the Alpha Male.”
Broder is called The Dean of Beltway journalism. Here’s the Smackdown. He made fool of himself.

I’ll admit that much of the press is embarrassed that the man they’ve spent so much time lionizing as a maverick has run such a grotesquely incompetent campaign; and that he gambled big -a very risky bet-on a running mate who can’t seem to string a coherent paragraph together on any subject important to the country. Palin is the object of pity at this point. But to you she’s still a hero. And you’ll blame anyone but yourselves, and your idols of the week.
It’s pathetic.

Readnek (105b91) — 9/29/2008 @ 9:35 pm

Cool. Readnek is getting more incoherent and hostile. The pressure is building.

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/29/2008 @ 9:41 pm

But to you she’s still a hero.

Readneck is still putting junky surface-stuff ahead of everything else.

Palin’s strengths (and never mind the pack of wolves who threw their bodies over Edwards, just to do the opposite in destroying Palin) – – her strengths show a party that told us what someone had actually accomplished, and the truth matches the message. She did take on a corrupt government, fight for reform, win her state’s Gubernatorial slot… and keep 85% approval. Really, hand it to the GOP: they said she’s not savvy and media-slick. That’s what makes Obama so bad. His particular evil is covered by good acting lessons. You could picture him on a soap opera, playing the town doctor who appears to be noble but is blackmailing and two-facing everyone by the third act.

Palin is being handled. The media-owned news cycle demands a media-smooth candidate and damn the truth. She’s not dumb, she has grit, she took on senior pols in a rough & tumble state… go ahead and hate her. The comedy shows and ‘news’ interviewers should really be on the Obama payroll. The hostile and petty trashing of women this election is unprecedented. Ferraro, Hillary, Palin and Cindy McCain. All picked on for having vaginas. Screw the dinosaur media. The Dems pick their victims according to political need (Coulter’s right about that). Could bite them in the butt come November.

Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 9/29/2008 @ 10:11 pm

#6,

“If anyone has any other workable plans and suggestions for what people should actually do,”

We’re going to put air in our tires. That’s what Obama said to do. And he does have his own Truth Squad.

Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 9/29/2008 @ 10:16 pm

VN, Palin intends to come out swinging. Seems she and the McCain camp are finally getting a clue. Even if the MSM is in the tank for O, she can still push back hitting hard and getting back into the place of control and yes, putting the media in their place. This is encouraging.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/In_reintroduction_Palin_to_do_more_interviews_and_tell_her_story.html

After the debate and talk radio hits, the plan is to find a way to let Palin be Palin, moving her away from the pre-fab talking points and letting the down-home daughter of Wasilla be herself.

“She wants to tell her story more, and people around her do, too,” added the source. “This is a governor very much on her toes, very much fed up with inaccuracies and fictions about her own life and career.”

To this end, Palin was far more aggressive in another interview with Couric today, this aide said.

Dana (4d3ea0) — 9/29/2008 @ 10:21 pm

he gambled big -a very risky bet-on a running mate who can’t seem to string a coherent paragraph together on any subject important to the country.

That reminds me of something FDR said on Laugh-In during the Cuban Missile Crisis…

Jim Treacher (592cb4) — 9/30/2008 @ 4:28 am

Quotes of the week. On attacking Pakistan to kill terrorists. “If that’s what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should,” Palin
“You don’t say that out loud,” McCain said. “If you have to do things, you do things.”

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 5:22 am

Don’t worry, guys, McCain still has the Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Kentucky and Tennessee votes locked up in the double digits. The white southerner vote isn’t so easily swayed by fawning media.

As I’ve always said, you guys can always count on the racists! They’ll laugh those “community activists” out of town!

phil (3b1633) — 9/30/2008 @ 5:54 am

#20
LOL!

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 6:07 am

phil & love, just casually smearing those who disagree with them politically. Something to remember next time one of them cries McCarthyism, profiling, etc.

Karl (1b4668) — 9/30/2008 @ 7:01 am

Oh relax, Karl, it’s not a smear, any more than saying the Democrats have the communist vote locked up (which they do) is a smear.

Phil (6d9f2f) — 9/30/2008 @ 7:23 am

““As I’ve always said, you guys can always count on the racists!
I live in Texas and my entire city is completely whole-hog for Obama, particularly in the well-to-do, white progressive enclaves. In fact the only people here I’ve heard speak of their support for McCain are Latino members of the military. So frankly, Phil, your lame stereotypes fall flat.

Jack Klompus (cf3660) — 9/30/2008 @ 7:39 am

So frankly, Phil, your lame stereotypes fall flat.

Klompus, show me how the white supremacist vote is leaning Obama this year, or the communist party is crying out for McCain, and I’ll agree that I’m dead wrong on this.

Phil (6d9f2f) — 9/30/2008 @ 7:56 am

Sure thing, Phil:

Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Sen. Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an Associated Press -Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks – many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.

Jim Treacher (592cb4) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:01 am

“As I’ve always said, you guys can always count on the racists!”

I thought Alcee Hastings was a Democrat, Phil.

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:03 am

Phil, I’m sure it makes you sleep better knowing you’ve got the intolerant religious bigots on your side, right?

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:06 am

…an in-the-tank media…

If, in 2004, the media was worth 15% to John Kerry (Evan Thomas, Newsweek),
has that margin increased in 2008?
And, by how much?
And, absent the media, what would the poll numbers actually be?

AOracle (7b9099) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:37 am

Another Drew, are you guys planning on Clinton redux. Jeez, I knew conservatives would re-discover fiscal responsibility, humble foreign policy, and Congressional oversight on January 22, 2009.

But, already calling for indictments?

You dudes just love democracy don’t you? “We lose, we indict” the new slogan for McCain ’08.

P.S. I can’t wait for possible 2012 nominee Sarah Palin to begin calling for various Executive branch officials to cooperate with investigations. The irony will be rich.

P.P.S. And, our descent toward the end of the Roman Republic continues apace. All we need are private armies and we can fight it out like 99 B.C.E.!

timb (a83d56) — 9/30/2008 @ 8:55 am

#29
When you begin to blame the media for your failures and not yourself, you are really losing. Not a good a sign.
Fact is, most Americans are not satisfied with the last 7 years of this administration. They want a change. John McCain does not represent that change any more than Michael Jackson is white. The alternate may not look so good, but it is different. Historically, when the economy gets this bad, the incumbent party pays the price. It’s that simple. The media has nothing to do with it.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:00 am

Love, that’s not true. 80 percent of the American people think the country’s on the wrong track because of the media!

timb (a83d56) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:02 am

Historically, when the economy gets this bad, the incumbent party pays the price.

So how bad is the economy, really?

Michael Ejercito (a757fd) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:04 am

News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks – many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.

So what was the point of that poll? Not to show that racists were flocking TO the Democrats, but to show that the Democrats were LOSING support becuase the racists weren’t impressed with Obama.

In other words, again, the racist vote is helping out Republicans.

Phil (6d9f2f) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:35 am

#33
So how bad is the economy, really?
I don’t know. Maybe you should ask John McCain. Oh right. He said ” The fundamentals of our economy are very strong.” And then retracted it later. So. Maybe you should tell me. Alien.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:42 am

Tell us the GDP for the last few quarters.

Michael Ejercito (a757fd) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:46 am

#32
Love, that’s not true. 80 percent of the American people think the country’s on the wrong track because of the media!
I want to assume that you are trying to be sarcastic, timb. Or maybe you should explain to me how the media had anything to do with (1) Iraq and the lie it turned out to be. (2) Hurricane Katrina and its poor handling. (3) The present financial debacle. To name a few.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:51 am

You assumed correctly about my sarcasm. My Rush Limbaugh listening father finally stopped saying the media was intentionally running down the economy to hurt Bush….that was nice.

Hey, Mike, while you’re peeping out those GDP numbers, pull the numbers for real wages and median income will ya? Thanks, because as excited as I am that hedge fund managers realized massive economic gains in the last quarter, I’m starting to get annoyed that I haven’t been the beneficiary of any of “trickle down.”

timb (a83d56) — 9/30/2008 @ 9:55 am

Phil wrote:

So what was the point of that poll? Not to show that racists were flocking TO the Democrats, but to show that the Democrats were LOSING support becuase the racists weren’t impressed with Obama.

In other words, again, the racist vote is helping out Republicans.

I dunno, Phil. Last time I checked, 90% of blacks were supporting Obama. Sounds kinda racist to me.

L.N. Smithee (d1de1b) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:08 am

#36
What is this? The last quarter April-June saw a good growth of 3.3. But that will be the highest this year. If we get up to 1.7 or 2.0, it would be a miracle at this rate. Maybe you should study more.Start here. Then check out this. Then tell me.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:10 am

#40

So we are not in a recession, and we are still creating real wealth.

Michael Ejercito (a757fd) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:19 am

Comment by love2008 — 9/30/2008 @ 10:10 am

The 2nd-quarter economic reports were revised in the last week to a growth rate of 2.8%.

By the end of the year, that number might look pretty good.

AOracle (7b9099) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:22 am

#41
So we are not in a recession, yet.. FTFY.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:24 am

Phil – So you are saying racist Democrats are voting Republican. How does that prove your point?

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:27 am

#44
No. He is saying, there is a possibility that most of the folks still voting Rep, with all its overwhelming negatives may be doing so because they are racist. You do believe that if the guy on the Democratic ticket was white, this race would have been over by now. McCain would not stand a chance.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 10:32 am

#17

Dana – thanks for the link. McCain has surprised me a couple of times now with very interesting strategy.

I believe the Republican party was honest about Palin’s accomplishments as Governor, the duties of the office and the fact that, unlike Barry, she’s not a trained actor. I’m comfortable and I wish her the best on Thursday. May the barracuda come out and show some teeth.

Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 9/30/2008 @ 12:15 pm

lovey @45 – That is not what he wrote @34. Please don’t twist my words or his.

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/30/2008 @ 12:29 pm

Speak for yourself, Daleyrocks. I did not twist any one’s words. Besides, if Phil felt so, he would have said so. I certainly didn’t twist your words either. Saying that is you trying to twist my words. So, stop twisting my words. WordTwister.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:03 pm

Lovey – I did speak for myself before you twisted my words.

daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:15 pm

According to Phil, all we want to do is kill, jail, torture, or oppress minorities. This thread should surprise nobody.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:19 pm

love,

So, looking into your crystal ball, if McCain was black and Obama was white, who would be winning?

And if you think the media did not create a lot of Katrina myths, you’re kidding yourself.

Karl (f07e38) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:25 pm

…if McCain was black and Obama was white, who would be winning?

Don’t make them think– heads will explode!!

Dana (b4a26c) — 9/30/2008 @ 1:27 pm

#49
Proof Daleyrocks. Show evidence that I twisted your words. Quote me.

love2008 (0c8c2c) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:05 pm

lovie – I am going to suggest to daleyrocks that you do not enter into this type of discussion in good faith. Go back and look where Stash and I have repeatedly asked to to correct your assertion that we had lied, to no avail.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 2:13 pm

#51
If McCain was black, he wouldn’t have been on the Republican ticket. This is not a favourable time for Reps to experiment. On the other hand, if Obama was white, with the wind favouring the Dems as it is now, he would have been double digits ahead of McCain by now.

love2008 (1b037c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:41 pm

If McCain was black, he wouldn’t have been on the Republican ticket.

Explain.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:42 pm

I agree, just for likely waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different reasons.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:43 pm

#55
However for Obama, his race has a double edged effect on him. He is winning because he is black, he is losing because he is black. His color is working for him and also against him. The trick is for him not to draw any attention to it. He should also avoid the temptation to pull that card.

love2008 (1b037c) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:47 pm

The trick is for him not to draw any attention to it.

Thanks, lovie. I just spewed Dr. Pepper all over my desk and monitor.

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 3:51 pm

#59
How is that working for you, JD?

love2008 (1b037c) — 9/30/2008 @ 4:01 pm

Well, seeing as how Baracky, the Dems, and the media are the only ones that continually make reference to his race …

JD (f7900a) — 9/30/2008 @ 4:02 pm

…and Saturday Night Live, that paragon of conservative values, even made reference to Obama pulling the race card…

Chris (95a123) — 9/30/2008 @ 4:03 pm

Obama got this far because people thought he was none racial. The first real post racial black candidate. No one really notices his color until maybe he mentions it. Or someone draws attention to it.
I also think those 90% blacks voting for him, just because he is black are racist. The same goes for those who won’t vote for him because he is black. He is vying to be the President of the United State of America. That would include blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians etc. The less they notice his color the better for him.

love2008 (1b037c) — 9/30/2008 @ 4:27 pm

The less they notice his color the better for him.

Oddly, I somewhat agree.

You should probably inform Barack of this.

Chris (95a123) — 9/30/2008 @ 4:31 pm

Some mainstream intelligent voices I would vote into office:

-Thomas Sowell
-Larry Elder
-Bill Cosby

Not Barack Obama. “It’s the resume, dummy!”

Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 9/30/2008 @ 5:35 pm

Thomas Sowell’s article about wealthy conservatives who left the GOP to endorse Obama.

Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 9/30/2008 @ 5:39 pm

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